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[~grr@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 04:34:25 (loop for ... collect c) <- this returns a list of characters. how can I turn that into a string? or better yet, can loop build a string directly? 04:36:58 PuffTheM` [~PuffTheMa@cpe-67-246-39-240.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:37:48 -!- PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:40:15 grr: it can't build a string directly by itself. 04:40:34 You can COERCE a list of characters into a string 04:40:55 Or you could use WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING around the loop. 04:41:24 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:43:17 which one of the two is usually prefered? 04:46:46 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-245-63-53.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:02 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:21 SidH_ [~SidH_@203.101.61.7] has joined #lisp 04:52:01 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 04:56:03 -!- killerboy 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I'd probably use WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING in most cases. 05:11:20 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-orcmaucnzvmxyews] has joined #lisp 05:11:20 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-orcmaucnzvmxyews] has quit [Changing host] 05:11:20 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 05:11:34 JuniorRoy [~Work@ns.nkmk.ru] has joined #lisp 05:11:53 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ctgndoqfdegwzwjh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:12:31 (eval `(func ,@list-of-arguments)) <- is there a shorter way of doing this? 05:13:17 Apply? 05:13:44 that'll do, thanks 05:21:28 -!- grr [~grr@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 05:22:53 -!- TippenEin [~chatzilla@c-24-245-21-197.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:23 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:25:27 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:27:57 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 05:37:55 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.6] has joined #lisp 05:46:16 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 05:55:06 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:55:31 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:07:17 -!- sellout [~Adium@80.187.144.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:13:44 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-fkgjdshsoylgywsn] has joined #lisp 06:15:35 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 06:16:10 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 06:16:31 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@118.45.149.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:30 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-krnntezkauktnsfj] has joined #lisp 06:21:28 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hawxuxqijbjpuycr] has joined #lisp 06:22:28 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:23:01 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 06:23:57 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hawxuxqijbjpuycr] has quit [Client Quit] 06:26:33 setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.204] has joined #lisp 06:26:35 -!- xan_ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:27:34 -!- s|k|a [~s|k|a@89.108.133.108] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 06:33:18 xan_ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has joined #lisp 06:33:42 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:33:42 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-166-35.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:33:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 06:36:22 gst [~gst@w-albuq-9-12.7cities.net] has joined #lisp 06:39:17 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:41:12 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 06:43:30 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-krnntezkauktnsfj] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43:53 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tdjzlcjewtztsxhd] has joined #lisp 06:45:37 splittist2 [~splittist@225.118.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 06:45:44 morning2 06:45:55 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:50:35 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:50:39 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #lisp 06:52:59 am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.34] has joined #lisp 06:55:12 -!- johanbev [~johanbev@159.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:55:48 Anyone hear about the enterprise lisp compiler from oracle? 06:56:41 -!- gst [~gst@w-albuq-9-12.7cities.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 06:56:59 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:57:20 good morning 06:57:43 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-96-217.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 06:59:04 leo2007: sure. What do you think ITA's been working on while the whole Google thing plays out? 06:59:44 splittist2: I don't know what ita were working on. Links? 07:00:57 -!- SidH_ [~SidH_@203.101.61.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:09 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-fkgjdshsoylgywsn] has left #lisp 07:01:31 SidH_ [~SidH_@203.101.61.7] has joined #lisp 07:01:50 leo2007: I mean they're the ones who have been working on ELC. You didn't really believe all that stuff about airline booking engines, did you? The clue was in the bogus 'Air Canada' references. 07:02:56 I had just heard about it. 07:03:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:03:30 leo2007: the codename was Poisson. 07:04:29 ilowhy [~ilowhy@124.124.225.20] has joined #lisp 07:04:46 -!- xan_ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:05:06 Are you thinking about the same thing? http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/gg446/oracle_declares_java_obsolete_plans_to_release/ 07:06:22 leo2007: Yes. Look at the second sentence in LordPatience's comment and answer that question. 07:07:00 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:08:34 I see. 07:09:55 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:17:35 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-tluxawyqwgqamkyv] has joined #lisp 07:18:40 plage [~user@ssh1.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 07:18:57 Good morning everyone! 07:20:06 Good morning hanseatic plage! 07:23:31 -!- ilowhy [~ilowhy@124.124.225.20] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:23:39 Guten morgen Herr Splittist2! 07:24:14 ilowhy [~ilowhy@124.124.225.20] has joined #lisp 07:24:54 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-103-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:26:09 plage, mvilleneuve - all psyched up for the SICL son et lumiere? 07:26:32 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-3-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:31:04 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:33:47 -!- binarin [~binarin@85.93.153.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:34:34 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:43:10 -!- Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:44:36 aerique [310225@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:46:21 bj0ern [~bpaschen@a89-183-66-103.net-htp.de] has joined #lisp 07:46:28 splittist2: mvilleneuve isn't here. I am doing the presentation. 07:49:03 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755dad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:15 -!- bj0ern [~bpaschen@a89-183-66-103.net-htp.de] has quit [Client Quit] 07:51:19 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 07:52:24 plage: Ah, OK. Did the rehearsal with the mimes playing the keyword arguments for the sequence functions go OK? I think using the smoke-machine and the laser pointers to illustrate Big O performance characteristics was a masterstroke, by the way. 07:52:41 *splittist2* is feeling silly this morning 07:53:07 *plage* wonders what splittist2 has been smoking. 07:53:35 c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-ephcygxnyawifxfo] has joined #lisp 07:55:32 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 07:58:23 -!- danieljones [~danieljon@qld13-adsl-181.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:58:52 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-tdjzlcjewtztsxhd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:01:03 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.86.190] has joined #lisp 08:01:12 -!- lanthan [~ze@p54B7F520.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:07:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:09:50 -!