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(again) 02:30:15 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@1807ds2-noe.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:36:51 cbp [~cesarbol9@189.247.6.112] has joined #lisp 02:38:41 Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@1807ds2-noe.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 02:39:04 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:40:13 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has joined #lisp 02:41:41 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:42:34 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:43:41 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 02:45:36 sbryant_work [~user@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has joined #lisp 02:50:31 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:52:18 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-98-113-194-183.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:54:13 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:54:19 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:55:33 -!- jrockway [~jrockway@2001:470:1f0e:bfa::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:55:40 -!- austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:56:54 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57:20 -!- gko [~gko@111.81.227.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:57:29 gko [~gko@111.81.227.103] has joined #lisp 03:02:20 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:03:03 _pw_ [~user@125.34.46.192] has joined #lisp 03:08:11 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 03:15:03 Zhivago: what are the implications of Scheme's macro system vs. Common Lisp's? 03:15:16 Zhivago: specifically, hygienic 03:15:41 dnyrgr [~drg@c-76-109-247-175.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:43 They are equivalent. 03:15:50 The difference is in convenience. 03:16:23 but then again, macros are about convenience. 03:16:28 Zhivago: what does one make more convenient than the other? 03:17:59 callen: In scheme, you need to go out of your way to be unhygenic. 03:18:11 In CL, you need to go out of your way not to be unhygenic. 03:20:53 -!- sbryant_work [~user@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22:19 On the other hand, there are characteristics of scheme and CL that makes unhygienic macros a calamity in scheme, and hygienic macros an unnecessity in CL. 03:22:33 Nonsense. 03:22:45 If that were true, people wouldn't go around using gensym all the time. 03:22:49 You really have a problem Zhivago ... 03:23:02 pjb: Yes. It's called "not being an idiot". 03:23:14 Rather the other way. 03:23:25 pjb: See if you can provide a cogent response. 03:24:10 See the multiple discussions about hygienic macros and CL on cll. This has already discussed to death, all the arguments are expected to be known of you. 03:24:51 pjb: So, nothing cogent to say -- just the usual fallacy of an appeal to authority. :) 03:25:01 oh look it's one of these. 03:25:08 I'm not your personnal parot. 03:25:39 BountyX [~erhan@adsl-99-141-30-2.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:05 -!- BountyX [~erhan@adsl-99-141-30-2.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:34:40 BountyX [~erhan@s233-64-144-240.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #lisp 03:41:12 longfin [~longfin@124.198.53.194] has joined #lisp 03:44:59 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has joined #lisp 03:45:09 -!- gko [~gko@111.81.227.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 03:45:39 gko [~gko@111.81.227.103] has joined #lisp 03:46:21 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 03:48:20 -!- markskil1eck [~chris@host86-137-32-2.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:50:41 -!- felideon [~felideon@adsl-98-64-196-82.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:51:54 Modius: we wait on a shutdown condition var 03:53:37 -!- BountyX [~erhan@s233-64-144-240.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:10 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 03:59:56 does anybody have a known collision case for sxhash return values in x86-64 sbcl? 04:00:01 I'm testing a functional hashtree 04:00:16 (longshot request, I know) 04:01:44 nope 04:05:11 ehine1: I don't recognize your nick. Are you new here? 04:05:44 hi, yep fairly new. Not to irc, but to this chat. 04:06:05 ehine1: What brings you to #lisp? 04:06:35 been working on learning some lisp lately, so figured I'd see what's going on in its chat :) 04:08:09 gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:08:18 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ip68-6-68-92.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:10:27 Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.16.253.87] has joined #lisp 04:12:50 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 04:14:02 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:03 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14:50 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 04:18:31 -!- akkartik [~akkartik@akkartik.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:18:36 akkartik [~akkartik@akkartik.name] has joined #lisp 04:28:56 -!- cbp [~cesarbol9@189.247.6.112] has quit [] 04:30:55 -!- dnyrgr [~drg@c-76-109-247-175.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 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in windows only it is fatal... 08:47:33 <_3b> main sbcl/windows tree doesn't handle that, other lisps should be able to 08:47:45 ok 08:47:48 *_3b* doesn't know if the windows threads sbcl fork handles that properly yet or not 08:51:57 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:54:07 Patzy [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:57:08 Krystof [~csr21@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:58:22 Guthur [c0c1748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.116.142] has joined #lisp 08:58:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-46-251.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:01:09 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:01:23 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:58 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 09:06:41 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 09:07:21 I am looking at the STELLA project, for the first time! It seems nice with all the translation possibilities 09:11:13 is it respected as a work around here? 09:12:15 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-41-175.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:22 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-222-92.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:18:33 _3b: i *think* anton's tree has allows slime to interrupt things 09:20:38 francogrex: i don't think many people know much about it. i've run across it maybe once before, took a glance at the docs and forgot all about it 09:21:01 the motivation for STELLA seems rather bogus.... 09:21:23 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 09:21:35 "While Common-Lisp would probably still be the best language choice for many of these tasks, its dwindling vendor support and user base make it more and more difficult to justify its use. .... Our response was to invent a new programming language, called STELLA," 09:21:55 which obviously has less vendor support and even less users 09:22:22 ay 09:23:14 Guthur: yes, I didn't think it good for production but just a nice tool for translation/experimentation 09:24:17 you still need common lisp to use it 09:25:53 I don't know how active is the development though doesn't seem very active 09:31:20 I don't really understand the vendor argument against CL, there are lots of languages that don't have corporate sponsorship 09:33:35 urandom__ [~user@p548A476B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:35:38 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-41-175.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36:05 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-137-12.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:14 Guthur: yes that was a bit of a put off when I read it first 09:37:24 sharps [~hazel@121-72-240-85.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:56 to be fair I don't think 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probably because something is broken 12:16:15 it may actually be the case that you broke something! 12:16:47 I don't think so my page is the following: 12:16:48 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 12:17:25 http://pastebin.com/Jiip2hj3 12:18:00 jdz, where am I wrong ? 12:18:24 kiuma: it's no use playing innocent now - you broke Lisp! 12:18:35 :P 12:18:45 I didn't 12:18:48 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:18:58 Lisp is unbreakeable 12:19:39 lisp is full of win, even when going down in flames 12:19:57 let me share my little library with others :)! 12:22:33 ps.: what do you think about it ? https://github.com/kiuma/thread-pool 12:23:21 and it there anybody who can take a look to this cliki problem ? 12:23:31 sbryant_work [~user@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has joined #lisp 12:23:32 *is 12:24:20 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: vervic] 12:24:26 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.4.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:41 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 12:25:19 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:24 -!- longfin [~longfin@124.198.53.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:05 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.152.143] has joined #lisp 12:38:59 oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.113.56] has joined #lisp 12:39:03 ChibaPet [~mason@74.203.221.34] has joined #lisp 12:40:24 foocraft [~ewanas@89.211.225.198] has joined #lisp 12:44:36 Yuzuchan [~yuzuchan@p2220-ipad61osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:44:54 strangely silent today 12:49:27 billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 12:49:33 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 12:49:33 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 12:49:56 kiuma: I see some similarities to my current pet project ... https://github.com/phmarek/threading-queue 12:50:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping 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Maybe I've choosen a wrong name for my lib 12:54:23 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 12:54:29 flip214, you solution seems more similar to http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/pcall/ 12:54:50 no, they are not the same ... but I see some similarities 12:54:54 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-193-113.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:55:22 of course they have :) 12:55:58 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@a89-153-163-131.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 12:56:29 -!- zomgbie_ [~jesus@85-127-134-7.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:56:32 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-199-58.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 12:59:53 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:55 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:04:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:05:00 replore [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined 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I'm getting an "Invalid object" in SBCL. 14:29:58 what can that be? 14:30:10 run-away pointer? 14:30:32 -!- centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:31:10 add^_ [~add^_^@h62n2c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 14:31:26 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:26 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:26 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:07 aleron [~brad@33.sub-75-216-223.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 14:32:48 Probably a corrupt tag. 14:33:12 Zhivago: ah. ok. This is SBCL 1.0.48 14:33:22 I'll review the commits up to .49 14:33:36 hopefully one of the descriptions show that it may be fixed. 14:33:58 Zhivago: did you experience this yourself, recently? 14:35:01 lisppaste [~lisppaste@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:28 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:33 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:26 -!- ehine1 [~ericyoda@69.205.154.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:43:36 iori [~iori@EM111-188-111-22.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:43:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:11 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:46:12 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-176-90.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:46:26 centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 14:48:04 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:30 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:50:01 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@89.211.225.198] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:52:04 ehu: easiest ways to get such things are: #1 saying something is dynamic-extent when it isn't. (setf *stack-allocate-dynamic-extent* nil) and recompile -- if the goes away, that was the cause -- now you just have to find the problem spot. #2 lying about types in low safety code. (restrict-compiler-policy 'safety 2) and compile. #3 foreign code or otherwise evil sap manipulations 14:52:23 how are you getting it? 14:52:35 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 14:54:45 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.195.37] has joined #lisp 14:54:53 no active bugs that should cause such are known to me, or fixed between 1.0.48-1.0.49, though the interpretation of dynamic-extent &rest just changed in a way that makes it easier and safer to use, which might help 14:55:49 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:17 gkeith_lt [~gkeith@nat/google/x-rdqadypafswsjkas] has joined #lisp 14:58:31 ehine1 [~ericyoda@69.205.154.161] has joined #lisp 15:01:07 homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-153-236.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:14 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-27-204-74.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:50 nikodemus: btw, i just compiled SBCL, got a failure on threads.pure.lisp / DEADLOCK-DETECTION.4, but have not looked into it 15:01:59 -!- homie` [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-153-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:25 yet 15:02:28 jdz: platform? 15:02:59 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 15:03:06 nikodemus: 64bits 15:03:11 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-184-40.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:03:16 linux, osx, bsd? 15:03:24 how many cores? 15:03:55 intel core i7 (4 cores, with hyperthreading => 2 real cores) 15:04:04 -!- gkeith_lt [~gkeith@nat/google/x-rdqadypafswsjkas] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:04:04 linux 15:04:30 tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has joined #lisp 15:05:25 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-153-236.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:06:28 does it happen consistently? you can run just threads.pure.lisp by doing "sh run-tests.sh threads.pure.lisp" 15:06:39 nikodemus: yeah, doing it now 15:06:43 thanks 15:06:49 yep, success 15:07:03 i guess i was doing some compilation with ccl in the meantime... 15:07:09 shouldn't matter 15:07:47 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:48 gkeith_lt [~gkeith@nat/google/x-fkzdvxiomcewagla] has joined #lisp 15:08:11 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:08:26 must have hit the unlucky case 15:08:28 it would be great if you could change the assert there to (unless (or ...) (error "got: ~S," res)) and hammer it a bit 15:08:31 HG` [~HG@p5DC05C1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:04 jdz: it's possible there's a logic hole in the test, but it's equally possible you saw a hard-to-see bona fide bug 15:09:16 silenius [~silenus@p549470BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:53 TDT [~TDT@dhcpw81ffec09.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 15:11:01 jdz: oh, just checking -- i assume this is newer than 1.0.48.16? 15:11:55 1.0.48.16 fixes a bug in logic of the deadlock detection tests -- before that they assumed that a single deadlock cannot be reported in more than one thread, which isn't true 15:12:04 nikodemus: just pulled 15:12:05 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 15:12:19 nikodemus: SBCL 1.0.49.16-4084b6b 15:12:28 hm 15:13:46 do you have the failure on log by any chance? 15:15:05 the only thing i can think of right now is either thread in the test dying abnormally, or refusing to spawn in the first place 15:15:25 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:44 do you have overcommit enabled? 15:15:53 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:16:00 nikodemus: how do i check? 15:16:17 if you haven't knowingly disabled it, it's almost certainly on :) 15:16:21 -!- aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:18:14 _iori_ [~iori@110-133-45-54.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:18:40 cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory # tells for sure 15:19:12 0 15:20:10 morning 15:20:22 that can't be it, then 15:20:40 -!- iori [~iori@EM111-188-111-22.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:09 galumph [~ron@bzq-84-109-188-221.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:10 -!- sellout- [~Adium@195.54.148.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:21:45 -!- galumph [~ron@bzq-84-109-188-221.