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I've found that if I try to dispatch on more than 2 arguments, the number of methods required gets out of hand. 02:35:31 required? 02:35:31 tmh: Well, you could build methods that effectively sort the arguments by class. 02:37:24 Zhivago: That is where I'm at now. It's sort of like a sieve of methods. 02:38:11 -!- jweiss__ [~user@cpe-069-134-063-238.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:38:16 What is the function doing? 02:38:48 Xach: Required to cover all combinations of the arguments. I was initially trying to limit the methods to an unspecialized method that covered the majority of situations and then just specialize on the exceptions to the rule. 02:40:32 Zhivago: It's a function that builds a command for another program. The grammar for the program is poorly specified, so there has to be a fair amount of logic to end up with a valid command. I'm trying to set up my lisp code so that it only generates valid commands giving you the opportunity to correct it before it is sent to the program. 02:41:10 So, why do you have all of these different classes of arguments being handled differently? 02:41:22 Is this for things like (foo "1" 1 1.0)? 02:41:53 Perhaps you don't care about the classes of the arguments so much as normalizing them? 02:42:12 -!- longfin [~longfin@124.198.53.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:48 mon_key annotated #121086 "slime-quicklisp hashtable for Emacs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#9 02:43:57 tank_ [~spmcnamar@75.21.87.212] has joined #lisp 02:44:08 No, it's more like given a command name, there are a given set of valid values for the first argument field and based on the first argument field, there are a given set of valid values for the second field, and on. For each commands, the sets are slightly different and there are also other exceptions depending on the command. 02:44:50 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-141.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:44:55 But, the commands are close enough that I should be able to abstract the logic a fair amount to reduce manual coding, but I'm afraid I'm spending too much time abstracting the logic. 02:45:05 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-109-111.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:23 -!- tank_ [~spmcnamar@75.21.87.212] has quit [Client Quit] 02:45:36 Sounds like a case for recursive decomposition ... 02:46:18 tmh: usually you can reduce the problem to a few classes: (defmethod m ((a a) (b b)) (m a (make-an-a-from-a-b b))) 02:47:10 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-183.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:47:34 tmh: or also, you should be able to generalize things. (defmethod m ((a a) (b T) (c c)) (do-something-general a c (m2 b))) 02:48:07 So you don't have to multiply for each class of b. 02:48:23 gmorning smilers 02:48:55 pjb & Zhivago : Yes, those are both good suggestions and I'm applying them to one degree or another, I just found a flaw in part of my logic and am a little frustrated. I wanted to complete this section of coding by the top of the hour and go to bed. Maybe I should just give up and sleep on it. 02:49:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:49:37 -!- SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:42 SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:50:37 What I really need to do is dig into this paper again -> "Predicate Dispatching in the Common Lisp Object System" AI Technical Report 2001-006 and actually learn how to apply it. 02:52:51 -!- Guest67481 [~foo@host158-195-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:53:20 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:36 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:55:49 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:05:11 Guest67481 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But I didn't grep any usage of that, and the documentation doesn't say anything about multithreading either. 08:16:31 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:18:02 orivej [~orivej@host-94-146-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 08:18:26 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:19:12 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:20:14 fe[nl]ix: and BTW, would you be so kind to update the documentation at http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/manual? 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How many members are there? 09:15:26 Will you be stepping up the tech to video? (Sadly, for me, but perhaps happily for others, I won't be there.) 09:15:56 mephistophocles [~mephistop@ec2-50-17-225-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 09:16:18 boo 09:16:23 I don't think we have the equipment for that and ISTR Xof might be uncomfortable with that 09:16:25 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-181-249.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:16:45 you can edit him out 09:16:51 Areil: We will be at the very least 7 people I think :-) 09:17:02 tcr1: you see that as a drawback? How will he build a lucrative Youtube following without video? 09:17:05 last time was something between 20 and 30 09:18:04 splittist: Maybe if he gives the talk on a skateboard he might be able to gain some serious traction :-) 09:19:24 tcr1: there is that. I'm just trying to future-proof him against the coming collapse of tertiary educational institutions (: 09:21:07 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 09:21:46 -!- longfin [~longfin@124.198.53.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:56 When will be your talk? :-) 09:22:39 -!- benny` is now known as benny 09:23:07 When I have something to say. At my present rate of development this will be shortly after the sun turns off. 09:23:29 *splittist* avoids any technical cosmological terms with Krystof watching 09:24:14 But you're using Lisp you should be able to do it in a finger snip 09:24:15 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 09:24:56 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:18 tcr1: I think this shows that lisp development might be foolproof, but it's not damn fool proof. 09:25:26 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 09:31:46 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:47 kiuma_ [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:33:16 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:34:43 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@123.120.18.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:36:24 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 09:36:39 Fullma 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problem. 12:28:14 Oabl [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:28:14 flyfish [~liuguangz@211.102.146.131] has joined #lisp 12:28:29 beach: I'm trying to write a piece of code to implement user models for an electric circuits solver :) 12:28:33 xale [~xale@2001:4b98:dc0:51:216:3eff:fef2:58dd] has joined #lisp 12:29:15 OK, and in what way does such a thing require loading a file at runtime? 12:29:46 beach: because user could write his own models 12:30:17 beach: and attach it to a circuital element, such as non linear inductances, or conductance (gas discharge lamps) 12:31:08 Posterdati: Then you probably need some kind of .yoursoftwarerc file in the home directory, and load it first thing when you start the application. 12:32:17 beach: maybe, but solver get infos from a .net file that holds circuit description 12:32:23 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:32:39 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-141.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 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Think of what the compiler does - reading from files, writing to files etc. All that is available to you as a programmer. 12:36:44 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:37:20 splittist: mmmh I don't need to include a function at program start, I need to include a lisp-written function if user need it during solver operations 12:37:24 Guest39919 [~PUISSANCE@41.248.139.117] has joined #lisp 12:37:58 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.236.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:07 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:38:23 xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.33.152.39] has joined #lisp 12:39:51 -!- Krystof [~csr21@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:03 Posterdati: yes, just like you load all your functions when you start the compiler, but can add/amend them as time goes on. You'll have to build the infrastructure to map between function-names and .net files, I imagine, but that need not be difficult as long as you don't have to guard against malicious users. (If I understand what you're saying.) 12:40:30 s/load/don't have to load/ (sorry) 12:40:32 splittist: .net files are sexp lists 12:41:20 Posterdati: then it become a matter of controlling *package* and LOADing the file - once you've detected when you need to add something. 12:41:21 splittist: .net files are read and their contents serialized to lisp lists (class type elements) 12:42:45 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:15 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 12:46:26 -!- fds_ is now known as fds 12:48:35 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:50 mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has joined #lisp 12:48:50 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 12:48:50 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:51:37 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:54:03 cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 12:59:28 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:03:22 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 13:04:05 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 13:05:28 -!- Guest39919 [~PUISSANCE@41.248.139.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:05:49 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:32 Guest39919 [~PUISSANCE@ACBB06DD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:11:13 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:07 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 13:13:47 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 13:14:29 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:43 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:22:15 jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 13:23:09 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23:20 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 13:24:20 tfb [~tfb@94.197.105.10.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:24:59 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Client Quit] 13:25:58 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 13:26:31 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@cpe-72-226-124-205.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:44 Tristam [~Tristam@cpe-72-226-124-205.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:27:18 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 13:27:42 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Client Quit] 13:30:01 akimbo [~oy@adsl-074-239-169-162.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:45 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-87-46-56.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:26 -!- michael_lf [~michael@117.32.153.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:33:44 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:35:19 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:29 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-16.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:18 -!- jobf [~jfranck@c-01b9e555.03-87-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:38:11 -!- galdor_ is now known as galdor 13:39:47 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:41:01 Posterdati: the point is that you have a choice: either you let your users know they're programming in lisp, then (load "file.net") is perfectly valid, or you want to shield them from the intricacies of lisp, and then you should implement your own loading routine, that will manage packages, readtables, reader macros, and possibly try to sandbox user's code. 13:41:19 Posterdati: of course, letting your users be smart and use lisp means much much less work for you! :-) 13:41:39 (not that severely restricting them be too hard either). 13:42:07 pjb: :) 13:42:13 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:43:59 pjb: now I'm facing another problem: I need to handle model stuff :) 13:44:17 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:38 pjb: I need a representation for system state to be accessible from a single model 13:46:17 Any representation is a model. IIRC, you have objects. Objects encapsulate state. If you let your user program in lisp, then just giving them access to your objects give them access to the state of yor model. 13:46:44 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 13:47:41 pjb: no I mean in my case, the system is the whole circuit with its circuital elements assembled in a connected net, state is formed with nodes voltages and branch currents 13:47:49 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 13:47:49 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:48:31 pjb: during solution circuit element value could be evaluated depending on the state 13:49:37 Do you mean that you need to separate the state of a circuit from the representation of the circuit, because, for example, you want to be able to manipulate different states of the same circuit at the same time? 13:49:50 pjb: no 13:50:13 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.125] has joined #lisp 13:50:27 pjb: imagine you've got a linear circuit where every element in it is constant in time, e.g. voltage generator or resistance 13:50:55 pjb: then solution in time could be achieved simply solving a linear system 13:51:29 yes 13:51:33 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-104-125-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:04 pjb: now imagine that a resistance it is not constant and it depends from voltage across it like R = f(Va, Vb) where Va and Vb are the pin potentials for resistor R 13:53:06 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 13:53:07 pjb: now I need a representation to told my program to evaluate R using those two state variables :) 13:53:29 Do you need it symbolically, or numerically? 13:53:59 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.200.8] has joined #lisp 13:54:20 pjb: symbolically I did a list like (model :name "test" :parameters-list (:V1 v1 :V2 v2)) and so on 13:54:29 Numerically, you can represent it just by a lisp function (a method of the resistance object in this case). Symbolically, you will use the "source" of this function instead, or rather, the mathematical expression that you can use in the symbolic equation solver. 13:54:39 -!- ohih0wru [~andrei@87.226.100.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:40 pjb: numerically is not a problem 13:54:49 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 13:54:49 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:54:49 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:54:59 -!- aerique [310225@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:55:06 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 13:55:16 pjb: I have to choose a representation that could be easily used to the user 13:56:32 You can add an equation: (device :name "resistance" :pins (p1 p2) :equation (= (resistance self) (square (- (voltage p1) (voltage p2))))) 13:56:54 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Client Quit] 13:56:55 Ease of use is in the eyes of the user. 13:57:05 pjb: yes 13:57:12 That is, it depends on what the user wants to do. 13:57:17 pjb: yes 13:57:36 pjb: problem is to measure Vp1 and Vp2 :) 13:57:54 If you start from a OO model, it means that you may have to provide some convenience methods, but if your OO model represents things like they are, it should be no problem. 13:58:09 pjb: in part 13:58:10 The resistance knows the voltage it gets on its pins. 13:58:16 The resistance object knows the voltage it gets on its pins. 13:58:24 pjb: well no 13:58:29 If it doesn't, it's because you have a defect in your model. 13:58:38 Do you represent wires? 13:58:52 Or connections? 13:58:57 pjb: I did represent my netlist as a graph 13:59:29 morning 13:59:29 pjb: branches are bipoles and nodes are properly electrical nodes :) 14:00:11 So nodes have voltage in their state. 14:00:31 pjb: I didn't include such a state in them 14:00:32 And since branches are connecting nodes, they can know what voltage is applied to them asking their nodes. 14:00:39 That's your defect. 14:00:50 Also, this representation can't deal with transistors. 14:01:20 pjb: it will 14:01:47 pjb: transistor could be seen as n-pole elements 14:02:18 bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 14:02:26 You mean, as a set of edges. 14:02:57 mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:01 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 14:03:23 That could work. In anycase, the edges know their nodes, so they can get the voltage. Nodes need to have it of course. 14:03:58 pjb: but I need to use voltage from other nodes if I like :) 14:04:30 from nodes you aren't connected to? 14:04:38 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 14:04:40 ilmari: yes 14:04:43 bhyde_ [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:57 why does a component care about the voltage at a node it's not connected to? 14:05:19 Because edges are not connecting more than two nodes so it's a problem :-) 14:05:39 pjb: :) 14:07:20 You cannot use just a graph. You need connection points ('nodes'), and devices with various 'pins', each pins being possibly connected to a single connection point. A connection point connects to several pins. In this model, a connection point is infinitely small and has no resistance, no inductance and no capacitance. You can represent a wire with these parameters as a 2-pin device. 14:08:46 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.10.201.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:08:46 -!- bhyde_ is now known as bhyde 14:09:06 hi bhyde! 14:09:21 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:10:26 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 14:11:13 ilmari: for example a current sensor: it gaves a voltage proportional to a current 14:11:29 -!- deepfire__ [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:07 orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 14:13:49 It needs to have four pins. Two connected in serie with the circuit you want to measure the current, and two connected to the circuit that will use the generated voltage. 14:13:53 Just like the real thing. 14:14:08 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14:17 OO is actually very easy: you just represent things the way they are in reality. 14:14:28 pjb: not necessarily like amperometric clamps 14:14:45 Do you modelize magnetic fields too? 14:15:10 pjb: no 14:15:29 you can model that as if it were connected in series with the wire it is clamped around 14:15:47 ilmari: yes it could be that way too 14:15:56 Then I'd stay with this 4-pin model. 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#lisp 15:41:23 -!- Spion__ [~spion@77.29.248.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:04 Does anyone know what Lisps are being ported to Android? 15:42:40 DiaitaDoc: Afair there's Kawa Scheme (the stuff that the google builder actually generates an app for). 15:42:49 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 15:42:51 -!- flyfish [~liuguangz@211.102.146.131] has left #lisp 15:43:27 DiaitaDoc: I also got some Scheme Droid app on my phone  don't really know what that is though (apart from a moderately useful sexpr evaluator). 15:44:14 CCL is running on some Android devices in Clozure's top secret New Mexico labs. There's lots of work to do still, though (like an interface to the GUI, etc.). 15:44:36 DiaitaDoc: I think there's a CCL porting effort going on as well, apparently destined to run pretty close to the metal. 15:44:43 yeah. 15:44:50 rme: Not using ASE's bridge? 15:45:03 cool 15:45:10 I like CCL 15:45:25 Kawa I haven't tried 15:45:26 Zhivago: I don't know what that is. 15:45:46 rme: It's designed to let non-java processes interface to the GUI, etc. 15:45:56 also there's this http://code.google.com/p/dialcode/ 15:46:05 rme: They have python, ruby, lua, etc running like that. 15:47:28 Zhivago: Thanks. That looks like something to investigate. 15:48:53 rme_: ASE is basically a JSON-RPC bridge to various system interface 15:48:56 *interfaces 15:49:11 is it like tcl/tk? 15:49:34 on 2.3 you can also get non-Java interface to input system and some other stuff 15:49:54 but you might need to check with Mozilla guys if they have their Binder implementation working 15:51:53 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.200.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:07 Oabl_ [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:22 -!- MrMc [~r00t@cotb-4db34df8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53:29 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 15:53:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:54:10 Which mobile device(s) would you say offer the best compatibility w/ Common Lisps? 15:54:13 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.200.8] has joined #lisp 15:54:23 Guest90996 [~mau@stu234-251.bard.edu] has joined #lisp 15:55:22 Personally I think that's the wrong question. 15:55:42 At this point it looks like android has won the position of 'microsoft for mobiles'. 15:55:59 I don't think there's any point on betting on anything else, even though it is a bit inconvenient. 15:56:25 -!- Oabl [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:03 -!- Oabl_ [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:21 Oabl_ [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:01 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@nat.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has left #lisp 15:58:29 milanj [~milanj_@212.200.217.107] has joined #lisp 15:58:42 -!- Oabl_ is now known as Oabl 15:58:45 Zhivago, it's kind of a "while we're waiting" question. http://lemonodor.com/images/nokia-n800-clisp-s.jpg 15:58:47 :) 15:58:53 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:15 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 16:00:11 -!- Guthur 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I'll tell DiaitaDoc when he/she/it next speaks. 16:33:10 -!- Borbus [borbus@borbus.kicks-ass.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:10 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:10 -!- mpereira_ [~mpereira@ec2-50-16-8-218.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:10 -!- delYsid [~user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:11 -!- kiuma_ [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:11 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:11 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:33:11 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:19 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:33:57 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:20 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@109-186-115-92.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Changing host] 16:34:21 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 16:34:24 -!- Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:28 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 16:34:49 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-154-180.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:35:41 Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #lisp 16:36:05 I'm a little surprised that only one project in Quicklisp uses isqrt. 16:36:06 Borbus [borbus@85.17.58.106] has joined #lisp 16:36:33 Xach: There's one function that uses it in my library too. 16:36:42 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:44 -!- p_l|back1p is now known as p_l|backup 16:36:57 myu2 [~myu2@v051158.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:37:05 pjb`: Don't upgrade to SBCL 1.0.47.10, then. 16:37:12 ok :-) 16:37:13 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 16:37:21 at least until https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/751629 is fixed 16:37:25 -!- fmu [UNKNOWN@unaffiliated/fmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:37:25 -!- krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:37:25 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:37:54 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:38:18 -!- jsnell_ [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:38:26 tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:39:09 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:05 fmu [UNKNOWN@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 16:40:28 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:40:32 -!- gst [~gst@w-albuq-9-12.7cities.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:40:39 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-154-180.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 16:40:45 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:53 nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-180-202.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:59 Borbus_ [borbus@borbus.kicks-ass.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:34 -!- Borbus [borbus@85.17.58.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:41:54 Hello all. 16:43:01 gst [~gst@w-albuq-9-12.7cities.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:07 Hello alone. 16:46:07 -!- silenius [~silenus@p54946D38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46:11 I just did a system upgrade, and I'm being unpleasantly surprised at how many preference windows have a minimum height large enough that the controls at the bottom don't fit on the screen. :-/ 16:46:32 In what system? 16:46:34 rotate your display 90°? 16:47:08 Debian squeeze, on a 1024x600 display. 16:47:18 pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 16:47:22 On NeXTSTEP, DisplayPostscript was really device independent, so windows could be zoomed in or out at will (at least technically). 16:47:30 nyef: use ratpoison and emacs! 16:48:17 Umm... no? 16:49:01 Hrm. No multilib? That's no good. :-/ 16:49:54 ``Erik_ [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:55 Patzy_ [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:18 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:50:19 -!- Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:50:19 -!- ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:50:28 mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 16:50:43 nyef: hint - a lot of open source software will be forever worse because people who can don't care and those that care, can't ;-) 16:51:59 -!- gor[e] [~svr@gw1.masterhost.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:52:00 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 16:52:03 -!- steevy [~steevy@95-89-218-109-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Bye?] 16:52:41 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:53:09 (and then there are guys who end up wishing they had computers powerful enough to run Gentoo *and* update it) 16:57:00 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 16:57:42 -!- Borbus_ is now known as Borbus 16:58:17 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59:39 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #lisp 17:03:00 -!- kiuma__ [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:50 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DE0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:19 silenius [~silenus@p54946D38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:15 -!- tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-timhckrsrctrdsil] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14:15 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 17:15:40 _awvtui [~awvtui@xvm-101-241.ghst.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:48 bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-085-216-109-135.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 17:17:12 -!- _awvtui is now known as awvtui 17:19:13 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:19:18 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:08 Whats a way to tell if an item is a list? 17:21:17 jsoft: one way is to use listp 17:21:22 ahh listp 17:21:23 thanks. 17:21:56 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:23:01 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:44 brodo [~brodo@p5B025C95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:50 jsoft: only listp doesn't tell you if it's a list, but if it's a LIST ie. (OR CONS NULL), and nothing more. 17:24:06 jsoft: see current discussion in cll :-P 17:26:01 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:36 Any 'solarized' color theme users here? 17:28:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-206-33.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:28:51 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: A poorly written script will replace me shortly.] 17:29:02 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:32 *p_l|backup* is testing it atm 17:30:07 It appears like the default emacs syntax highlighting underuses the color variety, which solarized relies on. 17:30:59 Hi all 17:31:14 sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 17:31:25 evening #lisp, I and some other guys have been assigned a project, to build any kind of library in our language of choice. the latter is lisp. now the question arises what kind of a library is currently "missing" to lisp? 17:32:51 I left an issue on lispbuilder-sdl about some updated functions that didn't have their exported symbols updated... which I fixed. That is, if anyone with access to lispbuilder-sdl is here. 17:33:15 Just thought you might want to know. 17:33:16 bad_alloc: what is the scope? 17:33:55 *jtza8* face-palms, wrong channel. 17:34:09 Xach: we have: three developers who kindof™ know lisp, a month worth of time 17:34:17 bad_alloc: Write a proper Emacs OS so i can live inside it 17:34:27 bad_alloc: You know what I would love to see? 17:34:40 Xach no ;) 17:34:46 Xach: Do tell! 17:34:58 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-154-180.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:35:16 bad_alloc: something that can load a set of projects and produce a heartily cross-referenced set of HTML pages for the sources, along with statistics about the symbols & packages, etc. 17:35:33 that would be very neat 17:35:40 quicklisp info on the web! 17:35:42 A bit like lxr for the linux kernel. 17:35:48 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 17:35:49 *bad_alloc* looks that up 17:36:00 deepfire__: yeah, there is that 17:36:26 -!- astoon [~chatzilla@nat121-249-205-109.tvoe.tv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:26 superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:36:33 Xach: would it be a "source code indexer and cross-referencer which can be accessed via a web-browser." ? 17:36:47 bad_alloc: that sounds about right 17:37:05 Documentation generator, basically? 17:37:07 would it qualify as a library? 17:37:11 Odin-: not really. 17:37:21 bad_alloc: I don't know. Maybe that's more of an application. 17:37:49 bad_alloc: it's going to be part of a bigger whole, so I would say yeah 17:37:54 bad_alloc: there's something else I'd like that would take a nerd maybe a few days: an APNG library. 17:37:59 as long as it loads via asdf, it's a library to me (-: 17:38:01 What's the difference between a library and an application? 17:38:17 Odin-: in lisp-image land, there is none, I guess (: 17:38:24 (well, applications tend to have user interfaces) 17:38:32 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:38:39 Odin: a library is used to develop other applications (in general languages) 17:38:46 antifuchs: Even in C, I'd have though the only meaningful difference was that the latter has a defined 'main' function. :p 17:39:25 Odin-: yeah, and that isn't necessary in lisp (: 17:39:31 Indeed. 17:39:38 Xach: thanks for the ideas we'll see into that :) 17:40:01 -!- Guest90996 [~mau@stu234-251.bard.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42:57 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:45:54 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-185-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:22 absence [torgeihe@horisont.pvv.ntnu.no] has joined #lisp 17:46:24 Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-27-25.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:46:40 -!- Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-27-25.iburst.co.za] has left #lisp 17:46:51 binary_crayon [~binary_cr@pp002332dca816.usask.ca] has joined #lisp 17:48:13 akimbo [~oy@64.134.155.188] has joined #lisp 17:48:37 hi. i'm completely new to lisp and have installed lisp in a box and am trying to install cl-zlib. its docs says to add the cl-zlib dir to asdf:*central-registry* and execute (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op "split-sequence"), which results in this error: component "split-sequence" not found 17:49:00 what am i doing wrong? 17:49:02 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:02 absence: look at quicklisp for installing libraries. It makes your life a lot easier. 17:49:13 absence: even as a newbie, it will help you a whole lot 17:49:57 absence: what did you add to asdf:*central-registry*? 17:50:10 absence: the error mains that cl-zlib depends on split-sequence... so you'll need to install that as well 17:50:30 *madnificent* needs to take a bit of his coffee 17:50:56 Quicklisp doesn't have cl-zlib, though it does have some variations. 17:53:20 Xach: i added the dir where i unarchived cl-zlib. looking at quicklisp now, thanks :) 17:54:09 Odin-: and at least on Windows there's a standard way to run libraries as programs... 17:54:20 absence: What were you hoping to do with zlib? 17:54:25 Xach: about the APNG library you metioned: were you thinking about something similar to your ZPNG (http://www.xach.com/lisp/zpng/#png)? And is ZPNG avaliable via quicklisp? 17:54:57 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:57 bad_alloc: Not sure. Something with animation control, at least. ZPNG is in Quicklisp. 17:55:25 Maybe something that could assemble Opticl images into an animation. 17:55:30 p_l|backup: O_o 17:56:59 Xach: i'm reading practical common lisp which has some chapters on reading binary data, so i wanted to try that, but the data i want to parse has zlib compressed chunks 17:57:13 p_l|backup: what's the running of a library supposed to do? 17:57:24 p_l|backup: as in, what is the intended meaning of 'running' a library 17:57:26 absence: ah. there's a library called Chipz that can decompress zlib data. 17:58:00 Odin-: there's the standard rundll tool, and then there is the fact that libraries might be components that can run either loaded like normal or be treated as a normal application... 17:58:31 -!- billitch [~billitch@78.250.197.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:58:41 -!- acelent [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:58 bhyde_ [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:51 p_l|backup: I presume you need to tell the rundll thingy to start execution somewhere, though. 18:00:15 p_l|backup: But, yeah, the distinction really is arbitrary. 18:00:28 and technically, the main difference between an ELF shared library and ELF executable is the type specifier and presence of default address to execute from (while libs might just have the hooks to execute on load) 18:00:40 both are actually loaded by separate program in case of ELF :) 18:01:05 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:05 -!- bhyde_ is now known as bhyde 18:01:18 acelent [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has joined #lisp 18:01:35 Xach: thanks, now i seem to have a (chipz:decompress) to play with :) 18:01:57 From Quicklisp? 18:02:21 Odin-: for example, on linux/x86-64, an executable is actually launched by an interpreter, usually located in /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 18:02:32 Xach: opticl is a lib to generically process images (correct?) and I would convert such an image into an APNG. so the project would be called "APNG generation from generic Opticl Images in Common Lisp". Question: was that your point? Is it doable in one month? 18:02:36 p_l|backup: so sbcl is really interpreted? 18:02:56 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:05 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 18:03:05 bad_alloc: That is a reasonable description. I think it would take less than a month, though. 18:03:16 Xach: ELF headers are interpreted by a program that links it at runtime then jumps to the start pointer 18:03:35 p_l|backup: so that's why lisp is slow! 18:03:54 Xach: that hits *every* shared library program 18:04:04 it actually hits things like KDE or OpenOffice more ;-) 18:04:10 or at least used to :) 18:04:34 p_l|backup: I give up trying to help you talk about Lisp! 18:04:43 Xach: hahaha 18:04:56 Xach: it's actually a case where Lisp images load better than C++ applications :D 18:05:05 excellent 18:05:19 (unless we load CommonQT) 18:05:27 p_l|backup: sounds a bit like the cfasl stuff sbcl does, actually (: 18:05:39 p_l|backup: a case that would disappear if everyone statically linked their C binaries 18:06:03 dlowe: true 18:06:37 ergh 18:06:49 I wouldn't mind the sbcl tenured space being shared among sbcl processes, myself 18:06:51 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 18:06:52 dlowe: but there are pros and cons for usage of shared libraries, that make it especially hard to drop them in a system that doesn't have a good way to call other code 18:07:02 js0000 [~js@67.208.188.68] has joined #lisp 18:07:19 dlowe: it's one of the nicer bits of ECL, I guess 18:07:30 though it's possible to share some space on recent enough linux 18:08:02 (modify the C code to mark all memory as compactable) 18:08:21 taperr [~sjdo@bl8-33-138.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:08:25 -!- pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:40 pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 18:11:11 Hello lispers! 18:12:05 whoa, gnus faces are hilariously off with solarized 18:12:14 I'm wondering what the following comment from sbcl/src/code/fd-stream.lisp means: 18:12:14 18:12:17 ;; Not :DEFAULT, because we want to match CHAR-SIZE! (external-format :latin-1) 18:12:18 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 18:12:27 cmm: fix it! (it's not hard) (: 18:12:47 from the fd-stream defstruct. 18:14:20 -!- pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Client Quit] 18:14:55 antifuchs: I'll give it a try tomorrow (it's definitely easy technically, but I have terrible designer sense) :) 18:15:31 mon_key: hmmm... looks new 18:16:06 cmm: mostly it's just finding the color nearest to the one that should be there (: 18:16:26 mon_key: I guess something uncovered a bug where :default caused unexpected behaviour 18:16:33 fisxoj [~fisxoj@149.43.98.24] has joined #lisp 18:18:04 pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 18:20:13 p_l|backup: OK. just curious. surprised me b/c I wouldn't have expected :latin-1 to be hardwired like that. But I guess as its at nearly the bottom of the io stuff the stuff above it needs something to canonical to gauge against. 18:22:22 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23:01 -!- taperr [~sjdo@bl8-33-138.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #lisp 18:23:40 -!- pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:23:54 pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 18:26:24 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:35 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 18:27:02 -!- sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:16 sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 18:29:32 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-124-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:40 enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-171-245-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:30:40 -!- emporas_ [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:34:05 gor[e] [~svr@79.165.187.105] has joined #lisp 18:35:58 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-103-133.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 18:41:21 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:39 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:23 -!- binary_crayon [~binary_cr@pp002332dca816.usask.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:32 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 18:44:17 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44:18 jdz [~jdz@host133-24-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:44:46 -!- prip [~foo@host194-122-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:45:52 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:46:41 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 18:47:21 antifuchs, stassats: the git lag is killing me with suspense! 18:47:33 use cvs! 18:47:34 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@149.43.98.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:47:53 I guess I can use both. 18:48:45 the fix is rather trivial, s/fast-isqrt/isqrt/ 18:49:19 *Xach* likes trivial-fast-isqrt 18:49:52 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:19 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:51 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 18:52:04 Xach: how avaliable are you for first-level support of quicklisp? 18:52:51 bad_alloc: Pretty available. The #quicklisp channel and mailing list also have helpful people who can help. 18:53:11 ok I'll go there 18:53:54 (150 people on the mailing list, woo!) 18:54:30 -!- pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:54:46 pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 18:57:14 prip [~foo@host194-122-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:57:40 ummm, git lag? 18:57:44 oh, slime? 18:58:11 sbcl 18:58:29 ah, hah 18:58:37 well, give it 15 minutes (: 19:00:35 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #lisp 19:01:21 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:10 -!- akimbo [~oy@64.134.155.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:05:11 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 19:08:39 -!- gor[e] [~svr@79.165.187.105] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:13:52 HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-161-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:59 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 19:15:35 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:17:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-206-33.wbs.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:23:23 -!- superjudge [~mjl@c83-250-110-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:25:31 -!- bad_alloc [~bad_alloc@HSI-KBW-085-216-109-135.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:26:27 -!- madscience [d8ef2d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.239.45.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:26:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-212-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:27:42 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:28:38 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:29:18 mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 19:32:52 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:55 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:34:07 kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.220] has joined #lisp 19:34:13 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.220] has quit [Changing host] 19:34:13 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:34:52 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 19:35:08 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:35:19 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-177-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:19 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-177-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:35:19 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 19:37:12 Landr [~user@78-23-213-22.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:38:23 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:38:40 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:00 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5B0C4B59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:28 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-185-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:47 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 19:43:07 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 19:43:44 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:14 -!- gigamonk` is now known as gigamonkey 19:45:47 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 19:46:08 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-196-128.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 19:46:47 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:29 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:47:42 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 19:48:35 emporas_ [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:53:00 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:10 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-71.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 19:54:49 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5B0C4B59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:55:44 does cl have a "memory stream" that can be written to, and then used with read-line, etc? 19:56:01 absence: it has string streams. 19:56:14 absence: flexi-streams is a library that provides binary in-memory streams. 19:56:14 what is a memory stream? 19:56:25 like a permanently mmap'd file? 19:56:30 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-71.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:39 Landr: a stream that refers to memory rather than a file 19:56:59 Xach: thanks! 19:57:08 absence: i often use WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING and WITH-INPUT-FROM-STRING for that kind of thing. and sometimes make-string-output-stream and make-string-input-stream. 19:57:38 Xach: unfortunately mine will be the target of binary data 19:57:47 absence: flexi-streams provides that capability 19:58:34 I haven't used it yet, directly. I generally find some other way to do what I want to do. 19:59:21 pnq1 [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 19:59:40 -!- pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:01 mau [~mau@bard-nynt1-241.bard.edu] has joined #lisp 20:01:27 -!- mau is now known as Guest51351 20:03:37 silenius_ [~silenus@p54946698.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:47 I still find it odd that they never implemented OS interaction in CL 20:03:58 i mean, beyond simple execute/ask time/filesystem stuff 20:04:03 Landr: who hasn't? 20:04:03 -!- pnq1 is now known as pnq 20:04:18 the standard doesn't specify a manner, does it? 20:04:25 -!- HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-161-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:04:34 Landr: no. But neither does the C standard. 20:04:39 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:04:43 hmm, point taken 20:05:13 Landr: the operating systems were too different from each other at the time of standardization 20:05:34 I know, but i thought that in the 90's they'd've gotten around to that 20:05:35 CL has actually rather big set covered compared to normal 20:05:39 hahaha 20:06:14 and C does have an OS interaction! unistd.h has system() I think 20:06:31 Landr: unistd.h isn't part of standard 20:06:35 it's part of POSIX 20:06:40 ah, my bad 20:06:41 *ANSI C standard 20:06:48 p_l|backup: and OS's may yet again be different in the future too. 20:06:52 yep 20:07:33 symbolics shall rise again! :> 20:07:39 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 20:07:48 -!- silenius [~silenus@p54946D38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:07:49 francogrex [~user@109.130.38.17] has joined #lisp 20:07:57 nah 20:08:05 well, they did update their website 20:08:26 did they put some news about OG2/MacOSX/amd64 ? 20:08:54 ¯\(o_o)/¯ 20:09:04 I know they still sell OG2/OSF-1/alpha 20:09:15 and you can sometimes get MacIvory and similar 20:10:25 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:10:26 anyway, there are still few wildly different systems in use 20:10:54 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 20:12:40 there's POSIX stuff and "partially-compatibles", there's Win32, there's still some VMS, there's NonStop, there's the whole wild and crazy IBM family, including the 128bit single-address-space-I/O AS/400 stuff and "what's a shell?" z/TPF... 20:12:45 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:51 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-190.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:18 and all I want is to be able to do low level hacking in lisp :< 20:14:08 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-103-133.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14:25 "Low level hacking" in what sense? 20:15:23 Landr: Just Do It 20:15:31 mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has joined #lisp 20:15:31 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 20:15:31 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:15:32 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:15:34 in the "mov $1, %eax; int 0x80"; sense 20:15:52 Ah, syscalls? 20:16:01 -!- pnq [~nick@bohrium.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:16:12 cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has joined #lisp 20:16:23 yes 20:16:39 Shouldn't be too hard. Work out the conventions, write a suitable VOP for SBCL... 20:17:11 and then work my way up to making C code callable from lisp! 20:17:23 Landr: that's pretty trivial already. 20:17:24 ... actually it'd be easier to do that first and do the assembly thingy in C 20:17:37 Xach: maybe if you're a real programmer, unlike me ;p 20:17:47 Landr: if it wasn't trivial, I couldn't do it. 20:18:05 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-103-133.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 20:18:24 oh there we go 20:18:24 sb-alien 20:20:02 no, cffi 20:20:12 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: .] 20:20:48 *nyef* would tend to use sb-alien over cffi, but more from familiarity than anything else. 20:20:48 cffi being portable? 20:22:04 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.38.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:14 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 20:22:37 -!- deleuze is now known as derrida 20:22:43 As for other low-level stunts, I've done direct port I/O from SBCL, and direct memory-mapped I/O, written a USB device driver (based on the Linux user-mode USB device infrastructure)... 20:22:56 Landr: I was looking into writing a portable (between lisps, that is) Lisp Assembly Program system that could use CFFI to allocate apropriate memory 20:23:32 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.200.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:45 o.O sounds complex 20:24:17 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.200.8] has joined #lisp 20:24:19 Landr: what will you do with your newfound power? 20:24:29 -!- rme_ [~rme@pool-70-104-125-229.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme_] 20:25:04 Landr: also, on linux, the best way to call syscalls is actually to do calls into vdso 20:25:08 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 20:25:17 fight crime by night dressed in a tight latex suit, of course 20:25:29 0.0 20:25:45 or is it spandex, hmm 20:25:51 spandex 20:26:03 lycra! 20:26:14 and nice silken frills 20:26:15 well, definitely not latex 20:26:32 latex is for the bad side's femme fatale 20:26:39 p_l|backup: well, if you're into that kind of thing. 20:27:17 -!- silenius_ [~silenus@p54946698.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:29 TDT [~user@74.115.254.25] has joined #lisp 20:27:50 p_l|backup: And here I thought that the bad side's femme fatale was allowed to use leather instead. 20:27:53 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:27:56 xach: anyone ever tell you quicklisp is pretty cool? 20:27:57 nyef: budget cuts 20:28:49 It's not an approved uniform option, for those who prefer leather and are willing to use their own money to make up the difference? 20:28:54 mon_key pasted "slime-inspect-quicklisp-system now functional " at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121190 20:29:09 hey all. I am messing a little with hunchentoot, in sbcl, and am curious how that can be used for the whole "start-server" portion. I throught perhaps using threads would help, so I did an (sb-thread:make-thread (hunchentoot:start *instance*)) - but it still hangs, still. Is there a better way of doing this? 20:29:15 quicklisp system? what's that? 20:29:26 nyef: it depends on available budget. If they can scrunge up for hi quality leather by themselves, it's fine 20:29:38 I'm doing development in sbcl/slime, using hunchentoot and all. 20:29:42 nyef: leather is mainly found on female bosses :P 20:30:03 TDT: sounds like you do something wrong 20:30:13 mon_key: your elisp fu quite exceeds mine :) 20:30:21 nyef: personally, I prefer darkier and edgier settings where good side is permitted to look like baddies, including leather-clad females ;-) 20:30:23 stassats: Well, I'm guessing that too :) 20:30:25 EOT 20:30:43 *nyef* notices a (with-open-file (mmio-file "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:05.0/resource0" :direction :io :if-exists :overwrite) ...) in some of his old code. 20:31:25 ... nice 20:31:29 TDT: (setf hunchentoot:*catch-errors-p* nil) 20:31:42 danlentz: Nah, I wouln't ever have gotten around to that had you not shed some light on some things for me :) 20:32:03 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:32:25 hunchentoot does a bunch of error handling by default that makes debugging hard. make sure to reset that to true when you're done. 20:32:26 nyef: I only accessed dumps of MMU pagetable data 20:32:30 It then proceeds to sb-posix:mmap the sb-sys:fd-stream-fd of the file, and use sap-ref-32 and sap-ref-8 to poke at the resulting memory space. 20:32:40 mon_key whey dont they incorporate more useful examples like this in slime distro. Its so easy i just never knew how until your paste 20:32:54 nyef: nice, I'll need to read upon those 20:33:13 oconnore: Trying that now, but that's supposed to prevent the hanging? 20:33:20 If anyone cares to see the abomination, it's at http://www.lisphacker.com/temp/crtc-lcd-test.lisp 20:34:15 TDT: it doesn't prevent the hang, but it does let you know why the hang occurred. that way you can change your program so that it does not happen again. 20:34:17 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.200.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:34:24 -!- emporas_ [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:35:35 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-190.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:35:56 slyrus_: herep 20:36:14 I'll go ahead and post my code. I don't see why this should be happening, it's really super simple 20:36:15 hey gigamonkey, were you looking for me yesterday? 20:36:28 pnq [~nick@host-164.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 20:36:42 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:37:20 Here's all the code I'm dealing with, https://gist.github.com/904487 - it's pretty small :) Not sure why this should be an issue 20:37:53 mon_key: defslimefun exports the name 20:37:54 has anyone else looked at drewc/planks.btree on github? 20:38:05 danlentz: slime/swank is complicated, mostly finalized, must reliably support multiple lisps in a backwards compatible fashion, and most of the slime-devs are occupied elsewhere so adding new features likely breaks other existing features such that the slime-devs won't be able to keep up if people extend it to far? Also, I'm pretty sure at least one slime-dev actively frowns on documentation :) 20:38:10 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:38:44 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:38:57 stassats: when I tried that the first time I was accidentally _in_ the slime REPL and that wasn't good. I was trying to make it clear that the evaluation should happen from a file? 20:39:40 if by frowning you mean me, then that's funny, i think i did the most updates to the slime manual in recent times 20:40:20 you tried to make clear by doing what? 20:41:04 TDT: there is no reason to start it in a new thread. hunchentoot:start does not block. http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/#acceptors 20:41:06 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:41:10 stassats: (in-package #:swank) ... (export (...)) 20:41:29 schme [~marcus@c83-254-205-76.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:41:29 -!- schme [~marcus@c83-254-205-76.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 20:41:40 schme [~marcus@c83-254-205-76.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:41:40 -!- schme [~marcus@c83-254-205-76.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Changing host] 20:41:40 schme [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 20:42:03 and checking for (slime-connected-p) and then bailing out is a bad idea, there is an autoconnection facility, and your code defeats it 20:42:14 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 20:42:14 TDT: it's also likely that you are running into problems with defvar, since the form is evaluated only once. 20:42:27 mon_key: well, the export part doesn't make it more clear in any way 20:42:31 mon_key: oh believe me i have nothing but reverence for the slime developers of course. And i defer to their better judgment... But do little conveniences like that really break anything? It seems like a few well documemted examples even would go a long way toweard making the environment less intimidating to learn 20:42:40 stassats: The user shouldn't need to auto-connect 20:42:57 TDT: run a (hunchentoot:stop *instance*), and then restart fresh. 20:43:14 who are you to decide what the user needs? 20:43:30 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.55.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:43:32 stassats: good point. 20:43:38 slyrus_: yeah, just wondering what your experience with Clojure folks vis a vis SLIME was? 20:43:48 let them go crazy, and you'll get your "not connected" if you don't use autoconnection 20:45:04 mon_key: like the quicklisp shortcuts are darn useful, and you know if ever there was a lisp project helpful to newcomers it really is quicklisp 20:45:18 stassats: FWIW i maintain a similiar function that snarfs the systems.txt file into a hashtable at Emacs loadtime and I've been using that for nearly 9months for Quicklisp system completion. On more than one occassion i've wanted to examine (with completion) the key/vals of that hash-table sans slime-connected-p. It definitely comes in useful. esp. when I don't _want_ slime to connect... 20:47:22 why would anyone want to use slime without connecting to lisp? 20:47:49 stassats: Its not about slime. Its about Quicklisp. 20:48:18 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 20:48:56 mon_key: have you or are you going to implement a ,quickload command for SLIME? 20:49:10 That's what the world needs. 20:49:13 stassats: So, for example on my system `slime-get-quicklisp-system-completions' holds 1180+ keys. Just b/c i'm not connected doesn't mean i don't want to complete on the hash-keys 20:49:30 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:38 anyway, what is this stuff you pasted, do you intend to get into slime or something? 20:49:39 gigamonkey: I have lots of fun QL Emacs fu stuck away. 20:49:53 Publish, publish, publish. 20:49:56 stassats: Not likely. But maybe danlentz finds it useful 20:50:07 there can be made a slime-quicklisp contrib 20:51:09 mon_key: apart from loading the swank side is there any other explicit initialization for this latest? 20:51:16 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 20:51:30 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51:35 danlentz: `slime-make-quicklisp-completion-table' should prob. run on a hook 20:51:52 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 20:52:31 and it isn't customary to use ear-muffs in elisp 20:53:01 Because it's *always* snowing in elisp so folks have gotten used to the cold, er dynamic scoping. 20:53:17 stassats: I customarily use them. 20:53:32 stassats: lexbind will bring it into favor anyways... 20:54:33 danlentz: If a sutiable describe method existed for the object returned of ql-dist:find-system one could prob. write the Emacs #s(hash ...) to file. As it is now the hash-vals of *slime-quicklisp-systems* are mostly useless. 20:54:57 TDT: for one thing, sb-thread:make-thread doesn't work like this, for another, hunchentoot:start creates a new thread by itself 20:55:39 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:55:46 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Client Quit] 20:56:01 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56:48 orivej [~orivej@host-92-146-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 20:56:58 so nobody else has looked at this planks.btree but someone should explain to me why this isn't bigger news: persistent common lisp objects and indexing via clojure style functional data structure 20:57:01 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:57:05 with views 20:57:21 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 20:57:34 danlentz: I looked it up before 20:57:52 danlentz: I'm def. looking and very excited but I don't think its finalized and is otherwise undocumented outside the tests 20:57:53 aside from the fact that it doesn't currently work :) 20:57:54 danlentz: might be more useful for me later, at the moment I'll gowith perec 20:58:15 stassats: Interesting, I didn't have make-thread at first, and it did the same thing. sb-thread:make-thread is the correct syntax, I think, according to the documentation. 20:58:35 danlentz: For example have you tried running the heap test yet? Whoa! 20:58:40 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:51 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.111] has joined #lisp 20:58:55 TDT: then either you have the wrong documentation, or you're reading it wrongly 20:59:06 while it can be a pain to write everything to make perec work like I want, it's less work than with some other solutions and unlike lisp-specific storage engines my clients can easily recover data from postgrs :) 20:59:06 Hang on, is lexbind in emacs real or an April Fools joke? 20:59:19 both? 20:59:20 gigamonkey: its real 20:59:40 Whoa. 20:59:50 gigamonkey: let's talk about it this evening 20:59:56 stassats: A quantum superposition of the two? 21:00:02 mon_key: btree-delete is unimplemented as are non-unique-keys and possiblly more because the test coverage is pretty modest 21:00:03 slyrus_: okay. 21:00:06 stassats: "..reading it incorrectly", I think you mean. Perhaps, but if you have suggestions on how to improve the code, rather than just saying "you're doing it wrong", I'm all ears. 21:00:25 Doesn't emacs suffer from the need to support legacy code, though? 21:00:26 oconnore: Thanks for the feedback, I will try your suggestions. 21:00:31 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:42 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.111] has joined #lisp 21:00:53 TDT: i've said everything in my first message: hunchentoot:start creates a new thread 21:01:05 danlentz: I bailed on TEST-HEAP-BTREE after 70mb+ got written to tmp :) 21:01:15 Odin-: most of the code won't note the difference 21:01:21 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:01:56 stassats: True ... incorrectly phrased. 21:02:15 "Doesn't emacs code suffer from needing to support legacy interpreters?" 21:02:16 :p 21:02:38 redline6` [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:39 xan_ [~xan@199.83.221.18] has joined #lisp 21:02:47 (Same way as you can't really get away with using nifty JavaScript features on webpages.) 21:03:45 Same way CL benefits from never having to re-open the spec :) 21:04:14 Odin-: the code included in emacs doesn't suffer from that certainly 21:04:16 mon_key: i wish i were better equipped at debugging the functional btree core features at least. Is this algorithm documented somewhere -- eg which I can look up exactly how to write btree-delete 21:04:25 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483DE0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:04:41 some code developed off-side may suffer a little, slime, for example, doesn't support emacs older than 21 21:05:15 -!- Tordek [tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05:45 danlentz: Sorry, I'm _really_ out of my league here. Though I've found comparing plank/Rucsacks sources useful 21:05:49 -!- McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:10 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483DE0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:10 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:43 -!- Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06:48 -!- Oabl [~Oabl@127.Red-88-5-130.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Oabl] 21:06:54 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 21:06:54 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Changing host] 21:06:54 Tordek [~tordek@april-fools/yetanotherhardetest/tordek] has joined #lisp 21:07:16 Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:07:52 danlentz: e.g. rucksack/p-btree.lisp 21:08:20 the functional btree is pretty helpful also for learning a bit of how the clojure mindset works 21:09:02 danlentz: yes but with big nice soft parens as it should be :P 21:09:23 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 21:09:34 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-103-133.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:10:19 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 21:11:34 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:11:42 mon_key: yes his implementation derives very closely from lemmon's btree. delete is complicated though and requires a whole rebalance up the btree. I need to find more examples of how this is implmenented in the functional style as this is really my first dip into those waters 21:11:47 McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has joined #lisp 21:12:16 -!- milanj [~milanj_@212.200.217.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:12:33 danlentz: Then by all means ask here so I don't have too :) 21:13:27 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-152-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:37 -!- gst [~gst@w-albuq-9-12.7cities.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:13:53 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:58 danlentz: I was reviewing this saturday evening http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=59cAAAAAEBAJ&dq=5283894 21:15:40 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-124-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:16:36 The author Rorger Deran implemented this in Java as "InfinityDB" there are some additional design notes here: http://www.boilerbay.com/infinitydb/TheDesignOfTheInfinityDatabaseEngine.htm 21:16:36 drewc seems to have some very interesting yet baffling projects. has anyone worked with lisp-on-lines 21:17:19 isn't lisp-on-lines superseded byt For The Web? 21:17:45 mon_key: what does the patent mean do they shoot us in the kneecaps if caught with working implememtation? :) 21:18:04 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 21:18:06 and using already existing web frameworks isn't exactly a tradition around here 21:18:33 danlentz: I've also found reviewing the sources of stassats' storage to be quite informative w/r/t persistence 21:18:45 stassats: lisp-on-lines isnt really a web framework-- its a meta-attribution protocol 21:18:47 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 21:19:14 *stassats* recieved an abnormal daily dosage of buzzwords with this sentence 21:19:22 i'd better hide 21:19:24 mon_key: thanks i will do that 21:19:31 ok you laiugh 21:19:36 :) 21:19:53 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:20:26 -!- micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:37 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:20:42 Its pretty cool imo because it is an implmentation that approximates meta-class compositon 21:20:55 stassats: For the web, another ungoogleable name :)? 21:21:03 stassats: meta-a-p is buzzwordy. But, how else would you describe it given how it modifies CLOS? 21:21:10 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:21:25 e.g. MOPish slot attributes 21:21:41 Lisp on Dirt Roads sounds like a good name 21:21:56 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.238] has joined #lisp 21:22:26 who was asking about a simple-yet-useful library project? 21:22:54 mon_key: stuffing randomly related words into a sentence doesn't exactly help to understand what's it about 21:22:57 astalla [~astalla@dynamic-adsl-94-36-35-86.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 21:23:37 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:56 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:24:19 well everyone seems grumpy but i stand behind my words and am happy to defend them if there are any specific criticisms 21:24:38 if there was an existing literature about meta-attribution protocols, or at least attribution protocols, i'd might understand in what direction it is 21:25:01 stassats: FWIW I don't disagree, but having read over p. Costanza's write-ups on ContextL and dipped my toes into Lisp-on-Lines, M-A-P _does_ seem describe what is happening... 21:25:21 stassats: AMOP discusses it. 21:26:09 stassats: briefly but w/out all the layered dynamic stuff. 21:26:23 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:06 a meta attribution object is a domain specific metaclass for the purpose of description or annotation 21:27:40 oh well... 21:27:58 and usually projection to some serialization format] 21:28:26 stassats: Someone should correct me if I'm well off the mark, but the one-liner is "meta-attribution-protocl -- dynamically activated layering of slot properties via the MOP." 21:28:38 krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 21:29:18 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-167-241.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:31 unique like i said in its approach to composition of metaclasses 21:29:50 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-167-241.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:52 contextl is an implmentation detail 21:29:56 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:30:00 imo 21:30:01 gst [~gst@w-albuq-9-12.7cities.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:20 and what is this approach? 21:30:57 he doesn't actually 21:31:01 -!- thijso [~thijs@83.98.233.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:31:17 because from what i can tell its not exactly possible in the general case 21:31:19 thijso [~thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 21:31:45 danlentz: "he" whom? "doesn't actually" what? 21:31:49 but he builds a second metaclass based on the metaclass of the "attributed object" 21:32:10 he drewc, author of lisp on lines 21:32:58 what isn't possible, the composition? 21:33:00 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 21:33:41 doesn't actually compose metaclasses but rather has this alternative approach which allows lisp-on-lines to be cleanly layered on top of other arbitrary metaclasses -- like rucksack persisitent objects, perec objects etc 21:34:26 danlentz: OK. Thanks for clarifying. 21:34:26 so, what is this alternative approach? 21:35:25 stassats: "... he builds a second metaclass based on the metaclass of the "attributed object" ..." 21:35:42 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:42 he builds a second metaclass based on the metaclass of the "attributed object" this is based on a customized/abreviated meta0pobject-protocol 21:36:19 and the mao's are basically like prototyle-singleton-instances 21:36:29 since we liike buzz words 21:37:36 i understood that it builds a second metaclass, but what does it look like? 21:37:44 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:38:23 danlentz: I've worked with LoL a bit 21:38:28 does it inherit from two other metaclasses? how does it make sure they don't interfere with each other? 21:38:38 dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-167-215.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 21:38:41 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:38:56 stassats: well thats one cool thing because its context-oriented but it looks like a singleton prototype with "attributes" rather than slots 21:39:49 alright, i give up 21:40:15 stassats: right (regarding metaclasses) thats whats cool. But its somewhat illusory because it doesn't actally compose metaclasses 21:41:07 stassats: thats where the dynamic/layering comes in the active "prototypes" maintain the illusion 21:42:12 i feel like I'm stuck as drew crampsie's pr guy today :) 21:42:24 drewc does good work. 21:42:26 so, you have, like, two objects? 21:44:22 fade: thanks thats what i was looking for. Some of his stuff is very appealing but complex 21:44:52 his stuff is generally high quality, but he writes it to do his own work, and it never gets documented. 21:45:26 there's an incomplete tutorial in a darcs repo here : http://www.deepsky.com/~fade/roflcopter 21:45:40 which covers relational objects for lisp and lisp on lines 21:45:57 Fade: more please! :) 21:46:06 Fade: well, since source code is the best documentation, it's not a big problem 21:46:19 Fade: i was thinking of contacting hi regarding his planks btree 21:46:33 stassats: indeed 21:46:34 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-196-128.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Quit: quit] 21:46:37 fade: thanks this is a gem 21:48:46 actually i was hoping drewc would join in the conversation a moment ago and defend his meta-honor but he must not read irc... 21:49:03 he has been MIA for awhile. 21:49:18 danlentz: he mentioned awhile back that he's given up on IRC 21:49:46 wise man! 21:50:35 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 21:53:46 -!- morphling [~stefan@95.117.94.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:55 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:54:05 danlentz: Fade: Maybe it would be nice to piggyback #ucw for discussion w/r/t DrewC ware? I certainly have a need for communication about one or more of his related projects... 21:54:17 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:43 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:56:27 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:06:11 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-78-72.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 22:09:00 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 22:09:01 Good morning everyone! 22:09:31 Is there a way in sbcl to tell the GC "always use at least 1GB of RAM, don't bother GCing below that"? 22:09:59 what do you mean? 22:10:03 at the rist of having tomatoes thrown at me for broaching another controversial topic, what is the general feeling on DWIM.HU style def macros 22:10:04 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:11 Phoodus: you can change amount of consing between GCs 22:10:15 don't grigger the gc before 1G is allocated? 22:10:22 why do you want to do that? 22:10:30 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.133] has joined #lisp 22:11:02 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 22:11:02 i like them but i always feel dirty afterwards 22:11:19 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-248-241-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:24 p_l|backup: ok, will try that 22:11:31 stassats: just reflecting a request from someone else 22:12:05 danlentz: they call it "hungarian common lisp" not for nothing 22:12:28 Phoodus: reflect back the question 22:12:32 danlentz: I can understand the allure, but the dwim.hu macros are barely readable for me 22:12:38 I prefer defstar 22:14:32 danlentz: careful, attila is reading 22:14:33 :D 22:15:51 def is a nice higher-level construct. With quicklisp threir code is finally installable. Sometimes it worries me to use code so complex that i might have trouble debugging. 22:16:40 i find their code very readable. Its understanding it is my only problem. :) 22:17:09 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 22:18:09 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.82.94.205] has joined #lisp 22:19:03 stefil is alsp nice these days but draws me into the dark side of the salime branch 22:19:25 What hath Quicklisp wrought? 22:19:35 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:37 billitch [~billitch@78.251.58.70] has joined #lisp 22:19:58 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-171-245-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 22:20:23 now everyone depends on anything they please, shocking 22:20:46 not like the the old days anymore 22:22:23 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:23:00 mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 22:25:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 22:25:42 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 22:25:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 22:28:01 -!- jdz [~jdz@host133-24-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:28:56 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 22:29:41 -!- astalla [~astalla@dynamic-adsl-94-36-35-86.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:35:14 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 22:37:31 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:37:31 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:38:31 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-177-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:31 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-177-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:38:31 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 22:39:28 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:40:22 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.250.108] has joined #lisp 22:41:50 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 22:43:38 tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-kmondpdxxdpypxah] has joined #lisp 22:46:11 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:46:21 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.250.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:48:15 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A45C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:23 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:50:31 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 22:53:16 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:19 -!- mydik [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:02:01 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:04:43 akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-123-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:13:19 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-31-95.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 23:14:37 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 23:19:21 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.170.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:20 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:23:22 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:25:04 -!- lonstein_ is now known as lonstein 23:25:49 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 23:26:53 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:14 -!- billitch [~billitch@78.251.58.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:48 billitch [~billitch@78.251.58.70] has joined #lisp 23:30:27 -!- pnq [~nick@host-164.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:32:52 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 23:34:59 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.250.108] has joined #lisp 23:35:21 huangho [~vitor@189-30-194-154.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 23:37:43 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:40:48 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:41:11 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:57 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 23:44:05 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:46:13 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:23 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-78-72.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:48:47 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:51:53 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-205-13.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52:41 -!- xan_ [~xan@199.83.221.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:54:03 hello! Is there a format directive to handle -es plurals, similar to "~@P"? (e.g. process -> processes) 23:54:32 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 23:55:11 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:41 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:45 huangho: no clue about a format directive but english plural syntax is messy. There is a project called a Porter Stemmer which is related 23:57:55 Good evening! 23:58:08 Thiagomes [~Thiagomes@189.27.86.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 23:58:13 I know that it isn't nice of me to ask such questions, yet... 23:58:24 -!- Thiagomes [~Thiagomes@189.27.86.191.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #lisp 23:58:27 What do you use to navigate CLHS off-line? 23:58:28 if the plural format directives itd be in the formatting recipies chapter of pcl 23:58:48 asau: i have a chm and i like that 23:59:08 danlentz: where have you got it? 23:59:11 *ASau* goes to google. 23:59:18 -!- pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has left #lisp 23:59:24 asau: used to have w3m and use that on the hyperspec 23:59:48 danlentz: that's what I do now, and I can't say I like it.