- ilowhy [~ilowhy@124.124.225.20] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 08:10:43 ilowhy [~ilowhy@124.124.225.20] has joined #lisp 08:15:18 We may have good news, at least once a year! :-) 08:23:40 mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has joined #lisp 08:23:40 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 08:23:40 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 08:23:59 -!- Tordek is now known as idiot 08:24:04 -!- idiot is now known as Tordek 08:25:53 -!- plage [~user@ssh1.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:59 lambda-nil [~lambdanil@81.Red-88-2-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:29:02 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-bhhbxrvleshnzjxk] has joined #lisp 08:34:25 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 08:34:38 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 08:37:35 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 08:41:00 -!- cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:44:04 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:45:43 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46:56 cmm [~cmm@109.65.203.181] has joined #lisp 08:47:01 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:48:03 -!- lambda-nil [~lambdanil@81.Red-88-2-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Ctrl+Alt+Del] 08:49:23 lambda-nil [~lambdanil@81.Red-88-2-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:49:50 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 08:50:12 -!- lambda-nil [~lambdanil@81.Red-88-2-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:51:39 cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 08:51:57 setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.204] has joined #lisp 08:53:37 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has joined #lisp 08:55:07 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:22 steevy [~steevy@95-89-218-109-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 08:57:22 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-uiwkukvhhzukpcdt] has joined #lisp 08:57:51 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.253] has joined #lisp 08:58:35 jdz [~jdz@host244-111-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:59:13 stassats` [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-29-242.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 08:59:18 -!- stassats` [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-29-242.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Changing host] 08:59:18 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:02:27 -!- cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:06:15 benny` [~benny@i577A1519.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 09:09:03 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10:17 cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 09:11:40 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:14:34 tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:15:18 plage [~user@ssh2.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 09:17:37 I think that I don't really understand continuations yet ... at least I've got some problems 09:17:42 jan247 [~jvliwanag@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 09:17:49 -!- am0c [~am0c@180.224.41.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:57 there's sb-thread:interrupt-thread, where I can give some function to do - eg. (throw 'sig) or whatever 09:19:32 But there's no way to "put code" into a continuation, right? It would have to be prepared to get some parameter to handle that explicitly, IIUC 09:20:35 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-26-146.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:56 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-26-146.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:22:27 orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 09:22:31 a thread is one of possibly many lines of execution within one process; a continuation is the next (and all following) steps in a line of execution 09:23:27 -!- aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:23:34 aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has joined #lisp 09:24:59 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 09:32:43 -!- JuniorRoy [~Work@ns.nkmk.ru] has quit [Quit: Out] 09:33:22 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:37 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:33:51 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:35:40 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.47] has joined #lisp 09:40:52 yes ... but I still seem to have some fundamental problem with continuations 09:41:54 that means you need to use them for a while 09:41:57 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:17 -!- jdz [~jdz@host244-111-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43:16 yes, I'm trying to 09:43:52 I want to implement multiple green threads on some pthreads ... is there already something like that 09:44:11 Well, that's not what continuations are about. 09:44:13 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.12.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:45:00 -!- aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:45:30 well, as soon as one green thread has to wait for IO, I'd like to call another one that's runnable ... that should be possible, as it's nearly the same thing that some http servers do 09:46:35 Sounds like you're after coroutines. 09:47:08 -!- orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47:10 If you have continuations you can build coroutines. 09:47:17 orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 09:48:09 flip214: you can do that with something like epoll - look into iolib 09:48:24 yes, epoll_ctl & _wait was my plan 09:48:55 I "just" have to fix my mis-understandings first 09:49:02 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-140.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 09:49:06 Part of the problem is that I cannot really state my problem ;-) 09:50:35 then you need a state machine 09:51:48 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-102-223.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 09:52:26 that reminds me of the saying regarding regex's ... "now I've got two problems" ;-) 09:52:43 -!- benny` is now known as benny 09:58:28 Think about the problem that you want to solve, rather than how to solve it. 10:00:51 -!- SidH_ [~SidH_@203.101.61.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:53 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp2364.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:01:24 SidH_ [~SidH_@203.101.61.7] has joined #lisp 10:03:40 jdz [~jdz@host225-57-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:06:48 -!- cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:07:35 cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 10:12:41 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 10:12:52 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 10:15:55 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:18:00 Joreji [~thomas@77-22-64-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:18:17 am0c [~am0c@58.76.165.39] has joined #lisp 10:20:20 -!- spradnyesh 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[~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit [Client Quit] 12:35:21 "You are in a maze of little twisty format directives, all different." "You are in a twisty maze of little format directives, all different." "You are in a little maze of twisty format directives, all different."... 12:35:24 resub [~resub@CPE-58-175-148-62.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:37:20 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 12:37:47 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 12:38:55 yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 12:40:19 pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:40:26 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:44:56 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:45:08 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 12:49:53 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50:32 There is a battery vending machine here. 12:52:13 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 12:52:45 -!- orivej [~orivej@host-27-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:54:11 The_Fellow1 [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 12:56:50 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:58:07 Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-111-210.