00:00:43 redline6561: ok, thanks 00:00:53 astalla: I am also pretty familiar with development of clim (: 00:01:10 I'm the maintainer of clim for allegro common lisp 00:01:27 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-193-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 00:01:31 but ah, you're asking about mcclim (: 00:03:14 yes, but - I don't really know allegro's clim nor mcclim - I was just wondering how hard it would be to write a new backend for mcclim... 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quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:58 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 03:05:33 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-182-106.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:47 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:06:58 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 03:07:09 fihi09 [~user@pool-71-190-69-241.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:49 Is there any reason alexandria:if-let* doesn't exist? 03:09:35 I'm not aware of one 03:09:43 except people might be tempted to add if*-let (; 03:10:34 eh, when-let* exists 03:12:01 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 03:12:48 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:15 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:21 ah 03:14:23 -!- m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:14:43 yeah, that makes a bit of sense. 03:14:51 what does? 03:15:24 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:16:58 when-let* 03:17:11 Why doesn't if-let* make sense? 03:17:15 pers [~user@209.sub-75-198-169.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 03:17:35 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:24 not sure. let me try something. 03:19:26 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:33 I was expecting if-let to work as a let* anyway, because it short-circuits when the first binding is NIL 03:20:08 I was expecting it to work too 03:20:16 actually, it doesn't short-circuit 03:20:20 But it doesn't, currently having to do two IF-LET's in a row 03:20:29 mhm. 03:20:59 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:23:50 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27:30 -!- leo2007 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Does anyone know of emacs magic that can do pattern matching refactoring of s-expressions? 04:09:55 pers: redshank might qualify, I suppose. 04:11:13 pkhuong: ahh, yes. I will look into this. I had read http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/st/lehre/Arte-fakt/Seminar/papers/06/Formal/pattern-language-for-refactoring.pdf a while back and wanted to implemnet such a thing and now I could really use something like that. 04:11:28 phkuong: thank you. 04:11:44 pers: http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=viewblob&p=public/emacs&h=831ed5d04cff53a948b3d1845447b77687374c17&hb=e57067965e5def38d5fa18dab0aa75cff3d049b9&f=pjb-pmatch.el 04:12:01 "pkhuong", sorry. I should slow down my typing. 04:12:19 and of course, map-sexps in http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=viewblob&p=public/emacs&h=1974ea9c4ef3a4e4806dde3a1eba2ba3c578bc25&hb=e57067965e5def38d5fa18dab0aa75cff3d049b9&f=pjb-sources.el 04:12:55 pjb: That is at the CL level. I would like something at the emacs level. I'll also try #emacs. 04:13:01 pjb: but thanks anyway! 04:13:16 I don't understand. Is it pjb-pmatch.lisp or pjb-pmatch.el? 04:14:04 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx57-1-68.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:14:08 ahh. pjb. you are correct. The top of the file says .lisp, but the code is elisp. Many thanks! 04:14:34 Aw. Once upon a time I had hooks to update the comments automatically... 04:15:31 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-193-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 04:15:35 -!- MrPatience [~LordPatie@CPE-124-184-225-51.lns11.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:17:09 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:17:25 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:17:50 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.11.197] has joined #lisp 04:18:38 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.87] has joined #lisp 04:18:46 pjb: How does one git clone from the web interface? I only see a tar.gz download. 04:19:23 Instructions are at http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/ 04:19:49 pjb: thank you. 04:20:05 Perhaps gitview is not good enough. Do you know a better one? (eg. it produces long urls, to specific versions instead of short urls to the head). 04:20:50 pjb: I use github with much joy. 04:20:59 agreed, github++ 04:21:31 Well, I have a clone somewhere, but I don't want to fall into the Minitel 2.0 web. 04:22:16 Github is full of win but I mirror to two VPS servers just in case. :) 04:23:26 pjb: I went kicking and screaming also. 04:24:08 *pers* was assimilated 04:25:59 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@h134n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:26:11 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@203-214-47-12.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:26:37 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has left #lisp 04:28:03 redline6561: I mirror to any repo checkout (: 04:29:54 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:30:44 antifuchs: Huh? Why not just mirror to git.boinkor.net? :) 04:30:59 yeah, that would work 04:31:15 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 04:31:20 but why do that when every time I push there, I already have an offsite copy (: 04:31:29 (that, plus my daily backup at home) 04:31:42 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-168-102.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 04:34:06 antifuchs: Why indeed? Commit hooks, automate, automate, automate. ;) 04:35:05 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-237-31.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:35:15 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:44:27 Genieliu [~genie@59.78.62.120] has joined #lisp 04:45:50 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:25 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:36 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-45-220.