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I'd like to use it with strings, but it doesn't seem to work (so I assume it's using EQL). I thought about using FLET to temporarily change EQL to use EQUAL, but that brings up a package lock error. 01:19:16 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-111-84.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:04 no 01:21:13 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:13 Oh... thanks stassats` 01:22:57 So when compiling with COMPILE-FILE the value of *PACKAGE* at macro-expand time is guaranteed to be the same as the value when the file was read, right? 01:23:34 sixpoint8 [~jaykub@ip68-12-204-131.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:35 mnealey [~mnealey@cpe-76-185-49-35.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:24:04 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 01:24:48 -!- mnealey [~mnealey@cpe-76-185-49-35.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: mnealey] 01:26:10 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26:13 bgs100: you can use cond, or a macro using cond though 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'morning 04:18:03 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 04:43:11 -!- qbomb [~quent@208.86.11.180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:43:28 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:44:57 -!- lnostdal [~quassel@123.80-203-140.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 04:46:11 lnostdal [~quassel@123.80-203-140.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 04:51:03 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:52:03 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kukyyqxaycmbuljh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:58:04 is there a cross-platform way to temporarily disable GC/interrupts? 04:58:54 For sbcl? I believe so. 05:03:25 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kajdjlzagofspcva] has joined #lisp 05:04:55 <_3b> probably better to ask for a way to do whatever the end goal is rather than something specific like that 05:14:28 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-116-43.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:15:30 -!- redline6561 [~redline@user-24-214-18-208.knology.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:22:24 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-237-59.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:22:34 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoy@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:22:43 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-237-59.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:28:16 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:34:18 dialtone [~dialtone@c-67-180-50-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:18 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@c-67-180-50-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:34:18 dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has joined #lisp 05:38:53 oh, nice, I have a working reader 05:39:08 Congratulations! 05:39:22 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:40:51 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has quit [Quit: Test time. 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host closed the connection] 07:26:56 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:27:38 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:29:08 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-88-14.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:31:12 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@26.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:40:14 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 07:40:40 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 07:45:41 What's the best way to define a different top-level function depending on the value of a special variable. I considered (if (...) (defun ....) (defun ...)) but I can't remember of such occurrences of defun would be considered top-level. I also considered a combination of #+ and #. where the #. would generate either #+(or) or #+(and) according to the value of the special variable, but I am not sure that's legal. 07:46:10 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46:10 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:46:11 jmbr [~jmbr@26.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 07:47:27 xan_ [~xan@59-124-113-6.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:59 I guess I know the answer to my first "question". That would *not* be top-level. But then, is that a problem? 07:53:02 hmm... perhaps specials set within eval-when, along with #+? 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That it! 09:20:29 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1D8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:21:30 aidalgol [~user@118.148.162.3] has joined #lisp 09:24:38 -!- Avisch [~Avisch@70-101-99-64.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:26:41 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:28:22 *coyo* sighs 09:33:40 Dodek [~xyzzyz@87-205-243-105.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 09:42:22 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-88-14.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:34 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45:55 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 09:46:16 I would like to discuss the pitfalls of bootstrapping a system on a different one, because I am having a hard time thinking this through. What are some problematic situations that must be avoided, in terms of contamination of the target system by some features of the host system? 09:47:02 Well, in CL the main problems come from not simulating the package system. 09:47:20 Sure. 09:47:33 Is it always safe to use constants such as 1d0 in source code? 09:47:45 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:47:56 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 09:48:01 If they mean the same thing ... 09:48:16 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:52 *_3b* would expect 1d0 to be safe, but wouldn't be hard to find other values that would be a problem 09:49:03 I mean, is there a risk that code like that will be read by a reader running in the host system, and then that code will be generated for the target system. If so, that constant might be wrong. 09:49:29 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:49:35 beach: this problem exists in sbcl 09:49:59 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 09:50:01 in sbcl's case we can (almost) work around this problem by doing clever things with make-load-form 09:50:18 which works fine as long as you don't need to do arithmetic with your unportable floats 09:50:37 Yeah, I was going to say, "do as much as possible at loadtime!". 09:50:41 beach: I think I discuss this problem a little bit in my S3 paper of a couple of years back (about clean bootstrapping CL) 09:51:12 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 09:51:20 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.56.37] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51:38 Krystof: Do you have an easily-accessible link to that paper? 09:52:46 Hmm 09:53:15 -!- Waif_ is now known as Waif 09:55:34 -!- aidalgol [~user@118.148.162.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:55:38 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:56:33 -!- ineiros is now known as ineiros_ 09:57:29 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 09:58:13 beach: somewhere on http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01cr/papers/ 09:58:19 grep for "boot", probably 09:59:17 http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01cr/papers/s32008/sbcl.pdf ? 09:59:33 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:46 _3b: When I am thinking about it, I come to the exact opposite conclusion. I can imagine that the compiler that is going to compile the code is the compiler for the target system, running in the host system, whereas it is the host system reader that read the file. Thus, the constants such as 1d0 in the code may be those of the host system. On the other hand, I can't find an example where (say) the use of special variables might ca 10:06:46 a problem, because those are going to be accessed at loadtime or execution time (unless you use #. of course). 10:07:26 luis` [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has joined #lisp 10:07:54 -!- luis` is now known as luis 10:08:57 _3b: Or am I mistaken? 10:09:52 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-88-14.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 10:10:03 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:43 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #lisp 10:10:48 <_3b``> beach: i mean more that 1d0 specifically is unlikely to be a problem, but for example things that require more precision or range might not work on both 10:11:41 OK 10:13:01 -!- zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:56 -!- coyo [~unf@2001:0:53aa:64c:c09:3d10:b85b:1552] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:43 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 10:15:47 also, arithmetic done on the host does not necessarily match arithmetic done on the target 10:16:05 ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 10:16:14 as a simple example, consider bootstrapping a target lisp with separate single- and double-floats on a host lisp with only one float type 10:16:21 Definitely. That's how I started thinking about it, because I am currently looking into floating-point readers. 10:16:51 for what it's worth, I came to the conclusion that the only way to be strictly portable is to write a complete software implementation of the target's floating point 10:17:23 hhmm. this has implications for quad-float support on sbcl. 10:18:02 Really? What are some situations where you need to have target floating-point arithmetic done by the host system? 10:18:32 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@84.93.175.16] has joined #lisp 10:18:33 *_3b``* could see type inference being a hassle if they don't match 10:18:40 type inference is one example 10:18:58 Krystof: Sure, OK. 10:19:07 aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 10:19:17 definition and possible use of floating point constants (e.g most-positive-quuxle float as a constant inside some other piece of code) 10:20:11 <_3b``> i guess constant folding also 10:20:57 yes 10:20:58 Oh, and things like upgraded element type would be a problem as well. 10:24:32 atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has joined #lisp 10:25:33 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc2-dals3-0-0-cust1263.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:26:27 Bronsa [~bronsa@host73-173-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:40:58 nha_ [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 10:41:26 -!- nha_ is now known as nha 10:41:48 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has joined #lisp 10:43:03 tvaalen [~r@unaffiliated/tvaal] has joined #lisp 10:49:51 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:49 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-9-8.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:55:19 beach: care to hand me the url to your calendar app again? I'd like to look at some of the text output stuff 10:56:40 -!- christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:57:23 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 11:00:06 -!- gonzojive [~red@condi.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:00:14 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:00:25 -!- m4thrick_ [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:02:59 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 11:04:10 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host73-173-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:04:30 Bronsa [~bronsa@host73-173-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:07:26 *Xach* wonders why James Anderson invents his own names for existing asdf systems 11:07:37 "com.github.ironclad" is not the right name :( 11:11:27 m4thrick_ [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:13:13 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 11:18:37 -!- ldunn [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:16 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-93-88-14.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:46 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 11:29:51 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:35:48 Hm, any handy way to turn a string (that is, an array) into the same sans the last character? 11:37:18 (subseq "string" 0 (- (length "string") 1)) 11:38:29 aha, thanks! 11:38:52 any good page or place that lists the available operations for arrays? 11:39:01 so I don't need to ask more silly questions like this in the future 11:39:24 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 11:40:44 OliverUv: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/c_arrays.htm and http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Body/c_sequen.htm 11:41:01 Someone might know the minion invocation for those. 11:41:48 thanks 11:42:04 OliverUv: The permuted symbol index is a personal favourite :-) http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw50/CLHS/Front/X_Symbol.htm 11:42:29 aerique: You can use the section number as a message to specbot. 11:42:56 beach: ah, thanks! 11:43:17 ah that is really useful aerique, big thanks! 11:43:21 But specbot doesn't seem to be here right now :( 11:43:46 Nor is minion :( 11:47:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@59-124-113-6.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:49:13 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 11:51:44 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52:03 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:53:49 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:55:34 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:56:59 mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has joined #lisp 11:58:57 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:59:40 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 12:00:51 -!- DocOnDev [~doc@cpe-76-188-187-241.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:03 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.115.102.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:27 http://l1sp.org/cl/11.1.2.1.2 and similar work, in a pinch 12:05:36 i find myself using that on computers that i haven't configured for my quick searches 12:06:00 -!- steven_t [~steven@173-203-96-31.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:06:00 steven_t [~steven@unaffiliated/steven] has joined #lisp 12:06:00 lispdoc.org is working really well for me most of the time 12:06:54 The Planet Lisp twitter feed has been revved up again? 12:07:22 eek 12:10:35 xan_ [~xan@60-250-133-142.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:28 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-182-84.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:12:31 pavelludiq [~user@87.246.30.76] has joined #lisp 12:13:39 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-183-210.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:14:53 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:15:23 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:16:39 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-yiqinlkqqeiqktvm] has left #lisp 12:17:19 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722150226]] 12:17:30 Goodnight. 12:17:59 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.30.76] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:18:09 pavelludiq [~user@87.246.30.76] has joined #lisp 12:20:34 udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-azcgarfiavrskfnu] has joined #lisp 12:20:35 -!- cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:23:10 zomgbie [~jesus@212095007107.public.telering.at] has joined #lisp 12:25:48 beach: ping 12:26:53 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:28:59 DocOnDev [~doc@26.sub-75-218-116.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:08 Blkt [~user@93-33-132-104.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:31:38 good day everyone 12:31:43 we fe[nl]ix 12:31:50 hi Blkt 12:33:00 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:33:03 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has joined #lisp 12:33:27 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33:37 -!- housel [~user@217.115.14.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:35:41 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #lisp 12:38:48 -!- m4thrick_ [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:39:08 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:40:08 smik [~siddhant3@180.215.2.159] has joined #lisp 12:40:30 How to convert integer to their number names ? 12->twelve. There was a build in function 12:40:50 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:58 smik: (format nil "~R" 12) 12:42:08 clhs 22.3.2.1 12:42:09 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_cba.htm 12:44:10 udzinari: I'm here! 12:44:59 I *win*! See http://paste.lisp.org/+2FNM for my progress on reading floating-point numbers! 12:45:50 tfb [~tfb@92.41.115.102.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:45:59 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:55 beach: nice! 12:47:05 OliverUv: Thanks! 12:47:08 shaving off almost 50% 12:47:11 that is impressive 12:47:27 user1 [~user1@89.204.153.137] has joined #lisp 12:47:28 also not using as much CPU 12:47:34 OliverUv: Closer to 35, but yeah, still. 12:47:40 -!- user1 [~user1@89.204.153.137] has left #lisp 12:48:29 cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has joined #lisp 12:48:38 in other news, I've finally conquered laying out text in CLIM 12:50:46 Excellent! 12:50:50 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@212095007107.public.telering.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:13 http://imgur.com/tisDA.png 12:51:16 looks like this 12:52:20 Not bad! You might want to use mcclim-truetype for better fonts. 12:52:41 Can't use McClim specific things 12:52:50 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:52:53 As I'm later going to run this on Allegro 12:53:13 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:53:36 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:54:32 Oh, right, now I remember. 12:54:41 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 12:54:49 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 12:55:15 -!- tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has left #lisp 12:55:21 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:58:23 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has joined #lisp 12:58:31 m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:58:48 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:59:10 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59:29 xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has joined #lisp 13:03:14 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:03:20 fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:32 In all fairness, I only implemented the special case of the decimal-to-float conversion so far, but since that case is said to be applicable 99% of the time, it is looking good so far. 13:12:25 -!- xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:14:18 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0102f1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:35 hi 13:14:40 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:14:44 hello prxq 13:16:36 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host73-173-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:16:41 hi beach! 13:17:03 beach: in that image i posted above, there are actually 31 squares being printed. Only 25 are shown and even though I am drawing well below the visible area, the scrollbars don't do anything.. know what could be the problem with that? 13:17:25 MagBo [~Sweater@195.114.56.71] has joined #lisp 13:18:13 Perhaps whatever calculates the scrolling disregards everything inside of tables 13:18:21 OliverUv: It is probably due to the place where you put :scrollbars t or equivalent. 13:18:42 ah, yeah that would make sense 13:18:54 OliverUv: No, that should work, as long as the table is in an application pane that is scrolling. 13:19:30 ok 13:19:36 it is in an application pane that is scrolling :/ 13:20:03 OliverUv: Did you say that in the :panes section or in the :layout section? 13:20:14 :panes 13:20:19 Try the other one. 13:20:30 will do 13:23:45 navigator [~navigator@p54897A22.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:57 Hm, can't seem to get the syntax right 13:28:25 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:29:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.205.196] has joined #lisp 13:30:26 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has joined #lisp 13:31:39 (scrolling (:width .. :height .. :max-width .. :max-height ..) pane) 13:31:54 http://paste.lisp.org/display/113605 13:32:02 that is what I am doing 13:33:08 it should also be noted that (scrolling () (+fill+ month)) doesn't work 13:33:12 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@74-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:33:18 hm, gonna try (+fill+ (scrolling () month)) 13:35:00 -!- smik [~siddhant3@180.215.2.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:35:06 smik [~siddhant3@180.215.1.110] has joined #lisp 13:35:28 it works! 13:35:35 Great! 