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:03:28 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.86.190] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:04:31 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:47 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:33 ~1@*~a is a bit more verbose than i had hoped for since I'll be doing that many time. is there something shorter? 13:06:19 You know what a doctor tells if you say it hurts when I'm lifting my arm like this? 13:06:47 tcr: what's your insurance number, because you need 15 treatment sessions ? 13:06:49 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:42 Haven't had the pleasure of swiss doctory yet 13:07:51 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #lisp 13:07:55 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:07:57 kennyd: what are you trying to do? 13:08:37 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 13:08:42 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 13:08:42 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 13:08:42 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 13:10:37 i'm generating code for some other language. I'm doing it the primitive way, having the code as a string with format positional directives refering to arguments, then feeding everything to format function 13:11:09 why don't you represent the code as a sexpr? 13:11:22 then use the pretty-printer to print out the code? 13:12:06 im not generating code for a lispy language 13:12:37 Do you know what an AST (abstract syntax tree) is? 13:12:57 yes 13:13:25 I need human readable code, the actual source 13:14:11 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:49 kennyd: one of the famous uses of the pretty printer was to print PASCAL 13:17:08 oh? well i'm completely clueless how sexp and pretty printer would be of use when generating python and c++ code 13:17:10 kennyd: well, sort of Pascal. 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But it's a little guitar-tuner app that's not very sophisticated in that manner. 13:33:43 can it read from stdin or a fifo? then just plug a small program inbetween 13:34:26 GUI app, so not likely. 13:34:34 I'll probably end up writing my own at some point. 13:35:46 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:36:39 I'm at 50Hz main and see a big 60Hz spike, too ... might be the LCD 13:37:03 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:09 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.86.190] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:38:22 gtkguitune doesn't show the 60 Hz spike 13:38:23 Might be half-and-half? It's certainly nowhere near as noticable if I unplug from the wall, and I'm in the US so the mains power is almost certainly 60Hz. 13:38:35 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.200] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:55 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:39 Well, a friend had a notebook where the VGA connector (from the monitor) put a lot of noise in 13:43:23 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:07 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:01 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:52:06 cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.67] has joined #lisp 13:52:11 -!- cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.67] has quit [Changing host] 13:52:11 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 13:53:43 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:55:35 I recall getting noise from USB at some point... 13:55:48 ikki 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[ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 14:53:21 ilmari [ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 14:53:53 anything interesting happening? 14:54:23 -!- pdelgallego_ [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:26 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159903.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:49 It's snowing. 14:55:49 I have a series of six commits related to the implementation of setf in SBCL waiting for me to put them somewhere for a pre-commit review. 14:56:11 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@75-175-102-223.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:56:14 The recorded source form for anything defined at the command prompt in SBCL kindof sucks. 14:56:46 ... And you stole my line. :-P 14:56:56 hi Lisper 14:56:58 :D 14:58:04 nyef: what's changed re: setf? 14:58:32 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:58:45 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:12 http://repo.or.cz/w/sbcl/nyef.git/shortlog/refs/heads/stupid-setf-tricks 15:01:38 nyef pasted "The recorded source form here is a little more verbose than I might like..." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121071 15:01:52 this morning I am getting an error that I have not seen before "probably an SBCL error" -> failed AVER: (AND (EQ # INSIDE-BLOCK) (NOT #)) 15:01:52 I can compile the file C-c C-k and it compiles fine, but asdf compilation produces the above error (even after a good compilation). Is this known to anyone? (I have removed all fasls and tried a fresh rebuild to no avail) 15:01:53 I may open a bug on that one. 15:02:41 bobbysmith007: That's... neat. 15:03:48 ilmari_ [ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 15:03:50 In NODE-ENDS-BLOCK? 15:03:51 -!- ilmari [ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:04:00 was kindof hoping that it was a well know asdf bug that was fixed in the latest release 15:04:09 -!- ilmari_ is now known as ilmari 15:04:13 (aver (and (eq (ctran-kind start) :inside-block) (not (block-delete-p block)))) ? 15:04:38 yes 15:04:43 -!- sykopomp [~user@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:04:43 sykopomp [~user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:04:47 just printed that in the inspector 15:05:18 except i dont have the outer aver (that is in the error message though, just not the args) 15:05:41 Right, I just retyped the actual source form. 15:06:28 I must admit, I'm rather at a loss as to how this could happen. 15:07:00 cool... 15:07:01 Can you lisppaste the backtrace through COMPILE-FILE? 15:07:08 sure... one sec 15:07:09 lisppaste: url? 15:07:09 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 15:07:56 (There are twelve call sites for NODE-ENDS-BLOCK, so it's a bit of a combinatorial explosion without that.) 15:08:10 bobbysmith007 pasted "asdf backtrace" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121072 15:08:36 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 15:08:46 is there a way to fetch two by two elements in a flatten list? '(1 2 3 4) I want to get (1 2) on first iteration, (3 4) on second etc 15:08:49 is that what you need or is there a way to print the backtrace that prints all the stuff in the ".." chars 15:08:52 can loop do it? 15:09:19 kennyd look at loop/iterate "on" keyword 15:09:26 thanks 15:09:46 something like (iter (for (k v) on plist by #'cddr) ... 15:09:46 by #'cddr 15:10:03 LOOP can do it, no need to involve ITERATE. 15:10:18 DO can do it as well, if you swing that way. 15:10:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:10:50 bobbysmith007: That backtrace is a good start. 15:10:51 loop for (a b) on (list 1 2 3 4) by #'cddr do (print (list a b)) [sloooow typing...] 15:10:55 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:09 Not quite sure what's going on, as I've never really understood merge-toplevel-lambdas. 15:11:19 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:11:43 kennyd: although you might not want the (a b) destructuring 15:12:07 that is perfect 15:12:38 trying to process that to figure out how it works 15:12:46 feel the awesome power of LOOP! 15:13:01 muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:02 yes i'm loving loop 15:13:28 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A635D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:13:43 Gah! (node-prev (lvar-uses (return-result result-return))) 15:14:43 nyef: thanks for looking at this btw, back to trying to run my tests, i guess for now I will just compile each file manually 15:16:42 Hrm. Grabs the LVAR which is the "result" of the lambda, implying that its DEST is the return node... 15:17:28 It's presuming that there's a single use, and there is or it'd have bombed earlier than it did. 15:18:22 -!- SidH_ [~SidH_@203.101.61.7] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.6.16/20110319135224]] 15:18:34 nyef: I just realised I was wrong about the file otherwise compiling, (had 2files of the same name in sep dirs open) so perhaps you can ignore this. The file compiled last time I loaded it, but perhaps something else changed, it looks like the compilation problems are in symbol conflicts (that shouldnt be conflicting anyway), but I recall slime/sbcl/asdf not liking dealing with symbol conflicts during asdf load-ops 15:18:58 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA56408.