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<_6502_> lexical closures!!! 06:47:03 <_6502_> shouting this in any other IRC channel would make you look crazy 06:47:22 nikodemus` [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 06:47:30 <_6502_> here you just look one of the many stupid timewasters implementing their own half-backed lisp compiler 06:49:23 _6502_: so the difference is that here, you look just as crazy, but we know what you're ranting about? :) 06:49:32 <_6502_> yeah :-D 06:49:50 <_6502_> feels much better, i suppose... 06:49:59 <_3b> now get lexical scope right for non-local exits :) 06:50:46 <_6502_> that shouldn't be hard... generated C code is always "void f(void)" 06:51:39 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:51:40 <_3b> consider a recursive function FOO pushing (lambda () (return-from foo)) onto a list, then picking one at random and calling it 06:52:04 <_3b> and it needs to exit from the right call in the stack 06:52:55 *_6502_* tries to wrap his head around that 06:53:35 *_6502_* 's head explodes *** BOOOM *** 06:53:47 Vutral [OnpnTsgkdz@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:56 -!- splittist [~splittist@176-159.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: splittist] 06:54:15 <_6502_> 9am; time to go to work now... i'll think about it tonight 06:54:47 speaking of half-baked compilers. Any suggestions for doing something useful compiler-related? Like developing sbcl or something... 06:54:54 -!- Canaimero-bdc [~byte66@190.73.234.216] has left #lisp 06:55:15 <_3b> i think http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Issues/iss152_w.htm was the bit about stuff like that 06:59:05 -!- _6502_ [5e24fd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.253.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:00:37 splittist [~splittist@176-159.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 07:00:41 morning 07:07:11 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-133-103.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:11:18 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:11:18 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 07:14:04 -!- elliottcable is now known as THA_BAWS 07:15:33 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:16:33 -!- THA_BAWS is now known as elliottcable 07:16:43 -!- Vutral [OnpnTsgkdz@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:22:28 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-gzqqxbgxkmchodiu] has joined #lisp 07:23:47 Vutral [3Wi0Vk2lEB@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:44 aerique [310225@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:29:15 -!- Vutral [3Wi0Vk2lEB@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:29:48 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:31:46 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:34:27 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-100-145.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:35:07 Bike: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.steel-bank.devel/13639 07:35:28 It's a shame that, being the friend in question, I never did anything he suggested 07:35:38 I guess fame will have to wait. 07:36:06 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 07:36:14 alama [~alama@62.28.134.73] has joined #lisp 07:37:17 fusss [~chatzilla@blowes.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #lisp 07:37:56 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-98-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:38:40 hi, how do find out the metaclass of the class of an object? 07:39:21 Axioplase_: Hm, thanks. 07:39:47 fusss: look around at http://www.alu.org/mop/dictionary.html 07:39:59 The meta-object-protocol is described there. 07:40:11 flip214: yes, I'm a closer-mop weenie myself 07:40:53 just "forgot" how it was 07:41:10 Vutral [ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 07:41:18 not life critical, I can subclass a mixin if needed, but wanted to get the full picture 07:43:14 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 07:46:03 (class-of (class-of class)) 07:46:08 s/class/object/ 07:46:16 that's insane 07:46:23 sick :-P 07:46:43 stassats`: too obvious to be true, thanks mate :0) 07:46:58 cheezus [~Adium@69-196-171-160.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 07:47:12 -!- cheezus [~Adium@69-196-171-160.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #lisp 07:47:38 stassats`: you don't mean (object-of (class-of class)), right? ;-) 07:47:55 what do you think? 07:47:58 cheezus [~Adium@69-196-171-160.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 07:48:05 IIRC the current tpd2 is incompatible with current parenscript; is there some fork that works? 07:48:48 stassats`: well, you didn't put \< resp. \b, and neither the global modifier 07:49:03 so the first "class" string would've been substituted .... 07:49:17 i didn't put "nitpicking can be commenced" either 07:49:28 flip214: the pattern was meant for a human grep 07:50:19 sorry ... but I *did* put a smiley there 07:50:44 eddyc [~quassel@84-53-64-53.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 07:51:33 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 07:51:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:51:51 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-150-156.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:39 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54:44 -!- Vutral [ss@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:55:15 -!- alama [~alama@62.28.134.73] has quit [Quit: alama] 07:57:28 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-242-248-163.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #lisp 07:58:00 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-156-48.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:00:00 Vutral [Vq7oSWhgsM@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:55 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:01:20 -!- Guest43057 [~jason@pool-96-241-218-227.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:02:36 Night-Hacks [~amir@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 08:02:53 hi 08:03:20 hello Night-Hacks 08:03:21 while trying to compile my file using slime, it says => pipelined request... (swank:compile-string-for-emacs 08:03:55 OliverUv [fuckident@69.70.212.98] has joined #lisp 08:04:05 it used to work fine. 08:04:08 -!- cheezus [~Adium@69-196-171-160.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:04:51 Night-Hacks: are you using CLISP? 08:04:57 yeah 08:05:15 on what OS? 08:05:27 Ubuntu 10.04 08:05:28 Guest43057 [~jason@pool-96-241-218-227.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:05:52 Night-Hacks: it might be a better idea to switch to a Lisp with threads, CCL and SBCL both do 08:07:12 fusss: what you mean by threads ? 08:07:25 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:42 fusss: does it means clisp is not multithreaded or ... ? 08:07:43 -!- tcr [~tcr@62.50.239.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:54 Night-Hacks: a lisp that's able to carry out several, simulatanous/concurrent tasks 08:08:35 Night-Hacks: Correct, clisp is not multithreaded. At least not in its garden variety form (there exists a heavily hacked one, IIRC) 08:08:59 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 08:09:13 tcr [~tcr@62.50.239.22] has joined #lisp 08:09:23 didnt knew it anyway, its really important to me. 08:10:14 Guthur [c0c1f50f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.245.15] has joined #lisp 08:10:59 fusss: yeah its working on sbcl 08:12:15 Night-Hacks: make sure to enable slime-fancy ;-) 08:12:31 actually ignore that, have fun 08:13:36 ok, thanks for help .... . 08:14:11 np 08:14:30 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14:31 *fusss* totally enjoying closure-template + restas. 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Use quicklisp instead 10:00:35 -!- Vutral [FwU3IseKYU@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:00:35 Munksgaard: i have used quicklisp to install clsql-sqlite3.but failed again. 10:01:37 snearch [~snearch@f053006158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:01:40 cfy_: in what manner does it fail 10:03:49 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:04:53 jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.39.207] has joined #lisp 10:05:37 ebzzry [~ebzzry@180.192.232.84] has joined #lisp 10:08:36 eddyc_ [~quassel@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 10:08:48 -!- eddyc [~quassel@84-53-64-53.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:09:04 *cfy_* pasted "quicklisp" at http://paste2.org/get/1421037 10:09:13 Vutral [V23s23RRYM@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:41 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-47-164.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:00 Guthur: please take a look at http://paste2.org/get/1421037.i use (ql:quicklaod "clsql-sqlite3"),it says *** - Component "uffi" not found 10:11:01 cfy_: try quickloadign uffi first 10:11:06 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.12.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:11:09 on the off chance 10:11:30 Normally you shouldn't have to. 10:11:42 cfy_: Do you use clisp? 10:11:56 *Xach* checks the paste 10:11:59 Xach: yeah.i'm using clisp 10:12:27 cfy_: UFFI doesn't work on clisp. 10:12:30 Xach: using sbcl to quickload the clsql-sqlite3 does the same 10:12:38 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-47-164.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:41 cfy_: Oh yeah? 10:12:51 Xach: oh? let me try it again. 10:16:18 -!- cfy_ [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:43 cfy_ [~cfy@122.228.131.67] has joined #lisp 10:18:59 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@1807ds2-noe.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:21:23 b4 [~b4@sd4406ccf.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #lisp 10:22:31 Xach: thanks,it works on sbcl.so the clsql-sqlite3 can't work on clisp? i want to use clisp,because the sbcl use too more memory than clisp:) 10:22:42 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 10:23:07 cfy_: uffi does not work with clisp 10:23:21 here's a nickel, kid, get yourself another 4GB 10:24:47 Xach: the program may run others' machine.thank you for advice :) 10:25:41 Looks like ILC2012 is in Kyoto, Japan. 10:25:46 *Xach* does not think he will make the trip 10:25:48 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 10:26:19 Xach: what dates? 10:26:28 2012 10:26:38 That's a long conference 10:26:39 a date with that year in it 10:27:09 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@gw249-1.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 10:27:21 I'm not sure if it's actually announced in any official way yet. A facebook friend talked about it. 10:27:28 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 10:27:28 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 10:27:28 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 10:27:38 The kids these days! 10:28:19 beach [~user@116.118.2.191] has joined #lisp 10:28:34 -!- Guthur [c0c1f50f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.245.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:30:37 cfy_: cffi works on clisp. There's a uffi-cffi compatibility layers. 10:31:35 pjb: oh.thanks.i just use cl-sqlite instead :) 10:32:01 Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:35:32 Guthur [c743cb8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.67.203.140] has joined #lisp 10:36:47 Joreji [~thomas@78-230.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:39:27 Xach: can i have some of that nickel RAM too 10:40:44 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:41:26 I thought ILC was always in the US 10:41:34 Guthur: think again. 10:41:57 Xach: Did you hear rumors about Europe, too? 10:42:27 Harag [~phil@dsl-242-248-163.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:42:51 oh 2007 was in the UK 10:43:02 flip214: no 10:43:22 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 10:43:25 JPN been in the wind for a while 10:43:44 too soon, splittist 10:44:17 who decides? 10:44:53 The ALU board, I believe 10:45:29 -!- dfox 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relinquish ownership 11:04:55 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kgeckgezhgbvysmt] has joined #lisp 11:05:07 Never. 11:05:29 When it's a barren wasteland fit only for palestinians. 11:06:21 I thought the policy was to have no land for the Palestinians 11:08:22 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:10:05 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12:02 Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 11:18:05 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kcfmwgomhijvjgvz] has left #lisp 11:21:29 cfy_`` [~cfy@218.75.17.73] has joined #lisp 11:21:38 -!- cfy_`` [~cfy@218.75.17.73] has quit [Client Quit] 11:22:02 -!- cfy_` [~cfy@218.75.27.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:23:09 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 11:29:09 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:29:22 *sellout-* starts planning for Kyoto. 11:30:00 Let's revise our KCL. 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Ashkenazi vs. Sefarades. 12:27:07 pjb: you'll have to explain your definition of the involved words to me, I'm afraid 12:27:18 But perhaps not here 12:27:29 splittist: yes, good point 12:27:38 cmm: use the dictionnary (modulo spelling). 12:27:52 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 12:29:01 pjb: so basically, "some people is not entirely homogenous, and some members of one sub-group don't like members of other groups?" 12:29:09 Yes. 12:29:12 As always :-) 12:29:13 pjb: happens everywhere, yeah 12:29:34 I think splittist had a fair point. 12:29:44 If you keep at it, I'll join in, and I'd prefer not to. 8) 12:29:57 Let's keep it on-topic and attack those who don't like extended loop. 12:30:18 or clisp. 12:30:27 pjb: don't :) 12:31:35 I re-read the iterate manual and paper. The thing that grated was the assumption that one must LOOP or ITERATE. Surely the right thing is to use whatever gives the clearest idea of your intent for any particular task (and DO, and MAP*)... 12:32:01 (; 12:34:12 splittist: I especially like the comparision in iterate's manual: "A.3 Comparisons With Other Iteration Methods" 12:35:09 A.3.6 in particular? 12:35:44 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0028fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:10 we have to like clisp? 12:36:24 well, I guess Haskell was not popular yet back then 12:38:50 splittist: yeah, exactly that one ;-) 12:42:56 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:45 -!- jhuni [~jhuni@udp217774uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:45:27 benny [~benny@i577A2E45.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:45:54 suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-123.internet.krstarica.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:12 hi 12:46:22 are there arrays in lisp? 12:46:26 suncica2222: yes. 12:47:41 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.209.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48:37 cmm [~cmm@109.65.209.45] has joined #lisp 12:48:50 l pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122054 12:49:10 fgump [~fgump__@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 12:49:42 http://paste.lisp.org/display/122054 12:50:02 how should call of this function look like? 12:50:14 (defun print-dots (boxarray) 12:51:30 (print-dots boxarray) 12:51:52 where boxarray is a variable of suitable type, ie. a two-dimensional array with the correct :element-type 12:52:01 "More information on the game can be found in the handout for project 2." 12:52:39 something like that, yes 12:53:15 (actual quote - albeit the file says it's 15 years' old) 12:53:20 well, perhaps the array should have more than two dimensions? 12:53:28 varjag [~eugene@162.163.9.46.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 12:54:24 yes ... that seems to include the complete answer as well - (defun init-dots (n)) 12:54:49 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fjnpyrtvfetigvhv] has joined #lisp 12:55:00 i will paste complete code 12:55:10 wait sec 12:55:24 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:55:56 flip214: it cannot, since aref needs the exact number of indices. 12:56:13 http://www.lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1151 12:56:26 http://cs.hiram.edu/~walkerel/cs386/dots.lisp 12:56:27 pjb: yes, right. thank you. 12:57:20 i need example call for this function 12:57:27 (defun print-dots (boxarray) 12:58:08 (print-dots((1 1)(2 2)(3 3))? 12:58:23 suncica2222: you need a 2D array. 12:58:41 suncica2222: you have actually read some Common Lisp material? 12:58:45 (make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3) (4 5 6) (7 8 9))) 12:59:45 (print-dots((make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3) (4 5 6) (7 8 9)))) 12:59:50 thats ok? 12:59:55 Try it. 13:00:02 i will 13:00:09 But first read a tutorial, you have problem with your parentheses. 13:00:26 suncica2222: http://www.franz.com/resources/educational_resources/cooper.book.pdf 13:01:52 do you know where I could find more examples of dots game in lisp? 13:02:10 On the internet, I'd suppose. 13:02:37 some lisp code base... 13:02:37 OMFG, now I've become one of the grumpy lispers, too! 13:03:01 it happens 13:04:13 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.228] has joined #lisp 13:04:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-197.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:04:44 -!- suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-123.internet.krstarica.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:24 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 13:06:13 guynoir [~eeasd@dyn-89.136.41.57.tm.upcnet.ro] has joined #lisp 13:07:18 Hi. 13:07:29 suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-123.internet.krstarica.com] has joined #lisp 13:08:39 flip214: probably just a phase 13:09:16 you could always try Ruby, or something, then everything will be a pink fluffy cloud 13:09:17 Guthur: well, like with kids, you mean? 13:09:43 Urgh ... I borrowed a book about ruby once; by page 17 I returned it. 13:09:50 lol 13:09:50 Any GNU CLISP developers around? I made a patch and would like to know if it might be acceptable or not. 13:10:05 guynoir: GNU CLISP developers communicate with users primarily via mailing list. 13:10:18 They are very responsive to email. 13:10:39 Geef [~Geef@227.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:54 markskilbeck [~markskilb@host81-152-166-236.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:10:54 -!- markskilbeck [~markskilb@host81-152-166-236.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:10:54 markskilbeck [~markskilb@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 13:13:16 jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-063-238.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:14:29 (print-dots(make-array '(3 3) :initial-contents '((1 2 3)(4 5 6)(7 8 9))) 13:14:32 I think I know what makes lispers grumpy... They are constantly required to program in other less pleasant language environments and it irritates them 13:14:33 i did this 13:14:40 this is happening to me right now 13:14:47 it just waits in alegro after this 13:15:33 hi 13:15:40 flip214: hi 13:15:56 flip214: what about your commodore 64 13:15:57 suncica2222: what is print-dots supposed to do? 13:15:59 Posterdati: hi, thanks for the explicit hi 13:16:04 np 13:16:11 Posterdati: both C128 are in the garage, unused 13:16:25 beach: http://www.lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1151 13:16:29 I've got c128 too 13:16:31 and amiga then 13:16:34 my brother lost all my 5¼" disks and the action replay cartridge 13:16:44 it should draw that greed i console 13:16:49 so there's not much I could/would do with them anyway 13:16:53 but I've got only amiga now, for c128 I stored the chips 13:17:09 And in case of nostalgia there's the 64 emulator 13:17:19 suncica2222: I don't see any function print-dots on that page. 13:17:36 aha 13:17:46 i will paste funtion right now 13:17:53 flip214: I use vice on linux 13:18:27 I probably did last time, too ... but that's about 10 years ago 13:18:37 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:42 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 13:18:42 dosbox is now more current ;-) 13:18:50 dosbox? 13:18:54 what is it? 13:19:20 s pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122057 13:19:27 dosbox - A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS 13:19:41 works fine for running games, even win3.1 and so on 13:19:45 urandom__ [~user@84.138.88.140] has joined #lisp 13:19:45 beach: http://paste.lisp.org/+2M6H 13:19:50 #games and #oldhardware is -----> that way 13:20:21 ain't it «———— here? 13:20:30 jdz: #oldhardware is empty 13:20:47 and "g"ames is before "l"isp 13:20:48 Posterdati: so? at least you found the right place where to talk 13:21:06 jdz: ah good, problem solved! 13:21:12 jdz: thanks 13:21:18 well, Posterdati, tell me about the lisp on C64 ... 13:21:26 ah yes 13:21:29 wait 13:21:37 I''m going to find the file 13:22:03 suncica2222: It should not hang or wait for input as far as I can tell. Can you tell what it is waiting for? 13:22:30 I will paste complete code 13:22:38 flip214: microlisp-2_6.d64 13:22:44 flip214: do you want it? 13:22:49 suncica2222: how about adding (finish-output t) at the end? 13:22:59 http://cs.hiram.edu/~walkerel/cs386/dots.lisp 13:23:03 just in case 13:23:04 Posterdati: no, thank you, but that's at least on-topic ;-) 13:23:05 flip214: it is free 13:23:06 here is complete code 13:23:56 flip214: it's a very old implementation (no Common Lisp) 13:24:31 jdz: ITYM NIL, not T 13:24:33 Well, just off the top of my head, I'd assume that all documentation strings in SBCL are more than 64KByte 13:24:39 s pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122059 13:24:40 or rather, no argument at all 13:24:42 suncica2222: Perhaps it is just that you forgot a closing ) in your input. 13:25:07 will try now 13:25:25 stassats`: well, in the code T is used as the stream, so i included it just for the sake of consistency 13:25:31 no, same 13:25:47 jdz: format's t and t-the-stream-designator mean different things 13:26:08 suncica2222: When I add a closing ) to the input, I get an error message: The value 1 is not of type BOX. 13:26:08 13:26:08 flip214: (list 1 2 3 4) works 13:26:12 run 13:26:15 stassats`: oh, i learn new stuff every day! 13:26:29 good, i forget stuff every day 13:26:29 Posterdati: and then gc kicks in? 13:26:38 no setf 13:26:39 beach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/122059 13:26:45 this is complete code 13:26:58 suncica2222: Yes, I saw that. 13:27:35 suncica2222: I am telling you that in your example input above, there is a closing ) missing, and when you add it, you get the error message I pointed out. Your Lisp system is hanging in read waiting for the ). 13:28:07 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:28:09 flip214: micro-lisp V.2.6 - copyright 1986 13:28:21 -!- guynoir [~eeasd@dyn-89.136.41.57.tm.upcnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average.] 13:29:53 http://lemonodor.com/archives/2007/11/microlisp.html 13:29:53 suncica2222: And that message seems appropriate because your array contains integers, whereas print-dots assumes it contains instances of teh box structure. 13:29:59 beach: hm ill check again 13:30:26 so it is expecting array of objects? 13:31:22 suncica2222: there is a form (box-top (aref boxarray 0 col)) which suggests that the contents of the array is an instance of the box structure, but you pass it integers. 13:31:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:31:54 ... er, that the array elements are instances of the box structure. 13:32:11 Posterdati: in the wiki I saw that there are 3 lisp versions on c64 ... golden AI time 13:32:34 uh? 13:32:39 i just want to draw grid - interface, so I guess I should call some more functions beside print-dots 13:33:04 flip214: I didn't find anything but micro-lisp 13:33:05 micro-lisp, limp, lisp64 13:33:09 http://www.c64-wiki.de/index.php/MICRO_LISP 13:33:14 suncica2222: The first thing you should do is to add a closing parenthesis to your input, so that you can see the result of the test. 13:33:14 has links to the others 13:33:22 in "Alternativen" 13:33:33 ok 13:33:38 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053006158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:34:34 Error: Attempt to take the value of the unbound variable `CG-USER'. 13:34:35 [condition type: UNBOUND-VARIABLE] 13:34:52 flip214: http://www.groupsrv.com/computers/about657489.html 13:36:04 Error: Attempt to take the car of 1 which is not listp. 13:36:12 suncica2222: Looks like you pasted more than code to your REPL. 13:36:21 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81974A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:36:31 alama [~alama@182.113.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 13:36:52 yes an ')' to much 13:36:57 but you said.. 13:38:54 flip214: no setq/setf in micro-lisp 13:39:16 apostasy! 13:39:29 flip214: no setq works! 13:39:44 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40:25 well? 13:40:39 sellout- [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:40 Joreji [~thomas@74-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:41:40 flip214: queinnec's book examples work! 13:43:19 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:10 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:03 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:39 -!- suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-123.internet.krstarica.com] has left #lisp 13:50:09 longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has joined #lisp 13:51:19 b4 [~b4@sd4406ccf.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #lisp 13:53:12 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 13:53:36 Jasko3 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 13:53:55 -!- markskilbeck [~markskilb@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:54:34 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:54:49 is there a way to get ASDF compilation output into slime-completion somehow? 13:54:54 (into the buffer) 13:55:39 -!- b4 [~b4@sd4406ccf.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:54 wivlaro: *slime-compilation* you mean? 13:56:14 yeah. that's what i mean, sorry. 13:56:26 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:35 wivlaro: you use load-system slime command 13:56:40 wivlaro: ,load-system 13:56:47 oo 13:57:42 hm. slime documentation has fallen off of common-lisp.net 13:59:13 -!- sonnym1 [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:59:57 sweet. thanks jdz 14:01:40 wivlaro: slimdocs.[com|net|org] is available. Write your own, ..., profit! 14:02:57 lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-15-185-57.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:03:28 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:03:30 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 14:04:49 -!- alama [~alama@182.113.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 14:07:30 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:07:43 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:50 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 14:14:33 jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.56] has joined #lisp 14:14:43 hrmm, for some reason common-lisp.net can't access subdirectories in public_html 14:15:41 for projects only 14:15:56 wivlaro: http://common-lisp.net/~sboukarev/slime/ here's the manual 14:16:07 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:17 or rather, build your own, it'll be more up to date 14:16:36 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:39 thanks. i just thought i'd mention it here in case it concerned anyone. :) 14:16:56 the docs are there, common-lisp.net is just broken 14:17:05 someone in charge should do something! 14:17:48 (there's M-x slime-info) 14:18:34 -!- literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:28 *Xach* alerts clnet-devel 14:20:40 literal [hinrik@188.40.98.140] has joined #lisp 14:20:47 thanks 14:20:47 -!- literal [hinrik@188.40.98.140] has quit [Client Quit] 14:21:44 literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has joined #lisp 14:22:27 -!- literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has quit [Client Quit] 14:23:30 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.39.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:32 akimbo [~oy@64.134.149.199] has joined #lisp 14:24:47 literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has joined #lisp 14:24:51 -!- reb` [~user@nat/google/x-lspgbiqaupfuvsgw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:56 -!- literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:48 literal [hinrik@188.40.98.140] has joined #lisp 14:27:59 add^_ [~add^_^@h153n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 14:29:18 Any of the mclide folks about? 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15:23:42 (with-slots (top) (aref boxes r c) 15:23:53 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:23:53 sebyte [~sebyte@78.188.82.134] has joined #lisp 15:23:58 b4 [~b4@sd4406ccf.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #lisp 15:24:12 clhs with-slots 15:24:38 -!- scode_ [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:24:49 ? 15:25:02 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_w_slts.htm 15:25:34 suncica2222: inside the body of WITH-SLOTS, the given symbols (in your case TOP) can be used as a variable 15:25:47 (quicklisp:system-apropos "slime") => quicklisp-slime-helper arnesi.slime-extras 15:25:51 suncica2222: given slots from the given object 15:25:59 Anyone know what's happened to slime proper? 15:26:27 here 15:26:29 (with-slots (top) (aref boxes r c) 15:26:36 what is in the top 15:26:42 at the moment? 15:27:05 box[r][c]? 15:27:13 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-197.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:27:38 no, in your case top is the slot top in an object which is retrieved using (aref boxes r c) 15:27:43 Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.243.161] has joined #lisp 15:28:14 Hi all, if I define some function like (* x1 x2 x3) for the symbol F, and at some point I want to change this function body by replacing the x1 by some other value, how can I do it? 15:28:21 boxes is matrix rxc 15:30:13 Hi all! 15:30:20 zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.99] has joined #lisp 15:30:35 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-197.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:52 -!- Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@1807ds2-noe.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:40 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:02 where can I see what is "slot"? 15:32:31 slot is like macro in C? 15:32:43 #define? 15:32:55 no, the things you get in structures 15:33:01 members maybe they are called 15:33:21 -!- chp [~chp@2001:da8:a000:155:5eff:35ff:fe0c:c3ef] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:33:25 suncica2222: I'd really recommend reading something like Practical Common Lisp 15:33:30 you have a DEFSTRUCT at the beginning of your program (i think i saw it there) 15:33:52 it will only take a small amount of your time, and things will be alot clearer 15:33:56 slots are like things you put coins into 15:34:18 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Contents.htm 15:34:26 there is any search box? 15:34:51 suncica2222: there is a symbol index 15:36:10 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has joined #lisp 15:37:07 I can't get the function body as string to change it like: (replace "a" "b" '#F) 15:37:15 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.245.34] has joined #lisp 15:37:40 Hello, what is the most widely used gui library? 15:37:44 pedrosans_: #scheme is ---> that way 15:38:04 kenjin2201: HTML 15:38:04 can I get some link explaining slots, I ve used google but no good 15:38:05 ? 15:38:21 suncica2222: you have been given a link already 15:38:34 in common lisp 15:38:49 Ragnaroek_ [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 15:38:59 for with-slots 15:39:02 suncica2222: I also recommend Practical Common Lisp, http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 15:39:59 thanx 15:40:02 slot n. a component of an object that can store a value. 15:40:05 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-133-103.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:10 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:40:18 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@143.93.53.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40:28 -!- Ragnaroek_ is now known as Ragnaroek 15:40:52 common lisp is complaing, looks like the function symbol is an stream 15:41:14 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:41:53 you are talking nonsense 15:42:21 snearch [~snearch@f053006158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:42:52 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:13 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 15:44:48 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:45:15 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.245.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:45:32 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.245.34] has joined #lisp 15:45:55 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:46:15 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:35 pnq [~nick@ACA25B8C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 15:46:35 if you have more then one structure how to specify to which slot are you addressing? 15:47:20 Um. What? 15:47:29 -!- pedrosans_ [c916f9d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.22.249.216] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:48:01 Soulman1 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:57 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-133-103.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:50:19 markskilbeck [~markskilb@host217-43-220-44.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:19 -!- markskilbeck [~markskilb@host217-43-220-44.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:50:19 markskilbeck [~markskilb@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:50:39 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:33 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.245.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52:39 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.243.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:39 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-197.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:54:20 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-156-48.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:49 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-gzqqxbgxkmchodiu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:43 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:58:07 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-133-103.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:23 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.154.128] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:26 hooshangi [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 15:59:48 stassats`: fixed 16:01:09 what is func name for reading from console? 16:01:16 like cin<< 16:01:21 in C++ 16:01:52 If only there were documentation ... 16:04:43 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:41 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 16:05:44 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:05:52 suncica2222: http://gigamonkeys.com/book Read a book. 16:07:43 suncica2222: *standard-input* or *terminal-io* but go and search how they should be used 16:07:49 ...maybe 16:08:10 bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.160.151] has joined #lisp 16:09:51 thanx 16:12:50 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.156.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13:39 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:13:54 -!- cbp [~cesarbp@189.139.219.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:50 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:15:02 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-223-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:15:04 -!- b4 [~b4@sd4406ccf.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #lisp 16:15:20 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:16:48 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:17:12 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:18:49 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-127-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:54 cbp [~cesarbp@189.139.235.145] has joined #lisp 16:18:57 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:18:59 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.127.107] has joined #lisp 16:22:53 -!- hooshangi [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:23:51 cesarbp [~cesarbp@189.139.235.145] has joined #lisp 16:23:54 -!- cbp [~cesarbp@189.139.235.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:25 suncica2222: notice the book I mentionned earlier is only 100 pages. 16:29:18 it isnt free? 16:29:57 this? 16:29:58 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 16:30:00 ? 16:30:14 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-16-101.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:18 it's the best lisp book out there 16:31:27 -!- Joreji [~thomas@74-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:31:27 xan_ [~xan@66.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:32:16 alama [~alama@182.113.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:32:53 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:09 nice timing 16:33:11 suncica2222: both PCL and Cooper's book I mentioned before are NOT free, since they're still under the copyright of their authors, and you cannot duplicate them at will, but you can download them and read them for no fee. 16:33:37 naiv [~naiv@2.10.82.91] has joined #lisp 16:33:39 scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has joined #lisp 16:33:56 suncica2222: if you're not happy with them, check all the other references we have on http://cliki.net/ 16:34:06 i can download them free? 16:34:32 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA25B8C.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:34:57 Or you can read PCL online. 16:34:59 i downloaded it and read most all of it on the machine (up until the projects), then bought it anyway, but haven't actually looked at the paper version. I have lent it out to people though. 16:35:02 You don't have the freedom to duplicate and distribute them. But you have the freedom to download them and to read them. Actually we're asking you to do just that! 16:35:10 you can read practical common lisp online for free, and i would expect wget -r to download it pretty well 16:36:37 suncica2222: in the time you have spent (of your own and those trying to help you) this afternoon you could have read and understood 100 pages. 16:38:21 Literacy is not optional. 16:38:55 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-132-27.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:42:33 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 16:44:17 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:49 -!- varjag [~eugene@162.163.9.46.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:50:36 varjag [~eugene@162.163.9.46.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:51:40 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-132-27.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 16:52:55 symbole [~user@50-56-28-56.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 16:54:21 -!- ars-delirum [~Adium@189.216.226.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:55:30 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-240.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:56:02 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-99-240.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #lisp 16:56:58 mk2` [~user@159.92.65.47] has joined #lisp 17:00:45 ChibaPet [~mason@74.203.221.34] has joined #lisp 17:01:13 So is belabouring the point.. 17:02:53 -!- xan_ [~xan@66.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:16 -!- fgump [~fgump__@188.74.82.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:05:34 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@82.181.58.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:06:41 -!- xinming_ [~hyy@115.221.11.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07:32 xinming [~hyy@115.221.11.210] has joined #lisp 17:07:54 Triplefault [~Mouse@adsl-72-145-215-82.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:45 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-133-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:19 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.127.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:19 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 17:12:30 -!- atomx [~user@86.35.150.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:55 fgump [~fgump__@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 17:13:08 billitch [~billitch@62.201.142.95] has joined #lisp 17:13:28 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:18:19 -!- suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-125.internet.krstarica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:49 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.230.13] has joined #lisp 17:21:12 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-133-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:21:13 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 17:21:27 -!- mk2` [~user@159.92.65.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:02 LoL 17:22:04 :D 17:26:03 is hunchentoot the recommended web server these days? im going to be running it through apache mod_proxy 17:26:35 yes! 17:27:25 hunchentoot + reverse proxy is one of the best ways to do lisp web dev, IMHO (: 17:27:38 sweet! thats what ill do then :) 17:27:55 cool - good luck (: 17:28:04 antifuchs, thanks! 17:28:05 (also, get it via quicklisp!) (: 17:28:15 ah yes i love ql 17:28:27 awesome (: 17:28:40 if a library is not available through ql i dont even bother with it usually 17:28:43 unless i know the author 17:30:11 if a library i need isn't available through ql, that means the author is me 17:30:39 whats your email? :P 17:30:52 (just kidding, i don't use quicklisp, it's too quick for my taste) 17:31:07 akimbo: why do you want to know? 17:31:08 mk2` [~user@159.92.65.64] has joined #lisp 17:32:12 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 17:32:38 i was just joshing :) 17:32:54 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:33:26 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host120-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:35:25 Bronsa [~brace@host192-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:36:23 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host192-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:28 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:41:48 orivej [~orivej@host-16-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 17:44:45 Hi, is there some way to open a file and read a bunch of single-float values with read-sequence in SBCL? 17:45:18 there's ieee-floats and binary-types, which are both portable libraries. 17:46:21 mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:32 if you don't care about unportability, it's something like a one-liner. 17:47:04 pkhuong: I don't care about unportability, when it is fast. 17:47:21 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:47:45 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:48:33 the nice way is to use sb-kernel:ub32-bash-copy to copy the raw bits from an octet vector to a float vector. 17:48:44 -!- ebzzry [~ebzzry@180.192.232.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:48:58 No, that's awfully implementation dependant. Abject. 17:49:00 the really fast way is to change the vector's type. 17:49:04 carlocci [~nes@93.37.176.251] has joined #lisp 17:49:26 ebzzry [~ebzzry@180.192.232.84] has joined #lisp 17:50:31 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:50:36 pkhuong: I tried forcing a different type with declare and set (optimize (speed 3)) but this didn't just work. 17:50:45 no, that's not how it works. 17:51:05 You have to go under the covers and change the dynamic type information. 17:52:31 lanthan [~ze@dslb-092-078-006-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:06 -!- lanthan [~ze@dslb-092-078-006-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:55:08 lanthan [~ze@dslb-092-078-006-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:55:56 -!- alama [~alama@182.113.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 17:57:50 there's also sb-vector-io 17:58:35 mk2`: and lying to the compiler would mean (safety 0), not (speed 3) 17:59:00 stassats`: I set safety to 0 as well. 17:59:33 pkhuong: Is the heap type wide tag what you were talking about? http://sbcl-internals.cliki.net/tag%20bit 17:59:41 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:01 (funcall (lambda (x) (declare ((simple-array single-float (*)) x) (optimize (safety 0))) (aref x 0)) #(1 2 3 4 5)) => 1.1210388e-44 18:00:36 mk2`: right. 18:01:02 brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 18:02:20 stassats`: Oh, then obviously I didn't do it right! 18:03:04 sb-vector-io does what you want 18:03:17 I thinks I'll try (safety 0) and if it looks to horrible I'll try sb-vector-io. Thanks! 18:03:23 or you can use vector-sap and sb-posix:read and pretend you're writing C 18:03:50 please don't use safety 0 like that 18:03:56 it will break sooner or later 18:03:58 or you can use mmap 18:04:06 mmap and sap-ref, sure. 18:04:12 (and please, don't advice people to do that!) 18:04:15 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-156-48.ptld.qwest.net] has left #lisp 18:04:27 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-156-48.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:04:28 sap-ref, fine. lying to the compiler, bad 18:05:31 but it's fun 18:05:40 sure 18:05:50 but that code ends up in some application or library 18:05:53 modifying tag bits is fun too 18:06:09 which then breaks when compiled with (restrict-compiler-policy 'safety 1) 18:06:11 it's also pretty wrong and will break. 18:06:41 or breaks when sbcl is upgraded and there's a type conflict that it suddenly complains about 18:07:02 you guys with your rational arguments 18:07:47 -!- Guthur [c743cb8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.67.203.140] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:07:57 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:07 -!- cesarbp [~cesarbp@189.139.235.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:51 coerce them to floating point arguments 18:10:25 nikodemus: You convinced me. I'll try sb-posix:read into an sap. 18:10:57 just curious: why not just quickload sb-vector-io? 18:11:03 you'd be done already 18:12:08 why isn't it a proper contrib yet? 18:12:15 nikodemus: I don't like too many dependencies. 18:12:21 Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:12:28 bah, it's the age of quicklisp! 18:12:45 hmph 18:12:56 obviously i need to make it a contrib, then 18:13:00 Next, CQAN! 18:13:18 and if it's not a proper contrib, wouldn't it be good to have a portable implementation for other lisps? 18:13:20 the other solution makes you dependent on SBCL anyway, surely 18:13:45 i do that for swap-bytes (which i originally named sb-swap-bytes) 18:16:25 -!- mk2` [~user@159.92.65.64] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:32 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:16:33 -!- markskilbeck [~markskilb@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:35 Landr [~user@78-21-55-201.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 18:18:52 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 18:21:27 stassats`: sure, if someone else does the work 18:21:48 i have no desire to spend my time writing a slow portable version 18:22:01 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:22:16 (i actually always intended sb-vector-io to be a contrib or part of the core, but just never got that far) 18:22:19 z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has joined #lisp 18:22:19 -!- z0d [~z0d@artifact.hu] has quit [Changing host] 18:22:19 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 18:22:22 -!- Krystof [~csr21@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:22:50 if i were to use sb-vector-io, i would do so, but i already have something similar around mmap 18:26:03 ars-delirum [~Adium@189.216.18.12] has joined #lisp 18:26:38 -!- ars-delirum [~Adium@189.216.18.12] has quit [Client Quit] 18:26:55 -!- Geef [~Geef@227.Red-83-33-80.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:29:49 jmbr [~jmbr@115.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:33:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:34:58 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.111.232.25] has joined #lisp 18:35:15 brown [~user@nat/google/x-rbqhkmygftmrgwns] has joined #lisp 18:35:19 -!- akimbo [~oy@64.134.149.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:41 -!- brown is now known as Guest14265 18:37:45 suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-125.internet.krstarica.com] has joined #lisp 18:38:37 (defun init-dots (n)... 18:38:59 call for this (init-dots '7) 18:39:05 is this ok? 18:39:11 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.230.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:24 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.209.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:32 you don't need the quote 18:39:46 7 evaluates to 7 18:39:46 ok 18:39:54 cmm [~cmm@109.65.209.45] has joined #lisp 18:39:59 unless your *read-base* is less than 8 18:40:13 (init-dots (7)) should work also? 18:40:16 no 18:40:17 no 18:40:30 are you trying random things until it works? 18:40:34 (init-dots '(7))? 18:40:42 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.239.60] has joined #lisp 18:40:46 suncica2222: (init-dots 7) 18:40:52 yes, but it probably doesn't mean what you think it means 18:41:21 (init-dots '(7)) is approximately the same as (init-dots (list 7)) 18:41:44 suncica2222: (n) is just a list of parameters (defun foo (bar baz) ) is called like (foo some-bar some-baz) 18:42:01 hm. where's minion 18:42:01 ok I get it 18:42:02 but these concepts are quite basic, you should really read a book before asking such questions here 18:42:04 -!- steevy [~steevy@95-89-223-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: quit?] 18:42:14 suncica2222: read this: http://gigamonkeys.com/book/ 18:42:22 I know ... 18:42:46 it's a good book. if you have actual trouble with it, people will be happy to help 18:42:51 but I'm wqanting to know what all calls variations are equivalent... 18:43:05 the book will tell you 18:43:20 -!- mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:37 Error: attempt to call `INIT-DOTS' which is an undefined function. 18:43:50 it will teach you the evaluation model of lisp, which you need to inderstand what will work and why 18:43:59 Did you actually define init-dots? 18:44:08 ofcourse.. 18:44:26 mtd [~martin@chop.xades.com] has joined #lisp 18:44:31 You say of course, but apparently you don't have it defined. Did you restart Lisp in the interim or something? 18:44:32 conversely, no-one will long bother to help you if you don't avail yourself to suggested resources 18:44:33 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.111.232.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44:33 (defun init-dots (n)...... 18:44:42 What's the actual definition? 18:44:43 cant paste in channel 18:45:01 paste.lisp.org. 18:45:01 http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 18:45:06 suncica2222: http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 18:45:24 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:46:10 -!- brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46:12 erwe pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122067 18:46:21 http://paste.lisp.org/+2M6R 18:46:24 http://cs.hiram.edu/~walkerel/cs386/dots.lisp ? 18:46:31 erg: so you want us to answer an "untitled" question? 18:46:51 yes.. 18:47:08 What's your question? 18:47:58 did you evaluate that definition? how? how did you try to call it? (C-c C-c in the emacs buffer? pasted in a repl?) 18:48:54 Ive pasted all that in alegro 18:49:08 and tryied to call some of the functions 18:50:46 suncica2222, no offence but I think the approach you are taking to learn CL is a little inefficient 18:51:16 extremely so 18:51:16 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:51:27 you would have finished a lot of PCL now if you had started when I suggested it 18:51:39 suncica2222: please, how _exactly_ did you evaluate that definition? what happened, exactly? then, how _exactly_ did you try to call it? 18:52:08 (also, i hear allegro has great support. i'm sure they're happy to answer your questions) 18:52:19 :-) 18:52:53 -!- suncica2222 [dfgfdgdfgd@P1-125.internet.krstarica.com] has left #lisp 18:52:56 They don't provide support for the Free Express Edition. 18:53:23 Yep, hard questions do tend to have this effect... 18:53:47 #lisp is unfriendly and unhelpful, you know 18:54:24 Gods, not compared to some other channels. Mild depressed expresses itself as hostility most of the time in geeks. 18:55:15 I'm curious where suncica2222 was getting that, though - a quick google for his function turned up a CS course. 18:57:17 Night-Hacks [~amir@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 18:57:47 fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:29 hi 18:58:35 tomorrow hot topics in blogs: "#lisp refuses to make my homework" 18:59:18 i want to use ZPNG, how should i set classpath to slime or ... ? 18:59:34 use quicklisp 18:59:46 and that's some strange terminology you are using 19:00:02 (unless you're using abcl perhaps) 19:00:45 stassats`: strange ?! 19:00:58 CLASSPATH is a Java concept. 19:03:26 yeah dont know what to call it in lisp world. 19:03:45 the concept doesn't really exist 19:04:14 Night-Hacks: If you are using ASDF, you're probably referring to the value of ASDF:*CENTRAL-REGISTRY* 19:04:39 Night-Hacks - what have you got now for tools? 19:04:44 Although that has been superseded somewhat in ASDF2. 19:05:09 easyE: new-fangled rubbish, you can pry *central-registry* from my cold dead hands :p 19:05:33 you should bother about such dirty things, and use QuickLisp 19:05:41 shouldn't 19:05:46 it is necessary sometimes unfortunately 19:05:59 I'm teaching the man to fish, goddamnit. 19:06:02 it's necessary when it's necessary 19:06:04 there is still a few strangler projects yet to be brought to the quicklisp fold 19:06:45 i've installed quicklisp but i rather to make dependencies by myself than using any other tool. 19:06:46 Guthur: Strangler projects? I worry about the software you work on  19:06:49 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:06:54 sellout-, lol oops 19:07:02 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 19:07:09 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:08:14 Night-Hacks: why on earth? 19:08:30 JamezQ [~james@205.155.154.125] has joined #lisp 19:09:04 im newbie, rather to do things by hands ! 19:09:46 Night-Hacks: there are valid reasons to use stuff outside of quicklisp, but that's not one 19:10:19 I dunno, it is worth learning how asdf works at some point 19:10:25 maybe not when you're a total newbie though 19:10:34 df_aldur: agree. 19:11:03 learning how asdf works doesn't mean you should install deps by hand 19:11:13 you will still learn ADSF just not ADSF-install 19:12:07 you could also use Xach's quickproject to get you started with setting up ADSF systems for your projects 19:12:23 I can see some benefit - but as I say not as a total noob 19:12:31 valid reasons to install stuff by hand: (1) library you need is not part of quicklisp yet (2) you need a specific version of the library which is not in quicklisp (3) you're working on that library instead of just using it 19:12:33 but definitely use QuickLisp, I've gladly forgot all the others 19:12:40 though when I was a total noob quicklisp didn't exist so I had little choice 19:13:12 Guthur: any resourse for start ? 19:13:28 nikodemus: yeah, I think 3) is a very important one 19:15:01 Night-Hacks, get Quicklisp, then when you have that setup do (ql:quickload 'quickproject) then (quickproject:make-project "~/my-project") 19:15:28 and check out the files in ~/my-project 19:15:37 that is a barebones system for your projects 19:16:06 you can also add the dependencies via make-project 19:16:46 g32k1 [~g32k1@pptp-212-201-73-221.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined #lisp 19:16:52 it's a really nice clean interface 19:17:56 it throws an exception 19:18:31 error opening #P"/home/amir/~/README.txt": File exists 19:18:31 [Condition of type SB-INT:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR] 19:19:27 oh, my bad probably, the ~ shouldn't be there 19:19:52 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:59 when I press tab on ~/ it expands to my home directory 19:20:14 yup, it woks now 19:20:30 stassats annotated #122018 "another indentation issue, nikodemus" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122018#4 19:21:47 -!- sebyte [~sebyte@78.188.82.134] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1] 19:21:57 and i really should think of a way to sort out indentation hints clashing, it's been a major pain 19:22:05 I actually found ASDF one of the trickiest parts of learning CL 19:22:13 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:33 huh, i just cargo-cult some .asd, and it usually works 19:23:33 yeah, well me too 19:24:21 but that's kind of what I mean, I still wouldn't feel too confident having to do anything to intricate with it by hand 19:24:50 so if i add my dependencies on this asdf file, how it would find that dependency ? 19:24:57 gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:25:42 quicklisp advises it on how to find dependencies where it places them 19:26:15 the traditional approach was to have a pile of symlinks in a directory which was part of the asdf:*central-registry* list 19:26:40 *symlinks to the relevant dependency asd files 19:27:39 stassats`: wow, that's annoying 19:27:49 indeed it is 19:29:28 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 19:31:52 glidesurfer [~glidesurf@p57967FAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:02 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has left #lisp 19:33:27 -!- gcartier [~gcartier@modemcable041.134-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 19:36:23 so if you dont have quicklisp how would you tell to the lisp about that package !? 19:36:31 -!- cheater79 [~cheater23@ip-80-226-237-130.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:45 you would read asdf documentation and do what quicklisp automates for you 19:38:30 ok ... 19:38:31 Night-Hacks, you could follow the approach I mentioned 19:39:18 Guthur: yeah i made new project with that 19:39:35 so make symlinks to all your dependency asd files in /home/systems/, when do (pushnew "/home/systems/" asdf:*central-registry*) 19:39:37 when/then 19:42:43 just very basic question now, i read ZPNG and it has a dependency to salza for comperresion, i cant see anything in code that how its using salza 19:42:50 im comparing it with java 19:43:13 don't compare it with java 19:43:56 so how can i understand where it is using salza 19:44:35 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.209.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:35 i searched within the files with grep found just asfd file with "salza" 19:44:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:45:03 it imports all the exported symbols from salza package and uses them without fully-qualifying 19:45:18 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 19:45:18 cmm [~cmm@109.65.209.45] has joined #lisp 19:45:28 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 19:45:49 -!- JamezQ [~james@205.155.154.125] has left #lisp 19:47:06 stassats`: you mean it just calls salza methodes and objects without any package prefix and ... ? 19:47:09 JamezQ [~james@205.155.154.125] has joined #lisp 19:47:09 Night-Hacks: see WRITE-IDAT in png.lisp. That's where salza2 is used. 19:47:25 Hey guys, what language would you say is the opposite of lisp? 19:47:26 Night-Hacks: yes 19:47:34 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:38 JamezQ: psil 19:47:49 _6502_ [5e24fd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.253.20] has joined #lisp 19:48:11 checking ... 19:48:41 <_6502_> Hello. Question... can string literals be coalesced by a compiler? 19:48:43 Forth maybe 19:48:47 _6502_: yes 19:48:58 instead of (+ 1 2 ) its 2 1 + 19:49:04 Night-Hacks: the things used are WITH-COMPRESSOR (macro), ZLIB-COMPRESSOR (class name), COMPRESS-OCTET & COMPRESS-OCTET-VECTOR (both functions) 19:49:26 JamezQ: in what coordinate space? 19:49:34 brodo_ [~brodo@p5B0255CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:36 Forth is entirely too dynamic to be the opposite of Lisp 19:49:53 Xach: What? 19:50:12 JamezQ: opposite with respect to what? 19:50:13 JamezQ: Your question doesn't make much sense without more context. 19:50:46 Xach: so if i use this naming in another package how lisp could understand ?! 19:50:54 postfix is the opposite of prefix though 19:50:54 what color is the opposite of red? 19:50:59 it's a multi-dimensional space, it would take some work to figure out the opposite of any single point (and Lisp is more of a cloud anyway) 19:51:06 well an inverse 19:51:08 s/Lisp/CL/ 19:51:28 -!- JamezQ [~james@205.155.154.125] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:51:40 stis [~stis@host-90-235-68-24.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:52:16 stassats`: Green? 19:52:32 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:40 JamezQ [~james@205.155.154.125] has joined #lisp 19:52:54 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B0225E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52:54 -!- brodo_ is now known as brodo 19:53:27 Xach: got my question ? 19:53:56 Well, how it looks, and works. Basically, how it looks being just how the code looks, in which from Guthur's example forth would be good. and how it works being something like loosly or strongly typed, and how dynamic the lang it. 19:54:41 stassats`: fixed in slime cvs 19:55:23 Night-Hacks: I don't understand the question. 19:55:23 <_6502_> stassats`: and the same coalescing is possible also for literal vectors? 19:55:24 If we limit this to the historically mainstream languages I think Cobol would get my vote. 19:55:32 _6502_: anything literal 19:56:04 why cobol/ 19:56:06 nikodemus: works great, thanks 19:56:42 stassats`: i can't believe cl-indent.el never had test-cases 19:56:48 let's not discuss this question, it has so many open ends, it becomes meaningless 19:56:52 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.99] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:56:54 Xach: i mean you've just used blah-blah function thats for salza . if i make function with such a name in another package and use it in zpng how lisp would understand its my methode or salza one ! 19:57:03 nikodemus: well, i've never used it before 19:57:27 and it's not included in slime-fancy, so, not many people are using it and reporting bugs 19:57:46 stassats`: you indented always by hand? cl-indent.el comes with both XEmacs and GNU Emacs 19:58:04 Night-Hacks: The availability of names and the rules about using prefixes are affected by the package system. Learn about how defpackage works, and how symbol inheritance and exporting works. 19:58:10 Night-Hacks: you need to read on how the package system works 19:58:22 oh, right. misunderstood 19:58:38 Ok, thanks for helps 19:58:46 i was talking about the one included with slime, the standard one works alright 19:58:58 -!- JamezQ [~james@205.155.154.125] has left #lisp 19:59:00 well, where it's supposed to work 19:59:01 Night-Hacks: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html has some info about it 20:00:06 stassats`: i ment that i don't know that there are any testcases anywhere for emacs' cl-indent.el -- which is boggling 20:01:19 i guess it's using "let the users do the testing" technique 20:01:28 <_6502_> nikodemus: I bet the software that is handling your bank account is most probably written in bad cobol and hasn't any test cases either.... that should be even more boggling :-) 20:01:31 which works quite well if you have many users 20:02:03 -!- Night-Hacks [~amir@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 20:03:15 true 20:03:25 and if the code isn't modified quite often 20:03:34 well that's good then, everyone uses SLIME 20:03:59 but not everyone uses all the contribs, especially not included with slime-fancy 20:04:19 perhaps slime-indentation will be fancy-ready soon 20:04:31 well, you don't *want* to modify it often because you'll just annoy your users with unintended consequences since you have no test-cases :) 20:05:01 Munksgaard [~Munksgaar@1807ds2-noe.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 20:05:10 once the dust settles i'm all for it. who is the gatekeeper for slime-fancy? does helmut care about it, or is it someone else? 20:05:25 i would think that he doesn't 20:05:35 -!- _6502_ [5e24fd14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.36.253.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:05:42 Kneferilis [5d6d8465@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.109.132.101] has joined #lisp 20:05:50 Hello! 20:06:01 stassats`: you were right about building more at a time. i did two simultaneous builds in 3.5 minutes total. i guess that makes me feel better in some way. 20:06:11 system utilization 25% :( 20:06:27 MORE SIMULTANEOUS BUILDS 20:06:59 I just installed ABCL for .NET in a C# application. Can you give me a line of code using the ABCL interpreter that runs some lisp code and returns a value? 20:07:03 get a hexadecicore processor 20:07:15 you can even build sbcl for your neighbours 20:07:19 ABCL runs on .NET 20:07:22 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 20:07:26 when did that happen 20:07:34 java runs on .net 20:07:42 Guthur: ikvm. 20:07:46 ikki [~ikki@189.247.83.58] has joined #lisp 20:07:50 interesting 20:07:57 sort of 20:08:08 and then use cl-python on sbcl 20:08:15 err, abxl 20:08:19 damn, abcl 20:08:54 how do I call the ABCL interpreter and pass it some lisp code? 20:08:54 I having to code python at the moment, for some strange reason I'm not really enjoying it 20:09:10 Kneferilis: you might have better luck with the abcl mailing list. Some developers are here some times, but they frequently respond to mailing list questions. 20:09:17 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:29 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:09:33 thanks 20:09:35 Xach 20:09:40 Kneferilis: you saw my example of creating an ABCL interp and calling code? 20:10:07 (i had to change ABCL a bit to make it happen) 20:10:10 Kneferilis: We're here. 20:10:13 dmiles_afk: yes, but I don't have it. Can you tell me again please? I will test it right away 20:10:38 Hello easyE 20:11:20 there's also #abcl, or so i hear 20:11:36 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-155-197.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:11:40 They don't like us "dirty" JVM types here. 20:11:59 http://code.google.com/p/opensim4opencog/source/browse/trunk/lib/MushDLR223/ScriptEngines/ABCLInterpreter.cs 20:12:45 thank dmiles_afk 20:13:19 what is the MushDLR223.Utilities ? 20:13:20 line 528 20:13:39 they are not abcl, right? 20:14:11 easyE: especially when mixed with .net 20:14:17 MushDLR its a scripting system i created for multi user share halucinations 20:14:23 Krystof [~csr21@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:14:53 multi user share halucination dynamic language runtime 20:14:54 stassats`: Well, I'd join in *that* prejudice. 20:14:59 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 20:15:19 *easyE* sniffs. 20:15:49 sharing hallucinations, is that like Inception or something? 20:16:03 No, more like modern politics. 20:16:08 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:17:25 the code the MushDLR leverages from ABCL is the JLisp interface 20:18:08 JLisp at the time was required and still might be to arbitrate how the stdin/out is used in ABCL 20:19:53 dmiles_afk: last time you gave me a line something like LispInterpreter inter = new LispInterpreter(); string result = inter.eval("(+ (1 2) )"; 20:20:10 dmiles_afk: well that's how I remember it more or less basically 20:20:46 it was before i looked at the code.. its seems its more... 20:20:50 var interpreter = Interpreter.createDefaultInstance(new String[0]) 20:21:05 interpreter.run(); 20:21:30 using org.armedbear.lisp; 20:21:44 so go ahead and make a Main that just does that to sanity test things 20:22:21 with a reverence to ABCL.Net.dll 20:22:31 reference* 20:23:14 then probably to the IKVM.OpenJDK.Runtime whatnot as visual studio should whine at you to do 20:24:17 a one liner i suppose is: org.armedbear.lisp.Interpreter.createDefaultInstance(new String[0]).run(); 20:24:41 dmiles_afk: thanks 20:25:00 Ok, *that* much detail could profitably be in #abcl, eh? 20:25:15 hi, can anyone recommend a better way to make a list of 1 to 100? http://paste.lisp.org/display/122070 20:25:23 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-2-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:25:32 (loop for i from 1 to 100 collect i) 20:25:36 hehe .. at least now everyone knows ABCL runs everwhere 20:25:41 stassats`: thanks 20:25:44 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-135-2-238.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has left #lisp 20:25:46 Not on Android. 20:26:01 on mono it does :) 20:26:13 or would 20:26:23 Didn't MonoDroid just get decapitated? 20:26:56 http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/May-16.html 20:27:28 alama [~alama@62.28.134.73] has joined #lisp 20:27:42 why do they say "build a new commercial .NET "? 20:28:16 the commercial part that is.. maybe they mean they wont sekl it.. just be commercial quality 20:28:29 Because Novell^h^h^h^h^h^hAtttachmate owns the IP. 20:29:38 dmiles_afk: I tried this: string abcl_str = "(+ (1 2) )"; var interpreter = Interpreter.createDefaultInstance( abcl_str ); interpreter.run(); but it is now working, it gives me error 20:29:43 Dude (Miguel de Icaza) has a serious M$ fixation. 20:29:44 if the clasloader is removed from ABCL (there are verisons of ABCL that qworked withpout classloader) 20:29:56 what should I give it as a parameter? 20:30:07 (it should run on Android) 20:30:34 pk this par can be in /join #abcl 20:30:48 Kneferilis: this part can be in /join #abcl 20:30:53 yeah, yeah 20:32:42 *stassats`* wishes there were #topics-stassats-is-not-interested-in and everyone who discusses such things would join it 20:33:00 Isn't that #the-real-world? 20:33:16 the most of it, yes 20:33:23 *easyE* laughs. 20:34:11 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053006158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:34:39 is it just #fantasy 20:35:02 -!- Kneferilis [5d6d8465@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.109.132.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:55 mippymoe89 [~mippymoe8@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:11 -!- kaek [~b@c-99cfe253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:19 kaek [~b@c-99cfe253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:36:24 clnet cvs is down? 20:37:40 at least onymous cvs is up 20:37:49 *attila_lendvai* double checks 20:37:50 Ominous CVS 20:39:46 Developer cvs is also up on clnet. Well, at least cmucl cvs is working. 20:40:01 rtoym: that's what "onymous cvs" is 20:40:17 zomgbie [~jesus@212095007077.public.telering.at] has joined #lisp 20:40:33 why no getaddrinfo? http://paste.lisp.org/display/122072 20:41:35 this is on a Debian squeeze 20:41:36 dns issues. Xach might know more about this. 20:42:02 stassats`: Oh. Ok. 20:42:33 (the opposite of _an_onymous) 20:43:12 anonymous pserver access hangs for me for cl+ssl 20:43:19 or nymous cvs? 20:43:55 it's onymous in dictionaries 20:44:06 (I find using CVS quite onimous already) 20:44:27 so much mousse 20:44:29 attila_lendvai: the other day someone reported some locking errors when using anonymous cvs 20:44:44 while ananonymous still worked 20:45:20 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440299.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 20:46:50 gz_ [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:46:55 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-248.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:47:05 I'm having troubles with cl+ssl using chrome, while ff and opera works fine. my wild guess is that chrome is more parallel than the others... 20:47:19 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 20:47:41 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.126.153] has joined #lisp 20:49:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 20:49:20 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.239.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:49:21 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:49:25 *attila_lendvai* sent a mail to the list 20:50:30 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@212095007077.public.telering.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:41 joker` [~joker@dslb-188-105-097-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:02 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:58:00 -!- Triplefault [~Mouse@adsl-72-145-215-82.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:50 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.126.153] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 21:00:44 attila_lendvai: it works here 21:00:55 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:15 setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@183.106.96.30] has joined #lisp 21:01:31 -!- setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@183.106.96.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:51 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.30] has joined #lisp 21:03:23 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.30] has quit [Client Quit] 21:03:41 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.30] has joined #lisp 21:03:47 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:55 setmeaway [setmeaway3@183.106.96.30] has joined #lisp 21:07:38 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 21:09:02 hi 21:10:00 bohanlon [~bohanlon@BOBBA.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 21:10:52 no-name- [~no-name@11.228.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 21:14:57 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 21:15:01 Hello 21:15:19 I just stumbled upon http://gitorious.org/cl-libraries-on-git 21:15:37 -!- Guest43057 [~jason@pool-96-241-218-227.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:16:10 Are those which are 'mirrors of' updated regularly (automatically) ? 21:16:50 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:16:58 please does anyone know how to get clem docs updated? 21:17:04 oh Novell dropped Mono, interesting in a none #lisp way 21:18:10 Mono-nucleosis 21:18:41 MoALTz [~no@92.8.156.160] has joined #lisp 21:20:17 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 21:21:16 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:42 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:47 -!- billitch [~billitch@62.201.142.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 21:23:17 fe[nl]ix: yeah, I have no idea what's wrong. seems like it's only broken from my computer, but "telnet common-lisp.net 2401" connects 21:23:18 gigamonkey! 21:23:52 gigamonkey, you have a AIML-in-Lisp ? 21:24:00 attila_lendvai: send me a tarball of your repository 21:25:09 gigamonkey: where is gigabot? 21:27:17 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27:37 fe[nl]ix: I've checked it out again with the same CVS/Root and that one works fine, so I go on and ignore the problem. ping me if you are interested in the broken repo 21:28:07 pnq [~nick@ACA22A2B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 21:28:29 attila_lendvai: in that case, nothanks 21:29:03 I just installed clsql (via system packages), how do I load it from repl? 21:29:07 fe[nl]ix: I can understand that... :) thanks for the offer though! 21:29:18 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:29:19 ezakimak: (asdf:load-system "clsql") might do it. 21:29:57 asdf::load-system is an internal symbol on mine, does that matter? 21:30:21 rather, it's not defined 21:30:26 It means your asdf is old. 21:30:30 ok 21:30:35 Distro packages usually are. 21:30:55 ezakimak: Check with the documentation of your distro's lisp packaging system to see how to load it. 21:31:03 I have 1.123 21:31:37 That is pretty old. 21:32:13 Triplefault [~Mouse@adsl-72-145-215-82.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:32:18 that's the newest in the lisp overlay 21:32:41 guess the gentoo lisp overlay devs are behind 21:32:47 cheater79 [~cheater23@ip-80-226-16-83.vodafone-net.de] has joined #lisp 21:32:48 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:33:00 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.160.151] has quit [Quit: bsod1] 21:33:13 I don't know much about gentoo lisp, but my impression was that it was pretty up-to-date. 21:33:20 I think there is a channel for gentoo lisp stuff, too. 21:35:13 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:35:26 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:36:01 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:25 -!- ChibaPet [~mason@74.203.221.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:28 -!- sonnym1 [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:28 -!- Triplefault [~Mouse@adsl-72-145-215-82.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:46 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:43:33 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-174-188.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 21:44:04 -!- symbole [~user@50-56-28-56.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:31 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:45:44 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:48:04 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 21:50:44 sabalabas [~sabalaba@c-24-147-92-217.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:52 kai__ [~kai@e179004070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:52:55 -!- kai__ is now known as wetnosed 21:53:48 Xach: your quicklisp is quiet easy to install 21:54:24 -!- urandom__ [~user@84.138.88.140] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:32 fisxoj [~fisxoj@pool-108-21-82-57.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:36 -!- varjag [~eugene@162.163.9.46.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:56:58 Xach: I used it to include clem package to my project 21:57:59 -!- seangrove [~user@c-98-234-243-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:59:09 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B0255CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:32 brodo [~brodo@141.99.226.148] has joined #lisp 22:00:00 Posterdati: super 22:00:34 -!- stis [~stis@host-90-235-68-24.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:44 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:07 ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:02:35 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22A2B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:03:39 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-206.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:03 Xach: now I'm trying to interface gschem (gEDA) with my program :) 22:04:16 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@pool-108-21-82-57.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:07:43 -!- amb007 [~a_bakic@145.29.195.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:18 attila_lendvai: re your mail. Is that with the recent experimental thread safety changes or without? 22:08:29 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:03 -!- alama [~alama@62.28.134.73] has quit [Quit: alama] 22:09:51 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:10:40 amb007 [~a_bakic@145.29.195.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:05 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:13:40 pjb pasted "print-all-functions" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/122077 22:14:17 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:39 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:51 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:16:12 poindontcare [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has joined #lisp 22:16:30 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:17:58 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has left #lisp 22:18:09 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 22:18:13 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-239-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:22 sprayzor [~user@82.159.115.173.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 22:18:44 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22:18 JordiGH [~jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH] has joined #lisp 22:22:26 -!- kaek [~b@c-99cfe253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:27 -!- JordiGH [~jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH] has left #lisp 22:22:47 kaek [~b@c-99cfe253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 22:24:29 anxt [~user@64.141.19.175] has joined #lisp 22:24:32 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:51 wow this is a lots of peoplse in #lisp 22:24:58 anxt: Both ccl and ecl can generate iOS applications. In both case, it's rather experimental. 22:25:31 i am really not interested i was just for the lulzing 22:25:37 -!- Krystof [~csr21@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:25:41 but i am interested in lisp 22:26:19 -!- fgump [~fgump__@188.74.82.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:26 bege [~bege@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:46 Good. 22:27:04 anxt: Have you browsed http://cliki.net/ ? A lot of resources are indexed there. 22:28:16 i have peeked weeks ago. i will read a few hours tonight maybe so my questions are better ;) 22:28:27 Good morning everyone! 22:28:52 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:33:10 -!- anxt [~user@64.141.19.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:33:36 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 22:35:29 lichtblau: it's with cvs head 22:35:45 -!- orivej [~orivej@host-16-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:50 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:36:29 ars-delirum [~Adium@189.216.18.12] has joined #lisp 22:37:53 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:38:21 akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-093-204.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:30 fgump [~fgump__@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 22:38:53 billitch [~billitch@78.251.33.253] has joined #lisp 22:39:21 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-130-38.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:32 sonnym1 [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:32 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 22:39:43 HET2 [~diman@cpc12-cdif12-2-0-cust276.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:40:29 -!- lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:40:46 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-174-188.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:42:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:43:44 -!- splittist [~splittist@176-159.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:47:46 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-174-188.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 22:49:19 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-98-113-194-183.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:34 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 22:55:56 pnq [~nick@AC81E2B7.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:56:57 fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:29 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h153n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: add^_] 22:58:39 -!- brodo [~brodo@141.99.226.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:00:11 brodo [~brodo@p5B0255CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:19 -!- wetnosed [~kai@e179004070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:13 BountyX [~erhan@adsl-76-241-126-144.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:39 -!- mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:08:55 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:42 McMAGIC--Copy [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 23:11:07 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:11:27 -!- ars-delirum [~Adium@189.216.18.12] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:11:31 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0028fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:37 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.245.34] has joined #lisp 23:11:39 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:02 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.234.171.167] has joined #lisp 23:12:34 ars-delirum [~Adium@189.216.18.12] has joined #lisp 23:13:10 -!- fgump [~fgump__@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:59 xan_ [~xan@190.Red-193-152-189.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:08 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-153-198.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:13 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.234.171.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:20:14 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 23:21:37 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 23:29:14 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-152-135-21.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:29:17 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 23:32:18 -!- Guest14265 is now known as reb 23:32:20 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:16 I would like to run some Lisp computation but after X milliseconds kill the computation. 23:34:10 Perhaps I can run it on a thread, use rlimit to arrange for a SIGXCPU signal ... then kill the thread ... 23:34:39 Anyone have any better ideas. This would be for SBCL. 23:36:17 lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:28 -!- bohanlon [~bohanlon@BOBBA.WV.CC.CMU.EDU] has quit [Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish!] 23:37:20 -!- g32k1 [~g32k1@pptp-212-201-73-221.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:47 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:00 fork and kill -9 it after X milliseconds from the parent 23:38:08 (doing a supervisor-like thing) 23:38:46 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:39:08 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:39:46 ... and share memory between the parent and child? 23:40:11 oh, that would use shm or something 23:40:23 hm, if you want shared memory, then threads are probably better 23:40:44 The computation may be producing partial results as it works. 23:41:01 I just don't want it to use more than a certain amount of CPU time. 23:41:09 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 23:41:37 threads, or pipe preliminary results back through some channel 23:42:41 -!- BountyX [~erhan@adsl-76-241-126-144.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:43:08 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:43:16 Generally, it's bad form to kill a thread, but I perhaps I can arrange for my code not to hold any locks ... or I can know which held locks are bogus after the thread is dead. 23:43:30 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 23:44:11 Hmmm, various things to consider. 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