00:02:41 Joreji_ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 00:03:08 Trying to understand why following loop fails unless safety is 0: http://paste.lisp.org/+2LM9 00:05:38 mon_key: because the lengths in a don't match the lengths in b? 00:06:16 (4 1 2 1 1 6)? 00:06:20 yes. 00:06:39 mon_key: fyi, (loop for i from 0 below n ...) can be written (loop for i below n ...) 00:06:43 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 00:06:44 <|3b|> which is why you don't set safety 0 :) 00:06:51 WIth safety 0, you're accessing off the end of the arrays sometimes. WIth regular safety, it notices that and signals errors 00:07:14 Xach: fwiw I'm using code stolen elswhere from your truly to elide that problem :() 00:07:28 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 00:07:33 mon_key: I don't understand what you mean by that. Cut and paste error? 00:07:41 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-235-165.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:07:48 that code can be made better! 00:08:01 if that's all it does 00:08:10 No. my fix involved cut/paste from disassemble-ub* in usenet-legend :) 00:08:28 *|3b|* suspects misuse of the idiom 'yours truly' 00:08:52 |3b| What can I say... tired 00:09:17 The question is does safety just tell SBCL to look the other way? 00:09:35 no, it tells sbcl not to be safe 00:09:36 <|3b|> safety 0 tells sbcl to trust you and not check things 00:10:31 so that loop isn't complety screwed in so much as it will return. I guess I'm not understanding what the nature of the " 00:10:31 you can achieve the same by doing (declare (optimize (sb-c::insert-array-bounds-checks 0))) 00:10:36 unsafety" is 00:11:05 <|3b|> it won't return if sbcl is checking for errors 00:11:16 <|3b|> accessing past the end of an array is undefined behavior 00:11:19 it's "do the hell it wants" 00:11:28 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:11:32 crash, corrupt memory, return garbage, whatever. 00:12:13 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A74AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:45 so, just to be clear. if i say (safety 0) i could potentially be endangering the lives of millions if said unsafe code were embedded in sufficiently scary nuclear reactor? 00:14:02 <|3b|> right 00:14:02 sylecn [~sylecn@cpe-70-112-211-195.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:14:17 (safety 1) isn't safe, actually 00:14:23 only (safety 3) 00:15:11 Ok. So any safety below 3 is potentially corrupt. 00:15:17 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:15:24 freedom isn't free. 00:15:29 <|3b|> you can break even 3 if you try 00:15:29 but in practice, safety 1 is enough 00:15:35 Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:15:42 *|3b|* likes to just leave it at the default 00:16:11 -!- drdo`` is now known as drdo 00:16:26 <|3b|> 3 can have unwanted side effects, so generally only good for debugging or extreme situations 00:17:14 e.g., with safety 1 sbcl will return 0 on the following code: (let ((x 0)) (/ x 0) x) => 0 00:17:25 |3b|: what side effects? 00:17:53 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:56 <|3b|> stassats`: mostly performance i think, doesn't it kill TCO for example? 00:18:05 no, debug 3 does 00:18:14 <|3b|> ah, right, i'm confusing things 00:18:20 -!- pupy [~pupy@120.Red-83-52-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: sleep time here] 00:18:24 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:18:34 *|3b|* goes back to trying to figure out where my newlines are going instead of spreading misinformation 00:18:49 Thanks. FWIW that loop was failing under very weird circumstances where the data it recieved was only occuring about 1/100,000... Just spent last 2.5 hours hunting down the culprit. 00:18:54 -!- Houl [~Miranda@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 00:19:18 2.5 hours is nothing 00:19:38 stassats`: no doubt your bugs take years to suss out :P 00:20:44 What i'm getting at is i prob. never would have known there was a but were it not for SBCL/python :) 00:21:53 if a bug is triggered and nobody sees it, is it a bug? 00:22:04 *|3b|* wonders if nobody ever tried to put a ~ into a db using cl-redis :/ 00:22:23 a what? 00:22:28 tilde 00:22:28 <|3b|> #\~ character 00:22:53 i thought about home directory... 00:23:19 stassats`: yes, it is most certainly a bug. or so say the fly by wire people 00:23:28 |3b|: does it badly interact with format? 00:23:44 <|3b|> yeah, they pass values directly to the format string instead of passing it as an arg :( 00:24:11 so, it shouldn't even use format 00:24:18 <|3b|> probably not 00:25:01 does it say something about the general code quality of cl-redis or is it just a rare blunder? 00:25:12 <|3b|> haven't figured that out yet 00:25:39 <|3b|> still haven't figured out how it is breaking my newlines, so not a completely good sign when you find bugs by accident looking for another bug :/ 00:26:05 https://github.com/vseloved/cl-redis/issues ! 00:29:21 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:29:30 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-100-74.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: .] 00:31:31 <|3b|> hmm, newlines look good when it sends it, don't tell me redis is broken too 00:31:37 *|3b|* looks to see if newlines are allowed there 00:36:39 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:37:10 -!- sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:39:02 <_death> 3b: you may be interested in https://github.com/death/lredis 00:39:12 Wintermute [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 00:40:10 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:40:18 -!- Wintermute is now known as Mococa 00:40:29 <|3b|> _death: what benefits does it have over cl-redis? 00:40:43 <_death> 3b: that it works? 00:41:19 <|3b|> can you put a newline in a value and get it back out? 00:41:30 *|3b|* would try, but too lazy to resolve nickname conflicts :p ) 00:41:31 <_death> yes 00:42:17 <|3b|> are you actually trying it? if so, which redis version? 00:42:24 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:42:49 <_death> 3b: I've used lredis for several of my projects doing this stuff and more.. I can give it whatever data and it'll work 00:43:01 <|3b|> ok, i'll try it in a bit then 00:43:07 <_death> 3b: I always use the latest bleeding edge redis 00:43:13 -!- _death is now known as adeht 00:43:29 <|3b|> so from version control rather than a release? 00:43:33 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43:37 3b: yes 00:43:46 *|3b|* will try that next if switching lisp libs doesn't help 00:44:55 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:45:15 3b: I just tried set/get with both key and value having newlines in them and it works 00:45:33 <|3b|> cool 00:45:38 *|3b|* downloads 00:45:51 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 00:47:02 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 00:49:22 <|3b|> adeht: cool, seems to work 00:49:23 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:49:48 *|3b|* will file bugs on cl-redis and switch to lredis for now i guess 00:50:51 -!- jrockway [~jrockway@stonepath.jrock.us] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:50:55 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #lisp 00:51:53 <|3b|> hmm, new 'milestones' tab in github issues 00:52:05 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:13 jrockway [~jrockway@jrockway-2-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 00:52:23 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:52:34 *|3b|* will have to read github blog at some point and see if anything else new/interesting there 00:52:47 Not directly related to Common Lisp; I hope you'll excuse my choice of place to inquire about paredit: I think `paredit-kill' is broken when `kill-whole-line' is t. But I don't use `kill-whole-line', so I don't know what it's supposed to feel like. Can anyone who sets `kill-whole-line' to t comment? 00:55:31 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 00:56:46 Riastradh: I use C-S-backspace, which is M-x kill-whole-line 00:57:08 and it indeed baffles paredit 00:57:58 but i don't really know what would be the desired behaviour 00:57:59 Interesting... I did not know about that. That's not what I was asking about, actually: I was asking about the variable `kill-whole-line', not the command `kill-whole-line'. But perhaps paredit should do something about that too. 00:58:38 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:12 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:00:16 oh, i thought it's would be the same as doing C-k with kill-whole-line set to T 01:00:33 setting kill-whole-line doesn't seem to break parenthesis at least 01:00:40 An easy approach to handle the command `kill-whole-line' would be to refuse if the line is not fully balanced, i.e. if the parse state at the beginning of the line is different from the parse state at the end of the line. 01:01:41 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:01:57 stassats`, if you want to find how setting `kill-whole-line' to t makes C-k feel, try it outside paredit -- I don't think `paredit-kill' usefully respects the variable (although its behaviour does change when `kill-whole-line' is set to t). 01:02:40 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:56 i see now, it doesn't respect "at beg of line" part with paredit 01:05:06 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:49 yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 01:07:41 -!- yakov [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:02 -!- Zeiris_ is now known as Evious 01:08:22 and while we're at it, M-x transpose-lines also breaks parenthesis 01:09:15 i usually only use it in LOOP, when `transpose-sexps' doesn't work 01:09:23 perhaps there should be LOOP-edit 01:09:35 Well, there are lots of commands that can break the structure (e.g., M-k), but you wouldn't use most of them while editing S-expressions. 01:12:31 maybe there should be an option when it would warn "command is about to disbalance things, y-or-n-p?" 01:13:43 yanking code is the most often way i disblance parens 01:13:56 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-126-98.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 01:14:36 I don't think paredit should spontaneously sprout interactive questions like that. I'd rather that it signal an error, and give the user the option with a prefix argument of reverting a key to its normal behaviour; e.g., C-u C-k. 01:15:28 I want a `paredit-yank'. But it turns out to be very hard. 01:16:29 signalling an error so that I go back and copy it properly would save some time 01:18:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 01:20:53 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:20:57 Hmm... I spent a good afternoon or three about a year ago trying to formulate how `paredit-yank' would work (and implementing `paredit-kill-region' alongside it). Unfortunately, I didn't write down *why* it was hard. 01:21:58 -!- wzergw [~hynek@ip-62-245-66-12.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22:04 determining whether it copied too much or too little? 01:22:46 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:22:52 i suppose there can be a modifier which would alternate between both, like M-y 01:22:57 I wrote this: . 01:23:23 stassats`: first time copies too much, second too little? 01:23:38 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:24:15 Ah, I think I know what the problem is. I want to verify that, if I start parsing where the point currently is, and parse the prospective text to yank, I want the state after the prospective text to be the same as what I started with. 01:24:34 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:24:46 However, `parse-partial-sexp' is unhappy parsing the prospective text to yank when it is not actually in the same buffer -- and I don't want to put it there until I've verified that it's kosher, a nice little catch-22. 01:25:25 use a temporary buffer? 01:25:41 Well, I don't want to insert the *whole* text of the buffer into a temporary buffer. 01:27:40 backtrack? 01:27:48 Hmm? 01:28:12 insert, check, undo if it's bad 01:28:45 I'm not sure that's reliable. Can you prove that it is? If so, I'll try that. 01:28:52 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-126-98.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:29:38 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:07 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 01:30:18 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:30:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:32:23 xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has joined #lisp 01:32:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:39:05 insomnia1alt [~milan@92.204.13.158] has joined #lisp 01:39:11 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-105-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:39:15 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 01:41:32 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:12 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:46:43 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:48:10 <|3b|> adeht: any opinion on supporting more than raw strings/sequences in lredis? like (set :foo 123) instead of (set "FOO" "123") 01:49:02 wol [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 01:49:06 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.5.57] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:54:17 -!- BrokenCog [~Daniel@206.135.197.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:54:17 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 01:54:41 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:56:28 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:57:24 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 01:57:35 3b: it already supports that, although it doesn't take symbol identity into consideration 01:57:43 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:58:17 <|3b|> adeht: hmm, i got errors about :foo or 123 not being sequences, did i use itw rong? 01:58:38 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:55 3b: ah, the value should be either a string or an octet vector 01:59:03 *|3b|* should probably just wrap it in my own accessors anyway, so i can translate it back out how i want 01:59:03 I do stuff like (lredis:set `(req ,id content-type) content-type) 02:03:01 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@92.204.13.