00:03:10 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has joined #lisp 00:03:17 -!- binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:49 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 00:06:11 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-216-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:36 nikania [~nikania@c-24-16-137-194.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:14:05 Hello, I would really appreciate it if someone helps me write this function. (expand '(a (3 b) (3 a) b (2 c) (3 a)) should be (a b b b a a a b c c a a a) 00:14:38 Im trying to use recursive programming but im having some trouble 00:16:12 nikania: try sharing what you have so far at paste.lisp.org 00:16:15 -!- tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-kmondpdxxdpypxah] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18:02 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 00:18:34 ok here is my code, but it's not right. http://paste.lisp.org/+2LLH 00:19:04 I know I'm supposed to have a helper function that generates a list of values 00:19:21 nikania: Try in #scheme 00:19:32 nikania: This channel is dedicated to common lisp. 00:19:33 Adlai``` [~adlai@93-172-42-32.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 00:19:52 nikania: And good luck with SICP. :) 00:20:18 and then this function gets called by the main function. redline6: aren't the two similar? ok, I'll do that. 00:21:01 -!- Adlai`` [~adlai@93-172-1-112.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23:00 -!- nikania [~nikania@c-24-16-137-194.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 00:25:25 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:36 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:19 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 00:28:19 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 00:28:19 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 00:32:53 -!- quodlibetor [~user@NYUFGA-GUESTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:01 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:11 quodlibetor [~user@NYUFGA-GUESTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 00:33:46 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:36:00 cpc26 [~cpc26@66-87-6-166.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 00:36:49 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:53 -!- quodlibetor [~user@NYUFGA-GUESTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:40:12 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@66-87-6-166.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:40:56 gor[e] [~svr@gw1.masterhost.ru] has joined #lisp 00:41:34 -!- pmurias [~pawel@89-72-232-106.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:43:24 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 00:44:29 quodlibetor [~user@DIGITALSTUDIOCOMPUTER18.ART.ED.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 00:44:33 Joreji__ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 00:45:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:48:01 kennyd [kennyd@93-139-41-147.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 00:55:12 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483DD7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:57:06 tmokros [~tmokros@ip24-252-247-232.cl.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:57:46 CrazyEddy [~Churoya@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 00:58:02 -!- quodlibetor [~user@DIGITALSTUDIOCOMPUTER18.ART.ED.NYU.EDU] has left #lisp 01:00:03 fihi09 [~user@pool-71-190-76-39.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:03 -!- rvncerr [~rvncerr@rvncerr.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:50 quodlibetor [~user@DIGITALSTUDIOCOMPUTER18.ART.ED.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 01:03:01 Xach: Your octet-bit-vector with shift and constant ldb byte is super. FWIW this is the best i could muster: http://paste.lisp.org/+2LKZ/3 01:04:03 -!- quodlibetor [~user@DIGITALSTUDIOCOMPUTER18.ART.ED.NYU.EDU] has left #lisp 01:05:02 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.205.212] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:07:02 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 01:07:20 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 01:08:26 it's faster because it's much better formatted. 01:08:51 so it's easier for the compiler to read, understand and optimize. 01:10:38 xale: Maybe.. but the if branch is what SBCL will optimize a logibitp to. 01:11:06 xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has joined #lisp 01:13:03 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:55 -!- Joreji__ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15:22 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:15:29 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:38 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 01:21:18 evening y'all 01:23:02 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:23:15 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:18 yello slyrus 01:23:29 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:40 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 01:23:56 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 01:23:56 how much does a rungekutta function take time to eval ? 01:24:22 i got one running in maxima taking very long time, just by loading the runge.mac thing 01:27:21 Raykon [~user@bl14-196-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:29:37 rungekutta is very fast normally 01:29:44 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-91.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:30:45 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 01:30:45 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 01:30:45 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 01:32:17 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 01:33:42 nefo_ [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 01:33:50 -!- nefo_ [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:54 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:40:08 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-91.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:43:28 -!- kaek [~b@c-c3cae253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:28 -!- kae [~b@c-c3cae253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:51 Hermanski [~b@c-c3cae253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 01:43:55 kae [~b@c-c3cae253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 01:50:21 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 01:53:43 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:59 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.13.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:54:38 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-65-203-181.