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:19:02 NODE-PREV is an (OR CTRAN NULL), and the process will bomb if it's null... 15:19:09 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 15:19:31 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-96-217.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:48 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.238.238] has joined #lisp 15:19:50 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:05 urandom__ [~user@p548A4080.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:11 Yeah, this should be impossible. 15:22:05 I'll worry more if you can produce a test case for the rest of us. 15:22:54 bobbysmith007: yeah, sorry for the trouble... 15:28:39 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:29:02 nyef: the bug that was causing this error was that a defpackage that used a package that was not loaded (previously some other lib loaded it). It took a bit to figure it out. Perhaps at somepoint in the future a better error message could be added for these errors (such as cant use unkown package :foo) . Thanks again 15:31:05 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:33:13 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has joined #lisp 15:33:45 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 15:34:16 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@173.224.210.52] has left #lisp 15:35:37 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 15:36:55 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:37:05 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-96-217.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:38:42 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 15:38:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:38:51 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-111-210.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:40:15 -!- Spion__ [~spion@77.29.248.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:41:39 pdlogan [~patrick@174-25-37-137.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:02 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:42:47 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:43 tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-yghbjysrczvuicnv] has joined #lisp 15:49:51 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:50:22 realitygrill [~realitygr@24.208.248.193] has joined #lisp 15:51:20 hmm, I wish there was a &allow-other-keys others, and others would be bound to those key parameter that don't match with what was listed before 15:51:40 hargettp_ [~hargettp_@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:31 surely there's some keylist-diff functionality in Alexandria (or some trivial library dealing with lambda lists ... (: ) 15:54:32 tcr: &a-o-k, &rest, and SANS? 15:58:29 sure just dropping a tear because it could easily be done as part of the key processing :-) 15:58:39 it's this random wouldn't it be nice if 15:59:26 ILTWYS "easily" 16:00:58 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.235.173] has joined #lisp 16:02:19 bsdboy [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 16:03:23 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03:29 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:38 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:57 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:29 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 16:06:13 HG` [~HG@dslb-084-061-243-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:43 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:07:05 -!- bsdboy [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07:14 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.235.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07:19 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:08:30 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-118-31.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 16:08:46 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:10:28 -!- splittist2 [~splittist@225.118.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:11:06 sykopomp` [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:14 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC22835.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:22 -!- sykopomp [~user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:39 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.239.166] has joined #lisp 16:12:53 galiley [~user@212.21.153.186] has joined #lisp 16:12:55 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:13:17 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 16:13:22 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:13:22 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 16:13:46 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.238.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:45 lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:16:04 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 16:17:03 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.233.205] has joined #lisp 16:18:59 daniel [~daniel@p5082BD44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:32 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@24.208.248.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:20:33 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 16:22:11 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5082A73B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:22:53 orivej [~orivej@host-20-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 16:23:25 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440889.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:34 ldh [~ldh@static-217-37.vpn.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 16:30:28 -!- tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:32:41 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440889.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:39:27 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:17 Lisper, what make you all feel interested ? 16:40:33 interested in what? 16:41:00 Common Lisp? Because it's a pretty good general purpose programming language. 16:41:31 ... Gmind looks suspiciously familiar. 16:41:32 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:41:38 I agree 16:42:02 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 16:43:58 Joreji [~thomas@77-22-64-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:44:44 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:15 -!- lanthan [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:45:36 i like lisp because nobody i know knows it, it makes me cool and hip 16:46:05 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:46:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 16:49:48 nyef, what's so familiar ? 16:50:18 stassats`, thank :D so u like lisp because it make you unique ? 16:50:28 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:50:32 btw, I don't mean asking why you all like LISP =)) 16:51:10 I am asking what make you all feel interested or motivated to code ? 16:51:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:51:25 money 16:51:32 =) oh... 16:52:57 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:53:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:50 boredom 16:55:56 Gmind: when I want to make the computer dance! 16:56:33 gigamonkey, nice :P wonder if u can make it bboying :D 16:57:12 =.= actually , I am asking you guys, because I am trying to find my passion of coding back 16:57:18 :-s 16:57:45 I was pretty bored of C# and Database course and assignments at school 16:58:28 i'd rather find some other passion 16:58:36 Gmind: I do it because for me, lisp is fun to work with. there's very nice high-quality stuff available that you can use to get projects done, and it lets me express my ideas pretty well, most of the time 16:59:32 i don't view programming as the end goal, i use it to accomplish other goals 16:59:37 Gmind: unrelated to lisp, but maybe you will like Processing or Arduino, if you want some more intensely gratifying coding experiences (: 16:59:53 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:00:14 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:00:34 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:00:48 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:21 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:01:47 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:55 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:03:00 -!- xan__ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:04:21 thanks you guys for sharing your passions :P 17:04:34 that's nice to be inspired 17:05:30 I have got Allegro Common Lisp Express Edition to see what's so fun in an CL IDE :)) 17:05:54 wonder if it could create things such as window form in .NET with VS 17:07:05 -!