00:00:12 Xach: Sure, i'm not particularly motivated to write one either, but it would be nice to have 00:00:59 *stassats* is just waiting till someone writes one 00:01:01 drdo: There are a lot of things that are nice to have that I think are more likely to eventually exist in a useful form. 00:01:44 attila_lendvai: frankly speaking, a big reason behind lack of improvement was momentum of the market. Windows would look vastly different if they could have forced the applications to not only follow the changes, but actually use *ANY* api correctly 00:01:50 it's surprising how much can you accomplish by just waiting while someone does else it 00:02:29 -!- rgrau [~user@62.Red-88-2-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:55 btw, you heard of the recent move regarding NT on ARM? They had been on it for circa 8 years, if not more 00:03:18 that is, working on getting to the point where they can "jump arch" 00:03:21 all I care is SBCL on ARM 00:03:56 When are those nvidia arm desktop cpu's coming out? 00:03:56 stassats: Me too ... I just bought a PogoPlug for $50 and installed Debian on it. 00:04:31 drdo: you mean Tegra2 "I can't do vectors"? 00:05:07 you can grab it already, but mostly in Tablet form 00:05:52 reb: did you try to run Clozure CL on it? 00:06:01 I'd be happy if i could get a decent, affordable laptop 00:06:04 -!- csamuelson [~csamuelso@adsl-240-246-114.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:06:11 if you want better solution... hmm... grab a HT-compatible FPGA, get a Cortex-A15 core, some HT-compatible motherboard and replace BIOS with OpenFirmware compiled for ARM 00:06:36 drdo: i'd employ the strategy of waiting in this case 00:06:45 stassats: That's my plan 00:06:58 stassats: Not yet. I just installed emacs, clisp, slime, etc. 00:07:12 clisp ain't fun 00:07:29 stassats: Maybe not, but it can build SBCL. 00:07:50 it's quite slow at it 00:08:18 I will try to install CCL, just haven't gotten to it yet. 00:08:43 oudeis [~oudeis@181.sub-75-208-42.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 00:08:54 isn't there a sbcl package for debian? 00:09:02 very probably 00:09:15 Perhaps so, but not for the ARM CPU architecture. 00:09:28 reb: hm, that's not nice. 00:10:04 -!- jikanter [~a@66.146.192.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:12:12 mathguru123 [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:14 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:13:26 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 00:14:10 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 00:14:16 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:14:18 -!- lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:14:20 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 00:15:06 lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has joined #lisp 00:16:44 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:18:18 zmv: http://packages.debian.org/sbcl 00:19:13 wait, there's an ARM package! 00:19:33 I thought we didn't recommend debian packages. 00:20:07 I didn't. I just pointed out that there is one. 00:20:11 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:22:11 zmv: no but ilmari implicitly did my not adding "(but we don't recommend it)" to the URL above. 00:22:18 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:23:11 beach: I see. 00:24:20 phil_ [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:32 beach: I didn't realise "we" didn't recommend them 00:24:33 csamuelson [~csamuelso@adsl-240-246-114.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:50 -!- phil_ [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:25:01 it's not recommended to recommend them (-; 00:25:05 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 00:25:23 zmv: I don't think sbcl is ported to the ARM architecture yet 00:25:37 since it generates native code and comes with a somewhat complex runtime, that can take some effort 00:25:49 *ilmari* prefers using distro packages whenever available 00:26:25 before quicklisp, they used to clash hilariously with whatever scheme you come up with for managing your libraries 00:26:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-159.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:27:11 in the new quicklisp world, they still tend to outdate quickly (especially the debian packages; in the 2 years after lenny was released, there were approx. >40 sbcl releases) 00:28:19 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:28:24 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:29:08 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:29:38 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:14 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:20 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-150.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:32:46 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 00:34:26 someone wrote a CLIM frontend for quicklisp and sent it to me today. 00:34:35 *Xach* was not expecting it 00:34:42 :) 00:34:46 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:34:57 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:35:20 Fare [~Fare@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 00:35:36 Xach: Does it look to be usable/of any benefit? 00:35:41 sounds nice. 00:35:47 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:11 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 00:36:14 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:49 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:37:03 Nice! Someone we know? 00:37:04 Not really. It was the author's first CLIM program, and quicklisp doesn't provide much to GUIize yet. But maybe it'll be more useful as quicklisp progresses. 00:37:22 -!- lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:37:41 -!- jweiss__ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:08 lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has joined #lisp 00:38:21 Xach: but it works? 00:38:23 wow, neat, Xach! 00:38:49 Being able to browse the available packages without a significant context change could be nice. 00:39:11 rvirding [~chatzilla@h134n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 00:39:14 I suspect you could specialize the gray stream write-char method on the clim-quicklisp output stream to update a progress bar when it outputs a #\. while installing packages (: 00:39:15 zmv: it calls quickload when you click on a name, yeah. 00:39:54 Xach: hm, I see. 00:41:26 Xach: can you make it available or something for us to test? 00:42:04 Not yet. I'd like him to rename it first. 00:43:37 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@67-194-83-68.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 00:44:09 hm, ok. 00:46:23 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-187-75.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:46:50 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49:18 http://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/04/making-crash-bandicoot-part-3/ - brief mention of Lisp at Naughty Dog for Crash Bandicoot, perhaps more in a later entry 00:49:52 kencausey: no more in a later entry, but a very interesting story anyway. 00:49:56 *Xach* read all entries today 00:50:15 oh well :( 00:50:32 sbahra_ [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:50:50 -!- mathguru123 [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:33 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 00:57:00 Liera [~Liera@123.21.162.139] has joined #lisp 00:57:59 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:00:29 Xach: What's the name of the person who sent it to you? 01:00:37 [if you don't mind...] 01:02:11 beach: John Morrison, I believe formerly of MäK. 01:02:38 timack [~tim@hlfx59-1-4.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 01:02:47 Xach: Thanks! 01:02:50 (it's not an uncommon name, so maybe there are two lisp-ish john morrisons) 01:03:52 MäK? 01:04:07 mak.com 01:05:22 ah, good 01:05:41 *p_l|backup* has a strong reaction to the acronym MAK recently... blame politics 01:06:17 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:06:30 lol, the company is even in the same sector 01:08:32 -!- lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:09:05 Ah, I didn't realize ITA's relation to Naughty Dog, interesting 01:09:43 lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has joined #lisp 01:09:43 kencausey, the relation is mostly gone 01:10:05 Jason isn't there anymore? 01:10:57 oops s/Jason/Dave/ 01:11:07 mathguru123 [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:33 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: RaceCondition] 01:13:00 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 01:14:26 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15:33 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 01:16:33 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B1AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:18:46 kencausey: what relation is there between ITA and Naughty Dog? 01:20:44 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:14 Blkt: one guy went from ND to ITA and then somewhere else 01:22:37 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:26:24 Dave Baggett (sp?) was the first employee at Naughty Dog after the founders (friend from MIT) who had something to do with ITA. What is not clear. 01:27:40 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:11 Is this normal? (subtypep 'fake-type 'other-fake-type) => NIL, NIL. First of all, I'm not sure what the consequences of using such non-existent types are supposed to be (subtypep definition doesn't seem to tell), however (typep t 'fake-type) has undefined behavior but SBCL throws an error... So subtypep should be able to throw an error too. 01:29:24 Second, the definition for SUBTYPEP says: "subtypep is permitted to return the values false and false only when at least one argument involves one of these type specifiers: and, eql, the list form of function, member, not, or, satisfies, or values." 01:29:29 -!- prip_ [~foo@host130-128-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:29:41 "One consequence of this is that if neither type-1 nor type-2 involves any of these type specifiers, then subtypep is obliged to determine the relationship accurately." 01:29:57 So did I find an actual bug this time? ;) 01:31:20 JuniorRoy [~JuniorRoy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 01:31:50 Hexstream: Krystof can provide a lot of explanation on the topic. Enough that I don't think the behavior of subtypep in SBCL is unintentional. 01:33:23 So I'll open a bug so that subject matter experts can weight in. 01:34:32 -!- lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 01:35:50 lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has joined #lisp 01:36:08 -!- astalla [~astalla@dynamic-adsl-78-12-79-14.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 01:37:35 -!- JuniorRoy [~JuniorRoy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:37:47 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-137-167.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:07 -!- lirt [~lirt@94.50.16.248] has left #lisp 01:38:17 kencausey: thanks for that link, It gave me a lot of ideas that are rather useful today :) 01:40:02 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40:49 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:59 prip_ [~foo@host15-122-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 01:44:13 k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:48:07 -!- k04n [~k04n@cpe-76-175-192-194.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:12 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:48:24 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@h134n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 01:48:30 p_l|backup: Sure, I just wish they would talk code a bit more 01:48:38 well, a lot more ;) 01:48:44 -!- samIamIsam [~samIamIsa@wn14jp.aic.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49:13 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 01:50:33 kencausey: ah, you see, you need to imagine the code ;-) 01:50:47 Liera` [~Liera@123.20.57.245] has joined #lisp 01:53:23 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.21.162.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54:10 the precomputation stuff and coloured polygons instead of textures was *very* interesting :) 01:54:33 true 01:55:01 davazp [~user@15.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:55:02 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 01:55:10 it wasn't exactly new to me, though always interesting to here about specific applications 01:55:28 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 01:58:11 -!- zmv [~daniel@c953305f.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:59:00 true, I knew about precomputation and thought about coloured polygons, but this post had an explanation of *how* it worked in reality, not in idle speculation or textbook 02:00:15 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:52 -!- Blkt [~Blkt@dynamic-adsl-94-34-26-111.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ERROR: do not makunbound t please!] 02:01:59 afk 02:02:22 -!- Liera` is now known as Liera 02:04:06 p_l|backup: Your chat client sends "afk" after 3 minutes of inactivity. This is disconcerting... 02:04:07 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@181.sub-75-208-42.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:01 oudeis [~oudeis@181.sub-75-208-42.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 02:12:25 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 02:14:02 aponymous [U2FsdGVkX1@ugl2054cp01.engin.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 02:15:08 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 02:15:29 enderoute [~clarkeaa@adsl-99-70-116-211.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:54 if i have '(+ x 3) how do i turn that into a function? 02:16:51 (let ((expression '(+ x 3))) (coerce `(lambda (x) expression) 'function)) 02:17:01 (let ((expression '(+ x 3))) (coerce `(lambda (x) ,expression) 'function)) 02:17:03 sorry. 02:17:33 hmm ok it will take me a sec to grok it, thanks ill try it out 02:17:47 You can also use (compile nil `(lambda ...)) or (eval `(lambda ...)), each having possibly different effects on an implementation dependent basis. 02:18:52 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@181.sub-75-208-42.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:19 selva_irc [~selva@117.193.176.49] has joined #lisp 02:19:57 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20:24 enderoute: Question though: Why do you have a list in the first place? 02:20:51 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:52 genetic programming 02:21:12 its generating lists of code 02:21:20 Got it! 02:22:49 enderoute: There's very probably a better way to do what you want than COERCE or COMPILE or EVAL. Maybe a macro or even just closures. 02:23:33 Liera` [~Liera@113.172.69.130] has joined #lisp 02:23:46 Hexstream: I don't see how that would be possible if the code is generated programmatically. 02:24:45 I'm not familiar with genetic programming... But closures usually do the trick for "code that is generated programmatically". 02:25:25 basimple [~basimple@112.154.21.152] has joined #lisp 02:25:26 And it's highly efficient, unlike the more heavyweight solutions. 02:25:52 I guess it would be possible for simple cases. 02:26:01 enderoute: do you know ahead of time what variables will be in the expression? 02:26:08 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.20.57.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:26:19 yep i know the variables 02:26:54 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:10 enderoute: Then you can probably do (let ((n 3)) (lambda (x) (+ x n))). 02:29:22 beach: i dont see how you'd use that with a variable with arbitary lisp code in it 02:29:46 enderoute: Or if you have a list of values of n: (loop for n in list collect (let ((n n)) (lambda (x) (+ x n)))) 02:30:34 enderoute: That method only works if you know the form of your expression, in this case (+ x n) and n is the only parameter. For more complicated cases it won't work. 02:31:25 yea, the engine spits out a list that has anything in it, could be '(+ x 1) '(+ (+ (+ 3 2) x) x) 02:31:40 enderoute: It would be better to make the function accept a function as argument, if possible. 02:31:44 even if you don't know the shape of the expression, you can still do it with combinators 02:32:08 You can then use COERCE or COMPILE or EVAL to make a function from a raw form when necessary. 02:34:11 So most of your stuff will be functions accepting functions as arguments, and here or there for more complex cases you'll use COERCE/COMPILE/EVAL to do raw -> function. 02:34:46 leo2007 [~leo@117.28.16.94] has joined #lisp 02:35:29 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:36:03 k thanks guys, its alot to grok for me, ill try this stuff out 02:36:33 -!- basimple [~basimple@112.154.21.152] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 02:38:06 Hexstream: the output of genetic programming might be the _source_, instead of compiled closures. 02:39:05 And eventually, compiling that source should provide a more efficient function than the closures. 02:39:07 Ah. A macro would be in order then?... 02:39:33 A macro for what? Hidding compile or coerce? What would be the point? 02:40:19 Not sure. It seems more idiomatic. 02:45:28 Macros have some supporting infrastructure, for one thing. Like easy parameterization, and easy macroexpansion in SLIME, and other stuff. If you eschew it it seems to me that you'll have to replicate some of the infrastructure for nothing. 02:45:43 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has joined #lisp 02:48:08 Function calling has also some supporting infrastructure... 02:48:09 -!- illuminati1113 [~user@pool-71-114-7-169.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:37 illuminati1113 [~user@pool-71-114-7-169.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:55 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:52:00 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:52:08 Hexstream: Macros work at compile time (or rather macro-expansion time), but here we are dealing with code that is created at runtime. Aside from suggestions such at that from Fare, you still have to convert something that is pure data, generated by the progra, into code. What pjb has suggested seems appropriate. 02:53:59 Alright then, maybe it's one of those <1% of cases where this approach is the most appropriate. 02:54:06 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:10 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:54:32 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:54:33 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:21 Hexstream: Right, we usually advice against eval and such, but they exist because there are cases where they are appropriate, and I think this is one of them. 02:56:27 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx59-1-4.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:02 Which is what I just said, basically. 02:57:06 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-135-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:57:09 Indeed. 02:57:30 ... The pedagogical value of repetition, you know. 02:58:09 Anything wrong with this for enderoute's case? (let ((e '(+ x 3))) (macrolet ((unquote-lambda (expr) `(lambda (x) ,@(cdr expr)))) (unquote-lambda '(+ x 3)))) 02:58:19 sorry about the formatting 02:58:26 man, evaluating a tree of data with a recursive function vs generating the code, compiling it, and running it, seemed to take the same time for me, but the compilation is so cool 02:58:50 the generating code part is a recursive function thats basically the eval function thats why =T 02:59:57 thanks again guys 02:59:59 -!- enderoute [~clarkeaa@adsl-99-70-116-211.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: [BX] Back wit anutha one of doz BitchX-rockin' beats!] 03:00:17 Yay! SF cvs is back, at last. Sort of. 03:00:42 -!- davazp [~user@15.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:01:30 -!- ymv [~imv@94.231.123.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:48 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:01 aponymous: Where is e used? 03:02:24 Sorry about that, was supposed to be substitued in for the second '(+ x 3) 03:02:32 but actually I can't get that part to work 03:02:34 -!- selva_irc [~selva@117.193.176.49] has left #lisp 03:02:37 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 03:02:44 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-txjvjzmqmxvjeahg] has joined #lisp 03:03:09 aponymous: Because you can't, because the expression must be known at compile time, which if you replace it by e, it no longer is. 03:03:21 thanks 03:03:29 aponymous: Which is why you need to compile at runtime, which is why pjb suggested that. 03:03:42 aponymous: No problem! 03:03:55 I'm trying to learn macros now, reading LOL 03:06:01 Great! 03:07:01 ALU is Great? 03:07:24 Did I say that? 03:07:47 no, I'm freely associating 03:07:58 or subserviently associating 03:08:33 Fare: Are you on drugs? :) Not that I mind, just checking... 03:08:34 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 03:09:27 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:03 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:11:25 I fell into the magic potion when I was a little boy. The effects on me are permanent. 03:11:36 Heh! 03:11:58 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 03:12:54 Fare: doing a grep ALU 11* (in the Tunes logs), I find that ALU has been mentioned only 5 times, 03:13:39 -!- skalawag` [~user@c75-111-102-202.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16:41 cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-181-205-98.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:48 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:27 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.67.99] has joined #lisp 03:20:26 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.65.207.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:22:50 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23:34 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:52 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 03:30:21 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- whee [~whee@cpe-69-207-157-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- thom_ [~thom@pool-74-100-140-188.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- shachaf [~shachaf@208.69.183.87] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:21 -!- reb [~user@nat/google/x-gycbjkiywxogqbvd] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- zbigniew [~zb@ipv6.3e8.