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:57:16 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-96-254-154-66.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:16 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-96-254-154-66.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:57:16 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 02:09:02 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-114.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:11:45 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:13:53 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:34 -!- billitch [~billitch@87-231-48-244.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:16:42 Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.13.43] has joined #lisp 02:17:58 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:18:53 pnq [~nick@ACA33078.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 02:23:40 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:32:16 Adlai```` [~adlai@89-139-1-37.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 02:32:35 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:34:08 -!- Adlai``` [~adlai@93-172-42-32.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:34:12 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 02:34:22 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 02:39:40 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:40:07 fisxoj [~fisxoj@149.43.217.6] has joined #lisp 02:41:08 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 02:43:50 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@76.233.177.94] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 02:44:52 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@149.43.217.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:45:46 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87f967.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:51:21 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-95-45.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 02:54:34 -!- kennyd [kennyd@93-139-41-147.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:59:59 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:01:07 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.13.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:03:59 how do i do that minion convey this message trick 03:04:14 minion: take a memo 03:04:25 minion is not here 03:05:03 doh 03:05:27 but it would be something like "minion: memo for danlentz: this is how you post a memo" 03:07:24 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 03:07:24 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 03:07:24 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 03:09:35 thanks -- snippeted away to await the return of minion 03:11:22 minion: memo for test: snippet 03:14:51 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.108.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:19:16 JamezQ [~james@78.sub-174-253-230.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 03:19:20 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20:21 So, i'm reading land of lisp, on the "make your own text game" part. First time with lisp, using emacs to make the game. 03:20:56 And something i wrote doesn't work, but when I copy and pasted it from the book it did. And I can't for the life of me see the difference. 03:21:46 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4088.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:56 eh. paste.lisp does not seem to be working... 03:23:10 works for me. 03:23:37 on the submit page I get no data. On chrome, linux. 03:24:46 anyway, this code looks fine to me. 03:24:57 hmm, I did not send anything 03:25:07 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-140-219.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:18 yes you did. five times. 03:25:19 alright, here is the link 03:25:19 http://paste.lisp.org/display/121308 03:25:27 oh? where? 03:25:34 I see nothing, in the browser or in irc 03:26:10 JamezQ: in what way does it not work? 03:26:56 in my version it only said that I saw the bucket, but I just found out the problem 03:27:19 I spelled whiskey whisket... 03:27:55 I could have sworn I checked the whole darn thing char by char. 03:28:04 Anyway, thanks guys. 03:28:36 And where does it show up that I posted 5 times xale? 03:30:42 on paste.lisp.org. 03:31:07 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 03:32:07 hmm, well, do you get something returned when you submit. Like, "Your link is available *here*." Cause, I didn't. 03:33:22 Mococa [~Mococa@187.58.13.43] has joined #lisp 03:35:12 JamezQ: i most certainly do, and quite quickly as well. Perhaps youre network is flakey 03:35:23 -!- Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:35:43 Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has joined #lisp 03:35:51 drewc: I would assume such if the non channel specific paste did not work fine for me. 03:36:52 drewc: When I post on paste.lisp.org, I get data on the submit page, the link. But on the #lisp specific one, nothing :/. Idk, if it works for you then it works. 03:36:58 ahh.. maybe have something to do with the mising bots 03:37:02 missing* 03:37:27 -!- ericbb [~user@blk-224-153-99.eastlink.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:00 JamezQ: yeah, there is a problem there for sure. If you paste and then go to the front page, it does actually appear... it seems it just doesn't get as far as the redirect 03:43:56 drewc: Ah, okay, so I am not crazy. Thanks. 03:44:14 i didn't say that, i just said your report about lisppaste was correct :) 03:44:39 *drewc* is not qualified to determine sanity 03:45:35 :P 03:46:52 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:11 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:02 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:55:20 nefo_ [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 03:55:36 -!- nefo_ [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Client Quit] 03:56:06 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02:05 The_Fellow [~storm2@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 04:02:13 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:08:28 xinming_ [~hyy@122.238.76.149] has joined #lisp 04:08:48 leifw [~user@ool-18bac6ad.dyn.optonline.net] has 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(in-package :spam) and get the error: package not found 10:48:50 Bootvis: are you using slime? 10:49:27 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 10:49:37 if so, try ,i (i.e. from an empty prompt, type the , and the i) and then hit tab to see the available packages 10:50:11 no the regular slime package 10:50:15 sorry 10:50:22 the regular sbcl executable 10:50:40 Kenjin [~josesanto@92.250.3.64] has joined #lisp 10:51:10 Bootvis: alternatively, grep the sources for defpackage 10:52:35 hmm it's defined by defsystem 10:52:42 maybe that's the problem 10:53:01 no, search for defpackage. 10:53:15 defsystem does something else 10:54:14 tippenein [~chatzilla@97.65.218.4] has joined #lisp 10:54:28 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@92.250.3.64] has quit [Client Quit] 10:54:34 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:55:40 defpackage is named in another .asd file 10:55:41 Bootvis: using sbcl directly is not recommended. Better use slime. Or at least inferior-lisp-mode 10:55:53 yeah i noticed 10:55:56 Bootvis: look in .lisp files 10:56:03 it's in a 10:56:08 'packages.lisp' 10:56:18 I'll install slime first 10:56:42 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:49 -!- ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:14 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 10:57:14 -!- Raykon [~user@bl14-196-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #lisp 10:58:02 Bootvis: it is best to obtain slime as a snapshot fomr the slime homepage. 10:58:21 dullard [~jim@188-223-137-38.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:58:23 ok 10:58:24 Bootvis: sbcl is also better obtained directly from the home page 10:58:37 ok 10:58:41 i'll downlaod those 10:58:47 great 10:59:04 so be back in a minute ;) 10:59:06 ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has joined #lisp 10:59:38 tje binary right? 11:00:00 orivej_ [~orivej@host-100-146-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 11:00:19 Bootvis: yes 11:00:29 -!- orivej [~orivej@host-44-146-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:04:49 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:22 Bootvis: here's a sample .emacs snippet: http://paste.lisp.org/display/121315 11:10:36 -!- lanthan [~ze@p54B7DC45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:10:39 joachifm [~joachim@212.7.195.193] has joined #lisp 11:15:24 prxq: it works 11:15:26 happy dance 11:15:30 thank you! 11:15:38 -!- ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:16:38 great! 11:17:34 prxq: I thought it was better to get slime from quicklisp these days. 11:17:35 if you haven't used emacs before, you should look through the tutorial that's accessible through the help menu 11:18:09 splittist: that hadn't reached me. How do you do that? 11:18:11 I had to use the fully qualified com.gigamonkeys.spam instead of just spam 11:19:15 after seeing all the packages listed in slime it made sense :) 11:26:19 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0073.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 11:28:03 spam spam spam spam gigamonkeys and spam 11:28:30 ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has joined #lisp 11:28:36 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-055-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:30:29 this _is_ a cheese shop, isn't it? 11:32:38 prxq: (ql:quickload "quicklisp-slime-helper") 11:38:06 talyz [~user@ip35.tunnan.riksnet.nu] has joined #lisp 11:42:02 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:42:45 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 11:54:13 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:01:46 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0073.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:41 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:28 -!- ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:03:41 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 12:06:09 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 12:06:26 hello 12:07:35 is there a CL CSS parser out there ? 12:07:49 google does not seem to know about it 12:08:24 I'm pretty sure i saw one on github 12:08:43 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09:12 -!- waaaaaargh_ [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87fb9e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: WTF? leaving!] 12:10:51 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.208] has joined #lisp 12:11:53 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:36 ignas [~ignas@88.119.154.93] has joined #lisp 12:17:18 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@cpe-72-226-124-205.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:59 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 12:19:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:21:17 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:22:43 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-153-89.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:31:13 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:04 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955F4C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 12:34:46 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 12:52:37 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-055-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:56:30 Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has joined #lisp 12:57:01 HG` [~HG@p5DC05F42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:57:11 mohamehg [~hashim@41.95.8.50] has joined #lisp 12:57:28 hi all; 12:57:32 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:19 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-108-64.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59:37 I need some help with slime 12:59:41 -!- macrocat [~marmalade@99.192.98.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:24 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-100-74.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:02:25 bsdboy [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 13:02:32 -!- bsdboy [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:52 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:06:28 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87fb9e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:55 -!- Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:07:10 codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has joined #lisp 13:11:16 can someone tell me how to open slime 13:11:18 ? 13:13:09 M-x slime RET 13:14:03 fsvo open 13:15:46 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-142.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:20:00 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 13:20:00 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 13:20:00 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 13:22:22 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:03 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:26:47 -!- mohamehg [~hashim@41.95.8.