- Ralith_ [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:07:41 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:48 how might I collect the "values" that are associated with the minimize clause in a for loop 17:09:32 no way 17:09:35 it's great that I get the minimum value but I want to know what parameters minimized that value. I'm thinking I'll just use my own clause 17:09:40 i mean no direct way 17:10:35 so I just have to do it myself and not use the minimize clause 17:10:46 yes 17:10:49 kk 17:12:24 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 17:14:09 -!- Legooolas [~Legooolas@2001:838:320::1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:15:01 Legooolas [~Legooolas@2001:838:320::1] has joined #lisp 17:19:05 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:19:18 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.231.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:19:44 -!- HG` [~HG@dslb-084-061-243-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:22:15 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:22 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:28:03 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:30:09 ztn [~ztn@46.25.140.110] has joined #lisp 17:30:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:46 -!- yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:31:41 So, going back to something from the past couple of days, there's one way to change what :if-exists :rename renames a file to, provided you know what the default is. 17:32:40 Portably, no less, modulo having to know the default. 17:33:15 -!- hargettp_ [~hargettp_@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:26 -!- ztn [~ztn@46.25.140.110] has left #lisp 17:36:07 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:25 slash_ [~unknown@pD955D7DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:19 systemaddict [~anonymous@208.74.177.139.static.etheric.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:04 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41:07 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:17 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:44:55 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:34 seems odd that asdf::*defined-systems* doesn't contain an entry for "asdf"... 17:47:32 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0e53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:43 hi 17:48:17 jokoon [~eio@feu30-1-82-242-58-229.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:57 I would like to prevent SBCL from exiting when the REPL gets an EOF. Background threads are doing useful work ... I usually execute (sleep 10000) in the main REPL thread, but there's probably a better way. Any ideas? 17:52:04 reb: one option might be starting a subordinate repl that doesn't do that. 17:52:11 a primitive one. 17:52:38 nowhereman [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-41-185.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:53:27 don't you want to execute (mapc #'join-thread (background-threads)) in the repl? 17:53:36 -!- nowhere_man [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-38-246.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:53:53 Hmmm, that may be more like it .... 17:54:18 Something that waits around for subordinate threads to exit before exiting. 17:55:13 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:54 HG` [~HG@dslb-084-061-243-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:18 Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:19 dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-64-88.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 18:00:54 -!- The_Fellow1 [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:01:15 The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:02 mahmul [~mrw@user-0can1en.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:22 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-200-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 18:04:33 Odaym [~unix@212.36.209.4] has joined #lisp 18:05:48 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-200-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:38 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 18:11:25 quasisane [~sanep@c-76-24-80-97.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:58 -!- McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:41 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp2364.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 18:16:11 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:09 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:18:57 muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:19 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0e53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:35 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-135-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:22:20 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-64-88.xnet.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:24 The_Fellow1 [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 18:23:27 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:15 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:28:09 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-143.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 18:29:28 drdo [~user@bl4-143-54.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:32:02 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-200-226.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 18:32:31 hi, if I were to load this file, delete the definition of BAR in the file, then execute (RELOAD) in the repl, is there any way for the repl to know to purge BAR without quitting/restarting sbcl? http://paste.lisp.org/display/121080 18:35:14 (unintern 'bar) ? 18:36:15 jamief: sorry, is there any way for the reply to know automatically*? 18:36:30 maybe I could make it a package and unintern them all on RELOAD 18:36:57 -!- Evious|isZZ is now known as Evious 18:41:19 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 18:44:48 egn: In general, there is no automatic method to "undo" definitions which have been removed from source files. 18:45:27 nyef: thanks 18:45:27 There are also some definitions / declarations that -cannot- be undone without simply removing the symbols in question. 18:45:39 eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:55 (And then they aren't so much undone as no longer accessible.) 18:46:27 egn: so the only safe way to undo something like that is to kill your implementation, and relaunch it from scratch. 18:47:06 pjb: thanks, that's what I was guessing but I thought I'd give it a shot 18:47:50 egn: but usually, it doesn't matter. What you can do if it matters (eg. you defined a special variable named without the stars, switching between generic function and normal function, etc), you can unintern it, or you may just delete the package where it's defined. 18:48:05 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 18:48:50 Quilck [~Quilck@84.19.165.211] has joined #lisp 18:49:39 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:50:39 Guthur [6d90d0f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.144.208.246] has joined #lisp 18:50:55 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 18:51:39 pjb: thanks, for my use case, I can probably get away with deleting the package before I redefine it 18:52:02 -!- Quilck [~Quilck@84.19.165.211] has left #lisp 18:52:04 I'll just hook that before RELOAD 18:53:49 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:45 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:57:57 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:58:55 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-135-91.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:58:57 -!- Guthur [6d90d0f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.144.208.246] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:37 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-3-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:02:51 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:06:42 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-65-159.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:08:12 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483CEC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:09:19 pnq [~nick@ACA43DF0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:33 Yuuhi [benni@p5483CEC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:13 adobriyan [~ad@vulture2-nat-42.telecom.by] has joined #lisp 19:12:21 -!- jokoon [~eio@feu30-1-82-242-58-229.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:39 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.230.192] has quit [Quit: timepilot] 19:16:10 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-76-24-80-97.