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- apox [apox@scorn.csh.rit.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- MichealH [~ZNC@wikipedia/MichealH] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:22 -!- rabite [~rabite@83.169.3.115] has quit [*.net *.split] 03:30:28 enderoute [~clarkeaa@99.70.116.211] has joined #lisp 03:34:22 -!- nuntius [~nuntius@pool-71-162-117-166.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:34:46 nuntius [~nuntius@pool-71-162-117-166.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:22 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-79-223.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:40 dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-79-223.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 03:41:12 is there a way to get coerce to recognize external symbols, if i coerce '(+ (safediv 1 x) 2) it will complain safediv is undefined 03:41:27 but i can run it fine from the repl 03:42:51 enderoute: Can you show us exactly what you typed that generated the complaint? 03:44:03 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:44:13 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:45:39 -!- aponymous [U2FsdGVkX1@ugl2054cp01.engin.umich.edu] has left #lisp 03:45:41 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.46] has joined #lisp 03:46:45 beach: i'm tring to reduce it to the simple case, one sec 03:46:50 -!- pnq [~nick@host-157.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:46:57 if it's more than a line, use the paste bot 03:47:10 -!- pabst [~anonymous@208.74.177.139.static.etheric.net] has quit [Quit: pabst] 03:47:59 konr [~user@barao.lab.ic.unicamp.br] has joined #lisp 03:49:05 http://screencast.com/t/r5SrVYrrFkv 03:49:53 #'safediv resolves from the repl 03:50:54 enderoute: safediv or savediv? 03:51:31 oye, sorry, safediv, thanks 03:51:39 No problem. 03:51:47 gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:52 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:53:07 -!- gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:53:22 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:57:06 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-202-238.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:57:28 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:57:28 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:57:28 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:58:48 tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:01:02 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@166.188.112.183] has quit [Quit: bye...] 04:01:06 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.171] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 whee [~whee@cpe-69-207-157-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 thom_ [~thom@pool-74-100-140-188.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 shachaf [~shachaf@208.69.183.87] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 MichealH [~ZNC@wikipedia/MichealH] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 reb [~user@nat/google/x-gycbjkiywxogqbvd] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 zbigniew [~zb@ipv6.3e8.org] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 apox [apox@scorn.csh.rit.edu] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 krl [~krl@rymdkoloni.se] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has joined #lisp 04:01:06 rabite [~rabite@83.169.3.115] has joined #lisp 04:01:08 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:03:12 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 04:06:17 Ok. matlisp converted from cvs to git. 04:06:30 1 down 04:10:03 timor [~timor@port-92-195-192-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 04:16:41 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:16:57 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16:59 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:17:17 beach, good morning 04:18:07 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:15 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.28] has joined #lisp 04:19:32 hey kushal 04:19:35 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:20:34 kushal: Still late to react, or did you accidentally put my nick into your abbrev? 04:21:16 beach, no, I knew you are the person who is up :) 04:21:25 Hmm, OK. 04:22:20 Vicfred [~Vicfred@201.102.93.119] has joined #lisp 04:24:13 -!- sbahra_ [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra_] 04:29:27 ymv [~imv@94.231.123.31] has joined #lisp 04:30:07 -!- _danb_ is now known as lol 04:30:37 -!- lol is now known as Guest87636 04:30:39 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:42 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@201.102.93.119] has quit [Quit: ] 04:36:25 guess the language: "explosion in a punctuation factory" 04:39:02 slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has joined #lisp 04:42:40 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:46:06 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:46:56 slyrus: I told Ralith he could use Opticl to read PNGs. 04:47:35 OK. it's still a little bit early, and the API will change (the make-image stuff just got some new keyword args today), but that's cool 04:48:11 Good. After I did that, I became a bit nervous! :) 04:48:41 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:27 tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:50:51 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 04:52:09 JuniorRoy [~JuniorRoy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 04:55:09 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:28 tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:55:35 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:58 tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:57:48 -!- csamuelson [~csamuelso@adsl-240-246-114.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:18 Jubb_ [~ghost@129.21.84.1] has joined #lisp 05:01:03 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02:22 pnq [~nick@AC8239B8.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 05:04:12 pabst [~anonymous@70-36-197-133.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:56 -!- Guest87636 is now known as _danb_ 05:08:24 -!- Jubb_ [~ghost@129.21.84.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08:51 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 05:09:13 slyrus: where can I *find* opticl? 05:09:25 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:09:53 https://github.com/slyrus/opticl 05:18:53 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 05:27:51 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:32:32 Liera`` [~Liera@123.20.52.93] has joined #lisp 05:34:26 slyrus: Is the declare 8-bit-rgb-image really necessary in the impatient example? I'd have thought the typecase was sufficient for SBCL. 05:35:06 -!- Liera` [~Liera@113.172.69.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:38:53 'night 05:39:04 sleepy time 05:39:09 nostoi [~nostoi@39.Red-79-156-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:14 -!- Fare [~Fare@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:49:50 Ralith: i just uploaded some bogus changes... fixing... 05:51:36 Liera` [~Liera@113.172.41.113] has joined #lisp 05:52:31 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-8-91.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 05:54:49 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:54:53 nuntius: you'd think so, but no, that doesn't seem to be the case 05:55:01 -!- Liera`` [~Liera@123.20.52.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:55:52 Ralith: ok, problem solved 05:57:41 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.154.71] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 05:58:30 -!- ymv [~imv@94.231.123.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:03 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 06:00:19 slyrus: kk 06:00:34 slyrus: what's the blocker on getting into quicklisp? 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07:31:48 I wrote an init lisp program which start swank and run the program, but I still have to detach it 07:31:58 or do people run servers in screen 07:32:00 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:32:20 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 07:33:00 galdor: Servers in screen are not uncommon. 07:33:42 galdor: I wrote a blog article about this in the last 6 months (daemonization stuff towards the bottom) here: http://redlinernotes.com/blog/?p=1232 07:34:29 galdor: In addition, if you want a pure lisp solution the RESTAS folks came up with one: http://restas.lisper.ru/en/manual/daemon.html 07:34:30 nice, gonna read it 07:38:19 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-150.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:38:41 HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-133-89.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:39:13 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:36 -!- astoon [~astoon@109.188.238.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:40:43 daniel [~daniel@p5082B3F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:14 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5B326203.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:43:42 Liera` [~Liera@113.172.36.10] has joined #lisp 07:45:14 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 07:46:17 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.20.25.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:48:26 -!- mathguru123 [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:55:10 tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:58:55 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has joined #lisp 08:01:00 -!- pabst [~anonymous@70-36-197-133.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:06:14 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:12:34 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 08:15:19 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 08:17:15 kbdvdr [~co1n@210-89-227-75.ap-w02.canvas.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:24:05 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:31:16 orivej [~orivej@wi73.fi.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 08:32:37 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:35:19 -!- orivej [~orivej@wi73.fi.pu.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:35:19 -!- JuniorRoy [~JuniorRoy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:35:39 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 08:35:42 ehu [~ehuels@109.35.170.132] has joined #lisp 08:37:28 orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 08:38:10 aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:38:15 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 08:45:56 -!- orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:47:01 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:06 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.170.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49:04 tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:49:18 lakatos [~istvan@83.166.210.157] has joined #lisp 08:49:26 Hey guys 08:49:38 Can someone help me out with SLIME? 08:50:25 I downloaded the newest CVS version and configured my .emacs 08:51:25 But now whenever I fire up SLIME it keeps telling me that swank is an older version compared to SLIME 08:51:32 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-44-168.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:52:25 lakatos: Emacs loads slime, the lisp loads swank. Do they load from the same place? 08:52:41 They should 08:52:48 c2hk [~hujvpalto@109-184-40-163.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has joined #lisp 08:52:50 and you should check 08:52:51 The thing is I first installed slime using aptget 08:52:55 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:53:03 How can I check that? 08:53:08 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-20-80.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:54:04 (asdf:system-definition-pathname :swank) 08:55:14 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: gone] 08:55:33 but in general i'd suggest not installing lisp stuff from distribution provided packages 08:56:44 ok, it worked 08:56:46 thanks 08:56:47 -!- lakatos [~istvan@83.166.210.157] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:00:18 masonium [~user@ip72-211-205-4.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:04:41 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:06:56 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:10:45 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 09:14:41 boy that WJ guy is annoying in cll 09:15:56 -!- masonium [~user@ip72-211-205-4.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17:43 He has been in my KILLFILE for a long time now. 09:17:55 Too bad people keep responding to his messages... 09:18:09 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 09:19:04 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 09:19:38 pjb: he's the first i consider killfiling after following cll for 15+ years :) 09:20:52 aerique: I have a couple more, unfortunately. 09:23:16 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:26:46 astoon [~astoon@109.188.239.56] has joined #lisp 09:30:10 tfb [~tfb@92.41.194.78.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 09:30:48 Ragnaroek [8f5df919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.143.93.249.25] has joined #lisp 09:31:25 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:40 Liera`` [~Liera@123.20.49.80] has joined #lisp 09:32:29 hello lispers 09:32:42 Hello lisper! 09:32:50 :) 09:33:51 -!- Liera` [~Liera@113.172.36.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:34:47 Liera [~Liera@123.21.171.237] has joined #lisp 09:35:29 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:39 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 09:35:52 Joreji [~thomas@90-159.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:37:16 -!- Liera`` [~Liera@123.20.49.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:39:24 We have people saying that lisp is old and old fashioned (not that this is true), then we have logos like this http://xach.livejournal.com/283871.html that can be easily mispelled :/ 09:39:41 -!- beach [~user@116.118.4.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:40:19 beach [~user@116.118.4.50] has joined #lisp 09:40:23 kiuma: what's the problem ? 09:40:56 just defunct. 09:41:26 and the tau, then 09:41:32 blinda [~blinda@77.43.6.114] has joined #lisp 09:41:43 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Franciscan_Tau.JPG 09:42:27 a sort of an hazard 09:43:34 beach` [~user@116.118.4.50] has joined #lisp 09:43:56 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:44:16 -!- beach [~user@116.118.4.50] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:44:23 -!- beach` is now known as beach 09:44:52 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 09:44:59 kiuma: i don't get it -- to you lambda is like tau? 09:46:55 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:09 kiuma: It sounds like you are embarassed to be a Lisper. 09:49:11 -!- blinda [~blinda@77.43.6.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:52:55 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-18721.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 09:53:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-150.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:53:34 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:56:01 Liera` [~Liera@113.172.56.60] has joined #lisp 09:57:07 no I'm not, I only say that the choice is ambiguous 09:57:10 jdz: given its slant on the logo, yes, it looks like a tau. 09:57:59 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58:00 a  09:58:07 ok 09:58:26 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.21.171.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:58:40 oh man i had problems here with abbrev-file not being saved, and upon restart of emacs being overwritten or so... 09:59:16 lambda and tau of course are different, but you cannot negate similarities between http://xach.livejournal.com/283871.html and http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Franciscan_Tau.JPG 10:00:06 it's subjective; to me the lambda has never looked like anything else... 10:00:32 jdz, if you want I can overlap the two images 10:00:36 :P 10:00:43 that's besides the point 10:01:10 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:01:16 The letter 't', yes -- the letter 'tau', no. 10:01:54 lakatos [~quassel@83.166.210.157] has joined #lisp 10:02:00 actually, Xach should probably turn the lambda all the way over, so that it looks like [inverted] 'y' 10:02:13 May I ask who is Xach? 10:02:20 Making the mainbar horizontal might also be interesting :) 10:02:25 somebody who made the image in question 10:02:27 lakatos: yes. 10:02:32 lakatos: type: /whois Xach 10:02:41 -!- Ragnaroek [8f5df919@gateway/web/freenode/ip.143.93.249.25] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:41 which image in question? 10:02:48 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:02:50 suppose you have it on a t-shirt and you have that logo and under you read Just defun.t, s/\./fold/ 10:03:11 lakatos, http://xach.livejournal.com/283871.html 10:03:56 nice 10:04:11 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:04:11 my guess is that Xach tried angle the lambda so that part of it looks like the Nike logo 10:04:14 would you go aroung with such a t-shirt ? 10:04:26 sure 10:04:33 :) 10:04:43 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:04:53 jdz, yes I understand, but it's unfotunate 10:05:02 *unfortunate 10:05:20 I would 10:05:30 but I think I'd use the regular lambda symbol 10:05:32 i don't see the problem; it's just a random image on the internet. c'mon, nobody except you is obsessed about it. 10:05:39 no need for angeling 10:05:49 angling? 10:06:06 (How do you write that correctly?) 10:06:24 angelenegering 10:06:44 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:52 jdz, no obsession, just a consideration, not to take on personal plan 10:07:14 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07:32 kiuma: people who don't "get" the image are not the target audience 10:07:41 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 10:07:44 mpf 10:07:57 slash_ [~unknown@pD955BC90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:15 "yes we (car)" 10:08:32 "yes we (mapcan)" 10:08:38 (car yes) -> T 10:08:40 :D 10:08:56 /t 10:09:11 right, homie 10:09:20  10:09:37 hey works good, but the space kills me... 10:09:40 lol 10:09:57 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:10:30 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-oplwpdksoqxfokhx] has joined #lisp 10:10:32 r 10:10:42 lol, I just realized what was going on here :)) "Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language" 10:11:47 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:14:07 BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:15:00 mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 10:16:13 orivej [~orivej@rk4015.ws.pu.ru] has joined #lisp 10:17:25 RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 10:17:46 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:18:06 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-txjvjzmqmxvjeahg] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:20:11 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:20:29 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 10:23:31 vedm [~vedm@84-73-157-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:24:31 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:28:34 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 10:28:39 -!- beach [~user@116.118.4.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:31 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 10:32:31 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:18 -!- vedm [~vedm@84-73-157-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 10:34:38 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:37:32 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:37:33 every single time I get an exception while running a lisp program with SLIME and hit ABORT, swank closes the connection... what gives? 10:38:25 Yes, I get the same with clisp and slime. Just have to restart slime without creating a new inferior lisp buffer to reconnect. 10:38:38 slime is deficient when dealing with clisp. 10:38:45 I see 10:39:02 I was afraid it was something that I did :) 10:39:12 Hopefully, when the threads in clisp go production, slime should be able to do better. 10:40:25 the thing is that I make lots of mistakes, and find it annoying to constantly restart slime 10:40:49 When I'm debugging, I switch to plain inferior-lisp and disable slime. 10:40:54 So with sbcl I won't have any problems then, right? 10:41:11 I think so. 10:41:31 But as an alternate implementation I prefer ccl than sbcl. 10:41:55 ccl? 10:42:04 clozure cl. 10:42:20 http://ccl.clozure.com/download.html 10:42:23 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:42:41 JuniorRoy [~JuniorRoy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 10:42:55 it it faster than sbcl? 10:43:12 It's hard to say. 10:43:19 Depends on your program and your development phase. 10:43:46 I'd say that while developping, clisp is faster, then ccl, then sbcl. The sbcl compiler takes more time to produce faster executables. 10:44:25 I think I'll try out CCL then 10:45:11 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 10:47:05 is CLOS implemented in CCL? 10:47:09 beach [~user@116.118.4.50] has joined #lisp 10:47:16 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:47:55 Yes. 10:48:25 Only implementations in development don't have CLOS yet (eg. 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AndroUser2 [~androirc@32.171.145.144] has joined #lisp 13:54:21 Ralith: can you give me more information on the erorr? 13:54:22 -!- AndroUser2 [~androirc@32.171.145.144] has quit [Client Quit] 13:54:35 do you have the dependencies satisfied? 13:54:47 morning folks 13:54:50 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.154.71] has quit [Client Quit] 13:54:57 AndroUser2 [~androirc@32.171.145.144] has joined #lisp 13:54:59 hi slyrus 14:04:04 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 14:09:22 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 14:09:39 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:10:13 Is there a way to get a string containing the name and version of the lisp implementation? and ideally also the date and time at which the program was compiled? 14:10:39 (lisp-implementation-type) and (lisp-implementation-version) 14:10:49 No standard way to get the date and time of the implementation 14:10:53 Thanks! 