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Can I return to the end of the previous line and in doing so remove all the whitespace from this point to that point? 00:08:30 (Without hitting C-SPC C-p C-e DEL) 00:08:53 (And then DEL DEL DEL DEL...) 00:11:16 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-19-101.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:30 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 00:11:48 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:45 I guess you could write a function that keeps killing backwards until it stops hitting whitespace and then binf it to your backspace key. *shrug* 00:12:54 s/binf/bind/ 00:13:58 Cin: You could also try #emacs for Emacs-related questions 00:15:09 Yeah, I could write a function to do it but I was pondering if there might already be a whole minor mode dedicated to it somewhere. I'll ask in #emacs when I get the courage. Thanks. 00:15:59 It's a friendly place, and I'm sorry that I'm too ignorant to help you more. 00:16:56 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:16:59 Cin: in paredit, just pressing ) will do that 00:18:07 True 00:20:11 Xach: Ah, crap. I just tried it. 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eventually IE will rot and die] 01:36:12 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-119-223.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:01 is there any scheme s-expression that CL would have a problem accepting as an atom list? 01:43:50 -!- V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:45:14 V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 01:46:58 pnq [~nick@ACA4380C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 01:48:13 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Quit:] 01:50:34 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 01:50:46 devinus: Yes, a boolean value. 01:51:27 nyef: damn, you're right 01:51:50 You can use a custom readtable on the CL side to paper that over, though. 01:52:49 nyef: hrm, would you recommend that or actually custom parsing the scheme (im making a scheme interpreter) 01:53:50 I'd use a custom readtable to generate the true and false values your interpreter uses 01:54:31 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:55:09 My general rule for parsing tasks is to first see if I can persuade the standard reader to do the job, then write a custom parser if it can't. 01:55:54 devinus: depends: is it for a quick interactive hack, or do you need reliability, error detection and user friendliness? 01:56:00 It usually can't, but that's partly the limitations of the reader as specified and partly the languages I usually try to parse. 01:58:16 http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net .. is this an alright website to be observing code from? just i dont want to be learning bad practice lisp 01:58:17 pkhuong_: well, it's going to be a full fledged r5r6 implementation when i'm done 02:03:14 devinus: if one of the goals is interop w/ CL, then a readtable might make sense. 02:03:17 devinus: Another question, if you're going that route, is if you want to do a quick-and-dirty job of parsing to start with so you can move on to other stuff with the expectation of going back later to do it "right" or not. 02:03:20 r5 or r6? 02:03:45 -!- onteria [~onteria@rrcs-74-62-144-90.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:05 rsr6 02:04:23 r6rs 02:04:56 i'm probably starting with just the rrs 02:05:31 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:38 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-41-11.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:06:57 You can easily get away with r4rs + define-macro. 02:09:35 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-52-228.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:56 -!- TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@124-148-48-58.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:45 TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@203-214-90-134.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 02:13:24 -!- Avisch [~Avisch@cpe-24-93-16-141.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:13:36 -!- Yuuhi 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Something about it being at some point ante-meridian in France. 04:00:34 -!- mejja [~chatzilla@c-5bb9e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 04:01:03 ri-i-ight.. 04:01:58 -!- snorble_ [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:03:56 *beach* checks how mega1 is doing... 04:04:15 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 04:04:32 Yey, he's back on top! 04:05:03 snorble_ [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 04:06:08 onteria [~onteria@rrcs-74-62-144-90.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:10:45 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 04:10:48 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:13:32 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-217-160-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:18:37 -!- jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:19:53 -!- az [~az@p5796CEE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:20:48 beach: Who's on top of what? 04:20:58 oh 04:26:45 az [~az@p4FE4FD29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:28:22 dberg [~user@c-98-234-179-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:16 kanru [~kanru@61-228-156-180.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:32:10 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 04:38:02 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:38:28 caelan [~caelan@gnu/webmaster/caelan] has joined #lisp 04:39:43 schmrkc: mega1 of the Google AI challenge. 04:41:36 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-141-122.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:43:27 schmrkc: There is very little time left, and mega1 has consistently been on top, but from time to time, he slips a bit, and so I check it several times a day. 04:44:01 schmrkc: I am also interested because of the entries from University of Bordeaux, because those are students in my department. 04:46:00 schmrkc: If you click on the French flag, you'll get a dose of ancient rivalry here in France, between Bordeaux and Toulouse. In addition, you get a dose of ancient rivalry between universities and engineering schools. :) 04:46:09 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:49:13 Entries which are deemed to violate the spirit of fair and sportsmanlike competition will be disqualified without any opportunity for appeal. In particular, memory scanning, intentionally losing games, and behavior conditional on the opponent's identity are prohibited. 04:49:23 "intetionally losing games" 04:49:25 what? why? 04:49:39 oh, nevermind 04:49:41 drdo: Detect that your opponent is your friend, and lose. 04:49:50 yes, just realised that 04:51:52 Why does lisp get an implementation from 3 years ago? 04:52:54 drdo: I think it's good that Lisp is in at all. 04:53:51 beach: You'd expect it to be the main language since everyone goes around mumbling how lisp is a language for AI 04:53:54 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:13 drdo: I don't think I have seen any such mumbling from Google. 04:54:32 drdo: And I haven't seen very much such mumbling at all for the past few decades. 04:54:46 lisp for ai is old, indeed 04:55:44 bigjust_ [~bigjust@justin.caratzas.org] has joined #lisp 04:56:17 -!- bigjust_ is now known as bigjust 04:59:08 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:00:00 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-71-161-73-208.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 05:00:44 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:06:19 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-0-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07:53 -!- antgreen` [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:08:00 -!- sadeness [~vik@CPE00222dcb228f-CM00222dcb228b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:10:22 Makoryu [~bloodgog@ool-4a599a98.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 05:11:23 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:25:33 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:30:58 -!- davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37:56 -!- Makoryu [~bloodgog@ool-4a599a98.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 05:41:07 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-237-42.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41:21 -!- sandwich [~user@c-76-24-27-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:43 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:48:05 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:54:08 xavierHart [~xavierHar@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has joined #lisp 05:54:27 xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@218.82.57.220] has joined #lisp 05:56:34 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@218.82.57.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:59:45 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 06:00:41 hmm, is there no cl twitter implementation that supports OAuth? 06:01:40 there should be one, but i don't recall which one it is 06:04:46 onteria: https://github.com/fons/cl-twitter Think this is it... 06:05:25 redline6561: aha, there we go. 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Thanks. 07:02:38 (loop for symbol being the symbol in :cl when (and (fboundp symbol) (special-operator-p symbol)) collect symbol) 07:03:24 holy crap, LOOPery 07:06:53 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:09:00 stassats: Lovely! 07:09:13 does that actually work? 07:09:24 it shouldn't? 07:10:00 cmm [~cmm@109.64.201.45] has joined #lisp 07:10:14 stassats: i don't know. 07:10:25 stassats: It should give a warning saying you should have said iether "the symbols" or "each symbol" :) 07:10:32 all before "when" looks like a joke :> 07:10:33 *either 07:10:55 zvrba: Nah, it looks like COBOL. 07:10:58 :) 07:11:05 beach: why? 07:11:25 i hesitate to learn using loop.. it's way too close to english, yet i know it isn't 07:11:37 i wonder what kind of error messages you get when you mess up 07:11:49 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A0CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:03 stassats: Aw! Forget about it! It was a joke! Plural ending of symbols, you know. 07:12:21 zvrba: Don't hesitate anymore. Do it! 07:12:39 i did 07:12:43 beach: i actually dislike that property of the loop 07:12:47 (loop for symbol in :cl collect cymbol) 07:12:51 value of type list expected 07:13:03 where you can say either count or counting 07:13:22 stassats: I pretty much agree with you. 07:13:24 loop just looks plain scary to me 07:13:32 i always use the shortest thing 07:13:38 is loop turing-complete? 07:14:06 hm. use loop to find first N primes :P 07:14:17 your question doesn't make sense 07:14:23 i know 07:14:33 i realized that just after i've written it 07:14:34 LOOP is an iteration construct of a turing complete language 07:15:02 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B3271DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:16:05 beach: clisp says "WARNING: LOOP: After THE a plural loop keyword is required, not SYMBOL" 07:16:21 but that's a bug 07:16:44 because it's not required 07:18:43 Is there any hard and fast function of finding the key with the highest value and returning it? 07:18:53 no 07:19:01 how could it be, hashes do not sort their elements 07:19:29 So I'll have to iterate through it myself? 07:19:32 yes 07:19:35 no 07:19:40 alternatively, use a different data structure 07:20:02 hashes are not designed to return smallest/largest keys fast ("fast" = faster than visiting every element) 07:20:06 Are there any which have similarities to the key/value structure of hashes? 07:20:15 balanced trees 07:20:28 Thanks :P. 07:20:33 they're not included in CL, and I don't know of any packages which implement them 07:20:37 Neurotron: you can set aside your largest element 07:20:52 whenever you update your hashtable 07:21:19 stassats: Oh yeah. Never thought of that. Lol. 07:22:26 But I'll have to declare a temporary variable to hold the previous large value for comparison with the next? 07:22:28 stassats: incidentally, ARE there any sorted dictionary packages for lisp? 07:22:37 stassats: (AVL tree, RB tree, BTree9? 07:23:01 minion: trees? 07:23:03 trees: TREES provides several binary tree data structures exposed through a uniform CLOS interface. http://www.cliki.net/trees 07:23:14 thanks! 07:24:03 -15degC out there and I have to go out and buy some food for the weekend. wee! :D 07:24:41 Can I paste code here? 07:24:54 no 07:24:55 read the topic 07:25:11 paste to http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 07:25:34 stassats: Thanks 07:25:35 -9°C, great weather for running outdoors 07:26:12 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA4380C.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:15 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 07:34:49 duncant [~duncant@c-71-206-170-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:17 stassats: Hey, I meant that as a joke! :) 07:35:54 stassats: Yes, definitely not a warning. Perhaps a style warning. 07:36:42 Neurotron: You can use a priority queue in parallel with your hash table. 07:44:40 -!- quodlibetor [~user@user-12lc7vm.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:48:40 ? 07:50:28 Neurotron: A priority queue is an abstract data type with operations "insert" and "delete-min". It can be implemented using a concrete data type known as a heap, with O(log n) complexity of the operations. If you use that in parallel with your hash table, you get what you need. 07:51:00 -!- duncant [~duncant@c-71-206-170-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:53:40 -!- xavierHart [~xavierHar@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:58:48 How do I use that in parallel? 08:00:06 Neurotron: i would try storing key-value pairs as nodes in the queue and sorting on the keys 08:00:21 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:36 or just storing keys in the queue, since you're using a hashtable 08:00:51 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 08:01:28 Ok, good idea. Thanks! 08:07:27 Jubb [~ghost@24-151-24-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 08:09:39 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 08:11:19 jconrad [~jconrad@host109-156-3-208.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:12:32 xavierHart [~xavierHar@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has joined #lisp 08:15:42 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-51-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:18:13 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:18:57 -!- xavierHart [~xavierHar@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:19:00 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-9-90.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19:00 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:20:32 -!- Jubb [~ghost@24-151-24-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:23:18 -!- caelan [~caelan@gnu/webmaster/caelan] has quit [Quit: That's all, folks!] 08:29:17 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 08:33:30 bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.136.255] has joined #lisp 08:33:44 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.136.255] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:16 xavierHart [~xavierHar@gateway/tor-sasl/xavierhart] has joined #lisp 08:38:01 spratt [~user@CPE0014bf3f85af-CM00080d79b684.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 08:42:09 Why is it that I cannot modify a global variable when I call a function? Must I explicitly reference to the variable? 08:42:57 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: mstevens] 08:42:59 Yes. 08:43:10 Neurotron: arguments are passed by value only in lisp. 08:43:34 pjb: How do I explicitly reference to the variable? :P 08:43:44 By naming it. 08:43:53 Can you show me an example? 08:44:02 (defvar *var*) (defun f (new-value) (setf *var* new-value)) 08:44:30 Oh I see. 08:44:58 But can I set *var* to something more general? 08:45:08 As in like I can choose any variable. 08:45:19 *Global 08:46:13 If you want, you may also simulate parameter passing by reference, using closures. See for example: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/63b8eb7ee001c7b8?hl=en 08:46:26 Thanks! 08:46:56 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-167-97.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 08:47:12 (defun f (*var value) (setf (deref *val) value)) (f (& *var1*) val1) (f (& *var2*) val2) 08:48:03 Neurotron: in general, we don't need to do that, because most lisp objects are mutable. 08:48:15 You can change the values directly, instead of changing the variables. 08:48:23 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:48:45 (defvar *var* (make-array 3)) (defun f (a) (setf (aref a 0) 1)) (f *var*) 08:50:21 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 08:50:26 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 08:56:11 SecretAgent [sa@98.143.158.28] has joined #lisp 08:58:05 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 08:58:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 08:58:05 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 08:58:34 pjb: So by using aref I can explicitly reference to the variable? 09:08:42 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:10:09 edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:10:24 what this error means "READ failure in COMPILE-FILE at character 201: end of file on # your file ended before it should 09:11:12 ended means in code ? 09:11:38 yes 09:12:08 ok 09:12:36 *kushal* goes to look for closing parenthesis 09:13:55 kushal: Go to the beginning of the file. Repeatedly do M-C-f. The process with stop when you find an opening parenthesis with no corresponding closing one. 09:14:18 oh let me try 09:14:57 awesome magic :) 09:15:00 beach, thanks 09:15:12 No problme. 09:15:14 *lem 09:15:33 rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-218-51-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:27:38 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:38:51 aurelien [~Libre@fsf/member/aurelien] has joined #lisp 09:39:07 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754388.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:43:03 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@211.101.128.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46:24 rillo2 [~rillo2@p57B838B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:01:35 H4ns` [~user@p579F8F47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:04:04 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 10:05:32 -!- H4ns [~user@p579F8587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:10:00 unicode [~user@82.Red-213-97-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:16:37 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@adsl-33-40-124.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:58 ace4016 [~ace4016@adsl-33-40-124.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 10:20:33 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@61.99.46.4] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:21:16 -!- unicode [~user@82.Red-213-97-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:21:30 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-192-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:22:02 unicode [~user@82.Red-213-97-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:23:22 -!- unicode [~user@82.Red-213-97-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:25:09 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-192-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:53 -!- az [~az@p4FE4FD29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 10:30:04 hansef [~hansef@c-24-21-202-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:32:46 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 10:32:59 m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 10:38:27 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 10:39:17 kanru [~kanru@61-228-156-180.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 10:42:06 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 10:43:32 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 10:44:36 -!- jhuni [~jhuni@udp217774uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:20 nmg [~nick@dsl78-143-208-98.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:47:18 kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:48:19 unicode [~user@82.Red-213-97-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:31 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 10:50:59 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: edlinde] 10:51:50 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:56:31 Neurotron: not at all. AREF is used to reference a slot in an array. You could also do: (defvar *var* (make-list 3)) (defun f (a) (setf (elt a 0) 1)) (f *var*) 10:57:27 Guthur [~Guthur@host86-146-24-185.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:58:21 Neurotron: what happens, as I said, is that the VALUE of the vaariable is passed to the function, which binds it to its parameter, then if that value is a mutable value, the function can modify it using one of the mutators of the value. (setf aref) for arrays, (setf nth) for lists, rplaca / rplacd for cons cells, etc. 10:59:03 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 11:00:37 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:02:29 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:34 _mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:03:52 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 11:05:33 fgump [~gump@vpn2-029.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:10:00 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@stu193.queens.ox.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:11:27 hi, i would to make a function that get some *args* from linux comand line, and then sum 11:12:16 (reduce #'+ (cdr sb-ext:*posix-argv*) :key #'parse-integer) 11:13:24 assuming sbcl, that is 11:13:25 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754388.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:01 i'm using (learning) clisp 11:17:19 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:17:30 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 11:17:32 -!- fgump [~gump@vpn2-029.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20:08 not running on clisp: *** - READ from #: there is no package with name "SB-EXT" 11:20:56 it shouldn't 11:22:43 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:22:44 unicode, sb-ext: is SBCL specific 11:23:18 right. i would to do that on clisp 11:24:37 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.64.201.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:25:43 cmm [~cmm@109.64.201.45] has joined #lisp 11:27:06 unicode: read clisp manual regarding arguments 11:27:31 unicode: ext:*args* 11:32:39 lhz: #! /usr/bin/clisp 11:32:39 (reduce #'+ (ext:*args*)) 11:32:41 ? 11:34:24 why are you asking lhz? can't you try it? 11:35:01 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 11:36:53 don't run 11:37:06 it should give you an error message 11:37:21 and you should read it and figure out what you did wrong 11:37:40 *** - EVAL: undefined function *ARGS* 11:38:15 perhaps it's a variable, not a function? 11:39:25 Ahh I love the smell of EVIL in the morning. 11:42:50 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-192-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:43:45 stassats: i think so 11:48:28 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:27 thanks, but i can't find it 11:50:37 what can't you find? 11:54:15 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54:44 i'll try to do a simple evaluation template, ie; ./sumthat.lsp 3 5 7 11:58:39 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:59:20 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 12:00:12 you were given all the pieces you need to accomplish that, what problems do you have? 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12:22:40 i doubt there is one 12:23:49 -!- hansef [~hansef@c-24-21-202-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hansef] 12:24:59 :( 12:27:37 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 12:27:46 and you're not the first wondering this week 12:28:14 -!- abugosh [~Adium@64-121-86-146.c3-0.tlg-ubr2.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:28:32 Neurotron [~Neurotron@124.155.195.7] has joined #lisp 12:28:46 abugosh [~Adium@64-121-86-146.c3-0.tlg-ubr2.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:29:14 *p_l|home* would prefer a JESS channel for now 12:29:40 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@61.99.46.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:41 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 12:30:33 -!- unicode [~user@82.Red-213-97-32.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:17 jewel [~jewel@196.210.134.67] has joined #lisp 12:32:44 anyone likes CLIPS discussion - join #clips ! 12:33:00 -!- Neurotron [~Neurotron@124.155.195.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:28 clips? 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13:03:38 -!- abugosh [~Adium@64-121-86-146.c3-0.tlg-ubr2.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:04:15 (delete #\o "foobar") => "fbar" 13:04:56 pr: Can I delete by position? 13:05:01 pr: Like (delete (nth x list) list) 13:05:34 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 13:06:53 Does SBCL have anything like CLISPs (posix:resolve-host-ipaddr )? 13:06:53 (remove-if (constantly t) list :start n :count 1) 13:07:35 jconrad: sb-bsd-sockets:get-host-by-name 13:08:00 Neurotron: DELETE is destructive while REMOVE isn't 13:08:27 stassats: Thanks! 13:09:10 stassats: Thanks 13:09:14 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:11:05 Neurotron: if you what you want is destructive behaviour, there's also delete-if 13:11:07 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:11:29 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 13:12:14 but don't forget that you still should the return value of delete, don't rely on the destructiveness 13:16:42 Ok :) 13:19:21 clop2 [~jared@99-23-192-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:02 Guthur_ [~Guthur@host86-146-24-185.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:00 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-141-119.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:05 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 13:23:28 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host86-146-24-185.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:24:35 -!- van7hu [~van7hu@113.185.1.61] has left #lisp 13:25:25 -!- nmg [~nick@dsl78-143-208-98.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has left #lisp 13:25:33 nmg [~nick@dsl78-143-208-98.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:26:14 14 13:27:33 schmrkc: are you sure? 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one could always just return a list of values. 14:13:01 because you can do that without allocation a list on the heap 14:13:12 zvrba: because it allows you to return one "primary" value and ignore the rest unless you need them 14:13:39 ok 14:16:43 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-141-122.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:17:14 homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-54-198.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:19:00 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-54-198.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:19:01 craiggle1 [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 14:19:04 jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:19:16 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:17 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:19:32 sadeness [~vik@CPE00222dcb228f-CM00222dcb228b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:20:12 there, finally got swank over ssh + remote file compilation working. 14:20:14 sixpoint8 [~jaykub@ip68-12-204-131.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:22:59 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 14:24:06 -!- craiggle1 [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:24:35 tobik [~tobik@p54897F93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:37 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 14:27:40 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:03 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30:17 stassats: Absolutely positive about the 14. 14:32:37 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-54-198.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:33:00 zvrba: multiple return values are quite useful in the case of hash-tables, for example. If all you got was the return value NIL would that mean there was no key found, or that NIL was the value returned by the key? :) 14:34:00 schmrkc: you could return (cons nil t) 14:34:25 stassats: Of course, but it would be annoying :) 14:34:47 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:52 -!- clop2 [~jared@99-23-192-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:00 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 14:36:15 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: edlinde] 14:37:13 djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:15 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:52 djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:40:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.20] 14:41:55 dlowe 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worked 16:14:40 It runs ecl with gdb and when the libary call happens I'm transferred to step line by line within the c file 16:14:57 I meant "within gdb" 16:14:59 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-66-233.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:15:59 francogrex: you might be interested in doors project: https://github.com/Lovesan/doors 16:16:00 but i'm no wiser to why my cffi prog is not working (or why it is working depending how you look at it) 16:16:16 (not related to CFFI itself) 16:16:33 p_l|home: seems interesting 16:16:54 so here I am: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117080 16:17:57 I get the array data transfer from the "IN" to "OUT" correctly but to the file it is printing garbage ! 16:18:03 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-147-105.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:20:25 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-152-105.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 16:21:14 p_l|home: they're very spartan when it comes to documentation and examples still on that site 16:23:30 Jasko 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I don't know; I thought (cffi:foreign-alloc :string ... would be equivalent 16:26:26 I'll try the other one now 16:26:38 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 16:32:33 urandom__ [~user@p548A3AC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:19 -!- tobik [~tobik@p54897F93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 16:34:49 it's a list of strings so I used something like (defparameter mylist (list (cffi:foreign-string-alloc "one")... and then (defparameter IN (cffi:foreign-alloc :pointer :initial-contents mylist)) ... it transfers the content of IN to OUT but still prints rubbish to the file 16:35:38 pointers make me sick! 16:36:07 -!- _mathrick is now known as mathrick 16:37:55 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.64.201.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:11 why is N a pointer, and why isn't str a double pointer then? 16:39:08 cmm [~cmm@109.64.201.45] has joined #lisp 16:40:08 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:42:16 that's what I was thinking just now: str should be a souble pointer 16:42:18 double 16:42:38 -!- davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:42:41 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:42:45 ret also 16:43:26 anyway... I'll just take a break and continue watching the movie "into the wild" 16:44:11 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-66-233.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 16:45:08 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.54.240] has quit [Quit: back later] 16:46:18 but pointers are pretty wild too! 16:46:33 especially three-star 16:46:56 typedefs involving pointers are funnier 16:46:57 Four star! 16:47:18 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-66-233.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:56:06 jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:57:31 carlocci [~nes@93.37.222.8] has joined #lisp 16:59:05 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 16:59:21 If anyone is interested on how to set it up I did a writeup on remote slime over ssh: http://onteria.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/remote-slime-integration-with-emacs/ 16:59:39 jeti [~user@p548EB2A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:46 It includes how to handle pathname translation for compilation of remote files 17:03:26 bitumen 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hi all 18:22:36 Just read 'Land of Lisp' 18:23:01 ikki [~ikki@189.247.114.16] has joined #lisp 18:23:58 I liked it. Not very extensive, but a good intro. 18:24:22 john__: Did you know lisp before? 18:24:31 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@225-87-252-216-static.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:24:33 -!- hansef [~hansef@c-24-21-202-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hansef] 18:24:45 I have programmed it for 10 years.. 18:25:04 john__: Sorry I didn't know. :) 18:25:55 loxs [~loxs@78.90.124.179] has joined #lisp 18:26:35 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.88.74] has joined #lisp 18:26:46 You might know me as younder 18:27:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:07 john__: I'm afraid I know very few people in here. 18:27:56 just as well 18:28:40 -!- rukowen [~thehien@123.20.11.130] has left #lisp 18:29:33 http://home.gethome.no/jthing/index.html 18:32:22 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-87-43.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:25 -!- john__ [~john@212.251.245.153] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:37:26 -!- Amadiro 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What I do is select lisp path, chose CLISP.EXE, but nothing happens when I try to run the code. Ty. 18:51:51 (windows 7) 18:52:04 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:01 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 18:53:19 tcr1 [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:26 djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:57:02 -!- freik is now known as freiksenet 18:57:05 ivan4th [~ivan4th@213.141.132.14] has joined #lisp 18:58:24 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:25 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.209.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:58:42 gapeme [mao@lost.my.eye.rs] has joined #lisp 18:59:01 scode_ [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has joined #lisp 18:59:04 -!- gonzojive_ [~red@adsl-75-6-248-33.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:59:14 Zephyrus__ [~emanuele@zephyrus.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:18 -!- Zephyrus__ [~emanuele@zephyrus.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:59:18 Zephyrus__ [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 18:59:55 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 19:00:05 what do you mean with `select lisp path'? 19:00:08 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.184.10] has joined #lisp 19:00:14 loy22: By LispIDE you mean emacs? 19:00:14 lispm [~lispm@g224120213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:00:18 -!- morphling_ [~stefan@gssn-5f754388.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:43 karbak_ [~akr@kar.vps.bitfolk.com] has joined #lisp 19:02:44 vert2_ [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-hovxmmlokzkbbesb] has joined #lisp 19:02:44 johs_ [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 19:02:46 Koven [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #lisp 19:03:33 drdo: LispIDE on Windows 7. I learn mostly in the REPL with Land of Lisp, but as I go deeper and deeper in the book I feel the need for some basic editor functions like parens recognition. I dont know how to setup a Lisp path so I can send my code directly in the REPL 19:03:49 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:04:10 loy22: I would suggest you Emacs + SLIME + paredit 19:04:12 this is the first programming language I learn so I lack some basic exposure with tools 19:04:12 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:05:07 -!- scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:07 -!- johs [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:07 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-xleyiiynapvafmtg] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:07 -!- Quetzalcoatl_ [~godless@cpe-75-186-5-185.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 324 seconds] 19:05:07 -!- az [~az@p4FE4FBE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 324 seconds] 19:05:08 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 324 seconds] 19:05:08 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-156-180.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 324 seconds] 19:05:08 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 324 seconds] 19:05:08 -!- Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 324 seconds] 19:05:08 -!- karbak [~akr@kar.vps.bitfolk.com] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:08 -!- Pepe__ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:08 Pepe_ [~ppjet@bouah.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:26 drdo: You can get that on windows ? 19:05:42 yes 19:05:43 kanru1 [~kanru@61-228-156-180.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:58 Quetzalcoatl_ [~godless@cpe-75-186-5-185.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:29 or use the personal version of Lispworks 19:07:09 http://www.lispworks.com/products/lispworks.html#personal 19:08:10 dto: (concerning your lisp games screencast) what about your emacs color theme, is it publicly available somewhere? 19:08:18 ok thank you 19:08:35 i ll try Lispworks 19:09:16 what is the best library to do AJAX stuff ? cl-ajax ? 19:09:18 -!- Madsy [~madman@ti0207a340-0249.bb.online.no] has quit [Changing host] 19:09:18 Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 19:09:43 -!- dberg [~user@c-98-234-179-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:09:44 -!- p_l|home_ is now known as p_l|home 19:10:10 pr: yes 19:10:35 pr: https://github.com/dto/emacs-config 19:10:52 thanks 19:11:19 loy22: I learned Lisp by grabbing emacs + slime + SBCL, getting a copy of Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation, and then moving on to PCL. 19:11:31 loy22: Lisp was also my first programming language. 19:11:55 -!- duncant [~duncant@c-71-206-170-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:00 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.67.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:13:40 duncant [~duncant@c-71-206-170-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:41 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.67.125] has joined #lisp 19:13:44 sykopomp: nice. I like it very much so far, I want to prototype some of the things I have in my head but I need more than the REPL. Is there a setup file for Windows that include an easy to set-up Emacs + Slime package ? 19:14:26 sykopomp: I need to stay on CLISP until I finish Land of Lisp tho 19:15:12 az [~az@p4FE4FBE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:24 Am I right to think that it would be hard to write a correct version of a function (setf getf) to use instead of a setf expander for it? 19:17:01 [oh, and Good evening everyone!] 19:18:33 -!- davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:07 loy22: http://common-lisp.net/project/lispbox/ 19:19:30 lispbox hadn't been updated for a while last I heard - but it's still useful. 19:19:34 jeti: I thought we had decided that lispbox is not that well maintained anymore. 19:20:33 -!- daniel___ is now known as daniel 19:22:37 jeti: thank you. I'm downloading it. 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[~nes@93.37.222.8] has joined #lisp 19:41:12 Do ftype declarations help produce faster code? 19:41:40 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-51-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:41:48 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.114.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:00 LiamH: they can help on some implementations, I guess 19:42:16 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-51-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:17 -!- gds` is now known as gds 19:42:25 -!- emma is now known as em 19:42:39 -!- onteria__ is now known as onteria 19:43:14 -!- duncant [~duncant@c-71-206-170-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:18 -!- loy22 [~nomail@cpe-72-134-24-178.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: loy22] 19:43:21 jconrad [~jconrad@host109-156-4-160.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:43:55 -!- jconrad_ [~jconrad@host109-156-3-208.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:07 I want to know if it's worth putting in such declarations; there's a fair amount of work involved, and if they wouldn't actually be used, I don't want to do it. I'm using SBCL but others could be using other compilers. 19:44:28 LiamH: in sbcl you can use sb-ext:*derive-function-types* 19:44:29 edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:40 -!- kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.167.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:44:41 by setting it to T 19:45:07 stassats: what does that do? 19:45:12 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:18 read its docstring! 19:45:24 LiamH: I think for most implementations would not make any difference, because the implementation would have to make sure that this information doesn't change when compiling some other function that uses the one with declarations. 19:45:26 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 19:45:50 caelan [~caelan@gnu/webmaster/caelan] has joined #lisp 19:46:24 beach: what about compiling a final image? 19:46:48 p_l|home: I suppose. 19:47:02 beach: I'm a bit confused. At what point would the ftype change? If I changed the function, I would change the ftype. 19:47:12 also, it might be especially useful if you keep all the data necessary to rebuild the system so that core dumping could do a full rebuild with all optimisations 19:47:14 beach: given that declarations are promises made by the user... 19:47:23 beach: well, it's the over way around, when you specify the ftype you should take care of redefinition 19:47:32 LiamH: The compiler shouldn't trust you to do that. 19:47:57 beach: but if I did do that, shouldn't (can't?) the compiler I declared it correctly? 19:48:03 assume 19:48:25 beach: screw such compiler 19:48:35 LiamH: If I were to implement a system, I wouldn't trust you. 19:49:04 beach: Oh, OK :-) 19:49:08 what about type declaration of local variables? don't trust them too? 19:49:18 Intensity [UrRz31O8yP@panix5.panix.com] has joined #lisp 19:49:18 -!- Intensity [UrRz31O8yP@panix5.panix.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:49:18 Intensity [UrRz31O8yP@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 19:49:54 stassats: Correct, I would insert a check and then compile code as if it were true. 19:50:22 what prevents you from doing the same thing with ftype proclamations? 19:50:25 stassats: This is still better than no declaration, where you would either have to generate more general (slower) code, or several special versions. 19:50:42 stassats: Undecidability? 19:50:57 undecidability of what? 19:51:27 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-0-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:58 stassats: Determining whether a function will always return an object of a certain type. 19:52:03 (for instance) 19:52:19 yan_ [~asym@srtd.org] has joined #lisp 19:52:22 check it at runtime? 19:52:41 beach: you can't do that either, since the ftype declaration is bound to the function name, not its definition 19:53:01 Guys check this out --> http://xkcd.com/297/ ;) 19:53:01 pkhuong_: Me? 19:53:10 unless you mean that you'd insert a check in the callers 19:53:20 on sbcl: (declaim (ftype (function (t) string) foo)) (defun foo (x) x) (foo 1) => "The value 1 is not of type STRING." 19:53:37 edlinde: that is old 19:53:46 edlinde: He actually showed up here for a day or so after posting that. 19:54:01 stassats: I just came across that one... was real funny 19:54:03 Prolific [~Adrian@cpc7-blbn8-2-0-cust218.10-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:54:05 m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:54:06 heh 19:54:09 (Either that, or my memory of that time is badly skewed.) 19:54:14 stassats: How would that make the code faster? 19:54:18 http://xkcd.com/224/ 19:54:29 bitumen [~user@c-76-24-27-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:39 I am wondering which one is better to put in at the end of my lisp implementation presentation ;) 19:54:44 stassats: I was imagining making the code faster by, say, not boxing floats and sending them raw. 19:55:08 stassats: Then you cannot test anything, because type information is gone. 19:55:21 how do other type declarations make the code faster and still safe? 19:55:51 pkhuong_: What is it that I "can't do either"? 19:56:06 stassats: that is pretty cool. is there some global compiler flag too that can be temporairly bound so it will error (refuse to compile) on type mismatch? 19:56:22 stassats: test with type information used for asserts ((safety 3) (speed 0)) then when you are certain the types are correct, switch asserts off ((safety 0) (speed 3)) ? 19:56:23 kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.167.199] has joined #lisp 19:56:28 hypno: it will show you the warning 19:56:49 edlinde: http://i.imgur.com/1gF1j.jpg 19:56:56 duncant [~duncant@c-71-206-170-158.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:17 p_l|home: that is an answer to which question? 19:57:31 19:55 < stassats> how do other type declarations make the code faster and still safe? 19:57:59 stassats: I don't know how it is usually done, but I know how I would do it. For instance, if you had (defun f (x) (declare (type (double-float x))) ...), then I would insert a test to check whether x is a double float and signal an error otherwise, then generate code for x being double float. 19:58:07 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 19:58:11 p_l|home: my code is faster with (safety 1) and (speed 1) when i declare types 19:58:49 beach: then you will do the same thing with ftype declarations 19:58:53 phadthai: funny 19:59:02 -!- johs_ is now known as johs 19:59:19 stassats: Fair enough. 19:59:29 if you want unboxed floats to float around, then use inlining 20:01:07 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-156-4-160.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01:35 And if you want efficiency in SBCL, please be aware that closing over floats is still painful. 20:01:45 -!- caelan [~caelan@gnu/webmaster/caelan] has quit [Quit: That's all, folks!] 20:03:50 Since everyone seems to be here now, I'll ask my previous question again: Is it possible to write a correct version of (setf getf) using (defun (setf getf) ...)? I wouldn't think so because (setf getf) needs access to a place which is a subform of the (getf ...) form, right? 20:06:36 sounds right 20:06:47 stassats: Thanks! 20:07:24 e.g. (let ((x)) (setf (getf x :a) 10) x) => (:a 10) couldn't work with a function 20:08:37 Yes, exactly. 20:09:40 beach: always check ftype declarations. 20:10:19 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: edlinde] 20:12:22 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:15:09 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 20:15:51 dberg [~user@c-98-234-179-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:34 beach` [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-91-15.w92-162.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:19:25 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-91-15.w92-162.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:19:28 -!- beach` is now known as beach 20:20:55 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 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21:22:45 nyef_, why is closing over floats slower than closing over anything else? 21:23:21 necroforest_: it's slower than closing over boxed values. 21:23:46 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 21:24:37 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:24:48 Because you usually pay the cost for a value-cell, and then any closed-over value is stored boxed, so you have to box your floats any time you write them... 21:24:49 would boxing the float help? 21:26:03 nyef_: btw, question related to low-levels of possible implementation - what do you think about each stack frame including a bitmap of which registers are references and which ones hold values? 21:26:23 Using an explicit box would be an option, yes. 21:26:25 p_l|home: not always possible. You'd want safe points first. 21:26:45 oh, not SBCL. Sure, probably a good idea. 21:27:29 pkhuong_: lisp stack and native stack separate (because lisp is bytecoded) 21:28:55 -!- kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.167.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:29:29 -!- dberg [~user@c-98-234-179-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:38 technically I could try to go for separate tags for each VM register so I could have unboxed values in cpu-word-size (and aligned) locations 21:30:01 36-bit registers? :-D 21:31:01 more like 72bit :P 21:31:04 alternatively, you can split the type descriptor and the value. 21:31:46 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 21:32:17 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 21:33:50 *p_l|home* curses the fact that designing VMs is much more interesting than hammering JESS to work 21:34:18 -!- necroforest_ [~jarred@pool-96-249-147-66.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:49 stupid JESS got enough of Lisp in its syntax to confuse someone who actually knows lisp :/ 21:34:54 -!- clop2 [~jared@99-23-192-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:35:43 ... and I apparently got an ancient version written for JRE 1.2 21:35:55 no wonder my compiler complained -_-; 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22:32:15 and the plugin that integrates Jess with Protege doesn't strip the URIs 22:32:50 when it rains, it pours 22:33:10 yep 22:33:24 of course the Jess plugin doesn't include a good REPL 22:33:54 I'd love to have RacerPro instead and other Franz tools for that, but I guess they might be beyond budget of my dept. 22:35:10 macros would help 22:36:06 I don't think it has those 22:36:23 -!- super` [~super_@pool-173-78-145-82.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:36:52 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 22:37:02 -!- k2t0f12d__ [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:03 -!- Zephyrus__ [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 22:39:26 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39:40 how about a jessscript a la parenscript? 22:39:41 yep, no macros 22:39:45 -!- |3b|` [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: b] 22:40:00 syntard: I think that after this course, I'll end up digging up some CL system for that :/ 22:40:01 -!- felideon [~felideon@adsl-32-172-188.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:40:18 |3b|` [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:42:05 -!- incandenza [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:42:21 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:42:36 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host78-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:43:08 davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:55 -!- Prolific [~Adrian@cpc7-blbn8-2-0-cust218.10-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:20 katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has joined #lisp 22:44:29 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 22:44:48 Adrian [~Adrian@cpc2-croy1-0-0-cust171.croy.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:45:14 -!- Adrian is now known as Guest41941 22:45:29 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:43 mamute [~A@20158152245.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 22:45:57 ivan4th [~ivan4th@213.141.132.14] has joined #lisp 22:46:17 -!- ivan4th [~ivan4th@213.141.132.14] has quit [Client Quit] 22:46:36 ivan4th [~ivan4th@213.141.132.14] has joined #lisp 22:50:08 jhuni [~jhuni@udp217774uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:46 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:55:56 -!- katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:55:59 -!- clop2 [~jared@99-23-192-153.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:13 -!- mamute [~A@20158152245.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:36 uaehcf [~knoppix@cpe-76-184-120-232.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:04:36 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:56 -!- gor[e] [U2FsdGVkX1@79.165.187.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06:57 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:07:28 katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has joined #lisp 23:10:06 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 23:10:38 p_l|home: depending on how much data you have to process, allegrograph may be free (: 23:12:07 there's a free edition for data sets below 50 million triples 23:12:14 antifuchs: yes, but allegrograph is just the database, not sure if RacerPro is included 23:12:25 -!- nmg [~nick@dsl78-143-208-98.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:36 and racerpro is where the real processing happens 23:12:52 and even then, I'd need a rule engine :> 23:12:55 well, the query engine has a reasoner built in 23:13:10 dunno if that's what racerpro uses or if it comes with its own 23:13:26 tbh, this is the first time I heard of racerpro (-: 23:13:27 -!- katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:41 (my current setup is Protege for editing, an ancient version of Fact++ running under wine, and "stolen" copy of Jess) 23:15:06 -!- p_l|home [~pl@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:05 drschnuggle [~ulrike@p5DD03F59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:36 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:18:51 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:55 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-192-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:54 -!- drschnuggle [~ulrike@p5DD03F59.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 23:26:18 p_l|home [~pl@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:26:36 ... I feel like ranting at ISP stupidity 23:26:51 *p_l|home* just had to use a tunnel-in-a-tunnel 23:28:03 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-156-4-160.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30:26 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-179-139-251.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:30:46 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.107.114] has joined #lisp 23:32:37 -!- Darael [~darael@kalessin.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Quit: Going to bed. 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