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or more like scheme? 00:49:45 penryu: about equally different to both. 00:49:50 <|3b|> more like itself 00:50:45 huh. oh, and message passing, too. 00:52:31 Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 00:52:54 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.209.228] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:01 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.209.228] has joined #lisp 00:57:08 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:11 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82EAC8.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:49 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: vervic] 00:59:07 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:59:18 I may be asking too much; even emacs is built against mingw 01:00:36 <|3b|> built with != links with 01:01:02 <|3b|> (no idea if any particular emacs needs mingw to run though) 01:01:15 evening 01:01:16 true. but I was actually looking for one that is 100% native Windows API. 01:02:16 *|3b|* would say just use ccl unless you have some specific problem with it 01:02:22 it is not intended to reflect on the quality of the project; mingw and cygwin are very valuable in allowing quality, posix-only code to be usable on windows. 01:02:45 Intensity [w3LtOPzWFS@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 01:02:49 have been using sbcl for a couple hours (passively) and haven't hit any of the issues I did with ccl. 01:03:02 er... _the_ issue. singular. 01:03:28 antoni [~user@212.pool85-53-5.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 01:03:58 penryu: The (apply + LIST) issue? I am surprised. 01:04:05 hello slyrus 01:04:13 beach: no, the hanging issue. 01:04:14 hey beach! what 01:04:37 slyrus: "what" what? 01:05:37 's new? I'm back from a few disconnected days in the mountains 01:05:38 see next line... 01:05:57 the (apply + LIST) issue is a user issue. the hanging issue seems to be an interpreter issue. 01:06:54 slyrus: I am slowly getting back into working on SICL. Vacation in the mountains, I presume? 01:07:42 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:09:31 -!- centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:10:15 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:10:44 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-17-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:13:10 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 01:14:34 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@64.1.210.2.ptr.us.xo.net] has left #lisp 01:14:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:14:59 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:17:17 beach: sort of. 4th grade class trip to yosemite. not exactly a vacation, definitely not (paid) work. 01:17:38 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:18:34 Wow. 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mingw might be very native imo, compared to against cygwin only 03:04:09 rme [~rme@50.43.149.38] has joined #lisp 03:04:20 and use winapi with native dll dependencies only 03:04:20 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 03:04:41 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 03:04:44 even less dll dependencies than visual studio would require in fact 03:08:33 penryu: I was just browsing the logs and saw that you were havinga problem with the Windows port of ccl. I remember some bugs that sound familiar (perhaps http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/696). Have you tried the trunk ccl? 03:09:26 jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.7.186] has joined #lisp 03:10:05 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 03:13:35 rme: this is actually happening with svn r14810 03:14:06 phadthai: that's true. mingw does tend to result in more links against native windows libs. 03:14:48 phadthai: as I said, it's not meant to reflect the quality of the lisp. it's mostly a point of curiosity for me to see how many projects make a point to port their projects 100% native. 03:15:31 makao007 [3d8ed192@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.142.209.146] has joined #lisp 03:15:35 unfortunately I can't help with the stats though, as I only used SBCL and ECL personally 03:15:35 sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:15:44 I know that ECL supports cygwin, mingw and vs 03:16:25 fwiw, gvim.exe is 100% native, non-mingw, non-cygwin DLLs. 03:16:34 emacs, otoh, links against mingw. 03:16:56 this in no way affects their value; I use both quite a lot. 03:16:57 psilord2 [~psilord@76.201.159.108] has joined #lisp 03:17:03 -!- psilord2 [~psilord@76.201.159.108] has left #lisp 03:17:07 ... when I'm on windows, I mean. 03:17:44 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:01 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@64.1.210.2.ptr.us.xo.net] has left #lisp 03:18:54 penryu: Well, if there's a bug in ccl there, I'd like to find it. Any chance you can provide instructions to duplicate the problem, prefereably as a Trac ticket or as a message to openmcl-devel? 03:19:20 felideon [~felideon@adsl-98-64-196-82.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:20:05 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 03:20:08 rme: I haven't been able to reproduce it in any deterministic fashion, unfortunately. when I get a chance, I will see if I can find one. 03:20:16 antoni` [~user@212.pool85-53-5.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 03:21:51 penryu: Thanks. 03:23:15 -!- antoni [~user@212.pool85-53-5.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:08 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has joined #lisp 03:40:41 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.149.38] has left #lisp 03:44:42 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: night] 03:46:10 -!- makao007 [3d8ed192@gateway/web/freenode/ip.61.142.209.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:54:12 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:57:30 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:01:03 -!- antoni` [~user@212.pool85-53-5.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:02:41 -!- centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:05:11 fusss [~chatzilla@lushevents.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:18 hi, anybody have a snippet for using an enum type as :col-type for postmodern? I don't see any consideration for ENUM in EXPAND-TABLE-COLUMN, but enums are "supported" otherwise 04:07:02 do you guys normally use the CLOS-system? 04:07:29 <|3b|> it would take some effort to avoid it 04:08:14 JohnnyL: yeah, impossible to write any substantial amounts of Lisp without it, realy 04:08:38 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-235.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 04:08:53 <|3b|> well, without it or implementing some replacement for it on your own, which seems like a silly idea for the general case 04:10:19 -!- Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.42.209.228] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:28 hm. I am not at all sure what rms doesn't like keywords in Lisp. I find them quite suitable (for my limited experience in Lisp). 04:11:26 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has joined #lisp 04:15:13 -!- chp [~chp@2001:da8:a000:155:5eff:35ff:fe0c:c3ef] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:27 chp [~chp@2001:da8:a000:155:5eff:35ff:fe0c:c3ef] has joined #lisp 04:23:24 -!- Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:24:44 callen [~callen@unaffiliated/callen] has joined #lisp 04:25:33 cmpitg_ [~cmpitg@113.22.111.49] has joined #lisp 04:27:26 JohnnyL: I think that a symbolic language would be crippled without an equivalent 04:28:27 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.100.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:28:28 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:28:29 phadthai: k 04:28:47 i tend to disagree. 04:29:04 It's nicer to read and probably better for larger project imho. 04:29:22 -!- madrik [~madrik@122.168.231.254] has left #lisp 04:29:28 to not have keywords? 04:30:10 I was agreeing with your earlier sentence btw :) 04:30:51 ah ha. no, keywords is nice to have. 04:31:32 I had mean't CLOS actually. 04:31:47 ah 04:33:01 clos is a fad, smart money is on FLAVOURS 04:33:06 structs is an alternative, but CLOS is powerful and suits better dynamic interactive development 04:33:09 fusss: :)) 04:33:15 heh. 04:34:59 yet in some cases structs may still be prefered for speed (access may be inlined as well as slot index at compile time) 04:36:28 Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 04:36:54 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:38:28 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-176-90.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Offline] 04:40:56 -!- redline6561-work [~redline65@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 04:42:24 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has joined #lisp 04:44:34 JohnnyL: I admire many things about RMS, but even he can be wrong somtimes. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Just go on with your life as usual. 04:45:24 haha 04:46:41 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:46:48 somehow reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ 04:49:32 kushal [~kdas@nat/redhat/x-rpwoaivbacshuarg] has joined #lisp 04:49:33 -!- kushal [~kdas@nat/redhat/x-rpwoaivbacshuarg] has quit [Changing host] 04:49:33 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:50:00 -!- Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:54:30 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:49 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:54:59 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-100.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:58:20 -!- markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:59:07 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 05:00:04 -!- emef [~user@c-71-231-64-121.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:09 -!- JohnnyL [~IceChat7@ool-4a5a7407.dyn.optonline.net] has left #lisp 05:02:16 Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:03:41 -!- felideon [~felideon@adsl-98-64-196-82.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:07:21 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:29 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 05:07:31 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-136-104.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:12:46 Quadresce [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:13:55 -!- Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:14:02 -!