00:00:02 -!- dto1 is now known as dto 00:00:03 naryl: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/tmp/test-diff.html 00:00:09 Ok. I just want to be sure it won't die like texticl. And my users know TeX so Markup looks like a better choice than markdown. Thanks. 00:00:34 Fade: "Stockholm syndrome", that's a great way to put it, that's what I'm seeing. 00:00:37 naryl: you may want to check out orgmode plus export. 00:00:45 i was being ironical. 00:00:50 so that iteration would look even more kinky 00:00:51 irony fail. 00:01:07 Hexstream: what I am seeing is that you cared way too much. 00:01:15 stassats: ... you read my mind or what? 00:01:18 Craig` [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 00:01:29 but seriously, if you have released software with comprehensive documentation, kudos to you. 00:01:36 (remember to have full support for APL's Unicode format) 00:01:50 prxq: I brought balance in the universe. People don't care enough, are way too apathetic, underestimate the problem. So I'm here to counter-balance that. 00:02:21 Fade: It's the first in a very long series of fully documented library releases. 00:02:52 Hexstream: so, tell me. How is this a big problem that I am underestimating? 00:03:23 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 00:03:30 surely the comprehensive documentation has a rationale in it for replacing a standardized piece of CL? 00:03:36 where is this code? 00:04:08 Fade: http://www.loopless.org/doc/Loopless-over-LOOP.html#Loopless-over-LOOP It's not perfect, but it's a start. 00:04:19 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:22 This code is on GitHub/Hexstream 00:04:26 come to think of it, that's the only argument that really needs to be made in loops favour... it's everywhere. 00:04:38 And is currently in a mostly unusable state for outsiders, for the most part. 00:04:48 naryl: also, there are some more implementation of Markup now thanks to this: http://www.codequarterly.com/code-challenges/markup/ 00:04:49 outsch 00:05:15 It's everywhere and it's useless and redundant and competes with the rest of Common Lisp needlessly. 00:05:15 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1c:bc25] has joined #lisp 00:05:38 Anyway, I guess that's enough twisting arms for today. 00:05:53 Hexstream: I bet it hurts! 00:06:34 *sykopomp* wonders if there are *any* decent abstractions for LAMBDA that work nicely for LAMBDA-heavy code and don't involve idiotic reader macros. 00:06:45 I just hope the stale whining about LOOP can stop when someone doesn't like it and would like to drop the concept of a monolithic looping construct entirely. 00:06:48 you also didn't like iterate? 00:07:04 i think we are looping now. 00:07:12 i think we already iterated over that 00:07:14 i showed up late. 00:07:17 i mean, in some kind of loop 00:07:19 heh 00:07:34 -!- Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:07:41 (06:24:34 PM) Hexstream: ITERATE was cast in the same mold as LOOP, therefore it shares all the same inherent problems. 00:08:29 okay, well, i'll read this screed you wrote. 00:08:54 stassats: ... you just made me reread Wikipedia's APL page. I'll dedicate my macro transformer of APL code to you :> 00:09:56 that's great, i'll tell my grandchildren that there is a macro dedicated to me 00:12:09 sykopomp: how would you abstract lambda? Or do you mean abbreviation? 00:12:31 I'm reading this "loopless-over-loop" page... ". You have to learn a bunch of loop-specific syntax and semantics before you can even get started using it." - I'm pretty new to Lisp and it took me a whole 10 minutes to learn how to use LOOP, at least the basics of it 00:12:38 Kernel-style operatives 00:12:41 (defvar *abstraction* (lambda (x y) x)) 00:12:44 prxq: abbreviation is the goal, I guess, yes. LAMBDA is pretty syntactically heavy. 00:13:07 sykopomp: you can write a real lambda 00:13:14 utf-8 lambda 00:13:30 sykopomp: (defmacro ll (&rest stuff) `(ll ,@stuff)) ? 00:13:41 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@212-14-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 00:14:12 prxq: well, 'lambda isn't really the bulk of the problem. 00:14:28 I've used a FUN macro for some things, but I can't say I'm a huge fan. 00:14:29 aha 00:14:37 (fun (do-some-stuff-to _) 00:14:38 ) 00:15:05 necroforest: I guess for some reason I had a harder time learning LOOP than a lot of people. However, don't you agree that many of the "peculiar" concepts you have to learn to use LOOP are not used anywhere else in Common Lisp? 00:15:34 gigamonkey: The link at cl-user.net is broken again. Where do i get the Markup? 00:15:40 I agree, although I don't think they're peculiar 00:15:59 What's the best way to step through sequences in parallel without using loop? 00:16:04 And google has some broken links to gigamonkeys.com/lisp/markup too o.O 00:16:06 There's some kind of LAMBDA "abstraction" I thought about a bit. It's a bit of a needlessly complicated solution for a non-problem, but here goes: 00:16:11 sykopomp: you want to pipe values through a set of expressions? 00:16:34 naryl: Yeah. I've since rewritten it. I'll be publishing it on github soon. Let me see if I can do that right now. 00:16:42 (Not super confidence inspiring I guess.) 00:16:54 thanks 00:17:03 prxq: well, not just combining functions. 00:17:11 np, I use rucksack for persistence ;) 00:17:29 prxq: using macros, creating closures where the lambda-abstraction's argument will fall in a particular place, etc. 00:17:36 What if emacs could replace the word LAMBDA with an actual lambda sign? This would merely be a surface syntaxic illusion, the emacs buffer would still contain "lambda" and if, for example, you search for "amb" in the file, the magic trick would be turned off while the point is inside the word. 00:17:42 it can 00:17:57 Hexstream: that's insufficient. Most of the noise comes from the lambda-list anyway. 00:18:01 Hexstream: there are modes that do that already 00:18:07 wasn't that fold mode? 00:18:19 I recall using one together with Quack when I was still playing around Schme 00:18:20 *Scheme 00:18:49 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d011615.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: good night...] 00:18:58 I know Clojure has some $1 $2 $3 or something, but that strikes me as even worse than my FUN :\ 00:19:07 stassats+p_l|home+prxq: Ah?? Cool! 00:19:22 we are cool combined, yes 00:19:48 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PrettyLambda 00:20:07 #(% %1 %2 %3) in Clojure. 00:20:10 ...meh. 00:20:19 My stance about the "problems" of LAMBDA is similar to your stances about the problems of LOOP. 00:20:22 *p_l|home* feels the urge to scream "Gattai!" 00:20:30 -!- tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:20:30 tessier_ [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 00:21:41 you can also use kanji to name functions, that way it'll be shorter 00:21:52 hahaha 00:21:54 p_l|home: some haskell editor has the feature. It replaces \ with  00:22:07 stassats: You're a fountain of great ideas! Slow down, I need to write this down somewhere... 00:22:19 stassats: I experimented with kanji for symbol names, it's fun :) 00:22:35 p_l|home: dork. 00:22:39 :D 00:22:48 though you'd need to modify SLIME's suggestion capabilities 00:22:56 otherwise it can be painful to type :P 00:23:37 p_l|home: with slimy popping up: "looks like you're trying to type ..."? 00:24:07 lol 00:24:16 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1c:bc25] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:24:27 I have a FMASK macro somewhere that helps with those "problems" of LAMBDA in some cases, but I now consider it pretty bad style. For instance, (fmask #'list (? (some-function some-var) ? (some-other-function ?))) is equivalent to (lambda (x y z) (list x (some-function some-var) y (some-other-function z))) 00:24:28 sellout- [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:33 I wasn't aware of any of Clippy's relatives taking work in SLIME 00:24:55 Hexstream: yeah, see, I'm not sure I like those solutions, either. 00:25:17 That's why now I just use plain LAMBDA with its few non-problems. 00:25:25 so maybe it's best to just suck it up between #', CURRY/RCURRY 00:25:39 -!- sigjuice_ [~sigjuice@c-71-198-22-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:25:42 hey, with LOOP you don't need to use LAMBDA that often 00:25:46 I used Clojure-style lambdas but found that LAMBDA is the only true way after all. 00:25:47 :D 00:25:55 i tend to use labels 00:25:55 sykopomp: The most idiomatic way for Common Lisp I came up with is #`(frob ,0 ,1 ,2), and also #`(frob :foo ,0 ,@1) where in the latter case it's apply of a &rest list 00:26:22 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.222] has joined #lisp 00:26:30 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:26:30 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 00:26:35 #' makes a function, and #` also makes a function but takes a template to do so 00:26:36 tcr: that seems semi-reasonable. 00:26:58 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-198-22-233.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:01 I think it fits in well :-) 00:28:17 do you use it a lot, or have you also abandoned it for plain LAMBDA? 00:28:25 I haven't yet written it 00:28:31 -!- konr [~user@187.106.39.144] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:28:47 heh 00:29:38 But I came up with it quite some time ago, just never had the time to implement it 00:30:18 the problem with 0 1 2 is that it's not very descriptive 00:30:42 That seems pretty descriptive to me... NTH arg... 00:30:44 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:31:07 stassats: you don't necessarily need that much description for short, simple lambda expressions (which is the only use I can justify for abstractions like these) 00:31:07 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:08 Ohh, I see what you mean. 00:31:08 stassats: the problem with lambda (anonymous function) is that it's not very descriptive 00:31:24 Hexstream: only if all your functions are named nth-function 00:31:25 tcr: But lambda describes the variables with names. 00:31:28 anonymous parameter names can come in handy likewise 00:31:35 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:31:53 stassats: expressions so short and simple that it's obvious enough what you mean, based on what you're calling, and what you're applying it to. 00:32:28 I find it more descriptive than curry / rcurry or compose because you visually see where parameters are going to be inserted 00:33:03 curry/rcurry are also quite nice, though. 00:33:10 probably would be better with better names, I guess. 00:33:28 *p_l|home* from time to time plays with curry/compose using curly 00:33:29 sykopomp: if it's short and simple, (lambda (x y) (cons y x)) would work 00:34:03 p_l|home: ? 00:34:05 but I guess sharpsign-prefixed start symbols would work better for it 00:35:31 stassats: but what if you could avoid the first 13 characters of that? 00:35:49 sykopomp: curly uses [] and {} 00:35:54 p_l|home: gross. 00:36:08 sykopomp: i'd be using APL 00:36:30 sykopomp: I can't remember stassats having ever spoke with approval to anything in the last two years 00:36:48 tcr: to anything not already in CL 00:36:59 He's the tea party member of #lisp 00:37:15 I was about to say: "Well, he approves LOOP, doesn't he?", but nevermind. 00:37:23 sykopomp: [] is for currying, {} is for compose. * (configurable) can be used to select where variable will be entered 00:37:26 You utterly conservative fuck ;P 00:38:30 well, the thing is that approving something has no value 00:38:54 sykopomp: What arc brings to the table is debatable, but it's more than just a "thin set of macros". 00:38:56 p_l|home: [] and {} should be for data structures. 00:39:00 ................ sorry, but that's patently false in the general case. 00:39:04 while dissecting leads to better understanding 00:39:16 eli: sorry. It defines some functions, too. 00:39:24 no matter which side you're on 00:39:37 stassats' resistance only makes me realize that compacting LAMBDA has relatively little value. 00:39:39 It doesn't feel right when they generate code. I tried it. :D 00:39:49 sykopomp: No, it does its own compilation of a sexpr language to racket. 00:40:28 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:40:48 sykopomp: i just like my occam razor 00:41:02 stassats: I think it's very much applicable here. 00:41:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:41:46 then again, I still believe that there's a level of LAMBDA-use that simply won't happen because of the form's syntactic weight. 00:42:09 for example, we don't write (if (test) (lambda () (then)) (lambda () (else))) 00:42:13 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@212-14-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:42:36 yet some languages have such syntactically light anonymous function abstractions, that's exactly what they do. 00:42:50 stassats: May I ask how old you are?... Like, if you're 50+ then I can understand why you're all super conservative, but if you're in your 20ies or something, then it will be my turn to be sad ;P 00:42:59 err, (if (lambda () (test)) ...) even. 00:43:03 Hexstream: 21... 00:43:29 YEOUCHHHHHHHH. I am very sad indeed. See, you don't have the monopoly on misplaced sadness. 00:43:56 #lisp makes you older 00:44:11 I can see how that would be true! 00:44:13 ... what is with everyone who writes priority queues as libraries for lisp? 00:44:28 *p_l|home* just got two libraries sticking GPL in his face 00:44:46 p_l|home: embrace freedom. 00:44:56 stassats: How long have you been lisping and how long have you been #lisp-ing? 00:45:12 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.49.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:50 4-3 years, i guess 00:46:48 About the same as me then. Maybe a bit more for you. 00:47:10 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925255513.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:47:22 Hexstream: I bet you can piss farther if you try. 00:47:37 naryl: I'm still working on getting stuff tidied up to release. I'll let you know when it's up. Otherwise check back on my github page in a bit. 00:47:45 Shall I go get some measuring tape, or are we gonna talk about Lisp? 00:47:50 sykopomp: ?... 00:48:09 sykopomp: how long is your measuring tape? 00:48:11 sykopomp: freedom can go embrace a nuke :/ 00:48:33 -!- ymasory_ [~ymasory@grok.psych.upenn.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:11 stassats: well, it's a loop... 00:49:24 so that might be a problem. 00:49:42 *Hexstream* stays the fuck out of this. 00:50:07 gigamonkey: Thanks. I'm not in a hurry. 00:54:56 borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:56:47 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:56:53 boy, big fun in here tonight. 00:56:56 lol 01:01:19 p_l|home: What's wrong with GPL? 01:01:38 christ, no! 01:02:11 you're all fired 01:02:20 security will see you to the door now. 01:02:37 sellout- [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:02:43 You can't fire me if I resign first! 01:02:45 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 01:03:56 drdo: We all know what's wrong with every free license. Refer to some forum flamewars if you're still confused. 01:04:26 -!- sadeness [~zebadaia@altlinux/developer/sadeness] has left #lisp 01:04:50 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:50 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 01:05:17 drdo: I don't want to put my code under GPL, even if I'm not going to need a different license at the moment 01:06:04 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-145-187-245.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: jconrad] 01:06:40 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 01:08:21 meh, at least I figured faster this way that priority queue might not work for me 01:09:14 p_l|home: I use a priority queue that's in SBCL. 01:09:21 -!- dfox_ [~dfox@ip-89-176-11-41.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:09:58 sykopomp: If I did it in CL, I'd have to go with ABCL, probably. While my main developement environment is SBCL :> 01:10:14 p_l|home: you can extract the source code. It's portable CL. 01:10:45 sykopomp: If I'll still need to go with priority queue, then I'll do that 01:12:38 naryl: okay, should be up there. 01:13:10 I'll talk to Xach about getting my stuff into Quicklisp. 01:13:12 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483AD1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:13:26 gigamonkey: i think it's better to open a ticket 01:13:59 https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues 01:15:47 gigamonkey: what was the license for code examples in PCL? I can't find it online 01:15:52 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:16:33 p_l|home: BSD, sans advertising clause. 01:16:39 a.k.a. MIT 01:16:45 thanks 01:17:08 aka "practically public domain when taken worldwide"? :P 01:17:19 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has joined #lisp 01:17:48 rfg [~rfg@host81-102-111-33.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has joined #lisp 01:19:31 Anyway, I was thinking of reusing the classifier code from the spam filter to deal with rather different thing 01:19:53 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:20:26 naryl: do let me know if you have any trouble with the Markup code. I use it quite a bit but I'm the only one so it's not documented, etc. I'm happy to try and make it better. 01:21:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:22:03 udzinari` [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 01:23:53 _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has joined #lisp 01:24:51 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1c:caff] has joined #lisp 01:26:05 Guest32256 [~tim.j.ste@159.182.183.6] has joined #lisp 01:26:18 stassats: yup. 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But SBCL complains "The third argument (in keyword position) is not a constant." 05:18:16 Any way to tell it I know what I'm doing? 05:19:32 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 05:19:36 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:20:15 -!- xavierHart [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:20:55 I got it from the topic! 05:28:48 aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-4.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:30:35 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 05:30:38 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:48 -!- annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:33:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.90.2] 05:33:59 well i'm using clisp 05:34:29 and i don't know how to load a file from a seperate directory 05:35:24 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1c:caff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35:56 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:39:03 -!- compmstr [~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:39:51 shirleyt: (load ) ? 05:40:09 where is something like "/home/shirleyt/what/ever/file.lisp" 05:40:33 Good morning everyone! 05:40:41 don't forget #P in the front of the path, like #P"/home/shirleyt/what/ever/file.lisp" 05:40:44 beach: morning 05:42:51 ixor: So you are new here and you came becaue of the AI-contest ranking? 05:43:13 no 05:43:20 who said that? 05:44:21 ixor: Welcome anyhoo (: 05:44:34 _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has joined #lisp 05:45:03 beach: nah, he just commented on how mega1 p0wns hordes of C++ and Java :P 05:45:28 *p_l|home* believes we could take down +c just so we can color code the topic for that 05:45:41 maybe if there was a prolog bot in the race it'd actually be some competition, eh? 05:45:46 the OTHER AI language. 05:46:50 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 05:47:03 hahaha 05:47:17 pnq [~nick@AC811FB4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 05:47:25 p_l|home: you don't need the #p; a namestring is a perfectly good pathname designator. 05:47:27 I added 1 lisp webserver to cliki today 05:47:34 I wonder if anyone added it proper yer 05:47:36 yet 05:48:21 *p_l|home* found the +c flag in the channel to be annoying from time to time anyway - he often uses to color-code parts of the response to make code easily recognizable from speech, and only recently noticed it gets filtered out :/ 05:48:49 http://www.cliki.net/HTTP%20server 05:49:07 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 05:49:19 sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:49:33 ixor: which one is yours? 05:49:40 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1c:f90d] has joined #lisp 05:50:32 ah, the edit for SW-HTTP? 05:50:34 I added the one by lars 05:50:42 aye 05:51:06 it's referenced afaik under Web Frameworks 05:51:09 http://www.cliki.net/SymbolicWeb 05:51:24 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:36 though I'm unsure on how current that page is 05:52:30 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:56:49 -!- shirleyt [~user@c-69-255-152-6.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:57:03 phaer [~phaer@chello080108090109.9.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 05:57:29 broken link when i tried it 05:57:34 thats what le dme on the hunt 05:57:52 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:59:09 oh how funny it comes up now 05:59:15 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 05:59:17 sw-http -s newer it appears 05:59:27 2010 05:59:30 on file dates 05:59:36 epoll 05:59:48 I can connect to my swank server with slime connect, but when i try to enter the first command i get an error: "Symbol "CREATE-REPL" not found in the SWANK package.". Does anyone know something about this? 06:03:57 churib [~churib@dslc-082-082-126-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:06:33 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 06:07:13 quotework [~dancol@c-67-183-23-114.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:07:20 Is it legal to push onto an improper list? 06:08:02 Yes. 06:08:11 Thanks. 06:18:19 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:18:57 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:21:40 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-19-101.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:27:28 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 06:29:04 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:35:09 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has left #lisp 06:37:31 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 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New: mega1 p0wns hordes of C++ and Java programmers using his mad AI skillz (http://ai-contest.com/), ABCL 0.23.1, SBCL 1.0.44, Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, SBCL User Survey http://random-state.net/sbcl-survey-2010.html 08:55:52 cheers stassats 08:55:56 sorry about that everyone 08:56:16 -!- wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has quit [Client Quit] 08:56:27 wvdschel [~wim@vpne031.ugent.be] has joined #lisp 08:56:27 -!- wvdschel [~wim@vpne031.ugent.be] has quit [Changing host] 08:56:27 wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has joined #lisp 09:01:55 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:07:21 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-145-187-245.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:07:29 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 09:11:31 >_< 09:12:31 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755261.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:13:03 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925255513.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:16:06 Can someone help with weblocks? 09:17:46 http://paste.lisp.org/display/117293 - class is used for form input, but not in the data view 09:18:36 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:19:33 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:20:11 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-126-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:20:56 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:25:13 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas9-montrealak-1177755088.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 09:25:31 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:50 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:30:14 TeMPOraL [~user@erlang.pnet.com.pl] has joined #lisp 09:30:36 i don't understand why my code becomes a notch slower with (sb-c::insert-array-bounds-checks 0) 09:31:07 err, not a notch, just a little 09:35:09 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:38:51 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:40:15 hlavaty [~user@95-88-27-48-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:40:18 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-optzikbofrpajepl] has left #lisp 09:40:46 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 09:41:45 stassats: how much of a performance difference is there between a notch and a little 09:42:29 Guthur: a whole bunch 09:42:37 -!- m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:43:18 Guthur: a notch is a full distance between markings on bogomips meter, a little is when you noticed the indicator moved :P 09:43:35 a bunch you say, sounds sizeable then 09:43:56 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45:11 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46:29 are bogomips meters capable of measuring a smidge yet 09:46:45 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 09:47:47 m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 09:48:07 Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:49:43 -!- V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:50:37 V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 09:51:24 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:05 Guthur: they tend to be heavily influenced by stray bogons, though, which adds unnecessary fuzzing to computron reading 09:54:03 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:58:47 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 09:59:50 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:59:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:28 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 10:02:30 H4ns` [~user@p579F8860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:20 -!- H4ns [~user@pD4B9E108.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:06:58 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 10:10:26 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:11:39 notsonerdysunny [~chatzilla@121.243.182.185] has joined #lisp 10:11:40 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:11:55 beerpages [~beerpages@port-92-202-18-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:12:05 Erstelle dir deine eigene Umfrage - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/2H/Anti-%22Die%20%C3%84rzte%22%20Kampagne 10:12:09 -!- beerpages [~beerpages@port-92-202-18-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #lisp 10:14:50 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:17:50 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:18:43 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755261.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:57 Can somebody help me with a weblocks question? 10:21:11 no 10:21:47 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 10:22:02 lol 10:23:22 Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:27:40 ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 10:30:04 flip214: your best bet is #weblocks, but i have not had any success there, ever 10:30:05 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 10:30:15 thanks, I'll try 10:32:47 -!- notsonerdysunny [~chatzilla@121.243.182.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:32:59 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 10:36:23 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:36:55 -!- ATH500 [~ATH500@70.35.165.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:37:17 -!- katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:39:14 arbscht [~arbscht@60-234-133-173.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 10:39:19 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@60-234-133-173.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Changing host] 10:39:19 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 10:39:34 katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has joined #lisp 10:42:33 ATH500 [~ATH500@70.35.165.185] has joined #lisp 10:43:10 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-eafhrfulittvwfiy] has joined #lisp 10:44:15 -!- katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:47:20 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:46 tfb [~tfb@92.41.100.175.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:49:56 How can i break up a string like "foo bar buz" in three string '("foo" "bar" "buz")? 10:50:29 use a library like split-sequence 10:50:58 mal__: thanks 10:51:32 http://www.cliki.net/SPLIT-SEQUENCE 10:52:15 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:52:16 got it, thanks 10:52:39 katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has joined #lisp 10:52:53 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A7FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:53:03 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 10:53:23 other question: is asdf-install the prefered way to install such libraries? 10:53:31 (with-input-from-string (stream "foo bar buz") (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable))) (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve) (loop for word = (read stream nil) while word collect (string word)))) => ("foo" "bar" "buz") 10:53:32 ugh 10:53:36 churib: no 10:53:52 cbuild? 10:53:56 quicklisp 10:54:34 what is the prefered way when not using quicklisp? 10:54:48 starting using it 10:54:51 heh! 10:54:53 ASDF-INSTALL 10:55:24 ASDF-INSTALL is dead and starts to smell bad. And doesn't have the momentum of Unix 10:55:28 easyE: let it die in peace 10:56:00 quicklisp is based on clbuild? 10:56:14 nope 10:56:35 clbuild2 integrates quicklisp, but quicklisp is completely separate project, though it is based around ASDF2 10:57:18 asdf2 is okay, asdf smells? 10:57:33 asdf2 is asdf 10:57:35 quicklisp gives monthly snapshots, so sometimes using ASDF-INSTALL is faster as a starting point. 10:58:19 churib: Don't confuse asdf and asdf-install. 10:58:26 churib: They are very different things. 10:58:34 oh, okay 10:58:51 Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 10:58:55 asdf is the "packaging"-system and asdf is the library-install-tool? 10:58:59 Although a version of asdf-install (from SBCL I believe) has shown up in the ASDF2 git repository. 11:00:04 churib: 'asdf-install' is the install tool, yes. 11:00:07 another stupid way: (with-input-from-string (stream (format nil "~a ]" "foo bar buz")) (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable))) (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve) (mapcar #'string (read-delimited-list #\] stream)))) 11:01:18 *churib* has to read a lot know - thanks for help @all 11:01:42 urgs, too advanced for me :) 11:03:18 *stassats* isn't happy that you can't just bind (let ((*readtable-case* :preserve)) ...) 11:04:49 now, for something better: (with-input-from-string (stream (substitute #\Newline #\Space "foo bar buz")) (loop for line = (read-line stream nil) while line collect line)) 11:06:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-119-220.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:07:07 Hm, will try to understand that 11:07:39 the most important thing to understand is that you shouldn't actually use it 11:07:52 -!- Taiyou` [~Taiyou@bas3-toronto47-1242432703.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:01 Hrhr, okay :P 11:08:44 the first two variants would fail on some input 11:10:28 -!- ixor [~g@pool-173-60-208-79.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:25 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:14:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 11:15:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-25-200.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 11:16:06 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host86-147-30-143.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:16:33 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1c:f90d] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:20 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-145-187-245.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:20 -!- jconrad_ is now known as jconrad 11:19:06 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@114.84.198.38] has joined #lisp 11:21:29 -!- Salamander__ is now known as Salamander 11:21:35 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:22:46 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-180-158.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 11:24:15 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has left #lisp 11:29:20 do you use some addons to emacs to highlight common keywords like :if-does-not-exist? 11:30:37 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 11:32:30 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:38 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 11:34:29 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-126-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 11:35:50 do you need to highlight them? 11:36:27 -!- delYsid [~user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 11:36:27 delYsid [~user@debian/developer/mlang] has joined #lisp 11:37:36 stassats: i often misspell them :/ 11:37:48 -!- Ryan__ [~Ryan@174-21-218-67.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:38:02 why not use completion then? 11:40:59 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 11:41:27 stassats: great! double hit on tab does it. 11:41:58 Taiyou` [~Taiyou@bas3-toronto47-1242432703.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 11:42:32 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:20 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:47:51 xan_ [~xan@65.141.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 11:48:49 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 11:53:01 felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #lisp 11:57:33 ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 11:59:20 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: Smoke was slowly rising as the light began to fade] 12:02:08 Fr4Kus_ [~Fr4Kus@116.228.240.106] has joined #lisp 12:05:40 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:06:35 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:10:57 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:38 Someone here to help with a weblocks question? #weblocks is dead. 12:11:39 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:11:49 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 12:11:49 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:12:14 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:12:50 drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has joined #lisp 12:15:33 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.56.177] has joined #lisp 12:17:35 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-eafhrfulittvwfiy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-119-220.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:52 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-oxmvcldvwrepxigm] has joined #lisp 12:20:29 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@erlang.pnet.com.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:21:25 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:00 flip214: ask your question, don't ask to ask it 12:24:27 the last 5 times I just asked I got no answer, so I wanted to see whether there's someone to possibly answer 12:24:44 My question is in http://paste.lisp.org/display/117293 - class is used for form input, but not in the data view 12:25:10 asking your question 5 times is frowned upon 12:28:26 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:28:55 flip214: time to give up on this irc channel and dig down yourself, i guess 12:29:29 well, ok, this was the 3rd time in #lisp ... I was hoping for different time zones 12:29:45 oh well, thanks anyway 12:30:00 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 12:30:03 stassats, even in the course of several hours? 12:30:39 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:31:09 xavierHart [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has joined #lisp 12:31:18 jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 12:31:29 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:32:28 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:34:44 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 12:35:33 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.66.205.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:53 cmm [~cmm@109.66.205.250] has joined #lisp 12:39:38 aurelien [~Libre@fsf/member/aurelien] has joined #lisp 12:40:27 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-155-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:21 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-oxmvcldvwrepxigm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:44 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:51 -!- Fr4Kus_ [~Fr4Kus@116.228.240.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50:42 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host109-153-56-22.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:51:44 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51:55 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-147-30-143.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:56 -!- jconrad_ is now known as jconrad 12:57:29 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 12:58:08 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:58:35 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.194] has joined #lisp 12:59:35 Hi everybody! 12:59:45 hi drl 13:00:06 Hi stassats! 13:00:41 Is #lisp archived somewhere? 13:00:49 minion: please tell drl about logs 13:00:49 drl: direct your attention towards logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 13:01:54 Thanks stassats. 13:02:20 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:04:13 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:43 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:09:48 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:11:54 Jabberwockey [~jgrabarsk@selene.ftk.de] has joined #lisp 13:12:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@65.141.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:16:26 TeMPOraL [~user@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has joined #lisp 13:18:48 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 13:19:55 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:49 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:23:19 johanbev [~johanbev@44.80-203-27.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:22 -!- xavierHart [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:27:36 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:11 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has left #lisp 13:32:49 xinming [~hyy@115.221.5.149] has joined #lisp 13:33:07 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:33:53 -!- H4ns` [~user@p579F8860.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 13:34:42 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 13:35:40 -!- xinming_ [~hyy@115.221.0.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:36 sabalaba [~sabalaba@123.123.4.193] has joined #lisp 13:36:41 rfg [~rfg@client-86-16-215-55.glw-bng-11.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:38:25 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:26 Bronsa [~bronsa@host248-186-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:40:21 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:29 H4ns [~user@p579F8860.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:21 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:41:57 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755261.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:45:52 mek||malloc [~mek@12.230.222.196] has joined #lisp 13:48:35 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-56-22.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:48:36 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51:23 Jakester12345 [~jakester1@CPE-121-217-124-180.lnse2.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:53:33 -!- Jakester12345 [~jakester1@CPE-121-217-124-180.lnse2.cht.bigpond.net.au] has left #lisp 13:54:20 HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-128-134.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:55:02 kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 13:55:13 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1d:cbc8] has joined #lisp 13:56:59 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-19-101.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:57:20 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:26 -!- mek||malloc [~mek@12.230.222.196] has left #lisp 13:59:25 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.56.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:13 dfox_ [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-95.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 14:03:26 -!- johanbev [~johanbev@44.80-203-27.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:03:52 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 14:06:37 Has loopless been added to the quicklisp database yet? 14:06:57 drl: It will be in the next update. 14:07:35 Xach, great! Good to hear that. 14:07:42 -!- prokos [~prokos@173.200.233.195] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 14:07:51 drl: Why? 14:08:00 prokos [~prokos@173.200.233.195] has joined #lisp 14:09:20 carlocci [~nes@93.37.198.55] has joined #lisp 14:09:49 Xach, I want to test it. I guess because code without parentheses is a little confusing to me. 14:10:14 drl: You can test it without it being in Quicklisp very easily. 14:11:03 compmstr [~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:39 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:17 Xach, but not as easily. 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Ex-Chat] 15:31:45 I'm trying to silence SBCL's error notes (warnings are already silenced). It's for genetic programming and I'm catching errors and killing the code myself. SBCL's notes are getting in the way of my own output. 15:34:06 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:21 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-nayadzqqipbbkydv] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:34:36 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-sctipiamdegtbjvj] has joined #lisp 15:35:55 <_8david> aerique: so far so good. What seems to be the problem? 15:36:11 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:36:18 <_8david> You've read http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Controlling-Verbosity.html , I assume? 15:36:36 kiuma [~kiuma@proxykno.emea.fedex.com] has joined #lisp 15:37:45 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:55 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-180-158.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:41 TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@65.196.40.254] has joined #lisp 15:39:32 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:02 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-221-213.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 15:40:19 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:40:43 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:41:32 ymasory [~ymasory@grok.psych.upenn.edu] has joined #lisp 15:42:07 murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.194.114] has joined #lisp 15:42:37 _8david: yes, i've read that. sometimes the code generates an illegal function, for example: (12 2 (- 1 3)) 15:42:54 -!- TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@65.196.40.254] has left #lisp 15:42:55 yakov [~yzaytsev@213.170.102.170] has joined #lisp 15:43:20 i catch that with a handler-case and throw the code away 15:43:55 but SBCL still prints a note when evalling it 15:44:18 you mean when compiling? 15:44:24 yes 15:45:08 <_8david> how about the usual (handler-bind ((sb-ext:compiler-note #'muffle-warning)) ...)? 15:46:34 i think aerique is talking about an message produced from within unwind-protect somewhere inside the compiler 15:46:48 (handler-case (eval '(12 2 (- 1 3))) (t (e) e)) ; compilation unit aborted ; caught 1 fatal ERROR condition # 15:47:34 yes thanks, it's the printed note that i want to get rid of(f?) 15:48:06 -!- Hun [~Hun@80.81.19.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:07 <_8david> I have no idea what all the weird trickery in EVAL's compiled implementation is about. Personally I'd just use (funcall (compile nil `(lambda () ,form))) instead of (eval form). 15:49:27 that will be the same 15:49:41 <_8david> no, in that case aerique's handling-case works. 15:50:19 handler case only works on conditions, not on plain-text messages 15:51:23 and eval in the general case will be expanded into (funcall (compile nil `(lambda () ,form))) anyway 15:51:51 <_8david> ... I've tried it ... 15:52:20 have you? (handler-case (compile nil '(lambda () (12 2 (- 1 3)))) (t (e) e)) ; compilation unit aborted ; caught 1 fatal ERROR condition # 15:53:22 <_8david> aha. I've tried it incorrectly. :-) 15:54:44 thanks for the help so far :) i'll head for the sbcl mailing list this weekend then 15:55:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:27 if only (handler-case (let ((*error-output* (make-broadcast-stream))) (compile nil '(lambda () (12 2 (- 1 3))))) (t (e) e)) 15:56:15 it's originates here http://git.boinkor.net/gitweb/sbcl.git/blob/HEAD:/src/compiler/main.lisp#l330 15:56:29 stassats: awesome, thanks 15:56:49 -!- Jabberwockey [~jgrabarsk@selene.ftk.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:42 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 15:57:53 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:00:13 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 16:00:35 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:23 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03:42 stassats: okey, after some more extensive testing still no compiler notes. thanks again 16:04:44 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 16:09:05 bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:09:46 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755261.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:19 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-kjfsudelocoftbkz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:43 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:04 rdd` [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 16:15:47 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:18:10 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-147-30-174.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:18:34 udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-aemabarwvkyydkwt] has joined #lisp 16:19:04 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@205.233.9.181] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 16:19:20 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.56.177] has joined #lisp 16:20:45 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-sctipiamdegtbjvj] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:28 phao [~phao@189.107.238.236] has joined #lisp 16:21:51 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 16:23:31 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-163-17-181.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:25:00 -!- dfox_ [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-95.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:55 -!- wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:25:59 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-aemabarwvkyydkwt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:25 -!- phao [~phao@189.107.238.236] has left #lisp 16:29:25 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host109-153-44-127.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:31:19 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host86-163-17-181.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31:19 -!- jconrad_ is now known as jconrad 16:33:14 -!- ASau [~user@95-28-62-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:51 ASau [~user@95-28-62-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:35:05 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:35:31 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-44-127.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:28 HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-128-134.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:36:44 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 16:39:18 aricshow [~aric@9.sub-75-202-183.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 16:40:33 prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-34-153.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 16:40:38 jomat [~jomat@2001:470:9935::badc:ab1e] has joined #lisp 16:41:42 aurelien [~Libre@fsf/member/aurelien] has joined #lisp 16:42:24 How to get url parameters from Hunchentoot web page after submiting a form ? 16:43:33 prljavi_hari: hunchentoot:parameter? 16:43:36 prljavi_hari: HUNCHENTOOT:PARAMETER is one way 16:43:37 prljavi_hari: check the docs 16:43:44 prljavi_hari: http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/ has good info. 16:43:47 prljavi_hari: have a look at the hunchentoot-test server. 16:44:07 prljavi_hari: it is included with the distribution and shows many features and how they are used. 16:44:17 thanks 16:44:55 stassats: it's dangerous handling anything more general than ERROR, because not all conditions are errors, and some non-ERROR conditions can be used by the implementation internaally. Eg. some implementations use conditions to handle signals or user interrupts. 16:46:05 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:26 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:12 ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 16:49:26 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.66.205.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:26 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-66-205-250.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:36 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.56.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:01 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:51 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:53:18 drl: Do you mean CLIM3? I am working mostl on SICL these days, so CLIM3 hasn't made any progress for a while. 16:53:29 -!- Guthur [c0c1f50f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.245.15] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:31 [and Good evening everyone!] 16:54:14 -!- prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-34-153.xnet.hr] has left #lisp 16:55:03 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-128-229.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:36 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 17:02:43 -!- oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:37 oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:50 srolls [~user@c-76-126-221-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:56 jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-43-169.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:08:10 -!- hlavaty [~user@95-88-27-48-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:57 *Xach* wonders why people submit questions simultaneously to high-latency forums and low-latency forums instead of submitting to the latter first, waiting a moment, and then the former if no response in the latter 17:09:31 they are too impatient? 17:11:54 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12:02 it's not their time that is possibly wasted answering their question on the slower forums, after all 17:12:35 *Xach* has seen simultaneous mailing list, stack overflow, and irc prongs 17:13:04 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:13:35 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:50 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-43-169.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:11 b-man_ [~b-man@187.112.68.145] has joined #lisp 17:25:24 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:25:47 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@proxykno.emea.fedex.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:31:23 Ryan_ [~Ryan@174-21-131-54.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:56 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 17:35:14 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 17:35:24 aricshow_ [~aric@23.sub-75-202-241.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:21 Is there a macro to destructure structs? 17:36:34 sadeness [~zebadaia@altlinux/developer/sadeness] has joined #lisp 17:37:06 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-150-85-118.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:37:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:37:17 -!- oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:37:30 no 17:38:23 -!- aricshow [~aric@9.sub-75-202-183.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:38:30 drdo: with-slots 17:38:32 (well, in some implementations with-slots actually works with structures) 17:39:06 Xach: thanks 17:39:47 cmm: Why might any do otherwise? 17:40:05 because slot-value isn't specified to work on structures 17:40:13 what he said 17:40:21 -!- churib [~churib@dslc-082-082-126-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:40:25 Kerrick [~Kerrick@b40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 17:40:27 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:21 TeMPOraL [~user@fje33.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:42:28 pjb, stassats: nikodemus has written a nice summary of how to signal and handle conditions a while ago. I suggest you check it out. 17:42:45 he makes good use of serious-condition, which I hadn't known about previously 17:44:17 antifuchs: only i wasn't doing anything with conditions 17:44:44 stassats: good then. still worth a read, if you are interested 17:44:53 kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has joined #lisp 17:45:08 the problem was with sbcl compiler using just FORMAT inside unwind-protect to print notes 17:45:08 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47:24 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-181.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:48:00 -!- aricshow_ [~aric@23.sub-75-202-241.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:23 *stassats* notes about using serious-condition 17:48:41 aricshow [~aric@23.sub-75-202-241.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 17:49:49 Sometimes high latency channels give quick answers too... 17:49:51 -!- az [~az@p4FE4F5C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 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built by iolib 18:49:46 no 18:50:54 There's a libfixposix.asd and stuff. 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Gnuplot doesn't know how to handle CL double representation, i.e. numbers like 1.3d4 (or is it just the representation of the implementation I'm using?). does anyone know a somewhat "portable" ascii representation of decimal numbers? 19:28:18 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 19:28:44 try (format t "~g" number)? 19:31:55 stassats: for 1.2d-100 it gives 1.2d-100. Gnuplot seems to represent both floats and doubles using "e" for the exponent.. I doubt gnuplot's representation is "standard", actually, I'm wondering if any "standard" printed representation exists for floats/doubles 19:32:24 clhs ~g 19:32:24 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_ccc.htm 19:34:42 stassats: quite powerful :-) 19:36:09 (format t "~,,,,,,'ee" pi) 19:36:47 (out (:f pi :mode :exponential :exponent-char #\e)) 19:36:48 :) 19:37:44 adeht: but that's too sensible 19:38:17 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:39:34 -!- xan_ [~xan@65.141.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:40:19 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 19:40:34 lc 19:40:39 oops. 19:40:48 craiggles: ... plan9? :) 19:40:53 -!- drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:00 heh i was meant to type /c 19:41:06 ah 19:41:55 the usual mistaken command I typed into IRC seems to be either cd or ls, and lc is quite related Plan9 one :) 19:41:57 so 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basic, heh. http://pastie.org/1345939 23:26:09 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.233.201] has left #lisp 23:26:37 <_3b> the body of the LET should be indented relative to the LET, not the LOOP 23:27:41 ah i see, well i know it's part of the let but okay, would it be best to have let on a separate line to loop? just i dont like indenting 4 spaces. 23:27:44 drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 23:28:03 <_3b> you only know that because you just wrote it 23:28:13 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-105-24.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 23:28:15 yeah, true. 23:28:30 http://pastie.org/1345939 .. however i dont really like that, i might go with the orig but indented more. 23:29:11 http://pastie.org/1345939 .. so this is what is considered the best layout? 23:29:38 <_3b> either of those last 2 is OK 23:29:59 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050065242.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:31:58 *_3b* would probably just use extended LOOP for the whole thing though 23:32:07 (loop for x = (print (1+ (random rand))) until (eql x rand)) 23:32:39 ah nice adeht, you see i dont know much lisp atm. 23:34:15 -!- kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:19 emacs+slime should help with indentation btw 23:34:30 -!- sadeness_ [~zebadaia@altlinux/developer/sadeness] has quit [Quit: so long and thank you for fish!] 23:34:31 i don't use emacs. 23:34:32 -!- y3llow is now known as y3llow_ 23:34:39 -!- y3llow_ is now known as y3llow 23:34:51 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: cheers!] 23:36:30 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:36:32 -!- y3llow is now known as y3llow_ 23:37:11 -!- y3llow_ is now known as y3llow 23:38:14 Is it possible to bind multiple values in LOOP? 23:38:25 sure 23:38:37 as in multiple-value-bind 23:38:57 <_3b> for (a b c) = (multiple-value-list ...) 23:39:32 I see, thanks 23:40:43 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-156-5.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:42:15 -!- cinch [~cinch@unaffiliated/cinch] has left #lisp 23:44:07 -!- Ryan_ [~Ryan@174-21-131-54.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:44:31 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-2-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:44:40 Is there a way to change the default string representation of an object, like a hash table? 23:44:55 A list of ~30 " # 23:45:04 ...isn't so helpful :) 23:46:16 -!- austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:18 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.198.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:46:32 -!- y3llow [~y3llow@111-240-214-134.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:50 I guess you could specialise the printer method specifically on hash-table. 23:46:59 rfg [~rfg@host81-102-105-24.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:31 craiggles: If you're just starting out, loop is not the first mountain to climb. It's crazy. 23:47:40 Fade: Where would I look into doing that? 23:47:52 print-object? 23:48:45 the generic is called print-object 23:48:47 Looks like it 23:49:08 (defmethod print-object ((something hash-table) stream ) ... ) 23:49:27 -!- eppa [~mch@124-168-80-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:49:36 the implementation is left as an excercise for the reader. :) 23:50:10 Haha 23:50:10 defining print-object for hash-tables isn't something you should do 23:50:14 Bless M-. 23:50:23 adeht: eh..... why? 23:50:27 That's not what I want to hear... 23:50:32 better encapsulate the hash-table in your own structure or class 23:50:59 if you just want to pretty-print it in a certain way there's set-pprint-dispatch, of course. 23:51:05 I agree with adeht, fwiw, but it seems to me that print-object was put there for precisely the reason you appear to want. 23:51:47 adeht: a defstruct or defclass would be better? 23:52:02 *seangrove* goes off to check out set-pprint-dispatch 23:53:27 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:56:19 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:35 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-2-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 23:56:52 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:59 carlocci [~nes@93.37.198.55] has joined #lisp 23:57:57 adeht: I'm curious about why I shouldn't define print-object for hash-tables - is it because of the issues it creates for others using my code?