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:52:19 I'm sure some ITAers will appreciate this: http://sofias.soup.io/post/111847978/My-mom-has-a-PhD-in-math (: 04:54:34 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:03 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 04:57:53 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:59:51 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 05:02:31 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-163-32.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 05:03:26 timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has joined #lisp 05:04:13 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 05:04:49 -!- panike [~nwp@ppp-70-226-168-217.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #lisp 05:05:50 -!- gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06:19 I have some code running in the background loaded using quicklisp. I'm also working on the same code in slime connected to a different instance of sbcl. It seems that recompiling some parts of the codebase often causes "CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL" messages in the background process. 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updated win32 threads status 07:55:48 *antifuchs* is happy 07:59:41 Liera [~user@123.20.29.184] has joined #lisp 08:00:21 -!- Arelius [d0507552@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.80.117.82] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:02:23 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:03:39 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 08:03:40 M-sprite [~M-sprite@218.74.190.73] has joined #lisp 08:04:51 Good afternoon! 08:05:51 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:07:20 kiuma [~kiuma@93-36-11-28.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:08:00 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:41 Liera: yes hello 08:08:44 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 08:08:59 hello schmrkc 08:10:27 good morning 08:10:49 mornin 08:21:06 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.20.29.184] has left #lisp 08:21:25 Areil [~Areil@123.20.29.184] has joined #lisp 08:23:06 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.196.58] has joined 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08:41:25 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has left #lisp 08:42:03 kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #lisp 08:42:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:42:23 hi, im trying to install sbcl on my server and i get this error during installation: fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 24991(tid 3085141696) 08:42:50 and then it says "CATS. CATS ARE NICE." and enters LDB, a low level debugger for lisp 08:43:10 ive tried installing via synaptic and doing a manual install from source and i get the same error 08:43:26 has anyone encountered this problem? 08:44:25 ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-76-58.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:44:35 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:45:30 hmm, it appears to install fine, the error only comes up when i run sbcl 08:46:06 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@218.74.190.73] has quit [Quit: I need to code or sleep now .] 08:47:03 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.228] has joined #lisp 08:47:22 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-11-45.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:48:54 kramer3d: that's seriously weird 08:49:12 kramer3d: what does uname -a say? 08:49:13 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:30 Linux argunda 2.6.27-gandi-2777 #14 SMP Sun Jan 17 19:09:24 CET 2010 i686 GNU/Linux 08:49:43 i tried to install the x86 version 08:49:58 x86 should be fine 08:49:58 of sbcl 08:50:02 yeah it installed fine 08:50:05 but i cant run it :( 08:50:14 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 08:50:31 is that a virtual server or something? 08:50:34 yeah 08:51:17 sounds like an issue with thread support of the vserver then 08:51:19 do you think thats why its not working? 08:51:20 ok 08:51:26 there have been problems like that before 08:51:29 ugh 08:51:45 give me a while and i'll cook you an unthreaded x86 sbcl 08:52:12 awesome 08:52:13 (afaik modern xen is fine with sbcl, dunno about others) 08:52:35 what is a "modern" xen? 08:52:49 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-210-142.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 08:52:49 most recent? 08:53:13 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@194.48.133.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:54:39 M-sprite [~M-sprite@218.74.190.73] has joined #lisp 08:54:44 jewel: you assume details? :) i don't know, actually 08:56:30 nikodemus, will the unthreaded sbcl mean that i won't be able to run multiple instances of sbcl at the same time? 08:56:31 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@218.74.190.73] has quit [Client Quit] 08:59:30 kramer3d: multiple instances, yes. multiple threads in the same instance, no 08:59:57 :/ 09:01:19 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 09:02:03 kramer3d: i *know* tech.coop offers sbcl friendly hosting 09:03:33 and the finnish hosting service i happen to use keeps sbcl happy too, but i don't actually know what the issues are with various virtualization options and which ones cry when sbcl does its thing 09:03:57 http://tech.coop/Hosting%20Services 09:04:11 nikodemus: I think you might be referring to non-hvm Xen, especially 2.0 09:04:22 (for the "not playing nice") 09:04:29 nikodemus, what hosting service do you use? 09:04:53 Xen 2.0 didn't play nice even with glibc threading :D 09:05:34 sbcl builds on top of glibc threads, but also sets up its own tls lookup 09:06:09 Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has joined #lisp 09:07:11 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-157-170.