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It is really bad to debug the macros. 02:47:17 oconnore [~eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:25 Happy fscking New Year! 02:49:47 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:42 bobzhangatthu: you're just not used to it yet. 02:51:22 lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 02:58:45 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 03:01:17 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-43-174.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:01:55 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-97-45.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:02:20 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:08:15 -!- bigjust_` [~bigjust@justin.caratzas.org] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 03:09:02 bigjust_ [~bigjust@justin.caratzas.org] has joined #lisp 03:09:10 -!- bigjust_ is now known as bigjust 03:13:22 espadrine_ 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(click on the link) 12:27:34 &key is part of the lambda list for DIRECTORY. 12:27:47 it is a language element. 12:27:54 see lamda lists 12:28:17 Guthur [~Guthur@host86-152-185-33.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:28:23 prip [~foo@host64-135-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:28:40 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_d.htm 12:28:47 just "&key" here means that directory can have implementation-dependent keywords 12:29:04 DIRECTORY has an ordinary lambda list. 12:32:59 *stassats* learns about LAMBDA-LIST-KEYWORDS 12:35:40 The spec is kind of rocket science to me ^^; 12:36:02 phryk: maybe you need a different source to learn from? 12:36:06 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Quit: DarthShrine] 12:36:39 Successful Lisp! 12:36:44 ehu: I am reading practical lisp. 12:37:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-67.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 12:37:54 -!- jhuni [~jhuni@udp217774uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:40:14 phryk: then you're ahead of your reading. 12:40:25 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-158-96.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:40:26 the next chapter contains a section "Listing a directory" 12:41:20 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:42 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-147.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:48:31 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-102-63.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:48:49 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-99-232.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:49:23 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 12:51:01 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-169.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:52:09 sacho [~sacho@46.10.4.198] has joined #lisp 12:53:10 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-171-238.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:54:37 francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has joined #lisp 12:59:42 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host86-152-185-33.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02:37 so happy new year to all; wishing 2011 will be a prosperous year for programming 13:03:01 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.87.88.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:03:13 it's the year of Lisp on desktop 13:04:25 I have lisp and I have desktop so it can be my year 13:04:44 mcclim on the desktop, finally! 13:04:51 any new resolutions for 2011 ? 13:05:12 Java dying a horrible death would be nice 13:06:29 that more or less happened, no 13:07:01 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:05 drdo: errr yeah... I meant resolutions, not death wishes a la Charles Bronson ! 13:07:23 francogrex: I have several. 13:07:29 francogrex: All OT! 13:07:48 vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 13:09:51 schmrkc: well lisp/programming resolution we're interested in here (resolutions to lose weight and marry the sexy blond next door is a bit Ot yeah) 13:12:35 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:51 vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 13:13:19 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 13:13:23 ot = over top? 13:13:31 ;) 13:13:54 hah, yeah 13:14:53 slash_1 [~unknown@p4FF0A888.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:12 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:15:18 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B75A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16:08 churib [~tg@dslb-088-071-158-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:51 francogrex: lisa would kill me if I married the sexy blond next door, and lose weight is something I never wanna do ;) 13:17:42 you know what the fastest way to lose weight is, though 13:17:57 amputation 13:17:59 francogrex: Actually I will make a lisp one. I will participate in 6 lisp game jams 2011. 13:18:20 do you have a BMI < 19 13:18:32 Phoodus: migration to the Moon? 13:18:37 that, too 13:19:27 new year resolutions: lose weight of SBCL images 13:20:17 JuanDaugherty: Who are you asking? 13:20:26 stassats: Needs to go under 10MB! 13:21:03 schmrkc, you, the response was directly after your last line 13:21:22 JuanDaugherty: Not on my screen it wasn't :) 13:21:37 JuanDaugherty: My BMI is 28.1 says the calculator. 13:22:14 schmrkc: 6? which 6 is on your mind? 13:22:20 schmrkc, then you need to loose weight 13:22:36 leo2007: Well there's one next week. I'm pretty sure there will be atleast 5 more this year. 13:22:39 JuanDaugherty: Why? 13:22:42 loose? 13:23:19 lisp game jams, that sound interesting 13:23:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-67.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:23:49 the sbcl image seems like a thing to look forward to 13:23:53 francogrex: http://lispgames.org/index.php/2011_January_Lispy_Game_Jam 13:24:16 *lose. For a caucasian > 25 is overweight, > 30 obese. 13:24:27 BMI is flawed 13:24:29 JuanDaugherty: BMI is a pretty useless measurement. 13:24:48 what's BMI of an SBCL core? 13:24:54 true, it's possible you could have a BMI of 28 and be very muscular 13:25:05 just unlikely here 13:25:07 josemanuel [~josemanue@86.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:25:12 JuanDaugherty: I have 8% bodyfat. 13:25:31 schmrkc: ;) your name was there already. Good start. 13:25:45 unlikely but not impossible 13:26:03 leo2007: Seems to not be such a rush for people signing up. Patzy is all "oh but I have to move to another country that week. no time to hack" etc. pffft! 13:26:59 schmrkc, btw, how did you assay that body composition figure? 13:27:03 I just hope we don't get a action replay turn-based turtle themed game. 13:27:16 JuanDaugherty: I do a 4 point caliper measurement. 13:27:23 i c 13:27:25 well, schmrkc is there archives from the last context (just to check the type of games) , 13:27:41 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-169.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:27:50 francogrex: I have no idea. I know there was some events last year, just no idea whatever happened to it all. 13:28:19 francogrex: You do have to realise that 95% of the lispgame community is dto :) 13:29:08 JuanDaugherty: You can also talk to tic on here. He's insanely ripped half of the year, and lifts heavy arse weights. 13:29:22 now he is snowboarding I guess. 13:29:22 -!- sea4ever [~sea@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:04 lispers are tough 13:30:21 we have to be to handle these huge binaries. 13:30:25 sea4ever [~sea@205.244.150.231] has joined #lisp 13:30:30 100MB for a currency calculator! 13:30:32 and no main() 13:31:50 schmrkc, Acknowledged. 13:32:10 pmurias [~pawel@static-78-8-208-43.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #lisp 13:32:28 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 13:33:40 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-102-63.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:34:26 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-20-15.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:35:01 some of my new year's resolutions: start developing (simple) games (using clos) to learn more cl. switch to sbcl as my main implementation (ecl to produce dlls for distribution); learn more assembly and c to hack and improve... 13:37:09 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-159-141.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:24 if i have some AST in the form ("subcall" ... ...) (the final intermediate from a compiler i load in via json) i want to compile to common lisp what seems the smarter thing, recursivly transform it or convert the first elements to symbols and define some macros 13:39:27 AST is propably an incorrect name, it's really a opcode tree 13:40:11 schmrkc: wrong! maybe 95% of dorky videos :) but the community is huge..... cl->flash, parenscript. the list goes on and on 13:40:49 schmrkc: also, i do not snowboard :) 13:41:26 francogrex: try visiting lispgames.org and check out t\he game jam, maybe sign up :) 13:41:45 dto: parenscript sounds intresting 13:41:52 s/sounds/looks 13:42:00 yeah its quite cool. someone even has slime support 13:42:46 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 13:44:03 dto: ok i will 13:44:17 snearch [~snearch@f053012138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:44:48 although sign-up depends on how confident I feel vis a vis the programming improvements I make in the coming weeks 13:45:10 xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.81.99] has joined #lisp 13:46:20 o.O 13:46:25 dto: cl->flash?!? 13:46:41 francogrex: If yuo are going to develope simple games do participate in the game jam(s) !! 13:47:00 francogrex: For this upcoming 7 day one I hope to spend 7hrs atleast. simple games are welcome (: 13:47:43 naryl: _3b is doing some cl->flash thing, ya. 13:48:24 -!- pocket_ [~pocket_@p3239-ipbf2310hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:23 if it works on linux... flash games have some 1M players community 13:49:50 naryl: I think linux is the main developement platform. 13:49:53 I mean if you can use it to create flash games without having Windows or the official authoring toolchain 13:50:11 I think that is how it works. Don't really know though. 13:50:57 cliki has one entry: http://www.cliki.net/Gordon 13:54:17 it's possible to write flash games on linux using only actionscript 13:54:38 so one could theoretically use a (modified) parenscript 13:56:16 pmurias: Don't transform to symbols. 13:56:23 bsod1 [~osa1@88.242.79.110] has joined #lisp 13:57:16 beach: why? 13:57:44 i only plan to transform opcode names of which there is a limited number 13:58:02 pmurias: Use data-driven programming by having a hash-table that associates the first element with a function that does the action. 13:58:06 hi 13:58:20 ehi people, look!!! http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nova/lisp64.jpg 13:59:14 rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-218-51-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:59:24 Posterdati: huh ? 13:59:43 francogrex: common lisp for commodore 64 14:00:27 you have it installed? 14:01:16 yes 14:01:44 _common_ lisp? 14:02:04 Soulman [~knute@166.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:58 it's 1986 14:03:19 beach: what would the advantage of that approach be? 14:04:15 pmurias: do you develop flash games ? 14:05:02 francogrex: looked into it 14:05:03 tcr1 [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:05:30 i installed the tools and read the tutorial but i didn't want to draw the art 14:05:38 ok and that's why you're interested in parenscript 14:05:54 *francogrex* checking out the gordon link 14:07:19 stassats: http://lemonodor.com/archives/2007_11.html 14:08:14 francogrex: i'm intrested in parenscript as i don't like to write javascript 14:09:14 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-20-15.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:09:32 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p4FF0A888.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:14:11 francogrex: http://lemonodor.com/archives/2007_11.html 14:15:20 stassats: I think it's merely a list interpreter 14:15:57 a lisp interpreter not Lisp 14:17:17 how did you get it installed? 14:17:49 francogrex: vice on linux machine 14:20:59 it's a historical thing. try experimenting with it for fun then (and if you like archeology) 14:22:35 faux [~user@c-219c70d5.035-128-67626713.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 14:24:29 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26:54 happy mailman day 14:27:32 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 14:30:55 no mailmans here? :D 14:31:08 1/1/11? almost could be binary 14:31:17 (or 11/1/1 if you prefer) 14:31:51 how do i convert a string to a symbol? 14:32:07 intern 14:32:37 is (intern "foo") equivalent to 'foo? 14:32:54 generally not 14:33:09 the reader will generally upcase "foo" to "FOO" by default 14:33:17 (intern "foo") returns |foo| lowercase symbol 14:33:27 but (intern "FOO") is equivalent? 14:34:01 yes, intern creates the symbol in the current *package*, though you can also specify which package to put it in 14:34:25 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_intern.htm 14:35:42 if you don't want it held in a package, use make-symbol http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_sym.htm 14:37:23 Posterdati: there was a cool writeup of a lisp on apple II i think (was 6502-based) which went into detail about byte-level storage and garbage collection, too 14:39:41 3rd from last chapter: http://home.comcast.net/~oneelkruns/plisp_manual.pdf 14:44:11 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@91-115-142-29.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 14:44:24 retrry [~quassel@b4.vu.lt] has joined #lisp 14:46:26 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@91-115-142-29.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 14:48:00 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:09 how do i convert a string to uppercase? 14:49:22 string-upcase 14:51:47 Does anyone use lispbuilder-sdl on OS X? 14:52:08 drdo: I have, a tiny bit. 14:52:44 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A888.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:16 Xach: I can't even run the example on the webpage 14:53:32 I get an icon on the dock when i load sdl, when i run that code i don't get a window 14:55:35 building CLISP to see if it works there, i just noticed that they say CCL isn't supported 14:56:31 bubo [~user@93-82-16-51.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 14:56:43 -!- bubo [~user@93-82-16-51.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 14:58:32 Gordon looks like the best crossplatform GUI for CL. 14:58:40 *naryl* raises his riot-shield 15:01:22 Bronsa [~bronsa@host79-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:02:04 is it possible to expand only definitions i defined? 15:02:38 naryl: Doesn't seem likely to me. It was only developed a little. 15:03:52 s/definitions/macros/ 15:07:46 pmurias: for static debugging purposes or actually affecting the runtime by stopping other things from running? 15:08:22 not sure the latter is possible. For the former, drilling down into macros via C-c Ret in SLIME is pretty effective 15:08:33 as well as macroexpand and its variants 15:09:23 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:21 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:30 Phoodus: debugging 15:18:59 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:38 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:51 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25:53 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:27:00 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:27:16 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-79-106.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:57 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:07 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-143-169.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:31:31 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:21 brodo [~brodo@p5B0235C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:13 is it possible to define a function which takes a variable number of arguments? 15:36:18 yes 15:36:31 see &rest 15:36:47 and &key, and &optional 15:41:56 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 15:44:01 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-50-127-222.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:17 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-50-127-222.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:24 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 15:51:10 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B0235C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:01 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:47 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@187.114.114.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57:58 brodo [~brodo@p5B022BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:03 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:11 -!- sacho [~sacho@46.10.4.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:25 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:27 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:41 -!- sea4ever [~sea@205.244.150.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:49 -!- stettberger [stettberge@peer.zerties.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:43 can strings be used as keys in hash tables? 16:12:58 stettberger [stettberge@peer.zerties.org] has joined #lisp 16:13:46 yes 16:14:16 how they will be matched depends on the test function of a hash-table 16:14:59 eq and eql will only match the same strings, while equal will mach equal strings 16:15:13 thanks works 16:16:51 sacho [~sacho@46.10.4.198] has joined #lisp 16:18:45 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:19:50 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:20:06 -!- Phoodus [~foo@97-124-118-212.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:20:30 -!- The_Fellow1 [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:25 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:28:11 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:34 -!- naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 16:29:43 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 16:29:51 mega1 [~mega1@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 16:34:25 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:39:54 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:42:31 jeti [~user@p548EB7B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:52 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-72-147.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:44:20 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:56 urandom__ [~user@p548A6087.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:28 mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 16:48:46 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053012138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:50:25 jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:36 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:58 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 16:58:48 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 17:04:10 Weird spam: "Use our compilator for building library with lisp sources.. We upgrade the lisp language to C++." 17:04:47 gigamonkey: hahahah :) 17:06:30 Where did that show up? :P 17:06:37 gigamonkey: Yeah, I've seen a few of those lately. 17:07:41 drdo: my inbox 17:08:05 Oh 17:08:36 brodo_ [~brodo@p5B022BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:03 -!- brodo_ [~brodo@p5B022BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:10:22 slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has joined #lisp 17:11:12 gigamonkey: hah 17:11:22 brodo_ [~brodo@p5B022BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:29 gigamonkey: be careful to feed only approved source code to the compilatron. 17:11:47 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B022BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:11:47 -!- brodo_ is now known as brodo 17:19:00 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:54 vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 17:25:12 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:21 -!- bakkdoor|afk is now known as bakkdoor 17:33:10 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:33:34 -!- peth [~anon@unaffiliated/peth] has quit [] 17:34:28 happy 2011 #lispians! 17:36:26 peth [~anon@unaffiliated/peth] has joined #lisp 17:37:38 and also to you 17:41:39 vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 17:43:24 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-149-166-62.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:51:16 -!- jeti [~user@p548EB7B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:09 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:00 jeti [~user@p548EB7B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:59 "functools" vs "funk" 17:57:39 which name is better for a library providing functional utilities 17:57:44 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:51 such as partial, curry, compose etc 17:57:59 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B022BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:58:19 any ideas? 17:59:36 alexandria 18:01:04 *stassats* is confused by iolib, which version of it is supposed to work with which version of libfixpofix, and which version of cffi 18:02:10 HEAD - HEAD - HEAD 18:02:11 -!- necroforest [~jarred@pool-96-249-147-66.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:47 fe[nl]ix: doesn't work, libfixpofix now has lfp.h, and iolib wants libfixpofix.h 18:03:12 any suggestions? 18:03:23 How does iolib compare to usocket? 18:03:35 stassats: just committed a fix for that 18:04:30 fe[nl]ix: and why there is no tag in git for 0.7.3? 18:06:50 sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:07:22 pnq [~nick@172.162.3.36] has joined #lisp 18:08:00 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:08:55 fe[nl]ix: src/os/ffi-types-unix.lisp still has (include "libfixposix.h") 18:14:51 joergen [~joergen@brln-4dba82fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:56 -!- joergen [~joergen@brln-4dba82fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #lisp 18:16:17 sid3k: yes, if you have useful functional utilities, please consider adding them to alexandria rather than making a new library 18:16:57 -!- JuanDaugherty [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:22 Phoodus [~foo@174-17-240-55.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:22 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:23:02 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A1D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:16 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 18:25:51 slyrus: it's written in another language 18:26:25 I'm asking here because there is lots of experienced coders interested at fp 18:26:38 is there? 18:26:59 yeah? it's #lisp dude 18:27:24 I don't ask this question in a channel of multiparadigm language 18:27:42 Heh. :-| 18:28:17 sid3k: Don't we already have a library providing curry, compose, etc? 18:28:48 schmrkc, I'd have to gain 13 kilos to match your bmi 18:28:49 sid3k: i'm sorry to disappoint you, but lisp is a multiparadigm language without much of an accent to functional programming 18:29:06 schmrkc: consider that I'm implementing a new lisp dialect which doesn't support libraries of other implementations 18:29:50 stassats: lisp is functional according to wikipedia 18:29:54 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A888.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:30:22 accent 18:30:36 The first paradigm listed is "Multi-paradigm". 18:31:29 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@86.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 18:31:45 anyway, I'm naming my new library (written in a non-lisp language) as funk. still no suggestion? 18:31:47 did you meant "interested at"? 18:31:55 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:32:11 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:16 JuanDaugherty: (: I'm a fitness professional, and I have been training with various things for quite some years :) 18:32:43 what got you interested in lisp? 18:32:48 JuanDaugherty: I reckon with a super squats routine you could put on 13kg in half a year though. 18:32:57 JuanDaugherty: A book I found at the library 15 years ago. 18:33:07 yeah but I don't wanna have gross quads 18:33:24 :D 18:33:28 what's the matter with you guys? why do you judge me instead of answering a simple question? 18:33:40 sid3k: This is a channel for common lisp though. 18:33:41 I don't wanna be over 90kg 18:33:51 JuanDaugherty: then stay below 90 (: 18:34:12 the most I've ever been is 215# 18:34:21 uhhh... 18:34:24 schmrkc: so I'm asking a naming question related to functional programming which most of the lispers insterested at 18:34:25 *schmrkc* asks google to translate. 18:34:43 sid3k: I don't think most lispers are interested in functional programming. 18:34:44 sid3k: i have no interest whatsoever in functional programming 18:34:58 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:04 would you like a brutally honest response sid3K? 18:35:28 ok guys, say that I didn't ask this question. fuck that 18:35:37 ok. 18:36:10 vokoda_ [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 18:36:20 *JuanDaugherty* really likes brutal honesty. 18:39:13 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:39:50 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-191-132.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 18:40:25 FTR, sid3k lisp is general considered to be in the family of FP langs in the large sense 18:40:33 *generally 18:40:47 I think of it as a sort of assembly language 18:40:58 oh boy 18:41:06 -!- cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:41:18 rfg [~rfg@188-222-83-162.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:41:51 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:42:28 dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-180.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 18:42:28 vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 18:43:11 -!- vokoda_ [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:25 woulda been great if it had been chosen as the international algorithmic lang but it wasn't 18:43:37 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:44:40 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-135-201-53.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 18:44:56 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:46:38 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:58 JuanDaugherty: thanks for explonations but I'm very disappointed after seeing that #lisp is full of trools judging others 18:51:10 Vinnipeg [~sa1vador@79.126.74.146] has joined #lisp 18:51:44 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:22 -!- Vinnipeg [~sa1vador@79.126.74.146] has left #lisp 18:53:27 *JuanDaugherty* didn't explon nuthin 18:54:29 i didn't see anyone judging anybody, or do you think that judging what you're saying is the same as judging you? 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However, these days the FP folks have gone off in different directions and Lispers are drawn to Lisp for other reasons. 18:56:26 If you want to talk to a bunch of FP enthusiasts, try #haskell or maybe #scheme 18:56:57 MikeSeth [~me@unaffiliated/mikeseth] has joined #lisp 18:57:33 arright, thanks 18:58:31 *JuanDaugherty* pities a trool. 19:00:45 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-79-106.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:01:14 -!- oconnore [~eric@c-24-61-119-4.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:01:32 oconnore [~eric@c-24-61-119-4.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:31 -!- rfg [~rfg@188-222-83-162.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rfg] 19:07:30 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@246-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 19:13:19 rfg [~rfg@188-222-83-162.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:14:27 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-79-106.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:49 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 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structures 20:26:29 taking variable semantics into account is a new idea as far as i know 20:30:17 cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has joined #lisp 20:30:44 -!- tali713 [~user@c-71-195-45-159.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:53 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:36:20 pinkwerks [~pinkwerks@cpe-74-68-129-122.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:37:58 -!- cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20:39:09 carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.76] has joined #lisp 20:39:24 cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has joined #lisp 20:41:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-78-239.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: Bye?] 20:41:26 -!- cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:39 balooga [~00u4440@pool-173-55-252-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:35 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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I'm guessing these are related. Is there someone here who can help? 20:52:06 sav [~lsd@jagat.xored.org] has joined #lisp 20:53:28 -!- jeti [~user@p548EB7B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:54:29 ramus_ [~ramus@adsl-108-76-68-172.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:17 francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has joined #lisp 20:55:45 -!- retrry [~quassel@b4.vu.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:41 -!- ramus [~ramus@adsl-108-76-71-112.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57:46 -!- ramus_ [~ramus@adsl-108-76-68-172.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:58:04 ramus [~ramus@adsl-108-76-68-172.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:59:12 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 21:00:17 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:27 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-79-106.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:07:28 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-158-96.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:03 lambda-nil [~jhuelga@142.Red-80-33-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:58 -!- Fade [fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:13:35 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-79-106.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:01 -!- HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16:00 Fade [fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:46 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-98-234-185-107.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:11 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:21:59 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:10 -!- vlion [~user@76.178.165.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23:39 thierry [~user@modemcable186.37-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:25:32 -!- thierry [~user@modemcable186.37-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 21:28:36 xan_ [~xan@220.241.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:50 gigamonkey: hi 21:33:00 gigamonkey: happy new year 21:33:59 vokoda_ [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 21:34:49 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:42 udzinari` [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 21:38:06 ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.119.164] has joined #lisp 21:39:15 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-98-234-185-107.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:39:39 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:40:05 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:40:11 oconnore [~eric@50.10.172.212] has joined #lisp 21:42:00 -!- aintme [~user@2.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:25 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:42:42 Posterdati: Happy New Year! 21:42:53 -!- peth [~anon@unaffiliated/peth] has left #lisp 21:44:02 balooga: maybe gigamonkey can help 21:44:37 -!- oconnore [~eric@50.10.172.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:44:42 vokoda [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has joined #lisp 21:44:58 hmmmm. lispnkis.com is in a sad inbetween state. 21:45:20 It used to be on my VPS but when I moved to a new VPS I didn't want to bother recreating the mailmain setup. 21:45:31 So, in theory, drewc was going to keep it alive. 21:45:32 -!- madsj [~mads@188.183.99.10] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:46:21 vlion [~user@CPE-76-178-165-160.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:47:43 -!- vokoda_ [~vokoda@unaffiliated/vokoda] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:02 -!- redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:06 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:49:19 pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.121.191] has joined #lisp 21:54:56 -!- churib [~tg@dslb-088-071-158-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:55:08 -!- churib_ is now known as churib 21:55:22 churib1 [~tg@dslb-088-071-158-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:01 francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has joined #lisp 21:57:09 rvirding [~chatzilla@h137n1c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:39 -!- bigjust_ is now known as bigjust 22:04:08 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:29 -!- vlion [~user@CPE-76-178-165-160.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:53 -!- murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.192.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:16 murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.192.190] has joined #lisp 22:06:43 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:06:52 muhdik [~IceChat7@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:29 -!- spacemanaki [~spacemana@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: spacemanaki] 22:09:40 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.86.74] has joined #lisp 22:11:13 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:14:29 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host79-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: brb] 22:15:20 ^jamie^ [user@5ad024f3.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 22:17:01 Bronsa [~bronsa@host172-184-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 22:21:11 -!- nmg [~nickga@host81-131-156-38.range81-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:49 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-238-209.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:21:53 -!- ^jamie^ [user@5ad024f3.bb.sky.com] has left #lisp 22:22:08 binod [~binod@88-134-63-162-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 22:24:59 DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #lisp 22:29:52 hi, i am new to this LISP things. I have a linked list equal(f(x),yi).With the value od i like i=3, i want to generate the list (equal(f(x),y1)equal(f(x),y2)(f(x),y3)). I am not getting any idea how to approach it. Can anyone help to how to deal with it? 22:31:06 *Xach* can't understand the problem specification 22:32:46 this doesn't look like lisp 22:35:12 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:37 francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has joined #lisp 22:36:56 this may be interesting for some: Phil who developed and maintained ABLE (related to Clisp) seems to have developed his own based on eval: http://phil.nullable.eu/ 22:37:41 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 22:43:12 prxq, this is not a LISP, since my problem is of linked list data structure. So i thought of asking it here. I am not so sure whether my question is suitable in this channel.Incase if this questions is suitable here,what exactly i want to know is... how can i append a linked list repeatedly using some loop like for(...) 22:43:31 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@212-183-39-3.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 22:51:16 sickofall [~bluec0w@254.Red-81-43-212.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:50 how is "equal(f(x),yi)" a linked list? it looks to me like nested procedure calls or something 22:52:33 what are the actual list elements in there supposed to be? 22:53:57 but if you just want to iterate over numbers, (dotimes (i 3) ) will run the innards with i=0, i=1, i=2 22:54:10 there are more complex iteration mechanisms, too 22:58:38 -!- sickofall [~bluec0w@254.Red-81-43-212.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 23:02:19 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host172-184-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:04:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-135-201-53.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:04:40 -!- faux [~user@c-219c70d5.035-128-67626713.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:51 dthomp [~dthomp@adsl-76-231-56-68.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:04 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:10:05 -!- beach [~user@ssh2.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-147.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:58 carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.76] has joined #lisp 23:16:36 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 23:17:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-135-201-127.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 23:21:33 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c1a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:22:03 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:47 -!- mega1 [~mega1@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:58 niros [~nir@bzq-84-111-107-251.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:30 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-105-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 23:25:52 gigamonkey: how are you ? 23:26:09 -!- niros [~nir@bzq-84-111-107-251.red.bezeqint.net] has left #lisp 23:28:55 jhuni [~jhuni@udp217774uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:13 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.10.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:26 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 23:34:44 -!- Edward is now known as Guest74781 23:34:46 loxs [~loxs@78.90.124.178] has joined #lisp 23:36:15 benny [~benny@i577A21A4.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 23:36:42 -!- xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.81.99] has left #lisp 23:43:03 vlion [~user@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 23:43:50 -!- pmurias [~pawel@static-78-8-208-43.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:44:20 kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:41 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.150.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:52:13 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.71.175] has joined #lisp 23:53:47 -!- sacho [~sacho@46.10.4.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:36 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:56:56 sacho [~sacho@46.10.4.198] has joined #lisp 23:57:47 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]