14:10:59 the format of those two functions is not strictly specified 14:11:11 you might get something with a lot of text or not a lot of text 14:13:20 They seem to give very sensible results on Clisp and SBCL at least 14:16:07 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:16:33 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.84.232] has joined #lisp 14:17:38 -!- astoon [~astoon@109.188.235.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 14:17:50 -!- oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:18:29 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:36 MoALTz [~no@92.2.82.175] has joined #lisp 14:24:48 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:25:02 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 14:26:41 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:28:10 dmytrish [~dmytrish@193.239.152.189] has joined #lisp 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15:42:39 slyrus: what are you working on? 15:42:44 (besides affine transformations) 15:42:48 opticl 15:42:57 What's that? 15:43:12 https://github.com/slyrus/opticl 15:43:28 the successor to ch-image (and imago?) 15:43:36 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 15:43:39 an image library done more betterly 15:44:35 slyrus: regarding quicklisp, you could note that there are three steps: check out opticl, add its path to your asdf registry, *then* use quickload. 15:44:40 cpc26 [~cpc26@66.87.4.53] has joined #lisp 15:46:12 oh, that's a good idea, thanks 15:46:26 and it's certainly not quicklisp-ready 15:47:10 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 15:47:23 the PDF reference manual has some information about affine transforms of 2d bitmap data. dunno if it's detailed enough to be useful to you, though. 15:47:52 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:48:18 KindOne [~lol@unaffiliated/kindone] has joined #lisp 15:48:34 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gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52:09 Probably depends on how desperate lisp programmers get. 15:52:20 Xach: I can buy that for only 380.00 CHF? awesome! 15:52:58 -!- basimple [~basimple@112.154.21.152] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:53:39 -!- astoon [~astoon@94.25.199.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:54:05 slyrus: It's a free download from Adobe. 15:54:45 http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf/pdf_reference.html has the link 15:54:48 astoon [~astoon@94.25.199.145] has joined #lisp 15:55:12 yeah, I found it... first I clicked on the ISO spec link though. 15:55:17 mega1_ [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 15:55:18 -!- mega1_ [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:25 *Xach* has the physical book, which is very pretty also 15:56:35 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:22 -!- dfkjjkfd 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17:02:28 slyrus: that's nice. i'm thinking, if it plays well with foreign functions, it should be an efficient way not only to interface with imaging applications, but also to generate/manipulate bitmaps/textures for drawing systems (opengl, directx, gdi, etc.) 17:03:25 pmd: yes, that's part of the idea, although the reality is that other imaging applications may have their own notions of how the data is organized. but at least this should facilitate efficient transformation to/from that representation 17:03:50 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 17:04:41 it would be nice if things like vecto could sit on top of opticl 17:07:06 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-189-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:43 slyrus: so, if you need special purpose VOPs for x86 or x86-64 to make it really sing, i'll be happy to help 17:08:55 ooh! that sounds nice. I'm not sure I do yet, but I like the idea! 17:09:20 i bet SSE2 can be of use with 2d stuff too 17:09:23 -!- samIamIsam [~samIamIsa@wn14jp.aic.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [] 17:09:47 I need to work out the underlying API and math more fully before I try to optimize it 17:09:55 fair enough 17:10:10 at least the fundamental pixel/(setf pixel) stuff seems pretty efficient -- that was the first goal 17:11:00 I was never really happy with the way I did matrix element access in CLEM. thanks to some help from beach, xof, etc... and sb-cltl2, I think opticl has a clean interface and good performance. 17:11:45 jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 17:13:38 <|3b|> nikodemus: that reminds me, i added minimal support for a few more lisps to my sb-cga fork a while back 17:14:15 cool, i'll check it out 17:14:48 <|3b|> i think most of them passed tests comparably to sbcl, though most disagreed about the results of the one test sbcl fails 17:14:51 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 17:16:29 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 17:16:30 <|3b|> clisp actively rejects NaN support, so uses NIL instead, not sure if that affects anything or not 17:17:22 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@48.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 17:18:33 lirt [~lirt@88.205.169.46] has joined #lisp 17:22:40 -!- wubo_ [80f40907@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.244.9.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:23:52 corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has joined #lisp 17:24:25 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-90-111.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 17:24:31 -!- lispmeister_ [u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivieiabfnnmhwjov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:31 -!- fmu__ [u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfcyykdqbqfovrxe] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:31 -!- euphidime [u178@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-swoowlyawfarnsln] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:31 -!- quasi_ [u404@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-silycsgcdsodrmjo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:31 -!- TeMPOraL [u463@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gsjehoovakfdanjs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:26:27 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@cs78144055.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: RaceCondition] 17:26:51 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:30:02 -!- 92AACER9N [~JuniorRoy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:33 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:53 guaqua [gua@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 17:35:12 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:39 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:37:42 o happy day! is sourceforge back? 17:37:50 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755c0d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:53 *Xach* does the Joy Jig 17:40:54 Jubb [~ghost@129.21.87.110] has joined #lisp 17:41:21 however...commonqt repo down? 17:41:25 *Xach* checks gitorious website 17:41:28 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:27 -!- ZabaQ1 is now known as ZabaQ 17:43:00 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-189-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:43:43 corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has joined #lisp 17:44:27 _8david`: are you able to check out commonqt or conium from gitorious? 17:46:12 bah, sourceforge comes back, gitorious goes away. the law of conservation of misery wins again. 17:47:13 <_8david`> git fetch WFM 17:47:18 nekthuth down, hexapodia down...it's madness! 17:47:19 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.194.78.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 17:47:27 <_8david`> not that there would be anything new to fetch 17:47:36 _8david`: Do you use ssh? Or do you use git://? 17:48:04 git clone git://gitorious.org/commonqt/commonqt.git gives me: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly 17:48:39 emoon_ [~emoon@212.107.139.12] has joined #lisp 17:48:48 <_8david`> I had been using ssh, but git:// also works fine. 17:49:09 Ok, I think I see the error of my ways and how to make pixel coordinates, spatial coordinates and affine transformations all play nice together. 17:49:22 mgr_ [~mgr@mail.phinn.de] has joined #lisp 17:49:28 _8david`: Darn! I wonder what's happening for me. 17:50:07 <_8david`> mtr to the rescue! (well, diagnosis at least) 17:50:24 nuba_ [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:41 ignas_ [~ignas@85-206-22-190.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 17:50:53 reachability is no problem. 17:51:32 -!- Ragnaroek [5b0c670a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.103.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:51:33 -!- _2x2l [~andrew@209.20.83.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:33 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.67.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:51:34 -!- emoon [~emoon@212-107-139-12.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:34 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.147.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:51:34 -!- ignas [~ignas@85-206-22-190.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:35 -!- mgr [~mgr@mail.phinn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:51:35 kraison [~kraison@70.90.182.149] has joined #lisp 17:51:35 -!- kraison [~kraison@70.90.182.149] has left #lisp 17:51:35 _2x2l [~andrew@209.20.83.196] has joined #lisp 17:51:35 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.147.92] has joined #lisp 17:51:36 -!- yahooooo [~yahooooo@184.72.7.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:36 -!- nuba [~nuba@64.150.190.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:36 yahooooo [~yahooooo@184.72.7.126] has joined #lisp 17:51:36 Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 17:51:37 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:37 fmu__ [~u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysoaxkpolkoakomz] has joined #lisp 17:51:45 -!- fmu__ [~u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ysoaxkpolkoakomz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:09 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:52:10 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:52:19 <_8david`> Xach: in particular, it works for me on common-lisp.net with /usr/local/bin/git. 17:53:09 -!- mathrick is now known as testhrick 17:53:12 -!- testhrick is now known as mathrick 17:53:13 -!- lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:53:21 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has joined #lisp 17:53:39 urandom__ [~user@p548A7880.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:59 Kruppe [~user@CPE00222d128ba2-CM00222d128b9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:06 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:54:50 _8david`: ok, thanks. it looks like i can clone from my colo server in california, too. 17:55:19 Ahh, and now it works locally. 17:55:25 *Xach* imagines it was a short-term outage 17:56:03 pnq [~nick@AC820E64.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:56:31 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.67.99] has joined #lisp 17:57:54 -!- Jubb [~ghost@129.21.87.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:11 Xach: no. for the last few days gitorious's git server has been rather faulty 18:00:29 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:04 I keep a few mirrors on repo.or.cz and I've been receiving constant notices that sync has failed 18:02:12 How to send stuff sent to *standard-output* to something like /dev/null ? 18:02:41 -!- Liera [~Liera@123.20.29.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:17 <|3b|> gko: bind it to (make-broadcast-stream) 18:05:11 |3b|: cool, thanks! 18:05:44 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 18:05:44 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 18:05:44 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:07:51 fe[nl]ix: is the gitorious cffi repo set up to mirror automatically too? 18:07:55 Ragnaroek [5b0c670a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.103.10] has joined #lisp 18:08:03 fmu__ [~u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etmxwuketnremubm] has joined #lisp 18:09:09 -!- jesusito [~user@58.pool85-49-45.dynamic.orange.es] has left #lisp 18:09:14 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-91-151.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 18:09:35 -!- hugod_ [~hugod@76.66.181.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:29 hugod_ [~hugod@76.66.181.126] has joined #lisp 18:12:33 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:39 Xach: Nekthuth down? 18:13:09 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has joined #lisp 18:13:44 lispmeister_ [~u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-erftkaibyhztktou] has joined #lisp 18:14:08 HerbieB: moments ago i could not resolve the hostname. now it appears the release i was referencing has been removed in favor of a new one. 18:14:27 Xach: Yeah, sorry about that. I accidentally overwrote that one and didn't ahve a backup 18:14:37 I have a backup! 18:14:38 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-15-132.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:15:05 Ooo, that would be nice, I blew away the tag as well in my goof 18:15:13 Can you just email it to frank@kank.net? 18:16:01 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-161-64-51.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:21 http://xach.com/tmp/nekthuth_0.3.3.tar.gz has a copy 18:16:22 Hello all. 18:16:23 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:29 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:16:44 don't have the .asc, sorry. md5sum is identical to a version i fetched a few weeks ago. 18:16:57 I can recreate the rest. 18:18:02 quasi_ [~u404@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hvjoqtlsoulyodky] has joined #lisp 18:18:14 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 18:18:25 ... no lisppaste, no specbot? 18:18:31 minion: Are you, at least, okay? 18:18:33 yes 18:18:35 Good. 18:19:15 -!- gnooth [~gnooth@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19:52 -!- hugod_ [~hugod@76.66.181.126] has quit [Quit: hugod_] 18:20:10 gnooth [~gnooth@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:31 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:13 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:14 -!- _2x2l [~andrew@209.20.83.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:21:39 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:21:41 -!- TDT [~user@74.115.254.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:45 TDT` [~user@74.115.254.25] has joined #lisp 18:21:56 _2x2l [~andrew@209.20.83.196] has joined #lisp 18:21:56 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has joined #lisp 18:22:10 milkpost_ [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff97df.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 18:24:06 Xach: Awesome, it's back up, thanks 18:24:51 *Xach* will pull 0.3.4 for the new quicklisp update 18:25:44 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dpmlh059.divms.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:29:22 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 18:30:59 Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:23 RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:32:35 hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:58 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755c0d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:18 -!- dmytrish [~dmytrish@193.239.152.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:19 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:09 cheez [~Adium@206-248-177-146.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:06 Dear lispers, I've been annoyed by wanting unbuffered (read-char) calls before so I hacked this up. It's small and (probably) useless/dumb but I'd be interested in thoughts on code, naming, what's needed, etc. http://paste.lisp.org/display/119586/ 18:38:06 -!- quasi_ [~u404@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hvjoqtlsoulyodky] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:38:08 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:39 redline6561: I like the TODO 18:40:13 Xach: Thanks. 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;) 20:08:09 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 20:10:43 slyrus: what more do you want to know? 20:11:37 bots have no souls, we can torture them all we like! 20:12:02 Do it via private messages. 20:12:23 brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:12:24 It's not torture only for the bot 20:12:29 after all, what could possibly go wrong with oppressing highly advanced and intelligent beings who control all aspects of modern society 20:13:58 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 20:14:29 luis: no 20:15:52 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:01 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:16:05 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 20:17:45 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:20:15 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:31 -!- brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has left #lisp 20:24:03 -!- lispmeister_ [~u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-erftkaibyhztktou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:24:12 -!- fmu__ [~u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etmxwuketnremubm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:30:58 RaceCondition [~erik@dsl-hkibrasgw4-fe5ddc00-120.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:32:31 -!- Landr [~vser@78-22-154-231.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:53 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:05 brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:34:48 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff97df.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:35:14 -!- jdz [~jdz@host63-107-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:35:15 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955BC90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:37:54 -!- brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:56 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-90-111.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:38:37 fmu__ [~u89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgnftdcjubxbcqxf] has joined #lisp 20:39:05 pers [~user@174-24-52-78.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:48 -!- pankajm [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:40:12 pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.121.191] has joined #lisp 20:41:16 lispmeister_ [u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxazyrbeuyoxttzv] has joined #lisp 20:43:34 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:48:46 museun [~what@c-98-252-140-73.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:24 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.195.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:08 |nix| [~user@66-194-253-20.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:13 <|nix|> hi all 20:52:12 <|nix|> are there any Visualization libs in CL 20:52:13 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:29 Adlai [~adlai@46-116-115-68.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 20:53:57 |nix|: I can't think of anything specific that makes the job easy. 20:54:02 -!- lispmeister_ [u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxazyrbeuyoxttzv] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:54:28 aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 20:54:45 Isn't there a way to query for all available declarations including the built-in ones like OPTIMIZE, SPEED, etc. Plus those declared with (declaim (declaration my-declaration))? I want to be able to look at a (declare (foo x)) form and tell if it's equivalent to (declare (type foo x)) or if foo is a declaration type. 20:54:45 Hexstream, memo from p_l|backup: It wasn't my chat client, it was me myself, and it was because I had to go somewhere. 20:54:46 lispmeister_ [u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dznnvysbgrbcrera] has joined #lisp 20:55:46 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.94.22] has joined #lisp 20:55:53 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:55:54 minion: Memo for p_l|backup: Oh, haha, sorry, I saw that there was an interval of about exactly 3 minutes and inferred that it was some chat client feature. 20:55:54 Remembered. I'll tell p_l|backup when he/she/it next speaks. 20:56:17 -!- Adlai [~adlai@46-116-115-68.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Changing host] 20:56:17 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 20:56:40 heh 20:57:02 Hum. Minion double fail. 20:57:13 nope 20:57:21 I cleared the memo 20:57:28 Oh. 20:57:32 no need to make it repeat itself, neh? 20:57:54 antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/x-xapeqlszjjaksgzq] has joined #lisp 20:59:10 Seems to me minion should say: "Actually he's already here. I'll tell him when he/she/it next speaks unless you clear the memo with appropriate_command." 20:59:31 Hexstream: except minion couldn't know it 20:59:48 -!- lispmeister_ [u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dznnvysbgrbcrera] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:59:52 Uh? Why not? It doesn't keep track of users in the room? 21:00:18 Hexstream: tracking wouldn't give it enough information 21:00:39 lispmeister_ [u272@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvhyuyggmeastfrq] has joined #lisp 21:00:46 cause /away status is not reliable enough 21:00:59 I'm not talking on relying on that... 21:02:03 If I'm able to verify that someone is connected to the channel before registering a memo, minion can do that too. 21:02:14 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:37 Hexstream: except that my nick stays connected to the channel nearly 247 21:02:41 *24/7 21:02:58 -!- cheez [~Adium@206-248-177-146.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:10 Whatever. I'd still just try a PM. 21:03:19 I mean, directed message. 21:04:19 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:05:08 So, what's a reliable way to detect if (declare (foo x)) is a foo declaration or a type declaration?? 21:06:35 As a related question, is there any way to detect if something is a valid type designator? 21:08:56 depends on what you mean with valid 21:09:09 there's something in the parse-declarations library you might want to steal 21:09:23 and to the first question: there's no clhs-portable way 21:12:16 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE00222d128ba2-CM00222d128b9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:13:35 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-91-151.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 21:13:49 tcr1: Thanks, I'll have a look at parse-declarations. 21:14:17 Hexstream: only certain built-in types can be declared without an explicit TYPE declaration 21:14:32 NihilistDandy [~ND@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:32 (I think) 21:14:40 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.94.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:14:52 Kruppe [~user@134.117.254.250] has joined #lisp 21:14:53 dlowe: Well, that would significantly reduce parsing headhaches! 21:15:13 I think (declare (fixnum i)) will work, but (declare (foo i)) won't 21:15:29 you have to use (declare (type foo i)) 21:15:36 dlowe: Nope 21:15:43 I think you're wrong :-) 21:16:28 you are 21:16:32 er, you're right 21:16:36 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_cca.htm 21:16:41 so never mind all that 21:17:15 GreyHatLispHacke [~LilScheme@static-71-187-28-150.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:29 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:45 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18:17 I vaugely remember that some implementations do not always properly handle the non-"type" variation for non-standard types. 21:18:32 drdo` [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 21:20:22 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:21:10 I'm confirmed in my dislike of this feature ;P 21:22:00 yea, it seems like the kind of backwards-compatibility wart that should've been deprecated and removed 10 years ago. :) 21:22:02 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 21:22:30 more than 10 years now (: 21:24:26 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:12 Good morning everyone! 21:26:03 so, does it say anywhere what happens if a symbol is both a declaration identifier and a type? :) 21:26:15 foom: Yes, it's explicitly disallowed. 21:28:17 From Declaration TYPE: "A symbol cannot be both the name of a type and the name of a declaration. Defining a symbol as the name of a class, structure, condition, or type, when the symbol has been declared as a declaration name, or vice versa, signals an error. " 21:28:42 that's a rather strange place to put that sentence 21:28:59 since it has nothing at all to do with declaration type 21:29:11 but instead the creation of types and the creation of declarations 21:29:27 theratking862 [~Charlie_H@pool-173-48-130-251.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 21:30:26 Well, if this weird feature of Declaration TYPE didn't exist, then types and declarations would be in completely separate namespaces it seems to me. 21:31:03 well, it's a feature of the 3.3.3.1 Shorthand notation for Type 21:31:06 they could've put it there. :) 21:31:09 -!- gz_ [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 21:31:38 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:52 -!- theratking862 [~Charlie_H@pool-173-48-130-251.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 21:31:52 -!- tobetchi [~tobetchi@p923e46.sagant01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:01 They could have put it in both places, yeah. So, when's the next Common Lisp and how will it be called? Commoner Lisp? 21:32:37 cheez [~Adium@206-248-177-146.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:42 Common Lisp 3000 21:33:05 We'd be due for a new standard right about now, right? 21:33:14 -!- jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33:34 snarc 21:33:47 Common Lisp 2.0? 21:33:54 At least, that's the thin veneer I'm putting over CL 21:34:03 Much like another similarly named language :p 21:34:42 hugod_ [~hugod@76.66.181.126] has joined #lisp 21:35:32 xristos [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fe47:788] has joined #lisp 21:35:49 -!- xristos is now known as Guest32595 21:38:17 -!- Guest32595 is now known as xristos` 21:39:48 -!- xristos` is now known as xristos 21:43:13 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:43:57 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:01 -!- kloeri_ is now known as kloeri 21:46:17 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.87.195] has joined #lisp 21:48:26 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 21:48:50 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:26 milkpost [~milkpost@dpmlh059.divms.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 21:51:14 francogrex [~user@109.130.27.31] has joined #lisp 21:52:55 milkpost_ [~milkpost@dpmlh059.divms.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 21:54:36 dcurtis [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 21:54:55 -!- Ragnaroek [5b0c670a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.103.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:55:22 -!- dcurtis [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 21:55:42 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dpmlh059.divms.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:55:51 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 21:56:17 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:57:43 Hum. The page for MACRO-FUNCTION states: "It is possible for both macro-function and special-operator-p to return true of symbol. The macro definition must be available for use by programs that understand only the standard Common Lisp special forms." What could that second sentence possibly mean?... If the programs understands the special forms, then there's no need to macroexpand them... 21:57:57 program* 21:58:22 -!- milkpost_ [~milkpost@dpmlh059.divms.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:58:43 you can have nonstandard special forms 21:59:01 slyrus: you there? 21:59:37 slyrus: found an ASDF missing dep error in the backtrace; hard to work out wtf is going on because something has a print-method that outputs nothing 21:59:45 foom: Uhhhhh?? They say everywhere that the set of special operators is fixed in Common Lisp... 21:59:55 -!- pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.121.191] has left #lisp 22:00:19 Ohhhhhhh. You mean implementation-defined special forms. 22:00:47 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:05 slyrus: finding and installing the deps manually. 22:02:46 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 22:03:17 that worked 22:03:55 hm 22:03:56 not quite 22:03:58 The symbol "TIFF-IMAGE-BITS-PER-SAMPLE" is not external in the RETROSPECTIFF package. 22:04:23 ::'d that and it worked 22:04:33 Actually, I'm not sure implementation-defined special forms are permitted. They say the set of special operators is fixed in Common Lisp and I can't seem to find a place where they mention the possibility of implementation-defined special forms. It seems like it would foil many code walking schemes... 22:06:11 That second mysterious sentence would make perfect sense in the context where implementation-defined special forms are allowed, however. 22:06:40 But if it can be expanded as a macro, I'm not sure why you'd make it a special operator. 22:08:14 mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 22:09:29 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:12:44 As an "optimization", of course! 22:12:47 Oh. From section 3.1.2.1.2.2, Macro Forms : "An implementation is free to implement any macro operator as a special operator, but only if an equivalent definition of the macro is also provided. " 22:13:12 Right. 22:14:17 Ok, but I don't understand the value of declaring the macro a special form just because it's optimized specially... After all, in a good implementation most everything will be optimized. 22:15:44 think of an interpreter 22:15:44 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:39 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 22:16:42 or think of handler-bind which an implementation might not want to expand away totally so it can reason about it later on 22:17:15 e.g. to turn a lexically signal into a goto to the appropriate place (s/handler-bind/handler-case/) 22:19:21 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@58.230.108.42] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:14 -!- aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:20:48 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-90-111.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 22:21:58 timack [~tim@hlfx58-2a-209.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 22:23:41 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.27.31] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:24 Another example would be loops. It is nontrivial (but possible) for the compiler to determine that it is a loop after it has been turned into tagbody+goto. 22:25:38 -!- antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/x-xapeqlszjjaksgzq] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:44 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2659.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:25:46 slyrus: hm, I'm trying to get statistics on the colors in an image ( http://img.movoda.net/5x2ki8jf.png ), and this is telling me that more than 3/4 of the image is black. 22:25:48 rvirding [~chatzilla@h134n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 22:26:00 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:26:14 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-90-111.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:27:16 emef0 [~user@wlan087-049.wlan.wwu.edu] has joined #lisp 22:28:04 does anyone know a good method of reading word-by-word from a stream? 22:28:25 hm, nevermind 22:28:28 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:00 emef0: Loop until you find whitespace. 22:29:18 ... word-by-word as in (unsigned-byte 16) quantities, or as in whitespace-separated collections of non-whitespace elements? 22:29:40 nyef: the latter 22:29:42 (Or (unsigned-byte 32), on some architectures...) 22:29:52 Yeah, beach has the right of it. 22:30:25 clhs read-char 22:30:25 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_cha.htm 22:30:26 *beach* thinks the next remarks is going to be "... but is there nothing already built-in?" 22:30:31 that's not problem, just wondering if someone else had already written it 22:30:40 silenius [~silenus@p4FC2283D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:43 *beach* was wrong 22:30:52 "Someone else" has already written "everything". 22:30:57 mathguru123 [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:09 Hexstream: easily accessible to me* :) 22:31:09 "before you were even born" 22:31:20 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-191-161-175.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 22:31:30 Yeah. More specifically, usually "in the 60s." 22:31:37 beach: yeah well i have the docs open, thought there might be a robust stream reading package out there 22:31:38 benny [~benny@i577A1B1D.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 22:31:38 emef0: It is one of those things where it would take you longer to find it than to write it. 22:32:05 beach: i know...just being lazy :) 22:32:34 The wrong kind of lazy that results in more work... 22:32:35 emef0: And there will be minor variations between solutions such as the definition of a "word". 22:32:48 Word. 22:35:02 lirt [~lirt@88.205.186.187] has joined #lisp 22:35:06 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-165-143.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:35:55 And then there's the lovely possibility of a parser that treats punctuation as being separate words in and of themselves, unless they're constituents in another word, returning the set of possible sequences of words for various input... 22:36:32 -!- js0000 [~js@67.208.188.68] has quit [Quit: weekend!] 22:36:35 nyef: Nah, who would do such a nasty thing? 22:37:12 Someone hacking on a natural-language grammar system for a text editor? 22:37:14 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A7880.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:37:20 nyef: I'm doing document classification using naiive bayes' and I hadn't decided what to do with punctuation yet anyway :P 22:37:49 emef0: That means you're going to have to revisit your separation-to-words thing later anyway. 22:38:18 sabalaba [~sabalaba@adsl-99-40-250-97.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:32 nyef: True, right now I'm working on building a hash table of word frequency 22:38:42 frequencies* 22:40:39 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:41:01 -!- rins [~user@173-162-214-174-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:02 Jubb [~ghost@129.21.87.110] has joined #lisp 22:42:21 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has quit [] 22:47:55 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:25 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 22:48:56 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:50:18 ale` [~user@109.255.54.142] has joined #lisp 22:52:28 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:54:07 hi, I'm trying to implement (part of) the xembed specification with clx. In the spec they set the field data[0] to x_time. However, I didn't find anything comparable to x_time in clx. Am I missing anything? 22:55:19 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:32 milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 22:57:10 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ffc5af.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:59:02 Yo Lips Folks. 22:59:21 hello pers 22:59:26 ale`: What is x_time in C, then? 22:59:36 (And where else might it be used?) 22:59:42 ale`: Is that the timestamp of the event? 22:59:43 Does anyone, perchance, use lisp as their main shell or have any interaction between the shell and a running lisp? 22:59:52 francogrex [~user@109.130.27.31] has joined #lisp 23:00:31 nyef: I guess I would put CurrentTime in C. beach: yes, it's the timestamp. 23:00:31 pers: I sometimes use http requests from the shell to tell a Lisp webserver what to do. 23:01:25 compmstr [~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:26 ... I see a timestamp type being used in a few places, and there's a line ((or null card32) time) repeated a few times in input.lisp. 23:01:58 And there's a hit in shape.lisp for a timestamp and likewise in xvidmode.lisp. 23:02:11 Is there a way to turn off the printing of return values in the repl? 23:02:24 compmstr: it wouldn't really be a repl any more in that case. (no) 23:02:25 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-192-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:30 compmstr: why might you want to do that? 23:02:40 Perhaps one of these is similar to what you're trying to accomplish? 23:03:00 Xach: I'm loading a 14 MB binary file, and it makes the interpreter use up 3 GB of memory to print that out. 23:03:29 Xach: When I run it from a script (it doesn't print the return), it uses a sane amount of memory 23:03:30 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-180-226.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:35 compmstr: you could use (progn (load-big-thing ...) nil) 23:03:36 (progn (readwhatever) nil) 23:03:46 Ah, ok 23:03:48 Thank you :) 23:04:01 Or even (progn (readwhatever) (values)), or (prog1 nil (readwhatever))... 23:04:21 Hi, i have a "theoretical" question: if one uses a only standard ansi-cl (so no external bells and whistles like FFIs, sockets... nothing) can one still be able to build rather 'sophisticated' libraries like cffi, or clpython etc...? 23:04:25 ... (funcall (constantly nil) (readwhatever))... 23:05:09 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:05:11 nyef: I found nil = CurrentTime in some file finally 23:05:11 (defparameter *thing* (load-big-thing ...)) 23:05:21 francogrex: Not having an FFI ruins CFFI, I'm not sure what clpython does, et cetera. 23:06:02 francogrex: You can do a lot of fun and interesting things without such extensions, but it'd suck for I/O, particularly UI. 23:06:47 ale`: So, xembed, huh? 23:06:58 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-244-138.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:59 nyef: The CLX event handler seems to take a :time keyword argument. 23:07:24 ale`: Can I interest you in making xinput work as well? :-D 23:07:31 nyef: yeah, I want to try to add a tray to stumpwm 23:07:47 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-189-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:54 ale`: While I can't find it in the CLX documentation, it seems like the CLX event handler is called with a :time keyword argument. 23:07:57 ... or xkb? 23:08:18 Ralith: i might need to push a new retrospectiff... do you have a code snippet for the image statistics problem? 23:08:44 At some point, I'd like to spend the time to update the CLX manual a bit. Cut down on the "undocumented" section, for example. 23:09:00 nyef: That would be absolutely fantastic! 23:09:27 nyef: but can't one with ansi-cl only still be able build something like I/O support/interface and the on top of those libs like FFI etc... (albeit with more diffuculty)? or not at all? 23:09:44 nyef: well, if I can get enough time, and I get a better understanding of X.. It would be interesting :-) 23:10:35 I mean on top of the hardly build (cl only) IO support, then build other complex libs? 23:12:22 francogrex: CL I/O support is limited to a couple of user-facing streams, and disk files. 23:12:42 ale`: To see the use of the timestamp, check out event-handler in port.lisp in the CLX backend of McCLIM. 23:12:47 Xach: That is interesting. Since I'm running under stumpwm, I've set up my shell to be able to talk to this running lisp and thus greatly enabled my shell by having it able to call arbitrary lisp functions and print the outputs. 23:12:55 ok, so there is not getting around tinkering with C and assembly then :( 23:13:02 urandom__ [~user@p548A4508.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:11 Xach: Basically REPL at the bash prompt. 23:13:32 francogrex: Now, as soon as you have sockets, which are a common extension, you can use the X wire protocol to do something interesting on the UI. 23:13:52 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 23:13:54 beach: going to take a look at it, thanks :-) 23:14:14 ale`: Sure. It's the best I can do at the moment. 23:14:56 But for cl-only stuff, it's all MIPS and no I/O... So, natural-language processing, quantum chemistry calculations, symbolic algebra, et cetera. 23:15:18 nyef: I/O via streams! 23:15:31 antifuchs: Right, but you have *terminal-io* and files, and that's it. 23:16:11 true. pure batch processing (: 23:16:20 -!- rwallace [~rwallace@79.97.142.152] has left #lisp 23:16:46 (seems so wrong for an interactive language (-:) 23:17:36 slyrus: not sure what happened there; I stopped disregarding alpha and the problem went away. 23:19:19 vser [~vser@78-22-154-231.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 23:19:39 -!- vser is now known as Landr 23:19:50 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@210-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 23:24:53 -!- csamuelson [~csamuelso@173-14-110-121-nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:58 I'd say that the systems CL was running on at the time were different enough that it wasn't exactly easy to consolidate more advanced I/O... 23:25:13 kraison [~kraison@70.90.182.149] has joined #lisp 23:26:28 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:00 -!- kraison [~kraison@70.90.182.149] has left #lisp 23:28:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 23:29:42 -!- compmstr [~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:30:17 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 23:33:52 gonzojive_ [~red@171.66.85.30] has joined #lisp 23:33:56 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-133-89.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:24 rien [~rien@dyn-160-39-34-114.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 23:35:00 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 23:35:54 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@96.246.167.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:37:41 -!- mathguru123 [~mathguru1@c-24-11-171-16.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:40:25 ok let me see if I get this right: so a minimum requirement from an implementation to have a 'potential' full-blown capacity to build the most sophisticated sofware that can exist, is ansi-cl + sockets (like what would you take with you if you're gonna be stranded on a deserted island). 23:40:51 <|3b|> ffi would be better than sockets 23:41:10 Yeah, FFI before sockets. You can build sockets over FFI, but not the other. 23:41:12 <|3b|> since you can get sockets through ffi but ffi through sockets would be pretty slow 23:41:34 -!- Technicus [~Technicus@DSLPool-net209-116.wctc.net] has quit [Quit: Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is.] 23:42:19 ok, well that's not bad I guess 23:42:24 <|3b|> keep in mind that C isn't any better, it is just more likely to be able to have useful libs it can link to natively 23:43:05 <|3b|> (which probably depend on either asm or implementation specifics, just like CL would) 23:44:26 |3b|: yes ok, I don't want to add already existing libs into the equation, I'm talking about the minimum base from which all things are built from scratch... 23:46:23 <|3b|> well, i guess actually you don't need ffi... just build a compiler, compile some code, then tell the user to run it :p 23:46:37 C actually ends up depending on ASM to do proper calling conventions to code that implements advanced I/O ;P 23:47:56 -!- Jubb [~ghost@129.21.87.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:01 I am the user :) 23:48:51 <|3b|> i mean the code has to tell the user, since it can't run external code on its own 23:49:58 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 23:53:45 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.2.82.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:54:20 twopoint718 [~chris@ppp-70-226-171-28.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:13 -!- lirt [~lirt@88.205.186.187] has left #lisp 23:56:27 MoALTz [~no@92.11.10.82] has joined #lisp 23:57:00 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:57:24 ok. goodnight all; getting late here. 23:57:29 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.27.31] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:57:34 -!- emef0 [~user@wlan087-049.wlan.wwu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]