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 09:07:26 to be exact, Xen 2.0 had issue with i386 and modern TLS, so you had to use "non-TLS" version of glibc 09:08:06 (my diagnosis of kramer3d's problem is based on the fact that he's running a vserver and his symptom is caused by create_initial_thread returning, which it never should) 09:08:53 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has left #lisp 09:09:49 Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has joined #lisp 09:11:21 kramer3d: btw, you didn't mention what kind of vsrver it is 09:11:48 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:11:55 im not sure 09:13:21 my host is gandi.net 09:14:01 H4ns` [~user@p579F87F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:05 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:21 its a cloud server 09:16:11 http://random-state.net/tmp/sbcl-1.0.46.13-x86-linux-binary.tar.bz2 # try this 09:17:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:17:20 just untar it, enter the directory, and do "sh run-sbcl.sh" -- you don't need to install it to try to run it 09:17:35 -!- H4ns [~user@p579F8A36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18:08 ok 09:18:10 thanks ill try it 09:21:33 is anyone help me 09:21:40 I want to create an image (pgm format) by putting bytes in right position (x, y) 09:21:54 like this (set-byte newimage x y byte) 09:22:07 but i dont know how to start 09:22:47 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:38 oh sweet it works! 09:23:41 thanks nikodemus 09:24:22 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 09:26:28 no problem 09:30:08 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:19 kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #lisp 09:31:23 hi all,can i handle signal(INT) in scheme(guile)? 09:31:35 nikodemus, i need help uninstalling sbcl 09:31:46 the previous version i had :( 09:32:31 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-76-58.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 09:32:41 oh,i think i find the answer 09:33:10 ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-76-58.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:35:41 kramer3d: if you install the new one on top of it, the old one will be /usr/local/bin/sbcl.old plus files in /usr/local/lib/sbcl.old/ 09:36:12 ok thanks 09:36:18 if you don't install the new one yet, the just drop the .old suffixes 09:37:21 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-11-45.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:39:20 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:17 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002ca8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:43:32 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:02 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47:31 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 09:47:59 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1DBA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:50:49 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:51:50 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 09:51:51 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:54:45 Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has joined #lisp 09:56:48 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:57:13 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 09:58:04 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 09:58:20 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has left #lisp 09:59:09 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 09:59:50 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-8-87.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:00:34 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 10:01:07 benny [~benny@i577A1D36.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 10:01:38 Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.163.34] has joined #lisp 10:01:49 As a novice CL user (i.e. 1 year after noob), when is it good style to define error conditions? 10:02:17 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:25 When none of the pre-existing conditions match the new condition. 10:02:33 galumph [~ron@bzq-84-108-249-117.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:02:36 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:02:54 Right, but what if a simle (error "blah") would suffice? 10:03:08 That is, a general condition. 10:03:18 A simple (error "blah") is never sufficient: it cannot be handled meaningfully. 10:03:58 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 10:04:06 I suppose, but what about simply using ERROR without a condition in :initforms in classes? 10:04:24 What more can I say? 10:04:32 I guess. 10:04:40 nikodemus, thanks alot for your help. very much appreciated :) http://argunda.com:8080 10:05:54 jtza8: of course, some time lazyness takes over, and you just use (error "blah"). 10:06:07 *_3b* would say (error "foo") is like putting LOAD or REQUIRE forms at the top of a file instead of using .asd, or like not exporting anything from a package... OK for getting started, but not really appropriate for something with a real API 10:06:11 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 10:06:27 Which implementation should I use with Common Lisp? 10:06:44 sbcl 10:06:45 galumph: anyone. all of them. whichever. 10:06:48 sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 10:06:48 My package manager says there are tens of them 10:06:54 <_3b> galumph: sbcl, ccl amd clisp are common suggestions, depends on what platform you use, and what your requirements are 10:07:02 I'd use sbcl only for the final optimization/compilation. 10:07:46 <_3b> s/amd/and/ 10:07:51 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.196.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:08:14 clisp it is then 10:08:19 pjb: Yep, thanks. 10:08:21 galumph: each of them has it's advantages and inconvenient. You'd choose one or another depending on the project and the phase of development. 10:08:24 *_3b* uses sbcl primarily, and others only for testing portability or for running in constrained memory 10:08:59 M-sprite [~M-sprite@218.74.190.73] has joined #lisp 10:09:00 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:06 billstclair_ [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 10:09:17 _3b: That includes everything in that API that can be an error? 10:10:46 _3b: I was just wondering when I'd be overdoing it... I guess I can't. 10:11:21 well, i think it's a real step if the API documents the fact that in cases X, Y, and Z "an error" will be signalled. 