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:29:33 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 13:29:45 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:17 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:31:03 gnooth [~gnooth@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:01 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 13:32:51 Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has joined #lisp 13:34:00 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 13:34:52 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 13:36:49 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:39:47 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: splittist] 13:40:44 moah [~gnu@dslb-084-061-241-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:01 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 13:41:58 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59:55 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:04 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:48 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:01:27 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 14:02:25 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 14:03:20 -!- Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:37 Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has joined #lisp 14:06:45 kpreid [~kpreid@Eider.price.clarkson.edu] has joined #lisp 14:09:59 Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:10:52 -!- orivej_ is now known as help 14:10:58 -!- help is now known as orivej 14:12:16 what would be the primary resources to read if I want to quickly get started with literate programming in CL? 14:13:17 jonathans [~jonathans@cpe-68-175-81-179.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:13:44 -!- jonathans is now known as Guest45710 14:14:05 Tristam [~Tristam@cpe-72-226-124-205.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:14:20 have you considered org-babel? 14:18:26 okmijnoob [~root@195.217.72-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:21 its (expt literate-programming 2) 14:19:25 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 14:20:33 Joreji_ [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:21:06 danlentz: LoL, no care to tell my what's better about org-babel versus cl-org-mode ? 14:22:18 cl-org-mode is just a small sketch at the moment 14:22:21 danlentz: also, I'm reading related information now, so I may respond slower than expected :) 14:22:28 lusory [~bart@bb219-74-124-74.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:22:46 org-babel is state of the art emacs-fu 14:23:09 org-babel supports lisp, that's a good thing :) 14:23:19 madnificent: I think dto has explored the topic. Maybe he can give you some ideas. 14:23:23 -!- Guest45710 [~jonathans@cpe-68-175-81-179.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:23:28 you can also use regular generic LP tools like noweb of course 14:23:31 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 14:23:42 Xach: right! good idea... he's not on at the moment, but I'll ask about it once again 14:24:09 danlentz: no, I like it, I'm trying to figure out what I should keep in mind when trying it out for the first time 14:24:27 but its not all that appealing 14:24:30 I haven't done any literate programming so far, but I'd like to give it a test spin :) 14:24:50 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-50-124-175.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:25:38 definitely look into org-babel first 14:26:04 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:26:06 -!- okmijnoob is now known as agumonkey 14:29:27 -!- tippenein [~chatzilla@97.65.218.4] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 14:30:30 danlentz: you convinced me of that earlier on 14:30:36 Xach: didn't you toy with it as well? 14:31:11 danlentz: I was looking for some things like "don't misinterpret this or that" or just generic other advice... I'm reading the tutorial/manual/whatnot right now 14:31:44 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:32:30 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05F42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:34:40 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:01 drdo` [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 14:35:10 H4ns [~H4ns@p579FB279.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:16 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:37:54 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:39:09 madnificent: No. 14:40:13 -!- dullard [~jim@188-223-137-38.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:14 gabnet [~gabnet@86.67.23.76] has joined #lisp 14:42:17 yakov [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 14:42:23 hello 14:42:31 hello yakov 14:43:27 i want to create class at runtime and make geenric method for it at the same time. were should i look? Closer MOP? 14:43:43 (defun foo () (defclass ..)) seems not to work( 14:44:12 yakov: Why do you want to do that? 14:44:38 urandom__ [~user@p548A74AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:51 i have generic procedure ie. generic functions is used all over the place. i want to add new clas from web front-end 14:45:06 so my server side will continue to work as always. 14:45:16 automatically calling proper "new" methods 14:45:41 What happens when your server restarts? 14:45:52 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:46:01 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-142.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:46:02 well, it's ok if it forgets this immediate changes. we will sort it out later! :-) 14:46:27 i.e. we can write out lisp code to defclass at restart.. etc.. 14:46:39 at server side ajax handler. 14:47:03 the problem is how to "defclass" at runtime 14:47:15 but hey. :-) again, we can prepare lisp source for that.. 14:47:16 make-class 14:47:40 yakov: one option is to write it out to a file, compile & load the file. there are other options, too. 14:48:00 well, you can use MOP to build the class at runtime properly 14:48:30 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 14:48:30 i must not understand i thought make-class did exactly this 14:48:47 Xach, yeah, seems like write out is exactly what is needed because it solves restart too. 14:48:57 but im interested in advancing my mop-skilz :-) 14:48:59 too. 14:49:06 A noble goal. I don't know how it works with the MOP. 14:49:08 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:50:02 HG` [~HG@p5DC05F42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:03 p_l|backup, i could not find closer-mop api docs though( 14:50:45 yakov: grab AMOP. closer-mop simply provides the same interface 14:50:52 ok. thanks! 14:51:27 i actually left AMOP hard copy at my library and took Sonjas book.that was a mistake :-) 14:51:44 thanks guys. 14:51:54 sonja's book is good too! 14:52:15 sure! but it does not cover such dynamic aspects 14:52:22 i study clos with hit book. 14:52:27 this book. 14:52:38 yakov: try to find the pretty solution... it sounds like you're going to do something complicated that may be simple to solve as well (what I mean: don't spare time on thinking about alternatives before you start) 14:53:25 madnificent, what do you think about writing out lisp file and compile-load afterwards. seems like right thing to do?! 14:53:43 (in light of server restarts especially) 14:54:16 well, actually in case of emergent restart.. restarting from heap does not need written out files.. 