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:22:14 galumph [~ron@bzq-84-109-188-221.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:23 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-104-86.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:53 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.95.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:29:17 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 15:29:35 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-138-232.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:30:14 is there any advantage or loss in performance when using let* instead of multiple lets? or is it the same but code is better readable with let* ? 15:30:24 nikodemus: ok, i cannot seem to be able to reproduce any more, will try some more later (or tomorrow) 15:30:43 francogrex: no performance difference 15:30:52 no in any sane implementation at least 15:30:59 not, even 15:31:10 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.79.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:25 jdz: thanks. here's hoping it happens again... 15:32:24 -!- chp [~chp@2001:da8:a000:155:5eff:35ff:fe0c:c3ef] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:32:43 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:57 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-147-248.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:01 sellout- [~Adium@212.3.9.50] has joined #lisp 15:34:48 workthrick [~mathrick@emp.nat.sdu.dk] has joined #lisp 15:34:53 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-16-133.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:39:13 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:40:09 kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-chyvddcgegyjsydh] has joined #lisp 15:41:02 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:41:25 -!- aoh [~aki@85.23.168.115] has quit [Quit: shoe] 15:43:03 -!- xan_ [~xan@230.61.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:43:08 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44:39 -!- ehine1 [~ericyoda@69.205.154.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:44:55 xan_ [~xan@82.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:45:04 francogrex: multiple let would be sequencial just like let* would be; a single let might have parallel assignments yet I also don't know of an implementation actually doing that 15:45:19 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.79.242] has joined #lisp 15:45:59 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-138-232.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:46:14 phadthai: "parallel" also refers to the visibility of values 15:46:37 true 15:47:09 no implementation actually runs the value forms in threads, afaict. 15:47:33 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-138-55.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:48:09 but the "in parallel" also refers to the order in which things get executed - if one of your binding forms has side-effects, you shouldn't rely on them happening in any particular order 15:48:32 antifuchs: LET is evaluated left to right. 15:48:36 it'd actually would be hard for the compiler to properly decide which should be, considering the communication/synchronization overhead between threads... perhaps it'd be possible with less overhead using SSE or the like, not sure 15:48:42 pnq [~nick@AC82F2B7.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:45 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.79.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:48 pkhuong: where does it say that? 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I think I see it 15:49:19 "[the let form] first evaluates the expressions init-form-1, init-form-2, and so on, in that order, saving the resulting values" 15:49:22 oh yes. forget what I was saying (: 15:49:28 scheme doesn't specify evaluation order. 15:49:35 ah, interesting 15:49:51 Also, SSE and synchronisation? 15:50:09 so only PLET might actually allow parallel bindings? 15:50:14 if the implementation allowed it 15:50:19 what's PLET? 15:50:32 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:18 ah hmm I guess it was called differently :) 15:51:45 i think that maybe a totally different lisp 15:52:11 nice. just discovered docview in emacs. 15:52:14 -!- kodovangelis [~kodovange@188-230-154-130.dynamic.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:52:26 ah psetf.. so actually different 15:52:34 zomgbie_ [~jesus@84.119.85.59] has joined #lisp 15:52:47 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-138-55.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:53:44 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 15:54:50 psetf doesn't imply (or allow) parallel execution either 15:55:11 cl is very strict about evaluation order 15:55:15 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.79.242] has joined #lisp 15:55:24 only the assignment of new values 15:55:41 -!- pyrony [~epic@99-105-56-162.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:56:28 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:58:02 morphling [~stefan@95.117.123.184] has joined #lisp 15:59:27 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:59:41 -!- Guthur [c0c1748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.116.142] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:23 tsanhwa [~user@2001:da8:8001:4608:fa1e:dfff:feef:4352] has joined #lisp 16:02:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.79.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:02:41 -!- zomgbie_ [~jesus@84.119.85.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:01 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.150.180.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 16:03:46 frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:04:28 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-138-55.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 16:05:05 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:05:45 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 16:06:58 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.152.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:08:12 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:23 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.195.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@94.44.3.22] has joined #lisp 16:12:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@94.44.3.22] has quit [Changing host] 16:12:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:13:31 enthymeme [~kraken@96.31.242.194] has joined #lisp 16:13:40 -!- sellout- [~Adium@212.3.9.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:16:03 -!- splittist [~splittist@38-106.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16:08 -!- frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:38 -!- centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:16:44 -!- yuzu- is now known as yuzu-afk 16:18:10 zbeasnyy [~mornfall@bband-dyn47.178-41-115.t-com.sk] has joined #lisp 16:19:01 centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 16:25:17 oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.204.209] has joined #lisp 16:25:25 -!- tsanhwa [~user@2001:da8:8001:4608:fa1e:dfff:feef:4352] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:07 pyrony [~epic@107.24.182.118] has joined #lisp 16:27:16 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.195.37] has joined #lisp 16:29:56 _abc_ [~user@unaffiliated/ccbbaa] has joined #lisp 16:29:59 -!- yuzu-afk is now known as Yuzu-Zzz 16:30:39 <_abc_> hello. Is there a patch/package to safe maxima so it can be executed from a shell remotely? 16:30:53 <_abc_> I mean disable all file save functions, system() etc 16:31:52 tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has joined #lisp 16:32:43 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d048c39.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:39 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-chyvddcgegyjsydh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:34:29 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:35:01 rgrau [~user@67.Red-83-58-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:35 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:36:57 sellout- [~Adium@212.3.9.50] has joined #lisp 16:38:24 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BADA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:03 _abc_: Probably best asked in #maxima or the maxima mailing list. But I'm not aware of any such package, although I do know people who allow remote execution of maxima. They might just use a chroot or something. 16:39:04 zomgbie_ [~jesus@84.119.86.111] has joined #lisp 16:39:32 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:39:42 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-98-210-196-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:57 frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:40:28 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.204.209] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:41:38 -!- frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:00 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-138-55.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:02 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:42:12 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has joined #lisp 16:42:18 <_abc_> rtoym: thanks 16:42:20 -!- _abc_ [~user@unaffiliated/ccbbaa] has left #lisp 16:42:39 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-104-86.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:43:46 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.226.69] has joined #lisp 16:46:49 -!- e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-jwsygrrthvyfrnvu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47:42 -!- TDT [~TDT@dhcpw81ffec09.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: TDT] 16:48:38 TDT [~TDT@129.255.236.9] has joined #lisp 16:48:40 -!- TDT [~TDT@129.255.236.9] has quit [Client Quit] 16:49:32 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-157-5.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:46 lichtblau: I'm looking at http://common-lisp.net/project/cxml/klacks.html and finding it odd that get-attribute and list-attributes aren't documented 16:55:19 there's one sentence in map-attributes that looks wrong -- part of list-attributes' putative documentation? Has something gone wrong with document generation? 16:55:43 Krystof: aren't they obvious? get-attribute lets you retrieve the value of an attribute. lisp-attributes gives you the list of attributes. :-) 16:55:51 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:15 Has anyone seen jamesjb lately? 16:56:34 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:47 pjb: (a) their existence cannot be inferred from the documentation (b) "list-attributes" (c) improving documentation will help the next person who is not so mindbogglingly clever as you 16:59:00 Krystof: OK, documentation fix pushed (website update pending) 16:59:16 adu [~ajr@64.134.96.52] has joined #lisp 17:00:11 *luis* is sad that jamesjb seems to have disappeared from the interwebs :-/ 17:00:43 Krystof: I thought it relies on a bit of knowledge about the DOM methods 17:01:12 lichtblau: cool. Thanks 17:01:26 antifuchs: hah. 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18:22:29 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:57 heh, vectors doesn't have reverse inner/outer edge ordering for stroked (closed) paths 18:25:46 unfortunately you can tell where a list starts but not where it ends 18:26:01 so you'll have to go through all the nodes to find the end 18:26:17 unless of course you keep the end already stored somewhere, or make a double-linked list 18:26:53 double-linked list doesn't help unless circular 18:27:32 double-linked list implementation can store start/end so you can iterate either way 18:27:38 most i've seen do 18:27:54 you can store the end of a singly linked list too 18:28:28 true but you don't really have any control over it and it requires special handling 18:28:32 Hmm...with handler-case, I'm running into a small issue. In the following code (handler-case (read-from-string ele) (SB-INT:SIMPLE-READER-PACKAGE-ERROR (text) text)), I was hoping that if ele was a string say, "FOO" and gave an error about it not being part of this package, that handlercase would catch it and just return the text. It seems to do that for some, but not all of the ones it enounters as being an issue..instead, I have the text of the 18:28:32 itself, which isn't what I want. Is there a way to pull out the text from what read-from-string was attempting to do without using a temporary variable? 18:28:52 oGMo: What do you mean you don't have control over it? 18:29:02 kodovangelis [~kodovange@188-230-154-130.dynamic.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:13 drdo: assuming we're talking about lisp, modifying the end of the list won't update your end-of-list 18:29:35 oGMo: what's "end-of-list" ? 18:29:47 drdo: the bit you're storing 18:30:07 I honestly don't understand what you're talking about 18:30:15 -!- pyrony [~epic@office1.klout.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:30:19 you said "you can store the end of a singly-linked list too" 18:30:27 nm, I wasn't thinking....I figured it out 18:30:34 You can keep the last cons and destructively put stuff at the end in constant time 18:31:38 foocraft [~ewanas@89.211.225.198] has joined #lisp 18:31:48 you can, and it requires you do all the changing and keep updating what's the new end of the list yourself. viable in certain cases only 18:32:06 ehu [~ehuels@87.212.64.118] has joined #lisp 18:32:22 how's my iterative palindrome-finding funciton? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/402963/ can you give me advices for a better lisp style? 18:32:56 i think i remember this exercise... graham's book? 18:33:40 Landr: no, http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~meidanis/courses/mc336/2006s2/funcional/L-99_Ninety-Nine_Lisp_Problems.html 18:33:45 ah 18:34:58 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:35:10 bsod1: you can use every instead of that loop 18:35:28 (every #'equal first last) 18:35:38 drdo: great, thanks 18:36:00 and you can write: (when (not (equal e1 e2)) return nil) 18:36:09 almost an english sentence! :> 18:39:50 Landr: thanks 18:41:19 Landr: return is an unbound variable (in general). 18:41:49 Landr: otherwise, (when (not (equal e1 e2)) (return nil)), when it's conforming code, always return nil, so you can replace it with just NIL. 18:42:11 -!- Atomsk [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43:26 you need a block nil around that (: 18:43:43 return is a variable? o_O 18:44:20 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@2620:0:2820:b03:201:4aff:fef3:f0d4] has joined #lisp 18:44:41 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:45:23 kaffekopp [~user@c83-254-166-128.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:45:47 -!- kaffekopp [~user@c83-254-166-128.bredband.comhem.se] has left #lisp 18:46:50 i honestly have no idea what you guys are talking about 18:47:05 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-214-196.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:49:56 vaal392 [~vaal@host170-152-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:50:00 hi 18:50:03 how can i type backquote? 18:50:13 with your keyboard? 18:50:17 yes 18:50:23 netbook keyboard 18:50:31 i can't use notepad because the keyboard doesn't have it 18:50:42 o.O 18:50:44 well, rebind something i guess 18:50:47 what keyboard layout do you have? 18:51:03 i don't know, how i know it? :-\ 18:51:07 italian, i take it? 18:51:26 yeah 18:51:26 :) 18:51:46 italians don't use `'~^ and friends? 18:51:58 i have ' 18:51:59 Quadresce [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:52:03 i've no tilde 18:52:12 and i have just this ^, not the other version 18:52:15 that seems awfully limiting 18:52:17 (and no backquote of course) 18:52:20 yes it is. 18:52:24 scrivi un accento grave 18:52:26 i'm learning macro on lisp 18:52:31 i don't have that landr 18:52:33 i have just this ' 18:52:37 odd 18:52:48 :s 18:52:51 : ( 18:52:52 how can i do? 18:53:17 windows or linux? 18:53:25 windows xp 18:53:43 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:53:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Italian.svg Huh. 18:54:11 vaal392: just rebind some other key 18:54:11 oh shit 18:54:11 good luck with that i guess 18:54:14 Landr: when you write (when (not (equal e1 e2)) return nil), return is expected to be a variable. 18:54:21 any suggestion? :-\ 18:54:58 vaal392: what editor do you use? 18:55:07 vaal392: don't be dumb. Switch to the US QWERTY keyboard layout. 18:55:24 How do you expect to type programs in programming languages designed in the US with a non US keyboard? 18:55:31 pjb: i do 18:55:41 You're a masochist. 18:55:43 hold alt, press 96 18:55:46 pretty sure lots of people do 18:55:46 mmm 18:55:54 cpc26 [~cpc26@rrcs-70-63-155-141.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:57 vaal392: try ALT-9, then space. 18:56:08 wait pls 18:56:11 i'm reading.. 18:56:23 ok 18:56:26 i've tu press 96 or 9? 18:56:29 *to 18:56:35 vaal392: try both. :) 18:56:47 oook 18:56:47 wait 18:56:55 alternatively, copy backquote and just use ctrl+v :> 18:57:01 where have i type it? 18:57:11 drdo: do you have ~? 18:57:17 landr if i've to type it often i wouldn't use copy/paste 18:57:18 no felideon 18:57:19 i don't 18:57:26 must be a pain to do any format string without ~ 18:57:28 type it in notepad 18:57:32 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:36 vaal392: did you try either of our suggestions? just try it in here or in a text editor. 18:57:46 9 18:57:50 nothing happens :-\ 18:57:53 with alt 9 18:58:00 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:58:03 felideon: of course 18:58:04 alt-9 + space, right? 18:58:11 chegibari [~chegibari@151.59.15.167] has joined #lisp 18:58:17 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@2620:0:2820:b03:201:4aff:fef3:f0d4] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 18:58:21 My language is one of the few that actually uses ~ 18:58:29 i use tilde too 18:58:33 i've set emacs for it 18:58:33 vaal392: okay. nothing with alt-9 + 6 either, I assume. 18:58:40 press alt (and hold it), then press 9, then press 6, then release 18:58:40 no, zfx, nothing 18:58:47 vaal392: alternatively, use xmodmap to map the characters you needed on some key. 18:58:48 vaal392: so just bind ` in emacs too 18:58:48 hold alt :P 18:58:49 96 18:58:50 nothing 18:58:56 drdo, the problem is 18:58:59 that when i close emacs 18:59:05 the configuration doesn't save 18:59:07 doesn't work in mirc 18:59:09 ahmm 18:59:12 so i've to type it everytime. 18:59:14 put it in your .emacs ? 18:59:28 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-124-171.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:36 i don't know how to do it, i've slime emacs, i tried it some days ago and i failed 18:59:38 so i don't know... 18:59:43 or i change layout of keyboard 18:59:49 or i learn to save the stuff on emacs 18:59:53 what would you suggest? 18:59:55 vaal392: step away from windows really 18:59:57 also, you have to use numpad numbers 19:00:10 i don't have numepad, i can't enable it on this keyboard, i tried 19:00:11 unix is bad, but windows is just plain unusable 19:00:12 In linux there are utilities like "Character palette" 19:00:19 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@rrcs-70-63-155-141.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:00:20 well then you're pretty much stuck :> 19:00:25 :-\ 19:00:28 just switch your keyboard layout to us-english 19:00:29 the man asks for a backtick, and he's being told to change his operating system. 19:00:31 and type blind 19:00:31 I'm using that for tilde too 19:00:38 ok 19:00:42 i will switch the keyboard 19:00:47 thank you :-) 19:00:47 charmap.exe 19:00:49 ehi 19:00:58 someone knows how to save setting in emacs+slime? 19:01:03 (with lispbox..) 19:01:09 copy&paste note pad and keep it in a text file on your desktop 19:01:27 Sorry, I didn't know he wasn't using linux. I supposed he was because he mentioned emacs 19:01:27 felideon, if i've to do it very often that solution isn't fine to me 19:01:43 (sorry for my english .-.) 19:01:55 vaal392: right, so yeah switch keyboard layout :) 19:02:12 yeah 19:02:13 i will 19:02:15 thank you guys 19:02:21 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:33 that still won't give him the glorious [] to () switch that linux bestows :> but it's a start 19:02:41 in the end his RSS pinky shall lead him onward 19:03:13 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 19:03:21 ehi 19:03:27 who of you have read land of lisp? 19:03:45 stis [~stis@host-90-235-230-201.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:03:56 is that a good book? 19:04:33 yes, it's funny too, which is always a boon 19:04:43 I only read a bit to see what it was like 19:05:00 I was completely wtfed when he started talking about data mode 19:05:38 lol ! 19:05:57 i've just finished "a gentle introduction to symbolic ..." 19:06:03 really great book. 19:06:33 (with us layout it works great: ~~~~```` 19:06:38 ^^ 19:06:55 ok thank you all man i've to go 19:06:57 goodbye 19:06:59 ciao 19:07:05 are you italian too? 19:07:06 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-190-73.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:07:08 ^^ 19:07:12 nope :> belgian 19:07:15 :) 19:07:16 goood 19:07:18 bye! 19:07:25 -!- vaal392 [~vaal@host170-152-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: http://irc2go.com/] 19:10:21 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 19:11:25 -!- chegibari [~chegibari@151.59.15.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:53 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:13:06 pnq [~nick@AC820CC7.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 19:18:17 aei [~aei@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:25 I think I just wrote a horrible lisp code, can you review my code? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/402996/ problem 8 in http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~meidanis/courses/mc336/2006s2/funcional/L-99_Ninety-Nine_Lisp_Problems.html 19:20:11 use COND instead of IF + PROGN 19:21:16 -!- aei [~aei@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:36 aei [~aei@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:08 for elem in (rest list) ; or (cdr list) 19:22:09 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:17 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:33 SUBSEQ copies the subsequence it returns, which is pointless here 19:22:45 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:22:50 thanks, fixing.. any more advices? 19:23:38 you can also write (loop for ... when (equal ...) do (push ...) else do ...the body of the progn...) 19:23:54 ok. I've got SBCL in the "Invalid object" again. 19:24:14 how do you get it? 19:24:19 in the backtrace, I see "foreign function: interrupt_internal_error" 19:24:29 does that mean anything? 19:25:23 lisppaste the backtrace 19:25:34 what OS are you on? 19:25:37 nikodemus: any advices about pushing into a list and returning reverse of it? 19:25:51 bsod1: it's fine 19:26:06 -!- aei [~aei@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:26:27 chegibari [~chegibari@151.59.15.167] has joined #lisp 19:26:43 nikodemus: it's actually lisppaste's backtrace :-) 19:26:48 hah 19:26:54 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:26:56 nikodemus: I'm on Debian Squeeze 19:27:01 just put it somewhere 19:27:07 SBCL without unicode, 1.0.48 19:27:27 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:07 http://pastebin.com/0s5PAzH5 19:28:15 bsod1: also, for most purposes (when (not (null list)) ...) is better expressed as (when list ...) 19:28:41 you use (not (null x)) pretty much only when you want to return T specifically 19:28:45 aei [~aei@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:57 I don't know about better, but indeed more idiomatically. 19:29:20 (The compiler will generate exactly the same code for both (when list ...) and (when (not (null list)) ...).) 19:29:22 aoh [~aki@85.23.168.123] has joined #lisp 19:29:27 nikodemus: thanks, fixed 19:29:40 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-124-171.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:51 ehu: is the the complete backtrace? 19:30:43 nikodemus: I'm not sure, it's the full backtrace I got from (backtrace) 19:31:23 ok 19:32:50 -!- aei [~aei@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:32:55 yea. I have another one, but it's not longer. 19:32:55 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:55 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:56 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:56 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:46 ok. for some reason what should be the rest list isn't 19:36:23 yea. that seems to be the issue, but it's not exactly clear where or when or how that fits with the backtrace. 19:36:26 not sure if the debugger is just confused, or if eg. the rest list a DX one from a frame that has already returned 19:36:47 but i can paste i quickfix for the debugger issue, just a sec 19:37:20 ok. restarting the bots. 19:37:50 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A476B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:37:50 if you can paste the quickfix, I'll keep it around for when they crash again. 19:38:41 -!- TDT [~TDT@dhcpw80ff904d.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: TDT] 19:39:33 gilligan_ [~gilligan@p4FEA5E7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:49 lisppaste [~lisppaste@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:51 -!- beach [~user@116.118.2.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:40:52 beach` [~user@116.118.2.34] has joined #lisp 19:41:15 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:16 hi 19:41:20 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:18 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-11-210.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:57 -!- aleron [~brad@33.sub-75-216-223.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:43:06 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 19:43:06 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 19:43:06 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:43:29 -!- beach` [~user@116.118.2.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:57 beach` [~user@116.118.2.34] has joined #lisp 19:46:27 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-157-5.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:46:47 http://random-state.net/tmp/for-ehu.lisp 19:46:59 that should make the debugger not fall over 19:47:00 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-157-5.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:16 aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 19:47:40 ehu: are the sources of the araneida version you use where? 19:48:47 nikodemus: got a weird slime-indentation/cl-indent thing with asserts 19:49:07 showme 19:49:27 -!- joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:49:32 http://paste.lisp.org/display/122526 19:50:03 indenting this form will push the string right, to the level of the (string= 19:50:37 guess it's not assert-related, but has to do with the nil at the end thee 19:50:39 "there" 19:51:08 i see, huh 19:52:55 antifuchs: do you need to solve circuits? 19:53:09 circuits? 19:53:16 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-98-210-196-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:31 (push (loop for i from 1 to (first elem) collecting (second elem)) result-list) <-- this adds the result list of the loop statement to result-list - can anyone suggest how I can instead splice the result of the loop statement into result-list / append it ? 19:55:33 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 19:55:34 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.68.45] has joined #lisp 19:55:34 antifuchs: electrical circuits 19:55:48 nope (: 19:57:03 antifuchs: I need a good text on graph theory and algorithms 19:57:22 MoALTz__ [~no@92.18.89.40] has joined #lisp 19:57:26 I don't have a good recommendation, sorry. 19:57:36 antifuchs: I'm reading Skiena books 19:57:37 antifuchs: I'm reading Skiena book 19:57:40 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.68.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:57:45 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@92.18.89.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:25 -!- zomgbie_ [~jesus@84.119.86.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:34 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.86.111] has joined #lisp 19:59:12 Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 19:59:52 antifuchs: e.g. I need to visit an electrical circuit (graph) to understand if there are disconnected elements/nodes and/or nets 19:59:56 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.68.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:00:14 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:36 phil_ [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:51 MoALTz [~no@92.18.89.40] has joined #lisp 20:04:50 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-153-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:08 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:05:24 Posterdati: do you know Rosen's "Discrete Mathematics and its Applications"? 20:05:47 luis: no 20:05:50 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-11-210.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:06:03 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.226.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:07:05 There's graphs in that book. :) 20:07:38 pyrony [~epic@office1.klout.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:32 luis: thanks 20:08:41 luis: I'm going to check it 20:08:55 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.217.70] has joined #lisp 20:09:34 -!- phil_ [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:10:18 hi 20:10:42 can we define new Special Operator's ? 20:11:05 or they are always 25. 20:11:22 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-153-236.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:11:36 you can't 20:12:04 so what's the point, why we need them at all. 20:12:15 dont we have macro's ?! 20:12:32 ehine1 [~ericyoda@69.205.154.161] has joined #lisp 20:12:54 Night-hacks: How would you implement, say, lambda without lambda? 20:13:48 drdo: so they are lisp reserved words ? 20:14:22 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:43 Posterdati: http://www.amazon.com/Design-Analysis-Computer-Algorithms/dp/0201000296 this one should be pretty good too. And there's Cormen's "Introduction to Algorithms". Both have chapters on graphs. 20:14:59 Night-hacks: It's just called a special operator 20:15:13 luis: thanks 20:15:32 drdo: do we have such a concept in scheme ? 20:15:37 Night-hacks: yes 20:15:49 drdo: ok, thanks 20:16:23 drdo: I need a schemer to help me write a plugin for gschem :) 20:19:23 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-36-70.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:36 -!- Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 20:19:52 is there a websockets/comet library like socket.io (from node.js) for common lisp? 20:19:57 jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.56] has joined #lisp 20:20:16 HET2 [~diman@cpc12-cdif12-2-0-cust276.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:21:17 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:21:48 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7F2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:22:02 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e24.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:20 aleron [~Brad@cpe-098-025-004-008.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:23:33 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #lisp 20:26:15 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-36-70.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:27:35 benny [~benny@i577A19CB.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:28:26 tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has joined #lisp 20:28:57 -!- trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:49 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 20:32:16 how to fix indentation of a selected block in emacs with slime? 20:32:39 C-M-q 20:32:42 urandom__ [~user@p548A67A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:52 I tend to use C-M-\ 20:32:58 but both should work, I guess (: 20:33:59 I like C-M-q's indent-everything-after-this behavior. 20:34:42 I prefer not to do this (touches too many lines, and code reviews get annoying for whitespace-only changes) 20:34:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-46-251.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:35:59 (hahaha, I just archived a huge todo item and emacs complained that my org file had shrunk by a significant amount.) 20:36:05 thanks 20:36:19 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36:35 this is how to tell you're being productive (: 20:36:38 The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:51 APPEND returns a new list, should I use setf to append my list or is there any better way? 20:36:52 Krystof [~csr21@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:37:12 NCONC 20:37:22 what would be the best audio processing library for common lisp on linux? (or should I just write ffi bindings to something?) 20:38:50 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-153-236.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:39:03 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-117-171.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:05 macrocat [~marmalade@142.177.227.230] has joined #lisp 20:42:08 zomgbie_ [~jesus@84.119.86.45] has joined #lisp 20:43:21 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43:37 antifuchs: i have a fix 20:43:50 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.86.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:44:20 committed to slime cvs 20:45:07 yayy 20:45:09 thanks! 20:47:08 -!- r11t [~r11t@ec2-50-18-44-29.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:48:08 r11t [~r11t@ec2-50-18-44-29.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 20:48:13 -!- catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-dbdrpusyduidtvht] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:50:36 bsod1: append doens't necessarily return a new list. 20:50:45 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-117-171.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:50:46 the answer to my question is clm 20:51:03 (let ((x '(a b c))) (assert (eq x (append nil nil nil x)))) 20:51:34 pjb: how? it doesn't change my list so it has to be return a new list, no? 20:51:36 bsod1: there's a better way: use appendf. 20:51:52 pjb: conc or appendf? 20:51:55 -!- wubo [~user@c-68-55-91-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:51:58 bsod1: append doens't necessarily return a new list. 20:52:01 clhs append 20:52:02 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_append.htm 20:52:11 clhs define-modify-macro 20:52:12 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defi_2.htm 20:52:29 appendf is in alexandria too, if you already have loaded it. 20:53:46 bsod1: any function that returns a list just cannot return a new list always, because () is not a new list, it's always the same old NIL. 20:54:19 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0046.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 20:54:44 So, even concatenate, which copies all its arguments contrarily to append, may still return the old list: (concatenate 'list nil nil nil) --> nil. 20:55:45 luis: thanks for looking at the idle stuff 20:56:04 iwillig [~iwillig@dyn-128-59-150-90.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 21:00:07 qizwiz [~user@64.244.149.245] has joined #lisp 21:00:18 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-242-246-28.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Eish] 21:00:26 thom_logn [~thom@pool-108-38-79-155.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:13 catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-swimjfhhtfsnejmk] has joined #lisp 21:03:30 -!- stis [~stis@host-90-235-230-201.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:04 youguy [~youguy@158.pool85-56-112.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 21:04:13 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-157-145.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:37 frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:06:11 how can I check if an element is in the list? 21:06:15 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.89.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:39 <_3b> bsod1: MEMBER, FIND, POSITION 21:06:52 _3b: right, thanks 21:07:15 bsod1: member is the one to use if you just want to check for membership 21:07:50 HG` [~HG@p579F7F2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:02 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@155-dom-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:09:25 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-157-145.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:03 -!- sellout- [~Adium@212.3.9.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:40 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0046.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:40 -!- youguy [~youguy@158.pool85-56-112.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:17:02 kenanb [~kenanb@95.14.90.206] has joined #lisp 21:19:50 sellout- [~Adium@212.3.9.50] has joined #lisp 21:20:37 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:20:58 -!- mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:21:00 what would be my best option for writing shell scripts with lisp? I've looked at shelisp, but it doesn't play nice. 21:21:40 -!- PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:21:46 madnificent: I thought you could just do "#!/bin/env sbcl --shell" or something 21:21:48 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 21:22:01 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-148-81.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:37 sellout-: that's only sbcl, which I find a bit sad. I don't mind compiling though. However there's also the issue of getting variables in and calling other shell scripts in a remotely nice way. 21:22:42 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:23:25 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:24:07 external-program (disclosure: written by me) should help with the latter. And I sb-posix:getenv should help with the former (I think there might be a library wrapping that somewhere). 21:24:09 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-4d048c39.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: WTF? leaving!] 21:24:48 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:16 sellout-: and that somewhere is what I'm asking about... cl-launch didn't seem simple either 21:25:18 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:08 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 21:27:25 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has left #lisp 21:28:10 external-program doesn't have something that simply returns the result as a string? 21:28:21 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 21:29:35 -!- beach` is now known as beach 21:29:39 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 21:29:52 Good morning everyone! 21:30:16 good evening beach 21:30:50 nikodemus: sorry for the late response. I'm using araneida-0.90.1 21:30:53 madnificent, what's the result of a shell command? The stdout? the stderr? the return code? 21:31:01 I think those should be somewhere, yes. 21:31:22 if not, I can ofcourse copy them to lisppaste's public_html 21:31:42 gkeith_lt: multiple values ;) 21:32:19 gkeith_lt: but the default should be stdout if it's intended for scripting imo. it allows for something similar to pipes 21:32:27 ... and if the stdout is Very Large? 21:32:30 with defalut being the first value 21:32:44 gkeith_lt: it'd be better than what we have now, as always, use your brains 21:32:45 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-148-81.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:32:50 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:34:07 nikodemus: http://www.common-lisp.net/project/araneida/release/ 21:34:48 ehu: araneida still exists? 21:35:29 -!- gkeith_lt [~gkeith@nat/google/x-fkzdvxiomcewagla] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:35:39 Can't you tell by the activity on the cliki page? :P 21:36:25 ok, no dynamic-extent there 21:36:27 sellout-: lisppaste is powered by it! 21:37:18 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:35 i wonder if net-telent-date or parenscript is guilty 21:37:46 haha 21:38:00 but it's really the truncated backtrace that bothers me 21:38:07 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:38:15 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:04 madnificent: it's not Common Lisp, but there's also scsh, a unix scheme shell, with some special syntax for pipes etc 21:40:39 phadthai: I've looked at it in the past. a partial reason for using common lisp is because i'd be able to reuse more libraries than i can now. 21:41:23 nikodemus: same here. it suggests SBCL doesn't "survive" this problem. 21:41:29 <|3b|> is the person reverting spam on cliki someone from here? if so, they like http://www.cliki.net/document too :/ 21:41:44 *|3b|* got bored with that game pretty quickly when i played it :( 21:42:45 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:42:56 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@31.141.22.115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:13 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:43:44 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:43:46 francogrex [~user@109.130.88.109] has joined #lisp 21:43:49 It /is/ a pretty boring game. Need to automate it. 21:43:55 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:17 -!- iwillig [~iwillig@dyn-128-59-150-90.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:44:28 <|3b|> yeah, or add some content/IP blocks 21:44:57 Sure. But that would require somebody with more than just a web connection to cliki. :) 21:45:08 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-62-216.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:56 *francogrex* trying STELLA: really it's not bad at all when loaded from common lisp? Pleasantly surprised 21:48:04 PowerLoom? 21:48:52 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:48:59 ehu: i forgot to ask -- did the restarts work? 21:49:24 I think they did: ended up on the normal REPL prompt. 21:49:26 -!- zomgbie_ [~jesus@84.119.86.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:49:40 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:50:24 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:50:33 ok. inability to backtrace past the signal handler is strange, but not really alarming: that's not exactly a new thing, but it should not happen anymore 21:51:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:45 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:51:51 ehu: x86 or x86-64? 21:51:56 felideon: I didn't know about powerloom, i guess more credits for them 21:52:22 x86 21:52:31 2.6.26 kernel. 21:52:38 linux i686 21:52:59 manual need fleshing out though 21:53:02 mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:03 y3llow_ [~y3llow@111-240-174-124.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:04 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-174-124.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:31 francogrex: no kidding. looks interesting, though 21:53:45 does it do anything special? or is it trying to do everything at once? 21:53:57 (I see an xml parser. that doesn't bode well for my interestedness) (: 21:54:17 -!- morphling [~stefan@95.117.123.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:09 antifuchs: honestly I don't think I'm in the mood to learn the language, but what I find interesting is the translation to cpp, CL and java 21:55:13 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-170-45.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:55:27 -!- y3llow_ is now known as y3llow 21:55:36 so for me it'll be just poking around 21:55:47 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-170-45.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:55:58 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:56:05 francogrex: agreed, that's pretty cool 21:56:34 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h62n2c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:56:56 you can try it it loads pretty well (I used ECL but certainly will be fine with ACL) 21:58:43 -!- aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:59:00 ehu: if you do (= 0 nil), do you get a complete backtrace? 21:59:03 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:00:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:01:53 -!- frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 22:02:02 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:03:17 -!- gilligan_ [~gilligan@p4FEA5E7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:46 MoALTz [~no@92.18.89.40] has joined #lisp 22:08:23 Joreji_ [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:09:00 -!- HG` [~HG@p579F7F2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:10:37 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 22:12:02 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279441148.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:12:49 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 22:12:55 nikodemus: all the way to SB-IMPL::RESTART-LISP 22:13:22 lisppaste: help 22:13:22 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 22:13:42 ok. I was affraid I completely killed it. 22:14:51 -!- rgrau` [~user@62.Red-88-2-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:16:31 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279442417.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:16:42 foocraft_ [~ewanas@89.211.214.224] has joined #lisp 22:16:47 xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has joined #lisp 22:16:51 -!- foocraft [~ewanas@89.211.225.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:17:25 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:17:50 ok. only thing i can think of right now is grepping sources of everything involved for (safety 0) or dynamic-extent 22:19:10 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:19:14 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:18 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:37 nikodemus: thanks. I'll do that (tomorrow) 22:20:01 it's basically my only hope, since the backtrace doesn't tell me enough. 22:20:25 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:51 the closest to the kind of error you're seeing i can get by doing (defun foo (x) (declare (optimize (safety 0)) (apply #'= x)) and doing eg. (foo 123) -- except it's not really even close... 22:21:17 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:26 Joreji_ [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:21:45 I'm off to bed. more tomorrow. night! 22:21:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:52 same here :) 22:21:54 night 22:21:54 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:03 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:25:10 jds` [~user@ppp-70-247-252-221.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:14 -!- felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:26:16 -!- ehu [~ehuels@87.212.64.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:26:25 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:26:56 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:52 killerstorm [~alex_mizr@212.79.118.18] has joined #lisp 22:31:28 hi. how do I print an error? 22:31:32 e.g. (format nil "~a~%" (make-condition 'error "FOo bar baz")) 22:31:32 "Condition ERROR was signalled. 22:31:32 " 22:31:58 I'd like error message instead of 'condition ERROR was signalled.' 22:32:22 lanthan [~ze@46.253.54.75] has joined #lisp 22:33:45 killerstorm: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/sec_9-1-3.html I think this is what you want? 22:35:54 -!- mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:36:15 killerstorm: ERROR isn't a very feature-full error class. 22:36:26 killerstorm: try simple-error with :format-control "foo bar baz" 22:37:52 antifuchs: Should that even have been accepted though? the call to make-condition doesn't seem like it has a slot initialization list. 22:38:51 chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has joined #lisp 22:38:51 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has quit [Changing host] 22:38:51 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 22:39:04 oddly enough, this works for me on sbcl 22:39:06 Ouch. I've totally forgot about simple-error. 22:39:27 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-179-203-38.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:05 Hello, all. Question: If I want to build a CL s-exp in Emacs 22:40:06 lisp and then send it to SBCL via SLIME, how can I achive this? 22:40:06 I've tried (slime-eval ...) but it spewed. All the symbols in my 22:40:06 s-exp had resolved to the package 'swank-io-package'. Many thanks. 22:40:24 maybe there's an initialize-instance which takes &rest (: 22:40:36 -!- centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:41:07 killerstorm: it's usually a better idea to make your own error subtype with its own :report function 22:41:15 ...than to use simple-error 22:41:28 simple-errors are extremely annoying to handle in code that uses yours (: 22:41:48 hmm, can I just subclass simple-error? 22:41:57 better to use error 22:42:20 if you write your own :report function, you don't even have to specify a format control in code that signals the error 22:42:38 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.88.109] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:43:29 -!- qizwiz [~user@64.244.149.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:43:33 centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 22:45:08 Well at this point I'd like to have a general error class which accepts format-control and arguments just like simple-error. 22:45:21 I thought subclassing simple-error would do that, but (define-condition error-for-client (simple-error) 22:45:22 ()) 22:45:22 doesn't really work. 22:45:55 I'm well aware of error conditions with their own slots and that's what I was using before. 22:46:05 But this time I'd like to skimp on FORMAT calls :) 22:49:10 -!- kodovangelis [~kodovange@188-230-154-130.dynamic.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:49:19 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-186-235.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:49:51 I'm not sure what the rules for simple-error subtype reporting are... you might have to have a :report for that one too 22:52:31 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:52:33 Oh, it turns out that "designators for a condition" do not work the way I thought it works: it is either default-type condition (i.e. SIMPLE-ERROR) with format control and stuff OR my own condition type with my own slots. 22:52:57 So I need to write my own macro, it seems. 22:53:01 -!- Guest7175 is now known as xristos 22:54:10 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@95.14.90.206] has left #lisp 22:55:12 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 22:55:21 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:56:33 -!- centipedefarmer_ [~centipede@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:57:58 here's how I do it: http://hpaste.org/47601 23:02:33 -!- jds` [~user@ppp-70-247-252-221.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net] has left #lisp 23:07:49 -!- markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:08:56 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-67-232-203-96.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:00 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:12:29 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-44.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:26 rukubites [~user@d211-30-65-14.meb9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:16:09 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:17:50 jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.15.246] has joined #lisp 23:18:49 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:19:02 CL-API or tinaa? 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23:48:55 *|3b|* would expect O(n), but i don't think it is required 23:49:06 catphive: when you make it 23:49:10 :adjustable t 23:50:03 n pushes would be O(n+k) 23:50:10 or something like that 23:50:21 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:32 but if you go (vector-push-extend c array (length array)) that would double your size of your array 23:53:01 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:11 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.15.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:33 it looks like sbcl does that by default at least... 23:57:54 kruhft: What would k be in O(n+k)? 23:58:09 yeah, I was wondering about that 23:58:47 <|3b|> k=n? 23:59:11 <|3b|> (assuming expansion doubles size and requires a copy)