00:00:11 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 00:02:31 incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:36 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 00:05:40 -!- paul0 [~user@187.112.64.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:08:10 -!- davazp [~user@223.Red-83-46-0.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:09:03 akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-093-204.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:10:12 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 00:12:12 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 00:14:57 grncdr: you can't really get macros till you go through "normal" programming 00:15:16 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 00:15:26 in what sense? 00:15:54 I'm not trying to be difficult, I just don't understand why they need to be seperated from "normal" programming 00:16:02 grncdr: a macro is, in fact, a normal Lisp function. It runs at macro expansion time 00:16:15 grncdr: macros are "just" a way to create bigger abstractions, which are based in "normal" programming. 00:16:27 grncdr: also what p_l|backup just said. 00:16:28 grncdr: it's not exactly separated, more like most other languages don't cover that part 00:16:32 right, so why can't I get that at the same time as getting "normal" programming 00:16:59 grncdr: because it would be like learning to waveride at the same time as learning to do takeoff and landing 00:16:59 grncdr: because then you'll get confused. 00:17:12 grncdr: also what p_l|backup just said. 00:17:15 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5B326E81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:17:23 daniel [~daniel@p5082B421.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:32 I don't know what waveriding refers to, but I also don't mind being a bit confused 00:17:47 I mean, conceptually it doesn't seem all that difficult 00:18:18 I routinely write compile time code (including some stuff that would be considered a "DSL") in perl 00:18:20 It's not, if you first get to understand the "normal" programming. 00:18:42 the reason it's ill-advised to jump straight to macros is because once you learn normal programming, adding macros is fast 00:18:58 (incf p_l|backup) 00:18:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:19:05 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 00:19:05 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:19:10 what is there to learn about normal programming though? 00:19:13 because the most you'll have to learn would be intricacies of Lisp *-time states 00:19:29 (load-time, compile-time, evaluation, run-time etc.) 00:19:50 grncdr: symbolic manipulation, lisp idioms etc. 00:19:50 I mean, it doesn't seem like the so-called "normal" lisp programming is all that bizarre 00:20:02 grncdr: and so you're on good road :) 00:20:29 -!- aperturefever [~abell@ppp079166187001.dsl.hol.gr] has quit [Quit: .] 00:20:56 Xach: Does iolib.multiplex contain the timer library? 00:21:03 Is there documentation for it? 00:21:08 grncdr: basically, once you get good enough at things like manipulation on "normal" data, learning macros will be simply about figuring apropriate environments and how they interact, because the main function of macros will be something you already know and do 00:21:16 grncdr: also, when you learn 'em separately, you won't overuse macros from the start. 00:21:21 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 00:21:52 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@178.182.52.200.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:22:00 yeah. The most common use of my own macros? Getting rid of quoting in forms. Seriously. 00:23:47 p_l|backup: that's terrible 00:24:34 -!- Evildaemon [~chatzilla@50-35-187-113.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110323143040]] 00:25:24 stassats: yeah, but even that is a rare thing. Now I'm learning more, and possibly actually whipping it into a product 00:25:32 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082B421.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:25:33 *sad macro face* :P 00:28:49 zmv: ^^; 00:29:00 heh 00:29:15 that reminds me, we were going to do a prototype on tuesday... 00:29:16 :D 00:30:19 -!- tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:31:38 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 00:31:47 daniel [~daniel@p5B327153.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:34:49 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 00:34:57 -!- xan_ [~xan@99.13.242.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35:43 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-155-58.vologda.ru] has quit [Quit:    .    ...] 00:35:52 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:40:00 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:41:08 kai_ [~kai@f052101143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 00:45:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:50:14 -!- dostoyev1ky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:50:23 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:52:34 Joreji [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 00:54:19 -!- NamelessTee [~Ben@AReims-552-1-124-60.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:55:52 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 00:56:56 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B327153.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:57:07 hoeppner [~chatzilla@c-76-23-118-31.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:59:27 daniel [~daniel@p5B327919.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:46 kai__ [~kai@e177088024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 01:02:22 -!- kai_ [~kai@f052101143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:03:17 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:37 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 01:04:01 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:48 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:06:21 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:07:08 -!- akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-093-204.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:07:52 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:10:30 pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 01:12:19 hi pjb` 01:14:51 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:17:26 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:18:11 zmv: Look what you did! You scared him away. 01:18:22 hahaha 01:18:33 -!