14:54:35 i mean if heap was stopped normally 14:55:35 why does a server side ajax handler need a defclass? 14:55:45 oh. sorry. 14:55:53 that was from backscroll 14:56:33 yakov: I don't know, I would probably be staring at the MOP and trying to use something like bknr.datastore for it 14:57:08 I'm wrong ENSURE-CLASS not make-class 14:59:35 madnificent, wow, database-y. overkill as for me. but thanks for pointer 15:00:37 carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.149] has joined #lisp 15:01:18 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.149] has left #lisp 15:01:39 yakov: it just stores stuff to a file... but come to think of it, bknr.datastore currently doesn't have support for storing the class definitions 15:01:51 carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.149] has joined #lisp 15:02:03 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has joined #lisp 15:02:13 yakov: either case, think about it... if you can't figure out anything better, then go with it :) 15:02:47 danlentz, thanks! i've found docs for ensure-class in sbcl. 15:04:49 yakov: for an example of persitence including mutation and multiversion class/schema concurrency control refer to Rucksack 15:05:32 claymore_ [~claymore_@host86-142-131-33.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:05:43 "rucksack schema-table" 15:05:49 -!- claymore_ [~claymore_@host86-142-131-33.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 15:06:19 -!- talyz [~user@ip35.tunnan.riksnet.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:07:34 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:08:46 Landr [~user@78-23-213-22.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 15:12:47 morning 15:13:47 binary_c_ [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has joined #lisp 15:15:19 longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has joined #lisp 15:17:09 -!- binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:17:45 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC05F42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:19:46 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:21:34 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-142.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:21:43 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 15:22:15 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 15:22:49 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-022-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:59 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@vpnsh0039.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:13 HG` [~HG@p5DC05F42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:29 patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has joined #lisp 15:30:03 -!- binary_c_ [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:14 nu11ptr [~nu11ptr@76.235.222.18] has joined #lisp 15:31:06 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has joined #lisp 15:31:46 -!- binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:55 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:33:36 -!- galumph [~ron@bzq-84-108-249-117.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:35:21 gigamonkey [~user@12.197.88.253] has joined #lisp 15:35:34 hi..i need help for a lisp project..can anyone help me? 15:36:12 TippenEin [~chatzilla@97.65.218.3] has joined #lisp 15:37:24 patagous: what's up? 15:37:41 i've to define a constant in lisp.. 15:38:19 Are you using Common Lisp? 15:38:20 but i don't know how to say that a constant can be a numer or a symbol that the first symbol is a charachter.. 15:38:39 i'm using lispworks 15:39:15 pnq [~nick@AC8241BC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 15:39:17 patagous: why do you need to do this? 15:40:02 i've to make a project for univesity... 15:40:09 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:40:38 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 15:40:46 -!- beach [~user@116.118.73.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:33 mohamehg [~hashim@41.95.12.70] has joined #lisp 15:42:24 hi can any one help me with starting up slime , I tried the following but it didn't work M-x slime RET 15:42:30 -!- Pirxs [~Pirx@195.225.69.9] has quit [] 15:42:35 patagous: sounds like a weird requirement. Can you post the exact design you have to implement? 15:43:00 (basing type on first character sounds like FORTRAN 77) 15:43:04 patagous: I meant a bit more specifically than that. 15:43:12 mohamehg: You have to do a few steps before that will work, usually. 15:43:20 mohamehg: what happens when you do that? 15:43:23 mohamehg: what happens when you did M-x slime RET? 15:43:28 *gigamonkey* wins. 15:44:52 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45:05 ok, below was the exact output Loading help-mode...done 15:45:06 Loading slime... 15:45:07 Loading easy-mmode...done 15:45:11 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.254.135] has joined #lisp 15:45:28 -!- H4ns [~H4ns@p579FB279.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: H4ns] 15:45:52 well..i'm translating the project...isn't that in english... 15:46:49 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 15:46:52 mohamehg: What indicates to you that something did not work? 15:50:20 it seems that its fixed because the first time the output was some thing about file not found 15:50:27 -!- patagous [4e862c2b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.44.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:50:55 -!- Mekanik [~vov@91.79.62.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:57 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 15:51:50 patagous [6d35b014@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.53.176.20] has joined #lisp 15:52:45 out of the net..sorry 15:53:47 the project talk about the conversion of fbf to conjunctive normal form o cnf 15:54:09 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:54:12 seangrove [~user@c-98-234-242-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:04 so..i need to create if a word is a variable or a constant or a function 15:55:37 i've defined variable in this way 15:55:52 (defun variablep (v) (and (symbolp v) (char= #\? (char (symbol-name v) 0)))) 15:57:05 but...i don't know how to define constant.. 15:58:51 patagous: do you mean a constant in Lisp terms or within your program? 15:59:57 i've to define a constant like in a logical language 16:00:19 patagous: that wouldn't work on (variablep '||) 16:01:26 -!- leifw [~user@ool-18bac6ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:32 exactly 16:01:45 in my programm a variable must be start with ? 16:01:48 for example 16:01:52 ?w 16:01:56 or ?o 16:02:23 well, "wouldn't work" meaning "it would crash" 16:02:41 try (variablep '?w) 16:03:08 that's not my point 16:03:19 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #lisp 16:03:44 i know that it works for symbols which have non-zero length 16:04:10 i can't use array 16:04:17 i can't use list 16:04:29 is that a response to me? 16:04:46 if i try (variablep '||) 16:04:58 i receive "Error: Attempting to index into an array "" with one of the dimensions zero." 16:05:01 Mekanik [~vov@91.79.151.139] has joined #lisp 16:05:01 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8241BC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:05:08 that's right 16:05:33 patagous: I'd rcommend keeping them in variables and make a check in assignment. Assuming the purpose of this exercise isn't compiling the language into CL, of course, then you can use CL:DEFCONSTANT 16:05:34 "" has no zeroth element 16:05:49 patagous: and just in case you didn't know, strings are arrays 16:05:58 vectors, even! 16:06:02 *Landr* knows something! 16:06:09 vectors are arrays 16:06:16 Bronsa [~brace@host137-175-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:06:17 yes, but a more specific kind of array :P 16:06:35 all vectors are arrays but not all arrays are vectors 16:07:33 this is an example of the final testcase for my project 16:07:34 (fbf2cnf '(forall ?y (exist ?x (or (p ?x ?y) (and foo (bar ?y))))) 16:08:09 all the variable is in form ?char 16:08:47 should variablep crash when the argument is an integer? 16:09:00 yes 16:09:16 but the way you defined it, it doesn't! 16:09:32 it will return NIL 16:10:04 we....it has to return NIL 16:10:17 patagous: so, why does it have to crash when used with 16:10:19 '|| 16:10:26 i say crash..but i would say it has to return NIL 16:10:42 fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.123] has joined #lisp 16:11:11 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.254.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:32 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:11:38 (defun variablep (v) (and (symbolp v) (plusp (length (string v))) (string= #\? v :end2 1))) 16:11:45 me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-186-20.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:13 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@207.195.119.210] has joined #lisp 16:14:24 well..your variablep it's better that mine :D 16:15:16 than* 16:16:27 pnq [~nick@AC8200C8.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 16:17:33 text of project says this about constant 16:18:16 constant ::= | 16:18:26 -!- Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:18 patagous: I don't think you want to define a constant in Lisp. I think you need to define the notion of a constant within your program. 16:19:21 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 16:20:14 daniel___ [~daniel@p5B326AF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:31 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:21:14 -!- fortitudeZDY [~fortitude@210.192.101.123] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:21:16 yes..this is what i mean to do... 16:21:20 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 16:21:29 leifw [~user@ool-18bac6ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:34 Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #lisp 16:21:50 but..i don't know how to do that =( 16:22:45 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-126-167.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 16:23:11 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082B0B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:53 -!- c|mell [~cmell@cpc3-colc5-0-0-cust193.7-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:00 yakov_ [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 16:24:04 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:22 -!- yakov [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:28:05 patagous: (defun constant? (x) (or (numberp x) (and (symbolp x) (alpha-char-p (char (symbol-namex) 0))))) 16:28:28 Er, (symbol-name x) 16:28:56 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:29:10 Assuming of course that ALPHA-CHAR-P's notion of "a letter" is the same as yours. 16:30:28 i'm testing 16:31:31 works right !! 16:31:46 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@86.67.23.76] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:32:52 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.254.135] has joined #lisp 16:33:24 -!- me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-186-20.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:04 stassats and gigamonkey: tnx a lot!! 16:41:34 *Fade* wonders if we're doing homework in #lisp 16:41:49 *gigamonkey* is pretty sure we are. Whoops. 16:42:08 myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:42:21 :) 16:43:04 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 16:43:36 -!- Mekanik [~vov@91.79.151.139] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 16:43:39 nooo...i'm so stupid..lispworks crash and i haven't saved... doh! 16:44:11 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-022-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:44 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:50:16 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-7.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50:41 all right..fortunatly this chat doesn't delete old text :D 16:51:48 jweiss_ [~user@cpe-174-106-083-113.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:52:00 Houl [~Miranda@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 16:52:10 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 16:53:22 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host137-175-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:53:28 -!- binary_crayon 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19:00:05 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:00:16 xale: refer in what context? 19:00:40 xale: you can inspect it by putting the cursor on it and hitting RET. In the inspector you can copy it to the repl with M-RET. 19:00:52 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:07 yes, something like that. but it just copies the text? 19:03:02 No. 19:03:06 It copies the object. 19:04:18 ok, now it works. thank you. 19:06:23 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.194.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:08:00 hm, i can even resignal it. neat. 19:08:49 -!- danlen-1 [~danlentz@32.142.145.97] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:08:50 codelurker1 [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has joined #lisp 19:10:40 -!- codelurker1 [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has quit [Client Quit] 19:10:46 wzergw [~hynek@ip-62-245-66-12.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 19:10:57 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.41.207] has joined #lisp 19:11:02 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-182-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:13:37 dullard [~user@188-223-137-38.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 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bots wind up as part of the government shutdown? 20:09:29 -!- Wintermute [~Mococa@186.214.254.135] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:13:28 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13:49 -!- fds [~frankie@ajax.webvictim.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:13:50 fds [~frankie@fsf/member/fds] has joined #lisp 20:13:56 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:19:36 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:20:03 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 20:20:14 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 20:20:49 yakov [~yakov@ppp92-100-42-40.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 20:22:01 Zeiris_ [~Zeiris@S010600a0d1423e73.no.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:09 -!- benny [~benny@i577A17FC.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:28 Indentation seems extremely important in writing readable Lisp. What's the convention cases where you must wrap multiple expressions in a (...), such as the (let* (...) (...)) here https://gist.github.com/911233 ? 20:23:40 s/cases/for cases/ 20:24:42 (I'm running on a VM that doesn't support variadic functions, which has resulted in minor changes to common syntax that I'm unsure how to indent.) 20:24:55 -!- delian66 [~quassel@84.252.14.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:00 <|3b|> 'whatever emacs does' is a good starting point for lsp indentation 20:27:12 Wintermute [~Mococa@186.214.254.135] has joined #lisp 20:27:16 *Zeiris_* goes to look for emacs-mode for vim. 20:28:47 <|3b|> 'body' part of forms like the (tuple ...) in that LET* are usually 2 spaces indent from the containing form, the bindings in th elLET* are OK 20:29:10 -!- TippenEin [~chatzilla@97.65.218.3] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 20:29:11 <|3b|> s/th elLET*/the LET*/ 20:29:23 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:29:58 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002ca6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:02 benny [~benny@i577A2005.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:32:33 who have used muproc 20:32:47 can get the idea how to send message from repl/ 20:32:58 seems like its only possible to do from muproc process 20:33:02 which is bad. 20:33:09 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:15 <|3b|> in CL, that would usually correspond to an &body argument of a macro, or be handled specially for a special operator like LET* 20:36:19 tauntaun [~Crumpet@64.134.99.22] has joined #lisp 20:37:46 -!- jeekl [~crz@unaffiliated/jeekl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:50 <|3b|> yakov: wrap it in MUPROCN? 20:38:27 yeah, im on it right now.. 20:38:45 but there are classes etc.. not quite lucid( 20:39:24 oh forget it. 20:39:28 stupid i am. 20:39:54 lucid common lisp? 20:40:11 -!- me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-186-20.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:01 -!- sabalaba 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[~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:26:33 There is not much to give an opinion on. It seems do describe facts about newLISP. 22:26:37 <|3b|> newlisp doesn't seem very popular in this channel (which mainly deals with common lisp) 22:27:12 <|3b|> defaulting everything to NIL sounds error prone 22:27:28 I know a bit of lisp, not too much, but just wanted to know what a lisp guru would think of those things 22:27:39 yes, it also seems strange to me 22:27:40 scheme and CL are enuf 4 me 22:28:17 I don't either find a reason to convert conses to plain lists 22:28:25 <|3b|> the cons/list stuff sounds confusing, haven't actually used it though, so don't know what the implications of it would be in practice, and dynamic scope everywhere is a common objection to newlisp 22:28:29 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-092-076-077-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:51 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:59 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:29:03 <|3b|> not having a separate 'list' datatype can be a problem in CL, but not sure that is a good way to fix it 22:30:45 it seems that symbols are also defined to nil as they're read, which could also be error prone 22:30:50 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-100-74.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:31:03 <|3b|> right, that and all function args optional were what i meant 22:31:54 they guy has gone far however, he's made load of things with it 22:32:16 <|3b|> people make loads of things with VB too 22:32:31 haha, that's true as well 22:33:35 hmmm... if I *read*, but not *copy* (in any way), GPL code, I can use that to write code under another license, right? 22:33:49 <|3b|> 'maybe'? 22:34:11 psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-173-169.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:28 jeekl [~crz@unaffiliated/jeekl] has joined #lisp 22:34:33 <|3b|> some people have pretty broken ideas about intellectual property, so whether any particular person decides to sue you is pretty much unrelated to law or license stuff :p 22:34:46 p_l|backup: It has to do with the definition of "derived work". 22:35:13 [or is it "derivative work"?] 22:37:01 heh 22:37:09 p_l|backup: The risk is that you will get inspiration from the GPLed code and use part of that inspiration to produce the new code. Then the new code is a derivative work. 22:37:33 beach: hmmm... not necessarily according to copyright law 22:38:02 <|3b|> beach: that isn't my understanding, but i'm sure you could find plenty of people who would agree either way :/ 22:38:09 *p_l|backup* wrecks his memory of reading the whole copyright act few yars ago 22:38:25 <|3b|> otherwise everything we ever write is a 'derivative work' of some textbook or lecture or whatever 22:38:27 yes, if it can be prooven it's a derivative work 22:39:12 you can mess up indentation, nobody will venture to read through it, and you're safe 22:39:14 iirc, it's not derivative if it doesn't contain originals' source code, with algorithms not being part of the copyright 22:39:29 stassats: nah, I'm reading C and writing CL :) 22:39:45 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 22:39:52 "nah" meaning you can't mess up indentation in CL? 22:40:36 stassats: no, meaning it's not necessarily needed to make the code look definitely not similar ;) 22:41:11 you need to make is disgusting that the eyes of a reader will bleed 22:41:28 gosh, i missed some words there 22:41:28 *|3b|* has read some BSD drivers that looked like someone went through corresponding GPL driver, and just rewrote everything exactly the not-same... for loops replaced with while, etc 22:42:19 in my case, I'm going to read parts of MPlayer audio filters to implement with mixalot :) 22:44:11 <|3b|> what sort of filters? seems like a lot of them would be easier to just implement from scratch 22:44:34 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:33 |3b|: yeah, but I'm looking into actual implementation of various stuff to see how it worked in practice 22:45:40 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:20 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-233-177-94.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 22:46:53 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-105-81.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:47:39 *|3b|* would say 'porting' code is risky at best license-wise 22:50:33 <|3b|> figuring out where the line is between 'rewriting from scratch', 'porting', 'copying' probably needs a lawyer and/or a court though :( 22:50:43 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-170497.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:20 ... well, I'm currently in Poland. I guess I can say "fuck you" and use "Reverse Engineering" clause of Copyright Law :) 22:51:20 myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 22:51:52 *|3b|* doesn't think you can 'reverse engineer' source code :p 22:52:32 |3b|: it doesn't talk about specific source that is reverse-engineered, and covers all copyrighted materials that can be :) 22:56:22 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:58:17 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 22:58:25 -!- sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:58:49 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:58:51 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-105-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:58:59 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|detached 22:59:00 -!- dullard [~user@188-223-137-38.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:09 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 23:01:21 you can reverse engineer the spec, and then write code by it 23:02:57 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-153-89.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:50 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:10 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:05:47 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-184-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 23:05:58 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:00 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-184-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 23:06:31 -!- jweiss_ [~user@cpe-174-106-083-113.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:07:03 BrokenCog [~Daniel@206.135.197.46] has joined #lisp 23:08:14 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 23:08:23 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|OffABridge 23:09:25 AndChat- [~AndChat@12.232.236.2] has joined #lisp 23:09:55 -!- AndChat- [~AndChat@12.232.236.2] has quit [Client Quit] 23:12:45 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:59 ``Erik_ [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:14 -!- rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:13:55 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 23:14:22 -!- ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:15:51 -!- ec|OffABridge is now known as ec 23:18:03 the 23:19:14 BrokenCog: That's an unusual first uttering. 23:19:52 LOL. yes, i suppose it is. I was ... um, thinking. 23:20:24 beach: actually I was in a diffent window, this silly laptop touchpad jumps me around sometimes. 23:20:45 I know what you mean. My laptop has the same problem. 23:21:21 use a trackpoint! 23:21:35 I had it using the synaptic config to disable when typing, but after a re-install I lost the configs and haven't bothered to re-learn it. 23:22:01 -!- ec is now known as ec|detached 23:22:09 trackpoint?!? bleh. I just try not to type like an elephant. 23:22:44 trackpoint is also great that you don't need to remove your hands from the home-row 23:23:49 I suppose .. I'm not much of a "speed mouser" i guess. 23:26:41 codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has joined #lisp 23:26:49 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:27:02 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:10 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 23:32:05 sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 23:32:09 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:32:27 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 23:33:04 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:49 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:35:13 -!- pupy [~pupy@120.Red-83-52-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:36:30 -!- seangrove [~user@c-98-234-242-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:22 pupy [~pupy@120.Red-83-52-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:22 seangrove [~user@c-98-234-242-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:28 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 23:40:49 -!- leifw [~user@ool-18bac6ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:43:22 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 23:44:03 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:46:23 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:47:04 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:14 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.149] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 23:47:23 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo5.79.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:49 i never got the whole "stay on the home row" thing 23:48:25 Joreji [~thomas@83-052.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:48:36 i don't really think at 40wpm non-stop 23:50:24 it's not about typing speed, it's about moving your hands 23:50:28 -!- Spion__ is now known as Spion 23:50:36 -!- Spion [~spion@77.29.248.215] has quit [Changing host] 23:50:36 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 23:52:43 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.237.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:53:27 I think that was his point, which if so I agree with -- one can't think as fast as typing is possible, and if I'm Thinking I don't need to type, and hence most likely have better things to do with my hands than keep them cramped on the keys. 23:54:57 no, that's not the point 23:56:00 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 23:57:50 oh. what is? 23:59:15 typing, thinking, and using a mouse pointer intermittently, without making pauses to hold your chin 23:59:25 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp