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I prefer breakpoints to mess the code with (break)s for CL or printfs(for C/C++ code) 00:41:20 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-118-139-18-2.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 00:42:44 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.123.236] has joined #lisp 00:46:19 fourier: I usually just (trace foo :break t) and when I"m in the debugger, I can singlestep. I thought slime had some way of single stepping, but I can't find it now. 00:52:19 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 00:53:38 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:54:10 jingtao [~jingtaozf@117.79.232.155] has joined #lisp 00:54:22 Ahha, that is cool, I didn't read info about trace enough (actually I thought it is only for debugging recursive functions) 00:55:36 That's specific to cmucl and sbcl, but it is really cool. 00:56:02 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@vpn-137-041.rz.uni-augsburg.de] has quit [Quit: WTF? leaving!] 00:59:23 Ahha, that's enough for me (I'm using sbcl, and "lispworks personal" only for debugging actually, but tired to switch btw emacs and lispworks) 01:03:27 -!- tunes [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:05:41 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@75-101-62-95.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:11 -!- iwillig [~iwillig@ool-18b945c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:14 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:19 -!- rread [~rread@c-98-234-218-55.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rread] 01:08:40 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:50 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:01 Penten [~user@114.255.149.182] has joined #lisp 01:17:29 joe, is that you? 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C-c C-d h, if you have the right contrib loaded. slime-fancy probably loads it in. 02:19:46 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:15 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 02:22:23 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:12 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 02:24:44 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:58 what is the "#p" there ? 02:28:24 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.123.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:28:37 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:28:37 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 02:29:05 ah - pathname? 02:30:22 is there a way to query the current paths in *central-registry*? 02:30:45 *central-registry* 02:31:12 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.228] has joined #lisp 02:34:12 -!- pavelludiq 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zakwilson 13:22:36 hi 13:22:48 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:18 Posterdati: you already said that on 12:03. http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2001-06-14/ ? ;) 13:25:32 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.236.121] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:25:52 lol, well hi 13:26:46 that's a new one 13:29:32 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.228] has joined #lisp 13:30:43 mrSpec [~Spec@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:43 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:30:43 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:32:53 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:33:40 hydo [u1741@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ourgpgshbhxjgcgc] has joined #lisp 13:34:19 afa_ [u476@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ymllzgoxmjtxsbrx] has joined #lisp 13:34:25 -!- drunkk [~proba@cpe-67-244-127-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:08 I need to write docs for my little project: code remarks and user doc... Any hints? Thanks 13:36:24 pnq [~nick@ACA29CD9.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:50 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:37:50 Posterdati: use an text editor 13:39:13 the user documentation is nice at github - they offer a range of markup languages (eg. POD), and render that when viewed as HTML 13:39:13 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39:44 so perhaps it's sufficient to put a README. there, and have inline comments? 13:40:46 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:13 -!- X-Scale` [email@89.180.133.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:32 X-Scale` [email@2001:470:1f08:b3d::2] has joined #lisp 13:42:45 jingtao` [~jingtaozf@123.120.47.22] has joined #lisp 13:43:10 -!- X-Scale` is now known as X-Scale 13:43:29 Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:45:15 -!- splittist [~splittist@AMontsouris-553-1-71-237.w92-151.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: splittist] 13:45:45 Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 13:45:48 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S01060026f3e2a647.vc.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 13:45:51 -!- Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 13:46:05 -!- gravicappa 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[~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:48:58 I'm having some problems figuring out MOP 14:49:13 Here's a simplified test case that illustrates the issue: 14:49:17 http://paste.lisp.org/display/123024 14:49:25 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:49:47 Basically, extra fields on the slot class doesn't get populated the way I thought they would be 14:50:12 the last line of the test case shows the issue 14:50:31 youguy [~youguy@77.208.188.214] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:00:13 Bike [~Glossina@69-92-50-197.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:18 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:02 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-182-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:25 kpreid 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All 2D. What's the most popular (best?) library? 17:41:09 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:41:40 Xach has stuff to do that, and even uses it to make money. 17:42:48 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.83.65.63] has joined #lisp 17:43:20 Vecto??? 17:43:33 -!- redline6561_ [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:43:54 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:44:44 nothing for animations though 17:45:20 oh I guess gif animations 17:45:50 zort: I rather like the html5 canvas (: 17:46:24 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:46:41 -!- Vinnipeg [~zaytsev_k@PPPoE-78-29-123-248.san.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:26 lispbuilder-sdl? cl-opengl? depends on what you're trying to do 17:53:18 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h204n6c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53:52 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013c65.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:03 hi 17:56:43 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:28 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:57:48 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 17:58:14 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.83.65.63] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 17:58:21 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #lisp 17:59:29 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:55 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:06 pcavs_1 [~paul@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 18:02:50 -!- Pathin [~root@gladsheim.nullbytestudios.net] has quit [K-Lined] 18:02:54 -!- rexim [~rexim@91.204.184.177] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 18:02:59 To what extent does SBCL eliminate reduntant computations like those in this paste: http://pastebin.com/mSbSKTdW? 18:03:22 (lisppaste isn't working) 18:08:10 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:24 -!- nicdev [484a5525@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.74.85.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:48 -!- alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:14:00 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:14:26 alfa_y_omega [~alfa_y_om@90.166.231.220] has joined #lisp 18:16:03 -!- nannto__ [~nanto@pee5b70.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:20:14 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 18:20:57 zort: sdl seems like it might be close to what you mean. 18:21:23 cheier [~amedueces@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:09 sabalaba [~sabalaba@75-101-62-95.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:36 prxq: it has a basic dead code elimination analysis that'll deal fine with assignment-free code. Problem is, floats make a lot of things harder to simplify. 18:25:21 prxq: you can look at the disassembly for calls to exp. 18:26:20 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-153-153.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:27:18 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-218-70.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:28 -!- pcavs_1 [~paul@63.139.127.6] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:47 pcavs_1 [~paul@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 18:28:19 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-252.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:28:42 -!- Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:52 -!- hargettp_ [~hargettp_@dhcp-161.mirrorimage.net] has left #lisp 18:31:16 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA263F6.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:31:58 -!- confab [~seven@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:33:49 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:34:42 pnq [~nick@AC829F38.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:52 -!- rmarianski is now known as rmar|mtng 18:36:13 trigen` [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:08 am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.130] has joined #lisp 18:37:18 zfx [~zfx@host86-171-51-249.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:18 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-171-51-249.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:37:18 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 18:37:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:38:37 -!- zmv is now known as _wh 18:38:41 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-153-153.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:38:51 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:39:10 -!- _wh is now known as Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa 18:39:23 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-119-53.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:29 -!- Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa is now known as zmv 18:41:02 astalla [~astalla@dynamic-adsl-94-36-48-121.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 18:41:03 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-153-153.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:42:03 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:42:18 Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has joined #lisp 18:43:10 -!- sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:27 sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:43:50 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:44:39 hi 18:44:54 is there anyone involved in google summer of code? 18:44:55 Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has joined #lisp 18:46:33 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:47:30 Skitter [~Skitter@bzq-109-65-206-168.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:49 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@bzq-109-65-206-168.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:49:54 -!- cesarbp [~cbp@189.247.164.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:50:22 -!- zmv is now known as otherzmv 18:50:46 Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has joined #lisp 18:50:52 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-qqomrfsgxxbwmysl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:51:14 zmv [~user@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 18:51:36 pkhuong: I see - thanks. That's not dead code, btw, but simply redundant. 18:51:53 I think I'll write something myself. 18:51:55 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-99.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:52:17 prxq: redudant code, nope. 18:53:14 seangrove [~user@173-228-88-206.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:22 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:53:32 confab [~seven@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:17 Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has joined #lisp 18:55:41 pkhuong: ok 18:55:48 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:56:44 Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has joined #lisp 18:58:30 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-99.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58:38 -!- Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:59:38 azathoth99 [~gschuette@pool-74-111-197-135.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:43 hmm 18:59:48 -!- pcavs_1 [~paul@63.139.127.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:59:52 Skitter [~Skitter@109.65.206.168] has joined #lisp 19:00:01 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 19:00:01 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 19:00:01 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:00:05 pcavs_1 [~paul@63.139.127.6] has joined #lisp 19:00:12 is there an eqivalent to find shell command in common lisp? 19:01:29 what is find shell? 19:02:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-73-238.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: Human sleep mode activating...] 19:03:24 azathoth99: tjere 19:03:33 azathoth99: there's nothing like unix find in common lisp 19:04:18 azathoth99: there might be a library somewhere that does this 19:05:55 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@curio.mat.ucm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06:00 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7562db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:41 -!- pcavs_1 [~paul@63.139.127.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:07:17 osicat has a bunch of functions like walk-directory that would allow you to approximate find for some predicate. 19:10:21 xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:51 like I hate find size syntax 19:12:18 be nice to say find /var -type f -size 400M+ 19:12:25 or some such 19:12:41 find (shell command) prxq 19:12:50 ;) 19:13:56 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 19:14:09 cesarbp [~cbp@187.193.169.54] has joined #lisp 19:15:58 :-) 19:18:16 vhost- [~kyle@robodance.kyleterry.com] has joined #lisp 19:18:52 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-20-159.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:20:46 Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:21:30 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:30 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:22:00 rTypo [~alex@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #lisp 19:25:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:46 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.161.165] has joined #lisp 19:26:36 -!- cesarbp [~cbp@187.193.169.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:27:57 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:30:12 -!- Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.161.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:31:06 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 19:31:19 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:32:15 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 19:32:52 benny` [~benny@i577A3C20.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:33:10 -!- benny [~benny@i577A3D9E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:33:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:33:35 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-119-53.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 19:34:03 Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.161.165] has joined #lisp 19:36:20 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-119-53.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:44 -!- asynchrony [~user@adsl-184-42-13-228.dab.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:55 -!- sharkasgo3 is now known as sharkasgo2 19:38:23 xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:41 -!- sharkasgo2 is now known as sharkasgo9999 19:42:51 add^_ [~add^_^@h204n6c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:37 -!- sharkasgo9999 is now known as sharkasgo1776 19:44:44 -!- Cloud_ [~cbp@187.193.161.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:45:29 -!- sharkasgo1776 is now known as sharkasgo2000 19:46:36 razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has joined #lisp 19:47:18 -!- seangrove [~user@173-228-88-206.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:20 can (setf (symbol-value 'foo) 42) be used portably to set the value of a previously unbound variable in the global environment without declaring it special? 19:48:13 the Hyperspec says of (setf symbol-value): "Should signal unbound-variable if symbol is unbound and an attempt is made to read its value. (No such error is signaled on an attempt to write its value.)" 19:49:03 however, it doesn't specify what happens in the "write its value" case - it only says that no error is signaled. 19:49:24 seangrove [~user@173-228-88-206.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:14 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:16 fourier [~user@213.141.149.93] has joined #lisp 19:54:46 -!- serichsen [~user@hmbg-5f760a8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 19:58:20 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 20:02:54 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h204n6c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:03:58 ski_ [~slj@c83-254-21-112.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:04:43 Endiannes [~Endian@cdma-149-77-211.msk.skylink.ru] has joined #lisp 20:04:48 -!- Endiannes [~Endian@cdma-149-77-211.msk.skylink.ru] has left #lisp 20:07:06 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-99.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 20:07:06 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:09:25 add^_ [~add^_^@h199n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 20:12:47 -!- benny` is now known as benny 20:16:37 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h199n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:18:32 ocharles [u411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbffriurscsivsoo] has joined #lisp 20:18:39 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.0.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:19:23 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-148-233.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 20:19:43 Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:20:22 -!- msponge [~msponge@nat/google/x-hjxmxfimnndwkjdv] has quit [Quit: msponge] 20:23:26 -!- fourier [~user@213.141.149.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:23:48 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@66.201.54.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24:30 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-153-153.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:25:42 _schulte_ [~eschulte@66.201.54.34] has joined #lisp 20:27:28 -!- rTypo [~alex@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:28:03 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:55 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-148-233.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: anvandare] 20:31:59 anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-148-233.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 20:33:13 -!- Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:33:13 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:19 xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:44 youguy [~youguy@90.168.33.134] has joined #lisp 20:35:31 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@2620:0:2820:b03:214:22ff:fe45:5204] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 20:35:41 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-171-213.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:44 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.1.93] has joined #lisp 20:37:49 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-172-131.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:38:02 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:39:04 astalla: (setf symbol-value) doesn't declare the symbol special. 20:39:13 msponge [~msponge@nat/google/x-qnkajdjpmdnwcbyw] has joined #lisp 20:39:21 Therefore further bindings to that symbol will be lexical. 20:40:29 pjb: good. But... then why are global lexicals implemented with symbol macros? To me it appears a simple (setf symbol-value) would suffice. 20:40:46 surely I'm missing something. 20:43:09 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 20:43:51 astalla: how do you access the value? 20:43:56 is there a way in sbcl to access a fully optimizable version of sqrt (say) that signals an error when fed a negative value, like the wild type one would? 20:44:12 wild type == " the one found in the wild " 20:44:27 outside our our little walled eden :-) 20:44:44 pkhoung: like you access any other variable; simply by mentioning the symbol. 20:44:45 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-104.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:44:46 prxq: declare that the float isn't negative. 20:45:00 astalla: that won't work if you don't declare that variable special. 20:45:10 astalla: http://paste.lisp.org/display/123034 20:45:13 plus, it'll clash with dynamic bindings. 20:45:31 the access to *a* from the top level (second expression), is IMO non conforming. 20:45:55 pkhuong: ah... thanks 20:46:21 astalla: see 3.1.2.1.1, it doesn't specify anything else than lexical variables, special variables and constant variables. 20:46:34 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:44 pjb: ok. This is what my original question was really about. 20:46:47 Since *a* is not a special variable, there's no reason for the implementation to return (symbol-value '*a*) when you write *a*. 20:47:00 pkhuong: how do I do that? :-) 20:47:06 (but I'd bet most implementations will do just that). 20:47:18 -!- trigen` [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:44 prxq: . See the compound type specifier syntax. 20:47:48 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 20:47:58 You can also add a branch that tests for negativeness and does what you need it to do. 20:48:00 sure, just like most implicitly defvar a symbol if you setq it from the repl, but still it's not portable CL 20:49:32 pkhuong: isn't that less efficient than passing the number to raw sqrt and have it complain via an exception? The vast majority of cases, the number will be positive and the branch wasted. 20:49:39 -!- pnq [~nick@AC829F38.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:49:50 prxq: then the branch is nearly free. Especially compared to sqrt. 20:49:59 ok! 20:51:22 Or, again, you can add a type declaration. Depending on the optimization setting, that'll error out after a sign check or pass without checking to sqrt, and you'll likely get a silent NaN instead of a condition. 20:52:03 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-119-53.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 20:52:11 scratch that. You'll get a silent NaN on darwin and an exception on sane platforms. 20:52:29 I think I'll add a declaration and have the chip scream at me 20:52:33 astalla: however, such an access is described in the examples of symbol-value. 20:52:33 right 20:52:57 (sqrt (the (double-float 0.0d0) arg)) does the trick. 20:53:10 well, at least I don't get a million notes :-) 20:53:26 *prxq* .oO(code generation is nasty business) 20:53:46 pjb: actually, by reading 3.1.2.1.1, I would conclude that the second expression in your example is actually non conforming: "An error of type unbound-variable should be signaled if an unbound variable is referenced." 20:53:58 astalla: but it is bound! 20:54:04 only it has not been declared special. 20:54:18 therefore there is nothing in this section specifying how it should be interpreted. 20:54:50 However, there's a similar example (which doesn't belong formally to the specification) in symbol-value. 20:55:28 pjb: the example is tricky. a is accessed only after it has been declared locally special. 20:55:39 see 3.1.2.1.1.2 20:55:53 A variable is a dynamic variable if one of the following conditions hold: 20:55:56 It is locally declared or globally proclaimed special. 20:55:59 etc. 20:56:42 so I would conclude that in the symbol-value example a is a special variable only after (declare (special a)) is evaluated, not before, even if it's a local declaration. 20:56:51 Irrelevant. (setf (symbol-value '*a*) 42) doesn't proclaim anything and doesn't declare anything locally. 20:57:30 the local declarations are only valid in the lexical scope. All the examples, in symbol-value demonstrate that. 20:57:40 In fact, it does not establish any of the 3 types of variables, if my understanding is correct. 20:57:50 That's what I'm saying. 20:58:57 but then, *a* is not a variable, so accessing it should signal an unbound-variable error... 20:59:04 No. 20:59:13 It is implementation dependant. 20:59:26 And since (symbol-value '*a*) has been set it is not unbound. 20:59:55 Whatever the implementation does, it just cannot signal an unbound-variable error. That's the only thing the implementation must not do. 21:01:04 See clhs boundp and clhs symbol-value. 21:01:12 this means that (setf symbol-value) establishes a binding. 21:01:18 No. 21:01:34 prxq: sb-ext:truly-the if you really don't care about lying to the compiler. 21:01:36 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:34 pjb: if it doesn't, then you can't say *a* is bound after evaluating (setf (symbol-value '*a*) 42) 21:02:55 bound == has a binding 21:03:11 astalla: this is just wrong. 21:03:23 (let ((x 42)) #| x is bound |# (boundp 'x)) --> nil 21:03:35 binding and boundp are two different things. 21:03:46 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:04:05 (progn (setf (symbol-value '*a*) 42) (boundp '*a*)) --> t 21:04:19 but there is no lexical binding, no dynamic binding, and no constant binding. 21:04:20 pkhuong: good lead, thanks! I don't care about lying to the compiler because I expect the chip to catch any issues, and just be fast when there are none. At least in this narrow case. 21:04:36 astalla: this is just implementation dependant. 21:04:44 I said bound, not boundp. boundp ignores lexical bindings. 21:05:08 However on thig is not implementation dependant, is that (boundp '*a*) is true, therefore the implementation cannot signal an unbound-variable condition. 21:05:24 There's no lexical binding, so it's irrelevant. 21:05:51 imho, if that is true (and generally it is) then in those implementations (setf symbol-value) does establish a global binding 21:06:13 but it would be permissible if it didn't 21:06:36 anyway: I can't use it portably, that's all I wanted to know ;) 21:06:58 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-107-99.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:01 astalla: clhs says that boundp determines that the symbol HAS a VALUE in the global environment. Not that there is a global binding. 21:07:23 rTypo [~rTypo@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #lisp 21:07:26 foocraft_ [~ewanas@78.100.217.94] has joined #lisp 21:07:52 pkhuong: the declaration for expt seems a little harder. The declaration should be "EITHER the first argument is positive, OR the second argument is an integer in double-float clothes". 21:07:54 astalla: the definition of global variable doesn't match either *a*. 21:07:55 Rewolucjonista [~HAL@host86-164-119-199.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:08:15 -!- youguy [~youguy@90.168.33.134] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:08:48 pkhuong: does darwin disable fp exceptions? 21:08:55 astalla: this is just outside of the specification. That's all. 21:09:25 Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 21:09:37 If you use (setf symbol-value) without a (declaim (special *var*)), then you cannot use *var* to get the (symbol-value '*var*). 21:09:38 -!- _foocraft [~ewanas@178.152.77.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:09:54 -!- jweiss_ [~user@nat/redhat/x-pfugakdnvrlrlwoz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:09:59 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:01 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-107-99.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:10:23 pjb: I agree with your conclusion :) 21:10:32 prxq: I don't think any one does something with looks-like-integers powers. 21:10:52 prxq: Just declare the first argument as strictly positive. 21:11:07 xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:31 Phoodus [~foo@wsip-24-234-75-217.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:21 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:01 prxq: I'd expect everything to go through an exp-like series. 21:13:52 I wonder if I should use the ffi for that one 21:14:04 *prxq* thinks that's probably much slower 21:14:47 Cloud_ [~cbp@189.247.164.87] has joined #lisp 21:15:03 that's pretty much what we do anyway. 21:15:49 (sb-kernel:%pow, except on x86) 21:16:18 ah, pow 21:17:04 but that can be surprisingly slow if you don't care about awesome precision, especially in corner cases. 21:17:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:18:04 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 21:18:38 pkhuong: i see. 21:19:04 nixfreak [~Aaron.Mei@mailserver.dayport.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:09 pkhuong: that's weird. Doesn't x86_64 have a native pow operation? 21:19:26 Is there a way to parallel nodes together like erlang ? 21:19:30 I kinda hate firewalls n web servers 21:19:35 n perl 21:19:37 only in x87. And it's not clear that it's worth the trouble; glibc doesn't seem to think so. 21:19:41 well, glibm 21:20:03 HG` [~HG@p579F7CDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:43 pkhuong: how big is the FFI penalty? 21:21:13 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-71.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 21:22:06 -!- otherzmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:22:37 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:37 likely noise compared to the cost of pow. 21:22:43 -!- zmv [~user@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:03 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 21:23:14 ok, interesting. 21:24:12 You can measure it, but really, pow isn't cheap. If you really need it to be fast, you likely want to put to an simd routine that'll work on a bunch of 'em at a time. 21:24:16 *punt to 21:24:18 -!- iwillig [~iwillig@dyn-128-59-151-46.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:25:24 -!- Cloud_ is now known as cesarbp 21:26:20 -!- razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:21 -!- rmar|mtng [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:30:05 in sbcl, we have a large bytes-consed-between-gcs, and a large --dynamic-space-size, yet we're still seeing GC delays via (time) when only 1GB or so of memory has allocated 21:30:06 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:11 what else can trip a GC to start? 21:31:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-71.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:43 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 21:33:24 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:47 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:18 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:36:28 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:36:56 francogrex [~user@109.130.248.172] has joined #lisp 21:37:38 I see that sbcl has a long-float feature that can be enabled. The build does not go through, though. Is that work in progress or orphaned work? 21:38:19 it has once worked on x87. 21:38:51 Probably a ton of bugs by now, and certainly not a speed improvement. 21:39:38 it does not even build. 21:39:58 there you go. Aren't you on x86-64 anyway? 21:40:03 That's never going to work. 21:40:11 I became curious because I use oct (quad doubles) for something else 21:40:22 pkhuong: why? 21:40:26 x87 long floats aren't quads. 21:40:34 long floats are x87 80 bit floats 21:40:48 no, of course, octs are something else. Ah I see. 21:41:01 They might have worked with sparc's quads as well. 21:42:19 taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:29 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 21:47:24 -!- bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:49 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: zz] 21:48:24 bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has joined #lisp 21:49:14 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-99.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:49:59 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-99.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 21:52:36 -!- Bahman [~bahman@2.144.251.232] has quit [Quit: Farewell] 21:52:53 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@dancol.org] has left #lisp 21:54:08 otherzmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 21:56:51 *prxq* really enjoys programming in CL 21:58:00 -!- jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:53 after many years doing it, the joy about the fact that things mostly just work does not wear out. 22:00:21 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.108.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:00:44 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7CDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:46 :) 22:05:34 -!- ldh [~ldh@static-217-37.vpn.wisc.edu] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 22:07:19 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.248.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:48 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-20-159.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:10:35 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:11:30 -!- cheier [~amedueces@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:11:43 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-134-169.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12:18 -!- otherzmv is now known as zmv 22:14:03 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:16:23 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-218-70.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:53 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-20-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:29 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:54 good night 22:17:57 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013c65.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:58 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:07 Is there a way to do parallelism in Lisp ? 22:19:17 say clisp or SBCL 22:19:32 low-level threads, mutexes, etc are generally exported 22:20:05 there are some cross-platform libraries that can raise the abstraction level to messaging and such 22:22:27 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:28:48 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:03 realitygrill [~realitygr@38.104.194.118] has joined #lisp 22:30:31 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 22:36:20 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:37:02 -!- nixfreak [~Aaron.Mei@mailserver.dayport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:40:28 -!- Rewolucjonista [~HAL@host86-164-119-199.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 22:41:16 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has joined #lisp 22:42:41 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has quit [Client Quit] 22:42:50 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has joined #lisp 22:43:03 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-99.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43:51 Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has joined #lisp 22:43:55 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has quit [Client Quit] 22:44:26 naiv [~quassel@ARennes-652-1-4-177.w2-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:45:08 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:47:13 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!] 22:49:15 -!- Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:53:51 -!- astalla [~astalla@dynamic-adsl-94-36-48-121.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:54:48 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159933.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:55:19 If you mean threads, Bordeaux-threads works across lispworks, SBCL and CCL (and others; but I've tested those) 22:55:52 Multithreaded - Linux, use any of them. Win32/64, Lispworks/CCL, Mac: CCL or Lispworks 22:57:26 can the epoll kqueue things replace threads? 22:57:32 many webservers claim its fast 22:57:42 although I dont know if its as fast as threaded aolserver 22:57:47 <---dont know 22:57:56 cherokee is wiked fast web server 22:58:09 www.aolserver.com claims to be wicked fast too and is threaded 23:01:26 tpdeee2 23:01:29 claims epoll 23:01:39 I think antiweb too 23:01:49 I wish web broswer would nfs mount server 23:01:59 and then script updates to page as file moves 23:02:03 that seems ez 23:02:12 or openAFS 23:02:15 or something col 23:02:21 eddayyy [~etate@cpc2-slam5-2-0-cust373.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:02:26 anyone have thier own baldurs gate clone in cl? 23:02:31 love that game 23:02:35 and myth2 soulblgihter 23:02:40 :) 23:02:54 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:05 anyone thought about extending the meta-object protocol so that you can instantiate classes in a distributed fashion? 23:03:53 I guess you could just serialize classes and be happy? or am i missing something? 23:04:15 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@216.227.116.248] has joined #lisp 23:05:38 Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has joined #lisp 23:05:46 or go with proxies and some sort of RPC. Or just have more loosely coupled processes. 23:06:26 pkhuong: proxies? 23:06:54 pkhuong: what do you mean by loosely coupled processes also? :) 23:07:10 -!- msponge [~msponge@nat/google/x-qnkajdjpmdnwcbyw] has quit [Quit: msponge] 23:08:32 also, is saving an image a good way of saving persistent objects? 23:09:31 It's a simple Q&D way to do it. 23:09:51 www.prevayler.org I wish this was in lisp and maintained 23:10:31 azathoth99: like this you mean: ? http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-prevalence/ 23:10:33 eddayyy: otherwise it has a lot of inconvenient: to write a single persistent, you have to write megabytes or gygabytes of lisp image. Lisp images are highly dependent on the implementation, even recompiling your implementation from sources may render your old image unreadably by the new lisp. 23:11:25 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.1.93] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 23:11:29 pjb: ah, so pretty error prone approach 23:11:40 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:12:20 eddayyy: you can use it to save a repl state, eg if you need to reboot your supervisor, but otherwise it's not designed for persistence. 23:13:11 You could add a log file, and run the saving in a parallel process (but then you have difficulties with threads and open streams). 23:13:44 KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.226.147] has joined #lisp 23:14:36 pjb: have you written distributed systems in CL, what approach do you prefer for this? (sorry if the topics aren't the same) 23:14:59 No, sorry. 23:19:23 -!- felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:20:11 pnq [~nick@AC82BB6A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:20 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.5.117] has joined #lisp 23:24:07 -!- Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:28:46 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.194.68] has joined #lisp 23:29:52 mcox [~user@140.253.50.113] has joined #lisp 23:29:54 maintained? 23:30:14 http://beta.metacpan.org/module/Nginx::Engine could lisp copy such? made use fo the epoll thing? 23:30:19 kqueue 23:30:20 etc 23:30:21 wow 23:30:48 WOW http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-prevalence/ looks awesome 23:30:56 I wonder if can do it non oo 23:30:58 I hate oo 23:31:12 azathoth99: no, Lisp doesn't include an artificial intelligence as battery. You will have to copy it yourself. 23:31:23 Or implement an AI in Lisp to do it. 23:32:09 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:24 hm 23:33:29 ok hows about 23:33:37 makle lisp "mount" broswer 23:33:43 and move file info liek nfs? 23:33:48 then keep all in memeory 23:34:00 and when fiel updated, say with new user or purchase, update files on server 23:34:02 How about writing irc messages containing whole sentences? 23:34:03 aysnc 23:34:04 etc 23:34:07 done! 23:36:16 lisp has rpc? 23:36:21 maybe I can build from that 23:36:26 plan9 claimed 23:36:33 with hard defined set of rpc 23:36:37 azathoth99: read http://cliki.net/ 23:36:38 they built whole system 23:36:45 that site is meesy pukespew 23:36:55 have they ever head of html page is 1 screen idea 23:36:58 I hate scrolling 23:37:00 Better than your writing 23:37:07 html is genius sicne u can put detail on next page 23:37:24 network of interwoven pages 23:37:31 I am published author and best writer in usa 23:37:39 I am also genius 154 iq 23:37:48 and I am 6-6 and can psot mofuckers up nonstop 23:37:50 liek dirk 23:45:54 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:29 but enuf about me 23:46:43 we are here to discuuss intellectual mattters 23:49:38 lol 23:51:00 -!- bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:56:43 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.163.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:04 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.226.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:58:39 protestors take over brank of america branch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8z6DY0G5kc 23:59:33 lucky im not cop 23:59:38 im knida liek shoot first type 23:59:41 esp hippies