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:03:35 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 02:05:22 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:06:40 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:06:55 3b: it's supposed to be a low-level library.. I suppose you can use it in conjunction with a library like cl-store to persist arbitrary Lisp objects 02:07:00 -!- Modius_ [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:08:31 <|3b|> yeah, not really looking for arbitrary objects, mostly just being too lazy to fix the stuff i already wrote with cl-redis that assumed symbols and numbers worked :) 02:09:08 *|3b|* just hacked it in for now, probably will fix the calling code soon though 02:12:05 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:12:55 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 02:18:23 rurban [~demo@178-190-150-221.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 02:18:26 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:23:18 tenawa [~user@adsl-75-53-122-123.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:37 fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-162-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 02:26:35 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483B7AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:25 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:27:46 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483C447.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:28:10 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:57 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 02:36:44 is there a function built into lisp for splitting a sequence? I want to split a string on tab characters 02:36:51 not an issue to do it by hand either though 02:36:55 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-162-46.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:17 <|3b|> there is a library split-sequence 02:37:55 hmmm, looks like overkill... /me doubts 02:38:28 <|3b|> pretty much just the one function from what i remember 02:39:12 <|3b|> ah, i guess it also has partition and -if and -if-not versions 02:39:20 ah well, the asd is written anyways, might as well add split-sequence to the list of requirements :) 02:39:51 <|3b|> 3 files including .asd and autogenerated README :p 02:40:43 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:40:55 Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:29 |3b|: I'm still thinking about the pre-quicklisp-time, I guess 02:42:17 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:43:24 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:18 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 02:47:00 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has left #lisp 02:49:37 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:59:05 jkkramer [~anonymous@cpe-74-74-238-42.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:01:05 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:20 -!- psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-173-169.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #lisp 03:05:25 -!- rurban [~demo@178-190-150-221.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:10:33 -!- wol [~wol@67.174.222.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13:16 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@cpe-70-112-211-195.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:14:20 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:14:59 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 03:17:17 yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 03:20:56 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 03:22:10 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:24:57 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 03:33:43 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has joined #lisp 03:35:08 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 03:38:30 -!- Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:38:40 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:48 Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:56 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:39:39 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-29-10.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:39:40 -!- Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:41:01 Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:32 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:45:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 03:51:54 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-21-68.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:16 -!- Khisanth is now known as Guest92045 03:53:26 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:57:03 is there some print variable or a format character to make string printing not print newlines literally? 03:58:11 -!- binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:29 -!- xinming_ is now known as xinming 04:01:37 not sure but check pprint-linear 04:02:58 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03:19 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-71-172.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:03:55 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.75.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:57 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: omghaahhahaohwow] 04:04:04 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:04:24 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.78.69] has joined #lisp 04:04:35 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 04:05:55 pprint-linear prints lists. 04:08:41 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 04:08:47 bob_sage [~bobsage@c-24-130-218-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:41 doh my bad it was the first thing that came to mind 04:12:46 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:14:16 ok where have i seen something similar. of course you could implement it via a ~/oneline/ type of directive 04:15:23 but i think actaually in one (or several) of the popular logging packages 04:17:40 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-206-152.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:32 sylecn [~sylecn@cpe-70-112-211-195.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:19:19 Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 04:20:09 they constrain each log message to a single line of log output -- may be worth a quick peek into arnesi or hu.dwim.logger 04:22:56 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 04:22:56 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 04:22:57 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 04:23:22 I think making a package local pprint dispatch table might be a good idea. 04:23:29 although I'm not sure how to do that cleanly. 04:26:32 asarch [~asarch@189.188.146.97] has joined #lisp 04:26:51 What is the name of the video where explain God used LISP to build life? 04:27:13 sorry i diddidn't have any better input i just saw the channel was pretty quiet 04:27:59 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-122-41.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:28:15 hey, if I have the C++ src code, and want to make CL to be able to access to that code, is there anyway to combine ? 04:29:00 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-126-98.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:29:03 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 04:30:27 asarch: um i remember an .ogg file something like "god wrote in lisp code" I'd search google for .ogg with several of those words 04:30:31 asarch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-OjTPj7K54 04:30:42 ah sweet 04:31:04 Thank you 04:31:08 Thank you very much :-) 04:38:08 gmind: just throw together a c++ compiler implemented in lisp :) 04:40:38 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-206-152.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: G'bye] 04:44:33 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:45:34 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 04:47:49 now i know why there are so few mornful, acoustic, religeous, comedic ballads about programming languages 04:59:12 italic [~italic@cpe-67-242-144-94.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:59:37 daniel_ [~daniel@pool-108-18-161-218.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:00:45 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:55 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:02:08 -!- Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:06:54 michael [~user@cpe-76-95-194-109.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:07:20 -!- michael is now known as Guest79867 05:07:34 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 05:07:34 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Changing host] 05:07:34 Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has joined #lisp 05:11:53 joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has joined #lisp 05:12:28 -!- Guest79867 [~user@cpe-76-95-194-109.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:13:05 -!- beach [~user@116.118.4.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14:28 chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-165-6.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:23:22 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@pool-108-18-161-218.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:23:37 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@74.11.123.154] has joined #lisp 05:24:00 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-105-247.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:13 -!- italic [~italic@cpe-67-242-144-94.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:29:40 red1ynx [~red1ynx@178.121.29.255] has joined #lisp 05:30:17 Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 05:30:34 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:38:36 -!- joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:39:20 leo2007 [~leo@114.249.204.95] has joined #lisp 05:40:04 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.146.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:41:49 cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has joined #lisp 05:42:31 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 05:47:51 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:48:04 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 05:48:04 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 05:48:04 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 05:58:22 -!- red1ynx [~red1ynx@178.121.29.255] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:02:18 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-122-41.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:06:28 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:07:11 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:07:40 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-253.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:10:44 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-206-152.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:19:07 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:19:34 waaaaaargh_ [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87e92e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:22:58 -!- waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87fb9e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:24:44 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:26:14 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:26:28 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:17 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 06:27:59 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 06:28:09 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 06:28:55 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.100.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:32:55 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:34:10 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-142.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:40:00 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 06:43:29 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:46:20 Gmind: yes, write a C wrapper for the c++ code 06:46:58 *drewc* is two hours behind in scrollback, blames ferrets 06:48:26 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:50:11 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-136-155.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:52:57 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has joined #lisp 06:55:11 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has joined #lisp 06:55:13 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55:51 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@cpe-70-112-211-195.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:42 ramtop [~guest@host-46-50-129-211.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has joined #lisp 06:57:25 -!- Guest92045 is now known as Khisanth 06:58:53 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:04:01 Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 07:06:22 -!- Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:11:32 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:52 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:19 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:14:54 agumonkey [~root@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 07:16:24 yakov [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 07:18:16 joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has joined #lisp 07:18:17 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-232-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:19:27 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-27.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 07:19:53 -!- agumonkey [~root@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 07:21:31 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@74.11.123.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:23:07 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:23:20 GutenLinux [~chatzilla@122.242.185.180] has joined #lisp 07:23:59 -!- GutenLinux [~chatzilla@122.242.185.180] has quit [Client Quit] 07:24:30 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 07:25:04 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:51 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 07:30:28 ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has joined #lisp 07:30:43 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:31:20 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 07:34:27 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has left #lisp 07:34:51 ops, cl-muproc does not work in recent LW(( 07:37:23 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-206-152.