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:17:05 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:17:23 tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #lisp 19:18:22 GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-26-27.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:45 quasisane [~sanep@c-76-24-80-97.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:40 tmh [6348b01a@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 19:19:47 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c7e46c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:20:16 Greetings lispers 19:20:53 tmh: hello. 19:22:54 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.21.161.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:07 xan__ [~xan@64.134.19.122] has joined #lisp 19:23:13 ... does SLIME use the host DESCRIBE, or does it do its own thing? 19:23:29 Guess that's easy enough to check myself. 19:23:36 nyef: afaik it uses host's describe, which can be then parsed by a hook 19:23:42 hi tmh, got your email 19:24:14 *p_l|backup* recalls having a describe hook in his slime that parsed output from SBCL's DESCRIBE and thus broke horribly on another implementation 19:25:17 LiamH: Hey LiamH. Are you still interested in the linear algebra library? I hadn't made much progress on it lately and decided that it was not going to progress more unless I had some external pressure. 19:25:57 tmh: yes, well... same situation here. I was going to see it's going to be a bit before I can look at it. 19:26:08 I am interested though. 19:27:14 LiamH: Good deal. I kept holding off releasing it because I wanted to get some more functionality implemented, but having it publicly available has actually be a relief. 19:27:34 MoALTz_ [~no@92.9.77.88] has joined #lisp 19:27:35 s/be a/been a/ 19:28:44 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:00 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.81.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:30:26 I was getting ready to paste something and then the thought hit me, "I bet it's in Alexandria." 19:30:53 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955D7DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 19:31:18 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:31:45 bj0ern [~bpaschen@a89-183-66-103.net-htp.de] has joined #lisp 19:32:16 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-233-178-174.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:47 (getf (getf foo :bar) :baz) <- is there a shortcut for this in standard lib? 19:33:22 ... no. 19:34:17 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-69.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34:43 Why don't you wrap it up yourself behind some semantically meaningful interface? 19:34:59 I will, just wanted to check first 19:36:33 (defun getff (place &rest keywords) <- got a better idea for name/interface? 19:37:40 No, but that's because I don't know what sort of problems you're trying to use it for. 19:37:44 I'd personally call it deep-getf, as I have deep-mapcar and whatnot in my libs 19:38:10 rpr [~rpr@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 19:38:31 I want to shorten access to nested lists 19:38:50 Phoodus yeah that sounds better 19:39:30 (princ "hello") 19:40:06 -!- xan__ [~xan@64.134.19.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:40:42 Why do you have nested lists in the first place? 19:40:45 labnytru [~thomas@c-69-136-176-250.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:51 Greetings, all. 19:41:09 Again, I'd wrap it myself, based on a particular use-case. 19:42:00 (defun get-instruction-attribute (instruction-name attribute-name) (getf (getf *instruction-data* instruction-name) attribute-name)), perhaps. 19:42:12 (for something to do with an assembler, presumably.) 19:42:17 I am a young programmer in self-training, and I am interested in picking up Common Lisp. 19:42:18 nyef I am simulating structures within a structure with it. there's probably a better way to do this, but i'm happy with it unless structure gets more complex 19:42:37 s/unless/until 19:42:43 However...I like to learn alongside others. While the documentation is out there, I just can't get engaged unless I am applying what I learn constantly. 19:43:58 labnytru: Pick a project (either of someone else's that you can help out with, or of your own) and get hacking. 19:45:56 labnytru might want to check Practical Common Lisp book too, it's available for free online 19:47:06 tmh pasted "Unique Items in a List" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121083 19:47:17 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0e53.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:19 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:32 tmh: remove-duplicates? 19:47:53 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:48:28 So, I didn't find this function in Alexandria. dlowe, you're correct. And I've even used that function before. This might explain why it isn't in Alexandria. 19:48:48 ... your having used it before explains why it isn't in Alexandria? 19:49:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-16.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:49:10 nyef: No, REMOVE-DUPLICATES performing the same function. 19:50:11 Yeah, figured as much. 19:50:14 xan__ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has joined #lisp 19:50:44 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 19:51:29 Ugh, obviously some portion of my brain knew that writing a unique function was redundant. 19:56:23 My last post taken out of context is an oxymoron. 19:57:05 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:57:26 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.9.77.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:59 labnytru: before anything, read hyperspec at least once from the beginning to the end 19:58:18 labnytru: if you won't understand something, it's OK 19:59:13 Oh, and as a preliminary, I use Linux. =P 19:59:28 So I'm at least that far. 19:59:44 For what it's worth. 20:00:29 I don't think I'd recommend reading the hyperspec from beginning to end. What you should learn to do is scan the dictionary section of each chapter when you are trying to accomplish something and then read details as necessary. 20:01:04 Probably not *first*, anyway. 20:01:37 I found it helpful to read CLtL2 from cover to cover after I had been hacking a while, and could figure out where it differed from CL. It got pretty prose. 20:01:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-16.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:02:26 Ach, the problem with my own idea for a project is that it's...rediculously complex. I don't think I'll be able to accomplish it until I have gained absolute mastery of the language. 20:02:36 *ridiculously 20:02:48 labnytru: No one gains absolute mastery, it's unobtainable. 20:03:06 Well, as much of a mastery as I could possibly obtain, anyway. 20:03:18 I could describe the project if anyone's interested. 20:03:38 It's going to be open source, anyway. 20:03:47 labnytru: The clhs search command on Yub Nub is your friend 20:04:02 labnytru: try fixing some immediate problems you have with CL, try playing with some exercises on the net, there are some interesting examples in PCL and Gentle Introduction, as well as in Land of Lisp 20:04:22 then start breaking up your great project into small, manageable chunks that will organically grow into the target :D 20:04:35 One of the best parts of CLtL2 is the index. 20:04:38 (after all, a journey of a thousand steps needs the first one, right?) 20:05:01 Unless you outsource it . 20:05:14 If you think big enough, you never have to do anything. 20:05:41 Well, the project I had in mind would be the first example of meta-programming in an AI. 20:05:57 no, no, no 20:06:07 I know, it's too much. 20:06:08 labnytru: probably wouldn't be. Depends on how you define meta-programming, which will probably end up lousely 20:06:16 start with UTF-8 converter back and forth, it's quite fun 20:06:23 why not something useful? 20:06:40 labnytru: if you mean something that can reprogram itself to some extent, it had been done before... 20:06:53 No, not something that can reprogram itself... 20:07:07 "What's the matter Dave?" 20:07:22 Something that can show what about the source code of any given program isn't giving a desired result. 20:07:41 It can even display it visually, breaking it into graphs and analogies. 20:07:48 labnytru: if you don't want to do exhaustive check, it has been done 20:07:52 I call it "Yze". 20:07:57 hell, it's quite a big industry 20:08:23 (Pronounced "eyes".) 