- ye_ [~h@78.129.114.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:19:07 ah, but he greeted pjb`, not pjb ;) 01:19:56 Ah, ok then. 01:21:16 hoeppner_ [~chatzilla@c-76-23-118-31.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:15 -!- hoeppner [~chatzilla@c-76-23-118-31.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:23:28 -!- hoeppner_ is now known as hoeppner 01:26:27 xan_ [~xan@99.13.242.166] has joined #lisp 01:26:43 cpc26 [~cpc26@66-87-0-216.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:06 Hi, is anyone using GBBOpen with SBCL? and is it worth while to use the module manager or should I try to use Quick Lisp? 01:29:39 What is GBBOpen? 01:30:36 Xach: buildapp is swell, thanks 01:30:39 the apache lic. version of GBB - a blackboard system - gbbopen.org 01:31:00 it nicely replaced my usual hacked combo of .lisp and .sh I used before 01:31:53 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:04 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:33:07 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 01:33:20 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 01:34:28 -!- hoeppner [~chatzilla@c-76-23-118-31.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]] 01:35:23 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:35:44 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:36:49 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-116-44.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:48 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 01:41:44 So is there some easy way to load a system with ASDF and then find get a list of all the systems it had to load along the way? 01:43:29 gigamonkey: asdf:component-depends-on 01:43:51 by applying it recursively, you should get what you want 01:44:42 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 01:48:33 -!- Bahman [~Bahman@2.144.209.73] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:07 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.134.9] has joined #lisp 01:49:30 npoektop [~npoektop@85.202.112.90] has joined #lisp 01:52:59 -!- kai__ [~kai@e177088024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:11 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:09 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:56:58 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-129-132.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:27 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has joined #lisp 01:59:28 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:00:09 -!- xan_ [~xan@99.13.242.166] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:00:54 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has joined #lisp 02:03:55 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-193-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:06:03 stassats: thanks. 02:06:14 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 02:07:24 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:10 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:09:40 -!- npoektop [~npoektop@85.202.112.90] has left #lisp 02:09:44 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-97-208.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:33 negaduck [~negaduck@85.202.112.90] has joined #lisp 02:10:37 -!- negaduck [~negaduck@85.202.112.90] has left #lisp 02:11:53 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:14:01 Ah, now I remember. Despite defsystem specifying system to system dependencies, internally ASDF has no such notion, it seems. 02:16:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-193-143.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:17:59 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.76.42] has quit [Quit: router issues] 02:18:01 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 02:23:42 negaduck [~negaduck@85.202.112.90] has joined #lisp 02:24:29 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:24:36 -!- negaduck [~negaduck@85.202.112.90] has left #lisp 02:25:24 negaduck [~negaduck@85.202.112.90] has joined #lisp 02:25:54 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4CD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:11 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:20 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:37 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:29:52 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32:32 MoALTz [~no@92.18.12.184] has joined #lisp 02:37:00 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 02:37:01 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 02:37:53 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:38:08 cmpitg [~cmpitg@118.71.131.89] has joined #lisp 02:38:50 Can someone help me with this paste http://pastebin.com/J6dnhCi4 02:39:28 You probably want (guess-my-number) 02:39:35 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:00 I.e. you want to call the function, not get the value of the (nonexistent) variable. 02:40:34 Also, be advised, that although you may have gotten that from Land of Lisp, using ASH to divide be two is goofy style. 02:40:39 zenlunatic: evaluating what and where? 02:41:49 <|3b|> zenlunatic: also, paste exact text of the error, not just a summary of it 02:42:44 okay... still not getting this 02:43:36 http://pastebin.com/mwpPHEFs 02:43:46 and i thought i could start with sicp... 02:44:13 So it's telling you exactly the problem: *small* is not defined. 02:44:26 (i.e. "has no value") 02:44:35 i didnt think it needed parameters 02:45:07 Eh? How's it going to do anything with *small* and *big* if they haven't been defined somewhere? 02:45:09 syamajala [~syamajala@68-187-217-213.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:45:09 from where are you taking this code? 02:45:20 Land of Lisp 02:45:32 and why isn't it explained there what should you do with it? 02:45:38 supposedly when you call its supposed to give 50 02:45:57 are you sure you're reading it sequentially and following all the steps? 02:46:13 zenlunatic: if you got that function from page 25 of Land of Lisp, look at page 24. 02:46:27 oh i see 02:46:34 i quit my instance of clisp 02:46:35 Or, rather, page 23. 02:46:52 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 02:47:12 i thought the values would be persistant 02:48:10 what made you think that? 02:48:34 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-121.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:48:43 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 02:48:54 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-121.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:05 assumption 02:49:55 assumptions don't come out of nowhere, what implementations of other languages you know demonstrate such behaviour? 02:50:11 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-193-143.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:28 or was it hinted in the text of the book that that might be the case? 02:50:38 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 02:52:18 this is my first programming book 02:52:31 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Client Quit] 02:54:09 ok, then you'd be better off not making too much assumptions 02:54:17 zenlunatic: your problem was probably that you botched the current package, and defun isn't interned as CL:DEFUN. So it believes it's a function, and expect the first argument to be an expression to be evaluated. 02:54:41 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:54:52 pjb: i wouldn't expect that zenlunatic got to this level yet 02:54:56 zenlunatic: in this situation, you may revert to a sane situation by using qualified symbols: (cl:make-package "GOOD" :use '("CL")) (cl:in-package "GOOD") 02:56:00 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:56:03 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@203-217-78-248.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:57:16 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 02:57:26 pjb: I think we've aleady determined zenlunatic's problem and it's much simpler than that. 02:57:41 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Client Quit] 02:59:25 pjb: and clisp checks the car of a list first, so, it would report "undefined function DEFUN" 03:00:38 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:45 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 03:02:57 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 03:05:40 tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #lisp 03:06:58 -!- tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:06:58 tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 03:07:40 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-97-208.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:08:36 xan_ [~xan@206.111.142.135.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:21 can someone help me with this: http://pastebin.com/AdYw256y ? 03:11:00 convulsive: have you tried macroexpanding it? 03:12:07 yeah 03:12:13 i might be missing something but it seems okay 03:12:14 Note, that your FORMAT call is totally messed up. 03:12:29 The code you pasted can't run. 03:12:38 convulsive: you don't see anything wrong 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05:46:12 rtest_integrate does take a lot of time to pass too 05:46:35 i mean without packages loaded beforehand 05:46:49 hey beach, where are you these days? back in HCM? 05:46:52 it won't even get to there when i load pacakges 05:47:58 slyrus_: Yes, and I unexpectedly have to teach a course I have never taught before. But I am taking advantage of the situation by teaching something I need to learn anyway: parser combinators. 05:48:50 contents of my maxima-init.mac are here http://pastie.org/1802803 05:49:21 beach: oh, cool! I've had fun with ramarren's stuff for CL and fnparse for clojure (assuming those count) 05:49:36 yfeng: New here? 05:50:01 slyrus_: Though `smug' looks more mature, at least judging from the documentation. 05:50:04 yes:) 05:50:42 yfeng: What brings you here? Learning Lisp? 05:51:17 *stassats* wonders, whether `smug' is easily googlably, with weenies and all 05:51:38 surprisingly, it is, on the fourth place 05:51:39 <|3b|> homie: maybe binary search and see if you can narrow it down to just one of those? 05:51:42 en learning.. 05:51:59 sylecn: Do you work in the CS department at U Texas? 05:52:25 beach: I'm a student. 05:53:24 sylecn: So Lisp is still used in courses there, or are you just interested in Lisp anyway? 05:54:10 beach: should I start a PM? 05:54:11 |3b|: this is the backtrace at that step, if you mean to debug it http://pastie.org/1802812 05:54:34 slyrus_: Only if you feel the answer is confidential. Not for me. 05:55:02 seems newton related somehow, don't know 05:55:02 er, sylecn 05:55:03 <|3b|> homie: i meant disable half the extensions and see if problem goes away, if not try other half, then repeat with half of the half that broke it, and repeat until only 1 left 05:55:10 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@87.96.152.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:55:17 ah ok 05:55:24 well ok i'll do it 05:56:00 *|3b|* doesn't know anything about the specific package, but that's probably where i'd start if i had that problem and cared about fixing it 05:56:18 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217.162.131.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56:32 sylecn: Is Donovan Kolbly at all associated with the university these days? 05:56:47 homie: you didn't answer: can you interrupt it? 05:56:52 beach: I have seen scheme used in a programming language course, but no lisp in other courses that I know. I just find lisp a good language and start to code in it. 05:57:03 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 05:57:04 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 05:57:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:57:13 stassats: i interrupted it via Ctrl^C 05:57:18 sylecn: I see. 05:57:25 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:57:25 homie: can you get a backtrace? 05:57:39 yes http://pastie.org/1802812 05:57:51 sorry, missed it 05:58:30 beach: I probably know the department less than you. 05:58:45 homie: can you continue and see how fare it moves on the second interrupt? 05:58:50 s/fare/far/ 05:59:30 second interrupt ? 05:59:37 yes 05:59:39 within the debugger ? 05:59:42 sylecn: Possibly, yes. 05:59:42 or third 05:59:48 oh wait didn't try it 06:00:08 continue meaning selecting continue restart 06:03:01 Hi,Why did G2 choose Lisp? 06:03:21 what's G2? 06:03:31 (ask them) 06:03:48 PowerPC G2? 06:04:00 stassats: ah no continue is not doing anything, only maxima-quit to toplevel resumes at next step or so 06:04:25 homie: did you interrupt again after continuing? 06:04:29 actually it tells me it restarts maxima 06:04:36 yfeng: I don't know what G2 is either, but I am guessing "because it's the best language for the task at hand". 06:05:37 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:05:47 stassats: yes the error shown is now (SB-C::FIND-TYPE-INFO :TYPE #)[:EXTERNAL], and the backtrace is not much different wait i'll paste the second backtrace 06:06:28 is it an error or does the test suite hang? 06:06:48 it actually hangs 06:06:50 oh..:) 06:07:05 Ah, by error, you mean top stack frame. 06:09:18 i would think that it hangs while calculating newton(sqr,1000); 06:09:19 stassats: here is the second backtrace http://pastie.org/1802844 06:10:48 yes but how much time would that take ? 06:10:53 on a core2duo ? 06:10:59 1,8 Ghz 06:11:10 half an hour ? 06:11:11 waaaaaargh_ [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d851afa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:11:14 homie: how do i run the test-suit? 06:11:25 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:11:32 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:11:41 run_testsuite(); interactively from within maxima or with make check at compile step 06:13:38 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:47 ghiu [~gu@dynamic-adsl-94-36-67-168.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 06:14:55 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d852f73.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:15:07 <|3b|> homie: also, you misspelled one of your load()s 06:15:12 well the second backtrace is somehow not reliable, it always prints another error message, i did the make check a second time now, interrupted it, continued and interrupted it again, and this time the backtrace is a little bit different, and the error message is a little bit different too 06:15:48 what error message? 06:17:28 this time simplus 06:18:08 seems depends on when i interrupt after continuing 06:18:14 *|3b|* notes that the 'ineq' package docs say it slows things down and you might want to turn it off after you are done using it 06:18:41 -!- Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:26 homie: then it means that it doesn't hang, just slow 06:19:35 jep 06:19:47 somehow too slow to make a distinction from a real hang 06:20:07 "here's a nickel, kid..." 06:20:21 zomgbie [~jesus@81.217.131.2] has joined #lisp 06:20:43 beach: I'm not so sure that smug is more mature... I always seem to have a hard time even _finding_ it and cl-parser-combinators seemed to have a richer feature set last I looked 06:20:59 and i don't get how sbcl comes to non-avialable arguments spread all over as of late 06:21:45 if you don't compile with debugging, it doesn't provide much info 06:21:45 there might be really bad rewriting rules that lead to non-termination, though. 06:22:00 homie: they're not available *to the debugger*. 06:22:29 "1 test failed out of 8,755 total tests. Evaluation took: 130.721 seconds of real time" 06:24:05 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 06:29:30 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@cpe-70-112-211-195.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 06:32:06 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-113-106.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:32:44 how can i increase the error-message-depth level in sbcl ? 06:33:17 i got a failure with infinite eval guard or so 06:33:26 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-2-62.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:33:28 (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 2) 06:33:39 oh, message depth 06:33:43 yes 06:33:43 slyrus_: Hmm, OK. 06:33:53 debug level is already 2 i think 06:33:56 well, if it's infinite, does it matter? 06:34:11 but it is not infinite i think 06:34:26 how much is the default of message depth ? 06:35:54 well i increased the control-stack-space to 4 06:36:05 don't know if that has anything to do with it, i hope not 06:36:26 -!- neoesque 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Multiple dispatch selects implementation based on more than one arument type. 09:44:09 CL's methods are both multimethods and polymorphic. 09:44:15 it is not even limited to types. 09:45:13 http://pastebin.com/1fv2Uijz - okay, so this is multiple dispatch too, right? 09:48:49 <|3b|> can you pass that Collide something that could be an asteroid or spaceship? 09:49:43 <|3b|> or pass Collide to some other function that would pass arbitrary args to it? 09:51:01 mao: Multiple dispatch works at runtime. Most languages such as Java does the selection at compile time. 09:51:14 mao: Then we don't talk about dispatch. 09:51:41 mao: (defmethod m (o1 o2) (format t "Got a ~A and a ~A~%" (class-name (class-of o1)) (class-name (class-of o2)))) (m (make-instance 'c1) (make-instance 'c2)) 09:52:11 mao: is equivalent to: ((new c1),(new c2))->m(); something that is not possible. 09:52:11 Java does method dispatch at runtime based on "this" type. But not on arguments type. Those are static. 09:52:18 mao: you cannot have two "this". 09:52:42 beach: oh I got it now 09:54:00 http://pastebin.com/xqRKdEqU now this is multiple dispatch, right? 09:55:56 mao: It is dispatch, provided that your language accepts that program and does the right thing. 09:56:31 mao: I think nobody but you knows what language you are talking about. ;) 09:56:55 oh 09:56:59 it's c# :3 09:59:01 ghiu [~gu@dynamic-adsl-94-36-67-168.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 09:59:29 mao: there's IronScheme running on .NET, and there are CLOS-like object systems implemented in scheme. 09:59:47 assuming you cannot choose anything else than .NET. 10:00:29 Tiny-CLOS, yeah 10:00:45 no I can choose whatever I want, I just know C# better than Scheme at this point 10:11:06 Spion__ [~spion@77.29.248.64] has joined #lisp 10:11:24 You could consider curried single-dispatch to be essentially equivalent to CLOS's multiple-dispatch. 10:12:21 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-167.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit 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What country are you in these days? 14:47:29 -!- loke [~elias@bb119-74-155-99.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:50 loke [~elias@bb121-6-7-182.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:51:15 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 14:52:24 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:55:00 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-56-149-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:04 Still on Earth? 14:59:26 syamajala [~syamajala@68-187-217-213.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:00:03 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA24309.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:31 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.125] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:02:15 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.161.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:06:01 pnq [~nick@ACA2010A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 15:06:29 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:11:39 -!- Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:13:06 TeMPOraL [~user@188.146.56.93.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:17:21 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:55 setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.252] has joined #lisp 15:20:00 macrocat [~marmalade@142.177.94.89] has joined #lisp 15:21:27 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.252] has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:32 LiliEA [6158186f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.88.24.111] has joined #lisp 15:28:37 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has joined #lisp 15:30:22 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.252] has joined #lisp 15:30:37 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@68-187-217-213.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:28 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-207.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:31:31 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:32:54 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 15:33:24 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-167.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:33:31 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-121.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33:46 Joreji [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:33:49 Joreji_ [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:35:07 frito [~keithmant@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:35:40 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:38 Hm. 15:37:11 Runge-Kutta method is used because it is robust (more or less) rather than because it is fast. 15:37:23 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:37:24 akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-093-204.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:37:32 homie`: ^^ 15:37:46 well, it gets good results quickly :) 15:37:50 -!- adobriyan [~ad@vulture-nat-38.telecom.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:37:50 c_arenz [~arenz@p5B2CB401.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:03 It depends on what you do. 15:40:33 I remember that at least NR recommends RK as a kind of "fall-back" method, 15:40:56 psilord1 [~psilord@70.226.166.7] has joined #lisp 15:40:57 the one you use when you don't care of speed and convergence very much. 15:41:45 There're better methods, when you know your DE better. 15:42:54 All this should be checked using original works though :) 15:43:01 You don't need to rely on my memories. 15:44:50 jesusito [~user@237.pool85-49-248.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 15:45:29 Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:36 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:47 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@p5B2CB401.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:46:00 -!- mosno [~bmc@unaffiliated/mosno] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 15:49:59 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:56 jesusito` [~user@50.pool85-54-73.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 15:51:23 -!- jesusito` [~user@50.pool85-54-73.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Client Quit] 15:51:26 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:51:32 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:11 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:31 -!- jesusito [~user@237.pool85-49-248.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:09 -!- psilord1 [~psilord@70.226.166.7] has left #lisp 15:54:03 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:39 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.252] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:46 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.252] has joined #lisp 15:58:29 qt [~user@183.12.146.93] has joined #lisp 15:58:45 ? 15:59:07 hello 15:59:15 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.83] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:01:01 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 16:01:23 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has joined #lisp 16:01:44 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:02:14 zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.72] has joined #lisp 16:02:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03:56 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-207.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:05:11 -!- mao [~root@high.nig.gs] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:05:38 -!- qt is now known as qyqxt 16:05:47 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has quit [Client Quit] 16:13:27 hello everyone 16:13:55 hello 16:15:26 Does anyone has experience about thinlisp ? 16:15:27 16:15:27 16:17:48 bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-085-216-109-135.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 16:19:47 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:19:56 oh great, swank-asdf doesn't work on the latest asdf 16:20:13 qyqxt: I haven't seen anyone here talk about using it. 16:21:21 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2010A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22:09 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 16:24:43 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has joined #lisp 16:25:04 -!- MartianW [~Martian@unaffiliated/martianw] has quit [Quit: Bye all.] 16:26:55 no minion? gosh, how am i supposed to send a message to Fare now? 16:27:25 *stassats* doesn't care enough to use mail 16:28:54 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.146.56.93.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:29:19 I ran slime, then connected it to a remote swank. Now I'd like to reconnect it to the local sbcl instance 16:29:23 how do I do this ? 16:30:06 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:17 byck [~aeshtaer@71-38-154-233.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:28 any swank is remote 16:31:10 one is an interface to a local sbcl instance, the other run on a remote computer 16:31:22 oh got it 16:31:37 slime doesn't care, it uses network connection in both cases 16:34:06 mohamehg [~hashim@41.95.4.30] has joined #lisp 16:34:26 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:37 why do I have # whenever I type (current-buffer) 16:35:55 mohamehg: #emacs 16:36:40 can you elaborate ? 16:36:47 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:37:05 that's the channel you should ask that question 16:37:41 ok , thanks 16:38:15 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-136-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 16:39:40 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] 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16:55:59 is there a way to customize the repl in slime ? 16:56:22 sure, the code is open 16:57:15 if the code need to be patched, then so be it, and if I find some time I'll try to do it 16:57:25 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:57:35 I'm just asking because I don't see something like this in the manual 16:57:46 what do you want to customize? 16:57:46 and there may some undocumented feature 16:57:54 the "CL-USER>" string 16:58:02 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-210-54.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 16:58:06 I'd want it to show, for example, the hostname 16:58:19 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:23 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:58:42 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:58:44 galdor, "CL-USER" is the current package 16:58:52 it is much more useful information than a hostname 16:58:53 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:59:14 "for example" meant the hostname was an example 16:59:14 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 17:00:32 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has joined #lisp 17:00:33 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01:08 yes, you would need to do that by hand 17:02:13 although i would've used something like slime-banner for that purpuse 17:02:25 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 17:02:42 I'll have a look at slime-banner, thank you 17:03:07 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:56 It's probably not too hard to hack how the prompt is displayed. 17:04:14 I did it a long time ago, to show abbreviated package names in certain situations. 17:04:23 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.83] has joined #lisp 17:05:06 it's not, yes, but with the way slime-banner works you don't need any hacks 17:05:23 orivej_ [~orivej@host-26-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 17:05:48 -!- orivej [~orivej@host-40-146-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:05 stassats: is the slime-banner the thing that says "SBCL Port: xxxxxx Pid: yyyyy" 17:07:10 -!- ehu [~ehuels@87.212.64.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:07:11 yes 17:07:16 That is probably a good place to put it. 17:07:23 Unless you really want it in your face. 17:07:50 like this (setq slime-repl-banner-function (lambda () (setq header-line-format (format "%s @ %s" (slime-lisp-implementation-type) (slime-eval '(cl:machine-instance)))))) 17:08:10 thank you 17:08:17 was just writing it 17:09:10 (note: you don't need to load slime-banner contrib for this to work) 17:09:18 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-205-247.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:09:18 yep 17:09:26 or rather, you don't have to 17:09:52 i once made it display memory usage 17:10:14 but never used this 17:10:14 various status would be useful, indeed 17:10:19 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-205-247.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:41 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14:41 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:16:14 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:16:27 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:19:24 joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has joined #lisp 17:19:38 -!- joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has quit [Client Quit] 17:19:42 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:30 -!- orivej_ [~orivej@host-26-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:23:35 orivej [~orivej@host-26-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 17:23:41 Deathaholic [~Mococa@189.59.214.9] has joined #lisp 17:24:05 -!- c|mell 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should be expanded by the macro preceeding into into 3 forms within a progn 17:58:59 the third of those forms is a with-accessors macro 17:59:23 but the current expansion (see bottom of gist) leaves me with an extra comma that I can't seem to shift 17:59:33 zomgbie [~jesus@212095007016.public.telering.at] has joined #lisp 18:00:04 if i remove one of the two commas on line 51 the the loop form it inserted into the expansion verbatim, which isn't what i want 18:00:53 -!- bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-085-216-109-135.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:01:11 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:01:15 any other stylistic comments appreciated btw; i'm sure there's a better way to do what i'm doing 18:01:57 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-205-247.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:02:40 mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:47 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 18:08:37 jcazevedo 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18:55:46 I get the (loop form in the expanded output, rather than its result 18:55:51 Can anyone give me a hint on SWIG to Clozure CL ? 18:56:09 ah, hold on 18:56:18 -!- wormphle2m [~wormphleg@98.234.186.226] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:56:26 pkhuong: missed that second , 18:56:32 it's working now, thanks :) 18:56:41 wormphle2m [~wormphleg@c-98-234-186-226.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:43 slyrus_: are you running using it for something that's causing you to need to extend it? 18:57:02 bsod1 [~sinan@31.141.14.186] has joined #lisp 18:57:14 gigamonkey: the motivation is that the recent hunchentoot changes broke my hunchentoot-vhost stuff and I realized that composing an easy-acceptor and an ssl-acceptor via subclassing seemed bogus 18:57:34 -!- bsod1 [~sinan@31.141.14.186] has left #lisp 18:58:21 Or what could let me call C++ function from a DLL file ? 18:58:58 extern "C" 18:59:33 lambdadaniel [~kvirc@71.138.132.156] has joined #lisp 18:59:38 *on CL 18:59:57 yes 19:00:28 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That means you will have to redefine your headers or compile a wrapper library for the C++ code you are calling. 19:13:01 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-155-58.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:15:16 freddie111 [~user@150.140.229.115] has joined #lisp 19:18:40 ghiu [~gu@dynamic-adsl-94-36-67-168.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 19:19:29 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 19:22:11 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.8.241.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:36 MoALTz [~no@92.8.241.252] has joined #lisp 19:26:43 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-116-44.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:28:14 -!- ghiu [~gu@dynamic-adsl-94-36-67-168.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ghiu] 19:28:22 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:30:49 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-68.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:31:25 fsrt [~m@talula.plus.com] has joined #lisp 19:33:01 cesarbp 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Is it me or sbcl that is wrong? 21:27:45 i'm trying to generate latex code, and can't seem to print "\tt" for example. I must be missing something obvious... 21:28:00 prxq: nil returns an escaped string 21:28:23 uh 21:28:42 prxq: try printing to a stream wrapped in a form that reads from a stream. 21:29:01 prxq: (with-output-to-string) 21:29:06 antoszka: ok, thanks. Now I get it 21:30:19 -!- cowhm [~cowhm@40.120.124.24.cm.sunflower.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:34:59 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:37:43 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:37:53 hey 21:38:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.213.74.255] has joined #lisp 21:38:03 Hello 21:38:10 anyone have tried to make std_vector.i for SWIG to CFFI ? 21:38:15 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:38:22 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@109.127.15.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:41:22 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:44:39 Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has joined #lisp 21:45:13 -!- mippymoe [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:48:06 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:49:16 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:41 Nshag [~none@AClermont-Ferrand-551-1-76-211.w92-143.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:51:41 pnq [~nick@AC814B53.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:46 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:14 -!- Vutral [ss@vutral.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:28 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53:37 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:54:15 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-065.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 21:54:39 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:55 i wonder if there's interest in spawning a lisp os|machine those days 21:55:10 i can't help but think that the c ecosystem is not far from being hell 21:55:33 better the devil I know than the one I have to build. 21:55:37 -!- aperturefever [~abell@ppp079166187001.dsl.hol.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:55:39 It would be interesting. 21:56:06 pkhuong: That depends on the amount of devilness of your current devil 21:57:52 I'd be curious how well the ALU-less CPU plugin thing from lambda the ultimate opcode would work out. 22:01:35 ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:01:40 -!- prxq [~mommer@91.143.109.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:59 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:02:16 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 22:04:06 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-198-22-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:48 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.207.179] has left #lisp 22:05:03 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:05:08 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.207.179] has joined #lisp 22:05:42 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.207.179] has left #lisp 22:08:18 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:08:18 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 22:10:23 Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has joined #lisp 22:12:09 Good morning everyone! 22:12:22 'lo beach 22:12:53 agumonkey: There is a lot of interest in a Lisp OS, but most people don't agree on which direction to take. 22:13:14 How so? 22:13:47 Bike: There are just too many options when it comes to OS design. 22:15:04 agumonkey: See for instance here: http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/Lisp-projects/ 22:15:10 -!- Spion__ [~spion@77.29.248.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:19 hey beach 22:15:27 Hello slyrus_ 22:15:54 *beach* is trying to wake up, so is waiting for coffee to be done. 22:16:32 agumonkey: So what *I* would like to see in a Lisp OS is indicated here: http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/Lisp-projects/lispos.html 22:17:53 obviously it should be a microkernel 22:18:16 labri hosted a lisp conf not long ago right ? 22:18:32 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 22:19:10 agumonkey, Bike: Landr's remark is a typical example of what I meant, though he might have been joking. 22:19:31 agumonkey: The first European Lisp Symposium a few years back, yes. 22:19:38 beach: did you and nyef ever come to any conclusions about event handling and what not? 22:19:43 (and where is nyef these days?) 22:19:57 Does it say to use a monolithic kernel in these docs? 22:20:01 slyrus_: No conclusion, but I am learning more and more. 22:20:36 i forgot who posted it here a few days ago, a blag post on lisp's power being the reason why it's so fractioned 22:21:01 Bike: Both of those terms are related to traditional OSes with processes and separate address spaces for traditional static languages, non of which apply to what I would like to see done. 22:21:42 Landr: No doubt written by another one of those "Internet Philosophers". 22:22:11 i have an internet connection, my opinion is important! 22:22:26 i'm not educated but i always envisionned something like a single pool of objects, close to what squeak might be. 22:22:46 a stackless world :D 22:22:56 Yeah, I noticed the single address space, but I don't know how that works securely. 22:23:25 Landr: Yes, exactly. 22:23:34 http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html And, this one. 22:24:00 Bike: Using capabilities I would guess. 22:24:37 Bike: And if people like to write assembly, they would have to get a different address space when running it. 22:24:49 TeMPOraL` [~user@46.205.1.194.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:25:03 hmm, I don't know how genera/other lisp OS's used to be 22:25:08 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:25:27 like a running lisp with far more possibilities? 22:25:45 Hm, I don't know what that means... better do some reading. 22:25:52 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.146.135.63.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26:01 -!- TeMPOraL` is now known as TeMPOraL 22:27:08 Spion__ [~spion@77.29.248.64] has joined #lisp 22:27:39 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-065.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:11 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:28:16 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:29:28 Bike: Using separate address spaces is one solution to one problem of security, but it creates a heap of other problems, notably it makes it impossible to pass (a pointer to) an object from one process to another. 22:30:08 Right. 22:31:18 -!- salva_oz [~kvirc@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.1 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:32:05 -!- convulsive [~convulsiv@129.133.193.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:32:50 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@62-241-240-154.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:37:02 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #lisp 22:37:24 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:37:39 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 22:41:17 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:54 Bike: Wow, that article is new! I didn't realize that at first. 22:51:58 -!- wormphle1m [~wormphleg@c-98-234-186-226.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:52:29 beach: It was on Hacker News. 22:53:21 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-56-149-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:30 It is actually a very nice compliment to Lisp, if read the right way. 22:53:41 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:56 beach: it is, it just complains about sociological issues, I think 22:54:00 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-56-149-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:02 One hopes most smart people will not arrive at the conclusion "we should use less powerful languages". 22:54:39 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-232.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:55:00 p_l|backup: But it argues (I think, after skimming) that this problem is not fixable and intrinsic to the power of Lisp. 22:55:28 beach: Well, I understood it as "intrinsic in such powerful tools" 22:55:46 Right, that's what I meant. 22:55:54 it also refers to another paper quite often, the Bipolar Lisp Programmer 22:56:28 I think I preferred that one. 22:59:42 nice read, but unsurprising 23:01:05 *agumonkey* is afk 23:03:07 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:03:49 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 23:04:09 Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:43 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:06:10 -!- agumonkey [~user@64.158.70-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:08:29 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.134.9] has joined #lisp 23:08:42 Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has joined #lisp 23:09:32 ... which package should I use for amazon S3? zs3 or cl-s3? 23:11:33 -!- pnq [~nick@AC814B53.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:13:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 23:13:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 23:13:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 23:15:43 p_l|backup: zs3 is more complete. depends on how much you need. 23:16:12 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 23:16:34 Xach: notebook all fixed? 23:17:45 gigamonkey: no. using my wife's older macbook for now. part's in the mail. 23:17:55 tippenein [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:44 -!- Nshag [~none@AClermont-Ferrand-551-1-76-211.w92-143.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:21:08 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-56-149-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:51 Bummer. 23:21:58 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-56-149-8.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:14 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-136-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:25:53 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:30:36 Jasko [~tjasko@74-93-1-121-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:06 wanderingelf [473d1640@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.61.22.64] has joined #lisp 23:37:34 -!- wanderingelf [473d1640@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.61.22.64] has left #lisp 23:39:30 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:40:31 -!- macrocat [~marmalade@142.177.94.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:01 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:44:10 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:19 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173046.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:49:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.213.74.255] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:49:19 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:49:33 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:52:39 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:54 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 23:54:09 Mococa [~Mococa@187.114.184.178] has joined #lisp