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:38:18 there is no mp:without-interrupts any more! 07:38:29 LW users do you know what is equivalent? 07:40:15 xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has joined #lisp 07:40:48 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-253.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 07:41:19 WITHOUT-INTERRUPTS is almost always a design error if you're trying to exclude concurrent access... 07:42:12 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:42:38 Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:43:16 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:33 Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:44:01 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:26 Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:48:21 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-191-96.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:58 hola, drewc 07:49:04 -!- waaaaaargh_ [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87e92e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:33 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-223.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:50:25 rurban [~demo@88-117-14-198.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 07:52:05 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 07:53:47 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:53:52 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 07:54:39 yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 07:56:54 Areil [~user@123.20.54.44] has joined #lisp 07:57:25 -!- yakov [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:58:48 Liera [~Liera@123.20.54.44] has joined #lisp 08:06:34 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:10:58 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:10:58 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 08:13:23 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:24 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-109-247.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:13:52 yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 08:14:52 agumonkey [~agumonkey@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:00 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 08:23:06 -!- rme_ [~rme@pool-70-104-125-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme_] 08:23:32 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 08:24:18 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:24:34 -!- ramtop [~guest@host-46-50-129-211.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:26:11 -!- leo2007 [~leo@114.249.204.95] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 08:27:27 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:32:38 jil [~user@83.229.34.3] has joined #lisp 08:32:46 hello 08:33:39 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:34:42 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 08:34:49 I'm trying to use emacs to browse the web so I dowloaded the lisp package for w3m but unlike erc, I can't start w3m by simple doing a M-x w3m like commande. I have located the lisp files for the package but I don't know what to do with them to have bind M-x w3m to the lisp program. 08:35:33 have you installed w3m itself? 08:35:40 those files should be in your .emacs.d dir 08:35:44 w3m.el is just an interface to the external program. 08:36:29 longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has joined #lisp 08:36:36 yes w3m is installe I can use it from the command line. I used apt-get to install the w3m-el package 08:37:03 not sure, in that case. 08:37:06 it works for me. 08:37:19 I have a very similar setup, but may have installed the w3m elisp package via elpa 08:37:36 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-221-138.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:42 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:38:12 M-x w3m starts the browser in a new buffer. 08:38:23 morning 08:38:30 heya, nikodemus 08:38:32 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-109-247.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:38:59 in the "emacs.d" dir I don't have anything but I have a 50w3m-el.el in the "/etc/emacs/site-start.d/" dir 08:39:17 I suggest #emacs 08:39:23 I have no match for M-x w3m 08:39:29 this is slightly off topic for #lisp 08:40:00 yes they are sleeping in #emacs, that's why i came here :) 08:40:24 But I'll try again... 08:40:27 urandom__ [~user@p548A7D71.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:43:03 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43:37 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 08:44:39 lanthan [~ze@p54B7B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:44:54 -!- jil [~user@83.229.34.3] has quit [Quit: ()] 08:44:58 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:46:15 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.20.54.44] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:46:28 -!- lanthan [~ze@p54B7B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 08:46:56 -!- Areil [~user@123.20.54.44] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:21 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002ab8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:48:03 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 08:48:10 lanthan [~ze@p54B7B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:49:26 Areil [~user@123.20.54.44] has joined #lisp 08:53:02 tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-fhplixtenhfkjpiq] has joined #lisp 08:56:13 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 08:59:41 -!- rurban [~demo@88-117-14-198.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:00:46 cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has joined #lisp 09:00:58 gaidal [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has joined #lisp 09:02:12 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:03:33 Liera [~Liera@123.20.54.44] has joined #lisp 09:12:06 -!- RenJuan [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 09:15:22 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:17:51 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:21:35 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 09:22:56 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 09:25:48 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:31 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 09:26:45 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 09:33:37 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:34:27 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-235-180.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:34:38 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 09:34:49 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0025.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 09:35:29 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:35:29 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170497.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 09:41:09 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has left #lisp 09:41:11 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41:19 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 09:42:16 talyz [~user@ip35.tunnan.riksnet.nu] has joined #lisp 09:45:29 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 09:49:17 leo2007 [~leo@114.249.204.95] has joined #lisp 09:50:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:53:09 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has left #lisp 09:53:56 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 09:55:08 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:10 jmbr [~jmbr@163.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 09:55:38 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:58 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:56:51 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.238.103] has joined #lisp 09:57:28 -!- loke [~elias@bb121-6-7-96.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:40 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 09:58:14 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@163.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:58:31 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 09:59:04 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59:13 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has joined #lisp 10:02:18 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:03:35 -!- cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:06:17 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:06:26 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:06:52 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:08:15 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:08:17 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:17 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:12:49 gaidal_ [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has joined #lisp 10:14:53 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:14:53 Vinnipeg [~sa1vador@PPPoE-78-29-85-139.san.ru] has joined #lisp 10:15:40 zbeasnyy [~mornfall@ip-89-102-5-122.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 10:16:17 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:39 Soulman [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 10:18:48 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:16 yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 10:20:07 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 10:23:50 -!- galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:24:27 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:26:57 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:27:13 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 10:29:02 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 10:30:13 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has left #lisp 10:34:16 rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 10:35:53 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 10:39:49 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 10:46:44 -!- rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:55:31 rkm [~rkm@rrcs-98-101-156-68.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:56:19 -!- joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:59:17 kahmalo [~Kalle@2002:5517:2040:1:e60:76ff:fe4c:b1be] has joined #lisp 10:59:26 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:59:30 timor [~timor@port-92-195-52-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:59:33 -!- rkm [~rkm@rrcs-98-101-156-68.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:59:34 npoektop [~npoektop@85.202.112.90] has joined #lisp 11:01:58 mydik [~qle@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:46 galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:53 I think I found a trivial bug in SBCL 1.0.40.0.debian and ABCL trunk: WITH-PACKAGE-ITERATOR treats package-list-form NIL as a package name, not an empty list designator. 11:02:58 -!- muhdick [~qle@www.kiofc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:06:11 -!- mydik [~qle@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:53 kahmalo: good call. looks like a one-symbol fix. 11:07:40 kahmalo: actually, no... 11:08:09 *Xach* has turned himself in knots, has no time to untie, can't read properly yet 11:08:21 mydik [~qle@www.kiofc.com] has joined #lisp 11:10:13 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 11:10:49 gaidal__ [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has joined #lisp 11:10:49 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0025.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:54 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-188-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:12:30 -!- galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:14:17 -!- gaidal_ [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14:38 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:14:46 galumph [~ron@bzq-84-108-249-117.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:15:23 longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has joined #lisp 11:18:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-38-133.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:20:15 It's both a great advantage and disadvantage to have to export symbols from a package. Are there tools that help in collecting symbols? I could always write my own, just thought there would be several already. 11:20:45 i don't understand the premise of your question 11:23:22 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:23:32 Well, if you were to have several source files with functions/classes/methods/macros/etc. in them, and you'd like to export some of them, is there a tool that parses files and parses out possible symbols to export. 11:23:42 ? 11:24:24 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 11:24:45 The current tool is called a brain 11:24:50 Not without problems 11:26:02 Thanks Xach, I'll have a look for/at it. 11:27:23 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-27.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:26 If it doesn't work exactly like I'd like it to, then I could tweek it a bit... or something. 11:27:56 -!- gaidal__ [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:28:15 jtza8: what Xach said combined with C-c x in slime 11:29:08 plus M-x slime-export-class and M-x slime-export-structure (which are actually the same) 11:30:43 That will help. 11:31:03 -!- kahmalo [~Kalle@2002:5517:2040:1:e60:76ff:fe4c:b1be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32:31 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 11:33:21 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:36:36 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 11:36:36 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 11:36:36 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 11:39:25 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:40:13 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:40:31 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 11:40:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 11:40:38 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 11:43:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-7-40.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 11:43:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-7-40.