20:08:48 I've even used some of the simpler variants that analyzed .NET bytecode for various deficiencies 20:09:09 google "static analysis of source code" or something like that 20:09:09 Oh, I almost forgot to ask... 20:09:20 Have any of you heard of Marko Rodin? 20:09:42 pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.121.191] has joined #lisp 20:10:18 http://markorodin.com/1.5/ 20:11:09 The knowledge there is useless to a newbie like me...but I thought it might be handy to those on the higher realms of programming language than I. 20:11:15 I can't take anything seriously that has the works "binary triplet". 20:11:20 s/works/words/ 20:11:23 Heh. 20:11:45 -!- pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.121.191] has left #lisp 20:12:15 glidesurfer [~rosario@77-64-171-36.dynamic.primacom.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:15 labnytru: that webpage was so pompomous I closed it without reading further 20:12:27 Ah, oh well...I'm not his advocate/proponent. 20:12:34 I just heard about it somewhere and bookmarked it. 20:12:38 that ranks astronomically high on the crackpot index 20:12:52 http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html 20:12:53 off scale readings here 20:13:06 MoALTz [~no@92.18.74.125] has joined #lisp 20:13:50 "...into a comprehensive platform that accurately models how all energy moves" <= beep! 20:13:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:14:14 oh it gets worse. 20:14:24 labnytru: It wouldn't got so high on my "pseudoscience" meter if it had less self-serving claims (and wouldn't go anywhere far if it had citations or links to reviews or just links to people trying to check his hypotheses) 20:14:46 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:14:49 ... and I was taught experiment design by modern psychology 20:14:53 Eh, no mattah, as they say in Hawaii. 20:15:06 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-164-208.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:12 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:04 Damn, now i'm trying to recall this one online book someone sent me regarding Common Lisp... 20:16:16 Ehh...something like... 20:16:18 SCIP? 20:16:19 SICP? 20:16:35 nope, that's about programming in general (and happens to use Scheme) :) 20:16:41 Yeah, there it is, SICP. 20:17:03 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-172-26.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:17:11 for Common Lisp, grab Gentle or PCL (Gentle being targeted more towards people new to programming while PCL is more for people who already program) 20:17:17 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:17:20 SICP is worth reading on its own 20:17:41 Heh, I'm kinda loaded with questions today, hope you'll bear with me. 20:17:47 *p_l|backup* still needs to sit down and finish his 2nd ed. copy from beginning to end *while* doing the exercises 20:18:15 Has anyone looked through Shapiro, "Common Lisp : An Interactive Approach" ? -> http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~shapiro/Commonlisp/ 20:19:02 labnytru: Here's a good launch point for Common Lisp references -> http://www.lispmachine.net/ 20:19:58 *p_l|backup* thinks he skimmed Shapiro's previous LISP book 20:20:42 labnytru: just don't ask here about newLisp... apparently there is rather big amount of bad blood :D 20:20:57 I haven't heard of newLisp before. 20:21:33 *tmh* just had a huge logic failure. 20:22:04 What? Because I haven't heard of newLisp? 20:22:38 labnytru: doubtful 20:22:57 labnytru: Nothing to do with you, making a random statement. I was creating a parallel loop over 2 lists that have no guarantee whatsoever of being equal in length. 20:23:11 Ah. 20:23:39 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.74.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:23:45 huzzah! 20:23:47 *Landr* triumphed 20:24:08 the CS library at my uni has nearly nothing on lisp, but then I realized I was looking in the wrong place 20:24:18 the linguistics library has over a dozen books! 20:24:39 (admittedly most of them in the line of "lisp for dummies and other humanities' students") 20:24:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghZpyHP7B_g EIght melodies! I like programming to this song. (If it doesn't put me to sleep.) 20:30:15 axia [~axia@c-24-131-81-136.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:58 -!- adobriyan [~ad@vulture2-nat-42.telecom.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:36:17 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:46 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:38:51 mon_key pasted "slime-inspect-asdf-system, slime-inspect-asdf-defined-systems" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086 20:39:10 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 20:39:35 -!- galiley [~user@212.21.153.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:08 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0e53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:26 mon_key: I think you can even hook into the slime inspector to provide nice component output / some dependency info! 20:40:30 that would be really nice 20:41:47 woah. lexical scope by default in elisp?! 20:42:19 also, buttons to compile/load single components? hmmm. (: 20:42:25 pkhuong: happy first of april 20:48:33 antifuchs: "... even hook ..." ?? 20:48:48 well, the slime inspector is extensible 20:49:08 I think you can specialize its UI for asdf systems as well (: 20:49:10 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:49:23 sellout [~Adium@80.187.193.6] has joined #lisp 20:49:23 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483CEC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:11 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-151-71.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:22 -!- gary-s [~gary@186.42.102.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:51:31 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:34 antifuchs: Is it? I just about gave up after running into SWANK::WITH-RETRY-RESTART in SWANK:INIT-INSPECTOR. 20:53:35 Yuuhi [benni@p5483CEC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:53 antifuchs: :\ 20:58:05 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.233.205] has joined #lisp 20:58:58 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.233.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:59 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:59:00 madscience [d8ef2d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.239.45.4] has joined #lisp 20:59:06 -!- xan__ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:59:53 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: I'll see you on the dark side of the moon] 21:00:50 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 21:04:29 hey athas 21:05:23 oh hi Athas (: 21:06:59 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 21:08:21 -!- Odaym [~unix@212.36.209.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:11:17 Hello! 21:15:03 lanthan [~ze@p54B7B92A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:22 xach: herep? 21:18:17 -!- muhdick [~qle@74-92-196-145-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18:56 s|k|a [~s|k|a@89.108.143.11] has joined #lisp 21:18:56 argiopeweb [~elliot@155.31.170.164] has joined #lisp 21:21:11 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:22:43 -!- dmytrish_ [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:24:39 -!- tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:24:39 tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 21:26:56 McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has joined #lisp 21:27:08 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:28:12 -!- s|k|a [~s|k|a@89.108.143.11] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 21:28:41 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:29:19 -!- drdo [~user@bl4-143-54.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:32:27 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-118-31.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:32:58 hello redline6561 21:33:28 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 21:33:45 -!- argiopeweb [~elliot@155.31.170.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:34:00 MoALTz [~no@92.8.155.99] has joined #lisp 21:37:40 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-140.vologda.ru] has quit [Quit:    .    ...] 21:39:15 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:41:43 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-118-31.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 21:42:00 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:42:02 -!- jdz [~jdz@host225-57-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:42:57 -!- glidesurfer [~rosario@77-64-171-36.dynamic.primacom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:44:45 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.155.