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240 seconds] 01:48:50 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:18 -!- incandenza [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:57:02 btw, one should not make programming talk going for food, for that leads to Parallel LOLCODE usind Distributed Nom architecture 02:00:04 incandenza [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:15 incanden1a [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:41 cvandusen [~irchon@99-166-72-116.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:59 -!- incanden1a [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:04:52 -!- disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E294.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ...] 02:08:44 tayloj [~tayloj@ool-ad028fd5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:17 p_l: must be even funnier when it's a polish joke. 02:14:36 terinjokes [~terin@wikinews/Terinjokes] has joined #lisp 02:15:02 hey, I'm want to learn lisp, and thought now was a great time to start 02:15:25 minion: please tell terinjokes about PCL 02:15:26 terinjokes: direct your attention towards PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 02:15:33 Fare: is it by design that the ASDF2 source registry is initialized with the current value of *default-pathname-defaults* rather than something like the old mechanism in central-registry? 02:15:50 stassats: thanks, I was just about to ask about a book 02:15:55 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 02:16:29 -!- tayloj [~tayloj@ool-ad028fd5.dyn.optonline.net] has left #lisp 02:16:47 -!- borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 02:16:58 borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:17:09 Meaning, it's handy to have ASDF be able to find things in the current value of *default-pathname-defaults* rather than whatever value it happened to have when I started Lisp. 02:17:22 -!- borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:17:27 gigamonkey, the central registry is still valid 02:17:35 stassats: what compiler is recommended? 02:17:41 Fare: no, it's definitely funnier when you're making it up going to the "nomshop" (aka Pizza/Indian take-away) to get some "Nom" (food) 02:17:43 Yes, but deprecated. I'm wondering what the "right" way to do it is. 02:17:43 terinjokes: SBCL 02:18:06 *p_l* is in UK right now 02:18:20 stassats: should have guessed, even I recognized those initials 02:18:38 gigamonkey: who cares about deprecation? 02:18:42 gigamonkey, where do you see it defaulting to default-pathname-defaults? 02:18:46 that might be a bug 02:18:55 Fare: that's why I asked. 02:19:20 wait, you have a pizza/indian take-away shop? With curry pizza? 02:19:21 as long as it works, it can be deprecated ten times 02:19:42 Fare: no curry pizza, but they'd probably make one if convinced 02:19:45 I just start lisp and then look at the value of (asdf::source-registry) 02:19:53 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-65-18.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19:58 Fare: it's a mixup of few things 02:20:04 stassats: yeah, but if it's going away and there's a better replacement, I'd rather use it. 02:20:14 gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 02:20:22 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 02:20:57 ... they do have "chicken tikka kebab" as list of possible toppings, though 02:21:52 gigamonkey, I don't know what you have in your configuration files, but asdf expands its configuration when it first initializes the source registry, at which point the path is expanded. 02:22:14 if you wanted, you could re-initialize the source registry, or something. 02:22:47 -!- cvandusen [~irchon@99-166-72-116.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:55 p_l: I once went to a nominally vietnamese restaurant in Warsaw, near the museum of the uprising. It didn't taste very vietnamese. 02:23:10 Fare: it was local vietnamese, I bet :) 02:23:12 (that museum is awesome; made me cry) 02:24:49 gigamonkey: do you have :default-directory somewhere in your configuration? 02:24:56 Fare: I heard it's quite good, haven't been there yet despite living near warsaw. OTOH, I learnt about it since I entered school... 02:25:07 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:12 minion: logs 02:25:12 logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 02:26:25 Fare: I do not have :default-directory. My only configuration that I know if is in ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf 02:26:39 And it just specifies one :tree 02:27:00 gigamonkey: I use pathnames to represent search paths, and already have a special meaning for relative pathnames. It would be annoying to add support for pathnames relative to the value of a symbol. But possible. 02:27:17 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-12-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:52 brnhack [~hrk@ntsitm087073.sitm.nt.ngn4.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:27:55 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-12-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 02:28:02 Reminds me of one of the rules of good engineering I'm describing in my ilc2010 paper that asdf failed to follow -- a rule that Lisp makes it too easy to not follow: tailor your datastructures to the target problem, not to the underlying programming language. 02:30:38 -!- mk2` [~user@evanspc2.rai.umds.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:59 -!- brnhack [~hrk@ntsitm087073.sitm.nt.ngn4.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:55 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-12-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:10 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-12-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 02:32:41 now that I re-read default-source-registry, it appears that indeed it's using the default directory (from startup) at last resort. 02:33:44 You may need to re- (asdf:initialize-source-registry) after changing your *default-pathname-defaults* to change your configuration when you change directory. 02:34:50 So is the idea that you call (asdf:initialize-source-registry) if you make changes to your ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf ? 02:36:25 Or you can use (asdf:initialize-source-registry #p"some/file/config.conf") to switch to a specific setup? 02:36:43 This is starting to make sense. 02:39:47 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 02:40:15 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:42:47 yes 02:43:02 sorry it didn't make sense from the docs 02:43:13 bad docs, bad bad 02:43:27 arquebus [~shintaro@201.160.3.219.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #lisp 02:46:24 -!- arquebus [~shintaro@201.160.3.219.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:10 5 02:47:12 klsdjfa;slkdfj 02:48:08 kwertii [~kwertii@ResNet-32-110.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #lisp 02:50:08 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.195.185] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:58:49 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:55 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:29 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 03:09:47 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 03:15:16 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-12-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:15:35 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-12-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:16:30 Fare: I think a sentence describing when one might want to call initialize-source-registry wouldbe helpful. From the name I sort of assumed it would only be called once. 03:16:39 Perhaps it should be reinitialize-source-registry. 03:16:56 except the first time? 03:17:07 a bit late for a rename 03:17:30 Yeah, there might be dozens of folks using it regularly. ;-) 03:17:38 Like tabs in Make. 03:18:40 I'd also like the docs to point out that it does all the stuff (assuming it does) that normally happens automatically (like setting up all the SBCL-specific foo and so forth.) 03:19:08 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 03:19:26 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.13.12] has joined #lisp 03:24:23 -!- zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:29:44 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.199.242] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 03:30:36 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.13.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:17 -!- jaiball [~justin@c-76-119-131-178.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:32:16 xyxxyyy 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reference to the underlying data vector in all of its array objects, so that accessing displaced arrays doesn't have to walk the whole chain every time? 07:26:22 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-71-126.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:28:21 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-13-148.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:11 angavrilov: Could it have something to do with the fact that the original array might be adjustable? 07:33:53 gonzojive [~red@128.12.169.254] has joined #lisp 07:34:01 it already walks some kind of back link structure to check for bound violations 07:42:12 freddie111 [~user@ppp-94-64-128-157.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:44:22 xan_ [~xan@220.118.197.183] has joined #lisp 07:45:58 -!- gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:55:00 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 07:55:42 fiveop [~fiveop@erft-d932ee45.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:55:59 can anyone explain the motivation of !defstruct-with-alternate-metaclass vs. using sb-xc:defstruct? there seems to be no host-compatible version of !defstruct-with-alternate-metaclass (such that instances can be initialized and cross-compiled) 07:59:59 slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1DB17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:07:49 -!- Raynes [~macr0@unaffiliated/raynes] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:09:28 jdz [~jdz@host24-70-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:10:21 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-71-126.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:12:04 tompa [~tompa@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #lisp 08:15:29 HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-131-145.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:16:23 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:17:28 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:31 rbarraud 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re-initialized it before i use it, i am asking this to see if there is a way to do it through the definition of the defparameter 09:07:19 i understood what you meant 09:07:26 thank you 09:08:25 defparameter initializers are evaluated and assigned every time the defparameter form is evaluated 09:08:34 otherwise no assignment is performed other than those you do 09:11:24 francogrex [~user@109.130.5.173] has joined #lisp 09:12:15 (round 3.50) can one decide whether the rounding would be up 4 or down 3 or is that implementation dependent? 09:15:09 nope 09:15:45 ROUND always rounds towards the even number 09:16:06 that seems like a strange decision 09:16:34 Ralith: Why? 09:16:41 it prevents accumulation of rounding errors 09:17:04 let me explain what i need it for (pls bear with me a little) 09:17:21 I have age of subjects that I need to place into bins 09:17:59 beach: it appears somewhat arbitrary. 09:18:06 that is, the basis on which it was made is nonobvious 09:18:07 to me. 09:18:27 Ralith: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounding#Tie-breaking and following headings. there are a few tie-breaking methods 09:18:35 the arbitrary one is under "stochastical rounding" 09:18:50 (it's where you choose randomly between the two) 09:19:07 the age is given in years so if a subject has 4 month, it outputs 4/12 BUT the it outputs (/ 4.00 12.00) go figure (it's an oracle db) 09:19:19 antifuchs: I mean the decisions seems arbitrary, not the effects of it. 09:19:20 Ralith: No, it is known as unbiased rounding. 09:19:30 beach: no what? 09:19:41 Ralith: apparently, it's in use by other languages, too 09:19:43 Ralith: I meant, it is not arbitrary. 09:19:57 and it's one of the more widely-used error-reducing tiebreakers 09:20:38 -!- xan_ [~xan@114.205.152.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:21:24 so it's 0.33333334 and when I want to convert it back to months it's (* 12 0.33333) so it's 3.9999 and rounds to 4 ok. But somtimes the age is 3.50 that is not to be included in a bin of 4 months but of 3 months for me 09:21:24 cow-orker [~mw@c541745C1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 09:21:41 francogrex: What is it suppose to mean that "it outputs ... BUT the it outputs ..." 09:21:51 beach: yeah, didn't think it actually was 09:21:57 antifuchs: okay, neat 09:23:11 beach: the it refers to the oracle db 09:23:41 francogrex: Your phrase sounds like a contradiction: it output, and it outputs something different. 09:24:26 francogrex: And it is syntactically strange: but the it outputs. I can't figure out what it means. And what does it mean that "it outputs"? Is that something done by PRINT? 09:25:02 francogrex: And why would anything "output" (/ 4.00 12.00) as opposed to the value of that form? 09:25:37 i wasn't clear: the orcake database output is send to me as: age of subject is 3.5 months (or 3.99 months ) etc 09:25:38 francogrex: If it "outputs" (/ 4.00 12.00) why don't you just capture that in a string and erase the .00s? 09:26:18 beach: no sorry, i was trying to illustrate how it works but the final outputs I get are 3.5 3.99 etc 09:26:19 francogrex: And why are you not happy about rounding that to 4? 09:26:39 I'm ok with just the 3.99 rounding to 4 09:26:59 even the 3.5 rounding to 4 (i understand the math correctness) 09:27:01 -!- Plazma [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has left #lisp 09:27:14 francogrex: So what's the problem? 09:27:35 xan_ [~xan@114.205.152.222] has joined #lisp 09:27:39 but for my purpose it's no good because 3.99 means the age of the subject was 4 months (do anywhere between 4 and below 5) 09:27:44 Bronsa [~bronsa@host152-175-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:28:13 while when it's 3.5 it means the age of te subject was between 3 and 4 09:28:24 francogrex: 3.99 is not between 4 and 5. 09:29:33 francogrex: At which point do you start considering that 3.xx is really 4? 3.99? 3.98? something else? 09:29:35 beach: I know but that's how I get it: they start with 4/12 and then the * that with 12 and unfortunately since they don't work with rationals 09:30:35 it's a problem of the data I get granted but wondering whether there is a way i can set a rule in my lisp to correct that 09:30:56 francogrex: We can't fix Oracle, and you haven't said what you consider "correct". 09:31:20 francogrex: You keep giving examples of what you don't like, but you are not telling us what you want the result to be. 09:31:52 you could fix the query, to get oracle to output the number of months (: 09:32:06 francogrex: maybe you're looking for #'truncate? 09:32:06 -!- xan_ [~xan@114.205.152.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:32:48 ok so you suggest that I don't use the numerical value from oracle but the string value and I work with that 09:33:20 if what you want to do is truncate, why not just call truncate 09:33:47 francogrex: Me? I still have no idea what you want, so I can't give you any advice. If you want help, you had better say what you want the result to be as opposed to just saying that you don't like what you get. 09:35:49 beach: ok. But I realize it's not good asking lisp to fix serious oracle issues (well the coding at least). sorry but maybe let's drop it. 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JSON might be a good de-jour interchange format 10:32:49 *rtoym* wonders how to get slime to stop single-stepping a function. 10:34:03 <_3b> autodoc is hard in untyped languages with lots of things being members of classes or whatever 10:34:26 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:34:41 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36:13 <_3b> also doesn't help that the browsers that i tried couldn't introspect built-in functions 10:36:59 oh indeed that sucks 10:37:53 *_3b* tried a bit of that sort of thing while messing with parenscript + slime-proxy 10:42:02 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:42:02 e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 10:50:57 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:08 hargettp 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boxed pack patch. Here near the end you can see examples of code that loads single-float pack immediates as integer data, even if the exact type is specified with truly-the, or should be known from declared ret type of constant-folded function: http://github.com/angavrilov/sbcl/blob/sse/src/compiler/x86-64/sse-intrinsics.lisp 12:47:07 Remembered. I'll tell pkhuong_ when he/she/it next speaks. 12:48:11 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 12:48:19 -!- seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:38 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:10 homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:53:46 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:38 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-84-44-143-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:55:47 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-84-44-143-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:56:03 jyper_noscreen [~quassel@host-247-38.pubnet.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 12:56:12 -!- amos__ [~amos@host86-147-211-39.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:56:23 -!- jyper_noscreen [~quassel@host-247-38.pubnet.pdx.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 12:56:46 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:56:51 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:59:13 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host100-229-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:00:25 davazp [~user@128.Red-88-6-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:24 pjb: SBCL cannot be compiled with hardened GCC 13:11:11 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:11:24 In what way is it "hardened"? 13:11:34 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 13:14:56 -!- lnostdal-android [~lnostdal-@77.19.65.104.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [] 13:22:45 -!- blandest [~user@109.166.142.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:52 beach: http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening#NotesonMemoryCorruptionMitigationMethods 13:23:22 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-146-80.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:24:07 fe[nl]ix: Thanks! 13:24:53 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 13:26:04 and ISTR nyef saying that solving this would require massive changes to the C & CL runtimes 13:27:34 seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:32:28 fe[nl]ix: Why is this a problem? Can't the options that create problems be turned off? 13:33:56 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:34:03 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34:06 no. the whole point of a hardened GCC is to enforce certain programming practices 13:34:09 that make more sense for daemons written in C 13:43:41 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:44:30 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:48:13 Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-7994.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 13:48:24 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:48:27 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:51:43 -!- oxi [~oxi@unaffiliated/oxi] has quit [Quit: oxi] 13:54:47 oxi [~oxi@unaffiliated/oxi] has joined #lisp 13:54:49 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.195.185] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:56:48 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:50 -!- seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:21 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:21 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:01:19 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 14:03:48 -!- xan_ [~xan@124.62.3.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:09:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:45 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:12:04 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:13:30 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host152-175-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:53 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:15:08 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 14:17:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:17:27 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:12 jaiball [~justin@c-76-119-131-178.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:01 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:24:25 xan_ [~xan@220.118.197.183] has joined #lisp 14:25:07 -!- davazp [~user@128.Red-88-6-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:23 cmo-0 [~user@86.99.180.40] has joined #lisp 14:32:10 carlocci [~nes@93.37.193.228] has joined #lisp 14:33:55 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:17 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 14:35:34 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 14:46:42 OEP [~OEP@c-76-27-129-70.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:15 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:52:41 lemonade` [~lemonade`@pool-71-178-51-180.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:59:25 Kaer [b@c-cfcee253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:03:32 dreish [~dreish@2002:cf8a:2fad:0:21f:5bff:fe35:ae0d] has joined #lisp 15:03:38 -!- Kae [b@c-cfcee253.97-16-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:03:44 -!- Kaer is now known as Kae 15:12:07 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.67.157.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 15:13:16 lnostdal-android [~androirc@77.19.65.104.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 15:15:19 -!- jdz [~jdz@host24-70-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:21:39 kenpp [~kenpp@188-222-117-86.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:21:46 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:46 -!- oxi [~oxi@unaffiliated/oxi] has quit [Quit: oxi] 15:27:17 TomJ [~tomj@89.241.144.231] has joined #lisp 15:27:21 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483DD3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:31:18 Hmm. There doesn't seem to be any way to determine if a sigfpe came from an sse2 instruction or an x87 instruction. 15:32:45 gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 15:36:30 What happens if the readtable case is :invert, but the unescaped letters are *not* all of the same case? 15:36:42 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754459.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:51 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 15:39:17 Hmm, (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :invert) ... 'lksjdf => lksjdf That doesn't look right. 15:40:32 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-188-118-131-145.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 15:41:24 oh, wait, the printer takes that into account as well doesn't it. 15:41:47 Sorry! 15:42:52 seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 15:45:58 rtoym: you could disassemble at IP, I suppose. 15:45:58 pkhuong_, memo from angavrilov: Re types, how would you ensure correct load instructions for immediates when constants are untyped? Surprisingly, in ECL it works fine, but that's because I (so to say) relaxed VOP matching so that I can require exact prim-types for args, and then use them to generate correct casts, or access correct boxed union members. 15:45:58 pkhuong_, memo from angavrilov: I have rebuilt my sbcl tweaks to exclude the typed boxed pack patch. Here near the end you can see examples of code that loads single-float pack immediates as integer data, even if the exact type is specified with truly-the, or should be known from declared ret type of constant-folded function: http://github.com/angavrilov/sbcl/blob/sse/src/compiler/x86-64/sse-intrinsics.lisp 15:46:18 Raynes [~macr0@unaffiliated/raynes] has joined #lisp 15:51:19 -!- seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:24 minion: memo for angavrilov: that's one point in favor of no runtime type for packs, but static types for functions; the one issue will be with runtime checks for generic (untyped) pack variables as arguments. *But* (practically), loading constants in the VOPs will side-step that issue. 15:51:24 Remembered. I'll tell angavrilov when he/she/it next speaks. 15:51:31 seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 15:52:22 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:54:59 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 15:56:00 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-7994.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:56:28 -!- seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:58:13 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:58:45 disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E211.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:04 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:59:11 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 16:00:11 Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 16:01:37 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:44 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:04:13 pkhuong_: I guess I could, but that's not the instruction causing the exception since x87 exceptions are signaled at the _next_ x87 instruction. 16:08:51 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 16:09:23 rtoym: it'll still tell you whether it's x87 or SSE, I guess. 16:19:43 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.222.93] has joined #lisp 16:20:35 Yeah, it will. But I guess I don't really need to know. I was motivated, but less so now. 16:22:46 or you could revert to the old behaviour of inserting WAIT everywhere. 16:25:18 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28:29 Doesn't that have a major impact on fpu speed? 16:29:19 probably (: 16:30:52 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:31:48 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:22 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:00 benny` [~user@i577A7C99.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:40:33 -!- benny [~user@i577A80DB.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:40:49 seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 16:43:15 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:43:21 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:52 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:30 (if (search "Windows" (user-agent) :test 'char-equal) 16:45:30 (cl-ppcre:regex-replace ".*\\\\" file-name "") 16:45:30 file-name) 16:45:53 Does anyone see what that is supposed to do? file-name is the client-side file name of file uploaded to hunchentoot 16:47:35 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.164] has joined #lisp 16:47:44 -!- benny` is now known as benny 16:48:14 tcr: basename? 16:48:50 I'm guessing from that code that some windows browsers send a pathname rather than just the filename for uploaded files, and that code strips off everything before the last \ 16:50:11 that makes sense. I guess file-namestring won't do something useful to a windows pathname on linux 16:51:53 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:54:29 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 16:55:13 cinch [~cinch@unaffiliated/cinch] has joined #lisp 16:57:46 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:57:55 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:00:42 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:00:44 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:11:54 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:19:55 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:23:13 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:24:16 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 17:25:51 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:06 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:59 fe[nl]ix, I don't suppose you have had any time to checkout that lw6/iolib bug i mentioned earlier this week 17:28:37 unlikely :-) 17:33:59 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23710.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:41 seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:40 -!- seekalana [~seekalana@CPE-58-175-25-194.mqdl1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:28 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:49 psilord1 [~psilord@adsl-99-154-14-142.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:08 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:32 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:21 -!- disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E211.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:46:57 tcr, you seem to have mistaken the tense of PuffTheMagic's query 17:48:14 his answer is still prob correct ;) 17:51:49 :) 17:52:49 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC23710.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:04 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23710.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:22 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:04:41 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:04:41 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@rrcs-64-183-136-38.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:04:41 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 18:08:00 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:01 Mesh [~Mesh@216.201.34.14] has joined #lisp 18:08:35 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:07 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:09:33 -!- lemonade` [~lemonade`@pool-71-178-51-180.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:05 lemonade` [~lemonade`@pool-71-178-51-180.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:50 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.254.120] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 18:13:32 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@145.236.198.66] has joined #lisp 18:14:04 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:18:03 ikki [~ikki@189.247.159.110] has joined #lisp 18:22:07 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 18:22:14 Does anyone here know if any Lisp's optimize (sort seq pred :key #'something) such that #'something is only called once per element of seq? 18:22:22 s/Lisp's/Lisps/ 18:23:50 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:28 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 18:25:56 root [~root@dsl254-119-219.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:59 poisonarms [~poisonarm@c-68-57-170-85.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:06 Bronsa [~bronsa@host60-180-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:26:15 -!- root is now known as Guest5359 18:26:37 -!- Guest5359 [~root@dsl254-119-219.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #lisp 18:28:13 dulouz [~root@2002:d8fe:77db:0:21c:b3ff:fec1:5e14] has joined #lisp 18:29:55 Hello, is anyone running hunchentoot on OSX? I've had it running on linux just fine, but when I try to start the server in OSX, it seems to hang. this is sbcl and hunchentoot 1.1.0 18:30:10 sbcl 1.0.39 18:30:11 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 18:30:39 is there something different about OSX and starting servers? I'm trying to start it on 8080 18:34:07 dulouz: I think by default SBCL builds without threads on OS X. 18:34:33 You need to build it yourself and do the magic thing to enable it as described in INSTALL. 18:35:17 thanks, I'll check it out. I installed sbcl via macports. not sure how it was built. love your book btw 18:35:36 thanks! 18:35:55 So now that you have it installed, it's easy to rebuild from source. 18:36:01 -!- lnostdal-android [~androirc@77.19.65.104.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Quit: sabrina,] 18:36:35 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:47 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:37:33 if it is the same as FreeBSD ( I guess it is ) then sbcl only has experimental thread support 18:37:40 and its one of the compile options 18:37:55 when you install it using ports check out the configuration file 18:38:29 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 18:38:48 ok, i'm new to macports so i'm trying to find some documentation on rebuilding with compilation options 18:38:53 dulouz: 18:38:56 edit the makefile 18:38:58 OPTIONS= SBCL "Use installed SBCL binary if available" off \ THREADS "Enable experimental threading support" off 18:39:04 PissedNumlock: I think Darwin thread support is meant to be semi-non-experimental, now 18:39:17 it was 6months ago since Ive tried it 18:39:20 though ccl may be a better choice for thread-y stuff on MacOS, still 18:39:21 didnt work that well then 18:39:27 dulouz: There are flags you can give to macports to build with thread support. 18:40:31 *rsynnott* used to be reliably able to cause a segfault with sbcl threads on mac, but that was about two years ago 18:41:59 Krystof: in SBCL when you call SORT with a :key argument, how many times does the key function get called for an n-element sequence? 18:42:22 Good evening! 18:42:25 evening. 18:46:39 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 18:47:07 evening 18:50:35 gigamonkey: I would imagine whenever a comparison is made. 18:51:14 gigamonkey: It would be tricky to do it differently, though you just gave me an idea of an interesting optimization possible for the sort function in SICL. 18:51:41 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082ACB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:34 thanks for the help everyone, i've got sbcl compiling with thread support 18:54:43 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B32661E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:57:36 beach: interestingly in Python3 (the language) they got rid of the equivalent of :test in their sort function leaving only the equivalent of :key. 18:57:54 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:11 And I think they guarantee that the sort operates by the "Schwartzian Transform" so the key function is called only once per item rather than once per comparison. 19:00:29 I think "lots" 19:00:52 gigamonkey: did they? Odd 19:00:53 Of course that works a little more nicely in Python than it might in CL since tuples in Python are orderable so you can always arrange your :key function to return tuples with the desired sorting characteristics. 19:01:23 rsynnott: yeah, it seems kind of crazy but it also seems (in my somewhat limited experience) that you really can always express what you want with just a key function. 19:01:47 ah, yep, I suppose you should be able to 19:02:18 and given the performance penalty of a python functuion... 19:02:22 *function call 19:05:00 hot, hunchentoot is up and running. thanks again #lisp! 19:06:43 Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-3-129.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:12:54 Kerrick [~Kerrick@helix.echoservers.com] has joined #lisp 19:15:45 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:28 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has quit [Quit: red1ynx] 19:17:05 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:26 khrum42 [~khrum42@2001:a60:f05d:1::dead] has joined #lisp 19:18:29 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:18:31 red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has joined #lisp 19:19:43 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 19:19:56 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:22:21 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC23710.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:33 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 19:30:51 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:07 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:33:44 jdz [~jdz@host24-70-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:33:50 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 19:35:18 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-99-71.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:39 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:58 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:37:00 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 19:37:04 Krystof: thanks for the reply on sbcl-devel regarding PCL. Do you also happen to know what !defstruct-with-alternate-metaclass is all about? 19:38:35 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-152-221.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:39:50 well, it allows you to have structure-like things that aren't of type structure-class/structure-object 19:40:38 so, for example, conditions and funcallable-instances have slots but aren't of type structure-object (and their layout in memory is significantly different) 19:44:26 I see why the comment above their definition says they should probably be refactored in primitive object definitions 19:46:43 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:48:28 -!- poisonarms [~poisonarm@c-68-57-170-85.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:26 -!- OEP [~OEP@c-76-27-129-70.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:52:49 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:03:52 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:43 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:28 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-5-111.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:11 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-99-71.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:08:33 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:10:12 -!- dulouz [~root@2002:d8fe:77db:0:21c:b3ff:fec1:5e14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:59 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:12:18 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:14:41 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:15:22 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:23 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20:15:45 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@helix.echoservers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:13 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:18:59 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 20:26:18 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-28-198.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:28:48 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:33 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:29:38 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:32:25 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:33:27 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:33:43 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:52 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:36:59 Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 20:37:18 abhinav [~abhinav@122.172.4.101] has joined #lisp 20:38:31 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:41:38 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:45:28 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:35 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 20:49:36 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:50:17 Plazma [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined #lisp 20:50:41 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host60-180-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:51:13 Bronsa [~bronsa@host60-180-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:51:45 vp8dmh [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 20:52:40 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:53:09 hi all 20:53:51 is it possible to attach custom properties to a class slot, and then read them later given just the slot name? 20:53:58 or am i getting into macro territory? 20:54:31 vp8dmh: you can attach things to the name by making a table associating the name with a value. 20:54:43 -!- kenpp [~kenpp@188-222-117-86.zone13.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:55:19 vp8dmh: you can do that independently of what the name might name (class slot, favorite pet, etc) 20:56:29 Yeah, it's just that I have a class with a load of slots, and I want to hold 'translations' of those slot names for exporting the data to another format 20:56:46 I was hoping to achieve it without typing everything out again in other table, that's all 21:00:31 vp8dmh: it's possible using MOP 21:00:37 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:31 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host60-180-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:48 Bronsa [~bronsa@host60-180-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:01:51 I can get a list of the slots using MOP, but only seem to be able to read the values of standard properties 21:02:04 vp8dmh: well, you can just build a map of slot names (or readers) with translating functions, and access the object by funcalling the reader or calling slot-value with the slot name. 21:02:30 vp8dmh: You may want to encapsulate that map in an object, but otherwise, I don't see a reason to do heavy machinery on the original class. 21:02:56 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754459.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:03 xissburg [~chatzilla@187.3.145.113] has joined #lisp 21:03:12 vp8dmh: perhaps you want to convert depending on the type of the slot? 21:03:28 vp8dmh: then indeed, using MOP will be interesting. 21:04:30 no, a map would do the trick fine, i'm just trying to avoid duplication that's all 21:05:14 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 21:05:14 For example, this will get me the name of the first slot: (closer-mop:slot-definition-name (car (closer-mop:class-direct-slots (find-class 'qso)))) 21:05:54 vp8dmh: you can make new initargs recognized via the mop, and process them in whatever way makes sense. 21:06:04 slot args, that is 21:06:23 hmm, ok thanks 21:06:26 Just giving a table with the name of the slots along with the conversion function is not really duplication. If you expect to be adding/removing slots, you will have to write a defclass* macro to define your classes with the conversion function for each slot. 21:06:35 so, via the mop, you could do (defclass foo ((bar :translation fribble)) (:metaclass ...)) 21:07:04 I'll have a closer read of the metaclass documentation then 21:07:09 I've never actually used MOP before, so this is all new 21:07:18 Xach: MOP or defmacro then? 21:07:50 MOP seems heavier to me. 21:08:30 -!- cmo-0 [~user@86.99.180.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:33 exercise your mop muscles to make them bigger, old man! 21:08:42 Ok. :-) 21:08:58 drewc uses the MOP fore before 8am than most use it their entire lifetime! 21:09:10 "more before", rathe 21:09:20 *Xach* stares at his faulty keyboard 21:11:07 *xissburg* stares at Xach defective hands 21:11:35 -!- abhinav [~abhinav@122.172.4.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:12:02 abhinav [~abhinav@nat/cisco/x-ciaippxicvhifnff] has joined #lisp 21:12:38 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-117-208.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:38 heh 21:15:13 -!- claint [~user@88.234.52.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:28 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:18:38 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:21:42 lispm [~lispm@d220255.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 21:22:10 -!- lispm [~lispm@d220255.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:28:48 *drewc* is a reformed MOPoholic 21:29:06 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:36 vp8dmh: sounds like you just need generic functions ....(defmethod translate-slot ((object my-object-class) (slot 21:31:39 err 21:32:02 drewc: "reformed"? :D 21:32:03 (defmethod translate-slot (object (slot (eql 'slot-name))) ...) 21:32:05 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.164] has joined #lisp 21:32:22 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 21:33:09 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:52 p_l: indeed, i don't turn to the MOP out of habit anymore. 21:34:09 everything that used to look like an object looks more like an interface now :) 21:36:47 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host60-180-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:43:37 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:31 -!- xissburg [~chatzilla@187.3.145.113] has left #lisp 21:44:42 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:14 I can't seem to produce an executable with ecl. I'm using asdf:make-build, but all the executable I produce break with: No class named ASDF::COMPILE-OP. / No restarts available. / Broken at NIL. In: #. / CFFI-GROVEL>> 21:48:08 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:48:17 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:48:49 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 21:49:11 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:49:22 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-40-54.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:32 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 21:49:38 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 21:51:19 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:51:19 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-178-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:53:49 clhs labels 21:53:49 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 21:55:05 -!- bandu is now known as coyo 21:57:14 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:59:32 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:45 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59:47 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:00:05 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:19 tcr1 [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:50 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:02:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@220.118.197.183] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:03:43 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:03:46 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:50 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 22:04:26 rryouumaa [~unknown@ip68-226-111-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:05 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:04 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:47 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 22:13:03 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Client Quit] 22:13:22 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 22:13:48 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Client Quit] 22:14:26 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:14:44 -!- micro_ is now known as micro`` 22:18:10 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1CEDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:23 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18:34 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:10 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:25:50 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:29:31 -!- mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:31:22 mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:31:47 pjb: Try the ecl mailing list. They tend to be very responsive. Be sure to include the ECL version. 22:31:59 pjb: Also, what are your dependencies? 22:33:14 -!- rryouumaa [~unknown@ip68-226-111-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #lisp 22:33:30 timor [~timor@port-92-195-81-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:38:50 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:11 redline6561: essentially alexandria, babel and iolib (which depends on cffi). 22:42:17 -!- cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:42:25 Is it possible to specialize defmethod on the contents of a particular field in a plist? 22:42:37 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:39 antoszka: no. 22:42:46 Thx. 22:42:51 antoszka: but you can implement the dispatching yourself. 22:42:55 pjb: Interesting. I ask because I've seen that exact same error but with different libs. 22:43:30 ldunn [~user@d110-32-148-138.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:44:07 pjb: with generic function invocation protocol? 22:44:48 p_l: that's an idea. But I'd see something simplier, with a trampoline function. 22:45:13 pjb: Would you point me to some further reading in that department? 22:45:42 cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has joined #lisp 22:46:01 antoszka: just: (defun fun (plist ...) (method (getf plist :key) ...)) 22:46:25 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 22:46:34 or you can go the MOP way :P 22:46:41 pjb: Will think about that, thx. 22:47:19 you can? 22:47:29 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:47:42 -!- ldunn [~user@d110-32-148-138.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 22:47:42 ldunn [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 22:49:41 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:49:58 stassats: I think it should be possible with new gf metaclass 22:50:10 *metaclasses - there's more than one to implement, I think 22:52:00 i'm more interested in how to do this 22:52:42 I don't remember exactly, but AMOP has a whole chapter on modifying GF behaviour 22:53:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@145.236.198.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:54:02 of all which reduces to ensure-class 22:55:32 bootstrapping-issue and metacircurlarity 22:56:04 which are all solved differently for every implementation it seems.... 22:56:26 what about "making sense"? 22:57:20 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 22:58:28 making sense is making sense 22:59:25 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:49 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:00:06 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:02:05 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-53-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: galaxywatcher] 23:03:55 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A5697.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:05 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:51 Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-7994.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 23:09:53 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:23 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:10:26 -!- mrSpec [spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:13:54 -!- lemonade` [~lemonade`@pool-71-178-51-180.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:07 lemonade` [~lemonade`@pool-71-178-51-180.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:41 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-57-82-249-53-249.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:21:52 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:28:21 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-36-82-251-54-87.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:49 -!- jdz [~jdz@host24-70-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:32:12 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:26 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:34:59 -!- cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:39:47 -!- mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:40:20 mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:46:14 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-20-76.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:50:26 -!- Raynes [~macr0@unaffiliated/raynes] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:51:28 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 23:52:48 -!- abhinav [~abhinav@nat/cisco/x-ciaippxicvhifnff] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:59 Tordek [tordek@free.blinkenshell.org] has joined #lisp 23:54:05 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-7994.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:56:54 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:40 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]