00:03:13 rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-11-130.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 00:03:18 Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-142-65-230.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:01 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755700.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:56 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.58.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:13:28 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483DECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:15:39 fusss [~chatzilla@cpe-184-59-202-37.new.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:15:57 can anyone recommend to me a decent, portablish lexer generator? 00:16:35 there is cl-lex (which i am not too sure of), dso-lex, clawk, etc. 00:17:52 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18:20 Drew McDermott's Lexiparse actually looks good, and there is a paper on it 00:19:35 just needs ASDFization 00:20:18 and some de-AIzation 00:25:09 -!- davazp [~user@205.Red-88-25-184.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 00:26:15 stassats`: how hard would it be to make slime's fuzzy matcher treat non-breaking spaces like hyphens? (: 00:26:56 -!- mephist__ [~mephisto@186.45.17.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:00 it should be extensible, let me look 00:28:33 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:28:37 pkhuong_: *fuzzy-completion-word-separators* on the lisp side 00:29:02 though, looks like it's defined as defparameter, i'll change it to a defvar 00:29:36 stassats`: cool. I'll have to try that style. 00:30:20 stassats`: and can it work with multi-character separators? 00:31:03 i don't think so 00:33:41 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:34:21 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:37:35 Kae [b@c-cfcee253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 00:45:54 -!- srolls [~user@c-76-126-221-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:30 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:31 graylex is the best 00:50:23 -!- s1gma_ [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: irl ragequit] 00:51:53 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:52:32 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:49 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-32-124-169.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire.] 01:00:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:47 Can slime complete character names like #\greek_...? 01:12:02 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:39 no 01:16:23 although, c-p-c can be made to 01:16:41 srolls [~user@c-76-126-221-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:01 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-76-118-76-200.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:38 rtoym: does cmucl have a way for iterating over such characters? 01:18:59 Not sure. I was starting to look over that. 01:19:46 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 01:20:02 sbcl stores unicode character names in a huffman tree 01:21:46 cmucl ultimately stores the character names in an ntrie, except for the ones that can be named algorithmically. 01:22:41 Basically indexed by the codepoint. 01:23:18 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-32-124-169.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:39:08 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42:27 -!- dlowe1 [~dlowe@c-98-216-106-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 01:44:35 What kind of iteration would you need? 01:45:25 rtoym: see swank-backend:character-completion-set 01:47:05 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:47:38 That basically just searchs a list of names until something matches, right? 01:47:50 it returns all match 01:47:51 es 01:49:34 cmucl does have a small codebook of prefixes that, I think, are parts of the names of all characters. 01:50:50 i don't know, but this feature doesn't seem too much useful to me 01:52:23 Probably not. 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There may already be a hook here, or it's a shy function or you should be able to override it. 04:03:14 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:03:29 Of course, this wouldn't deal with external resources deallocation, but at least you could prevent it to quit, and it would be worth for a few cycles. 04:05:12 -!- katofiad [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:05:13 b2ldw1n [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has joined #lisp 04:06:39 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.199.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:07:35 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:08:50 xan_ [~xan@220.118.197.183] has joined #lisp 04:09:55 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:11:11 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:12:13 -!- mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:13:04 mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has joined #lisp 04:16:27 -!- b2ldw1n [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:24:24 aka_ [~yfuna@gate3.tomo-labo.com] has joined #lisp 04:25:26 -!- rme [rme@clozure-76DCBA1F.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:25:26 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-116-106.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:26:12 -!- symbole [~user@216.214.176.130] has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:26:38 symbole [~user@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:29:54 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-116-106.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:27 aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.254.120] has joined #lisp 04:41:27 stassats`: you might find abcl tolerable with swing/swt; haven't tried it yet, but calling the rest of java is easy 04:41:41 thanks, but no thanks 04:42:12 the java or the abcl? 04:42:20 both 04:42:26 awww, abcl is good 04:43:07 any abcl developers in here now? 04:43:28 aceluck: try #abcl, and say longer 04:43:43 easyE is 04:45:07 BladeRunner [~bladerunn@24-107-123-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:48:38 abcl is cool, but for my project I'll probably go with CCL 04:48:56 minion: xcvb 04:48:56 xcvb: XCVB, an eXtensible Component Verifier and Builder for Lisp is an attempt to replace asdf. http://www.cliki.net/xcvb 04:49:45 and after..hmm.. yesterday, I got this idea for incorporating XCVB into it. 04:50:14 will need to check how it will mesh together, SBCL gonna kill me with compilation times at some point, I suspect 04:57:19 kroger [~user@187.58.13.145] has joined #lisp 04:57:28 -!- kroger [~user@187.58.13.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:37 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.254.120] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 05:05:02 aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.254.120] has joined #lisp 05:10:23 oh wow, interesting bug in a lexer.\\W* matches successive whitespaces. shift-bug. 05:10:32 baldwin [~k2t0f12d@121.98.185.20] has joined #lisp 05:11:02 I always used \\s and \\w interchangeably, for some reason 05:11:24 -!- baldwin is now known as k2t0f12d 05:11:49 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-151-146.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 05:17:44 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-21-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:19:23 -!- salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: salva] 05:22:01 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:23:38 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 05:27:15 salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 05:33:25 splittist [~David@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 05:33:31 morning 05:35:52 c|mell [~cmell@m121-202-35-134.smartone-vodafone.com] has joined #lisp 05:38:03 hey splittist 05:39:48 morning 05:43:11 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-116-106.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 05:44:17 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 05:49:25 kiuma [~kiuma@93-36-10-6.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 05:51:34 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55:49 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:46 -!- srolls [~user@c-76-126-221-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:16 -!- c|mell [~cmell@m121-202-35-134.smartone-vodafone.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:03:53 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:05:11 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:06:16 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:07:32 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-61-157.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:01 fiveop [~fiveop@erft-d932f37a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:09:53 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-167-65.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:11:35 Good morning everyone! 06:14:32 Good morning 06:16:56 good evening 06:19:15 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:55 -!- huangho [~vitor@189-30-54-88.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:28:52 *beach* contemplates whether to work on CLIM3 or SICL today. 06:30:35 beach: Any advice for where to start for someone who doesn't grok clim? 06:31:42 aceluck: The McCLIM manual has some good examples to start with. 06:31:57 how outdated is that compared to clim3? 06:32:09 CLIM3 is only an idea in my head. 06:32:20 So that manual is very much up to day. 06:32:36 ok 06:32:44 hey, sicl seems like an interesting project 06:33:07 I have my own (toy) lisp imlementation that I'd like to bring closer to CL 06:33:11 aceluck: Thanks. A bit crazy probably, but by breaking it up into independent modules, perhaps it is doable. 06:33:36 aceluck: Oh, yes, SICL is definitely for you then. The conses module is pretty much done. 06:33:54 excellent! Checking it out now 06:33:55 aceluck: And there is stuff like setf expanders and conditions. 06:34:36 what is the minimum core required for any of that to work? (or how do i find out) 06:35:21 #'load and iterate over the errors? 06:35:23 ^^ 06:36:12 aceluck: For the conses module, you need the loop macro, and car/cdr, and of course things like defun, let, etc. But that should be it. 06:36:35 cool - I was asking a couple of days ago for a CL implemented in CL 06:36:38 this looks like it 06:36:57 aceluck: It is not finished, and won't be for some time, but some modules are getting there. 06:37:14 aceluck: FORMAT is done except for the floating-point printers. 06:38:13 great work! Who's doing this? 06:38:17 me 06:38:43 aceluck: And the docstrings module is only 10% or so finished, but the docstrings are quite good if I may say so myself; certainly better than those you will find in a typical implementation. 06:39:47 this looks awesome 06:40:04 If you're still contemplating, do sicl today 06:40:07 ;) 06:40:16 aceluck: It is not awesome quite yet, but I it has the potential to become awesome one day perhaps. 06:40:37 aceluck: Thanks for the advice! 06:43:56 beach: how far is the reader along? 06:45:24 -!- xinming_ is now known as xinming 06:46:34 aceluck: The algorithm itself is going pretty well. It is very fast for some important special case (in fact it seems 25% faster than that of SBCL). I need to implement the general case, which will take a few days. Most of the standard reader macros are missing, and I haven't implemented the floating-point reader according to the paper by Gay, so that could be improved as well. 06:52:56 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@erft-d932f37a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 06:53:23 impressive stuff 06:53:35 Thanks! 06:53:35 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 06:54:20 aceluck: Some of the conses and sequences stuff is also significantly faster than that of SBCL, even when compiled with (speed 0) (debug 3). 07:04:18 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:06:14 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 07:06:25 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Quit: rich_holygoat] 07:08:34 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-95-41.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:12:35 valvola [~val@host33-248-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:20:09 freddie111 [~user@ppp-94-64-160-175.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:33:55 jmbr [~jmbr@217.168.1.228] has joined #lisp 07:34:25 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:34:51 -!- freddie111 [~user@ppp-94-64-160-175.home.otenet.gr] has left #lisp 07:36:40 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 07:38:41 -!- tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: tltstc] 07:40:12 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:40:25 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:40:35 xinming [~hyy@115.221.13.106] has joined #lisp 07:40:41 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 07:50:29 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: blarg internets] 07:53:57 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:54:06 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:54:13 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-11-130.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:34 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 08:06:03 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:09:39 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 08:12:33 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-62.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:14:15 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@54-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 08:16:15 ak70 [~ak70@80.77.204.157] has joined #lisp 08:17:53 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@54-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 08:27:19 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 08:28:53 aceluck: For you information, I decided to work on the SICL reader today. 08:29:43 beach: Excellent ;) Was going to suggest that 08:30:17 My challenge seems to be loop 08:30:24 even cons-high depends on loop 08:31:39 and your loop implementation needs at least defclass 08:31:46 aceluck: Yes, loop only does the syntax analysis at the moment. The next step is to check the semantics of each clause, and the ordering between the clauses, and then to generate code. 08:31:52 so I'm not sure where to start 08:32:07 I see 08:32:30 aceluck: The theory behind that is that the loop macro would typically be executed by a host Lisp system that has all those things. 08:32:48 Sure 08:33:04 I'm just wondering what "All those things" are , so I can implement them in my lisp 08:33:14 so that I can use your modules for the rest 08:33:24 kind of , what's the minimal core needed to run sicl 08:33:42 aceluck: I see what you mean. 08:34:13 I know that sicl is far from done though, I'm not complaining :) 08:34:25 I know. 08:34:26 I think it's a great idea 08:34:41 Glad you like it. 08:34:56 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754556.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:35:35 There are so many "implement scheme in scheme" (or in perl, or python, or....) articles / blogs out there 08:35:56 Would be cool to get to "Implement this little core, load sicl, and you have a full blown CL" 08:37:07 then you could make the tiny core on the jvm, clr, in ocaml, in erlang, javascript, llvm, whatever platform you want 08:37:08 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:37:08 aceluck: There is also the SACLA project which is probably no longer being worked on, and which is probably further along in some respects compared to SICL, but the additional goal of SICL is high-performance, so that implementers will be tempted the way you are now. 08:37:24 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-41-17.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 08:37:29 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0AD02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:38 aceluck: That is the goal, yes. 08:38:10 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 08:38:53 It's interesting for me since I'm starting with the core, having made one in javascript, java and objective C and Go 08:39:17 but these are not very useful without , well, what you have in sicl 08:39:53 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-80-147.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:40:45 aceluck: Yes, I see. The thing is, I haven't completely thought through the bootstrapping process from a tiny core to a full-blown system. I am putting that off by creating modules that have as few dependencies as possible. 08:42:39 Well, performance wise it's probably better with an optimized rather than a tiny core, so you shouldn't worry about that at this stage 08:43:49 If, let's say, implementing loop natively would allow me to suddenly use a lot of sicl, I'd just do that, and replace it with your loop when it's ready 08:43:50 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 08:44:56 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@217.168.1.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:45:51 for the more common platforms where there are good CL implementations already, the approach you're writing about, replacing modules with sicl modules where they're better makes more sense than building new cores 08:52:44 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:56:32 Is define-symbol-macro supposed work at compile time?.. 09:01:53 aceluck: You might be able to macro-expand some SICL modules on a different platform, so that all that is left is CL special operators and functions. 09:02:22 beach: Good point - will try that 09:02:35 aceluck: In fact, now that I think about it, it would be a good idea for SICL to distribute macro-expanded versions of it's modules. 09:02:41 *its 09:02:51 mad5ci [~mad5ci@d37-90.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 09:03:08 or just distribute a function that will do it in your host lisp 09:03:47 Hmm, yes, that would be a code walker wouldn't it, and now that becomes its own module... 09:05:38 DaDa` [~user@196-120.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:05:38 aceluck: You just gave me something interesting to think about. Thanks! 09:06:12 beach: Anything I can do to distract you from what you were planning to do ;) 09:06:28 aceluck: :) 09:07:17 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:08:10 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:08:58 Zephyrus [~emanuele@zephyrus.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:03 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@zephyrus.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:09:03 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 09:14:21 beach: which host lisp are you developing this under? 09:16:49 aceluck: I am using SBCL, but that shouldn't be important, as long as it is a full CL. 09:17:04 muddyferret [~muddyferr@83.43.82.224] has joined #lisp 09:17:37 beach: I use sbcl as well, so that's fine. How do you load it though? The .asd's seem not up to the task 09:18:02 I'm probably doing it wrong 09:18:31 aceluck: Which module? 09:19:06 beach: uhm.. I was starting from the sicl.asd 09:19:16 which needs tags.lisp 09:19:19 aceluck: That probably won't work. Go for each module. 09:19:23 ok 09:20:26 aceluck: Result of thinking so far: If SICL macros generate code that contains only references to standard CL functions (as opposed to SICL-specific functions, and which I have already decided to do), then I can distribute macro-expanded versions of each module, such as the conses or sequences modules, that would require only standard CL special operators. 09:20:50 beach: That would be very very useful 09:20:59 I think it would, yes. 09:21:32 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:23:20 I was thinking to load all the files in, put the symbols for each definition into a hash table, and start processing each form, and whenever an unknown symbol is found, look it up, then process it recursively, thus automatically getting things loaded in dependency order 09:24:36 One could call a macroexpand on each of those forms in the process 09:26:00 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:27:01 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:27:14 aceluck: Is this a suggestion for SICL to do? 09:28:05 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.201.91] has joined #lisp 09:28:07 beach: I'm thinking out loud... Manually determining dependencies seems unnecessary when we're dealing with sexp's all the way 09:28:27 I mean manually determining load order 09:28:36 aceluck: There could be circular dependencies that can only be resolved by a cross compiler, or by the mechanism I just described (supply macro-expanded versions). 09:29:19 aceluck: Such as conses requiring loop, loop requiring defclass, and defclass requiring conses. 09:29:23 my loader creates proxies for handling circularities 09:29:48 replacing the proxy with the real implementation when the function is actually called 09:30:20 aceluck: That might not work either because it might be a function that is required at macro-expansion time. 09:31:09 aceluck: I think the best bet is what I just described: make sure each module comes with a version that requires only standard CL special operators. 09:31:12 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 09:31:53 Soulman1 [~knute@159.80-202-237.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 09:32:10 beach: For sure. But your modules do use functions from your own modules, that would be part of those expanded forms/ 09:32:11 ? 09:32:54 aceluck: No, I am explicitly planning to avoid using SICL-specific functions in macro-expanded code. 09:33:28 aceluck: The macro-expanders might use such specific code, but that will be gone by the time the macro-expansion is done. 09:34:45 beach: I meant... will your cons module be macroexpanded using sicls loop macro? 09:34:58 or the host lisp's? 09:35:13 aceluck: SICL's; that's the only possibility. 09:35:32 Otherwise there will be references to host-specific functions in expanded code. 09:36:08 perfect, now we're talking 09:37:22 I tried macroexpanding some simple forms in various implementations, and it varies quite a bit 09:37:37 It does, yes. 09:37:48 ... which is why it is urgent to finish the SICL loop macro. 09:38:13 yeah, loop was the first barrier I encountered, as mentioned 09:38:39 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.199.58] has joined #lisp 09:39:13 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 09:46:05 LaPingvino [52ab89fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.171.137.254] has joined #lisp 09:48:15 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:49:14 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:50:56 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:51:55 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:02:23 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03:22 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: zZzZzZz] 10:03:27 vpalle [~vpalle@62.198.93.105] has joined #lisp 10:03:55 -!- valvola [~val@host33-248-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 10:07:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:07:54 -!- aka_ [~yfuna@gate3.tomo-labo.com] has left #lisp 10:08:16 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 10:08:19 beach: Not sure I follow you on why you want to remove all sicl functions from the macroexpanded code... 10:08:19 graylex is awesome 10:08:41 keeps track of rows and columns for more meaningful error messages 10:08:47 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:51 aceluck: Functions in the same module would be acceptable I suppose, but if at all possible I would like for macro-expanded to be readable to someone who doesn't necessarily know the details of the inner works of SICL. 10:10:13 s/macro-expanded/macro-expanded code/ 10:10:17 beach: ah okay 10:11:10 beach: that ought to be acceptable, I don't see why not. Else everything has to be implemented as macros? 10:11:13 aceluck: This might penalize the size of the macro-expanded code, with possibly degraded cache performance as a result. But I am hoping this will not happen too often. 10:11:30 -!- symbole [~user@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:58 beach: Then build a walker that traverses the expanded code, looking for any repeating patterns, and building functions automatically where doing so would reduce codesize, and the overhead of a function call would not be too great 10:14:20 optimal refactoring 10:14:27 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:14:35 aceluck: Sure, there are a number of things like that that could be done. 10:17:18 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-69-217.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20:34 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 10:25:22 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:27:50 -!- vpalle [~vpalle@62.198.93.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:28:05 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-36-247.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:31:30 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DECC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:21 -!- daniel__ is now known as daniel 10:57:21 Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-11746.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 11:00:23 josemanuel [~josemanue@128.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 11:03:56 jmbr [~jmbr@109.227.133.188] has joined #lisp 11:04:07 -!- xan_ [~xan@220.118.197.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:05 tfb [~tfb@92.41.181.215.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:10:42 xan_ [~xan@220.118.197.183] has joined #lisp 11:14:39 -!- cinch [~cinch@unaffiliated/cinch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:08 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-95-41.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17:48 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 11:20:22 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:46 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 11:27:31 -!- LaPingvino [52ab89fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.171.137.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:32:45 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:33:38 -!- DaDa` [~user@196-120.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:36 ivan4th [~ivan4th@212.1.228.48] has joined #lisp 11:50:50 hi ivan4th 11:52:09 hi 11:52:17 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:53:01 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:55:05 btw, did anybody try or think about trying to compile / use CommonQt on N900 using Closure CL ARM port? Is it worth trying? (I'll have to install gcc on the device again & find a way to build part of kdebindings...) 11:55:23 gary1195 [~chatzilla@p5B0157E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:56:15 -!- gary1195 [~chatzilla@p5B0157E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 11:56:19 Blkt [~user@net-93-146-154-84.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 11:56:50 good day everyone 11:57:45 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 12:00:11 Don't know, partly because I don't have a smartphone with a new-enough ARM CPU for Clozure (my iPhone doesn't qualify, I think), much less one with Maemo Qt goodness. 12:00:38 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:01:07 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:01:13 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 12:01:20 I'd guess that CommonQt with Clozure on embedded hardware also needs way more optimization, considering how amazingly slow CommonQt is on Clozure compared to SBCL. 12:01:39 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:21 -!- ak70 [~ak70@80.77.204.157] has left #lisp 12:03:58 I still didn't manage to get good enough CL environment for building GUI apps on the device due to lack of time, but I still want to, and I wonder whether I should try to make it using CLISP port or Clozure CL... Is there any info whether Clozure CL for ARM will be worked on any further? 12:04:49 (i.e. are ccl maintainers interested in it or was it an one-time experiment) 12:05:02 not that I know of (rme could probably say more), but considering that Clozure's work is generally sponsored by paying clients, I can't really imagine otherwise. 12:09:11 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-49-182.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:11:36 also, concerning CommonQt ... I was doing some work in June concerning migration of my SCADA stuff to it from clg (and I will resume that work soon). I've noticed that in commonqt.cpp in sw_make_qstring() is using new QString(str) instead of new QString(QString::fromLocal8Bit(str)), which breaks non-latin1 locales. Also IIRC qt-repl broke a bit, will send a patch a bit later 12:13:16 Sounds like we really need test cases. 12:13:31 also, there are commits by stassats that I haven't worked on merging yet: http://github.com/stassats/commonqt 12:13:58 DaDa` [~user@196-120.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 12:14:01 I'm mostly interested in improving speed further at this point, but have been highly distracted from most non-paid Lisp work. 12:14:53 the whole signal/slot nonsense also needs to become way easier, without users having to define subclasses all over the place just to connect a signal. 12:17:35 a working qt-repl would be nice for "normal" users out there. Personally I've tried sticking to hemlock, where the slave is already sitting in the Qt event loop, but admittedly portable hemlock is rather far from being a usable slime replacement at this point. 12:19:25 moah [~gnu@188.109.167.9] has joined #lisp 12:19:40 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-5-34.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 12:23:34 I extracted connect/* stuff from qt-hemlock for my signal/slot needs 12:24:43 ohih0wru [~andrei@78.84.168.243] has joined #lisp 12:24:58 silenius [~silenus@i59F711D4.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:25:07 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114221 12:28:18 hmm, I forget: Doesn't current CommonQt cache those objects unconditionally anyway, i.e. *receivers* shouldn't be needed to keep those objects alive anymore? 12:29:46 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:31:58 While the reason I switched to manual memory management was mostly the dismal speed of weak hash tables, I actually found it easier to deallocate C++ objects manually than keeping needed objects alive was before with the finalization scheme. 12:33:35 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-36-10-6.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 12:33:46 Weak hash tables and finalization and all that sounded great initially, but I feel that CommonQt by default should be more like an FFI for C++. 12:33:58 Having menu entries just disappear occasionally (due to having been GCed) doesn't feel like the FFI is operating at the right level. (And that's a harmless, crashless example.) 12:34:45 don't remember why I used *receivers* right now, maybe just cargoculted it at the early stage... I remember having some problems with dead/zombie objects, but don't remember what they were exactly... 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Wasting space? If the elements of the array are other arrays or vectors, then you will probably waste very little space; a pointer per inner array or vector. 13:52:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:03 beach, yeah memory (extra pointer in the array + extra object header for pointed objects + possible fragmentation, gc overhead) and runtime (additional indirection + resultig page faults, no prefetching possible as memory is not stored sequential....) 13:53:49 thomas001: I think those fears are all largely unfounded. 13:53:50 did you measure that? 13:55:00 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:55:44 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 13:56:38 Blkt [~user@net-93-146-154-84.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 13:57:04 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.58.45] has joined #lisp 13:59:14 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:03 stassats`, no i was just thinking what low level optimizations are generally possible in lisp 14:00:29 ... This sounds like it might be an interesting conversation... 14:00:39 hello nyef 14:00:43 Hello beach. 14:06:04 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 14:07:53 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@109.227.133.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:09:04 -!- dys` [~andreas@krlh-5f721f16.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:29 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-88-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 14:16:28 TeMPOraL [~user@apn-77-114-44-31.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #lisp 14:18:15 *splittist* wonders if implementing the SICL core with an FPGA would be siclcon... 14:18:28 *sigh* 14:18:41 or siclicon, perhaps. 14:19:18 siclion? ENUFF 14:19:57 lichtblau: in CXML, CXML::CATALOG-PARSER handler generates a lot of 'deprecated SAX default method used by a handler that is not a subclass of SAX:ABSTRACT-HANDLER or HAX:ABSTRACT-HANDLER' warnings. Making it inherit SAX:DEFAUT-HANDLER fixes the issue 14:22:56 http://paste.lisp.org/+2G4W (I hope it's correct) 14:27:42 thanks, pushed 14:28:34 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 14:35:25 -!- rrice [~rrice@adsl-76-253-140-91.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:36:31 TeMPOraL` [~user@apn-77-114-44-31.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #lisp 14:36:43 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@apn-77-114-44-31.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:27 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-142-192.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:38:48 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-99-53.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:40:21 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-99-53.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:41:11 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-142-192.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:41:38 lnostdal_ [~quassel@56.84-48-233.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 14:42:37 -!- lnostdal [~quassel@56.84-48-233.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping 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16:26:16 zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.105] has joined #lisp 16:28:23 ah, you're here 16:28:42 so i've just watched the quicklisp screencasts, and it looks like just what I want 16:28:52 I was wondering if I could have a play ;) 16:30:42 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33:45 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 16:34:33 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.199.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:35:08 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.199.58] has joined #lisp 16:35:41 -!- brickhazel [~brickhaze@63-144-132-78.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:36:12 vp8dmh: sure! we chitchat about it in #quicklisp 16:38:22 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-99-53.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:38:25 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-99-53.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:40:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.201.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:43:38 -!- lnostdal_ [~quassel@56.84-48-233.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 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Just have to look closely at lisp-unit. 19:39:06 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:23 vpalle [~vpalle@62.198.93.105] has joined #lisp 19:41:08 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:56 I'd like to implement a simple toy program of hash tables (without using cl's build in hash table resources) for didactic purposes 19:44:49 francogrex: have my blessings! 19:45:07 thanks 19:48:01 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1DDFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:54 lemoinem [~swoog@38-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:42 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:35 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@149.43.186.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:58:22 aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.254.120] has joined #lisp 19:58:48 -!- Sikander [~soemraws@oemrawsingh.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:59:37 -!- vpalle 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joined #lisp 22:21:22 -!- TeMPOraL` [~user@apn-77-112-139-164.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:21:55 is there anyone who know a bit of genetic algorithms who would be so kind to review my code? 22:21:57 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:12 not yet 22:22:56 what do you mean? 22:25:14 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:27:20 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 22:27:29 i mean i don't know them well, to be of help, though i know a lil bit about them, doesn't mean i know them well enough... 22:27:57 -!- bohanlon [~bohanlon@pool-173-48-104-141.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Farewell!] 22:30:59 I see, thanks anyway 22:38:44 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.166.7] has joined #lisp 22:39:15 -!- xyxxyyy2 [~xyxu@58.41.166.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:43:10 -!- vpalle_ [~vpalle@62.198.93.105] has 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