- Quadresce is now known as Quadrescence 05:15:31 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-136-104.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:19:31 Eataix [~eataix@130.56.86.90] has joined #lisp 05:21:50 -!- Eataix [~eataix@130.56.86.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:22:09 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 05:22:32 Is there some minimal client for swank in CL? 05:23:34 Eataix [~eataix@130.56.86.90] has joined #lisp 05:26:03 -!- Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:30:31 drdo: not yet, that I've been able to find. But there should be one before tool long. I figure that's going to be a reasonable first step for climacs' equivalent. 05:30:39 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-154-13.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:37 If we can add that in, then it may just bring it over the threshold of being "useful for real work" for lots more people. 05:31:56 s/before tool long/before too long/ 05:32:33 Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:35:13 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-154-13.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:35:53 -!- Eataix [~eataix@130.56.86.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:39 I wasn't actually thinking about climacs, but i guess it would be useful there as well 05:39:21 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kmlemglqvwzjjruo] has joined #lisp 05:41:58 -!- OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:45:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47:23 Quadresce [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:49:08 anonchik [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 05:49:29 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 05:49:37 -!- Quadrescence [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:51:07 Quadresce` [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 05:51:20 -!- Quadresce` [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:41 -!- Quadresce [~quadbook@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53:48 drdo: I mention that specifically because that's the context from which I was looking for it, but what I'm aiming to produce is a CL client that then just happens to get bolted onto climacs, so it should be suitable for whatever you have in mind. 05:54:50 Having said that, it's happening in such spare moments as I find, so there's no guarantee whatsoever regarding _when_ I'll produce it, so think of this as reassurance that there *will* be one, rather than a reason to stop looking and wait 'til I publish it :) 05:55:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 05:55:39 well, just a single client to eval expressions and get the result should be easy 05:55:44 *simple 05:55:53 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has joined #lisp 05:59:37 -!- rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Quit: (* (! t) nil)] 06:04:02 Well, I've started working through the .el code to find the stuff that actually passes stuff back and forth across the network, and separate it from the upper-layer functions. Through that, I'm building up a functional spec that effectively documents the protocol, from whence I can implement a nicely low-level client library in CL. 06:05:48 I *could* just transliterate the .el by hacking at it until it compiles and runs, but I'd much rather produce something that works within CL's native idioms. 06:08:18 -!- michael_lf [~michael@117.32.153.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:08:36 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:11:04 wizardcloud_adam [~wizardclo@221.215.255.34] has joined #lisp 06:11:27 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:34 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:14:37 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:17:55 hello #lisp 06:19:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:20:05 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:20:11 cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has joined #lisp 06:20:12 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 06:20:45 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 06:21:41 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:24:35 Hello kiuma 06:25:15 hello can someone explain me how quicklisp work ? I have sbcl-1.0.47 and slime/swank both provided by gentoo system and quicklisp. asdf:*central-registry* returns (#P"/home/kiuma/quicklisp/quicklisp/" #P"/usr/share/common-lisp/systems/"). whenI call (asdf:load-system :swank) I get back "Loading system definition from /usr/share/common-lisp/source/swank/swank.asd". I'd expect sbcl/asdf to load quicklisp' provided one. how can I do that ? 06:25:41 *how does wiocklisp work 06:26:10 Hello 06:26:48 OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has joined #lisp 06:29:22 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:30:29 good morning 06:31:02 -!- catphive [~user@50-46-167-81.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:52 Hi 06:35:07 -!- wizardcloud_adam [~wizardclo@221.215.255.34] has left #lisp 06:36:02 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36:35 I managed to solve my issue writing file: ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/quicklisp.conf with "(:tree #P"/home/kiuma/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/")" 06:36:45 is it the correct solution ? 06:38:35 -!- benny [~benny@i577A31C5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41:29 -!- cmpitg_ [~cmpitg@113.22.111.49] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:41:48 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.111.49] has joined #lisp 06:42:35 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:45:27 what's the difference between the various cl-json/yason thinggies? 06:45:37 did one of them get renamed? 06:45:58 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has joined #lisp 06:46:25 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:31 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has joined #lisp 06:48:00 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:06 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:50:18 -!- pnq [~nick@AC816E47.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:51:35 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has joined #lisp 06:53:17 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.26.165] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 06:56:52 splittist [~splittist@194-109.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 06:57:41 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59:18 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59:28 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has joined #lisp 07:00:26 adu_ [~ajr@pool-96-255-9-175.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:21 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-19-160.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:04:33 jingtao` [~jingtaozf@123.120.7.186] has joined #lisp 07:04:33 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.7.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-235.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:05 -!- tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:09:31 -!- adu_ is now known as adu 07:10:20 lifeng [~lifeng@155.69.43.14] has joined #lisp 07:10:50 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-74-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:11:09 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-98-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:11:16 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 07:11:32 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:11:52 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 07:13:01 b3gott3n [~frank@184-8-161-212.dr03.blfd.wv.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 07:14:42 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@155.69.43.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:14:50 is lisp being used for quantam programming? 07:17:14 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 07:20:31 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:21:35 Buganini_ [~buganini@2001:288:c237:0:dead:beef:cafe:babe] has joined #lisp 07:22:36 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has joined #lisp 07:23:05 b3gott3n: what do you mean by quantam programming? I thought that was computing in the domain of quantum physics, using things like entanglement and collapsing waveforms. Are you talking about simulation of that kind of thing? 07:24:13 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:24:34 i can has quantum computah? 07:24:40 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:25:09 you can adu 07:25:24 But it's expensive. 07:25:45 i guess i can just google shit 07:25:52 http://www.schloerconsulting.com/quantum-computer-q-lisp-programming-language 07:26:11 b3gott3n: please send it to: here @ 101 here st. here city, HR 10101 07:26:34 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.199.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:27:09 adu i'll make sure it gets there yesterday 07:27:13 -!- Buganini_ is now known as Buganini 07:27:42 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:11 so how do you see xml and lisp as being similar adu? 07:29:30 wow, did I say that? 07:29:33 when? 07:29:36 -!- lanthan__ [~ze@p54B7F5A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:29:37 the future 07:30:03 btw, it didn't arrive yet 07:30:29 unless there's some other timeline in which I did receive it 07:30:45 the timeline where there's a hot cup of tea to power it. 07:32:29 b3gott3n: anyways, besides the obvious mapping ( http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/SXML.html ), there are other similarities, namely when XSLT is considered 07:32:33 A strong brownian motion producer? 07:32:46 johnt [~user@175.124.94.167] has joined #lisp 07:33:04 indeed 07:33:05 lisp just happens to be its own XSLT 07:33:40 hmm 07:33:42 thinking about that 07:33:55 antoszka: sounds DougAdamsy 07:34:24 adu: Yeah, sprung back into my memory from a ca. 1989 reading. 07:34:42 antoszka got the reference perfectly 07:35:20 b3gott3n: but seriously, why do you ask? 07:37:19 I think there are things more similar to lisp than XML 07:37:27 e.g. Mathematica 07:38:48 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 07:39:26 i was reading your blog 07:39:42 i just never thought of a simliarity to xml 07:40:16 ah, straymindcough? 07:40:50 that's me 07:41:38 si 07:41:54 I also had a couple posts this year, but I dropped off after I went to Japan 07:42:07 benny` [~benny@i577A1A1C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:43:20 -!- markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:43:33 how was japan? 07:43:36 pre or post quake? 07:43:49 i want to be a lisp programmer when i grow up 07:43:50 I was there for the quake 07:44:03 in what area? 07:44:08 it was mild where I was, it just felt like a train was going by 07:44:08 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-135-132.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 07:44:16 Osaka, about 400 mi from the epicenter 07:44:44 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 07:45:22 b3gott3n: anyways, I've been working on my new site: http://drosoft.org/drosera 07:45:26 if you're interested 07:46:20 do you ahve a github? 07:46:28 no, all my code is local 07:47:00 the stuff that isn't local can be found: http://drosoft.org/ajr 07:47:13 under "Software" 07:47:29 most of it is also available from hackage 07:47:37 o crap i need to put language-go on there 07:48:05 i'm a pianist too 07:48:07 :) 07:48:11 :) 07:48:26 i wish every day i didn't spend 4 years of college at it 07:48:35 but maybe one day i'll get over that 07:48:55 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-135-132.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:56 at a piano? 07:50:21 yes 07:50:47 wow at least you got in 07:51:02 I was rejected from about 10 different music schools 07:51:39 -!- nikodemus changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL officially in Git, SBCL 1.0.49 released, slime-indentation changes in CVS, usocket 0.5.2, common-lisp.net is up again, ABCL 0.25 07:52:27 b3gott3n: so what's your interest in lisp? 07:53:14 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:24 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-150-156.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:31 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-19-210.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:54:28 my school was really easy to get in 07:54:34 did you try Berklee? 07:54:39 i love AI 07:54:43 and lisp is great 07:55:09 i learned about it when i interned at mit doing some web design for a NLP project and the whole backend was in lisp 07:55:12 was very intersting 07:56:15 Eataix [~eataix@130.56.86.90] has joined #lisp 07:57:03 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-96-255-9-175.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:58:37 I'm out of ideas, but how do I specialize a method to just objects of STANDARD-CLASS metaclass, instead of instances of an specific class? 07:58:50 tomaw_ [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 07:59:07 Why do you want to do that? 07:59:30 nunb [~nundan@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 07:59:55 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-135-132.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 08:00:01 Xach: in buildapp.lisp you pass the result of probe-file to sb-ext:native-namestring; what's the probe-file there for? 08:00:12 I need to specialize PRINT-OBJECT for elements of DAO-CLASS metaclass 08:00:28 Xach: My guess is to get the truename? 08:00:31 fusss: (defun foo (x) (foo-using-class x (class-of x))) (defmethod foo-using-class (x (class standard-class)) ...) 08:01:03 nikodemus: that made me laugh, thanks :-) 08:01:22 -!- Guthur [c743cb8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.67.203.141] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01:37 fusss: you should usually have a STANDARD-DAO-OBJECT for a DAO-CLASS, and arrange all instances of to inherit from it 08:01:53 but FOO-USING-CLASS was no joke, that's the way to dispatch on the metaclass 08:03:14 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:03:14 nikodemus: heyyy, that second one was actually what I was thinking. I already have a db-mixin class which takes care of magic like automatic ID fields & auditing 08:03:30 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-159-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:03:54 nikodemus: it's funny because a few weeks back someone told about the (class-of (class-of object)) meta-regression trick 08:04:15 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:04:20 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-135-132.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:33 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-157-5.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:05:42 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-178-201-97.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:06:53 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.166.119.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:09:51 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 08:12:57 -!- tomaw_ is now known as tomaw__ 08:14:33 -!- tomaw__ is now known as tomaw 08:14:59 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@lushevents.net] has quit 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I'd like the position... 10:18:25 clhs search 10:18:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_search.htm 10:18:26 SEARCH 10:18:51 yes, thanks ... just found it 10:18:56 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:19:44 -!- The_Fellow [~The_Fello@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19:57 pnq [~nick@AC810679.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 10:21:19 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:21:26 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:21:28 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 10:22:13 -!- rednum [~bizon@fortes3.fortes.com.pl] has quit [Quit: exit] 10:22:24 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 10:24:03 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.109.118.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25:39 rainyrhy [~rainyrhy@bb119-74-117-19.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 10:27:26 vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 10:28:24 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5B3263DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:28:35 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082BFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:09 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 10:29:47 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 10:31:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:31:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 10:31:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:32:50 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.42.3] has joined #lisp 10:33:42 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:33:51 gaidal [~gaidal@113.109.118.224] has joined #lisp 10:34:25 If anyone who knows about CommonQt wants to look at this https://github.com/splittist/qt-tutorial-app and tell me where I've gone wrong, I'd be grateful. 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[~add^_^@h109n7c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: add^_] 12:41:27 kiuma: No. 12:42:12 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:42:34 -!- Reaper507 [~Reaper507@mna75-11-88-161-196-58.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 12:42:49 mmm... 12:43:01 I've seen :/ 12:43:04 where do i read about SBCL moving to Git? 12:43:10 jdz: planet.lisp.org 12:43:14 jdz: sbcl-devel also 12:43:30 oh, it's fresh 12:43:52 tsanhwa [~user@2001:da8:8001:111:222:68ff:fe14:6de] has joined #lisp 12:47:36 sellout- [~Adium@195.54.148.98] has joined #lisp 12:48:07 Harag [~phil@dsl-242-251-166.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:52:51 Xach: feed links at the bottom of http://sbcl.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=sbcl/sbcl.git;a=summary 12:53:40 thanks 12:53:46 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 12:53:55 ChibaPet [~mason@74.203.221.34] has joined #lisp 12:55:57 -!- amb007 [~a_bakic@240.29.195.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 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-!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:09:11 hello guys, if i get a typer error what is the best way to debug it? can i get a reference where in the code might it happen? 15:09:14 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 15:09:16 -r 15:09:39 mcstar: if you use sbcl, you can use "v" on a frame to jump to the source location. 15:09:53 i use slime 15:10:01 mcstar: there you go. 15:10:17 so i just press v in the debugger buffer? 15:10:32 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:10:34 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 15:10:42 mcstar: in the backtrace there is a list of frames. if you put the cursor on a frame and hit v, it'll go to that frame's source. 15:10:56 mcstar: it depends on your situation, but it might give you insight into what's failing and why. 15:11:24 mcstar: if the code is relatively short, another debugging option is to paste the code & the error message to paste.lisp.org and wait for 10 trained experts to examine it 15:11:35 zomgbie [~jesus@84-119-93-228.static.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:11:38 oh no, stassats isn't here. only 9 trained experts. 15:11:47 lol ty xach 15:12:12 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-117-114.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:12:32 it can happen somewhere in 50 lines 15:12:33 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-176-90.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:12:58 i guess i should study the slime debugger right? 15:12:58 -!- centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:13:00 mcstar: you can get more detailed locations by using C-u C-c C-c to compile the function. 15:13:15 that enables a higher level of debug, and "v" will jump straight to an individual form. 15:13:29 ill try that thanks 15:15:26 and another thing which isnt related 15:15:49 vim highlights every buil-in function name, not just macros, but emacs highlights only macros 15:16:01 is there a way to make it do so? 15:16:15 mcstar: customize the face. 15:16:52 Or maybe not. I don't know. 15:17:09 so emacs knows about the string being the name of a function, its only that the colorscheme isnt set up to do so? 15:17:21 ok 15:18:33 centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 15:18:36 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:18:37 Atomsk [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:41 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has joined #lisp 15:19:55 add^_^ [~add^_^@h87n5c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 15:20:45 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.196.119] has joined #lisp 15:21:12 -!- joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:21:54 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h80n3c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:21:54 -!