00:01:13 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:54 qbomb [~qbomb@74.112.106.198] has joined #lisp 00:08:13 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-78-162.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:40 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-78-162.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 00:09:46 EngiNerd [~quassel@cpe-76-179-25-166.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:10:22 If I'm passing a list to a function, and calling setf on that list in the function, will it be changed? 00:11:28 if you're changing it, yes, except for NIL 00:11:59 Hmmm 00:12:05 Can't figure out why this isn't saving the list 00:12:16 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:12:50 EngiNerd: paste your code http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 00:13:35 EngiNerd: helps to know when you're changing the binding (the local association between the name and a value) and changing an object's structure (the objects it "holds") 00:14:02 also helps to not modify literal quoted lists 00:14:08 but pasting the code will make things clearer 00:14:13 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-134-127.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 00:14:26 -!- srolls [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:24 ...I just pasted it, where did it go? 00:15:39 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114514 perhaps 00:15:43 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:15:43 Can you all read this? 00:15:48 sadly, lisppaste is still speechless 00:16:13 How about the link I just posted manually? 00:16:42 EngiNerd: you should write and use ADD-PRODUCT so that you return a (possibly new) value to use. 00:16:42 and you're doing what Xach said, modifying to variable is bound, not the object to which it is pointing 00:16:53 -!- powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-49-19-181.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 00:17:09 e.g. (setf alist (add-product alist item num)) 00:17:10 "modifying to what object variable is bound" 00:17:49 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:17:58 *EngiNerd* back from phonecall 00:18:06 Well ... it's for a class assignment :/ 00:18:22 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-76-118-76-200.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:19:08 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:19:34 I'm instructed to set it up so I call, for example, (add-product *products* 'widget 7) 00:20:05 EngiNerd: that's a problem if *PRODUCTS* is NIL. 00:20:08 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-76-118-76-200.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:20:21 Ooooh okay, we're getting to something 00:20:39 unless it's also specified to be a global variable you can frob in ADD-PRODUCT (in which case it doesn't make much sense to also pass it) 00:20:49 I thought that if alist was nil, (assoc item alist) would return nil 00:20:51 also, it's better to call (assoc item alist) just once instead of thrice 00:21:24 stassats: I figured I'd do that later if I have time 00:22:02 Now, what happens here if products is nil? 00:22:22 NIL is a constant, you can't modify it 00:22:44 EngiNerd: Wasn't this due on 9/9? 00:23:00 Originally, it got a time extension 00:23:27 As is, I'm working on it later than I should, I'm blaming huge amounts of car trouble I've been having... 00:23:39 Not to mention cdr trouble! /rimshot 00:23:39 -!- Edward [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-11-107.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 00:23:49 ...XD 00:24:10 EngiNerd: if *PRODUCTS* is NIL, there's nothing you can do in the function to the variable passed in that will change it. You'd have to change the global variable directly. 00:24:31 EngiNerd: having read the problem specification in the PDF, I think it's not a great exercise. You might want to ask your professor or whomever to clarify. 00:24:45 or better don't change it 00:24:54 ...where did you get the PDF from?? O.o;;; 00:25:06 first hit for google: site:maine.edu common lisp 00:25:13 breach [breach@unaffiliated/breach] has joined #lisp 00:25:17 ...wow 00:25:26 Okay, I'll keep that in mind when I come ask for help here XD 00:25:48 Who is the professor? I think I emailed him a few years ago about CL projects. 00:27:07 damn FFI, it's segfaulting me the whole week 00:27:25 Roy Turner 00:27:41 But hey, wait a moment ... *products* is only a pointer to nil, right? 00:27:50 *stassats* got enough "CORRUPTION WARNING in SBCL" for a year 00:28:17 So why can't I change it to point to something else inside the function? 00:28:38 EngiNerd: it's not a pointer. what you have in the function in the variable ALIST is a binding of a name to a value. 00:28:49 brandonz [~brandon@pool-74-97-30-61.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:29:03 EngiNerd: changing the value associated with ALIST within the function won't affect bindings outside the function. 00:29:06 Hmmm 00:29:24 EngiNerd: however, if you mess with *PRODUCTS* directly, you can change the value associated with it. 00:29:25 -!- rread [~rread@c-24-130-52-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:29:56 I think what I'll do is this ... I'm going to send the prof an e-mail, tell him the issue, and have a special case in add-product to directly change *products* if necessary 00:31:38 -!- brandonz [~brandon@pool-74-97-30-61.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:31 ...waiiit, I think I get it 00:36:35 He worded the problem wrong 00:36:57 I think he wants me to use (setf *products* (add-product *products* 'widget 7)) 00:37:16 that's much more reasonable 00:37:21 Very much so 00:38:09 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 00:38:53 -!- pkhuong_ [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39:12 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:39:26 -!- svk_ [~kaw@svk.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:40:24 svk_ [~kaw@svk.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:35 pkhuong [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:38 rread [~rread@c-24-130-52-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:03 -!- pkhuong is now known as Guest69695 00:41:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has left #lisp 00:45:12 *EngiNerd* sighs 00:45:19 I don't understand what's wrong with this thing >.< 00:45:45 jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:59 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-87-180-170.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:46:06 *stassats* is saying these words the whole evening 00:48:01 Okay, Imma post my entire code for this problem 00:48:47 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114515 00:49:15 First off, even though I keep reloading the file, *products* isn't getting reset 00:49:27 EngiNerd: (cond (... setf *products* ...) ...) is a problem. 00:49:29 you don't have enough parenthesis around setf *products* 00:49:38 <_3b> use defparameter instead of defvar if you want it to reset every time it is evaluated 00:49:49 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 00:50:10 Hmm, okay 00:50:40 Fixed both 00:50:59 ...hello there 00:51:44 Something is off with my rplacd 00:52:01 Are you forced to use rplacd? (I closed the pdf.) 00:52:03 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.1.39.125] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:52:07 *_3b* wonders if INCF/DECF would work in place of those rplacd forms, would probably be clearer if so 00:52:08 it's better to use setf. 00:52:10 davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 00:52:54 He actually hints at using setf in the document, I found rplacd somewhere else 00:53:07 rplacd is from the bad old days 00:53:29 clhs rplacd 00:53:29 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rplaca.htm 00:53:51 <_3b> the SETF ALIST in LIST-PRODUCTS is pointless 00:53:51 ...I know what's going on now 00:54:00 too bad it doesn't list setf cdr as an alternative 00:54:03 I need to tell this to return the full list, not just what's being changed 00:54:28 Is there a simple way to do that? I don't quite understand how sequential stuff works in Lisp 00:54:44 -!- Guest69695 is now known as pkhuong_ 00:55:06 <_3b> functions (and PROGN in general) returns the value(s) returned by the last form in the body 00:55:28 I know 00:55:36 How would I return the entire list? 00:55:55 by placing it at the end of a form 00:56:57 Not sure how exactly I'd do that here ... can I just do (exp1) (exp2) and they'll be evaluated sequentially? 00:57:35 yes, from left to right 00:57:42 <_3b> in the right context, yes 00:58:04 YES that worked ^^ 00:58:05 well, we're speaking about PROGN 00:58:09 I've had issues with that before 00:58:13 <_3b> inside of a progn or implicit progn (like function bodies, etc) among other places 00:58:34 <_3b> note for example that the branches of an IF are /not/ implicit PROGN, so it won't work there 00:59:47 -!- radsis [~quassel@c-24-22-21-120.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:00:12 <_3b> also, you could probably make that SORT clearer by using the :key arg 01:00:57 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:26 -!- breach [breach@unaffiliated/breach] has quit [Quit: down periscope] 01:01:28 <_3b> (unless you need to sort by both name and number, not sure if that is the intent of having both in the lambda list or not) 01:02:53 <_3b> bad API either way though, not clear what setting both options should do 01:02:57 Hmmm ... explain the :key arg? 01:03:07 See, I haven't commented this yet, that'll come next 01:03:12 <_3b> clhs sort 01:03:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_sort_.htm 01:03:36 but it's supposed to be, :by-name sorts by name, :by-number sorts by number 01:03:49 i.e. the car or the cdr of the pairs 01:03:59 but default, if neither is true, is by-name 01:04:04 <_3b> right, what does :by-name t :by-number t do? 01:04:12 <_3b> sort by both? if so, which one first? 01:04:29 <_3b> ignore one? if so, why have both as args instead of a single :sort :name or whatever? 01:04:39 It isn't asked for in the homework, it's a don't-care case 01:04:41 <_3b> (and if so, ignore which one?) 01:04:49 troussan [~user@mobile-166-137-141-158.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:06 <_3b> doesn't mean you should do a bad job of it... if you are trying to learn, you should make an effort to not learn bad habits :) 01:05:08 We've already determined that an earlier part of this problem is worded poorly :P 01:05:45 <_3b> if that is specified in the problem, then ok... just document whatever you choose i guess 01:05:46 EngiNerd: would you like to see a chart I drew with a lisp program? 01:05:55 And, I do understand your concern there, it's worth a thought ... for now, I'll leave it as-is and say in the comments that :by-number supercedes :by-name 01:05:57 Sure 01:06:09 http://www.xach.com/moviecharts/2010.html (it scrolls horizontally) 01:06:44 <_3b> as far as the :key arg to sort, it lets you supply a function to be called on the elements being sorted before they are passed to the comparison function 01:07:00 <_3b> for example (sort alist '< :key 'car) 01:07:31 You did that in Lisp? o.o;; 01:08:28 Lisp is super-awesome. 01:08:32 Wow 01:08:39 *_3b* appears to be completly out of touch with movie releases :p 01:09:15 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:06 Okay ... so far so good, add-product and list-products appear to be in proper working condition 01:10:25 The issue now is, delete-product crashes when trying to remove an object from the list entirely 01:10:27 <_3b> did you fix the part where it sets *products* directly instead of returning something? 01:11:06 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:11:17 <_3b> that set-difference call looks a bit out of place 01:11:30 Yeah :P 01:12:08 If I have, say, 6 widgets and I'm told to delete 8 of them, I want to eliminate the widget entry from the list altogether 01:12:16 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 01:12:24 <_3b> :key works with REMOVE too 01:12:42 Well, this is part of the assignment 01:12:58 <_3b> to use set-difference you mean? 01:12:59 -!- tsuru [~charlie@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 01:13:26 We're actually told explicitly that if you remove at least as many of one object as is currently in the list, that entry in the list is supposed to be completely removed 01:13:54 <_3b> right, not objecting to that, just how you try to do so 01:14:11 Okay 01:14:19 I thought that's what your REMOVE was about 01:14:40 <_3b> REMOVE is a way to remove things from a list, which i thought was the goal 01:14:48 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:15:04 It didn't come up when I searched earlier O.o 01:15:11 <_3b> clhs remove 01:15:11 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rm_rm.htm 01:15:29 <_3b> (actually works on sequences in general, not just lists) 01:15:48 grrrrrr 01:15:55 Why did I not find this earlier? >.< 01:16:15 you searched wrong 01:16:58 Well hell, that was a lot easier 01:24:24 lavoiecs [~lavoiecs@modemcable236.51-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 01:24:37 ...I hate to flood the room with my own homework issues, but perhaps someone could help me with another problem here? 01:24:45 Trying to get a function to copy one file to another 01:25:39 sepp2k [~sexy@p548CC44D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:43 (ql:quickload "alexandria") (alexandria:copy-file from to) 01:25:48 i guess that's cheating. 01:26:04 Um yeah XD 01:26:13 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:26:14 Lemme get the code copied 01:26:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114517 BOOM HEADSHOT 01:27:16 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-78-162.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:27:43 EngiNerd: Don't try to do it all in one nested call. 01:28:05 EngiNerd: read the line, while the value isn't eof, write it. 01:28:44 -!- troussan [~user@mobile-166-137-141-158.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:52 Can you explain to me what the "with line" is for in this? I copied that from the problem and I admit to not understanding it 01:29:30 it's a way to establish a valid variable in the context of the loop without actually initializing it or stepping it 01:29:33 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:29:55 EngiNerd: the usual idiom for doing something for each line of a file is something like: (loop for line = (read-line input nil) while line do ) 01:30:05 So I should change write-line to setf line, and then write-line in the next command? 01:30:24 ...hell, I'll do it that way, makes a LOT more sense :P 01:30:48 ...though I'm not particularly proud of WHY it makes sense <.<;; 01:31:44 ...there's no = operator in Lisp, is there? <.<;; 01:31:56 there is a function = 01:32:04 EngiNerd: extended LOOP has its own syntax. 01:32:12 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:21 EngiNerd: see http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/loop-for-black-belts.html 01:32:46 I do NOT envy the person who had to implement this thing... 01:32:51 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: *has transformers theme stuck in head*] 01:32:58 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:33:09 one guy at MIT wrote it, and everyone else copied it. 01:33:18 well, not really, but almost. 01:33:25 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:28 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:33:37 smik [~siddhant3@180.215.107.205] has joined #lisp 01:33:59 if c++ has compilers, then parsing LOOP is trivial 01:34:08 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:34:11 What is the syntax for write-line? 01:34:30 Is it just writeline ? 01:34:35 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:35 No. 01:34:37 antivigilante [~antivigil@63-225-214-239.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:34:43 see http://l1sp.org/cl/write-line 01:35:00 for any symbol in CL, http://l1sp.org/cl/ will take you to the documentation. 01:35:18 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:35:44 Okay 01:35:47 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:14 i guess Xach gathers information about most searched symbols to do some evil later 01:36:17 like Google 01:36:28 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:36:36 it's only evil if a russian does it 01:36:55 stassats: exept Google can't do evil 01:36:55 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:38 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:38:06 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:48 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:39:17 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:03 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:40:28 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:13 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:41:23 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-17-221.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:41:39 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:40 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:44:01 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:43 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:45:11 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:53 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 01:46:22 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:54 powerje [~powerje@75.60.229.136] has joined #lisp 01:47:25 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.102.101.115] has joined #lisp 01:47:59 -!- powerje [~powerje@75.60.229.136] has quit [Client Quit] 01:51:37 -!- davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:02 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:55:00 leviathan__ [~quassel@c-82-192-226-27.customer.ggaweb.ch] has joined #lisp 01:55:16 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.80.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:33 -!- leviathan [~quassel@c-82-192-226-27.customer.ggaweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:13 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:16 ...is it reasonable to refer to the relevant part of Emacs as the "prompt"? 02:06:56 if it's a prompt 02:07:40 Well, I don't want to call it that in my comments and find out I'm an idiot :P 02:08:54 Does it ask the user to do something? 02:09:28 or remind the user that something can be done? 02:10:02 Well, I'm specifically referring to where the text goes when you call "format t " 02:10:35 it goes to the standard output 02:11:51 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.80.43] has joined #lisp 02:13:55 rich_holygoat_ [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:13:55 -!- rich_holygoat_ [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 02:13:55 rich_holygoat_ [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 02:14:37 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:09 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:16:29 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:16:29 -!- rich_holygoat_ is now known as rich_holygoat 02:17:30 -!- xinming [~hyy@115.221.14.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:17:54 xinming [~hyy@115.221.6.235] has joined #lisp 02:20:46 mrbug [~user@unaffiliated/mrbug] has joined #lisp 02:20:52 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@c-71-192-163-98.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:11 -!- mrbug [~user@unaffiliated/mrbug] has left #lisp 02:23:17 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:26:23 engi: I don't think that's a prompt -- that's probably a buffer in emacs-speak. 02:26:28 gko [~gko@111.82.202.13] has joined #lisp 02:26:34 -!- gko [~gko@111.82.202.13] has quit [Client Quit] 02:27:07 Okay 02:27:15 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:10 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@74.112.106.198] has left #lisp 02:32:18 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:34:23 EngiNerd: are you talking about the slime REPL? 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03:23:37 to combine several values? 03:24:23 -!- CrazyEddy [~ovariotub@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:24:38 Yes, but when do you want to pass multiple separate sets of MVs to a function? Passing a single set, that I can see. 03:25:24 well, multiple-value-call works not only with VALUES directly, but with other functions returning multiple values too 03:28:15 Sure. But I can't think of an example of (m-v-c func (this ...) (that ...)) that makes sense. 03:28:36 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:29:49 I mean, you could get the quotient and remainder from two divisions and add them up, but what meaning does that have? 03:30:56 <_3b> i think i've used that sort of thing when i wanted to avoid consing up an intermediate struct/list/whatever 03:31:26 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:32:40 Right, and (m-v-c #'consumer (producer ...)) makes sense; you call producer to generate the MVs, and consumer then consumes then. But having multiple producers seems bizarre. 03:32:42 <_3b> like passing 3-element vectors around as 3 values 03:32:46 jcowan: there can be other functions returning something else than quotient and reminder 03:33:10 Sure. I know what it *does*, I'm just wondering about practical applications. 03:33:24 <_3b> (m-v-c #'vec+ (something-that-returns-3-floats) (something-else)) 03:33:35 How can I make the string "/foo/bar" a pathname #P"/foo/bar/" (notice the trailing slash in the pathname) please? I want to feed a function argument to ENSURE-DIRECTORIES-EXIST without making the function's caller write a trailing slash 03:33:55 cl-fad:pathname-as-directory 03:34:04 stassats: thank you 03:34:24 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 03:34:24 The 3-element vectors make sense, though: (dot-product (unboxed-vector 1 2 3) (unboxed-vector 3 4 5)) 03:34:34 -!- guther [~guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:36:05 -!- guther_ is now known as guther 03:38:54 setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:42:37 that's funny, i just had to use m-v-c with several arguments 03:43:04 -!- wubo [80f40909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.244.9.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:43:20 So what did you use it for? 03:44:44 to pass the result of a multiple value function to another function which has additional parameters beside these 03:45:02 *_3b* only finds 1 use in my code, and not really sure that use is really justified :p http://github.com/3b/3b-swf/blob/master/shape.lisp#L83 03:45:45 <_3b> doesn't look like i actually bothered with it in the real code for the matrix math stuff, and i dumped that codebase anyway in favor of sb-cga 03:46:52 -!- smanek [~smanek@c-98-206-218-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:47:36 <_3b> hmm, old code, from back when i still used #+nil to comment stuff out 03:48:02 -!- salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: salva] 03:48:16 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:48:19 *_3b* has gotten lazier since, #++ is much less typing :p 03:48:25 *jcowan* chuckles. 03:48:38 To avoid that you'd need to curry subdivide2, I suppose. 03:49:30 <_3b> or just cons up a list or struct or something, don't think that code needed to be all that fast 03:51:01 <_3b> or i guess do the SPLIT directly in subdivide2, since nothing else calls it 03:51:47 *_3b* isn't going to change it though, it works well enough for now 03:52:28 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-axorpzthjipskowc] has joined #lisp 03:54:07 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:46 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:54 <_3b> http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/eclipse/wm.lisp?rev=1.62&root=eclipse&view=auto has another use-case, passing different sets of args 03:57:33 *_3b* would probably just put the whole call inside the COND though, not sure doing it with m-v-c is really a good idea there 03:58:43 hi _3b 03:58:49 <_3b> 'lo 03:59:35 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 04:00:28 I guess if you have a very sucky implementation of multiple values, it might be important to factor them out like that. 04:02:42 smanek [~smanek@c-98-206-218-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:55 -!- jcowan [~John@cpe-98-14-172-204.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:15:09 -!- carlocci 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Both fails on different places. 13:18:40 that's not the place where you would report it 13:18:52 I would expect gmake since it's part of the gnu project 13:19:56 museun [~what@h-66-167-50-29.atlngahp.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:10 -!- symbole [~user@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:57 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-lkhwwrtsphxqzrgc] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:23:17 I'm not giving up, because I have 2.48 compiled and running. Forgot the build procedure and flags though. Also system libs/includes have changed since. 13:23:42 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:24:12 lharc: compiling clisp from the ports collections worked perfectly here 13:24:21 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:29 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:24:31 johnthesavage [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:16 -!- johnthesavage [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:48 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:16 testing899999999 [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:02 -!- museun [~what@h-66-167-50-29.atlngahp.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:45 homie [~user@xdsl-195-14-199-117.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:28:45 wbooze [~user@xdsl-195-14-199-117.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:28:50 -!- e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29:41 acieroid: ports! didn't think of that 13:29:46 -!- testing899999999 [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:30:01 almost everything is in the ports collection :) 13:30:11 testing899999999 [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:54 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:13 -!- testing899999999 [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:39 rrice [~rrice@adsl-76-253-135-9.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:34:29 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:34:54 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 13:35:57 I've had problems building clisp with ffi using ports 13:36:17 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-215-135.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:50 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:36:57 I got clisp 2.49 compiling with almost all features without any troubles 13:38:23 gmake just went through on 2.48 .. maybe an issue with 2.49? 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How can I calculate the width of str in pixel? 14:43:53 antivigilante [~antivigil@63-225-214-239.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:56 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23BB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:04 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:46:24 clim text-size 14:46:24 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/11-1.html#_587 14:46:32 symbole [~user@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 14:46:51 Thank you, stassats! 14:47:47 -!- powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-60-229-136.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 14:50:00 stassats: I have not been able to visit clim-spec at the address "bauhh.dyndns.org:8000" for a long time..I don't know the reason. 14:50:33 neither do i 14:50:58 *nikodemus* wonders if migrating the annotable clim-spec to common-lisp.net might be worth investigating 14:51:14 *stassats* stopped using mcclim, trying to beat Qt into submission 14:51:37 stassats: okie :) I thought my pc had problems :) 14:51:46 i wonder if i might be possible somehow to look into getting more conditionals, for example, into that sentence 14:52:30 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:17 lasersharks [~miller@pelican.eecs.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 14:57:20 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 14:59:20 seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:04 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:45 Joreji [~thomas@92-200.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:04:35 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:19 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:07:19 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 15:08:45 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:29 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:09:36 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 15:09:56 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:39 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:11:07 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:53 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:11:54 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:11:57 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:12:17 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:00 maus: So the internship is going OK? 15:13:03 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:13:13 Hello beach :) 15:13:18 Hey! 15:13:28 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:48 beach: Yes, It's okie! 15:13:52 # 15:13:52 has no external symbol with name "SOURCE-ROOT-PATH-TO-FASL-PATH" ?? 15:14:10 why do i get that with clisp and paip code auxfns.lisp ? 15:14:10 maus: How much time left? 15:15:05 beach: our internship will end at the end of this November 30th. 15:15:29 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:15:29 OK. 15:15:49 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host198-180-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:15:51 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:05 Bronsa [~bronsa@host198-180-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:16:09 tsuru [~charlie@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:13 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 15:16:18 -!- loxs [~loxs@213.169.45.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:34 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:16:36 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 15:16:37 ephcon [~ephcon@fredri.cc] has joined #lisp 15:16:59 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 15:17:00 beach: we nearly finish coding, and now thinking of the content for the report. 15:17:03 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:28 Excellent! It is good to allocate a lot of time for the report. 15:17:44 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:18:06 maus: What URL do you use when trying to reach the annotatable CLIM spec? 15:18:12 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:19 beach: how to make a good report? It's quite difficult :) 15:18:40 beach: that's is: http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/index.html 15:18:58 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:19:07 Works for me! Strange! 15:19:23 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:40 maus: There are some simple guidelines to follow when writing a report. I'll email them out at some point. 15:19:41 ports like that are often denied by paranoid firewall configurations. 15:19:43 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc2-dals3-0-0-cust1263.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:19:58 Aha! 15:20:03 beach: wow..it's strange. I cannot go there for a long time. 15:20:08 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:20:12 beach: Thank you! 15:20:33 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:05 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@bpcmat07.mat.ucm.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:18 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:21:44 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:28 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:22:55 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:39 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:24:06 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:49 powerje 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Have a good evening and see you, Sir! 15:44:21 Bronsa [~bronsa@host198-180-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:44:54 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:45:00 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 15:45:22 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:29 -!- maus [~maus@1.139.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:05 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:46:33 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:15 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:47:49 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:30 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:48:54 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:05 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 15:49:40 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:50:05 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:21 Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:25 gnooth [~test@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:38 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:48 John2496 [~john2496@rrcs-72-43-164-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:51:17 what kind of problems do you guys solve on a regular basis with lisp? 15:51:33 whatever problems come up 15:52:05 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:52:23 John2496: i solve the problem of insufficiently pretty movie boxoffice data graphics 15:52:27 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:35 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:53:04 Xach: what kind of problem is that? 15:53:26 John2496: I don't know. It was a problem for me. 15:53:29 But now it's solved. 15:53:40 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 15:54:08 thats cool, i wish i oculd find some problems to work on :/ 15:54:23 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:54:25 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:54:27 John2496: If you are looking for projects, there are plenty of them. 15:54:29 but i probably don't know enough math/physics/and-other-stuff :/ 15:54:40 minion: Tell John2496 about Gsharp. 15:54:40 John2496: please look at Gsharp: Gsharp is a graphical, interactive score editing application for standard Music notation. http://www.cliki.net/Gsharp 15:54:49 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:15 John2496: try solving problems which are relevant to you 15:55:34 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:55:55 John2496: I am not telling you that you should work on Gsharp. That was just an example of a problem that I would not have had the guts to attack with any other programming language. 15:56:02 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:05 minion: thanks i'll check it out :) 15:56:05 you're welcome 15:56:35 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:56:44 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:56:50 John2496: actually, i'll use any old flimsy excuse to link to http://xach.com/moviecharts/ 15:57:10 Those charts were produced by a Lisp program. And the data was gathered by a Lisp program. etc. 15:57:11 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:44 is it hosted by a lisp program? 15:57:53 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:57:55 xach: woah, thats some complicated * 15:58:01 stassats: no :( 15:58:21 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:03 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 15:59:34 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:14 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:00:43 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:58 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 16:01:29 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:01:56 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:02 can slime find the methods that apply to a list of args? 16:02:35 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello212186106204.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:40 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:03:10 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:11 no 16:03:50 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:04:02 stassats: thanks 16:04:16 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:34 John2496: anyway, that's about 700 lines of Common Lisp, taking advantage of already-existing handy graphics and HTTP libraries. 16:04:38 though it can show methods which are specialized on a class 16:05:00 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:05:28 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:48 xach: the output looks awesome, i'll have to spend a few reading through it (and googlin' stuff :P) 16:06:10 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:06:39 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:46 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 16:07:06 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@212.66.226.129] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 16:07:23 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:07:32 lurker-x [~androirc@166.189.211.113] has joined #lisp 16:07:48 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:52 Xach: I just noticed what I think is a bug in moviecharts 16:08:33 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 16:08:59 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:03 empty space influence? 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some implementations of sbcl? 16:56:32 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-233-194-239.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire.] 16:56:45 foom: nah, the allegro reader, at least. 16:56:56 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:57:06 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 16:57:17 I find the define-compiler-macro interface annoyingly inconvenient, couldn't They have made a better choice... 16:57:24 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:57:25 it is possible allegro lacks a package named sb-vm with the symbols in question. 16:57:52 so if you're using the allegro reader, with sbcl, then you can use that syntax? Woo. :) 16:59:01 tcr: what is so inconvenient about it? what would you change? 16:59:55 Make the abort case be returning nil 17:00:13 abeaumont_ [~abeaumont@212.145.105.212] has joined #lisp 17:00:54 tcr: how would you tell the difference between aborting and actually return nil? 17:01:16 you never return just nil, you return (VALUES NIL), or (PROGN) 17:01:33 right 17:01:48 er.. no, you can return () 17:01:52 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-233-194-239.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:00 Sorry? 17:02:45 the empty form () is nil, which evals to nil 17:02:48 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 17:03:07 That's a thinko I'm afraid :-) 17:03:22 () '() NIL 'NIL are the same thing 17:05:32 tcr: so, i ask again, how would you tell the difference between a compiler macro that actually wants to expand to nil in any way and one that aborts with nil? 17:05:48 -!- erk_ is now known as erk 17:05:51 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:52 -!- erk [~MrEd@BZ.BZFLAG.BZ] has quit [Changing host] 17:05:53 erk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has joined #lisp 17:05:56 tcr: with (values nil) or (progn)? isn't that just as inconvenient and/or unintuitive? 17:06:26 Have you ever written a compiler macro to substantially argue what's inconvenient and what not? 17:07:10 tcr: you got me. i was just discussing semantics. i would probably make the abort case be the compiler macro actually return no values 17:07:21 but that's even more awkward... 17:09:11 jmbr [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:09:23 tcr: how does the &whole arg cause you so much inconvenience? 17:10:02 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-156-219.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10:31 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:05 I am somehow inable to spot the error. :/ http://paste.lisp.org/display/114535 17:11:06 You cannot just use (when foo ) and be done with it 17:11:10 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:11:40 true 17:12:32 sie: you have too much parenthesis around (msg nil) (destination nil) (type nil) 17:12:51 stassats: or a missing &optional in front 17:12:58 or &key 17:13:19 but you're right, it would only make sense the way you describe it 17:13:40 wo sind sie? 17:13:47 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:13:47 well, having &key instead of &optional would be reasonable 17:13:53 sie: the error is using a macro when a function would suffice! :) 17:16:59 breach [breach@unaffiliated/breach] has joined #lisp 17:18:10 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@166.189.211.113] has quit [Quit: bye...] 17:18:26 lurker-x [~androirc@166.189.211.113] has joined #lisp 17:20:38 -!- abeaumont_ [~abeaumont@212.145.105.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:20:56 Edward__ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-63-230.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:21:35 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:22:05 I think the deftransform for SEARCH does not correctly handle the case when :start1 is nil 17:22:05 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 17:23:52 slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1DE08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:59 could it be nil? 17:24:13 it should be an integer 17:24:38 oh of course 17:24:57 (search "foo" "bar" :start1 0 :end1 0) => 0 looks strange 17:25:41 that's like (search "" "bar") 17:25:42 symbole [~user@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:50 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0BEC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:26:21 Heh I mixed up which sequence is sought in which 17:26:24 thanks 17:27:10 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [] 17:27:19 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.67.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:28:02 tcr: don't forget to save these things for the CL quiz! 17:29:16 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.116.25.38] has joined #lisp 17:34:43 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:38:02 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 17:39:05 stassats` [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-40-119.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 17:39:10 -!- stassats` [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-40-119.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Changing host] 17:39:10 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:39:16 b-man_ [~b-man@187.58.227.112] has joined #lisp 17:39:17 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 17:40:33 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:41:57 -!- NE555 [~user@207.178.208.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:05 TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has joined #lisp 17:42:37 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:42:45 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:43:58 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host198-180-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:44:18 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@187.58.227.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:44:28 Xach, You german? 17:45:01 sie: No 17:45:18 Neither am I. ;-D 17:45:38 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 17:49:42 Anarch [~w3@elrond.hsl.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 17:49:48 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50:11 rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has joined #lisp 17:54:10 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-62.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:54:30 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 17:55:50 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:56:09 kclifton_ [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:16 -!- kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:58:16 -!- kclifton_ is now known as kclifton 17:59:11 BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:43 -!- lurker-x [~androirc@166.189.211.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03:59 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:07:00 hah. I just put my cursor on string-downcase and tried to use M-u to change it to string-upcase. 18:07:07 for some reason it did not work. 18:08:44 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:53 e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 18:08:56 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-104-162-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:09:03 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:09:08 file a bug? *cough* 18:09:10 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:09:10 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 18:13:50 -!- symbole [~user@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:14:41 netytan [~netytan@85.211.41.153] has joined #lisp 18:15:07 Xach: lol, that's a good one :) 18:15:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:16:59 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:35 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.116.25.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:17:48 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:04 Bronsa [~bronsa@host198-180-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:19:06 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.194.43] has joined #lisp 18:19:56 slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1CCE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:56 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1DE08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:23:16 -!- Edward__ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-63-230.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:25:34 Krystof: Is your CLX still provided through darcs? 18:26:48 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23BB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:11 -!- powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-60-229-136.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 18:28:56 yes 18:29:11 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:29:44 Krystof: I just had something blow up when I tried to have CL-USER use the CLX package, because of the way the defpackage is written. OK to send you a patch that uses unexported symbols in the :export? 18:30:27 fiveop [~fiveop@p4FCDEE70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:33 well, you can always send a patch 18:30:41 no guarantees on when I get round to looking at it 18:30:46 -!- guther [guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:30:57 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host198-180-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:31:14 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:31:22 Krystof: OK. It's pretty trivial.... Just take all the symbols in the :export and prepend "#:" 18:31:25 guther [guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has joined #lisp 18:32:22 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:34:32 mattrepl [~mattrepl@129.174.97.34] has joined #lisp 18:36:49 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:37:12 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:38:35 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@erlang.pnet.com.pl] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:39:19 bozhidar` [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 18:39:25 Phoodus [foo@174-17-246-43.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:05 -!- TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@124-171-223-211.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:41:29 -!- kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: kclifton] 18:41:45 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 18:42:54 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-134-127.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:49 Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-6-107.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:51:29 fusss [~chatzilla@cpe-184-59-202-37.new.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:51:47 slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1DC59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:51 my eyes are bleeding side-ways, now that I have seen Java's implementation of enums 18:52:23 enums are instances of the class Enum, and can have constructors and slots, just like any other class 18:52:40 wow 18:52:52 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.194.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:53:53 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1CCE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:04 *drewc* grumbles something about :overwrite being a stupid name for :append and :supersede bein a horrible name for :overwrite 18:54:43 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.177.168] has joined #lisp 18:55:59 fusss: Seen Smalltalk's implementation of booleans yet? 18:56:01 daniel [~daniel@p5B326936.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:40 nyef: no, but those people have no trouble killing one of their own parents to maintain a proper class heirarchy 18:57:19 Heh. 18:57:33 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 18:58:15 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-89-7.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:59:45 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:59:50 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 18:59:56 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5B3274C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01:10 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:01:13 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.195] has joined #lisp 19:03:35 -!- guther [guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:38 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:07:46 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:08:18 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:46 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@129.174.97.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:09:02 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl12-86-116.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:09:36 Is there something like gnu readline available for cl? 19:10:06 Borbus: not really. 19:10:18 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:10:32 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 19:10:42 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:04 Hmm.. what is the easiest way to get a quick user input like that, disregarding the line editing stuff for now? 19:11:23 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:11:51 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:00 Borbus: I always find it worthwhile to set up slime for its repl capabilities. 19:12:14 Borbus: I've heard about people using rlwrap, but I'm not sure how that works. 19:12:33 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:13:02 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:34 rlwrap works ok. Slime is by far the better solution 19:13:43 I already use slime, and that's ok, but what if I wanted a stand alone text UI, just use cl-ncurses? 19:13:48 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:14:12 Borbus: oh, hmm. not sure. 19:14:14 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:23 Oh, there's a project called linedit, too. 19:14:50 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:58 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:15:06 mattrepl [~mattrepl@129.174.97.34] has joined #lisp 19:15:23 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:07 Looks like it's dead, though. 19:17:22 Why could slime suddenly start to not show the hints for function arguments? 19:17:24 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:17:45 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:48 sie: is your repl busy (with a main loop, for example)? 19:18:07 There's a thread in background. 19:18:26 But no, I can write, if that's what you mean. 19:18:28 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:18:56 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:14 Xach: is there a problem with linedit? (aside from its deadness) 19:19:38 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:19:44 tokenrove: it has an aggressive check against osicat versions that doesn't work. 19:19:48 i haven't been using it, myself, in years, but i don't mind making fixes to it. 19:19:53 tokenrove: take out the check and it works fine 19:20:04 right, since osicat has changed a lot since the last linedit release. 19:20:06 can you make a new linedit release? 19:20:07 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:19 i would love to add linedit and terminfo to quicklisp 19:20:32 i believe so, if there's interest in using it. 19:20:45 i think it would be nice to have available 19:20:53 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:21:00 fe[nl]ix: is the current git master of iolib broken? 19:21:18 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:24 kleppari: last i heard, he recommended using 0.7.1 instead of git 19:21:38 oh, ok 19:21:39 thanks 19:22:04 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:22:31 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:54 i'm kind of busy with work at the moment, but i can certainly get to it after wednesday. would you be offended if i asked you to remind me after wednesday if i haven't done it by then? 19:23:13 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:23:14 i'll try to remember. 19:23:40 i'm going to put it on my whiteboard, but things like this get lost in the confusion and swirl sometimes. 19:23:41 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:10 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:24:23 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:24:50 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:50 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:27:14 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:14 tokenrove: org-mode saved my life, fyi ;) 19:28:58 kleppari: heh, i have been using org-mode for a while, but i need the discipline to use it as more than just a dumping ground for giant to-do lists ;-) 19:29:10 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:29:40 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:41 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 19:31:32 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:31:58 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:07 tokenrove: heh, yeah.. the agenda is what makes it fly 19:32:42 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:33:08 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:52 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:34:19 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:20 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:36:43 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:06 Aferlak12 [~Aferlak12@64.120.233.114] has joined #lisp 19:37:23 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:37:50 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:03 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 19:38:33 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:39:02 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:46 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:40:14 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:42 redline6561 [~redline@m355e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:56 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:41:27 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:06 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:42:33 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:13 where is this fucking diff.tar.gz for cliki ? 19:43:16 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:43:29 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:43:33 why do i get it as a dependency when it is not available ? 19:43:44 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@92-200.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:32 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:44:56 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:25 tokenrove: turns out it's not relevant 19:45:30 tokenrove: the CVS has been updated, but not the tarball 19:45:37 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:46:08 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:51 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:47:23 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:01 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:48:29 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:59 Joreji [~thomas@92-200.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:50:08 Xach: that is likely to be the case for any common-lisp.net project i've patched in the last few years -- updates in CVS, no releases. 19:50:32 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:50:47 That's the rather unfortunate norm for common lisp projects generally, with a few notable exceptions. 19:50:53 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:55 since i've been using clbuild or my own checkouts of things, without a demand for a release it tends to slip my mind. 19:51:00 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-140-140.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 19:52:53 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:53:13 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:22 -!- weirdo [sthalik@sthalik.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:53 -!- redline6561 [~redline@m355e36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:55 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:57 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:54:23 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:04 err, why does no one add a package manager for sources like cvs,svn,git,darcs and not from tarballs ? 19:55:07 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:55:27 or does asdf2 handle that ? 19:55:36 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:45 lately, i am trying to be more proactive about such things (on both sides: submitting more patches and bug reports to things i use, too, rather than letting apathy beget entropy). 19:55:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@92-200.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:56:04 weirdo [sthalik@sthalik.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:07 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p4FCDEE70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:56:23 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:56:33 wbooze: Quicklisp aims to do just that. 19:56:39 however, it's difficult when there's no communication; i have no idea if anyone is using anything i have the power to fix, which is part of why i started ircing again even though it's an awful distraction. 19:56:47 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:06 wbooze: we chat about it in #quicklisp, if you'd like to try it. 19:57:12 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A0BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:28 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:57:55 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:37 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:58:45 yep ok 19:59:05 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:07 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1DC59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59:52 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:00:16 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:34 timor [~timor@port-92-195-84-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:37 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-84-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:00:43 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@205.233.9.181] has left #lisp 20:01:30 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:02:20 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:02:39 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:24 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:03:49 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:50 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:04:33 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:05:02 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:42 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:06:12 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:54 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:07:22 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:09 francogrex [~user@109.130.114.170] has joined #lisp 20:09:24 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 20:09:24 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #lisp 20:09:45 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:e588:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:08 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@129.174.97.34] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 20:10:15 powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-60-229-136.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:26 -!- H4ns` [~user@p579FB5AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:46 -!- Dodek [dodek@sundance.i-rpg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:20:07 Dodek [dodek@sundance.i-rpg.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:28 H4ns [~user@p579FB5AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:58 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.160.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:16 How can I redirect io from detached threads to the repl? 20:21:38 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.160.125] has joined #lisp 20:21:46 "detached" in what sense, "to the repl" in what sense? 20:21:58 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:03 -!- blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:23 Detached meaning it's not the main thread, to the repl, meaning I could see it. 20:22:44 (let ((stdout *standard-output*)) (make-thread (lambda () (let ((*standard-output* stdout)) ...))) ; or similar, assuming you are using sbcl and slime 20:23:13 Hell, if you're using slime, isn't there a globally-redirect-io option somewhere? 20:23:25 slime binds the *standard-output* in the repl thread, and new threads pick up the global value, so you need to capture the repl one and pass it on to the child 20:23:35 symbole [~user@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:41 that too 20:25:49 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-140-140.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:34 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:26:36 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27:08 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:38 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:29:51 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 20:29:52 nikodemus, I set *globally-redirect-io* to *standard-output*, but nothing was outputted. :/ 20:30:15 err  swank:*globally... 20:30:20 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 20:30:23 sie: ISTR, it needs to be set somewhere on startup, before connecting. 20:30:31 And it's a boolean flag, not a stream. 20:31:28 anyone uses swig here? 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Could you please explain it more detailedly? 20:38:33 nyef: setting it to *standard-output* would work as a true generalized boolean. 20:38:37 In a word... No. Mainly because I don't use the feature and thus don't know how to set it up. 20:38:41 sykopomp: Yeah, yeah. 20:38:42 unless it was set to nil for some odd reason... 20:38:54 -!- H4ns [~user@p579FB5AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:10 Should throw a type error if you try that, shouldn't it? 20:40:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 20:41:41 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:42 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.114.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:25 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-27-82-248-0-143.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:43 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7562e8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:07 newb question here... how do I escape a cond without quitting the function? (ie returning something in a cond quits the function i think?) 20:45:15 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:45:33 Just "fall off the end" of a clause? 20:45:53 Or set up some non-local-exit entry point. 20:46:18 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:46:42 fall off the end 20:47:02 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-62.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:47:06 Try messing around with (defun foo (x) (cond ((integerp x) (print "integer")) (t (print "not integer"))) (print "whatever")) 20:47:11 svk_ [~kaw@svk.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 20:47:13 pkhuong_ [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 20:47:52 the part where i want it to fall out of the cond is when it hits the else (t ) case 20:48:42 So you want to just not have the (t ...) case in there? 20:48:50 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:52 I can just omit it? 20:48:56 Sure! 20:49:07 Awesome. cheers. 20:49:29 Have fun. 20:51:05 guther [guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has joined #lisp 20:51:58 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A6126.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:39 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-243.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:54:04 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC23BB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:55:40 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.137.79.23] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 20:55:53 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279634293.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 20:56:17 davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:55 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-72-48.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:04:41 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:05:13 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-243.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:31 kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:06:03 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:55 -!- pkhuong_ [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:11:23 -!- svk_ [~kaw@svk.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15:36 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has left #lisp 21:17:03 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:17:22 felideon` [~user@12.228.15.162] has joined #lisp 21:17:27 -!- felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:32 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:53 -!- Cowmoo [~Cowmoo@cambridge-vxty.basistech.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:20:24 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo_] 21:24:56 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:27:33 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:33:30 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-44-235.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:34:47 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl12-86-116.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:35:56 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-1-48.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:35:56 francogrex [~user@109.130.114.170] has joined #lisp 21:36:32 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:37:16 when I want to use cffi I am always compiling the code into a lib and then use load-foreign-library. Is there a way to do the interaction directly without first making a lib.so (or dll)? 21:37:44 francogrex: It depends on the complexity of the software you're attempting to talk to. 21:39:02 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:39:20 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:39:30 nyef: if it's just a simple C file with stdio.h as header 21:39:46 dialtone [~dialtone@70.36.244.244] has joined #lisp 21:39:46 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@70.36.244.244] has quit [Changing host] 21:39:46 dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has joined #lisp 21:39:47 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 21:39:59 I'd just hit libc directly, then. 21:40:09 Or whichever other lib you want to hit. 21:41:03 hugod [~hugod@modemcable086.138-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:41:34 by hit you mean I'd need to load libc first using load-foreign-library? 21:41:53 I'd expect it'd be necessary, yes. 21:42:13 -!- cvandusen [~user@68-90-30-246.ded.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 21:42:19 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 21:42:26 anyone know a way to import all symbols in a package? 21:42:48 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:48 (:use and using-package only import exported symbols) 21:42:57 ok 21:43:21 OliverUv: there's a function called IMPORT, and DO-SYMBOLS 21:43:26 OliverUv: Yes, I can think of a couple methods... But I'd highly disrecommend their use. What on earth is your use-case here? 21:44:08 nyef: I have an app I want to break up into packages to avoid symbol name collitions 21:44:17 smanek [~smanek@c-98-206-218-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:22 one file contains lots of things which should be used by all other files 21:44:23 hugod_ [~hugod@modemcable086.138-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:44:34 while the other files should not affect each other 21:44:50 So... export the symbols from the one package? 21:45:23 but there are so many symbols 21:45:30 and i have two packages like this, actually 21:46:07 tcr: thanks, i might use that although it does indeed feel unclean 21:46:40 Of -course- it feels unclean. It -is- unclean. 21:46:42 If the files belong logically together, they can happily share a package 21:47:12 If the files form separate logical units with clear interfaces then it should not be difficult to put them into separate packages 21:47:13 -!- hugod [~hugod@modemcable086.138-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:47:13 -!- hugod_ is now known as hugod 21:47:36 And if there are "so many symbols", what stops you from writing something to get a complete list? 21:47:48 The only problem you usually end up with is that you need some kind of shared package with utils or whatever 21:47:51 nyef: Laziness 21:47:59 tcr: that is my use case 21:48:28 also common data structures and stuff like that 21:49:11 nyef: I was mostly hoping that lisp would have a way to say either "export all symbols" or "import all symbols" 21:49:23 -!- powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-60-229-136.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 21:49:48 -!- felideon` [~user@12.228.15.162] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:49:53 What's the point of separate packages in that case? 21:50:06 *nyef* points out that writing something to get a full list of symbols used -is- the lazy way. 21:50:06 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:50:57 tcr: so I don't need to put "month-view" or "day-view" or "year-view" as pre/suffixes for every px-day-width px-row-padding px-etc symbol 21:50:58 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:51:26 nyef: yeah, I will probably end up using it 21:51:47 Sorry I don't get it 21:51:53 Are you looking for inheritance? 21:51:56 no 21:52:08 different parts of the app display the same data in different ways 21:52:23 ... presentation! 21:52:25 so I want to say px-row-height and stuff like that 21:52:59 I don't want to have to pre/suffix that with the name of the view 21:53:15 you don't have to if you use generic functions 21:53:27 Have you looked at CLIM-style presentations at all? 21:53:35 nyef: I am using them 21:53:46 Ah. 21:54:03 I'll bow out, then. 21:54:23 I have these px-* definitions as global variables defined in an individual file 21:54:34 so that the look and feel of the app can be configured easily 21:54:42 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.114.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:45 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:11 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 21:57:30 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:58:14 guyal [~guyal@166.205.139.78] has joined #lisp 22:01:31 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has left #lisp 22:02:44 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:07:28 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:28 -!- bozhidar` [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:18 TeMPOraL [~user@178.182.99.107.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:13:13 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 22:13:38 -!- guyal [~guyal@166.205.139.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:15:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:16:35 *nyef* points out that there's already a with-look-and-feel-realization for that sort of thing. 22:17:45 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 22:18:06 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.224.70] has joined #lisp 22:18:28 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.224.70] has left #lisp 22:19:12 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.224.70] has joined #lisp 22:19:44 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@187.87.224.70] has left #lisp 22:25:40 -!- netytan [~netytan@85.211.41.153] has quit [Quit: netytan] 22:26:27 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:01 Mission accomplished. 22:27:32 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:27:37 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:01 nyef: huh, hadn't looked at it before 22:29:16 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:46 seems like it would take a lot of restructuring of my app 22:30:52 and trust that the implementation would follow the standard 22:31:01 something i've come to not trust a single bit 22:32:21 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:32:49 it doesn't turn up when searching through the clim userguide for the allegro implementation i'm using, so I wouldn't dare use it 22:33:58 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:34:55 qbomb [~qbomb@74.112.106.198] has joined #lisp 22:36:54 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:37:14 emma_ [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:40:47 -!- John2496 [~john2496@rrcs-72-43-164-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:26 -!- emma_ is now known as emma 22:44:07 Fair enough. 22:44:48 I was actually told by one of the McCLIM folks a long time ago that that mechanism was unsuited for configuring look-and-feel anyway... But I -still- don't believe it. 22:45:43 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A0BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:02 huh, how to start new sbcl instance from sbcl with run-program if i need something like --eval '(load "file")' 22:48:04 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 22:48:21 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.42] has joined #lisp 22:48:32 regarding quoting stuff ... 22:49:28 I have a horrendeous hack called EXECUTE-AS-SUPERUSER which spawns an sbcl process via the sudo and executes the form provided to EXECUTE-AS-SUPERUSER 22:49:43 -!- Jabberwockey [~jens@89.204.153.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:50:20 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:03 heh, i dont need superuser though, but starting sbcl with run-program with looks hard enough 22:51:16 why? 22:52:08 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:29 (sb-ext:run-program "sbcl" (list (prin1-to-string `(load ,file))) :search t :wait t) ;; untested 22:53:01 prin1-to-string might not qualify all symbols, might be necessary to bind *package* to an empty package around it 22:53:15 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:54:35 hm, tried something like that, probably i screw up something, i'll check again 22:55:21 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 22:56:50 -!- Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-6-107.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 22:57:52 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-254-128.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:57:58 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-254-128.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:58:37 tcr: Should be sufficient to bind to the keyword package, really. 22:59:08 nice trick 23:00:09 Only problem is when an implementation decides that since keywords are in the current package, they can be printed unqualified, but since that's against the rules... 23:00:52 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-195-14-199-117.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:12 -!- wbooze 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