00:01:13 interesting 00:03:34 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-23.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:05:53 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-73-212.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:25 argh! 00:07:16 Komi [Komi@83.231.83.83] has joined #lisp 00:07:26 I just spent half an hour debugging some stupid elisp code before I remembered that there's no lexical closures :( 00:08:39 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-189-228.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:09:53 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-23.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:53 elisp lexical-let 00:09:53 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for lexical-let. 00:10:00 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-51-224.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:10:11 that's in cl package 00:11:48 oh, thanks 00:12:07 -!- slyrus_ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:12:48 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 00:13:01 I avoid the cl package out of habit, but it is appropriate in this context 00:13:19 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:13:26 elisp is unbearable without cl package 00:14:10 I quite agree 00:14:45 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:15:16 however I regularly use machines where (require 'cl) can take up to 10 seconds, so it's worth avoiding in my .emacs 00:16:37 here's a nickel, kid, etc 00:17:54 is that for buying a real machine or a real lisp? :) 00:18:07 emacs isn't supposed to be stopped 00:19:09 right, I suppose I should be using emacsclient 00:20:27 adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-51-224.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:21:22 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:22:10 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:04 pizdets [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:23:18 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:55 -!- pizdets [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:24:00 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:30 AndroUser2 [~androirc@77.17.25.244.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 00:25:01 sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.160.2] has joined #lisp 00:25:06 Yeah! Now these partitions work: http://paste.lisp.org/display/113648#2 00:26:01 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:05 Comments and opinions are welcome. 00:27:46 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.160.2] has quit [Client Quit] 00:27:51 -!- lnostdal-android [~androirc@77.19.147.16.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:32 -!- srolls_ [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:33 peterhil: you can use MAP instead of the TYPECASE/LOOP, and should use PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT in your PRINT-OBJECT method 00:31:13 peterhil: you can also do (push (cons key count) (limits partition)) instead of the SETF/ACONS 00:31:53 -!- retroj [~retroj@unaffiliated/retroj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:31 -!- rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@202-180-88-252.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:35:22 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 00:35:37 syamajala [~syamajala@68-116-188-249.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:37:07 peterhil: I'd also use DOLIST rather than MAPC, ALEXANDRIA:IF-LET rather than LET/IF 00:37:23 scottj [~scott@c-24-10-236-120.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:36 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:25 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 00:42:34 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@124.76.12.192] has joined #lisp 00:43:26 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:43:45 peterhil: it may also be a good idea to have a SHARED-INITIALIZE method rather than an INITIALIZE-INSTANCE one 00:44:02 mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has joined #lisp 00:45:25 adeht: Thanks, sounds good suggestions. I'll look at those tomorrow. Now I have to get some sleep. 00:45:50 -!- Elench [~Elench@unaffiliated/elench] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:46:25 goodnight peterhil_ 00:47:22 Elench [~Elench@unaffiliated/elench] has joined #lisp 00:48:01 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:19 abugosh [~Adium@pool-74-103-38-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:49:47 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:50:34 davazp [~user@83.54.164.142] has joined #lisp 00:51:20 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:53:10 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:53:36 -!- TheLolrus [~Xarver@cpe-75-83-191-189.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:08 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:27 Good night everyone! 01:03:55 good night peterhil_ 01:06:01 mega1 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timeout: 252 seconds] 02:52:10 -!- leviathan [~quassel@c-82-192-226-27.customer.ggaweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:53:27 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:56:46 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:57:22 leviathan [~quassel@c-82-192-226-27.customer.ggaweb.ch] has joined #lisp 02:59:19 Good morning everyone! 02:59:46 *malfeas* nods curtly 03:00:02 malfeas: I don't recognize your nick. Are you new here? 03:00:46 beach: Yes. 03:01:30 Welcome, then! 03:01:31 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-29-230.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:26 *malfeas* nods. 03:03:06 stassats`: Around? 03:03:17 malfeas: Are you working on any Lisp project? 03:03:40 beach: Why are you interested? 03:03:52 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-251-5.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:03:57 malfeas: I just am. You don't have to answer if you don't like. 03:04:03 Ok. 03:04:53 Besides, I am always trying to recruit people for various projects :) 03:05:45 Great. 03:10:49 abugosh [~Adium@pool-74-103-38-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:34 -!- malfeas is now known as asher- 03:12:40 beach: I was thinking about the float reader the other day. My guess as to why cmucl doesn't use clinger's algorithm is that Lisp needs a function to convert rationals to floats anyway, so why not just use that to convert the float that is read in. 03:12:41 -!- asher- is now known as malfeas 03:12:51 Anyway, that's my theory. I have no proof of this. 03:13:39 rtoym: Yes, you are probably right. Except that you can make it faster if you know that the denominator is a power of 10, so that's an important special case. 03:15:16 rtoym: And both Clinger and Gay notice the special case where you can obtain the resulting number by multiplying or dividing two floats that are exact representations of the mantissa and the exponent. This case is common in decimal input, but maybe not for converting arbitrary rationals. 03:15:36 I guess speed wasn't that important. At least I don't recall anyone complaining about how slow the float reader is. 03:15:49 *rtoym* 's memory isn't what it used to be. 03:16:16 rtoym: It may be dwarfed by the rest of the reader algorithm anyway, which is why I am thinking about that now. 03:17:07 Yeah, that's probably true too. 03:17:13 rtoym: For instance, I wonder whether it would be interesting to split up states 8 and 9 of the reader to different ones, depending on whether an integer, a float, a ratio, a potential number, or a symbol is being read. 03:18:02 Probably the reason there are no complaints is that few people depend on a fast reader in the first place. But I can imagine important applications that have tons of floats that need to be read. 03:18:43 Where are the states 8 and 9 defined? 03:19:03 clhs 2.2 03:19:03 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_b.htm 03:19:59 Silly me. I was looking in the Reader chapter. :-) 03:20:10 rtoym: It happens to me all the time. 03:32:04 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xwybjkoikhyvrzsw] has joined #lisp 03:34:16 gonzojive [~red@2002:800c:a95a:4:fa1e:dfff:fee3:34e8] has joined #lisp 03:34:31 rtoym: now i am 03:36:18 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:36:19 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@124.76.12.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:36:35 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.13.12] has joined #lisp 03:42:00 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:42:37 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:39 -!- vishsingh [~vishsingh@bas2-toronto10-2925235706.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 03:51:03 -!- billitch1 [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:55:04 -!- debiandebian [~chatzilla@ntszok008244.szok.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:55:33 -!- 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A frequent question was "Do you ever sleep?" 10:39:06 *Xach* wishes he could do that these days for #lisp to keep the thrill quota up! 10:39:24 You could impersonate yourself with a Xachbot. 10:46:27 fiveop [~fiveop@dfn138.rz.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #lisp 10:47:12 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 10:50:35 loxs [~loxs@213.169.45.106] has joined #lisp 10:52:41 Xach: ah, the life of a computer screen addict 10:55:02 obligatory xkcd reference http://xkcd.com/269 10:59:04 -!- coyo_ is now known as leere 11:01:20 -!- coyo is now known as sleepingyote 11:01:25 -!- leere is now known as coyo 11:01:53 -!- coyo is now known as leere 11:02:14 -!- sleepingyote is now known as coyo 11:02:15 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23E58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:29 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 11:10:24 serichsen [~user@g228128048.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:10:57 Hello! 11:13:55 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.13.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:16:03 hello serichsen 11:20:18 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.79.61.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: tfb] 11:34:21 marienz [~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz] has joined #lisp 11:34:41 mathrick [~mathrick@wireless.its.sdu.dk] has joined #lisp 11:36:27 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC23E58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:38 Owner [~user@c-69-251-172-246.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:39:32 wat? 11:40:24 -!- Owner [~user@c-69-251-172-246.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #lisp 11:43:34 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:50:25 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:00 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:56:32 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:59 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:59:57 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:01:45 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 12:02:04 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.214] has joined #lisp 12:02:06 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:20 rdd [~user@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:07:40 urandom_ [~user@p548A4D65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:24 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-165-115.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:12:47 francogrex [~user@109.130.113.175] has joined #lisp 12:13:06 'morning 12:13:12 yo 12:13:44 good morning, I'm still struggling to underrstand the use of sockets (using ecl) can someone give the simplest example possible so I can try it out? 12:14:05 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-177-178.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:16:08 francogrex: example of what? 12:16:13 What do you want to achieve? 12:18:20 Xach: ultimately have a connection bewteen ecl and php; but for now as a beginning a simple test whatever you have in mind (like echo server etc) 12:19:52 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1D3CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:22:27 Joreji [~thomas@79-115.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:26:12 peterhil__ [peterhil@a91-153-120-132.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 12:27:24 Good morning! 12:27:43 hello peterhil_ 12:27:52 peterhil_: you must have had a long night's rest :) 12:28:30 Yes, I had. A bit too long... But maybe it is good to sleep over the sleep deprivation. :-) 12:28:43 francogrex: ecl copies sbcl's sb-bsd-sockets model, which maps pretty closely in some respects to the bsd socket api. if you have access to unix manpages, "man 7 socket", "man 7 tcp", etc might give you some clues. 12:28:52 adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-51-224.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:30:09 ok yes I have those now I'm reading thx 12:30:37 -!- peterhil__ is now known as peterhil 12:31:03 francogrex: it may help also to know that you can convert a socket to a CL stream (where the standard functions mostly work) with socket-make-stream 12:32:52 francogrex: perhaps not smart, but have looked at iolib? 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14:12:19 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 14:12:32 Argh, I just ran into Xah Lee's blogger profile, and it turns out we share about three favourite movies 14:12:39 *rsynnott* changes profile immediately 14:12:48 You are infected. 14:13:09 The only way to be free is to kill the master troll. 14:13:18 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 14:15:00 fe[nl]ix: i ask cause i have some code that runs fine in ccl but in lispworks it seems to get stuck in a wait 14:16:53 PuffTheMagic: not by me. a LW user submitted it 14:20:05 ok so it needs some testing i take it 14:22:53 Does anyone else feel that the CLHS reference on cs.cmu.edu look too old school? 14:23:13 Here is a solution for Safari: Add this to your use style sheet: BODY[BGCOLOR*="#c0c0c0"] { background: white ! important} 14:23:28 peterhil: i think 95% of lispdocs look old 14:23:58 peterhil: why would you use the cmu edition instead of the lispworks edition? 14:24:18 It's just the grey background that bothers me. And always when I end up on cmu version of CLHS I hope I would have looked for LispWorks ref link.... 14:24:24 -!- muddyferret [~muddyferr@83.37.239.24] has quit [Quit: muddyferret] 14:24:30 which texinfo-docstrings repo did you guys say to use yesterday, the repo.or or common-lisp.net repo? 14:24:32 Because it usually comes first at Google results 14:24:57 Oh, but I can favorite the Lispworls one. 14:25:03 *rsynnott* remembers the good old days when all websites had grey backgrounds 14:25:05 ...google results?! 14:25:06 if i do CLHS 14:25:10 (I think it was the netscape default) 14:25:11 it always comes up with lispworks fo rme 14:25:23 with google at least 14:25:26 rsynnott: Mosaic before that. 14:25:44 peterhil: you should use C-c C-d h and a local copy 14:25:55 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.221.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:26:08 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:13 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: gz] 14:26:17 Yeah, I know... usually I use keywurl, but for some reason it doesn't work on Safari 5 on Leopard. :_/ 14:26:54 carlocci [~nes@93.37.221.134] has joined #lisp 14:28:03 *peterhil* remembers the good old days of Netscape 2 and 3 (and HTML 2 and 3) too. 14:29:28 stassats`: I have a local copy, but using that won't work without keywurl or using emacs. I will start to use emacs some day... 14:30:21 peterhil: l1sp.org can be handy also. 14:31:11 *Xach* is completely unbiased regarding l1sp.org! 14:32:42 retroj [~retroj@unaffiliated/retroj] has joined #lisp 14:36:23 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:36 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:00 how long has l1sp.org been around? 14:37:22 it's entirely possible I've been scanning the url visually as 'lisp.org' until now. 14:37:47 Fade: 2 years now 14:37:57 yep. i dyslexed it. 14:38:02 Fade: p3rl.org has it easier :( 14:38:08 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:38:22 *Xach* laughs at the absence of h4skell.org! 14:39:01 that seems like an oversight. 14:39:19 *Fade* considers registering it and redirecting it to common-lisp.net 14:40:13 0bject1veC.org? :) 14:43:58 akimbo [~user@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:44:01 -!- Davsebamse 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[~user@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:33:56 rtoym: Does cmucl have a built-in function that can rename directories? 16:34:12 rtoym: rename-file places some restrictions on the target name that i'd like to avoid. 16:34:25 rename-file in cmucl, that is. 16:37:26 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 16:38:03 *Xach* suppses he needs to use ext:unix-namestring with unix:unix-rename 16:39:38 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:41:59 Xach: I think unix:unix-rename is the only thing currently available. 16:43:30 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44:05 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello212186106204.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:45:30 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.120.113.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:46:29 phaer [~phaer@chello080108090109.9.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:47:18 Xach: What are the restrictions on rename-file? 16:47:44 rtoym: the target has to have a pathname-name 16:48:01 rtoym: e.g. (rename-file "/tmp/from/" "/tmp/to/") doesn't work, but (rename-file "/tmp/from/" "/tmp/to") does 16:49:40 -!- navigator [~navigator@p5489719C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 16:51:05 navigator [~navigator@p5489719C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:15 It seems to work with cmucl. But I guess it might not with other Lisps. 16:51:28 tfb [~tfb@92.40.104.187.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:52:41 rtoym: (rename-file "/tmp/from/" "/tmp/to/") works with cmucl? 16:52:56 I just tried it. 16:53:03 Bronsa [~bronsa@host223-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:53:29 File-error in function RENAME-FILE: #P"/tmp/to/" can't be created. 16:53:35 that's what i get with cmucl 20a 16:54:11 amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 16:56:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-4-135.vodafone.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:53 Hmm. Let me try again. 16:58:15 Interesting. I was using the 20b branch to do this. I wonder what changed? 16:58:31 clearly rename-file did :) 17:00:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host223-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:01:00 Bronsa [~bronsa@host223-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:01:40 Oh, I typed it in wrong. I used "/tmp/to". 17:01:46 hah. 17:02:06 subconsciously compensating for cmucl's tricks and traps 17:02:44 Well, I almost never use such things from Lisp, so it wasn't subconscious. Just stupid. :-) 17:02:49 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:03:09 I wonder why though. It fails because unix-namestring returns NIL. 17:03:20 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host223-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 17:03:46 unix-namestring needs :input nil there! 17:03:57 or maybe not 17:04:23 Bronsa [~bronsa@host223-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:04:58 dang it! unix-namestring doesn't do at all what i expect for directories. 17:05:50 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:05:53 I agree. 17:06:32 Maybe. Need to look at this some more. 17:07:15 seems like no argument to (unix-namestring "/tmp/does-not-exist/" ...) will make it return "/tmp/does-not-exist/", which is the value i need. 17:07:21 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-134-201.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: bye bye] 17:08:14 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.104.187.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 17:12:21 Yeah, unix-namestring seems to expect all directories to exist and fails because /tmp/to/ doesn't exist. 17:13:09 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-25-54.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:13:21 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-25-54.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:15:05 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:14 -!- Toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-109-7.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: REALITY IS TEARING ITSELF ASUNDER, BUT I MUST RACE] 17:17:02 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:18:26 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:19:59 -!- spaceface [~spaceface@c-76-105-169-123.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:20:48 spaceface [~spaceface@c-76-105-169-123.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:41 fusss [~chatzilla@li63-187.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:21:44 prima [~user@95.158.0.250] has joined #lisp 17:21:47 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:21:59 -!- prima is now known as prima_lux 17:22:26 lichtblau: herep 17:22:41 Xach: Not sure what to do with this. 17:23:23 rtoym: is there a windows cmucl? 17:23:38 Sort of. 17:23:39 in public use? 17:24:21 Not really. I've been meaning to ask Carl if I could have the sources. I used it once and it seemed to work, but had some issues with mkdir (ensure-directories-exist). 17:24:33 At least no public use that I know of. 17:24:39 rtoym: I might punt and use namestring instead of unix-namestring. 17:25:02 lichtblau: plexibbus-xpath can't seem to evaluate anything more than arithmetic expression. it says "The value NIL is not of type VECTOR." when I (xpath:evaluate "//body" (cxml:parse (clean-html (load-file "foo.html")) (stp:make-builder))) :-( 17:25:32 Xach: Yes, I think namestring is what you want. I think rename-file should use namestring instead of unix-namestring for the new-name. Maybe. 17:25:56 rtoym: i'll just cross my fingers and hope nobody has cmucl pathname wildcards in their home directory path :) 17:26:48 You mean wildcards in the home: search-list? 17:29:32 lichtblau: all evaluations return NODE-SET empty 17:29:34 rtoym: No, I mean #\* or #\? or #\[ etc in the filesystem structure, which have namestrings with \ prefixing the wildcards, but which don't have those in real life. 17:31:01 Xach: It's the Bobby Tables situation:) 17:31:46 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:02 rtoym: in general, any situation for which unix-namestring (a fully working-like-i-expect one) and namestring might differ. that was the first example that came to mind. 17:35:02 gonzojive [~red@128.12.169.254] has joined #lisp 17:36:26 fusss: try updating cxml-stp from git, please. This sounds like a "recently" fixed error to me. 17:36:43 lichtblau: yessir! 17:37:25 hi lichtblau! 17:38:58 lichtblau: fare suggested a fix for closure-html that should make it work even before he fixes asdf2. 17:39:11 Xach: I'll look into unix-namestring. I don't think it should fail for /tmp/to/. This will be hard to test for, though. 17:43:27 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@li63-187.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:40 zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.45] has joined #lisp 17:44:58 -!- heiz [~heiz@ppp91-122-0-5.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 17:47:28 Xach: why haven't my minions applied it yet? 17:47:45 lichtblau: Those rascally minions. 17:48:57 https://bugs.launchpad.net/asdf/+bug/620421 has some info 17:49:49 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:52:38 -!