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:52 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:48:20 Xach: I was wondering what the status of your pure Lisp PGP code was. Had you considered releasing it as a separate lib at some point? 21:48:25 resub [~resub@CPE-58-175-148-62.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:49:22 redline6561: I am working on the SHA1 bit, which is discouragingly slow on everything but SBCL 21:49:32 I have thought about making it available separately 21:49:54 Xach: Sorry to hear about the performance issues. 21:50:57 "Do you suffer from cryptile dysfunction? CLiagra can help." 21:51:02 danlentz pasted "Species of Lambda Lists and their Syntax" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121095 21:51:10 Xach: Do you think I could make use of it for a project involving SBCL? I trust you to write crypto code more than myself. :) 21:51:20 ha 21:51:37 -!- eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:51:45 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51:48 Well, this crypto code answers the question "Is blob of data foo a valid signature of blob of data bar from key baz?" It doesn't get into the web of trust issues. 21:51:54 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4080.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:09 And that signature code is mostly computing the hash of some data and doing some bignum arithmetic. 21:52:13 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 21:52:18 eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:20 If it was hard, I wouldn't be able to do it. 21:52:38 Xach: Gotcha. There's some client-side JS I can look into that might suffice. Thanks! 21:53:00 -!- emma is now known as em 21:53:09 Ironclad can do the SHA1 part if brevity is not a concern. 21:54:01 The part I have written that I don't think is available elsewhere is parsing PGP radix64 (which is a slight variation on base64) and the packet format 21:55:37 Xach: I see. Well I'll have another look at my security model keeping all this in mind. 21:56:54 MoALTz [~no@92.8.229.10] has joined #lisp 21:58:47 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-118-31.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:58:55 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:59:37 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-26-27.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:39 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:05 katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 22:00:35 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:01:00 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:06 xan_ [~xan@99.13.242.166] has joined #lisp 22:01:09 antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/x-nfqlqigihsegmdmm] has joined #lisp 22:03:29 -!- ldh [~ldh@static-217-37.vpn.wisc.edu] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 22:03:30 -!- katesmith 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[~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:20:15 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: it is the time to go to sleep indeed!!!] 23:21:52 -!- madscience [d8ef2d04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.239.45.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:24:24 Is it a bug that ASDF:COERCE-NAME doesn't STRING-DOWCASE its name arg? 23:25:23 e.g. is it possible to define a system with a case-sensitive string-name? 23:29:19 mon_key: it is possible. i frown heavily upon the practice. 23:29:35 mon_key: Pierre Mai shipped Deflate.asd last year but I talked him out of it. 23:30:52 -!- glidesurfer [~rosario@77-64-171-36.dynamic.primacom.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:31:45 xach did you write the land of lisp book? 23:32:22 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:32 Hrmmph. Well assuming one did have a system-name "FOO" and it were subsequently able to find its way onto ASDF::*DEFINED-SYSTEMS* then ASDF:CLEAR-SYSTEM wouldn't 23:33:25 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 23:35:14 mon_key: Why? 23:35:23 -!- systemaddict [~anonymous@208.74.177.139.static.etheric.net] has quit [Quit: systemaddict] 23:35:26 its hash-table-test is equal? 23:36:11 mon_key: (asdf:clear-system "FOO") would do the trick. 23:36:21 sure it would. 23:37:08 mon_key: You just wrote that it wouldn't, then that it would. Which do you really think? 23:37:49 Xach: it would and it wouldn't (asdf:find-system "FOO") (asdf:clear-system :FOO) 23:37:56 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: .] 23:38:30 You didn't mention :foo earlier. 23:38:53 Xach: {: I mentioned ASDF:COERCE-NAME 23:39:22 mon_key: So did I. 23:40:04 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:40:17 OK. I'm not sure yet how the component gets onto the H-T but if it gets dowcased on the way in then its likely a bug. 23:40:48 Why? 23:41:52 mon_key: It gets into the table with a key that is converted with coerce-name. 23:43:10 Hence my initial query. if key can ever be a string prior to insertion then user code can't reliable clear-system 23:44:14 mon_key: Sure it can. 23:44:25 mon_key: Can you explain why you think it can't? 23:44:28 reliably? 23:44:40 What is unreliable about using the string that was used as the key? 23:45:34 Maybe i should dig through all of asdf.lisp to find the occurences of key before finalizing my assertion. 23:45:56 I don't understand what you think is unreliable. Can you clarify what scenario you think is unreliable and why? 23:46:53 I don't have a particularly large asdf::*defined-systems* table but all of the keys are "string-downcase". I would be surprised if there are many that do. 23:47:12 That do what? 23:47:43 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:47:49 Sorry that have a table that isn't contained of all downcased keys. 23:48:30 mon_key: It's very unusual for people to use strings in defsystem forms, but they are allowed and the behavior is fairly straightforward. 23:48:41 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-143.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:48:48 mon_key: you could have a file named Funky.asd with (asdf:defsystem "Funky" ...) inside 23:49:02 mon_key: If you (asdf:load-system "Funky"), you would then have to (asdf:clear-system "Funky") 23:49:10 So what is the rationale behind downcasing the symbol-name of Funky? 23:49:24 Using symbols is shorthand for using strings that are designated by the lowercased name of the symbol. 23:49:42 I don't really know. That's an old decision. 23:50:20 which user code should reliabley intuit? :) 23:50:21 mon_key: You mean if the file was named funky.asd and the system was (asdf:defsystem funky ...)? 23:50:28 either 23:50:33 Either what? 23:51:09 Either that or any possibility where case might become orthogonal 23:51:29 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:51:39 Would there be some drawback to string-downcasing "FOO" on the way into the h-t? 23:52:33 blargh... i can compile asdf-install, i can load it (manually) ... but when i write the instructions to do so in my .clisprc, it fails to load upon startup 23:52:43 Landr: what happens? 23:53:31 mon_key: I think it would be nice, but it would be an incompatible change in the API. Maybe people have private projects named McClim2.asd 23:54:00 So its not a bug. Thanks 23:54:21 longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has joined #lisp 23:54:28 sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:54:51 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/121098 23:54:53 There is a widespread convention of using symbols to designate names in defsystem forms. 23:55:03 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:09 Just seems odd that CL would be case insensitive wherease ASDF is case-sensitive... 23:55:31 as far as I can tell, it does load asdf-install... but then crashes over another file 23:55:34 longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has joined #lisp 23:55:44 namely port.lisp 23:56:00 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:05 Landr: can you show me what it looks like when you manually load it? 23:56:13 just a second 23:57:10 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:57:10 http://paste.lisp.org/display/121099 23:57:43 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:57:50 it gives the same " an object cannot start with #\)" error with the .lisp file, but it doesn't crash over whatever the heck is wrong with a nil somewhere 23:57:53 -!- zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:58:03 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 23:58:13 Landr: ah. no, it's the same failure. 23:58:39 hmm 23:59:37 i'm guessing the clisprc file does something different for some reason 23:59:40 zmv [~daniel@c934ad95.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp