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seconds] 01:53:09 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:59:43 -!- li666w [~li666w@221.212.176.54] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:03:21 is there a format specifier for printing argument several times? 02:03:42 "a" -> "aaaa" 02:05:23 (format nil "~A~:*~A~:*~A~:*~A" "a") 02:05:48 nothing nicer? was hoping for something like ~4A 02:06:02 It's possible, IIRC, with ~{. 02:06:47 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:42 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:10:51 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:29 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-16-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:44 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:13:22 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:13:53 -!- macrocat [~marmalade@99.192.100.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:24 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:31 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@75-101-62-95.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:14:41 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-121-185.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:06 excelsior1979 [~excelsior@cpe-68-175-63-138.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:22:31 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:34 kennyd_: (format t "~4@{~A~:*~}~&" :foo) 02:22:35 I read "lisp is not an acceptable lisp" again - it was written in 2006. I wonder if the compatibility libs have improved a lot since then, it was surprisingly easy to port elaborate code between 3 implementations on 3 OSes. 02:22:49 ==> FOOFOOFOOFOO 02:23:20 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:24:52 Modius: that, or the author is a bit of a whiner. 02:25:07 Is Pascal Costanza ever on here/under some pseudonym? 02:25:10 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:26:49 The static nature of the CL spec is worth exploring. But the changes between Python/Ruby versions (esp Python's upcoming 3.0) are nontrivial. CLs seem to be converging and advancing via compatibility libraries. 02:27:12 I.e. to what degree is the spec missing threads an issue when Bordeaux-threads can settle out that part of the issue? 02:29:05 Knock on wood; but for all the issues of FFI compatibily, I've never needed to know or care what UFFI is hiding from me. 02:30:47 Well, Allegro's FFI is afaik easir to get running (as in time from "bunch of C headers" to "somewhat usable lisp interface") 02:31:37 I meant from the POV of a l ibrary-user, somehow I haven't had to deal wi thit. 02:31:52 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:32:37 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:37:33 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-98-113-194-183.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:39:36 mcspiff [~user@142.68.76.47] has joined #lisp 02:40:18 Whats the format for specializing keyword args in the lambda list for a defmethod? 02:40:46 mcspiff: there's none. 02:40:59 Write a wrapper. 02:41:18 (defun wrapper (mandatory &key key1 key2) (method mandatory key1 key2)) 02:41:57 ah that's a (slight) pain 02:44:17 somnium [~user@adsl-184-42-13-228.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:44:33 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:26 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:49:34 so... If one were in a mood to game with the shootout a bit, what else would you add to this list: bind henry spencer's (TCL's) regexp engine, bind to GMP, scoped allocation regions and SSE intrinsics. 02:53:32 razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has joined #lisp 02:53:36 hi 02:54:09 pkhuong: inline LAP? :D 02:55:24 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:56:06 guther [guther@newshell1.bshellz.net] has joined #lisp 02:56:17 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:30 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 02:56:40 vop-less inline asm, sure. 02:57:24 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:58:19 iwillig [~iwillig@ool-18b945c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:32 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.12.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:59 Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.12.207] has joined #lisp 03:05:27 jingtao [~jingtaozf@117.79.232.155] has joined #lisp 03:10:07 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:46 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:44 Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@i209-195-80-60.cia.com] has joined #lisp 03:11:45 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:12:35 -!- razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:00 Bobrobyn_ [~rsmith05@i209-195-80-60.cia.com] has joined #lisp 03:13:42 -!- Bobrobyn_ [~rsmith05@i209-195-80-60.cia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15:57 pkhuong: heh more people need to post stuff like your sbcl post 03:16:48 oGMo: hope it can get others to try and contribute. 03:16:56 -!- Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@i209-195-80-60.cia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:17:27 hopefully! 03:17:28 wislin [~user@118.122.165.4] has joined #lisp 03:18:54 Hi 03:20:29 How about chapter 27's database? I want a small database. 03:22:43 wislin: "small" is easy; the harder part is defining what you mean by "database" - hierarchical, relational, key-value store, what kind of update/insert/delete/query semantics etc. 03:23:54 You need to think about what questions you want to be able to answer with it. 03:23:56 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:30 Start with the questions; find a system to fit. 03:24:45 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:25:31 I only want store clos object, and query/instert some object. 03:25:56 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.12.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:19 Perhaps you just want something like cl-store to serialize/deserialize the in-memory structures. 03:28:27 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:29:47 Quadresce [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 03:30:12 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:31:03 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@117.79.232.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:31:33 wislin: do you want it stored primarily/only in memory, or also persisted to disk? What kind of reliability do you need? 03:32:21 I want persisted to disk 03:32:30 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:39 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:24 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:37:39 -!- tshauck [~tshauck@99-109-59-35.lightspeed.mssnks.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: tshauck] 03:38:14 OK, there's one of your parameters; you're on your way to having a spec that describes what you need. From there, you can look around for existing options that might be close enough. 03:38:15 Quadresce` [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 03:38:25 -!- Quadresce [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:42:52 -!- Quadresce` is now known as Qworkescence 03:43:02 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:38 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:46:48 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:40 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:52:08 Molly_Az [~chatzilla@63-225-213-67.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:58:07 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:58:47 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:59:15 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59:45 Is there a way to call the test function through 'f'? 04:00:39 martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 04:00:44 what is 'f'? 04:00:46 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 04:00:58 Example: (f 2 3)? Python allows the programmer to create first class functions. I assume lisp does as well? 04:01:07 Yes. 04:01:12 Oh, I pasted it 04:01:13 I still don't understand your question. 04:01:33 Looks like lisppaste doesn't forward to irc... 04:01:52 "(defparameter f (defun test (a b) (+ a b)))", yes? 04:02:01 Molly_Az: go to http://paste.lisp.org and find the link to your paste from the list. It should be the first.... 04:02:07 Sorry pjb. Hmm...ok. Bike: Yep. That's it. 04:02:20 Molly_Az: defun returns the name of the function defined. 04:02:32 Try (funcall f 2 3), but I don't think that's good style, really. 04:02:41 You can call a function given its name bound in a variable *f* with: (funcall *f* arguments...) 04:02:45 *Molly_Az* nods. 04:03:06 Molly_Az: More often, you'd just get the function itself, with (function test). 04:03:15 (let ((f (function test))) (funcall f 1 2)) 04:03:36 (function test)? Literal syntax? 04:03:49 More often even, you don't call them directly: you just pass them to higher order functions that will call them: (mapcar (function test) list1 list2) 04:03:59 clhs function 04:04:00 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_fn.htm 04:04:23 function is not a literal syntax. 04:04:24 symbole [~user@ool-4a5a4bdd.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:32 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-gahydrfkhobesuth] has joined #lisp 04:04:38 It's a special operator that returns the named function. 04:04:52 Now, it doesn't make a difference, since functions are immutable. 04:05:21 Evaluate: (list (function test) (defun test (a b) (- a b)) (function test)) 04:05:32 The first and third elements of the list are not the same function! 04:05:33 Oh, ok. I was just wondering since python allows: f = then f(params). 04:05:49 srid_ [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:05:49 -!- srid_ [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 04:05:49 srid_ [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #lisp 04:05:50 Molly_Az: then python is a lisp-1. Common Lisp is a lisp-2. 04:05:59 :) 04:06:09 Molly_Az: you can do this: (setf (symbol-function 'f) (function test)) (f 1 2) 04:06:24 -1 and -2 as in ver. numbers? 04:07:05 as in: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Technical-Issues.html 04:07:45 Ok. 04:08:22 pjb: Using the syntax you posted, could I then pass the function into other functions? 04:08:41 Using 'f as a param? 04:08:54 In all cases you can. 04:09:00 Which syntax do you refer to? 04:09:18 Interesting. (setf (symbol-function 'f) (function test)) 04:09:24 (mapcar (function test) list1 list2) <=> (let ((f (function test))) (mapcar f list1 list2) 04:09:31 (setf (symbol-function 'f) (function test)) (mapcar (function f) list1 list2) 04:09:50 (setf (symbol-function 'f) (function test)) (assert (eql (function f) (function test))) 04:10:30 *Molly_Az* is curious how long pjb has been practicing his(?) lisp-fu. 04:10:39 A long time. 04:10:50 *Molly_Az* is not surprised. 04:11:15 *Molly_Az* is but a young student. 04:12:04 Hundenn [~Hunden@e180098128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:12:19 I'm going to have to examine the code posted, but thanks all for the help. 04:12:36 Thanks Bike. 04:12:43 *Molly_Az* return. 04:12:56 s/return/will return/; 04:13:03 -!- Molly_Az [~chatzilla@63-225-213-67.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 04:13:09 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:13:58 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection 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madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:31 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:56:41 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 06:59:55 Anybody know anything about thish 06:59:55 * ;; swank:close-connection: end of file on # 06:59:55 business or slime startup? It's hitting me on linux 64/latest tip slime/SBCL 1.0.49 07:00:39 Seems to only happen when running slime via SSH , not XWindows. 07:03:33 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-121-185.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 07:04:38 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ydxqbhgicjibrnvx] has joined #lisp 07:04:40 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ydxqbhgicjibrnvx] has quit [Changing host] 07:04:40 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:07:12 Modius: did you do the :dont-close :t trick? 07:07:24 z0d: What's that? 07:07:55 like (swank:create-server :port 4005 :dont-close t :coding-system "utf-8-unix") 07:07:57 Note - this is the normal M-x slime trick 07:08:05 I mean, can that be used for M-x slime? 07:11:07 z0d: Is there a way that can be used for M-x slime ? 07:11:13 Modius: how do you run in via SSH? 07:11:49 z0d: I ssh to the linux box/terminal, then run emacs from command prompt (as opposed to graphical emacs). It actually fails a high % of the time. 07:11:55 But succeeds occasionally 07:14:04 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.105.253.191] has joined #lisp 07:15:22 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:17:40 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 07:19:21 -!- lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:20:02 -!- catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-xgvwlovjqgrqhhff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:19 z0d: I hacked the flag deep inside setup-server - where is a cleaner place for me to alter whatever runs when you run plain M-x slime? 07:20:46 -!- kennyd_ [~kennyd@93-138-183-74.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:21:57 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.123.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:22:36 catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-fakaticcezgcqlxa] has joined #lisp 07:22:42 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:06 -!- ltriant 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[~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:41:02 Bahman [~bahman@2.146.16.12] has joined #lisp 09:41:19 Hi all! 09:41:49 daimrod [~daimrod@ANantes-556-1-326-23.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:42:27 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:42:45 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:46:26 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 09:50:21 el-maxo [~max@p5DE8F4C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:50:23 heyho 09:51:14 Is there any good documentation on what I can to with constants and what not? 09:51:46 for example I recently ran into a problem that occured because I had a constant which pointed to a list 09:51:55 -!- tagae [~user@palenque.dhcp.info.ucl.ac.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:12 now I am wondering if strings can be constant, even though they are mutable. 09:52:53 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-71.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:52:53 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-71.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:52:59 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-71.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:53:47 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 09:56:18 you may not modify constants. so for a list eg. (append) might be find, (nappend) not 09:56:50 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 09:56:50 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 09:56:50 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 09:57:04 flip214: poke 53272,0 09:58:06 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.1.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:58:17 flip214: what about stuff like: (defconstant +foo+ '(1 2)) (defconstant +bar+ (cons 0 +foo+)) ? 09:59:00 Posterdati: POKE 808,225 09:59:09 lol 09:59:18 have to start vice then 09:59:28 el-maxo: that should be fine - you don't modify +foo+, you just point another CDR at it 10:01:37 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-71.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: G'bye] 10:01:40 Posterdati: don't know whether that's useful to you: http://www.c64-wiki.de/index.php/POKE 10:02:19 good 10:02:40 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-71.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:53 flip214: but even though I "may" not modifiy constants values, I can do it. whats the point in constants then? 10:06:18 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07:46 when I modify the same object bound to a variable name, I dont get errors and they value of my constants changes, when I use the constant variable I get an error... 10:09:44 el-maxo: the problem is not whether you give a literal or not to defconstant. 10:10:01 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 10:10:05 el-maxo: the problem is that the value you give to defconstant must be eql to the value the constant will get when you load the file. 10:10:34 ah 10:10:45 el-maxo: either you load the file in an image where the constant is already defined or not, and in both cases, apart from numbers, characters and symbols, you won't get an object that is eql. 10:11:08 thanks for that explanation, thats what I needed 10:11:41 el-maxo: alexandria has a macro to define constants that doesn't override the value when the constant is already defined, IIRC. 10:12:09 pjb, el-maxo: correct, with arbitrary :test - equal, equalp, eql, et 10:12:11 *etc 10:12:41 Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:14:40 you may not modify constants. <-- this is meaningless in lisp. 10:14:46 There are no constants in lisp. 10:15:11 you may not modify constants "if you want the compiler optimizations to work". Better? 10:15:17 There are constant variables, introduced by defconstant. And there are literals, introduced by quote or some reader macros. 10:15:39 Two examples of constants. :) 10:16:09 Not only optimizations ... I'd imagine (defmethod foo ((eql bar +some-gensym-or-list-or-whatever+))) to go wrong, too 10:17:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:18:33 There's the famous trick of modifying macro arguments ... making the source 'bad' 10:19:01 Zhivago: you are colluding two things entirely different: variables and objects. 10:19:58 pjb: Where? 10:20:15 when you say that both (some) variables and objects are examples of constants. 10:20:24 Nonsense. 10:20:43 Does saying that "stars and apples are green" say that stars and apples are the same kinds of things? 10:20:59 It just says that there is a property that they share in common. 10:21:13 Notice also that the glossary 4th definition of constant makes all the lisp objects constants (apart from conses and non constant variable symbols). 10:21:23 Zhivago: green stars? not in the hertzsprung-russell-diagram, AFAIK 10:21:40 Zhivago: constant variables and literal objects don't share anything. 10:21:45 flip: You just need the right kind of lense. 10:22:07 you all go jerk off haha 10:22:22 Zhivago: or the wrong kind of eye 10:22:22 el-maxo: I suggest that you jerk off haha yourself. 10:22:31 el-maxo: You might enjoy it. 10:22:57 fourier [~user@h-30-147.A176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 10:22:57 Zhivago: I would totally, unfortunately Im at work right now so I wont ger further into that discussion 10:23:06 thanks again for the help verybody 10:23:25 el-maxo: Maybe you can meet haha in the bathroom after work. Have fun. 10:24:32 well, in functional programming _every_ value is constant - only the names point to different things over time, right? 10:25:21 so a constant variable is a name for something, and that association should never change - which eg. allows some optimizations. 10:26:02 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@2103ds2-vir.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27:09 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:28:19 flip214: well, unfortunately, the standard leaves the behavior of defconstant in the REPL undefined (I guess just because giving a formal definition would be somewhat hairy). But all the implementations will change the value of the constant variables when you defconstant it again. (Some with a warning). On the other hand, if you defconstant a different value (not eql), during compilation, then you really have a problem (and again, the 10:28:19 standard should have specified an error here). 10:28:26 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 10:29:24 even after two decades of standard dev? 10:29:36 IMO, when the standard leaves something unspecified, in a lot of case it doesn't mean that implementations can do whatever they want, just that the standard comitee was somewhat lazy. 10:30:10 And the CL community has been somewhat broke ever since, so no addendum has been made. 10:30:42 Nowadays, there's some wiki page where you can comment on the standard, and there's the CDR process. 10:30:44 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:30:49 or maybe an expression of the contrast between what a committee and an individual or a tightly knit group can do 10:30:51 pjb: do you mean "broke" as in "without money" or "split in groups"? 10:31:01 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If I have local libraries, not to be redistributed, then I can make them autoload through the project's asd file. 12:22:34 leseter: if that makes sense to you 12:23:27 leseter: regardless, listing all the dependencies is quite handy. I have one service for which I haven't done it, and it's a search whenever I need to restart it (it's the thing that makes me remember that I really need to use asdf) 12:25:43 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-19-192.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:27:19 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-78.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:28:49 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:29:24 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 12:31:38 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 12:32:10 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 12:32:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 12:32:10 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:33:45 -!- leseter is now known as lester- 12:34:22 that's a bit over my head. right now I'm even failing at adding a custom require directory 12:35:23 I'm using clisp. pushed a path to 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[Y5DiSllsqR@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 14:01:35 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-212-194.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:47 felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:29 Guthur [c743cb8e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.67.203.142] has joined #lisp 14:07:50 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 14:10:00 hello razieliyo 14:10:11 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:10:15 lester-: are you still here? 14:10:37 Guest00001 [c1aca602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.172.166.2] has joined #lisp 14:11:42 hi Modius 14:11:47 I mean, hi madnificent 14:14:09 how/who are you razieliyo :) I haven't been around much lately and haven't noticed you yet :) 14:15:04 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-212-194.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:10 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-212-194.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:32 Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:19:01 -!- loke [~elias@bb121-6-164-13.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:09 loke [~elias@bb121-6-70-100.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:20:25 -!- pkhuong [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:20:34 madnificent: I'm a lisp beginner 14:20:48 madnificent: no one in particular 14:23:42 I'm here madnificent 14:23:52 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:24:16 linusp [~flyme@2001:250:4000:8148:2e0:4cff:fe03:77bb] has joined #lisp 14:24:48 razieliyo: so you're reading some book? 14:24:54 lester-: ah good :) 14:25:11 let's handle it in pm, less dull noize in the channel :) 14:25:44 madnificent: yes, land of lisp 14:25:45 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-212-194.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26:23 funny book ;) 14:26:28 yes 14:26:43 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-212-194.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:43 and pretty clear 14:29:38 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:30:31 TDT 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