13:35:47 but I regained the old problem of the window now being a set, non-changeable height 13:35:48 ehu [~ehuels@77.86.30.139] has joined #lisp 13:36:03 should be able to get rid of that by putting some height and width keys in the scrolling option list 13:36:12 -!- ehu [~ehuels@77.86.30.139] has left #lisp 13:36:44 although one thing is a bit weird, the vertical scrollbar acts as if there is maybe... 4 million pixels in height to show 13:36:59 Yeah, the space-allocation protocol is a bit obscure. You might not want to spend too much time on that, because it is likely not to work the same on Franz CLIM. 13:37:01 so dragging the scroller is totally useless 13:37:10 yeah 13:37:15 ok, big thanks for the help! 13:37:19 Sure. 13:37:47 anyone here uses tkpapp's lla? 13:38:54 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-172-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:38:55 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-172-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:42:00 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:49:32 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@121.243.225.226] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:51:27 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:59 housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 13:56:36 prxq: are you looking to do linear algebra? 13:57:01 LiamH: right 13:57:30 silenius [~silenus@p549466D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:32 I've been using matlisp, but I'm wondering if there is something more convenient 13:58:04 of course, I'd recommend GSLL... 13:58:07 some form of subarray would be a plus, and native CL arrays too 13:58:08 prxq: try gsll 13:59:12 *prxq* does 13:59:33 prxq: subarrays are in grid (which GSLL depends on), and native arrays are accessible if you have a static-vector capable implementation 13:59:49 -!- DocOnDev [~doc@26.sub-75-218-116.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:59:54 LiamH: like sbcl? 14:00:29 prxq: yes, SBCL, CCL, ECL and ?? (help me out here fe[nl]ix) 14:01:37 ah, good. 14:02:20 what is the recomended way of downloading a bunch of packages with dependencies these days? ISTR that asdf-install was falling out of favor 14:02:31 quicklisp! 14:03:18 shh 14:03:20 *LiamH* looks at Xach 14:03:28 (it's not ready for Mario S.) 14:05:22 har har. Then I'll wait a little longer before breaking it... 14:05:24 prxq: clbuild is decent for those not using gentoo 14:07:01 LiamH: also Allegro, LW and cmucl 14:07:28 latest cmucl devel snapshots, that is 14:07:30 fe[nl]ix: ah, the list has grown, I don't think cmucl was on there when I last looked 14:07:51 rtoym added static vectors not long ago 14:07:58 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-183-210.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:08:34 prxq: if you try clbuild with GSLL, this patch might be helpful: http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/gsll-devel/2010q3/000558.html 14:09:05 fe[nl]ix: does iolib work on macos? 14:09:39 yes 14:09:54 k good 14:10:27 tcr [~tcr@81-233-246-97-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 14:10:38 fe[nl]ix: thats one of the easiest libs i've used to do threads/locks in any lang 14:10:40 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:37 eh ? 14:11:49 milanj [~milanj_@93.86.189.94] has joined #lisp 14:12:21 its written well is all im saying i guess 14:12:30 revel0___ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 14:12:54 davazp [~user@83.54.164.142] has joined #lisp 14:13:23 oh i see why you are confused ;) 14:13:30 s/thread/io 14:13:57 ah, ok :D 14:14:19 i havent had any coffee yet this am 14:15:56 LiamH: how would I apply that .bin appearing in the mail? 14:16:41 it is a patch format unknown to me 14:17:51 prxq: I'm not sure. I would go through it with a text viewer and insert the lines that begin with "+" (without the +) at the appropriate place in the appropriate files. That's old school patching. 14:17:52 darcs apply 14:17:53 prxq: my guess: "darcs apply" 14:18:24 ah 14:18:36 I'm going to send that to the clbuild mailing list so that someone can apply it to the official repo. 14:18:38 -!- smik [~siddhant3@180.215.1.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:18:45 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 14:18:54 that worked, thanks 14:22:16 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:22:39 lemoinem [~swoog@74-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:13 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@74-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:44 lemoinem [~swoog@74-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:07 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 14:25:52 How can I suppress cffi-grovel output? 14:26:27 redline6561 [~redline@user-24-214-18-208.knology.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:35 Plazma-R2oolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined #lisp 14:28:26 DocOnDev [~doc@43.sub-75-246-99.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 14:33:07 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@p67f6db.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:36:24 Xach: You cannot 14:36:35 cffi fails to compile here. It wants libffi, but if I do 'make' in the cffi dir, the compilation breaks due to some headers missing. 14:36:40 I suggested to fix that on the cffi mailinglist two months ago, but haven't received any reply 14:36:49 -!- DocOnDev [~doc@43.sub-75-246-99.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:37:26 felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has joined #lisp 14:37:31 glibc-devel missing 14:38:07 Xach: It's asdf extension should output to asdf::*verbose-out* 14:38:20 *Its 14:39:16 -!- revel0___ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:13 -!- Plazma-R2oolz is now known as Plazma-Rooolz 14:42:22 prxq: are you trying to load FSBV? 14:42:51 -!- redline6561 [~redline@user-24-214-18-208.knology.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:43:55 LiamH: I'm just trying (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :gsll) 14:44:47 prxq: well buried in there it is trying to load FSBV, which in turn depends on the libffi library. What OS? 14:45:01 btw, sbcl (*41) dies around the time of the compilation of libgsl-unix.c 14:45:17 LiamH: ubuntu 10 on i36_64 14:45:18 (please don't say OS X) 14:45:57 sudo aptitude install libffi-dev 14:46:34 done. Now I need to actually install gsl :-) 14:46:44 oh yeah, that too :-) 14:46:47 if it is not installed, sbcl dies silently 14:47:07 well, not true. All the gore is in *inferior-lisp* 14:47:25 Hmm, I never considered the case that someone would want GSLL and not bother to install GSL. 14:47:29 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Quit: Asta la vista] 14:48:17 it is odd, I agree :-) 14:48:51 Actually, it's stated in the "download and install" section, a bit buried though. 14:49:08 "Then make sure that the C packages libgsl0-dev and libffi-dev (if using FSBV) are installed." 14:49:26 pavellud` [~user@87.246.30.76] has joined #lisp 14:49:44 are you sugesting that I didn't bother reading that? ;) 14:50:14 I think I somehow had the illusion clbuild would do everything, which is of course silly 14:50:31 sorry for the noise. Everything seems up and running now 14:50:33 and thanks 14:50:49 pjb: ping 14:50:50 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.30.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:50:54 Sadly, clbuild (and quicklisp), doesn't touch non-CL libs, you have to do that separately. 14:51:04 prxq: you're welcome 14:51:20 join the mailing list 14:51:37 work is still ongoing, slowly 14:52:13 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: gz] 14:52:24 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.26.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:53:04 LiamH: just subscribed (via gmane) 14:53:15 TheLolrus [~Xarver@cpe-75-83-191-189.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:54:42 btw, what an annoying habit of c compilers to simply continue to try to compile a file after its first error. Pages upon pages of utter garbage. 14:54:43 retroj [~retroj@unaffiliated/retroj] has joined #lisp 14:55:14 lol 14:56:28 in his rant about ocaml, sam steingold complains that the "Compiler stops after the first error" 14:57:23 interesting. didn't know anyone bothered beyond the first one. 14:59:02 none, I see. 14:59:14 "it should report as many errors as possible". 15:01:38 prxq: some old C++ compilers did that 15:03:44 *LiamH* wonders about all the errors possible from a C++ compiler if it is given a Lisp source file. Or a work of Shakespeare. 15:04:02 sbcl does, too :-) 15:04:24 it chokes immediately at a reader error 15:04:45 I think it was very useful for compilers to try and recover from errors and blunder on as far as possible 15:04:58 depends on how good the recovery is 15:05:07 ... when they were being run as batch jobs which took all night and gave you back paper errors 15:05:19 but not really now 15:05:21 gcc might as well die on the first error, clang apparently does a way better job 15:05:40 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 15:05:49 all that wasted paper. normally there isn't anything useful after the first error. 15:06:16 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:06:32 Oh some old compilers were very good at recovery, just because you wanted as much as you could get if you could only run it once a day or so 15:07:07 prxq: Huh? 15:07:38 I really want it to go as far as possible and annotate all stuff in my source file so I can easily step through it 15:07:46 and not have it choke at the first stupid typo it encounters 15:08:17 I think that depends on how long it takes. If compilation is instant, then I think it;s fine to choke 15:08:30 No, really not 15:08:53 any edit-compile-cycle is slower than a edit-only circle 15:09:00 no matter how fast the compilation step is 15:09:30 yes, but if it is faster than you can type it does not really matter 15:10:13 maybe automatic background recompilation on each change, what I think IDE actually do to some extent for finding syntax errors 15:10:42 And there's basically no good reason in a modern language (like CL) it should not be almost always faster than you can type 15:11:03 (maybe unless you write really huge source files) 15:11:26 urandom__ [~user@p548A7E4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:27 sigh 15:11:39 looks like bash-isms in make.sh again 15:13:58 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:28 -!- MagBo [~Sweater@195.114.56.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:17:07 Toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-109-7.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:27 tcr: at least gcc just produces redundant nonsense after the first error 15:17:50 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A6A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:57 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:17:57 what's the point of going beyond that first typo if it renders the rest of the file meaningless? 15:18:33 redline6561 [~redline@user-24-214-18-208.knology.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:53 how does a typo render the remaining functions meaningless? 15:18:58 nat4nat [~nat4@89.204.137.223] has joined #lisp 15:19:58 in C/C++? all the time 15:20:14 Why? 15:20:55 because gcc does crap like defaulting any variables with an invalid type to be of type int 15:21:52 so then any uses of that variable according to the real inteded type will give errors 15:21:56 Hard to see how someone can render that to be a feature 15:22:12 and not a bug :-) 15:22:32 now, a compiler with good error recovery would make a fuzzy match from that type name to actual existing types, and proceed with the compilation 15:23:01 jsnell: and what would be that good for? 15:23:22 it is rather unlikely that the AI is good enough to come up with anything remotely plausible 15:23:35 anyaws. 15:23:56 yes, I suppose existence proofs don't carry a lot of weight in a discussion like this 15:24:41 But why does it carry on misinformation on a variable's type defined in a function to other functions? 15:24:51 joshe: you getting the syntax error on line 42 as well? 15:24:55 prxq: really ? if I write "sizet size" instead of "size_t size" it would be nice if the compiler corrects that and just issues a gentle warning 15:25:06 -!- redline6561 [~redline@user-24-214-18-208.knology.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:19 well, it should be a full error. but it should not cascade to further errors 15:25:38 otherwise I'd say the case jsnell describes is not the most common? 15:25:55 http://blog.llvm.org/2010/04/amazing-feats-of-clang-error-recovery.html 15:26:09 *prxq* is having trouble finding the matrix-matrix multiplication in gsl... 15:26:10 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:26:10 tsuru: yes, the "function" keyword isn't posix 15:26:18 joshe: nvm... I just saw your post on the list. 15:26:28 just remove it and your shell should be happy 15:26:37 joshe: i see 15:27:23 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 15:27:52 sounds like Interlisp's DWIM 15:28:34 Any sufficiently advanced degree of smartness is indistinguishable from DWIM. 15:28:39 DWIM was actually pretty flaky in my esperience. Everyone I knew turned it off. 15:28:58 (I mean Interlisp's not any other impl) 15:29:03 :D 15:29:17 tfb: how old are you ? 15:29:27 very 15:29:35 old enough to have used a d-machine :-) 15:29:36 prxq: matrix-product 15:29:48 (just) 15:29:57 LiamH: but that does only matrix vector product, no? 15:30:08 i think it'd be annoying if it did everything automatically, but as far as i know DWIM could be configured to consult user 15:30:32 prxq: no, it's a generic function, in both blas2 and blas3. 15:31:07 (i.e., both matrix-vector and matrix-matrix) 15:31:44 stassats: if I remember, the really mad thing was that that's the way the infix stuff worked in interlisp: it was an error, and DWIM then woke up and rewrite your code 15:31:54 -!- danie_ is now known as daniel 15:31:57 uh, i see 15:31:59 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:32:06 the memory of that just makes me feel ill 15:33:22 Damn Warren's Infernal Machine 15:34:11 prxq: can it run Prolog? 15:34:18 Bronsa [~bronsa@host192-181-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:34:23 stassats: ? 15:34:28 ehu [~ehuels@77.86.30.139] has joined #lisp 15:34:57 prxq: Warren Abstract Machine can 15:35:57 ah 15:42:45 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:44:48 -!- nat4nat [~nat4@89.204.137.223] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:54 -!- Plazma-Rooolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:00 Plazma-Rooolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined #lisp 15:46:35 -!- skv is now known as abend 15:47:56 ike` [~user@lawn-143-215-116-235.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #lisp 15:52:08 ogamita [~user@40.Red-88-30-5.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:16 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:54:27 revel0___ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 15:54:48 gz [~gz@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:30 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 15:57:31 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:57:57 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 15:58:42 -!- silenius [~silenus@p549466D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:12 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-60-82-254-199-39.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:27 tfb: are there any d-machine emulators on the web? 16:02:40 -!- gz [~gz@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 16:02:55 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-40-82-251-171-238.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:25 -!- ogamita [~user@40.Red-88-30-5.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:04:13 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@ool-45767b73.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:04:24 Blkt: not to my knowledge (there was once a commercial thing that ran on SPARC systems) 16:04:39 I see, thanks 16:06:14 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:10:16 -!- em is now known as emma 16:14:58 srolls [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:15:31 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:03 abhinav [~abhinav@122.172.49.202] has joined #lisp 16:20:06 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:20:09 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-116-43.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 16:20:32 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has left #lisp 16:21:48 MagBo [~Sweater@195.114.56.71] has joined #lisp 16:23:19 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25:48 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:11 antifuchs: herep 16:26:19 T 16:26:38 Yo, if you're going to be at Franz you should really think about living in Berkeley or Oakland. 16:26:43 The commute will be much nicer. 16:26:47 Plus it's cheaper. 16:27:13 I'll definitely consider it (: 16:27:43 I'm not convinced by oakland, though... berkeley sounds sweet, though 16:27:47 Berkeley is very nice. I don't know Oakland as well. 16:27:51 (but ... city!) 16:28:32 There are different parts of Oakland. Some are the hood. Some are so swanky I had to leave and move to Berkeley. 16:28:58 heh. I spent a few days in oakland 16:29:20 and it was a bit shocking how rapidly neighborhoods can switch from being hyper-clean to really terrifying 16:29:48 You don't want to live over near the Franz offices. But if you head over by the Berkeley border it's quite nice. Rockridge is one neighborhood near where I used to live. 16:29:57 Welcome to America, my friend. 16:29:58 ah, nice (: 16:30:04 (oops, meeting. brb.) 16:30:34 heh. welcome to america indeed. 16:31:23 antifuchs: the san francisco -> oakland reverse commute shouldn't be too bad if you take bart. I think franz is right downtown, IIRC. 16:31:34 -!- ehu [~ehuels@77.86.30.139] has left #lisp 16:33:04 antifuchs: what slyrus says is right, assuming you leave somewhere in SF that you can get to a BART (not Muni) station easily. 16:33:19 If you have to screw around with Muni and then BART or busses and then BART, it's less fun. 16:33:21 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-132-29.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:08 -!- Plazma-Rooolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has quit [Ping timeout: 624 seconds] 16:35:01 yeah, that was the initial plan (: 16:35:25 I did the MUNI->BART commute once, and it really looks pretty annoying 16:35:50 (and franz is right next to a bart stop, which is cool (-:) 16:36:16 I'm not sure if you'll really be able to/want to live near a BART station in SF. 16:36:33 antifuchs: temescal is a slightly-hipper/less-safe/more-affordable neighborhood next to rockridge 16:36:47 -!- revel0___ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 16:36:48 noted, thanks! 16:37:18 gigamonkey: why would you not want to live near one? 16:37:32 and north berkeley has a bart station that makes downtown oakland rather convenient 16:37:32 crazy people hang out there (: 16:37:37 ah 16:37:42 Yeah. Basically you can start in Temescal and then walk uphill until you can no longer afford anything. ;-) 16:37:56 *gigamonkey* lives right near North Berkeley BART 16:38:03 *slyrus* used to 16:38:16 rsynnott: well, most of them are downtown which isn't really residential 16:38:20 *rsynnott* lives right beside a tram station; no real excess of mad people :) 16:38:21 ah 16:39:28 And if Temescal is too spendy, you can go in the other direction toward Emeryville. 16:40:00 ehu [~ehuels@77.86.30.139] has joined #lisp 16:40:15 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 16:40:19 I lived in a neat loft in Emeryville for a while between houses. 16:41:01 -!- ehu [~ehuels@77.86.30.139] has left #lisp 16:41:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:41:59 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:42:57 carlocci [~nes@93.37.219.77] has joined #lisp 16:44:06 amnesiac [~amnesiac@charanda.sandino.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:07 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@charanda.sandino.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:44:07 amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 16:46:22 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-azcgarfiavrskfnu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:55 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.115.102.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: tfb] 16:50:53 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:51:22 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:53:46 wubo [80f40909@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.244.9.9] has joined #lisp 16:55:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:55:57 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-77-124.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 16:58:17 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:59:03 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-23-78.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59:46 seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:39 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 17:05:47 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:06:56 Plazma-Rooolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined #lisp 17:08:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:13:50 -!- mjonsson_ [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:57 dialtone [~dialtone@70.36.244.244] has joined #lisp 17:14:07 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@70.36.244.244] has quit [Changing host] 17:14:07 dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has joined #lisp 17:14:19 peterhil_ [peterhil@a91-153-120-132.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 17:14:25 Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-15230.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 17:15:54 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:16:00 mjonsson_ [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:20:46 metasyntax [~taylor@12.132.219.7] has joined #lisp 17:22:11 -!- fualo [~fualo@markov.genomecenter.ucdavis.edu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:23:08 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:53 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:03 Hello all. 17:26:51 Xero [plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined #lisp 17:27:33 -!- metasyntax is now known as metasyntax`` 17:32:12 hi nyef 17:32:20 nyef: Hello. 17:35:06 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93.86.189.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:09 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:37:08 DocOnDev [~doc@172.sub-75-246-44.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 17:40:02 milanj [~milanj_@109.92.119.191] has joined #lisp 17:40:26 coyo|pingout [~coyotama@pool-71-164-234-173.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:48:35 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:29 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:02 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:53:16 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:58 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 17:55:21 attila_lendvai: yay 17:56:15 fe[nl]ix: what? have you looked at the http port? 17:57:56 I noticed that the site is back up 17:58:47 it's just the old version, but the new one is also alive 17:59:09 although something is broken when going through the ip address, no idea what 17:59:38 but i've initiated the dwim.hu dns change, will point to yout VPS in a few hours 17:59:47 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 18:00:09 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 18:00:39 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:31 -!- Dodek [~xyzzyz@87-205-243-105.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:51 -!- DocOnDev [~doc@172.sub-75-246-44.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03:01 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:03:30 DocOnDev [~doc@172.sub-75-246-44.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 18:03:36 Dodek [~xyzzyz@213-238-72-241.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 18:04:36 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:03 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06:25 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:07:22 Avisch [~Avisch@70-101-99-64.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:26 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:45 -!- DocOnDev [~doc@172.sub-75-246-44.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:13 antoni [~user@128.pool85-53-27.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 18:15:09 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@84.93.175.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:15:59 scottj [~scott@c-24-10-236-120.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:38 how do I go from a char to a int in lisp? 18:16:58 A -> 65 18:17:09 you probably want char-code 18:17:49 or maybe the obscurely-named char-int 18:18:10 where's that permuted index when you need it? 18:18:13 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 18:18:24 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.177.104.233] has joined #lisp 18:18:38 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:19:38 char-code looks right 18:19:44 but i have a string not a char :( 18:19:51 Joreji [~thomas@94-103.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:19:53 lispm [~lispm@g224125016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:20:01 A string of one character? 18:20:45 yup, a single char is not valid in json 18:20:50 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:21:10 gotta use (char 18:21:57 or #'character 18:22:10 -!- lispm [~lispm@g224125016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:22:40 because a (string 1) is a character designator 18:23:04 (string 1)? 18:23:21 oh, you mean type 18:23:38 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.177.104.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:23:48 despite loving designators, if i ever knew about character designators, i forgot about them until just now. 18:23:55 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:08 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:26:23 ... From a char to an int, with #\A => 65? How about (+ 55 (digit-char-p ...))? 18:29:20 -!- Plazma-Rooolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has quit [Ping timeout: 624 seconds] 18:29:43 -!- ike` [~user@lawn-143-215-116-235.lawn.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29:57 digit-char-p is crazy function 18:30:04 -!- Avisch [~Avisch@70-101-99-64.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:40 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:27 -!- ramus [~ramus@adsl-99-23-148-86.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:35:56 -!- coyo|pingout [~coyotama@pool-71-164-234-173.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: client closed in haste] 18:36:18 Anyone added font lock keywords to slime inspector mode? The following works but the default highlighting is disabled and only this gets highlighted. 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Is that a good version for general use too? 19:38:54 I need to update that! 19:40:10 What's in 2.005? 19:41:53 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:42:04 -!- rtoym_ is now known as rtoym 19:42:14 rtoym, 1- a speed optimization for finding systems, 2- a new gf operation-description (used at ITA to make output more readable and configurable), 3- find-system is now a gf, 4- excluding debian/ from the asd search by default. 19:42:46 Sounds like something that should go into cmucl too. 19:42:57 yes, probably. 19:43:04 SBCL is lagging with 2.003 19:46:58 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:14 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:33 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:58:42 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 20:01:28 anyone know who's in charge of cl-user.net? 20:01:55 Fare: Is there a BLM this month, and if so, when? 20:01:58 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02:18 -!- lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 20:02:30 -!- TheLolrus [~Xarver@cpe-75-83-191-189.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:19 lucca: marc battyani 20:04:31 fe[nl]ix: heh, thanks 20:05:19 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-22-199.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:05:42 would anyone tell me what is wrong with my understanding of usocket's (lack of) doc ? 20:05:42 http://github.com/billitch/cl-whois/blob/master/client.lisp 20:05:58 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-207-156.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:08 fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has joined #lisp 20:06:12 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:07:06 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-34-49.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:07:08 billitch1: what is wrong with it, that you think that something is wrong? 20:07:49 slyrus_ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:54 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:00 i would think nothing but i get "There is no applicable method for [...] USOCKET:SOCKET-SEND (1)>" 20:08:57 billitch1: and what is the value of socket? 20:09:01 socket-send is for udp 20:09:13 nyef, I don't think so :-/ 20:09:28 unless you speak, or something. 20:10:02 pkhuong_: it's an instance of usocket:socket-stream 20:10:17 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:18 stassats: so how would i send stream data ? i tried write-sequence with no luck 20:11:00 at least the doc for usocket is not misleading : there is nothing about sending data ! 20:11:45 Anarch [~w3@elrond.hsl.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:11:46 s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-215-177.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:04 socket-stream? Did the names really change that much since january? 20:12:15 billitch1: have you tried writing to it like any other stream? 20:12:51 pkhuong_: stream-usocket, sorry 20:12:57 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:00 with #'write-sequence i get The value ... STREAM-USOCKET ... is not of type STREAM. 20:15:17 billitch1: http://paste.lisp.org/display/113616 20:15:42 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:18:08 stassats: ok i see i have to use #'socket-stream, thanks 20:18:27 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:11 such an important function should be mentioned *before* the examples in the usocket doc though.. 20:20:17 a better version: http://paste.lisp.org/display/113616#1 20:21:30 seangrov` [~user@173-116-13-69.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:44 -!- seangrove [~user@user-64-9-233-108.googlewifi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:24:06 Arelius [d0507552@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.80.117.82] has joined #lisp 20:25:09 Anyone here use postmodern? I don't really understand dao objects well, in particular how I would create autoincrement IDs with it. 20:25:42 jdz [~jdz@host15-107-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:26:52 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 20:28:35 -!- Dodek [~xyzzyz@213-238-72-241.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:31:55 -!- jdz [~jdz@host15-107-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:34:05 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:36:21 -!- coyo [~unf@2001:0:53aa:64c:c67:5a02:b85b:1552] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:28 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:50 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:39:50 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:19 coyo [~unf@2001:0:53aa:64c:3864:6a86:b85b:1552] has joined #lisp 20:42:55 stassats: thanks ! i pushed a new version based on yours with 8k buffers to reduce to 1 or 2 reads, most replies are 2k chars 20:43:36 now to the parsing of replies ! 20:45:32 jbd [~user@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:52 *stassats* is struggling to understand his own code 20:46:53 serichsen [~user@f049040088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:48:22 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52:47 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-46.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:55:04 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59:09 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 20:59:43 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 21:00:03 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:00:30 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 21:01:23 -!- Hun [~hun@95-90-224-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:14 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:45 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 21:04:08 -!- Plazma-Rooolz [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has quit [Ping timeout: 624 seconds] 21:04:50 -!- Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:06:18 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A7E4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:44 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 21:10:23 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 21:10:47 -!- lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-188-50.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:33 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:18:40 stassats: hard to write, hard to read ? 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22:10:47 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:11:21 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 22:16:26 Anyone know of any lisp password hashing functions? 22:16:26 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A6A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:17:45 Arelius: see Ironclad 22:18:18 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:19:37 Hmm, Ironclad doesn't seem to have any password hashing algos. 22:19:48 Arelius: what did you have in mind? 22:20:11 bcrypt is pretty well accepted for instance. 22:20:28 sharps [~Owner@ip-118-90-28-76.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:20:33 Really anything though designed for passwords and not too quick a hash 22:20:45 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:51 All of those hashes are real quick. 22:21:29 Arelius: http://www.letsyouandhimfight.com/2010/07/14/cl-bcrypt-a-first-attempt/ 22:21:48 Arelius: Not a proper library but I figured since you're asking... 22:22:06 Sure, I was hoping to avoid going the FFI route. but that may have to do. 22:22:34 -!- sharps [~Owner@ip-118-90-28-76.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 22:23:12 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-28-76.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:25:38 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:20 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 22:29:29 SleepingYote [~unf@pool-71-164-234-173.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:32 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0102f1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:18 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:29 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has quit [Quit: qbomb] 22:30:35 larry65 [~larry65@d122-105-194-245.adl8.sa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:32:31 -!- Madsy^ is now known as Madsy 22:32:55 -!- Madsy [~madman@ti0207a340-0507.bb.online.no] has quit [Changing host] 22:32:56 Madsy 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