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Changing host] 11:43:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:48:27 yakov__ [~yakov@ppp91-122-113-34.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 11:50:06 jtza8: if you want to export everything, then why do you have a package? 11:50:45 Therefore you should think about each symbol you may export. 11:51:10 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:51:34 -!- yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:53:15 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has left #lisp 11:54:04 -!- leo2007 [~leo@114.249.204.95] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 11:55:30 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-52-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:41 timor [~timor@port-92-195-52-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:56:58 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 11:58:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-142.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:11 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:24 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 12:07:14 joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has joined #lisp 12:07:57 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 12:08:11 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:31 pjb: I never said I want to export EVERYTHING. I mainly am interested in something like this so I don't forget to export something that I /should/ have. 12:13:11 But yeah, it seems brain is dead. 12:13:17 jtza8: I often use: awk '/^(def/{printf "\"%s\" ",$2}' but this doesn't deal with defstruct and things like that. 12:14:45 Tippenein [~chatzilla@97.65.218.4] has joined #lisp 12:15:16 silenius [~silenus@p54946EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:43 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 12:17:24 i'm trying to load utf-8 source with utf-8 symbol to ccl started with -K utf-8 on windows using (load "filename") form. 12:17:42 and clozure reports errors near those utf-8 non-englsh chars. 12:17:47 what am i doing wrong?! 12:17:51 pjb: Yep... there's always that way. I just think it could be streamlined a bit, so I'll go write something and report back later. 12:18:07 also, (load "filename" :external-format (make-external-format :domain :file :character-encoding :UTF-8)) 12:18:11 does not help.( 12:19:00 jtza8: another way is to load the package, and use do-symbols to collect defined things, remove imported symbols and generate an export for the rest. You can then edit this list. 12:27:10 HG` [~HG@p5DC05CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:29:10 -!- joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:29:20 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:03 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-52-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:31:08 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35:31 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-27.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:37:33 -!- yakov__ [~yakov@ppp91-122-113-34.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38:59 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:40:23 mmm... soft organic round parentheses 12:40:44 truly lisp is an aesthetic language 12:43:29 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:44:41 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.231.88] has joined #lisp 12:48:25 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:50:44 yakov__ [~yakov@ppp91-122-113-34.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 12:55:08 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:07 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 12:56:38 lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-235-180.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 12:57:41 Yay! Got my first Lisp based web apps image working with buildapp! :-D 12:58:41 pocket__ [~pocket_@p2171-ipbf1801hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:59:34 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 12:59:53 -!- pocket__ [~pocket_@p2171-ipbf1801hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has left #lisp 12:59:59 patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has joined #lisp 13:00:33 hi 13:01:11 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 13:02:17 can anyone help me with the project that i've exposed yesterday? 13:03:18 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:03:38 exposed sounds bad... :-) 13:04:10 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:11 sorry for my english...i know that's not very good =( 13:04:43 where r u from ? 13:05:04 No, I meant is sounded like the project is a mess 13:05:18 I'm not native English speaker either 13:05:28 stay in italy but coming from swiss :D 13:05:57 cool 13:06:08 u remind me of Ferrari :"> 13:06:25 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 13:06:35 *about 13:06:54 of :) 13:06:59 peterhil`: in fact..my project is a disaster XD 13:07:42 =) 13:07:46 Gmind: i don't like ferrari..i prefer pagani :D 13:08:22 however..i've to do this project but i have serious problem 13:08:30 yeah, it's up to individual style :P 13:08:40 regard my utf-8 issue. the workaroung is to COMPILE-FILE and then LOAD fasl.. 13:09:32 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:34 yesterday gigamonkey (if i don't make a mistake..this is his name) help me to make a function to define a constant in my lisp program 13:10:14 -!- yakov__ [~yakov@ppp91-122-113-34.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:27 rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 13:10:29 another person help me to define a variable 13:10:57 now i've to define a function :D 13:11:43 patagous: now you should read a lisp tutorial. Have you been given links? 13:11:53 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:23 patagous: http://www.cliki.net/Getting%20Started 13:12:38 the problem is that i haven't to use the included function of lisp like variable,constant etc... 13:13:49 -!- ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:14:00 this is what we have done yesterday 13:14:09 (defun termine (X) (cond((constant-p x) T) ((variable-p x) T) ((funzione x) T) (T nil))) 13:14:27 (defun variable-p (v) (and (symbolp v) (plusp (length (string v))) (string= #\? v :end2 1))) (defun constant-p (X) (or (numberp x) (and (symbolp x) (alpha-char-p (char (symbol-name x) 0))))) 13:14:28 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:14:58 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 13:15:07 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:24 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:25 what i need to make now is (funzione x) 13:15:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 13:16:22 and the project says about funzione (funzione ::= '(' * ')' 13:16:43 ... italian? 13:17:08 yes..i'm studing in italy 13:17:44 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 13:18:18 -!- Vinnipeg [~sa1vador@PPPoE-78-29-85-139.san.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:08 patagous: (funzione (x) (and (symbol-p (car x)) (mapcar #'termine (cdr x)))) ? 13:19:41 hmmm... not necessarily right 13:19:52 i can't use list..this is the problem.. 13:20:05 why? 13:20:30 this is the implementation of the project... 13:20:31 patagous: you don't have to define a function. Defining a function is done with defun, and you already know how to do that. 13:20:47 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:21:02 What you need, is to _parse_ a grammar rule, which is the grammar rule for the non-terminal funzione. 13:21:16 okay. time to get off. see you later! 13:21:31 bye zfx 13:21:38 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 13:21:45 this is the final testcase of the project 13:21:47 wrong channel, but bye. :) 13:22:02 (fbf2cnf '(forall ?y (exist ?x (or (p ?x ?y) (and foo (bar ?y))))) 13:23:11 funzione accept a symbol and a "termine" (which is define over) 13:23:35 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:41 patagous: why don't you have a parser generator? 13:23:48 Why didn't you write one in the first place? 13:24:03 forx example? 13:24:24 http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/rdp/ 13:24:37 Or you may use cl-yacc, zebu, etc. 13:25:14 gaidal [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has joined #lisp 13:25:28 i think i can't use that 13:25:43 because during the course we have never used it... 13:26:08 cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.73] has joined #lisp 13:26:15 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.17.73] has quit [Changing host] 13:26:15 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 13:26:41 this is what i made in a first time.. 13:26:55 (defun funzione (X) (and (termine x) (symbolp (char (symbol-namoe x) 0))) 13:27:05 but it doesn't work 13:27:32 symbol-name* 13:27:43 patagous: of course it doesn't. Look at the grammar rule: (funzione ::= '(' * ')' 13:27:50 What's before the ? 13:28:42 want you to know the define of ? 13:28:55 di you want to* 13:29:01 do* 13:29:03 That's in your grammar rules. 13:29:10 (poor my english...) 13:29:11 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:20 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #lisp 13:30:15 this is the grammar rule of termine termine ::= | | 13:30:20 (defun funzione (scanner) (accept #\( scanner) (cons (accept 'symbol scanner) (loop until (char= #\) (next-token scanner)) collect (termine scanner) finally (accept #\) scanner)))) 13:30:27 patagous: this is of no concern here. 13:30:42 patagous: the grammar rule of termine will be implemented in the different function termine. We don't care what it is. 13:31:12 (as long as the grammar is LL1, and that the follow(termine) doesn't intersect with the first(termine). 13:31:55 ok..i've undestand...i have made a big mistake :$ 13:33:30 i can't understand what this function does 13:33:32 (defun funzione (scanner) (accept #\( scanner) (cons (accept 'symbol scanner) (loop until (char= #\) (next-token scanner)) collect (termine scanner) finally (accept #\) scanner)))) 13:33:53 Do you know what a scanner is? 13:35:08 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 13:35:18 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:35:24 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:27 no..i don't 13:35:45 Then you need to revise your course, or fetch a tutorial about compilers. Come back when you know. 13:35:49 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:37:37 i know that my course is bad...i would try erasmus in italy..but i'm thinking that was better if i went to germany... 13:38:58 patagous: the same www is accessible everywhere. That's why it's called www: WORD wide web. 13:39:00 WORLD 13:39:01 I mean. 13:39:56 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 13:39:59 http://www.freetechbooks.com/compiler-design-and-construction-f14.html 13:40:07 i found this 13:40:09 -!- blackwol` is now known as blackwol 13:40:10 "Scanners create series outputs based on non-series inputs" 13:40:13 -!- blackwol is now known as blackwolf 13:41:31 For example, http://www.diku.dk/hjemmesider/ansatte/torbenm/Basics/index.html sounds good and easy. 13:41:49 In a single sentence, scanners read characters and produce tokens. 13:42:07 They implement the lexical analysis, ie. identifying the words of the language. 13:42:44 The tokens are the terminal symbols of your grammar. 13:43:42 Go read the book above. 13:44:07 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:45:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:53 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:46:59 i've try an example input in funzione but it gives me error 13:47:12 (foo 42 ?x) 13:47:41 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:48:35 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.231.88] has left #lisp 13:49:13 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-221-138.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:49:36 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 13:50:09 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:15 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:30 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.238.103] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:51:33 -!- rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52:06 Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:52:23 ikki [~ikki@189.247.116.90] has joined #lisp 13:53:30 codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has joined #lisp 13:58:12 Joreji_ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:58:50 patagous: parsing functions need a scanner to scan the source text. 13:59:11 rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 13:59:16 -!- Tippenein [~chatzilla@97.65.218.4] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224]] 14:01:12 Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 14:03:11 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 14:03:43 -!- rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:03:48 pjb: i'm reading the book... 14:03:55 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has joined #lisp 14:08:17 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09:29 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-140-175.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 14:10:13 Is there a standard way to translate strings like shell utility tr does? 14:16:04 jusski [~nesvarbu@178.99.137.64] has joined #lisp 14:17:57 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 14:18:01 I'm lost in a glass of water :$ 14:20:16 then drink it 14:20:20 :D 14:20:27 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:20:37 -!- jusski [~nesvarbu@178.99.137.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:21:06 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@74.11.123.154] has joined #lisp 14:21:25 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@113.109.108.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:22:12 i'm thinking if i should use a lambda function... 14:22:24 Gmind: not a bad idea :D 14:22:37 vs_ [~vs@59.92.201.252] has joined #lisp 14:23:43 -!- vs_ [~vs@59.92.201.252] has quit [Client Quit] 14:24:27 jusski [~nesvarbu@178.99.137.64] has joined #lisp 14:24:58 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 14:25:43 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-125-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:10 hello im new at lisp and got some weird error in simple code http://paste.lisp.org/+2LMO can someone look at it? 14:27:08 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 14:27:57 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:10 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 14:28:19 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@Eider.price.clarkson.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:27 H4ns [~H4ns@p579FB816.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:06 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has quit [Client Quit] 14:29:21 jusski: you are using #' for what is already a function-symbol 14:30:22 http://paste.lisp.org/display/121344#1 14:31:21 thx landr 14:32:50 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:17 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:59 http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/2189/1224707819435.jpg 14:35:24 ... 14:35:30 what 14:35:40 a very accurate metaphor 14:36:26 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:38:03 -!- Gmind [~Gmind@123.16.96.53] has left #lisp 14:40:57 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 14:42:10 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-100-74.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:47:13 -!- Landr [~user@78-23-213-22.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:23 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:47:29 Landr [~user@78-23-213-22.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 14:48:09 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:48:42 Damn lisp =( 14:51:08 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-100-74.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 14:53:18 cpape [~cpape@f053011241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:54:17 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-191-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:55:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-191-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:09 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 14:57:08 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 14:57:12 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.100.230] has joined #lisp 14:59:10 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-67-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:00:11 huuzzaaaaah! 15:02:14 MoALTz [~no@92.8.159.214] has joined #lisp 15:05:52 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:07:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-191-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:10:01 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:13 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 15:15:38 patagous: this has anothing to do with lisp. If you have to write a parser, then you should learn about parsers. You would have the same problem with any programming language. 15:16:18 patagous: ideas matter more than the words you use to express them, as long as you have the words to do so. (Some programming languages are poor in words, but all allow you to express the same ideas, more or less verbosely). 15:20:05 mohamehg [~hashim@41.95.12.97] has joined #lisp 15:23:48 rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:25:13 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 15:27:12 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-223.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:27:41 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-140-175.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:28:20 -!- Intensity [wY7TagI7Sg@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:27 galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:12 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-248-241-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:41 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.78.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:39:00 cpc26 [~cpc26@66-87-4-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:24 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-159-110.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:51 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.51] has joined #lisp 15:43:00 mgampkay [~mgampkay@183.3.165.50] has joined #lisp 15:43:08 -!- rurban [~demo@212-41-246-234.gries.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:44:34 -!- patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has left #lisp 15:44:52 patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has joined #lisp 15:46:16 -!- mgampkay [~mgampkay@183.3.165.50] has left #lisp 15:47:03 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:50:32 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #lisp 15:51:42 lanthan_ [~ze@p54B7BB23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:04 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-159-110.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:49 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-248-154.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:11 stassats` [~stassats@ppp78-37-183-176.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 15:54:12 -!- stassats` [~stassats@ppp78-37-183-176.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Changing host] 15:54:12 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:54:23 -!- patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:54:52 -!- lanthan [~ze@p54B7B409.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:55:55 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:03 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-248-241-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:57:42 -!- cpape [~cpape@f053011241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 15:58:29 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-105-247.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:59:22 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-105-247.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:33 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 16:00:05 -!- CrazyEddy [~Churoya@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:29 loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:29 -!- loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:00:29 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 16:00:40 patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has joined #lisp 16:01:33 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:33 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 16:02:13 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-188-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:02:16 CrazyEddy [~Midwester@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:03:45 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-105-247.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:14 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:13 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has joined #lisp 16:05:28 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:39 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.204] has joined #lisp 16:05:43 -!- H4ns [~H4ns@p579FB816.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: H4ns] 16:06:04 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-191-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06:25 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07:29 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:10 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-248-154.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:08:25 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 16:08:54 -!- CrazyEddy [~Midwester@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- lanthan_ [~ze@p54B7BB23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.116.90] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- silenius [~silenus@p54946EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- jrockway [~jrockway@jrockway-2-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- lusory [~bart@bb219-74-124-74.singnet.com.sg] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:54 -!- tmokros [~tmokros@ip24-252-247-232.cl.ri.cox.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- Evious [~Zeiris@S010600a0d1423e73.no.shawcable.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- Zol [~Zolomon@li152-84.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- TDT [~user@74.115.254.25] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- Borbus [borbus@borbus.kicks-ass.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:55 -!- vlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:56 -!- meingbg [~meingbg@c-5ee3e055.85-2-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:56 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:56 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@213.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:09:37 Bronsa [~brace@host137-175-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:10:35 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:56 CrazyEddy [~Midwester@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 lanthan_ [~ze@p54B7BB23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 ikki [~ikki@189.247.116.90] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 HG` [~HG@p5DC05CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 silenius [~silenus@p54946EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 Posterdati [~tapioca@host131-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 jrockway [~jrockway@jrockway-2-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 Evious [~Zeiris@S010600a0d1423e73.no.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 xinming [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 tmokros [~tmokros@ip24-252-247-232.cl.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 Zol [~Zolomon@li152-84.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 TDT [~user@74.115.254.25] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 Borbus [borbus@borbus.kicks-ass.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 vlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 meingbg [~meingbg@c-5ee3e055.85-2-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 16:10:56 lnostdal [~Lars@213.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:11:23 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-107-167.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:27 lusory [~bart@bb219-74-124-74.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 16:11:40 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:11:57 rurban [~demo@88-117-9-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 16:13:33 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:13:40 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 16:14:26 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #lisp 16:14:49 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.100.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:16:17 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18:03 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 16:18:19 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has left #lisp 16:19:04 Woshin [~Woshin@c-66-30-108-153.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:07 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:19:09 djinni` [~djinni`@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:05 xinming [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has joined #lisp 16:20:39 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-105-247.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:40 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:46 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:21:02 daniel [~daniel@p5082BB29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:49 rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has joined #lisp 16:23:33 sacho_ [~sacho@87-126-50-194.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 16:23:41 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:11 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5B326AF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:25 Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has joined #lisp 16:24:27 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-189.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:24:33 Soulman2 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:24:50 was Brandon Van Every making the rounds some years ago as well? this feels like a repeat 16:25:58 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 16:26:18 em_ [~em@user-0cev0hn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:26:51 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-112-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 16:26:51 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:56 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:59 -!- sacho [~sacho@87-126-50-194.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:00 -!- Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:00 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-107-167.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:00 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:00 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-112-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:00 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:00 -!- talyz [~user@ip35.tunnan.riksnet.nu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:00 Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:27:00 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:01 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:01 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:01 gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has joined #lisp 16:27:01 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:09 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:27:24 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:27:28 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-107-167.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:46 -!- Soulman [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:57 the name definitely rings a bell 16:28:25 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:28:51 -!- rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:53 Yes. 16:29:18 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 16:29:40 minion: logs 16:29:50 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 16:30:05 googling '"brandon van every" troll lisp' is quite illustrative 16:30:07 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8200C8.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:30:46 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:19 -!- em_ [~em@user-0cev0hn.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: As a wild ass in the desert go I forth to my work] 16:31:41 BrokenCog [~bc@pool-108-18-161-218.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:44 emma_ [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 16:31:47 gigamonkey: good evening :D 16:31:53 -!- mohamehg [~hashim@41.95.12.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31:54 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 16:32:35 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 16:33:17 -!- emma_ is now known as em 16:33:28 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #lisp 16:35:12 Taggnostr2 [~x@dyn57-215.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 16:36:11 -!- Soulman2 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:17 Hi patagous 16:36:47 Soulman [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:37:16 -!- antgreen [~user@12.232.236.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:41 -!- Taggnostr3 [~x@dyn57-215.yok.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:11 -!- lusory [~bart@bb219-74-124-74.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:11 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:13 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:28 antgreen [~user@12.232.236.137] has joined #lisp 16:38:31 lusory [~bart@bb219-74-124-74.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 16:38:36 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:40:32 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:40:41 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:40:42 Atomsk [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:02 -!- Atomsk is now known as ace4016 16:43:37 drdo` [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:44:10 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:46:58 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 16:49:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 16:54:57 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 16:55:08 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: berb] 16:55:24 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 16:55:35 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 16:59:23 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:44 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 17:00:16 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-105-247.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:31 -!- jusski [~nesvarbu@178.99.137.64] has quit [Quit: jusski] 17:09:30 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 17:09:30 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 17:09:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:09:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:46 Deathaholic [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 17:09:48 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-194-209-80.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:21 loke [~elias@bb121-6-7-96.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 17:10:40 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 17:10:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 17:10:40 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:11:16 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@74.11.123.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- agumonkey [~agumonkey@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-45763541.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:17 -!- Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:19 Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:11:32 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:32 -!- _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:32 -!- yahooooo2 [~yahooooo@ec2-184-72-7-126.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:32 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:36 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:37 _3b [foobar@72.179.19.4] has joined #lisp 17:11:42 udzinari` [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 17:11:45 agumonkey [~agumonkey@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:04 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:42 yahooooo [~yahooooo@ec2-184-72-7-126.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 17:12:57 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 17:13:58 -!- Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15:36 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@74.11.123.154] has joined #lisp 17:16:04 -!- df_aldur [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:16:51 df_aldur [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:05 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20:23 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483B7AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:32 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 17:20:33 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483B7AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:41 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:02 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:21:14 talyz [~user@ip35.tunnan.riksnet.nu] has joined #lisp 17:21:34 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #lisp 17:23:43 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has joined #lisp 17:24:34 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has left #lisp 17:25:08 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.20.54.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25:17 -!- Areil [~user@123.20.54.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26:38 minion: come back to life! 17:26:52 -!- udzinari` is now known as udzinari 17:27:29 Somebody so write a meta-minion bot, we could ask to revive minion. 17:27:36 s/so/should/ 17:27:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-189.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:04 meta-minion: tell minion: rise and walk! 17:28:25 *at least talk* 17:28:39 pjb: you need to write a meta-meta-minion first 17:29:10 and name him mmminion 17:29:12 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-188-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:37 stassats`: well, the same meta-minion bot could run on two different computers and restart one another too. 17:29:47 Let's call the mother and father. 17:29:52 lundis [~lundis@dyn56-304.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 17:29:52 father: check on mother 17:30:00 mother: tell minion: rise and walk. 17:30:12 and there can be two minions too 17:30:26 Yes. 17:30:32 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-210-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:30:39 add one more and they can play basketball :D 17:31:47 against specbots? 17:32:02 agains other channel bots 17:32:19 specbot would be the arbiter 17:32:47 ..conform or parish! 17:33:29 mheld_ [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:47 -!- Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has quit [] 17:36:11 -!- mheld_ [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:39:56 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-27.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:13 -!- gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41:01 Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:41:21 Areil [~user@123.21.159.220] has joined #lisp 17:41:42 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 17:42:04 gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has joined #lisp 17:42:05 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:45:45 -!- jkkramer [~anonymous@cpe-74-74-238-42.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: jkkramer] 17:47:29 -!- rme [rme@clozure-ABAB5F25.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 17:47:29 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-125-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 17:50:41 Guest20280 [~Love@77.245.6.6] has joined #lisp 17:52:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53:07 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@66-87-4-242.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 17:53:48 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:58:41 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@74.11.123.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:58 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.159.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:30 -!- gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:05:38 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:21 josemanuel [~josemanue@173.252.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:09:19 -!- Guest20280 [~Love@77.245.6.6] has quit [K-Lined] 18:09:33 gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has joined #lisp 18:10:25 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@173.252.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:31 -!- Landr [~user@78-23-213-22.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:23 -!- Deathaholic [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13:56 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19:59 -!- slyrus [~slyrus@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:20:04 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:20:15 slyrus [~slyrus@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:50 -!- Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:21:06 Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:21:29 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:52 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:22:55 -!- PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:10 -!- bob_sage [~bobsage@c-24-130-218-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:26:51 PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has joined #lisp 18:27:22 Deathaholic [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 18:31:02 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 18:32:06 HG`` [~HG@p579F7536.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:16 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 18:33:21 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:34:38 Liera [~Liera@123.21.159.220] has joined #lisp 18:35:12 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.21.159.220] has quit [Client Quit] 18:35:34 -!- Deathaholic [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:36:09 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 18:37:29 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-107-167.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38:07 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-197-24.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:56 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.231.88] has joined #lisp 18:39:08 hi, anybody knows how reverse is implemented? 18:39:19 or nreverse 18:39:35 sounds like homework to me! 18:40:34 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:41:06 http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/l99/p05.lisp 18:41:12 But I still don't know. 18:41:27 -!- silenius [~silenus@p54946EAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:41:29 pjb: :D 18:41:36 thanks 18:45:24 kenanb: but just typing (reverse M-. in your emacs+slime buffer would jump to the source of reverse in your implementation. 18:45:46 pjb: it didn't somehow 18:45:47 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:45:56 With ccl it works better. 18:46:05 IMO, ccl is the nicest implementation. 18:46:08 kenanb: are you using lispworks or allegro? 18:46:20 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-253.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:27 Fade: sbcl 18:46:32 i got this: (DEFUN REVERSE) 18:46:34 (:DEFOPTIMIZER REVERSE SB-C:DERIVE-TYPE) (DEFUN REVERSE) 18:46:36 (:DEFOPTIMIZER REVERSE SB-C:DERIVE-TYPE) 18:46:47 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has joined #lisp 18:46:48 Yes, sbcl is somewhat hostile. 18:46:49 put the cursor at the line where it says (DEFUN REVERSE) 18:47:08 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-213-86.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 18:47:24 should open the form in another buffer. 18:47:36 somehow it doesn't 18:47:39 :) 18:47:43 works for me. 18:47:45 heh 18:48:00 sbcl's reverse is in src/code/seq.lisp. 18:48:01 it is completely noninteractive usual text line in my emacs 18:48:28 C-c C-d C-d should point you there. 18:48:31 Perhaps it depends on the compilation option sbcl has to ease run-time patch. 18:48:40 not enough information to even attempt a guess. 18:48:50 kenanb: that means you're doing something wrong 18:49:01 xale: it did, thanks 18:49:25 stassats`: i agree, but i don't know what i can do wrong in something that simple 18:49:49 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-213-86.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 18:50:00 *Fade* finds spurious ^L chars in seq.lisp 18:50:20 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:50:32 xale: btw it didn't take me to the source, it took me to documentation 18:50:45 is it possible that i can't reach the source because i don't have it? 18:50:58 how did you install sbcl? 18:51:05 downloaded binary 18:51:12 "Yes" 18:51:16 i guess the binaries doesn't include source 18:51:50 i then copied the source to src dir but i guess it doesn't see it unless i set some variable that points to source dir 18:51:53 anyway 18:53:18 well, there are def's for that function in all the free CL implementations. 18:53:22 compare and contrast. 18:53:58 ccl's is particularly compact. 18:55:03 Liera [~Liera@123.21.159.220] has joined #lisp 18:55:08 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:16 hmm it is defined as a macro 18:55:36 i mean reverse-list is 18:56:38 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-165-6.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:33 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:39 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 19:01:09 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.21.159.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:02:13 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:03:06 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:52 -!- Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:03:59 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:08:19 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 19:10:15 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-253.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:52 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #lisp 19:11:12 -!- Areil [~user@123.21.159.220] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:11:53 hi people 19:12:09 what about embedded linux + lisp to build a simple robot? 19:12:16 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-253.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:12:16 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 19:12:50 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.231.88] has left #lisp 19:13:09 I like the idea to have a REPL on a remote piece of hardware 19:15:49 what's so great about it? 19:16:53 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 19:16:53 exotic 19:20:14 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 19:24:57 -!- HG`` [~HG@p579F7536.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:27:08 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:28:32 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:29:59 -!- gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:32 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:36:05 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:41 And you only need a serial line to implement it. 19:37:05 Nor an UDP/IP network connection. 19:38:11 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-27.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:38:50 tippenein [~chatzilla@97.65.218.4] has joined #lisp 19:39:11 jtza8_ [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-101-24.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:39:21 echo '(mapcar (function open-door) moon-station:*all-sas*)'| nc -u -p 12851 moon-station.alpha.org.moon # oops. 19:39:55 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:41:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-38-133.iburst.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:41:38 You must mean `moon-unit.alpha.org.moon'... 19:43:08 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 19:43:21 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:44:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@87.96.152.79] has joined #lisp 19:46:52 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-232-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:00 pjb: you've just killed capt. Koenig 19:47:38 http://www.megomuseum.com/teevee/99koenig.html 19:48:24 wzergw [~hynek@ip-62-245-66-12.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 19:48:56 pjb: why do you need to build all list after opened all the moonbase doors? 19:50:14 fisxoj [~fisxoj@24.59.205.231] has joined #lisp 19:50:57 -!- EarlGray [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:51:37 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-232-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:39 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-232-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:53 drm [~drm@cpc2-cmbg14-2-0-cust310.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:52:26 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:54:50 echo '(mapcar '(lambda (crewman) (teleport crewman (random-double-float-matrix 3 1 :max 1000))) enterprise:crew)' | nc -u -p 12851 19:55:35 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-104-125-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:42 pjb: so? 19:55:56 Fix your shell quotation, Posterdati. 19:56:12 Riastradh: uh? 19:56:24 ` 19:56:42 '(mapcar '"'"'...' or '(mapcar '\''...' 19:57:03 ah ok 19:58:10 echo "(mapcar '(lambda (crewman) (teleport crewman (random-double-float-matrix 3 1 :max 1000))) enterprise:crew)" | nc -u -p 12851 19:58:15 would be better 19:58:35 (Here's my favourite fragment of shell script: x="`printf '%s' "${y}" | sed -e 's/'"'"'/'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'/g'`" It is distressingly useful.) 19:59:07 (Nested double-quotes and the beautiful string of '"'"'"'"' nonsense!) 19:59:15 lol 19:59:44 teleport would be funny with random place coordinates 19:59:45 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00:31 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.88.48] has joined #lisp 20:00:51 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:02:42 Riastradh: what does that actually do? 20:02:56 replaces ' with '"'"' I think 20:03:00 BrokenCog: windows? 20:03:25 Posterdati: what about windows? 20:03:37 BrokenCog: are you on windows or linux? 20:03:59 Well, you need to specify a real distribution on the possible positions, Posterdati. (You certainly wouldn't want a uniform distribution on the set of possible double-float values -- most of them are NaNs, anyway!) In order to do that, you either need to specify a non-uniform distribution (e.g., something centred at a particular point and fading out exponentially), or prove the finitude of the global geometry/topology of the universe in order to 20:04:09 Posterdati: oh. *nix. I'm looking at the series of quotes wondering what it is parsing. 20:04:29 BrokenCog: ah ok 20:05:14 Riastradh: nah, useless... Would be better to see people materializing within walls, floor and so on 20:05:26 without a specified distribution 20:05:51 I mean materialize people within people 20:05:52 s/most/a large subset/1 20:06:07 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.115.33] has joined #lisp 20:06:15 a cube 1km per edge :) 20:06:18 zepard [~zepard@unaffiliated/zepard] has joined #lisp 20:06:37 centered on the starship 20:07:05 hi 20:07:06 Only about 1/256 of the floats are NaN. 20:08:20 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:08:54 I'm slightly sad that I can't make echo ${y/\'/\'\"\'\"\'} do the /g thing to make Riastradh happier 20:09:18 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:09:20 Fewer than that, pjb. There are 2^64 distinct double-float values, and 2^52 - 2 NaNs. 20:09:49 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@24.59.205.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:11:04 Krystof, that wouldn't make me happy anyway because ${x/y/z} is not portable shell; I'm guessing it's a bashism or something. There's not much sense in using shell scripts if I don't care about portability; I'd reach for a more reasonable language instead. 20:11:06 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:11:11 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:12:10 it's bash, yes 20:12:49 -!- drm [~drm@cpc2-cmbg14-2-0-cust310.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:13:04 (I don't have bash here in the first place. I have sh, csh, ksh, and zsh.) 20:13:32 wow, and I thought I was a luddite 20:13:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:14:02 Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has joined #lisp 20:14:22 MoALTz [~no@92.9.77.103] has joined #lisp 20:15:02 oh, I take it back, I can do it: ${y//\'/\'\"\'\"\'} 20:15:16 I was misled by reading the man page as if it were precise documentation 20:15:44 csr21@omega:~$ y="foo'''bar"; echo ${y//\'/\'\"\'\"\'} 20:15:44 foo'"'"''"'"''"'"'bar 20:16:04 doesn't solve the portability problem, of course. But I can go to bed satisfied that I have set the world to rights 20:16:39 pnq [~nick@ACA2CF56.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:18:34 pjb: love your email footer :) 20:20:02 nathanael [~nathanael@cable-86-56-104-170.cust.telecolumbus.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:21 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 20:20:31 Riastradh: don't you like bash? 20:21:05 No. I use zsh interactively, and sh for scripts when I can't get away with Scheme. 20:21:33 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:21:59 anyone here writing AI for Starcraft by CL ? 20:22:21 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87e92e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:14 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 20:28:12 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-161.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:29:03 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #lisp 20:30:03 udzinari: I copied it from somewhere. 20:30:34 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:30:35 Gmind: somone in #lispgames might 20:30:42 -!- nathanael [~nathanael@cable-86-56-104-170.cust.telecolumbus.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 20:31:11 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 20:32:42 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2005.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:33:00 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 20:33:13 Gmind: what is starcraft? 20:33:33 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:34:03 benny [~benny@i577A3D9E.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:19 a strategy game 20:34:36 Gmind: ah that one, ok 20:34:50 don't u play it ? 20:35:05 Gmind: ehm no, only opensource or ps2 games :) 20:36:00 nice :| 20:36:07 is here somone who could test an aval on clisp --on mips? (PRIN1-TO-STRING (SIN (* 8 (/ PI 2)))) 20:36:53 zepard: I've got a INDIGO2 here but no lisp on it, but wait maybe there's anything on nekochan 20:36:58 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:37:38 Gmind: do you actually program AI for games? 20:38:45 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-161.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:39:32 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-188-30.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:42:13 hum 20:42:30 maybe sparc or mac, to compare my results? 20:43:43 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:44:25 zepard: x86-64 mac: -4.898587196589413d-16 20:45:05 -!- patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:45:06 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:45:19 udzinari: is it clisp? 20:45:23 or sbcl 20:45:34 ah crap sec 20:45:41 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 20:45:48 cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has joined #lisp 20:46:24 why does it have to be prin1-to-string/ 20:46:25 ? 20:46:30 zepard: here's from clisp: 2.0066230454737344098L-19 20:46:43 same here 20:46:59 And in clisp, it's meaningless since you could set the precision of the long-floats including PI at as many digits you'd want. 20:47:00 stassats`: print is not important 20:47:36 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:47:52 thanks udzinari 20:48:01 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.116.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48:11 pjb: ok 20:48:14 zepard: so, what does it tell you? 20:48:32 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002ab8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:33 "2.0066230423015364904L-19" 20:49:07 2.157[1195 digits]55084L-1204 20:49:18 i mean, what does it mean? 20:49:19 with (setf (EXT:LONG-FLOAT-DIGITS) 4000) 20:49:28 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:49:56 xinming [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has joined #lisp 20:50:15 Posterdati ,yes I am 20:50:26 why is it different ? i don't know 20:50:59 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 20:51:16 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 20:51:24 zepard: because the precision of long-floats can be set by the user. 20:51:26 Gmind: :) 20:51:36 -!- tippenein [~chatzilla@97.65.218.4] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 20:52:01 pjb: well here it is a default compiling , install 20:52:09 Gmind: this is a fascinating area, I'm always asking how an AI soldier shoudl work (look at SOCOM ps2 games serie) 20:52:10 tested on x86 and mips 20:52:36 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host137-175-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:52:40 With the default clisp setting, on x86_64 linux, 2.0066230454737344098L-19 20:52:50 yes 20:52:56 zepard: but there's no difference, they're all 0.0 20:53:07 of course 20:53:11 mon_key` [~user@209.12.98.224] has joined #lisp 20:53:31 I was playing with clisp's tests 20:53:49 which fails on mips (OpenBSD) 20:54:01 writing test case for floating point is hell. 20:54:03 Posterdati, it's pretty interesting section, u should be in :P 20:54:18 Gmind: where? 20:54:54 Gmind: soldier = software agent living in a particular environment 20:55:53 s/living/dying/ 20:56:04 :) 20:56:42 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:58:10 "load and compile Swank/Slime extesnsions from outside slime/contrib/" http://paste.lisp.org/+2LMX 20:58:22 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59:26 there are too much comments in this code 21:00:33 Comments are never too many 21:00:56 they are when you can't see code through them 21:01:00 ikki [~ikki@189.247.116.90] has joined #lisp 21:01:03 What if it doesn't occur to me that (+ 1 2) means the sum of 1 and 2? 21:01:07 You should properly comment that 21:01:14 hah 21:01:53 drdo: that's because code is wrong, it should be (- 4 1), when you write the right code, you don't need any comments 21:02:06 Yes, i should have left it without any explanation. It would have been immediately clear to all. Esp. as it writes files to ~/ and loads code at slime init... 21:02:21 stassats`: That's debatable! 21:04:22 -!- galumph [~ron@bzq-84-108-249-117.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:37 pjb: in urbanterror dying 21:05:32 and the docstring with #.(format nil) is just ridiculous 21:05:35 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:32 stassats`: Whatever. I like my docstrings delimited with interleaving newlines. Besides, you can't gripe about the code being over commented and then bitch b/c i try to preserver vertical space in the code by eliding empty lines! 21:08:18 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 21:08:37 When your comments more than double your code in size 21:08:37 Landr [~user@78-23-213-22.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 21:08:41 Something is seriously fucked up 21:08:47 well, i was just trying to read that code, and the amount of non-code significantly hinders this enterprise 21:09:08 you can never have enough documentation! 21:10:09 and with format nil i can't read it even if i wanted to 21:10:40 drdo: I was trying to share something that i'm pretty sure may _NOT_ be immediately clear to others w/re slime-init and certainly isn't well documented in the Slime manual. Obv. I would not maintain the same amount of commenting in my code where it is immediately clear what was the intent. 21:11:48 stassats`: sure you can, change nil -> t and eval it. 21:12:15 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:13:20 i don't understand why do you need code to write that code into .swank.lisp? 21:13:59 so, is that a real contrib you want to load? 21:14:00 stassats`: where is could I write it to ensure the functions are availabe on slime init? 21:15:05 i would imagine opening that file in emacs and putting it there would be an easier thing to do 21:15:15 stassats`: It is user-code I've written that i don't want to synchronize to slime/contrib... as the verbose commenting should have indicated 21:15:39 mon_key`: so, where is the .el loading part? 21:16:17 -!- agumonkey [~agumonkey@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:16:21 is there a defacto standard for joining hash-tables? (it's a one-liner but I prefer reuse) 21:16:23 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:16:32 no 21:16:34 The slime side stuff is in an .el. The code loaded and compiled from the other swank-side related and needs to be present at slime init .swank.lisp 21:16:36 thanks stassats` 21:16:53 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-172-98.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:19:11 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-166-37.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:19:27 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-19-210.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:28 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:21:19 mon_key`: i don't really understand what are you trying to do, but i would imagine that putting .el file into somewhere in the load-path and then putting its name into `slime-setup' call, and then putting (swank-require 'name-of-the-contrib path-to-it) into .swank.lisp being enough 21:24:05 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:25:41 -!- mon_key` [~user@209.12.98.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:27:32 macrocat [~marmalade@142.177.245.100] has joined #lisp 21:27:46 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 21:27:47 http://antoszka.pl/els2011/  not much of the ELS actually, but yeah, that's what I got (flash required). 21:28:24 flash required? gosh! 21:29:08 Actually this gallery is the only good use I've flash put to. 21:29:16 sabalabas [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:20 I've seen* 21:29:37 g'night 21:29:40 -!- zepard [~zepard@unaffiliated/zepard] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:29:53 antoszka: You don't need flash to do something like that 21:30:16 i've seen people getting by showing photos without flash, but what do i know 21:30:44 flash is really sick 21:30:49 should be dead in a couple of years 21:30:55 This is what comes of out of lightroom and looks decent, but OK, I'll do another one, without flash. 21:31:39 danieljames [~danieljam@94-193-7-241.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:32:02 flash is ok, but it doesn't work in w3m! 21:32:21 Hello Room. What is the lisp equivalent of "\n" in C 21:32:23 flash is NOT ok! 21:32:32 danieljames: no such thing 21:32:44 #\Newline ? 21:32:53 oconnore: that's not an equivalent 21:33:01 danieljames: What do you want to do? 21:33:56 stassats`: i guess not exactly. 21:34:01 (defun concat-with-newline (list) 21:34:02 (concat-with "#\Newline" list)) 21:34:10 make that function work as one would expect 21:34:17 danieljames: there are options to get a new-line into a string: a) put it there b) (format nil "some-string~%") c) don't bother putting it there, just print with a new-line with terpri, or write-line 21:34:18 oh 21:34:22 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A7D71.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:32 danieljames: i wouldn't expect such function to exist 21:35:18 why? 21:35:36 I'm just concatenating a bunch of strings with newlines 21:35:44 well, I'm trying to 21:35:48 danieljames: Why do you want to do that? 21:36:19 to generate a bunch of lines of sql 21:37:00 danieljames: you could do (with-output-to-string (var) (loop for i in list do (format var "~A~%" i))) 21:37:23 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:37:38 ok I've achieved it by just literally inserting the newline into my file 21:38:01 oconnore: that's called (format nil "~{~a~^~%~}" list) 21:38:42 let me try that- I guess format is the best way for this kind of thing 21:39:32 thanks that's great 21:39:58 It's an improvement on my, (defun concat-with (separator list) 21:39:58 (reduce #'(lambda (x y) (concatenate 'string x separator y)) (remove-if-not #'stringp list))) 21:40:10 stassats`: neat, i guess i don't know enough format tricks. 21:40:16 ^let the constructive criticism begin! 21:41:19 (remove-if-not #'stringp list) bit is suspicious 21:41:22 drdo: Flash dumped. 21:42:46 antoszka: Are there videos of it (or audio) ? 21:42:47 -!- BrokenCog [~bc@pool-108-18-161-218.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:42:51 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:42:57 stassats`: is there a way to ignore nil entries in the format string? 21:43:15 sure, but why would you want to? 21:43:17 drdo: I didn't see anyone filming the talks, unfortunately. 21:43:23 :S 21:43:42 drdo: There might be some audio recordings, not that I'm aware of. Didier Verna will know, probably. 21:43:44 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:43:56 i have a bunch of functions, some of which return nil, e.g. for options that aren't there 21:43:59 Even when they film it, it's never available 21:44:41 BrokenCog [~bc@pool-108-18-161-218.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:19 what's the paste limit here, is 7 lines ok? 21:45:20 drdo: For copyright reasons? 21:45:33 danieljames: Use paste.lisp.org when possible. 21:45:33 stassats`: you can probably tell me a much better way of doing this 21:45:34 antoszka: Think so 21:45:46 antoszka: ok thanks 21:45:53 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:07 antoszka: Don't really know why, they don't have anything to lose by making it available 21:46:25 quite the opposite 21:46:26 danieljames: what are you really trying to do? 21:46:51 you said sql, what do you do with that sql? 21:47:04 http://paste.lisp.org/display/121357 21:47:49 I'm a C# coder by day, and a lisp newbie by night. I want to generate some sql, and some objects in C# but my schema is evolving fast 21:48:02 what is NIF? 21:48:29 Intensity [cop7S3Zncr@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 21:48:36 Probably an overzealous refactoring of 'if something otherwise nil' 21:48:39 danieljames: Why do you need to have an actual string? 21:49:05 why not just use IF? 21:49:11 drdo: I'm guessing by the question I don't- at the end of it, I want to stream out some files. 21:49:32 (format nil "~{~@[~a~^~%~]~}" list) 21:49:36 or WHEN 21:49:59 oconnore: it will insert a new-line at the end if there's a NIL at the end 21:50:55 danieljames: So why don't you just write it to a stream? 21:50:56 dang, and i thought i had out format-foo'ed you. 21:51:21 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:51:22 And if you really want a string afterall, you can just (with-output-to-string (stream) (write-whatever stream)) 21:51:36 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 21:52:06 oconnore: the correct format string becomes increasingly ugly 21:52:23 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:52:31 thanks guys 21:52:58 oconnore: "~1{~@[~a~]~}~@*~{~@[~%~a~]~}" 21:53:12 how about that? 21:53:30 FORMAT considered harmful 21:53:47 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:54:18 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:54:51 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-193-241-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:56 stassats`: heh, it dumps a newline if the first element is nil 21:55:00 even that doesn't work 21:56:08 and it's totally wrong 21:56:10 -!- sabalabas [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:17 well, need to increase some ugliness 21:56:20 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:06 ericbb [~user@blk-224-153-99.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 21:59:29 at this point we might as well do (run-external-program "/usr/bin/perl" "...") 22:00:10 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:00:41 what? 22:02:30 bingo: "~{~@{~@[~a~0^~]~}~@{~@[~%~a~]~}~}" 22:02:32 that was easy 22:03:54 -!- BrokenCog [~bc@pool-108-18-161-218.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:03:56 agumonkey [~agumonkey@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:26 ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:04:31 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:04:35 and it's less ugly then the previous variant 22:04:41 s/then/than/ 22:08:29 Spion__ [~spion@79.125.200.245] has joined #lisp 22:09:34 shorter: "~{~@[~a~@{~@[~0^~]~}~^~%~]~}" 22:09:56 and more elegant 22:10:11 what does the nested ~{ ~@{ do? 22:11:02 skips over NILs 22:11:12 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:11:48 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:11:49 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:13:14 are you were asking in general? 22:13:45 well both 22:13:57 if you remove the nested ~@{ from your string, it still works 22:14:05 it doesn't appear to do anything 22:14:31 @ modifier lets ~{ take arguments directly, without a list, (format t "~@{~a~}" 1 2 3) => 123 22:14:32 (format nil "~{~@[~a~@[~0^~]~^~%~]~}" list) 22:16:46 Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:17:13 oconnore: won't work when it ends with two NILs 22:17:40 ~@{~} loops until the first non-nil 22:18:01 ok 22:18:26 format is serious business 22:18:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-210-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:03 -!- agumonkey [~agumonkey@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 22:21:43 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:21 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:22:22 Atomsk [ace4016@adsl-32-125-145.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:07 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2CF56.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:24:12 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:22 very 22:25:11 though i still haven't figured out how to print fibonacci numbers with it 22:25:27 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 22:26:10 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:29 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:46 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:08 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170497.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:29:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:03 -!- ericbb [~user@blk-224-153-99.eastlink.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:41 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 22:37:01 i know only how to print powers of 2 22:38:07 how do you do that? 22:38:17 -!- jtza8_ [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-101-24.wbs.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:38:17 (format nil "~10{~a~:*~v*~:*~^,~}" (loop for i from 1 to 1024 collect i)) => "1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512," 22:38:28 it's not very clean, you need a list of numbers beforehand 22:38:30 beach [~user@116.118.47.142] has joined #lisp 22:38:39 Good morning everyone! 22:38:54 good morning 22:39:44 hello beach 22:41:27 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:41:53 yeah, morning, right. 22:43:24 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:43:36 stassats`: what is the ~v*? i don't see it documented http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_cga.htm 22:44:19 it's documented here http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/22_c.htm 22:44:33 oh, i see 22:47:05 that's clever 22:49:16 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53:30 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.96.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:54:47 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-179-161.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:56:41 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-114-253.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:58:37 -!- Atomsk is now known as ace4016 22:59:48 -!- Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:00:04 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 23:00:04 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Changing host] 23:00:05 Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has joined #lisp 23:03:14 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-234-171-251.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:10 -!- cipher_ [~cipher@c-76-24-16-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:17:24 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:17:25 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:59 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 23:18:58 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:19:11 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 23:19:26 -!- rurban [~demo@88-117-9-181.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:20:09 -!- wzergw [~hynek@ip-62-245-66-12.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:22 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 23:24:15 rurban [~demo@178-191-154-52.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 23:27:04 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:28:09 DiaitaDoc [~DiaitaDoc@bas1-ottawa01-1176119748.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:31:27 -!- DiaitaDoc [~DiaitaDoc@bas1-ottawa01-1176119748.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 23:32:05 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 23:32:13 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:33:05 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-27.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:41 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:36 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 23:39:29 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:42:33 Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has joined #lisp 23:44:55 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:45:35 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 23:45:52 pnq [~nick@ACA21A10.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:46:46 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Client Quit] 23:46:53 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 23:51:58 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.59.215.89] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:53:29 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 23:57:27 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:46 -!- Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:59:10 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-235-180.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]