- add^_^ is now known as add^_ 15:24:46 zomgbie_ [~jesus@85-127-215-72.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:25:20 -!- sellout- [~Adium@195.54.148.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:25:40 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84-119-93-228.static.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27:00 sacho [~sacho@95-42-117-114.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 15:28:43 -!- Yuzu- [~yuzuchan@p2220-ipad61osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: I Quit] 15:29:00 -!- zomgbie_ [~jesus@85-127-215-72.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:36 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:46 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-181.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:31:22 lol i have a really weird error: the code compiles ok, then i add a line of debug code, a simple print, starting from the beginning of the line, and this time the compilers throws an error of unmatched close parantheses 15:31:50 oudeis [~oudeis@82.166.248.14] has joined #lisp 15:31:56 if i put a space in front of it, it compiles ok again 15:32:00 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:32:29 -!- chp [~chp@2001:da8:a000:155:5eff:35ff:fe0c:c3ef] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33:31 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 15:35:09 mcstar: you're not using paredit? 15:35:23 no 15:35:23 kenjin2202 [~kenjin@218.235.8.175] has joined #lisp 15:35:35 well that's your problem right there, hehe 15:35:59 seriously though, check it out 15:36:33 even if you don't use all the functionality the auto closing parenthesis feature is nearly enough in itself 15:36:45 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 15:36:56 but there is a handy cheatsheet as well which will let you get the chords you need the most 15:37:10 parantheses are a-okay 15:37:20 i debugged myself 15:37:31 -!- rednum [~bizon@fortes3.fortes.com.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:37:32 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-181.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:37:33 cool, but you should check it oyut 15:37:35 out* 15:37:52 the problem is that the emacs shortcut that compiles the function that xach gave me gets confused 15:37:54 paredit that is, you'll be glad you did, I almost guarantee it 15:37:57 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 15:38:44 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@82.166.248.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:51 so if the code is not properly indented, the compile shortcut compiles the wrong region of code 15:39:04 mcstar: are you LOADing the code, or via something like slime that tries to identify the correct fragment? 15:39:10 oudeis [~oudeis@82.166.248.14] has joined #lisp 15:39:17 If the latter, parentheses on column 0 will confuse a lot of things. 15:39:17 Guthur: that was almost a Men's Wearhouse commercial 15:39:19 cu cc cc via slime 15:39:44 pkhuong: im a newbie, and it confised me as well 15:39:47 ill watch out 15:39:57 i->u 15:40:24 penryu: hehe, I'll admit I don't even know what men's wearhouse is 15:40:55 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@82.166.248.14] has quit [Client Quit] 15:41:02 Guthur: im tried paredit in vim, slicing splicing and all that goodness, but for the time being its more of an annoyance than it is useful 15:41:02 Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:41:23 mcstar: such parentheses are highlighted in emacs. 15:42:04 [6502] [58959a57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.149.154.87] has joined #lisp 15:42:13 sry such? 15:43:11 <[6502]> hello, is hunchentoot/sbcl functional on windows? i remember that when I used to start a server from the repl i was getting the prompt back but this doesn't happen on this pc (windows xp) 15:45:39 sellout- [~Adium@195.54.148.98] has joined #lisp 15:45:54 <[6502]> and when i tried the "new-york approach" by typing the handler first (so i could have the prompt back) and starting the server after i got a bad crash (access violation) when accessing the page from the browser... 15:46:42 mcstar: on column 0. 15:47:14 [6502]: you'll have to use the fork to have threads on sbcl/windows. 15:47:22 hi 15:47:26 As for the access violation, I have no clue. 15:47:40 please how can I add an optional parameter to a defmethod declaration? Thanks 15:47:44 you might have better luck with ccl on windows. 15:48:27 Posterdati: you just do it. 15:48:41 <[6502]> pkhuong: oh... i found indeed some posts talking about windows sbcl not having threads but they were from 2008 so i thought it was an old issue 15:48:53 [6502]: it is. It's also still current. 15:48:57 -!- a5h15h [~a5h15h@unaffiliated/a5h15h] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:49:03 <[6502]> fade: thanks i'll give it a try 15:49:27 (defmethod ((theclass class) &optional (optvar initval))) ) 15:49:59 mcstar: Tx, I did &optional (debug-mode nil) 15:50:01 <[6502]> if doesn't work it's not a big issue, i'll use a linux machine instead 15:50:21 [6502]: right. or a VM. 15:50:32 mcstar: didn't work 15:50:53 Posterdati: ill check 15:51:14 is the method empty? 15:51:14 [6502]: there's a disconnect between the people who can fix windows threading and their interest in doing so. 15:51:20 mcstar: no 15:51:26 it's coming along, but it's obviously not a priority. 15:51:26 ok 15:51:28 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:31 <[6502]> pkhuong: hehehe... i remember that in a VM running linux an svn checkout was so much faster than on the host machine :-D 15:51:32 oudeis [~oudeis@82.166.248.14] has joined #lisp 15:52:03 Fade: it's worse than that. You need pretty good windows internals expertise, along with some SBCL-fu, and interest. 15:52:16 cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 15:52:19 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:52:27 -!- centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:52:50 <[6502]> fade: indeed i'm not sure how many people are today interested in having sbcl working right and full-featured on a windows machine. 15:53:00 [6502]: a ton. 15:53:30 <[6502]> pkhuong: really ? for client applications written in SBCL ? 15:53:47 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:53:54 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:54:19 I know nyef was looking at it awhile ago, but i think he got discouraged, or lost interest. 15:54:36 *[6502]* thinks that client software is dead 15:54:43 tippenein [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:08 -!- bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Adios] 15:55:16 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55:47 <[6502]> html5 on clients, software on servers (and not windows servers unless you're a masochist :-D) 15:56:00 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has joined #lisp 15:56:46 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:16 <[6502]> did you guys see bellard's virtual linux machine in javascript? 15:57:39 -!- sellout- [~Adium@195.54.148.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:58:00 <[6502]> http://bellard.org/jslinux/ 16:00:20 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h87n5c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:23 Posterdati: it works for me, i just had to provide a generic function for it 16:00:41 -!- _pw_ [~user@125.34.52.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:43 this changes the lambda list that the methods will accept 16:01:25 _pw_ [~user@125.34.52.49] has joined #lisp 16:01:50 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.56] has quit [Quit: Reboot.] 16:03:50 -!- sacho [~sacho@95-42-117-114.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:05:19 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.56] has joined #lisp 16:05:29 mcstar: I restarted swank and it worked for me too, thanks 16:06:31 add^_ [~add^_^@h175n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 16:06:45 -!- pnq [~nick@AC823FF5.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 16:06:55 Posterdati: you can do it without restarting by fmakunbound on the function. 16:07:48 Xach: I didn't know that, thanks 16:08:18 enthymeme [~kraken@96.31.242.194] has joined #lisp 16:08:55 Xach I cound Lisp characteristic to only bound values to variables very comfortable :) 16:09:05 s/cound/found 16:09:43 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:10:04 Posterdati: all I can say, is that index is one dire sore in C. 16:10:42 Xach: it's actually the simplest thing to do in a computer :) Respect to c/c++ one could waste large amount of memory using variables that is not the case in many applications 16:11:22 pjb: :) I came from c/c++ too and it is prone to values/variables duplication :) 16:11:38 Posterdati: I don't understand a bit of that. 16:11:45 lol 16:13:10 Xach: I mean, in c/c++ every variable declarations reserve memory for it, so a = b actually copy memory too... 16:13:59 (i cant imagine a more efficient passing of variables than using pointers) 16:13:59 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:08 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:14:10 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.155.7] has joined #lisp 16:14:12 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:14:25 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h175n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:14:39 as far as i can tell lisp does the same thing for complex data i.e. not atoms 16:15:04 kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-xgmhggxhjjxrnwve] has joined #lisp 16:15:59 ehu [~ehuels@109.34.15.250] has joined #lisp 16:16:16 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-62-138-101.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:17:03 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 16:18:53 <[6502]> Error: Cannot IMPORT "DELETE-DIRECTORY" from package "CCL" 16:19:41 <[6502]> using CLL/windows (load ... setup.lisp") created by quicklisp 16:19:50 <[6502]> CCL 16:20:03 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@82.166.248.14] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:20:29 tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:20:30 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:51 [6502]: Get a newer version of CCL. 16:21:05 <[6502]> xach: ok i'll try 16:21:06 add^_ [~add^_^@h175n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 16:21:09 How do I set the number of columns for SLIME output? It seem ignore the actual width of the buffer and wrap at 72 or 80. 16:21:12 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 16:21:50 -!- jlf`` [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:53 LiamH: adjust *print-right-margin*? 16:22:05 (not a slime thing, though maybe slime could help keep it adjusted) 16:22:11 antoni [~user@72.pool85-53-34.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 16:22:11 jlf`` [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 16:23:07 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-157-5.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:19 Xach: indeed, that works. It would be nice if that were picked up from emacs. 16:23:34 LiamH: http://pastebin.com/F4WCSmJL 16:23:42 you need to set a swank variable. 16:23:47 ehu` [~ehuels@109.34.233.111] has joined #lisp 16:24:08 -!- jlf`` [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has left #lisp 16:24:49 pjb: Which variable is it that does that? 16:24:59 -!- armence [~armence@unaffiliated/armence] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25:14 *print-right-margin* 16:25:34 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.34.15.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:26:07 pjb: but then if my window is <1000 wide, there's only emacs ugly wrap, not pretty printing 16:26:23 rednum [~bizon@fortes3.fortes.com.pl] has joined #lisp 16:26:30 Then set it to 80 or 72. 16:27:41 <[6502]> xach: worked with latest CCL... thanks 16:27:43 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:33 LiamH: there are also:swank:*macroexpand-printer-bindings* and swank:*swank-pprint-bindings* 16:28:33 16:28:42 -!- ericklc is now known as ikki 16:28:54 For normal output, perhaps the last one is the right one. 16:29:08 <[6502]> xach: and hunchentoot also worked fine 16:29:10 -!- frito [~user@86.7.68.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:57 HG` [~HG@p5DC055D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:12 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.159.85] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:30:52 [6502]: o happy day 16:32:48 <[6502]> xach: quicklisp is really good :-) 16:33:37 -!- Atomsk is now known as ace4016 16:34:44 <[6502]> xach: if there is anything i can do to help (consider I'm almost a lisp analphabet) just ask and I'll try 16:34:44 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:49 hmph. sbcl needs some googlejuice. it's only #6 for "common lisp compiler" 16:35:13 [6502]: can you tell me the minimum versions of each CL implementation needed to run quicklisp? 16:35:25 [6502]: for example, i know ccl 1.4 is too old because it doesn't have delete-directory. 16:35:56 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.42.3] has joined #lisp 16:36:20 <[6502]> xach: how can i do clean-room experiments ? just removing ~/quicklisp ? 16:36:52 oh, cool. my freebie adword for that is still running 16:36:56 [6502]: remove or rename 16:36:58 <[6502]> xach: or it's necessary to use a VM? 16:37:03 <[6502]> oh... ok 16:37:08 frito [~user@86.7.68.14] has joined #lisp 16:37:21 [6502]: i don't think you need to do that, though. it should suffice to just load ~/quicklisp/setup.lisp in each 16:37:59 <[6502]> xach: nah... starting from (load "quicklisp.lisp") is not a big problem... and probably tests more things no? 16:37:59 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:23 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:35 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:39:00 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:39:03 [6502]: I think it's a waste of time, though. 16:39:04 -!- e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-sxqcrzqugndduxvp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:32 <[6502]> xach : ok 16:39:42 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.190.149] has joined #lisp 16:40:35 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@109.34.233.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:40:37 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:40:41 ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.247.57] has joined #lisp 16:41:41 tcr1 [~tcr@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:41:42 sacho [~sacho@87-126-53-242.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 16:41:42 <[6502]> xach: clisp 2.45 doesn't work for example 16:42:29 [6502]: compiling that info into a paste would be helpful 16:42:44 HET2 [~diman@cpc12-cdif12-2-0-cust276.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:44:17 bfein [~bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:44:21 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.190.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:45:27 <[6502]> xach: ok i will try as many implementations i can and will prepare a table of what i find (including the error message); is (load "setup.lisp") enought or should i do for example (ql:quickload :something) ? what package should I use? 16:45:59 [6502]: loading setup should suffice, though quickloading vecto would also be interesting. 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[d8c385bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.195.133.189] has quit [Client Quit] 18:45:36 turbofail [~user@c-107-3-149-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:50 milanj: anything that is visible via asdf's source registry can be loaded with quicklisp. 18:46:02 milanj: and it is loaded in preference to anything of the same name also available in quicklisp. 18:46:44 yes, but it can't download packages ? 18:46:55 Xach: that loading preference I did not know about, that is good news!!! 18:47:24 milanj: it can, if you want to set up archives and indexes. 18:47:28 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-139-65.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:31 i mean, it would be nice if somehow i can create repo of my packages 18:47:35 and install it with quicklisp 18:47:36 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has joined #lisp 18:47:54 milanj: you can, though the process is not documented or stable yet. 18:48:13 It involves looking at the data files and code to figure out how to do it, which is not nearly easy enough. 18:48:22 TDT [~TDT@5317-nat01.eng.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 18:48:38 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-139-65.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:49:16 Hey all. I was curious, is there an easier way to write this example, something more clean: https://gist.github.com/1010809 Also it appears paste.lisp.org is down 18:50:24 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-139-65.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:52:04 TDT: you could write a function that reads a single element from the stream, and don't mix reading & creating an element with deciding whether to stuff it into some list elsewhere. 18:53:33 Alright that makes sense, I'll make those changes 18:53:41 And you don't seem to use X anywhere. 18:53:45 homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-139-65.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:53:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:54:24 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-199-173.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:58 Hmm I'm surprised i left that in there. Good eye, i totally missed that 18:55:00 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.196.119] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:55:19 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d852545.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: WTF? leaving!] 18:55:23 -!- cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:55:26 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d852545.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:37 TDT: might also be useful to have a (split-into-plist string keys) where you split on the delimiter and pair up each value with a key, and error if there's a mismatch. avoid that destructure/cons garbage. 18:55:52 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:53 though it looks like you do need some conversion. 18:56:17 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:33 -!- derekv [~derekv@c-68-62-78-203.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:56:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:57:03 derekv [~derekv@c-68-62-78-203.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:15 I don't see split-into-plist in clhs, is there a library for that? 18:57:30 No. Just write it. 18:57:54 But it would need some specification for converting certain fields. 18:58:18 *Xach* is throwing out ideas, not specifications 18:58:53 Which I appreciate. the chr isn't really necessary, it's mostly a readability thing..I could do without it 18:59:40 It's only necessary when I go into the sqlite db, for querying, but I could add that on. The rest doesn't look like I'll need to do much to it. I could append num-snps to the a-list easily enough 19:01:26 workthrick [~mathrick@emp.nat.sdu.dk] has joined #lisp 19:02:03 Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@1807ds2-noe.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 19:02:57 cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:05:04 pyrony [~epic@office1.klout.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:16 bsod1 [~sinan@188.58.156.117] has joined #lisp 19:07:33 -!- sellout- [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:07:51 sellout- [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 19:10:40 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC0543C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:11:32 Hi guys, I'm new around here and have a newbie CL question. Is the preference to use pastebin or something similar for the code? 19:11:52 paste.lisp.org 19:11:54 paste.lisp.org is mostly used....but it's down, I use github...I don't think it matters much 19:12:11 okay 19:12:14 -!- workthrick [~mathrick@emp.nat.sdu.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:25 yeah I tried paste.lisp but saw it was down 19:12:42 Anyways, I have a macro question: http://pastebin.com/Jzt8dfUw 19:13:37 When I call (foo 3), the REPL dies at trying to evaluate the list returned by (bar), which I wouldn't expect. Why doesn't the list returned by (bar) simply get spliced into the list formed by the macro? 19:13:56 You use ,@ for splicing, not 19:13:57 , 19:13:59 oh 19:14:00 dun 19:14:02 duh* 19:14:23 can't believe I missed that (I *just* read about ,@). thanks! 19:14:57 Also, x isn't used, you should do ,x 19:15:02 well, i still get the same error 19:15:53 BARX: variable A has no value 19:16:03 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:04 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:16:22 vervic [~vervic@v254-122.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 19:16:22 Do (macroexpand-1 '(foo 3)) and see if you can find the problem. 19:16:27 okay thanks 19:16:39 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has joined #lisp 19:16:56 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 19:17:38 I wish I could annotate that paste 19:17:41 What I did was: 19:17:42 -!- algorist [~quassel@host52-175-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:17:56 (defmacro foo (x) `(list 1 2 ,x (bar))) 19:18:19 seemed to work fine for me, returns (1 2 5 (A B C)) 19:18:29 Well, it depends on what aleron wants it to do, though judging by the names it's just for learning 19:18:53 it is 19:19:00 what? you're saying that "foo" isn't a descriptive, and awesome, function name :)? 19:19:02 algorist_ [~quassel@host52-175-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:19:08 I'm going through PCL and just got introduced to splicing and macros 19:19:33 yeah actually foo has a very specific meaning in the algebraic type system I'm modeling ^_^ 19:19:38 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:55 aleron: Well, if you haven't figured out the problem, it's that (foo 3) evaluates to (list 1 2 3 a b c), which is then executed, and executing (list 1 2 3 a b c) is an error if a b and c are unbound. 19:21:19 right 19:23:03 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:23:07 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:23:15 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0119.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 19:24:55 okay 19:25:13 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:25:13 this got me what I wanted: (defmacro foo (x) `'(1 2 ,x ,@(bar))) 19:25:30 although I have to admit I'm really thrown off by the `' bit 19:26:30 I would think that since there's a ' before the list that ,/,@ would get ignored 19:28:47 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 19:28:47 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 19:28:47 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:29:08 because you are using macro in wrong way 19:29:17 if you just want to return list use function 19:30:02 gotcha 19:30:03 thanks 19:30:50 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA28517.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:33:27 -!- replore [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:04 -!- homie [~levent.gu@xdsl-78-35-139-65.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:36:46 -!- cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41:15 ramus_ [~ramus@adsl-99-136-198-29.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:11 -!- ramus [~ramus@adsl-99-23-153-105.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:22 -!- ramus_ [~ramus@adsl-99-136-198-29.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:43:41 ramus [~ramus@adsl-99-136-198-29.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:41 lanthan [~ze@p54B7E429.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:21 -!- tippenein [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:46:50 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:47:22 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@188.58.156.117] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:34 -!- sellout- [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has left #lisp 19:47:47 sellout- [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 19:48:07 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-184-32-11-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:37 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:50:14 cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:50:45 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@p11811120.orange.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 19:55:09 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:55:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:55:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-83.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:56:29 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:57:00 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:24 rgrau [~user@67.Red-83-58-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:28 aleron: notice that you can still use ` and , ,@ in functions! 20:01:42 (defun foo (x) `(1 2 ,x ,@(bar))) 20:02:17 pnq [~nick@172.162.150.189] has joined #lisp 20:03:39 vinnana [~pkensche@dslb-188-100-033-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:13 Is there a built-in lisp function for changing the rank of an array? (e.g., #A(1 2 3 4) ===> #2A((1 2) (3 4))) 20:04:31 No. 20:04:36 I didn't think so. 20:04:47 Well, you can use make-array :displaced-to 20:05:05 somnium [~user@adsl-98-65-189-155.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:09 pjb, ah 20:06:19 mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:44 Displaced array use the same storage as the original array... 20:06:57 right 20:07:43 * (make-array '(2 2) :displaced-to #(1 2 3 4)) => #2A((1 2) (3 4)) 20:08:12 (n.b. changing the contents of that array is undefined since the vector was literal) 20:08:56 catphive [~brenmill@nat/cisco/x-qfqkyvhvcmvnaxbj] has joined #lisp 20:10:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-222-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:43 Of course. 20:12:13 COPY-SEQ is not the correct way to copy rank-N>1 arrays, right? 20:12:19 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kmlemglqvwzjjruo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12:32 Qworkescence: No. 20:12:45 copy-seq is the correct way to copy rank-n=1 arrays. 20:12:55 Right. 20:13:11 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.155.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:13:37 -!- aleron [~brad@75.200.82.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:14:02 -!- xinming [~hyy@115.221.14.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14:59 xinming [~hyy@115.221.14.198] has joined #lisp 20:16:38 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c2c46.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:47 HG` [~HG@p5DC0543C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:51 <_6502_> i'm trying CCL 1.5 and after checking out binaries for linux i tried running lx86cl that however segfaults before saying anything... am I missing some installation steps? 20:18:09 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:11 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-209-208.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 20:20:50 -!- anonchik [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20:55 in the repl I type 20:21:07 (read-line *query-io*) 20:21:09 'in the REPL I type' 20:21:11 i like it 20:21:25 then provide "test" as input 20:21:29 Should make that a t-shirt 20:21:39 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:41 the result I get is: test 20:21:41 "test" 20:21:41 NIL 20:21:48 I'm wondering where that NIL comes from 20:22:34 er, actually I'm running this in slime, if it makes a difference 20:22:34 will COPY persist in the following (assuming ARRAY-COPY is defined, as well as ARR): (defparameter x (let ((copy (array-copy arr)))) 20:22:36 ? 20:22:39 hi 20:23:11 erm, I was supposed to write COPY at the end of the LET. 20:24:04 _6502_: Please use ccl 1.6, which is the current release. 20:25:18 <_6502_> rme: 1.6 works... i was doing some systematic check on older version for compatibility with quicklisp 20:25:23 <_3b> catphive: read-line returns 2 values, the extra NIL tells you it got EOF without an end of line 20:25:29 catphive: its the enter i think 20:25:34 emef [~user@wlan086-024.wlan.wwu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:25:47 <_3b> or rather that it didn't get EOF 20:25:52 *_3b* read the docs backwards 20:26:15 <_3b> clhs read-line 20:26:16 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_lin.htm 20:26:25 *_3b* forgot the bots were back 20:26:45 -!- rgrau [~user@67.Red-83-58-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:27:18 -!- cafesofi_ [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:09 aham 20:28:16 i didnt notice this before 20:28:34 clisp separates multiple return values when printing with ; 20:28:38 and a newline 20:28:41 but sbcl doesnt 20:29:31 _6502_: ccl:delete-directory, which I believe quicklisp uses, first appeared in 1.6. So, that makes 1.6 the earliest quicklisp-compatible ccl. 20:30:33 _3b: thanks. I didn't realize common lisp could return multiple values 20:30:59 <_6502_> rme: i knew that 1.4 didn't work (on windows) because of delete-directory, and that 1.6 worked fine. Now I'm at home and found instead that 1.6 works fine here too, but that both 1.5 and 1.4 actually segfaults... i just wanted to check if 1.5 worked or not 20:31:09 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 20:31:39 <_6502_> rme: anyway that's not important... minimum version for quicklisp on ccl is 1.6, that's all 20:34:30 A Linux kernel update changed the semantics of mmap with a particular set of flags. This change causes older ccl versions to segfault. It turns out that the flags in question didn't do what we thought they did anyway, so we just removed the offending flag in later versions. 20:34:35 Not that anyone cares, but http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/731 20:34:41 <_6502_> is ECL dead?... on the homepage latest news says that "it's not orphaned" and then there is a link to a supposedly description (that's however a 404) 20:35:17 promus [~quickstac@cpe-67-243-40-160.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:36:39 <_6502_> rme: thanks for the explanation, i'll correct the description of the problem in my summary table 20:38:13 bsod1 [~sinan@188.58.187.72] has joined #lisp 20:38:34 -!- redline6561-work [~redline65@cei-gla-cpk2.coxinc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:39:15 <_6502_> ok... found it... it's just a broken link in the homepage 20:39:45 redline6561-work [~redline65@cei-gla-cpk2.coxinc.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:56 zmv [~daniel@c9533906.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 20:42:58 zomgbie_ [~jesus@85-127-211-45.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 20:43:43 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-178-201-97.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:47 boiantz [~boiantz@92-247-214-154.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 20:45:38 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-209-208.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:41 Anyone heard of an ongoing porting effort of OpenMusic 6.4 to some free lisps? Googling suggests nothing like that is going on. 20:47:36 Yuzuchan_ [~yuzuchan@p2220-ipad61osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 20:47:41 centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 20:48:55 -!- Yuzuchan [~yuzuchan@220.105.45.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:50:07 -!- boiantz [~boiantz@92-247-214-154.spectrumnet.bg] has left #lisp 20:50:45 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-043-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 20:50:50 vervic_ [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 20:51:01 antoszka: nope. Have you asked the developers? They seem to think that that would be a good idea, so maybe they could point you to one. 20:51:40 -!- Yuzuchan_ [~yuzuchan@p2220-ipad61osakakita.osaka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:57 prxq: No, not yet  just wanted to scratch the subject here first. 20:52:22 rgrau [~user@67.Red-83-58-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:26 Night-Hacks [~amir@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 20:54:12 -!- Night-Hacks [~amir@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 20:54:40 -!- vervic [~vervic@v254-122.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:54:40 -!- vervic_ is now known as vervic 20:58:20 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:35 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-135-132.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:54 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.88.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:01:04 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@74.203.221.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:30 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-105-78.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:11 -!- sellout- [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:27 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:06:38 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has joined #lisp 21:06:48 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-134-12-117.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 21:10:07 Landr [~user@78-22-148-233.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 21:10:49 Is there any good CL book aside from Seibel's work? 21:11:04 there's On Lisp 21:11:08 Let Over Lambda 21:11:09 sellout- [~Adium@212.3.9.50] has joined #lisp 21:11:11 Paradigms of AI Programming 21:11:22 Land of Lisp isn't too bad, and yeah PAIP is great. 21:11:40 the art of the meta-object protocol is quite interesting 21:11:43 Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation, too. 21:11:53 I've heard mixed reviews about Let over Lambda and On Lisp; not sure if they're good intros, in any case) 21:12:06 And Sonya Keene's CLOS stuff, too. 21:12:24 glidesurfer: are you looking for an intro book or just books on the topic of lisp? 21:13:13 Good morning everyone! 21:14:58 antifuchs: I'm not an absolute beginner anymore but want to learn more. 21:15:08 amb007 [~a_bakic@240.29.195.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:17 glidesurfer: Then definitely PAIP. 21:15:29 glidesurfer: I third the recommendation for PAIP 21:16:03 OK, thank you! 21:16:04 I fourth it. 21:16:12 I ate it :( 21:16:24 (And Sonya Keene, and Hoyte for dessert.) 21:16:41 how do you say "PAIP++" in lisp? 21:16:57 you don't. 21:17:06 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:17:07 Wow, even the paperback is frightfully expensive. 21:17:07 I mean, what's the idiomatic irc equiv 21:17:11 (incf paip)? (: 21:17:37 glidesurfer: It will give you many many days of great pleasure. 21:17:45 (cons penryu paip-fans) 21:17:53 glidesurfer: yes they are really expensive, but lot of great CS books are expensive 21:18:15 they are worth it 21:18:27 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 21:22:53 -!- timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:37 ansi common lisp by mr graham is also a decent book. Gives you bad habits, though. 21:26:46 replore_ [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 21:26:58 glidesurfer: what area of programming are you interested in? 21:27:22 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC0543C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:28:00 prxq: That's a question I haven't answered yet either :) Liking programming to just program. 21:28:24 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0119.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:28:34 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:29:19 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:29:20 prxq: see "TDT" :-) 21:29:42 <_6502_> on lisp is available for free, pcl also, let over lambda soon 21:29:47 Is there a C-c C-d h-equivalent for the MOP? 21:30:05 LoL will be available for free soon? ncie..had to have the library special order that book 21:30:44 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw256114.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:57 <_6502_> tdt: hoyte keeps "opening" charapters on his website.... i've it in paperback, tho 21:31:08 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7549e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:14 glidesurfer, TDT: fair enough, and more power to you! :-) 21:31:48 Yeah...in some ways it's much better to have the paperback version..although I admit I reference PCL far more often online than I do on paper. 21:32:03 prxq: We should ask you the same question, what area of programming do you like the most? 21:32:09 I found some books did not resonate with my admittedly dorky interests. 21:32:28 <_6502_> tdt: i didn't touch the paperback yet... i'm still reading the already "opened" part 21:32:37 TDT: I love number crunching. Differential equations, algebra and stuff. B-) 21:34:01 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:12 databases and web programming - gives me the yawns. 21:34:26 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: good night] 21:34:38 prxq: I kinda feel for you on that one. although I don't exactly do much programming much any more 21:34:46 at least not as mucha s I used to anyways. 21:35:18 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-94-37.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 21:36:34 some people just freak out for the gore involved in writing classy compilers (and the force be with them!!!) 21:37:14 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:11 anyway, the point I wanted to make originally is that PAIP is fairly dork-oriented. It's fantastic, but I suspect it's not for everyone. 21:38:46 What kind of dork? 21:38:49 It's a long read..that's worth noting too. I got about half way through it, then stopped for a bit 21:39:36 Bike: the one that cares about writing symbolic algebra programs and scheme interpreters, for example. 21:40:05 That's not dorky, it's old-skool :( 21:40:07 complete with call/cc and stuff. 21:40:28 Bike: why? 21:40:30 *Bike* is going through the Prolog compiler section atm 21:40:39 Why what? 21:41:15 I like that PAIP walks that fine line between recitation and synthesis. 21:41:24 I mean, it's less mainstream than once uppon a time, but these are hardly outdated subjects. 21:41:27 m_p_g [~m_p_g@dslb-094-222-151-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:27 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:41:44 speaking of prolog.. i think one needs to use a lisp that uses Locatives to implement prolog effe iently 21:42:33 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 21:42:48 I'm not being very serious, but what I meant was that people don't do such things as much as they used to, is all. Obviously they're still important. 21:43:00 timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has joined #lisp 21:43:18 <_6502_> Lisp in Small Pieces is also nice 21:43:55 Bike: I'm not even convinced they are done less in absolute terms. In relative terms - no question about it! 21:43:57 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:44:00 it seems like prolog impl is simple enough that when lisp wishes to us porolog to do it via a ffi they wrote from c 21:44:50 unless the complier for lisp can compile PAIP to be as fast as a prolog in c 21:45:09 prxq: Relative is what I meant, yeah. 21:45:34 Bike: but great that you do it! :-) 21:45:46 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:45:46 Yeah, web programming bores me too. 21:46:16 dmiles_afk: I don't think PAIP's implementation would be production-quality without a lot of tweaking. 21:47:02 Bike: agreed.. i wonder if Allegro's prolog isnt just PAIP or if its somethimng better 21:47:18 is just PAIP or if its somethimng better 21:47:36 -!- m_p_g [~m_p_g@dslb-094-222-151-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:48:17 *dmiles_afk* is useing PAIP to refer to the prolog interpreter in PAIP :) 21:48:51 *prxq* wonders if dmiles_afk is using his fists to work the keyboard :-) 21:48:52 Simucal_ [Simucal@2002:186b:27e:1234:b0ac:4fbb:2dad:3cbb] has joined #lisp 21:48:55 -!- TDT [~TDT@5317-nat01.eng.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: TDT] 21:49:11 i am using numb fingers ;( 21:49:43 i am sorry 21:49:46 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178-223-141-220.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:54 Well, I haven't used Allegro, but I don't think "The Prolog engine has been optimized to run essentially cons free" is true of PAIP's. 21:50:35 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:56 i been trying to find the best representation w/o conses for prolog.. i have been tempted to make every functor its own structure type 21:51:05 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-242-251-166.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:51:06 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:51:21 -!- Simucal [~Simucal@24-107-2-126.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:51:30 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-198-44.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:46 likes/2 being of structure-class 'likes/2' with two slots 21:52:11 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:09 has anyone done a prolog interpreter in lisp doing that? 21:53:52 prxq: n/p.. still i should correct spellings before pressing enter 21:54:14 -!- naiv [~quassel@ARennes-652-1-46-66.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:55:48 -!- vinnana [~pkensche@dslb-188-100-033-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:32 naiv [~quassel@ARennes-652-1-46-66.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:01:33 dmiles_afk: I think the idea is that the engine doesn't allocate memory as it runs 22:01:35 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:39 not that it doesn't allocate conses. 22:02:15 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:02:47 -!- zmv [~daniel@c9533906.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:04:55 -!- promus [~quickstac@cpe-67-243-40-160.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:23 promus [~quickstac@cpe-67-243-40-160.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:38 mechnik [4b48807a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.72.128.122] has joined #lisp 22:06:01 heh 22:06:34 -!- sbryant_work [~user@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:07:14 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:33 -!- Kajtek [~paniwladc@nat4-230.ghnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07:40 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 22:08:38 -!- mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:08:49 mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:26 thanks to cl-vectors + cl-geometry + spatial-trees i now have a canvas widget i can throw 100k triangles into and still be usable (hit-test / drag stuff around) before any real optimization 22:10:46 hah, awesome (: 22:10:56 don't forget to thank a great compiler (: 22:11:10 antifuchs: but of course ;) 22:11:36 -!- cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11:46 cheezus [~Adium@69-165-164-59.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:12:14 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c2c46.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:45 once it's a little more developed, should be easy to make arbitrary backends for .. cairo right now .. sdl, cocoa, gl should be easy enough 22:13:54 well, easy enough _now_, i've just got other things to do 22:14:35 According to the docs, allegro prolog uses a lot of dynamic-extent. 22:17:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:19:54 -!- glidesurfer [~glidesurf@2002:5796:7d3b:0:230:5ff:fe37:7a8d] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:20:09 glidesurfer [~glidesurf@2002:5796:7d3b:0:230:5ff:fe37:7a8d] has joined #lisp 22:20:26 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:20:36 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-115.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 22:21:28 -!- mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:31 entrix [~entrix@93-80-219-152.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:21:36 muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:22 -!- Simucal_ [Simucal@2002:186b:27e:1234:b0ac:4fbb:2dad:3cbb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:50 -!- zomgbie_ [~jesus@85-127-211-45.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:03 do I need to use an IDE to auto-indent lines? I am using clisp interpeter in linux terminal to follow D. Touretzky's book. Auto-indent would help to keep track of parentheses as I type in functions. 22:26:07 ikki [~ikki@189.247.155.7] has joined #lisp 22:26:09 -!- redline6561-work [~redline65@cei-gla-cpk2.coxinc.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:27:15 mechnik: a decent text editor would help 22:29:05 comatose_kid [~comatose_@64.124.34.10] has joined #lisp 22:29:50 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #lisp 22:32:07 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:33:03 -!- comatose_kid [~comatose_@64.124.34.10] has quit [Client Quit] 22:33:23 ajay [~ajay@64.124.34.10] has joined #lisp 22:33:41 argiopeweb [~elliot@184.91.40.175] has joined #lisp 22:33:58 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:20 -!- splittist [~splittist@194-109.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:37:27 sbryant_work [~user@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:09 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has joined #lisp 22:42:11 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.132] has quit [Quit: be back later] 22:43:06 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:47:02 mechnik: Most people here would recommend you use Emacs+SLIME. It does that and much more for you. 22:47:59 *beach* now expects "But I am not an Emacs user" or something to that effect. 22:48:23 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-209-71.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:48:30 mechnik: you don't need an IDE to do that. 22:49:03 In the REPL, type: (defvar *src*) (setf *src* '(defun f (x) (if (< x 1) 1 (* x (f (1- x)))))) (pprint *src*) (eval *src*) 22:49:46 Now, you could write a couple of functions to help you doing that. 22:50:09 Including modifying the *src* sexp if you make mistakes. 22:50:26 <|3b|> ... or you could use an editor? 22:51:30 pjb: Heh! 22:51:50 mechnik: well, I implemented ed(2) in CL. So indeed, you could use an editor in clisp in the terminal. 22:52:28 it's not a climacsitor! ed! ed is the standard! 22:53:17 Don't we feel a certain resistance to emacsen? 22:53:55 *|3b|* suspects "write your own editor in CL" won't be more palatable to people trying to learn CL than 'just use emacs' 22:55:26 A sexp editor is trivial to write, and a good learning experience: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/sedit/index.html 22:57:54 -!- vervic [~vervic@84.114.246.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:17 vervic [~vervic@v254-135.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 22:59:27 Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has joined #lisp 22:59:35 Joreji [~thomas@69-101.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:01:12 tsanhwa [~user@2001:da8:8001:111:222:68ff:fe14:6de] has joined #lisp 23:04:44 -!- timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:47 -!- centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:05:36 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:05:59 timjstewart1 [~tims@159.182.183.6] has joined #lisp 23:06:45 centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:49 Why oh why does the Common Lisp HyperSpec not require reverse and nreverse to signal an error if the sequence is not a proper sequence? There is virtually no cost associated with doing so, at least that I can see. 23:07:59 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-168-115.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:08:04 -!- tsanhwa [~user@2001:da8:8001:111:222:68ff:fe14:6de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:51 -!- felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:10:35 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:13:01 beach: one test for each cons: O(n). 23:13:15 And that, only for dotted lists. 23:13:27 For circular lists, add the slow/fast walking. 23:13:59 -!- _6502_ [4e0cec91@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.12.236.145] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:14:03 <|3b|> need to find the end anyway to reverse it, right? 23:14:32 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:03 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:15:14 -!- basho- [~basho-@dslb-188-108-012-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:59 <|3b|> so just a constant factor added to the existing O(n) 23:17:36 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:17:38 -!- rgrau [~user@67.Red-83-58-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:55 Deathaholic [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has joined #lisp 23:23:40 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@177.42.215.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23:44 -!- centipedefarmer [~nothingHa@173-29-195-221.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:22 statonjr [~statonjr@192.42.249.45] has joined #lisp 23:28:20 pjb: I don't see that. It has to make that test anyway, except possibly for the last CONS cell, as far as I can see. Am I missing something? 23:28:33 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-243-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:28:49 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:05 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@192.42.249.45] has quit [Client Quit] 23:29:56 pjb: For circular lists, I can see it. 23:30:01 tcr1 [~tcr@80-218-247-218.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:30:16 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-174-62-239-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:28 thank you all for editor suggestions, i installed emacs and slime 23:31:55 mechnik: I hope you used quicklisp to install SLIME. 23:32:16 aei [aei@50.8.14.254] has joined #lisp 23:33:13 Boognish [~david@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:34:24 beach: no I did not quicklisp, ubuntu apt-get 23:34:45 mechnik: That is probably not a good idea. 23:35:28 beach: easy to fix, what does it matter? 23:36:33 mechnik: ubuntu & lisp packages in there come with a few built-in problems (: 23:37:08 mechnik: it's not a big problem until you hit them, then it's easiest to uninstall and switch to quicklisp and a recent build of sbcl or something (: 23:37:14 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@188.58.187.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:59 beach: correct, for dotted list, it only needs to test it at the last cons. 23:40:51 antifuchs: thank you for the warning. speaking of sbcl, how does one toggle between clisp and sbcl in SLIME? i'd like to have both available 23:40:51 pjb: Thanks. I thought I was missing something. 23:41:40 mechnik: there's a slime-implementation-alist that you can customize, I think. 23:42:03 Reaper507 [~Reaper507@mna75-11-88-161-196-58.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:13 oh no, slime-lisp-implementations 23:42:41 beach: for this kind of question, I think one has to remember that Common Lisp has been specified in such a way as not to remand too many modifications to existing implementations. 23:42:42 if you run M-x slime it'll pick the first one off that by default, but if you press meta-- (that's meta minus) before that, you can select one 23:42:53 Perhaps most implementations didn't have such tests. 23:44:03 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:01 Hello, all. Noobie question. During list definition how to use the value of a variable as an element instead using its symbol-name: '(1 2 3 my-var) => (1 2 3 MY-VAR) -- I need: (1 2 3 (4 5)) 23:46:24 (list 1 2 3 my-var)? 23:47:47 Reaper507: one doesn't "define" a list, but construct it using one of the various functions that return lists. 23:47:47 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:55 -!- emef [~user@wlan086-024.wlan.wwu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:48:10 Reaper507: check the Chapter 14 of clhs, and also the Chapter 17. 23:48:43 Bike: yes, thank you. I used apostrophe... 23:48:56 pjb: ok, thnak you 23:54:21 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:57:35 anyone do much wrapping of C++ code in common lisp? 23:57:55 I see that swig 2.0 has CFFI support, and I'm wondering if that is the best approach 23:58:29 The best approach is to avoid C++. 23:58:42 Otherwise, when it works, swig is nice. 23:58:57 I mean, when you give it C++ code that's clean enough.