- akimbo [~user@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:10 fusss [~chatzilla@li63-187.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:53:48 lichtblau: cxml-stp from git, and plexibus-xpath from darcs. built on both win32 and linux, still empty nodesets 17:55:04 I don't understand. Are getting the error "The value NIL is not of type VECTOR" (which my suggestion should solve), or are getting empty node sets? 17:56:45 Colb-Seton [~Colb-Seto@AClermont-Ferrand-156-1-37-77.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:56:58 is there a common lisp platform which runs on OpenBSD and supports threads ? 17:57:04 plop 17:57:06 apparently sbcl doesn't 17:57:14 ccl doesn't list openbsd as a supported platform 17:57:22 fusss: Or can you paste a complete example? What does clean-html return? 17:58:08 galdor: ECL maybe? Or you could fix SBCL to work on openbsd with threading. 17:58:18 (If it returns actual XHTML (not a naive html-to-xml conversion without namespaces), then indeed //body won't work unless you declare the default namespace to be the XHTML namespace.) 17:59:48 foom: I'll have a look at ecl; for threading, I don't know how sbcl does it, but openbsd as a libpthread 18:00:01 it doesn't support kernel threads though, that could be a problem 18:01:12 lichtblau: http://paste.lisp.org/+2FPO 18:01:39 clean-html is the example i found in closure-html 18:05:22 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:45 Hello all. 18:05:54 hi nyef 18:06:07 fusss: okay, then you need with-namespaces. http://common-lisp.net/project/plexippus-xpath/examples.html#id54052 18:06:10 vtz [~user@router2-border.mreja.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:30 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:30 (xpath:with-namespaces (("xhtml" "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml")) 18:09:31 (xpath:evaluate "//h3" *doc*)) 18:09:32 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:09:33 like that? 18:09:52 (xpath:evaluate "//xhtml:h3" *doc*) 18:10:05 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 18:11:15 hmmm .. 18:12:16 or: (xpath:with-namespaces (("" "http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml")) (xpath:evaluate "//h3" *doc*)) 18:12:34 -!- gonzojive [~red@128.12.169.254] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 18:13:43 yeah .. something is amiss lichtblau 18:17:33 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.70.212] has joined #lisp 18:20:11 oh yeah. you're parsing HTML into memory. Then you're serializing into HTML again (not XHTML!). Then you're parsing that non-XML using cxml, which only happens to works by accident. 18:20:24 (As a result, there is no namespace, but XML is case-sensitive, so it would have to be DIV, not div.) 18:21:24 The right solution to parse the html right away into STP using (chtml:parse string (stp:make-builder)), or if the clean-html is actually needed as-is, then parse it again using chtml, not using cxml. 18:21:30 galdor: clisp got recently threads. It might or might not work satisfactorily. Just try it! 18:23:07 http://paste.lisp.org/+2FPO/1 18:23:46 gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 18:23:57 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 18:24:05 SBCL doesn't use pathname-device for anything, does it? 18:24:09 -!- spaceface [~spaceface@c-76-105-169-123.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:24:14 pjb: ok, I'll try clisp and ecl 18:24:14 Or does it do so on Win32? I forget... 18:24:22 spaceface [~spaceface@c-76-105-169-123.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:34 I'll also have a look to sbcl, since it has threads on freebsd 18:24:48 if freebsd and openbsd aren't too different, perhaps I can code something :) 18:25:30 It seems like it's the perfect place to stash a function to be used to open a file, as a way to substitute an arbitrary gray stream class instead of an fd-stream. 18:27:08 -!- Colb-Seton [~Colb-Seto@AClermont-Ferrand-156-1-37-77.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 18:27:11 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@84.93.175.16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:57 The problem, of course, comes with the thought of using CLOS while the compiler is running. 18:28:55 Xach: Was it you who was looking for a way to embed a read-only filesystem within an SBCL executable a while back? 18:28:56 timor [~timor@port-92-195-51-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:28:56 -!- kuwabara [~kuwabara@cerbere.qosmos.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:29:00 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-51-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:57 nyef: yes. 18:30:11 I think I finally have an angle on it. 18:30:35 nyef: or some other alternative filesystem mechanism (for hooking DIRECTORY, etc) 18:30:49 e.g. an iso9660 image 18:31:59 Alternately, there was something I saw in passing a while back involving an iso9660 image with an ELF startup program in the boot-program area that used FUSE to mount the image and execute some program on it. 18:36:27 cd 18:37:36 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:37:41 pavellud` [~user@87.246.30.76] has joined #lisp 18:37:49 -!- pavellud` [~user@87.246.30.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:51 -!- gz` [gz@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 18:38:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-115.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:40:36 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@213.162.68.45] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:42:43 -!- spaceface [~spaceface@c-76-105-169-123.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:42:48 spaceface [~spaceface@c-76-105-169-123.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:34 -!- phaer [~phaer@chello080108090109.9.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:50 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-25-54.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:47:55 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:04 -!- navigator [~navigator@p5489719C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 18:48:31 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-25-54.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:49:20 gonzojive [~red@2002:800c:a95a:4:fa1e:dfff:fee3:34e8] has joined #lisp 18:49:37 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:32 marioxcc [~user@200.92.172.158] has joined #lisp 18:56:34 hi 18:56:45 what's the customary comment style for CL? 18:57:28 jdz [~jdz@host232-107-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:57:42 clhs 2.4.4.2 18:57:43 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_ddb.htm 18:57:46 marioxcc: 18:58:08 thanks you :) 19:00:34 clhs indentation 19:00:34 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for indentation. 19:01:21 Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:01:32 well, after testing both, neither ecl nor clisp are built with threading on openbsd 19:01:40 that's a pity :( 19:02:09 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:03:28 abcl has come a long, LONG way 19:03:58 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:58 clhs semicolon 19:03:58 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for semicolon. 19:04:54 galdor: ECL should compile with threading (but possibly with some optimizations disabled) as long as you supply a working posix threads library 19:05:28 Does SBCL not do threading on obsd? 19:05:33 p_l: I read the following: "The OpenBSD port does not support multithreaded builds because the 19:05:34 latest stable version that runs on it does not contain all the required functionality. " 19:05:39 nyef: I think not. 19:05:42 nyef: nope 19:05:46 Ah. Fair enough. 19:06:03 galdor: sounds like the last stable ECL for OpenBSD is an *ooold* one 19:06:06 Shouldn't be too hard to add, though, provided that obsd plays well. 19:06:21 nyef: somehow I doubt OpenBSD will play nicely :p 19:06:26 problem is, openbsd doesn't support kernel threads, so even if the lisp compiler supports threads, at the end it's kind of a show stopper for large applications which want to use several cores 19:06:30 Unless you've got some CPU that SBCL doesn't thread on? 19:06:32 openbsd devs don't like threads 19:06:38 nope it's a simple x86 19:06:53 cinch [~cinch@unaffiliated/cinch] has joined #lisp 19:07:02 Heh. If it's an openbsd problem, it's an openbsd problem. Get a real OS instead. 19:07:22 I'm thinking about trying freebsd on my laptop, instead of openbsd 19:07:49 wubo` [~user@c-68-55-91-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:04 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-132.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:08:17 but even without kernel threads, it's perfectly valid to have multithreading on a single core, for light applications 19:08:38 galdor: till one of the threads gets stuck in a blocking syscall :> 19:09:05 indeed 19:09:20 and somehow I doubt ECL was built with care for green-thread pthreads implementations 19:09:44 I suppose using fork() on sbcl isn't a good idea 19:09:59 postgresql scales great on openbsd because it uses processes 19:10:08 Heh. Using fork() on threaded SBCL has some... interesting problems. 19:10:22 I mean without in non-threaded sbcl of course 19:10:39 galdor: you can recreate kernel threads somehow using crazy applications of shared memory and fork() 19:10:40 s/without in/in a/ 19:11:13 nyef: but if it is running only one thread, it works? 19:13:15 https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/451111 highlights some of the problems with fork on threaded sbcl. 19:13:33 hm, I wonder if enough sbcl development activity has happened this month... 19:13:42 (Yes, it basically works when only one thread is active.) 19:14:40 -!- benny [~user@i577A21CC.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:15:18 Only seven or eight entries in NEWS, and 53 commits? 19:15:35 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:16:20 A handful of bugfixes, some build-system changes, an optimization, and threading support for a platform that few people care about anymore? 19:17:00 we have a couple of PPCs dotted around the lab 19:17:29 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:17:39 also some playstation 2s, so threads port to mips pls k thx :-) 19:18:03 Meh. Couldn't build SBCL on my PS2. 19:18:05 buncito [~user@114.79.55.161] has joined #lisp 19:18:14 (And, yes, I did try.) 19:20:06 bah 19:21:01 John2496 [~john2496@rrcs-72-43-164-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:21:16 anyone learning lisp for fun? 19:21:28 If your PS2s run linux 2.6, though, and you can help me get mine running something newer than 2.4, then I'd be willing to try again. 19:21:29 John2496: yes 19:21:30 John2496: with tears in my eyes 19:21:38 *fusss* just discovered ABCL ^_^ 19:21:52 The last time I looked into threaded SBCL on OpenBSD, the threading library didn't fake SA_SIGINFO signal handler calls well enough. 19:21:53 ha cool, just feelin' out the community 19:22:22 joshe: Did you ever get the FP trap stuff working properly? 19:22:47 Namely, it only passed the handler a struct sigcontext if it had a real one, if it was dispatching a queued signal it would just pass NULL. 19:22:52 nyef: sadly I think the ps2s are intended for our Games development course rather than for hacking :-/ 19:22:55 nyef: on PPC? 19:23:02 joshe: Yeah, on PPC. 19:23:10 I haven't looked into it in a while. 19:23:15 anyway I may try freebsd, I just hope threads work ok on it :) 19:23:20 this new IBM Power7 stuff is dead sexy. 19:23:26 ISTR the kernel not having anything for accepting an FP exception, let alone dispatching it to user-space? 19:24:04 Saving and restoring FPU state lazily on an SMP kernel is complicated :/ 19:25:02 Yea, the kernel just plain disables FP exceptions. Whoever did the PPC port just never got around to implementing them I guess. 19:25:22 I did figure out how to try and make SBCL work under a system without FP traps. You basically copy the x86oid float-wait stuff, but instead of having the VOP run a single instruction it checks pending exceptions vs. enabled exceptions. 19:26:43 Huh. So you just check that every time you execute an FP instruction? 19:29:23 Not quite. SBCL doesn't need to be that precise about it. 19:29:30 without a multithread lisp, is there a way I can write, I don't know, an IRC bot, in emacs/slime, since running it will block the repl ? 19:29:59 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host223-189-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:30:17 galdor: Yes, but it's a bit nasty. You use SERVE-EVENT in SBCL, or some other event dispatcher, provided that it is tied into SWANK properly. 19:31:08 yep, I thought about iolib, but I didn't know how it would play with slime/swank 19:31:41 Should be fairly simple to find out, really: Look for swank stuff in iolib or iolib stuff in swank. 19:32:20 grep says no 19:32:51 in swank-ecl there seems to be some stuff for serve-event 19:33:26 serve-event is in cmucl and sbcl, look for the fd-handler communication-style. 19:33:29 :fd-handler uses serve-event 19:34:30 I'll look about it this weekend, depends about whether I install freebsd on my laptop or not 19:36:49 benny [~user@i577A7595.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:27 fatblued1ck [~chris@99-188-214-127.lightspeed.grgvca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:06 -!- fatblued1ck [~chris@99-188-214-127.lightspeed.grgvca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:43 -!- fatblueduck [~chris@rrcs-67-52-188-98.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:42:02 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@84.38.9.103] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:42:27 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 19:43:17 aliudalius [~user@li121-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:43:39 has anyone any experience with lisp flavored erlang? 19:43:58 -!- buncito [~user@114.79.55.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:16 fatblueduck [~chris@rrcs-67-52-188-98.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:45:49 aliudalius: lisp flavored java! abcl is where it's at 19:48:16 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 19:48:35 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 19:50:28 bgs101 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:50:55 fusss: herm. well I was just curious about its macros - specifically, how cl like they are 19:51:11 cl-like* 19:52:50 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:36 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:56:02 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-1-187.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 19:57:44 kencausey [~ken@67.15.6.88] has joined #lisp 19:57:51 Is Brian Mastenbrook here? 19:58:20 kencausey: More likely to be active elsewhere, like #scheme. 19:58:26 thanks 19:58:26 nick is "chandler" 19:58:30 aha 19:58:35 so my memory wasn't wrong, just confused 19:58:49 No, he used to be here. 20:00:17 is on the network but in no channel at the moment 20:00:24 I've queried him, thanks again 20:00:36 -!- TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@65.196.40.254] has quit [Quit: TheEnd2012] 20:00:44 as you were ;) 20:00:48 -!- kencausey [~ken@67.15.6.88] has left #lisp 20:03:53 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:04:34 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 20:04:46 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 20:04:55 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@35.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20:06:11 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-7-214.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:09:27 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-18-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:19:20 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-1-187.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:20:04 -!- John2496 [~john2496@rrcs-72-43-164-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:20:41 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:02 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:21:25 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 20:24:44 John2496 [~john2496@rrcs-72-43-164-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:25:24 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181209007.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:00 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:05 do any SBCL hackers have anything more than a dream of a hotspot-style JIT? any idea what would need to go into a project to add that? 20:36:46 You're talking about basically producing an entirely new compiler, and quite a bit of runtime to go with it. 20:40:15 -!- varjag [~eugene@84.118.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:40:47 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 20:43:44 gonzojive: besides, if I understand correctly SBCL already compiles everything to native code anyway...JIT typically implies that an intermediate compile to some form of (non-native) bytecode has occurred...so what would be the point of JIT, since everything that runs is already native? 20:44:08 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-34-240.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:29 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:44:36 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 20:45:09 hargettp: to optimize code paths that are encountered frequently in practice 20:45:38 hargettp: You can get better optimization by compiling at runtime for data actually encountered. 20:47:08 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-152-69.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:49:35 dacoda [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 20:49:57 peterhil1 [~peterhil@a91-152-143-87.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 20:49:58 ah :) 20:50:17 -!- peterhil1 [~peterhil@a91-152-143-87.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #lisp 20:51:31 -!- dacoda [~user@gate.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:53 -!- Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-227-152.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:52:40 nyef: what do you mean entirely new compiler? what's incompatible with SBCL's current compiler? so many man-years into SBCL and a hotspot compiler is not feasible? 20:53:25 Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-227-152.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:55:30 zomgbie [~jesus@212095007032.public.telering.at] has joined #lisp 20:55:32 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@erft-d932ec4b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 20:55:55 I am making a Lispie corner (yes I mean the alien) at my house, and since this sunday, every sunday I am going to praise the allmigthy defmacro and pray to him, for a kind spirit which will attend ILC this year and will come back with something more than 10 paragraph blog post. and yes! I mean some video coverege for the rest of us! gah.. 20:55:57 gonzojive: feel free to fork it yourself 20:56:59 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57:15 gonzojive: An optimizing JIT has massively different operational requirements from a static compiler such as Python. It thus follows that a massive reengineering effort would be required to retrofit such abilities into the existing compiler or a new compiler would need to be written from scratch. 20:59:45 Toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-109-7.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:59:50 -!- John2496 [~john2496@rrcs-72-43-164-66.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping with SpadXIII] 20:59:56 I implemented a call-site method dispatch cache once 21:00:25 things like that don't need huge compiler support 21:00:41 dlowe: i'm not criticizing i'm just asking the experts 21:02:16 gonzojive: closest would be implementing a complete new optimization for Python that would use profiling data, however it means no nice "over time" characteristic of HotSpot 21:03:43 Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:03:52 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@84.93.175.16] has joined #lisp 21:05:53 -!- sellout [~greg@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 21:06:41 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.30.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:07:14 MagBo [~Sweater@87.246.131.149] has joined #lisp 21:10:59 -!- aliudalius [~user@li121-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:23 -!- mega1 [~quassel@pool-05413.externet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:16:55 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-334.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:19:20 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:35 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 21:21:25 -!- Raynes [~macr0@unaffiliated/raynes] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:22:45 -!- prima_lux [~user@95.158.0.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:11 argiopeweb [~elliot@155.31.174.208] has joined #lisp 21:27:02 serichsen [~user@g228128048.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:27:07 Good evening! 21:27:27 Hello serichsen. 21:28:04 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 21:28:41 make 21:28:42 oops 21:28:56 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-43-82-249-154-60.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:28:57 PuffTheMagic: No rule to make target 'default'. 21:30:00 -!- MagBo [~Sweater@87.246.131.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:28 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-49-113.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:10 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 21:40:27 abugosh [~Adium@pool-74-103-38-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:46 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-25-82-254-165-76.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:27 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:50:36 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:09 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:25 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:56:36 wakeup [~wakeup@koln-5d818eda.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:41 hiho 21:56:58 Off to work? 21:57:03 anyone got an idea on how to get the modify-time of a file in ecl? (linux) 21:57:08 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has left #lisp 21:57:19 clhs file-write-date 21:57:19 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_file_w.htm 21:57:28 -!- konr [~user@201.82.129.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:57:54 Blkt [~user@93-33-129-111.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 21:57:55 Sounds about right. 21:58:11 wow 21:58:15 easy^^ 22:02:01 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:43 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:06:22 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-104-53.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:24 kuwabara [~kuwabara@cerbere.qosmos.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:49 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:12 -!- argiopeweb [~elliot@155.31.174.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:08:35 -!- jdz [~jdz@host232-107-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:09:29 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:10:22 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-30-208.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:15:51 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-74-103-38-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:59 Xach: Is the rename-file stuff for quicklisp? 22:16:42 rtoym: yeah. 22:16:59 rtoym: want a way to upgrade the software by moving the old out of the way and moving the new in its place. 22:17:39 Ok. 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