10:11:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:11:29 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:11:31 <_3b> jtza8: i mean errors are part of the API, so just using (erro "foo") is neglecting that part of the API 10:11:47 jtza8: well, you can ask yourself how the condition may help a program to handle it and recover from the error automatically. 10:11:47 <_3b> you should also think about whether there could be restarts to go with those errors, etc 10:11:57 having a separate condition is a nice bonus of course 10:12:06 <_3b> or whether callers might want to add restarts for them 10:12:37 sbcl is an interpreter, right? Not a compiler 10:12:47 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12:51 <_3b> galumph: it is both, it compiles by default 10:13:15 jtza8: also, mind using cerror instead of error, ccase instead of ecase, ctypecase instead of etypecase, etc. 10:13:36 <_3b> galumph: every common lisp implementation does at least some compilation, which can be anything from expanding macros, to generating machine code 10:14:10 I'll go with sbcl then 10:14:21 gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:27 galumph: my advice is clisp or ccl... 10:14:27 <_3b> galumph: sbcl generates machine code by default, but can interpret directly, clisp interprets by default, but can compile to bytecode, some interpret by default but compile to machine code 10:14:48 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:15:29 machine code == asm? 10:15:38 <_3b> not really 10:15:51 <_3b> though asm usually translate pretty directly to machine code 10:15:52 pjb: clisp want twice as many dependencies for some reason 10:16:01 wants 10:16:11 galumph: yes, but it takes also only 4 MB... 10:17:22 I'd bet clisp is the implementation with the smalest footprint, and generating the smallest executable (apart from ecl which may generate smaller executable, but has a much bigger footprint (since it needs gcc)). 10:18:49 but gcc /is/ installed on many systems by default 10:19:15 It's still an (optional) run-time dependency for ecl 10:20:12 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-010-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:20:38 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-010-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:46 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-010-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:21:08 How about a book or tutorial, do y'all recommend anything? The only experience I've ever had with Lisp is messing with my Emacs init file. 10:21:22 http://cliki.net contains all the pointers. 10:21:42 <_3b> http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 10:22:05 http://landoflisp.com/ 10:22:20 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:22:39 Thanks, I'll take a look 10:22:50 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:24:32 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 10:26:13 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:26:43 RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.19.252.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 10:29:38 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-36-11-28.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:32:19 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.196.58] has joined #lisp 10:33:23 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.196.58] has quit [Client Quit] 10:35:20 brodo [~brodo@p5B0246E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:39:02 _3b, pjb: Thanks for the advice, I've learnt something from it :) 10:39:35 Soulman1 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 10:42:36 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-76-58.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:55 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:02 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43:14 Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has joined #lisp 10:45:19 coming back to the discussion about xen, does xen behave differently with 64-bit clients. Are there any issues with 64-bit SBCL running under xen? 10:45:28 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 10:46:15 SBCL would run OVER xen, not under. 10:46:46 I mean in the virtual machine 10:47:28 <_3b> at one point (a few years ago?) 64bit sbcl would crash xen, haven't heard of problems since then though 10:47:30 Is there a version of SBCL running directly on the supervisor? Otherwise you have to run SBCL on (eg) Linux on Xen. 10:47:54 ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-76-58.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:52:23 bhyde` [~user@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:44 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:53:20 -!- bhyde [~user@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:55 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 10:55:00 lurker-x [~androirc@c-174-53-229-4.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:28 basho___ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-010-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:19 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:01:24 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-010-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:48 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:03:41 AndroUser2 [~androirc@32.168.225.81] has joined #lisp 11:04:24 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.19.252.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:40 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-145.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:05:39 -!- ifaria [~user@2001:250:4001:143:222:68ff:fe76:88e4] has left #lisp 11:07:26 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@c-174-53-229-4.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:44 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:10:27 RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.19.252.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 11:12:22 milanj [~milanj_@79-101-220-88.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 11:13:11 CallToPower [~CallToPow@xdsl-92-252-31-83.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:16:19 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002ca8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:12 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:18:10 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:25:10 does anyone have a mirror for http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/darcs/cffi 11:25:19 i need it for installing hunchentoot 11:25:52 <_3b> http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=projects/cffi/cffi.git 11:26:18 <_3b> probably easier to use something like quicklisp to get dependencies though 11:26:23 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:26:24 use quicklisp, yes 11:26:33 minion: quicklisp 11:26:45 minion? bah 11:26:57 http://www.quicklisp.org/ 11:27:32 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 11:27:35 then you can just do (ql:quickload "hunchentoot") 11:28:01 hmm 11:28:03 oudeis [~oudeis@rrcs-184-74-207-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:28:18 but kramer3d, be adviced that hunchentoot AFAIK isn't really designed to work without threads ... which you now don't have :/ 11:28:36 dang 11:28:57 -!- AndroUser2 [~androirc@32.168.225.81] has quit [Quit: bye...] 11:30:01 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:30:14 kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #lisp 11:30:20 nikodemus, what about allegroserve? 11:30:23 would that work? 11:30:25 -!- CallToPower [~CallToPow@xdsl-92-252-31-83.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: > /dev/null 2>&1] 11:31:44 kramer3d: i don't know 11:31:51 ok ill try it 11:32:45 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 11:33:08 kramer3d: what is your end goal here_ 11:33:25 nikodemus, get lisp up and running on my server 11:33:30 so i can make some web apps 11:33:53 im gonna try quicklisp 11:33:55 if you want to write a webapp using lisp, i would strongly suggest moving to hosting where you can run threaded sbcl 11:34:03 ok 11:34:16 well ive paid for a month already 11:34:19 :( 11:34:35 but for getting started i suspect single-threaded hunchentoot may work fine 11:34:46 :) 11:35:02 maybe not for publishing your stuff to the world, but for private use 11:35:12 <_3b> you might also try ccl, on the off-chance it survives whatever is breaking sbcl threads on that VM 11:35:20 good point, there 11:36:10 (and *very* interesting if it does survive) 11:36:15 ccl = cmu common lisp? 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12:59:41 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:02:11 Agari [~Agari@107.Red-81-38-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:50 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has left #lisp 13:05:04 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:06:46 I don't know, but I know how I'd try to get counter evidence: load clx, try to open-default-display twice. 13:08:13 That's exactly what i was trying 13:08:28 And the second open-display wouldn't return 13:09:56 Interesting. Immediately returns a new connection to the XQuartz server, on my macbook. 13:11:53 -!- galumph [~ron@bzq-84-108-249-117.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:58 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002ca8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-8-87.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:16:20 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 13:22:23 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 13:25:52 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 13:28:20 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-21-168.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:38 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:33:18 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:33:59 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@32.168.234.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:25 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:43:23 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:16 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:43 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:46:58 kramer3d [~kramer@residents-NATted-129-174-190-101.residents.gmu.edu] has joined #lisp 13:46:58 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@residents-NATted-129-174-190-101.residents.gmu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 13:46:58 kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #lisp 13:47:14 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:47:55 -!- Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has quit [Quit: Love is the law, love under Will.] 13:50:18 miv_ [~miv@94.231.123.31] has joined #lisp 13:51:02 -!- miv_ [~miv@94.231.123.31] has quit [Client Quit] 13:55:08 gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:26 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:33 drdo: you can have more than one connection; that's one of the reasons X and threads don't love each other 14:02:19 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:03:36 LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:03 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 14:04:06 alama [~alama@193.196.30.20] has joined #lisp 14:04:07 http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/multicore-series-2-0224.html <-- this is hopelessly popular science and annoying for that, but it strikes me that a LispOS should be able to do well when introspection and dynamic selection is required 14:07:08 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07:26 lurker-x [~androirc@32.168.234.23] has joined #lisp 14:08:33 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.195.89] has joined #lisp 14:09:59 -!- gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:23 gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:01 -!- gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:18 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.195.89] has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:35 -!- Agari [~Agari@107.Red-81-38-181.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:35 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:50 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 14:13:43 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 14:14:01 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:35 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:12 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:16 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 14:16:23 Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:18:17 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-5.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:20:59 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:21:57 morning 14:22:45 not really morning anymore here :) 14:23:14 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:23:24 good afternoon 14:23:26 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:41 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 14:24:03 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:59 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:25 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 14:29:06 francogrex [~user@109.130.131.118] has joined #lisp 14:30:19 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:47 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:31:14 Hi, anyone knows if there is publicly available articles on f2cl. I'm trying to get this paper, but the uni doesn't have subscription that goes that far back: Fortran to Lisp Translation using f2cl. Software: Practice and Experience. Volume 26, Issue 10, pages 11271139, October 1996 14:32:53 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:03 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:09 Argh, foiled by implementation-divergent keywords in to using #+/#-. 14:34:11 -!- alama [~alama@193.196.30.20] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:16 alama [~alama@193.196.30.20] has joined #lisp 14:38:24 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 14:39:15 francogrex: you've tried checking for a digital edition? 14:41:03 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:16 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host158-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:42:40 francogrex: if it's worth a little money (I hope it's little anyway) it's available on Wiley Online 14:43:28 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.17.76] has joined #lisp 14:43:54 hi, what's a good way to build graphical UIs with CL? 14:44:30 cesarbp: CAPI 14:44:48 kencausey: hmm, ok although the uni says I don't have subscription, I see that I can get it 14:45:17 -!- zakwilson [~quassel@chat.qniformchat.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 14:45:28 I'm agnostic, but I've heard some people argue that a local webserver can work well these days. 14:45:33 zakwilson [~quassel@chat.qniformchat.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:41 francogrex:cool 14:45:53 Ah nice, thanks. 14:46:18 if you want it i can share (by dcc); it's for the sake of science... 14:47:07 I don't know if it's interesting for anyone anymore though (f2cl) 14:49:14 nikodemus`: I have (directory foo :bar t :allow-other-keys t) in a lisp file, but when i compile i get a full warning and failure. 14:49:21 nikodemus`: i wish it didn't do that :( 14:49:47 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:49:56 *Xach* isn't sure he wishes hard enough to, you know, file a bug 14:50:06 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has 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http://rubini.us/#lay_speak <-- oooooh, this is what Lisp lacks to get popular 15:01:35 Xach: just a sec 15:01:36 -!- koning_robot [~aap@50-208.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:01:41 mathrick: ...huh? 15:01:52 Xach: builds an inverted index for your code - http://www.gnu.org/software/idutils/ 15:01:56 -!- Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:02:14 sykopomp: look at the diagram and it's content-free, buzzword-oriented glory! 15:02:20 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 15:02:33 Gmind [~Nevermind@123.16.108.26] has joined #lisp 15:02:36 *its 15:03:18 nikodemus`: (compile nil '(lambda () (directory "/" :allow-other-keys t))) produces a warning I didn't expect, though. 15:03:22 more like substance-free. 15:03:26 Xach: http://www.gnu.org/software/idutils/manual/html_node/index.html 15:03:43 sykopomp: in ruby, you can have both :) 15:03:51 *Xach* doesn't know chapter and verse on the topic, though 15:03:52 sb-c::check-key-args doesn't check for allow-other-keys 15:04:09 mathrick: and it still won't finish evaluating 1 + 1 before the heat death of the universe. 15:04:19 heh 15:04:20 so ymmv 15:04:38 actually rubinius is (one of) their JIT runtimes 15:05:02 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.131.118] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:05:05 a term that is apparently too advanced for Ruby programmers. 15:06:40 -!- alama [~alama@193.196.30.20] has quit [Quit: alama] 15:07:41 dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-223-151.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:11:22 i have fix, building and adding a test-case 15:13:04 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:15:19 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:35 dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-141-74-120.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:16:36 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:26 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79-101-220-88.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has 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I'm trying to write an arithmetic coder and I'm a bit lost about using streams, especially about using trivial-bit-streams. Is there a good tutorial or introduction about gray-streams somewhere? 16:21:21 The Gray streams proposal together with code samples seem to help grasp the ideas, but a concise tutorial would also help... 16:21:38 read the code 16:21:53 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:23:47 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 16:25:27 -!- M-sprite [~M-sprite@218.74.190.73] has quit [Quit: I need to code or sleep now .] 16:25:30 m1ngus [~Adium@tunnel-32-57.vpn.uib.no] has joined #lisp 16:26:00 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:14 lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:33 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-053-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:35 rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:36 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-145.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:30:51 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:07 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 16:32:31 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-229-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:32:31 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:01 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:47 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:33:51 nikodemus_ [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:34:15 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:34:17 urandom__ [~user@p548A589B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:43 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:34:51 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-229-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 16:37:41 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:38:21 Xach: fixed in CVS 16:38:39 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:55 Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has joined #lisp 16:39:05 nikodemus: thanks. 16:39:16 dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-74-16.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:40:44 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:36 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@93-141-12-94.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:42:18 -!- tty234 [telex@ip-46-21-207-188.euro-web.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:42:30 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:42:47 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 16:45:43 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-82-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 16:46:18 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-113-16.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:46:21 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 16:47:10 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslax058.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:47:20 -!- Areil`` is now known as Areil 16:52:35 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:56:52 nikodemus: can you fix clisp too? :) 16:58:11 sbcl --eval '(save-lisp-and-die "clisp" :executable t)'; gzexe clisp 16:58:57 dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-191-82.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 17:02:11 -!- dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-74-16.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:02:27 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-131-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:11:31 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 17:13:31 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.11.197] has quit [Quit: ] 17:13:47 Bronsa [~brace@host158-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:14:47 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 17:16:08 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:24 do any of the non-commercial CL implementation generate small standalone executables? 17:17:26 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:27 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.94] has joined #lisp 17:17:42 algal: what's small to you? 17:18:00 let's say "hello world" under 1 MB ? 17:18:10 Not that I know of. (I don't think any of the commercial ones would either.) 17:18:23 ok. thx 17:18:49 algal: ECL would at least be in the ballpark. 1-2MB for hello world. 17:19:48 sorry, ecl, for forgetting about you! 17:19:57 redline6561: thanks. do you happen to know if it achieves that by dropping anything essential? Or does it just use a different compilation stragegy? 17:20:49 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:20:57 algal: A very different compilation strategy. CL->C then passing that on to a C compiler. 17:21:46 algal: I have a 76K application in my ~/bin but it has to be able to find libecl. You could always distribute that with your app of course. It's pretty small IIRC. 17:21:54 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 17:22:38 [redline@lispmachine ~]$ du -h /usr/lib/libecl* ... 2.2M /usr/lib/libecl.so.11.1.1 17:23:45 redline6561: ok. So presumably I could bundle libecl with the standalone and then the whole app weighs in <3MB. 17:23:52 algal: Bingo. 17:24:09 So sounds like since ECL goes to C, it's essentially leveraging that libc is already installed everywhere. 17:24:23 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.19.170] has left #lisp 17:24:42 while I suppose whatever standalone the other implementations build are doing more from scratch, as it were? 17:24:50 algal: Among other things yeah. I still use SBCL for most stuff but if binary size really matters and you don't want to have to say "install lisp compiler X", ECL is probably the place to start. 17:25:25 algal: With the others you either ship code+compiler or binary image containing compiler+code. Yes. 17:26:34 algal: sbcl uses libc, too 17:26:56 algal: ecl comes with a ~1.5-2mb libecl which can be statically linked into your executable 17:28:31 algal: ECL's unusual strategy does give it some trouble. I've had a problem deploying a larger application because some of the lisp libs it depended on did weird stuff in their *.asd files. see: http://www.mail-archive.com/ecls-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00271.html 17:30:14 -!- jsn` [~user@c-76-124-86-104.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:17 algal: Generally speaking, the expectation in Lisp that the compiler is always present makes programming delightful but can complicate the traditional view of deployment. 17:30:46 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:31:17 redline6561: yeah, I had the impression. I was just wondering what the practical results were in terms of MB. 17:32:02 even if a large standalone isn't a practical problem, it's still a bit awkward to explain in some contexts... 17:32:56 algal: gzexe helps 17:33:27 nikodemus: ok. 17:34:41 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:35:39 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 17:36:36 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:37:03 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:22 l4ndfo [~l4ndfo@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:27 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-229-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:40:35 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 17:41:27 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:41:56 EarlGray 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