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Time for a new battery or something. 00:38:25 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:38 HarryS [H@2001:470:892c:3432::1] has joined #lisp 00:39:45 If you change and .asd file to, say, add a dependency from one .lisp file to another, should ASDF notice and recompile the depending file if nothing else has changed? 00:42:38 Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-227-152.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 00:44:12 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@82.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:45:29 jmbr [~jmbr@82.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 00:45:38 -!- HarryS [H@2001:470:892c:3432::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:13 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:46:39 *rtoym* would think so, but doesn't actually know without testing. 00:47:58 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483DD14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:48:38 Xach: do you want clojur-ish blog posts on planet.lisp.org or just clojure job requests? 00:49:06 Seems like not. 00:49:36 The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:49:38 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 00:49:49 *gigamonkey* would vote for allowing clojurish posts on Planet Lisp if he had a vote. 00:51:31 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 00:52:11 gigamonkey: asdf doesn't recompile? That just seems wrong. 00:55:16 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@36-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:55:38 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 00:55:38 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:34 rtoym: Yeah. I just sent Fare a test case. 00:56:48 At least whatever version of ASDF is in SBCL 1.0.41 00:59:41 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 01:05:54 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:22 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:44 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 01:16:16 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:18:02 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 01:19:42 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 01:20:21 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:20:58 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 01:23:16 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:23:48 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:53 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 01:24:31 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 01:26:04 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has quit [Quit: red1ynx] 01:26:16 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:29:40 HarryS [H@2001:470:892c:3432::1] has joined #lisp 01:32:54 antivigilante [~antivigil@184-98-134-85.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:34:10 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:34:23 -!- HarryS [H@2001:470:892c:3432::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:29 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-98-216-106-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 01:34:38 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:29 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:31 gko [~gko@111.82.46.196] has joined #lisp 01:39:12 -!- TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@202-173-162-181.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 01:39:44 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 01:41:04 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:41:52 -!- gko [~gko@111.82.46.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:46:40 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:46:56 gko [~gko@111.82.46.196] has joined #lisp 01:49:44 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 01:49:50 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:50:56 solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvpcd.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 01:56:10 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:56:53 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:59:45 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:05:22 abugosh [~Adium@pool-71-127-44-230.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:57 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06:02 -!- bandu is now known as coyo 02:06:48 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@184-98-134-85.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07:02 dnm [~dnm@c-68-34-57-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:46 |CTAPOMAK| [~kvirc@host-95-189-176-245.pppoe.omsknet.ru] has joined #lisp 02:09:43 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:15:50 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:03 is there a command for breaking from the current loop without signaling an error or warning? 02:16:36 s/command/function/ 02:17:00 i'm trying to add a quit command to a repl 02:19:42 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:21:26 derrida: (apropos "quit") should be useful. 02:22:35 -!- rpg [~rpg@vbn.0067207.lodgenet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24:27 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:26:00 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:30 derrida: loop-finish, return-from. 02:29:40 ry509 [~user@c-67-161-213-229.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:42 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:32:45 question, I just installed (via macports) sbcl and configured slime in emacs to use it. If I call a CL function it evaluates just fine in the repl. If I 'defun' my own it seems to create the function, but calling it results in "[Condition of type UNDEFINED-FUNCTION]" 02:32:48 any ideas? 02:33:07 seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:15 Where are you defining your function? 02:33:21 At the REPL? Or in a source file? 02:33:36 at the repl 02:33:57 gigamonkey == peter seibel? 02:34:03 type (apropos 'function-name-here) 02:34:10 solussd: yes. 02:34:11 solussd: yes. 02:34:19 at the repl 02:34:38 heh. I was reading on-lisp until thismorning when someone suggest I step back from that and start with your book. :) 02:34:52 Maybe you can paste (http://paste.lisp.org/new/) the REPL interaction . 02:34:58 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 02:35:07 My minions are everywhere! 02:35:27 gigamonkey: you should sell pins with your book to recognize them in the streets. 02:35:54 oh, I'm not your minion... yet. :) I was doing pretty well with on-lisp, made it through chapter 7. My only lisp background is clojure, until now, that is 02:36:00 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:11 I meant whoever recommended it 02:37:08 solussd: and where do you call it? 02:37:51 I fail at CL... I didn't notice a 'style warning' that was causing the error. false alarm 02:38:06 dmiles_akf [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:11 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:20 pkhuong_: pjb: thank you. 02:38:35 anyway, nice to know you hang out in #lisp 02:39:45 -!- dmiles_akf [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:45 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:40:20 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:40:46 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 02:43:12 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-71-127-44-230.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:44:50 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:25 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:45 Good morning everyone! 02:45:56 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:35 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:49:43 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:49:49 abugosh [~Adium@pool-71-127-44-230.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:58 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:05 hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-110-153.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 02:50:35 Morning beach. 02:50:48 are there any simple ways to tally the keys is an a-list? 02:50:57 sea4ever [~sea@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 02:51:14 derrida: Keys? 02:51:45 hash-table :) 02:52:09 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-71-127-44-230.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:52:24 clhs hash-table-count 02:52:27 he means "count the number of instances of each car of an alist" 02:52:52 indeed 02:53:17 derrida: (length (remove-duplicates alist :key #'car)) 02:53:46 possibly with a :test argument to remove-duplicates if you want them compared by something other than EQL. 02:53:51 Oh! I systematically fail to understand what people are asking, whereas others seem to have no problem :( 02:54:03 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:35 derrida: Yes, a hash table would work. (loop with ht = (make-hash-table) for entry in alist do (incf (gethash (car entry) ht 0)) finally return ht) 02:55:38 beach: actually, I have foreknowledge. 02:55:39 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:51 gigamonkey: hmm 02:56:05 gigamonkey: number of instances of each, not number of unique ones 02:56:21 gigamonkey: That "solution" isn't one for the problem that Ralith posed. 02:57:35 derrida: you should just paste the example usage here :P 02:57:47 depends how you interpret Ralith. it's a solution to how I first read him - I had to think about it for a minute to conceive another interpretation. 02:57:48 yeah :D 02:57:54 rich_holygoat_ [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 02:58:34 (tally-alist '((a 10) (b 20) (c30) (c 40) (c 30) (c 50))) => ((a 1) (b 1) (c 3)) 02:59:41 derrida: No, ((a 1) (b 1) (c 3) (c30 1)) 02:59:43 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 02:59:57 heh 02:59:59 hehe :P 03:01:03 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 03:01:13 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:01:13 -!- rich_holygoat_ is now known as rich_holygoat 03:01:27 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:02:11 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 03:03:04 er, okay, I take that back. 03:03:35 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096727202.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:03:39 it's a broken solution to the wrong problem, I guess. :) 03:03:44 ahoy all. 03:04:01 (mapcar (lambda (key) (list key (count key *foo* :key #'car))) (remove-duplicates (mapcar #'car *foo*))) 03:04:15 what's the best way to implement a ring buffer in lisp? vectors? lists with tail pointers? none of the above? 03:04:55 to specify, by ring buffer, I mean to something to store n elements, and every time an element is added, the last element is flushed out. 03:05:26 Shaftoe: dunno about best but I'd use a class defined with defclass containing a simple-vector and an index. 03:05:41 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:42 Shaftoe: So it has fixed size? 03:05:49 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 03:05:51 yes. 03:06:00 gigamonkey: an all out class eh? 03:06:04 hefner: awesome :D 03:06:16 beach: yes 03:06:27 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 03:06:43 Shaftoe: I'm a DEFSTRUCT-denialist. 03:06:47 Shaftoe: And by "the last element is flushed out" you mean "Should there currently be n elements in the ringbuffer, then adding another one removes the first one that was inserted"? 03:07:07 beach: yes. 03:07:21 Shaftoe: Use a vector and use MOD to compute the index. 03:07:27 as an aside, implementing this in an imperative language is simply a question of declaring a n long.. 03:07:32 exactly what I Was going to say beach 03:07:46 however, I was wondering if there was a more lispy way of doing it 03:08:01 Shaftoe: You are in luck because Lisp can be used as an imperative language. 03:08:21 indeed, it can. 03:08:22 Well, you could make a circular list and then keep a reference to the next cons cell where you want to store something. 03:08:23 how about "language with arrays"? 03:08:29 Shaftoe: Lists can be wasteful if you store small things such as characters, DNA letters, or even bitrs. 03:08:47 bitrs? 03:08:53 *bits 03:08:59 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 03:09:01 I'd think *especially* bits 03:09:03 so what I'm hearing is that I will offend no lisp gods if I just use a vector and the modulus operator 03:09:04 Angry, jaded bits. 03:09:17 aye? 03:09:45 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 03:09:59 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:09:59 Hey, what's the significance of /usr/lib/clisp/full? 03:10:10 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 03:12:26 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 03:13:01 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 03:15:04 Seems to be a sort of 'set' of modules..why aren't all modules just held in one place instead of in directories like this? 03:15:23 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:15:41 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:52 hmm. is there an equivalent to format's ~{~a~} for vectors? 03:16:06 Shaftoe: nope. 03:16:37 ahhh the tears 03:16:43 =) 03:16:54 Any historical reason it happened that way? 03:18:57 its lisp :-P 03:19:45 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 03:20:11 fair enough. I was just wondering if there was some sort of esotheric reason for it to be that way. 03:20:34 probably just didn't seem important at the time 03:20:46 you can always coerce it, of course 03:21:19 i mean, realistically, if you are doing io, that will be a lot slower than coercing a vector to list (i'd assume?..) 03:21:55 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 03:24:03 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:48 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:54 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-223-8.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:24:54 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-223-8.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:24:54 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 03:25:45 yeah. it's not a real issue. I'm just going to loop over it and be done. the whole thing is a debugging effort anyways. very low usage. 03:26:05 Hm. 03:26:58 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Quit: rich_holygoat] 03:27:16 Okay, so it sounds like scheme style continuations would essentially let you set a point in a function to return to, pass that return point to some other function, have the other function do something, and then go back to the return point. 03:27:52 Unless I'm really misreading that. 03:28:05 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28:11 tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #lisp 03:28:48 So now I'm wondering if you could get similar-looking functionality via closures. Like, if you returned a lambda function enclosing around the state-stuff you wanted saved and had the thing that you returned the lambda function to call said lambda function? 03:28:51 its like you save an environment and go back to it later 03:29:48 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 03:31:01 people have simulated continuations with closures, but it isn't quite the same 03:31:07 Right. 03:31:29 I think it might work for what I'm trying to do with this personal project, though. 03:31:50 Actually the closures solution is probably closer to what I actually *want* to do anyway, here. 03:32:01 you'll want to avoid like, unwind-protect, throw, catch 03:32:29 they will weird it up if you are genuinely simulating scheme 03:32:41 I'm not, actually. 03:32:43 'scheme style continuations' 03:32:57 that's good :-) they're easier to use in scheme 03:32:59 As I said, closures are probably more like what I want to do, but my mind started wandering and I got to thinking about other things. 03:33:31 I'm interested in learning Scheme eventually. 03:34:15 although it seems like a lot of what it does, and the reasons for the differences, would be lost on me if I didn't bother learning CL first. Also generally finding a lot more CL resources, which is helpful. 03:35:38 yeah, i always go to play with scheme and kind of find myself at a loss as to what to do with it 03:35:50 'ok, i've installed racket, now what' 03:35:56 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xvwjbhazzngwyctm] has joined #lisp 03:36:11 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:13 I tried working through HTDP but that was glacial and it didn't get into the Cool Fun Stuff anyway. like call/cc. 03:36:32 -!- davazp [~user@128.Red-88-6-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:28 Also the macro system in Scheme looks more robust but in a manner that renders it completely useless if you don't know how to write lisp-style macros already 03:38:27 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.199.138] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 03:38:57 I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get inadvertant variable capture until I end up doing it by mistake anyway, so... I have this weird tendency to learn better by doing things the wrong way and then figuring out why it's wrong, I guess. 03:39:46 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 03:44:14 i do that too 03:44:26 cl macros are fairly robust 03:44:33 it is easier to shoot yourself in the foot 03:46:12 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:19 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 03:49:48 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 03:55:28 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-bolhehnbeongxytv] has joined #lisp 03:56:15 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:22 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:59:47 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 04:00:15 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:01:15 Shaftoe: one reason for the lack of vector iteration in FORMAT is that vectors and arrays were not settled in CL a year or so into the design whereas FORMAT already existed. 04:01:37 gigamonkey: I figured it was something of that kind. 04:02:07 There was an inordinate amount of back-and-forth about whether vectors were a degenerate case of arrays or their own thing, yadda yadda yadda. 04:03:59 when was this? 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It didn't allow you to get a new one via email? 09:50:59 i changed my email and forgot the password to the previous 09:53:05 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has joined #lisp 09:54:15 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 09:55:18 turns it got deleted out of inactivity and i was able to change it 09:59:06 -!- nha [~prefect@vpn-b-195-010.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:59:16 Ok dumped the issues that came to mind immediately 10:00:12 xan_ [~xan@124.62.3.57] has joined #lisp 10:03:28 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has joined #lisp 10:04:31 Should keep you busy for a while :-) 10:08:35 -!- katerbau [~axel@static-87-79-66-80.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:32 katerbau [~axel@static-87-79-66-80.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:10:03 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:45 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #lisp 10:10:59 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:30 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:17:27 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:18:38 fe[nl]ix: so what do you think about that alexandria/asdf conflict in iolib? 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12:47:30 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0ABDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:47:35 i didn't apply it because i'm unsure what to do with this -1 12:48:48 -!- The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49:05 plediii [~plediii@nat-168-7-229-149.rice.edu] has joined #lisp 12:49:10 stassats: Let me test it with -1 and see what happens. 12:51:19 -!- nha [~prefect@vpn-a-183-142.epfl.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:17 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:53:09 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:54:59 i think callers of frame-ip should check for -1 and display appropriate messages 12:56:12 Shoggoth_ [~chatzilla@CPE-58-172-210-36.ewqo1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:57:24 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:58:21 sykopomp [~sykopomp@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:01:59 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B7E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:36 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:12:58 tfb [~tfb@92.41.125.101.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:15:26 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:15:58 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-9-217.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:29 nha [~prefect@vpn-a-183-126.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 13:17:53 serichsen [~user@f048198221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:18:33 Good afternoon! 13:19:25 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:10 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 13:23:15 MagBo [~Sweater@195.114.56.71] has joined #lisp 13:26:59 -!- nha [~prefect@vpn-a-183-126.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:27:08 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 13:28:54 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 13:29:19 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:29:31 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29:47 -!- Kae [~b@c-cfcee253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:57 Kae [b@c-cfcee253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:31:53 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.67.157.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: asdf] 13:33:55 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:34:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has left #lisp 13:39:45 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xvwjbhazzngwyctm] has left #lisp 13:46:44 rrice [~rrice@76.253.140.91] has joined #lisp 13:47:06 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.67.157.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 13:47:38 fe[nl]ix: i see the commit from yesterday, thanks. 13:48:01 -!- Shoggoth_ [~chatzilla@CPE-58-172-210-36.ewqo1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091124072228]] 14:01:13 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-104-162-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:28 hlavaty [~user@77-22-104-162-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:02:48 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:02:50 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 14:05:02 -!- |CTAPOMAK| [~kvirc@host-95-189-176-245.pppoe.omsknet.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:02 |CTAPOMAK| [~kvirc@host-92-124-139-33.pppoe.omsknet.ru] has joined #lisp 14:06:04 -!- |CTAPOMAK| [~kvirc@host-92-124-139-33.pppoe.omsknet.ru] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:08:42 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08:46 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@unaffiliated/stattrav] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:57 -!- solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvpcd.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: solussd] 14:11:32 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:12:48 postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-254-16.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 14:14:40 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:50 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 14:18:01 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:04 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:18 gigamonkey: hi. i was looking at your `once-only' macro and i believe that there is no need to gensym twice and that the let (,,g ,,n) should be a let* to ensure evaluation order. am i missing something? 14:29:03 -!- navigator [~navigator@p54897AF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:35:12 oh, coolness. clon is out! 14:35:41 clon has been out 14:35:54 http://github.com/dto/clon is it 14:36:26 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:36:53 EOVERLOAD 14:37:20 http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier/software/lisp/clon.php 14:37:26 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:37:36 (didier's command line parser on steroids) 14:37:42 oops, i mean http://quotenil.com/git/?p=clon.git;a=summary 14:37:51 Worst Name Ever. 14:38:37 hah 14:43:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45:19 The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:24 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has joined #lisp 14:46:21 Xach: is clowco better? 14:48:14 pjb: Unfortuantely that is a French slang term for an act so lewd it is frowned on even in France. 14:48:59 Xach: what french word ? 14:49:12 galdor: I dare not repeat it or my name will be associated with it in Google forever. 14:49:22 clon or clowco ? 14:49:40 being french, and not seeing it, i'm curious :) 14:50:25 Xach: right. I'm french too. Thus, I require more information on this slang term I don't know yet ;) 14:51:11 *Xof* laughs 14:51:17 *joke backfire*! 14:51:21 not at all 14:51:37 I am French too, and I think Xach is hilarious 14:51:48 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-211-16.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:51:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 14:51:55 i thought it was cute (and I'm francophone :) 14:52:48 hello lispers :) 14:52:54 Bronsa [~bronsa@host85-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:53:31 wait, didn't mega also write something called clon? 14:53:33 does anyone have lispworks or allegro on windows handy? is their DIRECTORY case-insensitive? 14:53:37 I think it was a cl-based cron clone 14:53:49 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslfb136.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 14:53:55 ah, yeah, that third one. 14:56:00 nikodemus: acl seems to be case-insensitive, but i believe that's an OS/filesystem feature. you can have a case-sensitive ntfs partition, but i don't have that handy to test 14:56:53 nikodemus: almost certainly obeys filesystem rules 14:59:48 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host85-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:00:15 Bronsa [~bronsa@host85-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:02:17 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:05:34 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:06:36 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-59-155.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:11:06 Let's announce a big rename of all lisp libraries. From now on, they'll all be called CLON, Clon, CLoN, etc. 15:12:53 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-232-38.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:13:00 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-232-38.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:17:19 DaDa` [~user@151-189.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 15:20:17 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 15:20:56 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.146.103] has joined #lisp 15:23:24 -!- MagBo [~Sweater@195.114.56.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:52 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B7E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:03 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.146.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25:53 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-zawmnxnxhmbjaylo] has joined #lisp 15:26:00 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 15:26:00 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:39 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:27:13 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B7E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:24 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 15:28:40 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483D1E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:30:19 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483DD14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:32:11 is it possible to remove/delete/undefine a class? 15:33:43 pmd: the simplest way is probably to unintern the symbol; it may or may not be "removal" enough for your needs. 15:35:49 grable [54d7f8ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.215.248.234] has joined #lisp 15:36:44 -!- grable [54d7f8ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.215.248.234] has left #lisp 15:37:31 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:38 pkhuong_: ok, other than that... well, forget it... this is just one thing i hit my head when i want to make the current testing environment as close as possible to a newly restarted environment, and structures are the ultimate pain in the neck 15:37:59 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:37:59 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:38:03 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:38:28 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 15:38:36 Tau [~afasdf@189-127-57-1.i-next.psi.br] has joined #lisp 15:38:43 -!- Tau [~afasdf@189-127-57-1.i-next.psi.br] has left #lisp 15:38:56 pmd: for structures, unintern is probably as good as it gets. I often give up and restart the image. 15:38:57 pmd: The closest thing to a newly restarted environment is ,s-r-i-l 15:40:37 pkhuong_: structures create functions, you may fmakunbound and/or unintern them if you know them all, but the accessors are often macro-expanded (as a compiler-macro) 15:40:41 sykopomp: ? 15:41:03 pmd: ,slime-restart-inferior-lisp 15:41:08 ) 15:41:10 :) 15:42:03 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:16 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:42:38 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:48 pmd: that's why you have to recompile everything. 15:43:44 hey pmd. I don't recall off the top of my head. 15:43:47 Let me take a look. 15:45:13 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 15:45:14 gigamonkey: your comment puzzled me re synonym streams. 15:45:25 gigamonkey: what did you think they would be for that turned out to be unsuitable? 15:46:03 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 15:46:55 Xach: something. But it turns out it's nothing. ;-) 15:47:58 Actually, what I vaguely recall is someone at Franz (Steve Haflich maybe?) explaining how they were a kind of half-way solution to some of the problems that are properly solved with Gray Streams or the like. 15:48:16 But that could be totally wrong. 15:48:25 pmd: I'm not sure what you mean about let* vs let in once-only. 15:48:56 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:59 Unless I'me very confused, there's no danger that LET evaluates things out of order. 15:49:21 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:49:24 -!- abend [~user@alpha.muted.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:26 the "parellel" just means, as far as I know, that the right sides of the let bindings are all evaluated in the same environment. 15:49:42 pmd: let defines the same evaluation order as let*; the only difference is when the new bindings enter scope. 15:49:55 sanjoyd [~sanjoy@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 15:51:13 mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:53:12 pmd: and as to the gensyming twice, maybe you can show me how you'd write it. 15:53:53 hmm, ok, i thought that the parallelism of let meant it could evaluate in any order 15:54:11 my concern is about side effects 15:54:34 gigamonkey: i'd write it without the first let, only with the first list of gensyms 15:54:50 <_death> the _binding_ is parallel, not evaluation of the init-forms 15:54:52 htop 15:55:15 pmd: can you paste it? 15:55:42 gigamonkey: in a minute (although i'm not testing this) 15:55:50 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B7E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:54 http://paste.lisp.org/+2G0T (i thought this was automatic) 15:59:24 Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:00:57 Looks like you end up with an extra level of quoting on the gensyms: 16:01:08 on the other hand, there should exist a `once-only*', in case you use it with optional or keyword arguments with default forms, right? 16:01:39 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114077#1 16:02:48 gigamonkey: ok, i even thought i got the parenteses wrong. i'm testing it too 16:03:01 pmd: Let me know when you've got one that works. ;-) 16:03:28 I can't really explain exactly why mine is the way it is anymore but I'm pretty sure it works. 16:05:15 -!- postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-254-16.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: postamar] 16:05:22 pmd: i'm not sure what you mean by once-only* 16:05:49 -!- katerbau [~axel@static-87-79-66-80.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:51 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:05:57 abend [~user@alpha.muted.org] has joined #lisp 16:06:30 -!- vng [~vng@1.139.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:39 nikodemus: if you have an optional argument in a macro with a default form, it should follow the semantics of function lambda lists where those forms can refer to the previous parameters 16:07:01 (defun f (a &optional (b (1+ a))) (list a b)) 16:07:03 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.233.185] has joined #lisp 16:07:03 schoppenhauer [~senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:07:56 although, i may just be confusing things quite a lot... 16:09:11 pmd: you are. try (defmacro foo (a &optional (b (list :b a))) (format nil "a=~S, b=~S" a b)) 16:09:21 brown [~user@nat/google/x-rdhtuzjsygwrvhkl] has joined #lisp 16:09:31 -!- brown is now known as reb 16:10:06 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has joined #lisp 16:10:45 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:15 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has joined #lisp 16:11:19 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:46 Phoodus [foo@174-22-199-91.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:47 -!- schoppenhauer [~senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 16:12:09 nikodemus: wait, (foo 1) prints exactly what i expected, a=1, b=(:b 1) 16:12:17 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has joined #lisp 16:13:09 yes 16:13:28 so i don't understand what you want once-only* for 16:15:25 but i'm not all that sure i understand what you want it to do either, so the confusion is clearly mutual 16:16:15 nikodemus: (defmacro foo (a &optional (b a)) (once-only (a b) `(list ,a ,b))) 16:17:37 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.162.86.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:44 wait, i now realize that `a' would be evaluated twice if once-only* existed (using let* instead of let) 16:18:01 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:18:11 -!- pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has left #lisp 16:18:21 pmd: what do you want to happen in that case? For b to not be evaluated since it's actually a? 16:18:45 That seems hard to arrange. 16:18:48 gigamonkey: that depends on the semantics of the macro 16:18:49 yes 16:18:59 Certainly I'd need a real motivating example. 16:19:40 Why do I get "Error: File #P"/Users/peterhil/.asdf-install-dir/systems/package.lisp" not found" when I try to require or load my project? I have placed a symlink to the .asd file on this directory, but shuoldn't it look the files on the same directory it is in? 16:19:41 that sounds like a nasty idea 16:19:55 because no-way is anyone reading that expecting b not to be evaluated 16:19:58 no, there isn't one, the programmer has to be careful himself if he wants to make sure `a' is evaluated only once even though it's used in some default form 16:20:26 as long as evaluation order is first A, then B... i still don't see the issue 16:20:41 i'm making the classic mistake of confusing macros with functions 16:21:09 the best would be to define b as (b nil b?) and see if b was given using b? 16:21:33 here's the primary tip on writing a utility macro: don't write it till you've needed it at least three times 16:21:39 and if not, use the already eval'd a 16:21:48 because otherwise you're bound to imagine stuff :) 16:21:49 pmd: you can use &aux... 16:21:52 i know i do... 16:21:58 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:22:30 (defun foo (a &optional b &aux (b (or b (1+ a)))) (list a b)) 16:22:45 here's the secondary tip or writing macros: don't be too clever. 16:23:12 It was over a week ago, when I last loaded the project and then it worked... 16:23:47 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:24:09 oh wow, nevermind. 16:25:15 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:26:15 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 16:27:42 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.195.185] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:27:45 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-121-193.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:37 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:29:49 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 16:30:33 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.125.101.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 16:30:59 I can't understand, why it does not work now. Can someone help? I was just in a good flow, and now got distracted because I wanted to undef a print-object and didn't remember how to do it, so I restarted emacs. 16:31:34 peterhil: what is the name of your project's .asd file? 16:32:10 twist.asd 16:32:14 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 16:32:36 peterhil: and where is your project's directory? 16:32:44 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:33:46 Under my home directory. 16:33:59 Under ~/Programming 16:34:01 peterhil: I'd like to help. Can you be more specific? 16:34:31 Yes, sorry I try. The asd specifiec components "package" "fileutils" etc... 16:34:35 -!- chris___1 [~chris@rrcs-67-52-188-98.west.biz.rr.com] has left #lisp 16:34:50 peterhil: So you have a file named ~/Programming/twist.asd and ~/Programming/package.lisp etc? 16:34:58 And package.lisp defines the whole package of twist. 16:35:18 Actually, they are much deeper on the directory tree. 16:35:34 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:35:38 peterhil: So, can you please be specific about where they are? I would like to help. 16:35:43 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B7E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:44 did you do the (asdf::oos asdf::loadop junk?) 16:35:44 But principally yes I have them on same directory. 16:36:21 finalprefix [~finalpref@122.182.0.38] has joined #lisp 16:36:44 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@122.182.0.38] has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:51 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:38:15 Ok, I'll paste the twist.asd and package.lisp 16:38:28 peterhil: You can remove the effects of a print-object method (or any other method) with call-next-method: (defmethod print-object ((self your-class) stream) (call-next-method)) 16:38:38 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:38:49 peterhil: otherwise, see REMOVE-METHOD. 16:39:13 *Xach* loses all desire to help 16:39:15 pjb: thanks' 16:40:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:40:36 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:40:41 <_death> I usually use the inspector to remove methods 16:40:42 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 16:41:17 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754926.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:36 -!- _death is now known as adeht 16:42:38 -!- benny [~user@i577A26F3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:43:02 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:49 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114079 16:47:00 benny [~user@i577A81BD.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:47:47 pTymN [~pTymN@cpe-071-070-239-190.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:48:03 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:48:31 peterhil: depend on alexandria in asdf:defsystem. every file probable depends on package, and don't forget to (in-package "TWIST") at the top of each file. 16:49:01 finally, I'm a bit surprised that nothing depends on "trie". 16:50:59 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello212186106204.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:51:20 pkhuong_: There is :depends-on (#:alexandria) on asdf:defsystem. Yes, almost every file depends on package. I have (in-package #:twist) on top of every file. 16:51:55 peterhil: I think pkhuong just saw the (require #:alexandria) which makes no sense anyway 16:51:56 And the reason nothing depends on trie, is that I haven't yet written the context modeler nor intervalcoder... :-) 16:52:00 since the symbol is not quoted 16:52:28 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 16:52:38 peterhil: that's not what your definition says.... after that, you'll have to write your problem out to get more help. 16:53:02 rfg [~rfg@client-80-5-173-10.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:12 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 16:55:22 (require :sb-bsd-sockets) (use-package :sb-bsd-sockets) fails to work 16:55:31 what am i doing wrong? :( 16:55:57 i'm running macports sbcl 1.0.39 +threads 16:55:57 "fails to work" is not an adequate problem description 16:56:19 when i try this line: 16:56:21 inet-socket 16:56:25 i don't get a class object or something back 16:56:30 it just says its unbound 16:56:44 Schemehead? 16:56:46 but when i apropos i can see that it should be in the sb-bsd-sockets package 16:57:03 adeht: Do you mean that there shouldn't be the (require #:alexandria)? 16:57:05 try (find-class 'inet-socket) 16:57:12 symbole [~user@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 16:57:23 peterhil: yes.. and that even if you actually wanted require, you'd have to quote the symbol 16:57:30 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:57:37 it says: there is no class named inet-socket 16:57:56 but when i do the require, i get stuff back 16:58:23 * (require :sb-bsd-sockets) 16:58:23 pTymN: paste dribble log 16:58:23 ("SB-BSD-SOCKETS" "SB-GROVEL" "ASDF") 16:58:25 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:58:37 pTymN: use http://paste.lisp.org/ 16:59:15 pkhuong_: The actual problem is I get error "File #P"/Users/peterhil/.asdf-install-dir/systems/package.lisp" not found" 17:00:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114080 17:00:53 adeht: Ah, yes of course. Maybe I need a bit of fresh air. 17:01:12 *peterhil* takes a walk 17:01:16 thank you for looking at this for me. :( its frustrating because i got used to how corman lisp handled packages, and it was nonstandard, didnt conform to the clhs very well. 17:01:46 pTymN: in the first case, the symbol INET-SOCKET is not SB-BSD-SOCKETS:INET-SOCKET.. in the second case, it is the right symbol, but your expectation that it should evaluate to a class object is wrong 17:02:36 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/INET-Domain-Sockets.html#INET-Domain-Sockets has this line: 17:02:42  Class: sb-bsd-sockets:inet-socket 17:02:56 and? 17:03:04 so its not a "class" 17:03:10 its something else 17:03:14 (find-class 'sb-bsd-sockets:inet-socket) ==> class object 17:03:37 it's not a class, it is the name of a class 17:04:01 1 > (find-class 'sb-bsd-sockets:inet-socket) 17:04:02 # 17:04:06 thats what i got 17:04:14 good 17:04:17 it looks like a class, am i confused about the syntax? 17:04:32 i just wanted to import the symbols into my package 17:04:42 so that i didnt have to type out sb-bsd-sockets all over 17:04:59 -!- Tordek [tordek@free.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:00 pTymN: if you use-package or import, that will do 17:05:15 pTymN: it still wouldn't be the case that the symbol's _value_ should be a class object 17:05:39 whats the deal with :, ' or blank preceding classname 17:05:43 i sometimes see stuff like 17:05:51 (require 'some-package) 17:05:57 (use :some-package) 17:06:01 or some permutation of that 17:06:09 and when using the same symbol for either also works 17:06:12 why switch? 17:06:13 pTymN: I suggest you pick up a lisp book 17:06:16 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:06:20 minion: tell pTymN about pcl 17:06:21 pTymN: look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 17:06:26 pTymN: in some situations, a symbol is used only for the string that is its name. in that case, many variations can result in the same name. 17:06:49 does it become its own symbol-value? 17:07:22 I have read that book several times, but i am having difficulty understanding how this information comes together 17:07:27 -!- rfg [~rfg@client-80-5-173-10.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:07:44 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:09:26 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:30 how lisp searches for and links up with source files is kind of hard to figure out 17:09:43 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:43 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:09:43 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 17:10:03 require's behavior is implementation-dependent 17:10:14 im from a c++ background, where you can eventually find one or multiple distininct finite number of places where directories are listed out. and in lisp, it seems to be more undefined. 17:10:42 i have no idea if there's a convenient way to switch between versions of libraries for different projects :-( 17:11:16 so if you're using asdf, the portable way to load a _system_ (not a package!) is to do (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op ) 17:12:27 or (asdf:load-system ) 17:13:37 rfg [~rfg@host81-102-109-24.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:59 pTymN: Lisp, like C++, does not provide support for versioning.. but, like C++, you can fake it 17:14:33 katerbau [~axel@xdsl-81-173-184-155.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:14:51 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:23 tcleval [~funnyguy@187.114.116.154] has joined #lisp 17:15:33 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:41 do you guys know of any chart library for common lisp? 17:16:01 minion: tell tcleval about adw-charts 17:16:02 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``adw-charts''. 17:16:11 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:16:15 minion: tell tcleval about adw-charting 17:16:16 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``adw-charting''. 17:16:29 http://common-lisp.net/project/adw-charting/ 17:16:46 Is there a way to have slime repl handle ANSI codes, like a mere comint is able to? 17:17:08 fe[nl]ix: I am looking for something interactive 17:17:48 -!- katerbau [~axel@xdsl-81-173-184-155.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:24:23 -!- mrSpec [spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:15 mrSpec [spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:26:40 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-zawmnxnxhmbjaylo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:32 sellout- [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:02 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:02 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 17:28:41 -!- pTymN [~pTymN@cpe-071-070-239-190.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: pTymN] 17:30:22 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has joined #lisp 17:34:31 jdz [~jdz@87.4.39.135] has joined #lisp 17:35:25 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:01 minion: memo for gigamonkey: once-only that doesn't gensyms twice http://paste.lisp.org/+2G0T/2 17:37:01 Remembered. I'll tell gigamonkey when he/she/it next speaks. 17:37:58 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.233.185] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 17:38:01 -!- Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:38:05 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 17:38:29 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:32 how do i remove a memo from minion? 17:41:22 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 17:41:39 /msg minion help 17:41:44 there doesn't seem to be a way. 17:41:50 srolls [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 17:42:12 pjb: /msg minion help forgetting, :D quite profound 17:42:20 -!- moocow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:42:55 minion: discard my memos 17:42:55 You didn't have any memos! 17:43:11 heck with it 17:43:14 gigamonkey: once-only that doesn't gensyms twice http://paste.lisp.org/+2G0T/2 17:43:51 discard is to remove memos you're receiving, not memos you've sent. 17:43:55 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.146.103] has joined #lisp 17:44:19 i decided to try anyway... 17:47:37 carlocci [~nes@93.37.199.55] has joined #lisp 17:48:57 stassats: I tried the swank-cmucl with -1 from frame-ip. That still works. I'll send patch with this version. 17:53:33 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-107.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:53:44 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 17:53:51 moocow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:24 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:55:26 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:26 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:56:48 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:28 mutoga [~Shiva@78.232.196.19] has joined #lisp 18:00:08 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:02:27 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:05:25 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #lisp 18:05:52 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:06:30 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:12:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:14:56 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:17:12 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.233.185] has joined #lisp 18:19:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:20:08 varjag_ [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:20:52 ike` [~user@lawn-143-215-116-81.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #lisp 18:21:03 'ello 18:22:18 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:53 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-49-182.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:29:04 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.146.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:29 -!- Dodek [~dodek@sundance.6irc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:39 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:14 Mike` you need a new keyboard. 18:32:03 Dodek [~dodek@sundance.6irc.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:18 -!- jdz [~jdz@87.4.39.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32:39 magius_pendragon [~magius@cpe-071-070-210-101.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:46 fusss [~chatzilla@li63-187.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:49 -!- magius_pendragon [~magius@cpe-071-070-210-101.nc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 18:33:12 mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:33:17 any idea how I can change how emacs/slime indents the body of unwind-protect? 18:33:39 fusss: you can put properties on the common-lisp-indent-function symbol 18:33:49 fusss: C-h f common-lisp-indent-function 18:33:51 fusss: is emacs indenting it wrong? that seems pretty weird... 18:33:58 cheers! 18:34:27 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:34:37 Xach: no, it's just fine, but my custom form which is similar to U-P is being tabbed way inward 18:34:44 ah, i see. 18:35:27 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:59 Jabberwockey [~jens@89.204.137.175] has joined #lisp 18:39:06 ans [~user@84.41.90.123] has joined #lisp 18:42:08 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:42:48 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:41 urandom__ [~user@p548A7B63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:09 fjellfras [~fjellfras@123.236.183.44] has joined #lisp 18:47:31 khumba [~khumba@S010600259ce46bb1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:39 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 18:50:22 -!- ike` [~user@lawn-143-215-116-81.lawn.gatech.edu] has left #lisp 18:52:19 daniel___ [~daniel@p5082B10F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:00 -!- moocow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:54:08 fusss: how goes the ABCL report? 18:54:21 moocow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 18:54:29 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host85-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:54:39 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.254.120] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 18:54:49 Bronsa [~bronsa@host85-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:55:21 Xach: i had a bit of work influx; but i am on abcl and taking notes (also blindly patching libraries for immediate use, and not always documenting things.) 18:55:37 i will run that for you later though 18:55:52 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082B554.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:56:22 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 18:59:30 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.45.253.35] has joined #lisp 18:59:39 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 19:00:13 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.45.253.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:23 pjb: "Mike` you need a new keyboard" ... LOL! :) 19:02:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.45.253.35] has joined #lisp 19:02:57 kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-210-169.ip56.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:03:25 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:04:36 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.45.253.35] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:04:50 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:16 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.45.253.35] has joined #lisp 19:06:20 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:07:29 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-49-182.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:08:15 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:56 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 19:09:00 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:09:34 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 19:12:12 -!- phadthai [mmondor@66.11.161.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:29 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-49-182.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:14:58 jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:01 luis: I've made a little progress with integrating FSBV into CFFI; if you notice there is a branch "fsbv" 19:17:28 LiamH: ah, I missed that. It didn't show up in the RSS feed. 19:18:02 luis: right, I am definitely not merge it into master until it's all working. 19:18:13 "going to" 19:18:19 Xach: herep 19:18:19 gigamonkey, memo from pmd: once-only that doesn't gensyms twice http://paste.lisp.org/+2G0T/2 19:18:45 Hi gigamonkey. 19:18:54 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 19:19:00 I'm trying to use buildapp to build an app that starts hunchentoot and then a swank server 19:19:18 -!- mutoga [~Shiva@78.232.196.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:19:20 luis: I realized there is a complexity I hadn't anticipated; my fsbv:defcfun and foreign-funcall don't expand to CFFI's macros. 19:19:22 *Xach* bets gigamonkey is getting a fault 19:19:30 debugger invoked on a SB-INT:CLOSED-STREAM-ERROR in thread #: # is closed 19:19:43 So what's up with that? 19:19:58 gigamonkey: did you use the (setf swank:*log-output* nil) bit? 19:20:05 Nope. 19:20:17 Before I start the server presumably. 19:20:23 gigamonkey: swank opens some streams at load time, but they don't (and, i think, shouldn't) get saved in save-lisp-and-die. 19:20:36 gigamonkey: then when the image resumes it tries to write to a closed stream. 19:20:38 LiamH: right, you need some sort of hook. Which is what you started doing, right? 19:20:45 gigamonkey: check the buildapp manual for swank:*log-output* 19:22:32 luis: yes, defcstruct had an obvious place to insert the hook, because fsbv:defcstruct expanded into cffi:defcstruct. That's already committed. However the function calls are a little more complicated, I'm still working on it. Now that the semester has started, my rate of progress will unfortunately drop. But there's a 3-day weekend coming up. 19:22:51 LiamH: git pull tells me "error: git upload-pack: git-pack-objects died with error." 19:23:09 luis: boy that doesn't sound good 19:23:27 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:24:22 is git 1.6.4.4 too old? 19:24:46 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754926.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:55 luis: I don't think so 19:25:41 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-89-19.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:25:54 Hmm, who makes commits to UCW these days? 19:26:07 luis: seems OK to me. Try a fresh clone, then cd to the directory, then "git checkout -b fsbv origin/fsbv" 19:26:33 I can clone it yes, but but git fetch on my previous repo fails. 19:27:19 luis: odd 19:29:22 timor [~timor@port-92-195-20-153.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:31:26 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host85-177-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:34:24 Xach: that'd probably be me or unknown_lamer 19:35:25 Does SBCL have any CLtL1 conformance mode? 19:36:03 drewc: fwiw, ucw-core.test fails because it uses both the closer-mop and cl packages. i think the new way is to use the closer-common-lisp package. 19:36:52 (I have some legacy CLtL1 code that I want to "port" over to the current spec, but GCL is a pain in the rear) 19:37:39 Quadrescence: sbcl does not have a cltl1 conformance mode. 19:37:42 LiamH: Do you think this system could have a more general name? We could leverage libffi for other stuff. 19:37:42 Xach: yikes, that's happened to me everywhere. I'll get it fixed. 19:37:50 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:23 Xach: Do you have any recommendations on getting cltl1 code over into current standards? (I'm not asking for an automated way, but perhaps an implementation that plays with SLIME well and supports both 'languages') 19:39:50 Quadrescence: Not really. That kind of stuff is way before my time. 19:40:44 Xach: You're older than McCarthy himself and we all know it. 19:40:46 The only thing I remember about cltl1 compatibility is that in-package did double-duty as both defpackage and in-package. 19:41:11 Ah, that's good to know 19:41:17 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:41:43 luis: no problem; I'm using fsbv because that's what I had before. It shouldn't be any problem renaming before it gets merged into master. Also, I see this as affecting only the system name (i.e. fsbv.asd), because my intent is that there be no direct user interface to FSBV, it only gets called through CFFI. One problem I see with trying to name it after libffi is that we already have "ffi" in "CFFI" and the distinction of the two meanings are likely to be 19:42:13 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:42:55 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:10 Hmmm. Now I can start SWANK but when I connect with slime-connect I get this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/114087 19:43:11 auntie [~rewt@97-121-32-3.bois.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:04 -!- fjellfras [~fjellfras@123.236.183.44] has left #lisp 19:44:12 gigamonkey: yow. i don't know what that means. 19:46:57 Quadrescence: what kind of old code is it? 19:47:28 some old algebra code (which luckily has no dependencies) 19:47:45 -!- moocow is now known as holycow 19:48:21 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:48:38 rme_ [~rme@pool-70-105-116-106.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:22 -!- rme [rme@clozure-769EB638.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 19:49:23 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 19:49:24 mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:49:33 LiamH: indeed, I don't know what name we should give it instead. :-) 19:49:44 cffi-libffi sounds awkward 19:50:08 luis: let's defer that issue, I'll just focus on making it work for now. 19:50:30 Ok, I updated slime and now everything works. Strange... 19:50:38 oh yes, I didn't mean to imply it was a showstopper or anything. :) 19:50:49 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-121-193.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:50:49 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 19:50:56 ben_m [~ben@chello084113058207.12.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 19:51:41 luis: Can you explain what a closure is, in the sense of libffi? You mentioned that as a possible use of libffi in CL. I know about closures in CL, but not sure how that translates into foreign code. 19:53:06 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:46 should be the same thing. IIUC, libffi might let us implement something along the lines of, e.g., SBCL's alien-callback form. 19:54:51 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-89-19.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:55:03 luis: interesting 19:55:36 pavelludiq [~user@87.246.58.79] has joined #lisp 19:57:26 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.58.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:32 pavelludiq [~user@87.246.58.79] has joined #lisp 19:59:37 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:05 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:01:34 rpg [~rpg@vbn.0067207.lodgenet.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:55 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:01 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:28 -!- froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:09:12 janedole [~103353070@pool-173-77-22-230.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:55 Heh. So it's not a great idea to pass --asdf-tree ~/quicklisp/ to buildapp. 20:14:12 francogrex [~user@109.130.46.71] has joined #lisp 20:14:27 what sbcl are you using? 20:14:39 1.0.41 20:14:41 i haven't tested buildapp with asdf2 and would be a little surprised if it still worked 20:14:44 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:14:45 color me surprised 20:15:06 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:15:06 I think the problem was some mismatch in SWANK versions caused by me being totally confused about what was actually being loaded. 20:15:20 with --asdf-tree ~/quicklisp/ it was pretty much random (or whatever it found first, presumably) 20:15:59 -!- khumba [~khumba@S010600259ce46bb1.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:16:02 *gigamonkey* hates the non-GNU find on OS X. 20:17:05 Hi all, cffi question: why is this breaking? http://paste.lisp.org/display/114090 20:17:22 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:20:06 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A7B63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:29 all characters I have are ascii 20:22:29 gigamonkey: wait until you try awk ;-) 20:25:30 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:16 -!- janedole [~103353070@pool-173-77-22-230.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has left #lisp 20:29:51 francogrex: (every (lambda (string) (every (lambda (ch) (<= 32 (char-code ch) 126)) string)) vals) ? 20:30:08 francogrex: try using '(:string :encoding :latin-1) 20:30:47 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 20:31:33 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-75-223.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:31:39 pjb: T 20:31:59 Then I'm as surprized as you are. 20:32:13 it's strange 20:33:18 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-40-89.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:33:36 luis: It didn't break when I used your suggestion but I got a very strange output 20:34:56 I'll wait for the screen to calm down from printing and I copy one line here 20:35:42 (271936 "€-U)&ž ¢º") 20:36:39 schmendrick1 [~Adium@fxhsv.dealnews.com] has joined #lisp 20:36:41 (length vals)? 20:36:57 until row (90 "D1178768J") then (91 "ðsV8768A") onwards it's totally bizarre 20:37:20 pjb: 271954 20:38:15 Perhaps you have bad RAM. Perhaps there's a bug in the implementation. Perhaps there's a bug in CFFI? 20:38:19 just to put it in context, I'm trying to remove duplicates but because the list is so long I decided to use a C function 20:39:04 I am trying ecl. I'll try sbcl and see what I get 20:40:59 In clisp, without compiling, removing duplicates amongst 271954 strings takes 3.359919 seconds. 20:41:26 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.58.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:42:02 pjb: then I find that there must be something really weird with my PC and not the implementation, although I have 2GB of ram 20:42:22 francogrex: if you can come up with a smallish reproduceable test case, that would be nice. 20:42:51 Compiling the loop, it takes 1.6E-5 including compilation time. 20:43:40 -!- schmendrick1 [~Adium@fxhsv.dealnews.com] has left #lisp 20:43:43 francogrex: Maybe ECL doesn't have that nice a remove-duplicates. You could implement a better one in Lisp. Much more fun than messing around with FFIs. :) 20:44:03 Actually it's in a library! 20:45:52 See HASHED-REMOVE-DUPLICATES in http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/common-lisp/list.lisp 20:45:52 luis: I made a test-values list (the fisrt 500 values of vals) and tested that with the FFI and it's no problem 20:46:16 only when the list is so large then that I'm having a problem! 20:47:50 HASHED-REMOVE-DUPLICATES ok great that can fix my problem for the removal of duplicates 20:48:19 still curious about the cffi; I'll try to investigate with another implementation 20:48:33 yrgd [~yrgd@c-98-235-44-106.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:39 francogrex: yeah. Can you try that with SBCL and see what happens? 20:48:40 redline6561 [~redline@adsl-145-179-185.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:33 janedole [~103353070@pool-173-77-22-230.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:27 -!- janedole [~103353070@pool-173-77-22-230.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:34 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 20:56:41 francogrex: hmm, I think it's a bug in CFFI. 20:57:36 hmm, scratch that. 20:59:10 luis ok I'll report back on the sbcl results in a little while. Meanwhile for moderate length lists it's going fine as expected 21:02:18 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has quit [Quit: qbomb] 21:04:25 gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:05:00 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 21:05:55 jdz [~jdz@87.4.39.135] has joined #lisp 21:06:41 Eu! There I was attempting to write a SUBLISTP when I discovered that SEARCH is exactly that. 21:07:01 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 21:07:15 having found that subsetp is not what I wanted totally distorted my view :-) 21:09:24 now if only it came with a nice constant folding deftransform 21:10:43 constant-folding on the needle or haystack argument? 21:10:53 needle 21:11:01 there's a boyer-moore search deftransform in contrib/compiler-extras.lisp in sbcl source code 21:16:05 Edward [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-38-210.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:20:14 -!- varjag_ [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:21:51 -!- gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:12 but really, use a rolling hash and win (: 21:22:55 -!- Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:23:01 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:23:39 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 21:24:52 luis: pjb: It works fine in sbcl; It's then an ECL issue not a cffi issue (in a way I feel a little sad for that) 21:25:26 francogrex: it might be a cffi-sys issue. 21:25:51 francogrex: what version of CFFI are you using? Juanjo sent a bunch of cffi-ecl patches not too long ago. 21:26:48 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 21:27:47 rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-10-101.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:28:47 it's a little old I think :version "0.10.5" 21:30:14 0.10.6 has a bunch of ECL-specific improvements 21:30:16 mutoga [~Shiva@78.232.196.19] has joined #lisp 21:30:23 maybe you should try it out 21:30:26 ok I will try it 21:31:21 -!- Jabberwockey [~jens@89.204.137.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:36:15 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-49-182.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 21:41:08 Image-based development is fun; nowadays when rewriting/reorganizing code, I usually end up having both the old and the new implementation next to each other as an intermediate step 21:42:35 kind of like cancer :-) 21:43:55 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-210-169.ip56.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:07 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:46:58 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:47:00 -!- redline6561 [~redline@adsl-145-179-185.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:30 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:50:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-107.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:50:28 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:50:53 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Emacs upgrade.] 21:54:31 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.233.185] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 21:54:34 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-109-24.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 21:55:11 -!- DaDa` [~user@151-189.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:55:28 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.46.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 22:00:18 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 22:04:05 moocow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 22:04:24 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07:35 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-59-155.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:09:50 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:10:27 rfg [~rfg@host81-102-109-24.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:44 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-27-88.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:14:42 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-65-8.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:17:07 luis: ping 22:18:01 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:22:09 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:23:53 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:42 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:32:10 rtra_ [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #lisp 22:33:23 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:39:35 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:40:04 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-20-153.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:15 eisen [~ejh@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:08 fe[nl]ix: pong 22:45:19 -!- mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 22:45:25 Jubb [~ghost@24-151-75-175.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:46:01 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-10-101.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:38 luis: on gitorious there are 3 forks of cffi 22:47:06 on user added ECL fixes, lichteblau added Allegro fixes, and the other one I can't remember 22:48:26 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-10-101.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:49:22 -!- jdz [~jdz@87.4.39.135] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:51:06 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 22:51:11 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:51:12 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:52:26 fe[nl]ix: cool 22:55:33 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:12 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:57:15 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:00:13 Tordek [tordek@free.blinkenshell.org] has joined #lisp 23:01:28 Hello! 23:01:47 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-32-117-5.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:56 could you tell me if I can do this http://paste.lisp.org/display/114094 without let? :) 23:03:16 mrSpec: progn 23:03:27 If I guessed correctly what you need :) 23:04:43 I need to update value on plist. function foo returns this plist. 23:05:37 salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:46 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:38 -!- moocow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:07:03 -!- eisen [~ejh@ip208-103-38-36.dyn.mintel.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:10:00 mrSpec: i can't think of anything 23:11:58 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:13:19 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-21-82-64-80-169.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:14:16 Xach: ok, thanks 23:15:23 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.45.253.35] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:17:00 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:01 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.233.185] has joined #lisp 23:17:02 Okay, Lispers. You get slight head start. I'm about to push this live on codequarterly.com but in the meantime: http://codequarterly.net/code-challenges/ Comments & questions welcome. 23:17:14 I want to see some good Lisp entries! 23:17:31 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.112.73.103.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:06 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:18:16 woo 23:18:36 *Xach* abandons quicklisp work, devotes full attention to code-challenes 23:18:44 hi, i'm geting an error when (require 'ucw), i installed it with clbuild, must i change the ucw version or .. dont know, need some help, thanks the error http://paste.lisp.org/display/114095 23:19:45 salva: to get the real error, you have to look back in the output for the warning 23:20:19 ok thanks 23:20:33 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:20:33 i wish the compiler would print out the offending warnings at error time when that happens 23:21:24 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:22:28 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:23:19 ; The function ucw.rerl.actions.debug is undefined. 23:23:45 why isn't the representation of backquote in the standard? i.e. '`(,foo) is implementation defined 23:25:00 upward [~upward@modemcable004.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:25:25 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@erft-4d07f2b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 23:25:28 gonzojive: not clear. It's not really necessary though it seems like it wouldn't constrain implementors too much to specify it. 23:27:10 Grepping through archive of early CL design emails, I don't see that there was any discussion of it. 23:27:40 I'd be curious when Scheme introduced there standard UNQUOTE, etc. forms. 23:28:01 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 23:28:11 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-20-82-64-4-34.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:16 Xach: so if I have a buildapp running (on GNU/Linux), it seems I can't overwrite it while it's running. Does that makes sense? 23:28:34 So if I want to update my server I need to stop it, move in the new one, and restart. 23:28:46 gigamonkey: it's mainly useful for code-walkers, or those who want to make a lot of use of the lisp read (e.g Parenscript) 23:28:48 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0B7E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:53 gigamonkey: "text file busy"? 23:28:57 Xach: yeah. 23:29:14 gigamonkey: using /usr/bin/install will work around that 23:29:25 gonzojive: yeah, I get the reason it would be useful. Perhaps nobody quite figured out that it'd be useful until whenever the Scheme folks did. 23:30:23 Xach: ah. Strangely I used to use install and then I switched for no real reason to using cp. 23:31:00 Xach: and presumably the old one keeps running until you stop it and restart? 23:31:37 gigamonkey: maybe for CLtL 3 ;) 23:33:38 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:34:14 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 23:37:02 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:39:19 crink [~crink@unaffiliated/crink] has joined #lisp 23:39:41 -!- crink [~crink@unaffiliated/crink] has left #lisp 23:40:24 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:11 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.233.185] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:43:45 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:44:27 psilord2 [~psilord@76.201.144.111] has joined #lisp 23:47:31 -!- serichsen [~user@f048198221.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 23:47:55 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:57 antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-98-106.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:46 -!- salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: salva] 23:51:33 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 23:53:41 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.248] has joined #lisp 23:53:53 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-98-106.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:55:17 antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-98-106.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:40 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:56:57 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp