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[~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 03:35:33 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:39:32 Good morning! 03:40:18 huh 03:42:55 no i was orbiting around you know, never seen the sun go down! 03:49:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:49:56 tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 03:54:51 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:20 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 03:56:37 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:03:44 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:43 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 04:16:03 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:50 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:16:52 is there anyway to force the precision of a floating point number? I mean, can I tell Lisp to run N significant digits, as in the mathematica N function? 04:17:11 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:17:33 or do I need to use a mathematics package for that? 04:17:35 You can on clisp 04:18:05 what function for that on clisp? 04:18:22 it's a variable, apropos for precision 04:18:45 cheers tcr! 04:18:47 What's a good way to test whether an FD is still valid? 04:19:18 -!- spiaggia [~user@armadillo.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:34 spiaggia [~user@armadillo.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 04:22:38 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.151.198] has joined #lisp 04:24:55 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:13 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:58 later 04:27:58 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.10/20100504093643]] 04:30:22 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:30:51 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:31:26 tcr: dup(2) and check for EBADF? The question isn't really meaningful though, since fds are arbitrary ints, so you're subject to the same issues as with pids. 04:36:34 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 04:36:53 I'm using fcntl and f_getfl now 04:37:11 It's just a safe guard, I got a ebadf from write and I want to test against it and include contextual information 04:37:34 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.40.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:39:53 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:40:19 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:40:54 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:41:20 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has joined #lisp 04:43:25 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:43:31 hohoho [~hohoho@o195-33.pubnet.titech.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 04:45:13 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:47:01 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@o195-33.pubnet.titech.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:50:17 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:20 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:52:05 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:04:17 Only 10 more functions to write in conses module of SICL. 05:05:17 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:39 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:11:11 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18:23 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 05:20:59 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 05:21:28 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:24:10 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:21 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:29:51 sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-202-181.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:31:59 -!- bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32:09 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:32:20 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-58-147.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:35:52 hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:59 Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-208-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:43:11 hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 05:44:22 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 05:44:34 -!- hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:58 beach: SPARQL? 05:45:18 adu: What's that? 05:45:43 hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:27 http://github.com/turbo24prg/sicl ? 05:46:35 -!- plediii [~plediii@adsl-99-88-239-16.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: plediii] 05:47:07 revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 05:47:19 Not the same. 05:47:35 http://common-lisp.net/project/sicl/ ? 05:47:44 yeah 05:47:57 very descriptive 05:48:03 heh! 05:48:33 -!- sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-202-181.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:48:34 I get a Broken Pipe when trying to FORCE-OUTPUT on FD-STREAM for "standard error" 05:48:50 What could trigger that? 05:49:45 adu: Crazy project. Implement as much as possible of CL as totally portable modules written in CL, and without sacrificing performance. 05:52:10 sounds like slib 05:54:21 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 05:54:32 is there any difference between .lisp and .lsp? 05:55:23 The latter lacks the #\i 05:56:24 the former lacks the #\? 05:56:52 I like your out-of-the-box thinking 05:57:08 -!- HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:57:13 lol 05:57:25 that's more in-the-box 05:58:19 adu: I think .lisp is preferred nowadays 05:58:33 ok 05:58:39 adu: I randomly choose between .lisp and .cl 05:59:10 Don't give up Common Lisp's predomination on the name Lisp, it's all it got 05:59:10 Provided it triggers the right plugins of my text editor, I'm happy with any extention. 06:00:02 besides, we should all be using mime-types or extended attributes by now, right? 06:00:55 adu: In what way does it sound like slib? 06:01:27 i thought slib was an implementation of r6rs in r5rs... 06:03:08 Perhaps you are right; there are some similarities. 06:03:20 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:04 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:08:25 er, not R6RS, sorry 06:13:49 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 06:14:48 badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:14:48 -!- badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 06:14:48 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 06:17:03 Sysop_fb [~bleh@213.185.111.64] has joined #lisp 06:17:06 adu: no, slib is no R6-in-R5 06:17:34 slib is just a set of portable libraries, and it has been around for a while 06:20:28 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-137-120.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 06:20:28 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@210.229.158.64] has joined #lisp 06:20:54 -!- hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:24:00 mrSpec [~Spec@pas75-1-82-67-151-173.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:24:01 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@pas75-1-82-67-151-173.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:24:01 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:30:00 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:30:14 good morning 06:30:42 fitzgen [~fitzgen@c-67-201-205-34.reshall.wwu.edu] has joined #lisp 06:32:04 Can anyone who has used ParenScript extensively tell me what they think of it? Are there any hidden gotchas? 06:44:58 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:46:20 ASau` [~user@77.246.230.205] has joined #lisp 06:49:28 -!- tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:50:22 tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 06:51:02 -!- fitzgen [~fitzgen@c-67-201-205-34.reshall.wwu.edu] has left #lisp 06:56:44 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has left #lisp 06:57:41 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 06:59:06 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-112-25.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:03:36 hello. how can i detect the pc-name (host-name) in common-lisp? i tried "google: common lisp host-name" and "apropos host" - but maybe i am using the wrong key-words. thanks for hints. 07:04:36 trebor_dki: probably the easiest would be to open a pipe to "hostname |" 07:05:38 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:05:39 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@210.229.158.64] has quit [Quit: galaxywatcher] 07:05:50 hankhero [~Adium@c213-89-201-154.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 07:06:59 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:07:02 nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 07:07:18 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 07:07:30 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has joined #lisp 07:15:46 aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:18:39 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.151.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:10 -!- bytecolor [~user@adsl-71-137-195-53.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:04 fiveop [~fiveop@g229176066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 07:24:37 relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has joined #lisp 07:26:15 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:26:15 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 07:28:56 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:30:38 Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has joined #lisp 07:30:54 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 07:31:31 Good morning! 07:31:34 Hello mvilleneuve 07:32:26 Bonjour spiaggia! 07:34:55 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:31 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 07:36:41 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47:06 -!- roygbiv [~none@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has left #lisp 07:50:10 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 07:55:30 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 07:57:29 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7573f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:58:06 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-46-58.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:30 -!- Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:59:45 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 08:01:15 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:07:25 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-6-5.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:08:46 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:48 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:17:47 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 08:19:36 Blkt [~user@93-33-137-56.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:20:06 good day everyone 08:20:40 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:21:57 hello Blkt 08:22:09 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 08:25:19 ciao :D 08:27:57 HET2 [~diman@217.75.64.166] has joined #lisp 08:30:24 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:28 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 08:33:43 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:33:53 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 08:36:30 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:39:02 we fe[nl]ix 08:39:15 hi Blkt 08:39:58 -!- grouzen_ [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:42:45 -!- x-ip [~x-ip@host101.200-82-110.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Changing host] 08:42:46 x-ip [~x-ip@unaffiliated/x-ip] has joined #lisp 08:49:08 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:57:22 ZabaQ [~johnc@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 09:00:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@131-46-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:19 pjb` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:01:52 zomgbie [~jesus@mk092248056173.a1.net] has joined #lisp 09:02:48 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 09:03:31 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 09:04:53 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.156] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:07:47 mochi [~seth@61.197.167.158] has joined #lisp 09:09:06 -!- mochi [~seth@61.197.167.158] has left #lisp 09:09:15 -!- HET2 [~diman@217.75.64.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:09:18 bgum23 [~bgum23@HERTZ.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #lisp 09:10:32 sethtokyo [~seth@61.197.167.158] has joined #lisp 09:12:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:12:37 First time in here, hello. Could someone suggest a better resource for getting a sense of the state of current lisp tools than clicki.net? Their getting started wiki page seems almost totally out of date or sloppy. The links don't work or point to nonsense... 09:12:49 michal_ [~michal@anj75-2-88-162-182-86.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:12:55 -!- michal_ [~michal@anj75-2-88-162-182-86.fbx.proxad.net] has left #lisp 09:14:45 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15:03 -!- x-ip [~x-ip@unaffiliated/x-ip] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:15:33 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@mk092248056173.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15:47 G0SUB [~ghoseb@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 09:17:08 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:20:14 sethtokyo: hello there. In my rather short experience with Lisp, I found useful informations at www.franz.com, www.lispworks.com and www.sbcl.org, but it depends on what kind of infos you need, e.g. what you mean for "lisp tools"... 09:20:14 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-42-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 09:21:29 also www.common-lisp.net is interesting 09:21:39 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-87-77.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:59 is #lisp only for CL? or are other Lisp dialects fine? 09:23:02 filologen [~user@030205.dhcp.hum.ku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:23:55 Common Lisp, as the topic suggests 09:24:35 blkt: I write a lot of packaged consumer software, not any real experience with "service" programming, and am thinking of trying lisp to write some web services and to add some server-driven features to my until-now completely offline apps, so am interested in finding which sort of libraries and tools are mature. 09:24:38 x-ip [~x-ip@host101.200-82-110.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 09:24:57 mmm 09:26:28 you could see here http://common-lisp.net/projects.shtml if there's a project that fits your needs 09:27:08 also www.franz.com has a lot of stuff for web application stuff, but it's proprietary 09:27:08 (I've avoided writing services until now specifically because I can't stand the idea of writing lots of messy boilerplate before even getting to the interesting bits) 09:27:20 ahahahaha 09:29:09 you could also read http://gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-web-programming-with-allegroserve.html 09:30:12 I think reading that can help you a lot more than I could... 09:30:32 that is an interesting resource, will look at it. 09:30:42 didn't know they offered a free server 09:30:54 sethtokyo: use Hunchentoot 09:32:04 I'll never remember that name... 09:32:38 Blkt: it's written by Edi `teh God' :) 09:32:45 sethtokyo: http://www.weitz.de/hunchentoot/ 09:33:12 I see 09:34:53 Thanks for the various pointers people. 09:35:05 Dodek [dodek@jest.pro] has joined #lisp 09:41:35 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:42:48 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:42:49 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:08 hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 09:43:09 *attila_lendvai* is looking for an SBCL hacker to push his debugger cleanup patch 09:44:11 Edward_ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-57-185.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:44:17 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:45:51 tcr [~tcr@115.132.79.190] has joined #lisp 09:45:56 grouzen_ [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 09:46:44 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - 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But unless it's some historical lisp, we will probably advise you not to lose time on it and to use Common Lisp instead ;-) 11:29:23 -!- scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:34:02 -!- pjb```` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:44 pjb```` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:35:10 -!- hankhero [~Adium@c213-89-201-154.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:37:56 scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has joined #lisp 11:40:51 pjb````` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:28 -!- pjb```` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:46:06 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7573f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:23 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 11:48:30 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@124.76.15.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:58:08 -!- MK_FG [~fraggod@wall.mplik.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:24 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.19.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:12:13 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 12:12:41 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest46289 12:12:57 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 12:13:27 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 12:13:36 -!- Sysop_fb [~bleh@213.185.111.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:03 -!- pjb````` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:13 Yuuhi [benni@p5483D1EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:58 pjb````` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:11 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: AqD|Home] 12:16:20 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:20:47 Sysop_fb [~bleh@213.185.111.64] has joined #lisp 12:21:57 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.164.71] has joined #lisp 12:22:33 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:25:02 is there some developer of lispbuilder-sdl here ? 12:25:45 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26:08 hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 12:26:27 galdor: If you have a question, just ask! 12:27:08 well I can't understand why SDL:RENDER-STRING-BLENDED returns NIL 12:27:42 from what I tested, _render-string-blended_ of sdl-ttf returns a valid surface 12:28:22 but render-string-blended, which calls _render-string-blended_, returns nil 12:28:36 but the only thing it does is calling _render-string-blended_ 12:28:46 basically: 12:28:48 sdl-ttf: # 12:28:48 sdl: NIL 12:29:46 (also I'm not sure, but string-blended.lisp:66, (if surface surface *default-display*) should be (if surface surface *default-surface*), but I may be wrong) 12:30:49 -!- Guest46289 [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 12:31:16 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:31:32 spiaggia: see, that's why I asked first for a lispbuilder developer :) 12:31:35 -!- Edward_ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-57-185.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 12:32:17 tayloj [~tayloj@indigo-15.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 12:34:14 hankhero [~Adium@static-213-115-115-100.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:39:58 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:39:58 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:03 hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 12:40:23 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 12:42:04 galdor: that pattern is commonly called OR. 12:42:38 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: AqD|Home] 12:43:37 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-46-58.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:44:24 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:44:54 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@123.80-203-140.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: lnostdal] 12:46:09 asarch [~asarch@189.188.150.168] has joined #lisp 12:47:32 lnostdal [~lnostdal@123.80-203-140.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 12:49:30 pkhuong: i'm not sure if i understand your answer 12:49:43 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 12:53:06 pjb`````` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:09 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:54:38 -!- pjb````` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56:38 galdor: pkhuong was referring to the way you wrote that if form. it would look better as (or surface *default-surface*). anyway, it would probably be best if you sent this patch to the lispbuilder-sdl maintainers 12:56:43 (no idea who they are, unfortunately) 12:57:32 ah ok; I'll send a patch if I can fix my problem first :) 12:58:32 apparently the _render-string-blended_ method which is called is the one specialized on sdl:font, not on sdl:ttf-font 12:58:40 and on sdl:font, it returns nil 12:59:08 now I have absolutly no idea why it calls the sdl:font one, since sdl:*default-font* is a ttf-font... 13:00:12 it's a real pity to encounter this kind of problem when trying to use lisp for 2d games 13:02:05 #lispgames might have ideas, too 13:02:14 I already asked, no answer 13:02:47 the homepage of lispbuilder-sdl mentions #lisp, so 13:09:47 -!- pjb`````` [~t@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:11:46 MK_FG [~fraggod@188.226.51.71] has joined #lisp 13:13:40 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has joined #lisp 13:15:23 -!- tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:18:31 longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has joined #lisp 13:18:47 hello all 13:19:45 I'm trying to install cl-opengl but I encounter an error:"Unable to load any of the alternatives:("libglut.so" "libglut.so.3")" 13:20:08 longkid: you may want to install something like freeglut 13:20:29 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:51 galdor: Oh. I don't know, I install cl-opengl by asdf-install. 13:21:04 freeglut isn't a lisp library 13:21:09 are you using Linux ? 13:21:17 of course 13:21:50 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7573f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:52 then use your package manager to install freeglut :) 13:22:30 But I don't want to install freeglut, I just want to use cl-opengl 13:23:22 cl-opengl apparently uses GLUT for windowing, so you need a library that provides the GLUT API 13:23:39 I don't know if cl-opengl can use another windowing API (I hope so) 13:24:35 galdor: OK. I'll try to install freeglut. Hope that it will make cl-opengl installation run OK. 13:26:33 -!- lusory [~bart@bb119-74-209-160.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:36 well I mailed the lispbuilder ml, I really hope things improve, it's really disappointing for the time being 13:28:07 ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.115.145.133] has joined #lisp 13:28:38 lusory [~bart@bb119-74-201-132.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:31:12 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.118.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:31:15 tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has joined #lisp 13:31:32 -!- tanami is now known as Tanami 13:33:06 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7573f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:35 galdor: Have you ever tried to install cl-sdl? 13:34:14 -!- ZabaQ [~johnc@playboxgames.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:34:26 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:34:54 longkid: no 13:35:15 I was told that lispbuilder-sdl was the way to go 13:35:32 "CL-SDL is not maintained anymore and the project is considered defunct. Use Lispbuilder-SDL instead. " 13:35:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:36:20 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:36 galdor: I knew that. Because I want to run an old project, I try to install it. 13:38:15 Thanks a lot. I installed cl-opengl successfully after installing freeglut. 13:42:02 -!- Tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:44:00 ZabaQ [~johnc@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 13:51:08 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:51:41 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:53:46 storc [~seal@c83-253-25-124.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:55:06 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 13:55:54 tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has joined #lisp 13:58:26 demmeln [~Adium@2001:4ca0:0:f202:21c:b3ff:fec4:57d3] has joined #lisp 13:59:33 -!- demmeln [~Adium@2001:4ca0:0:f202:21c:b3ff:fec4:57d3] has left #lisp 14:00:05 -!- tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has quit [Client Quit] 14:00:16 hello longkid! 14:00:28 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-202-181.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:01:04 -!- storc [~seal@c83-253-25-124.bredband.comhem.se] has left #lisp 14:01:05 Oh hello spiaggia 14:01:15 spiaggia: how are you? 14:01:51 longkid: Starting to breathe a bit after a week of taking care of things that accumulated during my month of absence. 14:02:03 What about yourself? 14:02:19 tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has joined #lisp 14:03:08 spiaggia: I'm quite good. Recent days I'm writing the final report of my project. 14:03:13 -!- tanami is now known as Tanami 14:03:26 And also enjoy Dream Theater music 14:03:30 Excellent! 14:03:35 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:45 -!- Sysop_fb [~bleh@213.185.111.64] has quit [] 14:10:07 If I install a project by clbuild, how can I use it after installation? 14:12:08 longkid: What I do is I put the path to the systems directory on the *central-registry* like this (in ~/.sbclrc): (push asdf:*central-registry*) 14:12:41 longkid: Then you can use a system from your SBCL REPL by doing (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :name-of-system) 14:13:24 *spiaggia* leaves to catch a bus. 14:13:37 spiaggia: OK. I see. Thanks. 14:18:49 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7573f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:50 xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@116.227.164.71] has joined #lisp 14:26:54 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:14 -!- zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:28:59 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.164.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:45 -!- longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 14:29:54 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:35:46 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.164.71] has joined #lisp 14:36:22 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.164.71] has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:25 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:38:48 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:38:59 -!- billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39:53 -!- xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@116.227.164.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:40:07 longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has joined #lisp 14:40:20 -!- ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.115.145.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:51 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-137-120.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:19 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:50 Scorchin [~Scorchin@host109-152-121-233.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:43:24 I've never tried/learnt Lisp before. What's the best (free) online introduction to it? 14:44:08 Practical Common-Lisp 14:44:13 Practical Common Lisp: http://gigamonkeys.com/book/ 14:45:01 also, if you're totally unfamiliar with Lisps in general, SICP (http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/) is a must have 14:45:01 -!- longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:45:34 here to there are loads of links http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial 14:47:03 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:56 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 14:49:24 -!- asarch [~asarch@189.188.150.168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:57 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-96-255-9-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 14:50:32 pickles [~paul@d47-69-2-54.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #lisp 14:50:41 anyone knows why (dribble "/tmp/foo.lisp") does not work as expected under SLIME? 14:50:51 it does work from SBCL's own repl 14:51:26 I'd expect it to save the history of the inferior-lisp repl 14:51:31 Doesn't it do that? 14:51:35 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 14:51:43 *levente_meszaros* checking 14:52:27 no, it does not save anything 14:53:38 I just realized how useful that would be to have all entered forms and results with timestamps, etc. recorded... 14:54:33 postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-252-217.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 14:54:56 hi levente_meszaros 14:55:34 Blkt, hi 14:55:40 maybe the stream is not flushed 14:55:55 Guest206 [~gross221@77-22-161-202-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:56:08 -!- Guest206 [~gross221@77-22-161-202-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #lisp 14:56:15 carlocci [~nes@93.37.192.45] has joined #lisp 14:56:19 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:56:33 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:48 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:59 Ralith_ [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 14:57:15 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:53 brett_h [~brett@pool-173-74-117-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:37 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:58 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.230.205] has quit [Quit: off] 15:08:48 longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has joined #lisp 15:09:45 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:53 eheh, found the bug in lispbuilder-sdl-ttf, I sent a patch 15:10:06 if someone has the problem, just ask, I'll send it to you 15:10:33 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.172.230.27] has joined #lisp 15:14:00 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:14:00 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 15:14:17 milanj [~milanj_@79.101.139.125] has joined #lisp 15:14:28 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:31 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:03 galdor: lispbuilder-sdl cannot draw 3D objects like cube or sphere. Right? 15:16:04 right 15:16:23 you need to use OpenGL (or write a software renderer, good luck) 15:16:25 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:16:48 does anyone know a simple gui library for Common Lisp? 15:16:56 galdor: You mean using cl-opengl? 15:17:22 longkid: yes 15:17:31 OK. Thank you. 15:18:21 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 15:18:31 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 15:18:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:19:31 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 15:22:44 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 15:24:18 Axius [~hi@92.85.209.104] has joined #lisp 15:27:51 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 15:28:30 how to get this to work? (destructuring-bind (beg . end &aux (count 300)) '(100 . 200) (list beg end count)) 15:29:57 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:30:01 -!- filologen [~user@030205.dhcp.hum.ku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30:46 <_3b> (beg &rest end &aux ...) ? 15:31:14 *_3b* has no idea if that is actually valid code though 15:32:04 _3b: do you have a license for your swf tools? 15:32:10 it did work, _3b. 15:32:27 rootzlevel [~hpd@faui0sr1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #lisp 15:32:30 <_3b> Xach: bsd or mit or something probably 15:32:58 ok 15:33:01 (let ((count 300)) (d-b)) unless you're competing for succinctness 15:33:58 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:34:54 I was just curious how to get it to work with d-b. 15:37:06 clhs 3.4 15:37:07 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_d.htm 15:38:35 <_3b> yeah, looks like 3.4.4 says &rest matches dotted lists, so that should be valid 15:39:16 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-200-182.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40:17 cmm [~cmm@109.64.200.182] has joined #lisp 15:40:21 thanks. 15:41:52 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:41:56 -!- Axius [~hi@92.85.209.104] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:09 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42:14 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@faui0sr1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:42:53 beach` [~user@ABordeaux-158-1-128-172.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:43:43 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.172.230.27] has left #lisp 15:44:00 stassats: there is a bug in slime where a (y-or-n-p ...) is placed inside an infinite loop while the prompt isn't shown in the minibuffer. I failed to find the cause of the bug. Are you interested in taking a look? 15:44:23 In trying to clean up around the place, I ran across my old printed copies of MacLachlan's CMUCL stuff, and I use SBCL as my main lisp. Do these docs still have any relevance, or should they be used as fire starters? 15:44:50 stassats: He's talking of the autoconnect query infinite loop which I actually thought I would have solved a few months back 15:46:45 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-158-1-37-160.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46:45 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 15:47:46 longkid: What does "l" mean in the color "xanh l"? 15:48:47 beach`: It means the light blue of banana leaf. 15:48:57 longkid: Thanks! 15:49:14 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 15:49:24 Not exactly. Just the 'light green' 15:50:09 longkid: OK, I think I know which color is meant. 15:51:38 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.189.181] has joined #lisp 15:51:43 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 15:52:15 rootzlevel [~hpd@faui0sr1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #lisp 15:54:05 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:55:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:55:46 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 15:57:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 15:58:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:01:07 longkid: What is the difference between the color ghi and the color xám? 16:01:19 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.51] has joined #lisp 16:02:12 beach`: color ghi in which context? I want to see the phrase containing it. 16:03:14 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 16:03:22 longkid: Sorry don't have any. An answer like "it doesn't exist" is acceptable. 16:04:11 beach`: I knew this color, but let me see. 16:04:35 plediii [~plediii@adsl-99-88-239-16.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:43 -!- benny [~user@i577A1976.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:15 beach`: The color 'ghi' is the mixture between black and white. It's quite similar with gray color. 16:06:32 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:40 longkid: Thanks. Must come from French "gris", right? 16:08:08 beach`: Oh. Maybe. ;-) 16:08:14 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.5/20100623161114]] 16:08:40 beach`: Are you studying Vietnamese? 16:09:14 longkid: Yes, and I just came up with a simple Lisp program to make it less boring to drill vocabulary. 16:09:55 beach`: Yes, that's right. Is it complicated? 16:10:21 No, I just can't remember things very well, so it's a bit frustrating. 16:10:57 -!- beach` is now known as beach 16:12:36 But I wrote a new input mode for Emacs that makes it easier to type Vietnamese, and then just use the SLIME REPL to interact with a simple loop that gives an English word (possibly with explanations) and asks me to type the Vietnamese equivalent. 16:14:03 i prefer reading to improve my dictionary, it's less boring 16:14:14 beach: At some time, you'll feel it a crazy language. 16:14:56 longkid: Right now I find it beautiful, but then all languages I know are beautiful in some ways. 16:16:04 beach: :-) How can I create .asd file? Just write in text editor and save it. Right? 16:16:46 Yep. 16:18:25 Then just call (require 'name.asd)? 16:19:11 minion: tell longkid about xach-asdf 16:19:12 longkid: look at xach-asdf: Xach's article "Making a small Common Lisp project" can be found at http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 16:19:19 It will compile and load it into central-registry folder. Right? 16:20:47 benny [~user@i577A340A.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:23:25 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:24:27 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 16:25:11 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:25:41 -!- hankhero [~Adium@static-213-115-115-100.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25:45 -!- longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:19 hankhero [~Adium@static-213-115-115-100.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:26:31 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 16:26:42 Matrox [~Matrox@unaffiliated/matrox] has joined #lisp 16:26:52 -!- hankhero [~Adium@static-213-115-115-100.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 16:34:02 zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:34:56 longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has joined #lisp 16:35:00 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 16:35:02 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@123.80-203-140.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: lnostdal] 16:37:47 lnostdal [~lnostdal@123.80-203-140.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:38:33 xan_ [~xan@131-46-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #lisp 16:39:56 stassats: Thanks. I read it. 16:42:42 to anyone who uses cl-opengl, does is there a function that takes lists or vectors like the C version handles arrays? 16:44:03 -does, failgrammar =P 16:44:34 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:02 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.189.181] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:45:22 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:47:19 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.9] 16:49:45 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79.101.139.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:47 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:52:19 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:53:59 toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:00 milanj [~milanj_@93.87.150.168] has joined #lisp 16:55:12 mm, better question is 16:55:44 what if a function takes a argument, and the argument is expected to be an array, what should I use in it? 16:55:49 in CFFI, that is 16:55:52 a vector? a list? 16:58:58 or a (make-array)? 17:00:03 plediii_ [~plediii@m455336d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:06 -!- plediii_ [~plediii@m455336d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:40 Blkt` [~user@93-33-137-56.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 17:01:35 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:01:35 -!- m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:02:48 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-137-56.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:02:58 zc00gii: use what suits better 17:03:10 -!- plediii [~plediii@adsl-99-88-239-16.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:38 -!- zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:03:58 stassats: I'm not sure how it's used 17:03:58 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.145.133] has joined #lisp 17:04:04 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #lisp 17:04:11 caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:04:21 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06:24 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 17:06:29 hell 17:06:32 o 17:08:35 lolhi 17:09:30 Is there a way to put character literals into a documentation string? e.g. #\newline to conserve vertical space in source? 17:10:14 mon_key: hmm 17:10:16 w/out format -> setf 17:10:18 I ought to try that 17:10:21 vertical space is cheap 17:10:33 stassats: not on my screen 17:10:41 i read documentation in the code 17:11:13 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:26 mon_key: don't write documentation then, if you're planning to read it only on your screen 17:11:34 I don't even understand what he wants 17:11:56 mon_key: May you be looking for cl-interpol's #"" reader macro? 17:12:27 tcr: I want this "I am a docstring.#\newlineI do this.#\newlineAnd this too when THIS." 17:12:36 mon_key: maybe a macro is what you want? 17:12:41 stassats: thanks for the ,reload-system patch 17:12:48 mon_key: Yeah take a look at cl-interpol 17:12:49 like, write a mcro to do it? 17:13:05 like, huh? 17:13:23 uh 17:13:25 zc00gii: A macro is not what is wanted/needed. 17:13:44 i advise against using cl-interpol inside docstrings only to insert newlines 17:14:07 -!- revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 17:14:18 mon_key: kinda hackish, but make the function with a changed name, then make a macro that defines the function that defines the previously made function? 17:14:28 bah, I always confuse the hell out of people 17:14:29 better write/find an emacs minor-mode which hides docstrings 17:14:42 stassats: I thought of that. 17:14:49 I think reveal will do that. 17:15:19 But that wasn't the question. Is there in fact a way to do it per the standard? 17:15:26 no 17:15:27 anyway, any CFFI users? say a function's argument is an array, how do I give it one? 17:15:39 stassats: thanks 17:15:43 a Lisp or a foreign array? 17:16:18 tcr: foreign 17:16:54 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17:16 You can use with-pointer-to-vecto-data on a lisp array to get a foreign pointer to it; or allocate the array in foreign land to begin with 17:20:34 mon_key: (defun f () "string" ...), string can have literal new-lines 17:20:48 tcr: thanks 17:20:51 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:54 mon_key: btw 17:20:54 He's looking for escaped newlines, not literal ones 17:21:01 here's a way to can do it 17:21:29 tcr: "#\\newline" ? 17:21:43 Like \n in C strings 17:21:56 mon_key: http://gist.github.com/464537 17:22:30 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:22:49 hmm 17:22:51 nevermind 17:22:54 that doesn't work :\ 17:23:12 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7573f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:14 zomgbie [~jesus@93.111.167.198] has joined #lisp 17:24:18 (defun f () #.(format nil "~%") ...) 17:25:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.229.50] has joined #lisp 17:25:07 what pmd said works mon_key 17:26:20 me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-245-204.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:30 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:26:44 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 17:27:39 pmd: zc00gii: thanks 17:28:01 heh, I think I gave pmd the idea 17:28:16 yeah, and it's actually cool if you rename arguments, like (defun f (arg1 arg2) #.(format nil "This does that when ~1@*~a is different from ~1@*~a.~%" 'arg1 'arg2) ...) 17:28:27 zc00gii: no, i had thought of this before some time ago 17:28:39 "cool" 17:28:41 pmd: ah 17:28:44 I like your definition of cool. 17:29:03 Though, the `#.' requires *read-eval* set t 17:29:05 of course, for some definition of "cool"... 17:29:09 yes... 17:30:16 -!- postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-252-217.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 17:31:01 anyway 17:31:09 now that I have time to get back to my code 17:31:24 tcr: how do I use with-pointer-to-vector-data 17:31:47 Works :). So, I guess a slightly better way would be a symbol/reader-macro? 17:31:49 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@93.111.167.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:01 mon_key: yeah 17:32:56 #(foo) always bugs me though, wish it didn't evaluate it immediately, in my code I always think I can use it in the body of a function 17:33:39 evaluate what? 17:33:42 -!- ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:33:56 -!- longkid [~longkid@58.186.5.241] has left #lisp 17:34:18 stassats: like, if I do #((+ arg 4)) it errors with "variable arg not found" because it evaluates at compile time 17:34:40 it doesn't... 17:34:58 stassats: err, doesn't evaluate the way I want it 17:35:05 zc00gii: it doesn't evaluate at all, actually 17:35:12 yeah 17:35:34 (defun foo (a) #((+ 4))) --> FOO 17:35:39 you're wishing it wrong! 17:35:46 clhs vector 17:35:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_vector.htm 17:36:00 (foo 4) --> #((+ 4)) 17:36:21 (defun foo (a) #((+a 4))) --> FOO 17:36:25 (foo 4) --> #((+A 4)) 17:36:52 any sbcl experts here ? 17:37:00 zophy: just ask your question 17:37:04 ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:09 sugarshark [~ole@p4FDA9D36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:37:20 zc00gii: you can stop showing your REPL and read the link which specbot produced 17:38:08 stassats: sorry, I quit, I just screwed it up once -_- 17:38:41 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.145.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:51 say, do docstrings appear somewhere when using slime? 17:38:58 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-208-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 17:39:23 i've installed sbcl 1.0.40 binary and when i try (asdf-install:install :linedit) i get this error --> The function ASDF::SPLIT is undefined 17:39:30 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:57 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:40:04 zophy: turns out asdf-install is incompatible with asdf2 17:40:15 well 17:40:31 pmd: C-c C-d C-d `slime-describe-symbol' C-c C-d C-f `slime-describe-function' 17:41:09 zophy: that's not bad, because asdf-install isn't that great 17:41:44 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 17:41:58 mon_key: nice. c-d-f didn't show it for me, but i'm using a 3 month old slime 17:42:15 c-d-d did, however 17:42:54 pmd: i may have it rebound. sorry. 17:43:22 pmd: see slime-documentation 17:43:54 ok, this must be implementation dependent, the outpup of the descriptions look an awful lot like the running acl 17:44:05 *output 17:44:29 pmd: that's why you should look at slime-documentation 17:44:40 stassats: yeah, just saw it, thanks! 17:46:22 Edward__ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-80-213.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:48:08 gabnet [~gabnet@sma83-1-88-185-8-89.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:00 so I have a list and a simple array, both contain the same elements. I would have thought the array would give faster access time and less memory usage, but it's actually the opposite. is this because I can't exactly specify the element type of the array? 17:49:38 Snamich: that's because you're measuring it wrong 17:49:47 pmd: stassats: So one could just frob some token (any token) on the way through swank -> slime to produce a more readable vertical greedy docstring for slime `describe-*' whilst leaving the source documentation compact? 17:49:52 well, i don't know how to install anything without asdf-install 17:49:57 no clue 17:50:26 sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-161-17.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:50:48 minion: please tell zophy about clbuild 17:50:49 zophy: please see clbuild: clbuild is a shell script helping with the download, compilation, and invocation of Common Lisp applications. http://www.cliki.net/clbuild 17:50:58 mon_key: yes, probably on the slime side 17:51:08 stassats, tnx 17:51:48 pmd: So, what would be a good token(s) for the whitespace literals. Presuming that \n \f \t etc. are NTRT? 17:52:04 mon_key: no, you keep the documentation intact and change the way emacs displays source code 17:52:26 stassats: how so? I run the program using the list and then using the array. those are the only things that change between runs so I would think it gives a good idea of the differences 17:52:27 mon_key: oh wait, i get it, you want to parse the tokens inside the docstring... 17:52:38 stassats: yes, but something has to trigger slime pretty-printing slime side 17:53:01 Snamich: i haven't seen your code, so i can't tell 17:53:15 and using \n \f \t etc. might cause backslashitis 17:53:25 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-202-181.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:53:51 mon_key: you don't need slime to do this 17:54:02 mon_key: the "\n \f \t" thing is something of the lisp syntax, it'll just be "n f t" 17:55:04 pmd: yes. which is my point. (i think). 17:55:32 well, someone (i believe tcr) has pointed to some reader macro #"" that seems to do what you want 17:55:57 -!- TDT` [~user@173-30-32-53.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56:14 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@sma83-1-88-185-8-89.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:56:40 you can define your own #"" that interprets the \t (and such) tokens as you wish 17:56:51 pmd: yes of course. But there are better ways to extend that for slime/swank. which was my ult. goal. 17:57:45 so you want slime to understand #"". swank has to do nothing, i believe, as long as the readtable is set 17:57:48 is that it? 17:58:57 pmd: don't "want" anything. The solution was mad clear (: The rest is me thinking out loud about a neat feature... 17:59:09 jmbr [~jmbr@244.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:59:24 pmd: what I am fantasizing is having CL' 17:59:51 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:41 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:18 s docstrings be compact and have slime/swank frob it to something less compact when I do a `describe-*' using inconspicuous tokens in the docstring. Such that I am able to read them in source without difficulty but can have them presented by slime with better presentation . 18:01:21 stassats: assuming everything is optimized correctly, the array should definitely be faster correct? 18:02:40 Snamich: you can just paste your code, so we don't have to make any blind assumptions 18:03:17 and performance is different on different operations 18:03:41 toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:02 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@125-236-134-8.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 18:05:56 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-240.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:07:33 okay, pasted my first version of it 18:07:47 and basically I'm just accessing them to get at the contents 18:08:06 http://paste.lisp.org/display/112166 18:09:51 pmd: IOW "I am a CL docstring with inconspicuous tokens delimited by `^'.^n 18:09:52 When swank sees this ^n, or ^t, or ^f in a docstring Slime gets: 18:09:52 ``I am a CL docstring with inconspicuous tokens delimited by `^'.\n 18:09:52 When swank sees this \n, or \t, or \f in a docstring slime gets:''" 18:10:08 although I guess I don't need random access, so maybe it wouldn't help as much 18:12:45 Assuming that the `^' char is dialect neutral w/re their respective `format's wouldn't this allow for a reasonable docstrings both in source and displayed without the need to wrap each docstring in a reader/symbol macro? 18:14:36 psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-166-87.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:25 Snamich: try doing (loop for obj across *world* ...) 18:15:59 -!- psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-166-87.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #lisp 18:18:32 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@faui0sr1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:19:41 Snamich: and declare world as (type (simple-array t (*)) *world*) 18:19:47 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 18:20:15 toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:17 rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-217-25-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:21:33 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@125-236-134-8.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:24:23 Snamich: just declaring it would make things better, but you also access a special variable each time in the loop, which might be costly, so LOOP ACROSS should be faster and look better 18:24:49 and you're doing array access twice 18:25:45 stassats: yeah, that was just a hacked together initial version, but it's still about the same using loop with the declaration, the list is still faster 18:26:12 did you take into account what i just said? 18:27:58 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:28:35 everything but accessing the special variable, which at this point I would think would be noise since I'm doing it in both versions 18:28:36 http://paste.lisp.org/display/112166#1 18:28:56 Snamich: no you're not 18:29:00 I wasn't sure where to put the declaration, but it stopped complaining about it so I think it's fine 18:29:03 mon_key: to have \t in a string you actually have to write "\\t", right? 18:29:08 Snamich: you evaluate *world* just once in DOLIST 18:29:14 (i must go now, i'll read your replies tomorrow) 18:29:47 Snamich: try http://paste.lisp.org/display/112166#1 18:30:23 wait 18:30:34 you pasted before me 18:30:49 don't try it, it's the same 18:30:54 stassats: ok, so dolist is guaranteed to only evaluate it once? 18:31:38 Snamich: yes 18:32:15 symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:56 aw [~aw@78-26-21-221.network.trollfjord.no] has joined #lisp 18:33:09 i get the same time accessing a list and a general simple vector sequentially here 18:34:03 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082E135.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:57 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@166.188.42.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:38 Snamich [~Snamich@166.188.42.35] has joined #lisp 18:37:40 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5082BE91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:38:47 there, I added a type declaration for the element type and it was faster, almost negligible though so I don't think I'll continue with it since I'm not sure if I can guarantee the element type all the time 18:39:01 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 18:44:18 Snamich: replace (simple-array * (*)) with (simple-array t (*)) 18:45:09 it should be faster, since T guarantees that your vector will be general, not specialized 18:45:58 or you can replace it with just SIMPLE-VECTOR, which is the same 18:47:28 that worked 18:48:02 see, optimization is a tricky thing, that's why you shouldn't do it prematurely 18:51:01 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 18:51:19 it didn't help quite as much as I thought it would, but it should start making a difference once I start doing a larger amount of objects 18:51:22 thanks for the help 18:59:00 billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:05 m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:03:37 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:28 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:07:31 slyrus__ [~chatzilla@adsl-75-55-213-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:36 afternoon 19:08:00 -!- billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:15 billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:31 hello slyrus__ 19:09:36 hey beach, what's new? 19:11:48 psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-166-87.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:24 -!- billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:12:45 Hello, is there popular and good lisp system for creating documentation for a project? 19:13:57 psilord: atdoc, hyperdoc, tinaa, etc. 19:14:08 Cool, thanks, I'll check those out. 19:14:38 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-8.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 19:15:48 -!- Matrox [~Matrox@unaffiliated/matrox] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:44 pmd: The Emacs lisp reader will see the `\t' in the string "I'm a \ttab" as "I'm a tab" 19:20:44 e.g. approx CL equivalent of (format nil "I'm a ~Ctab" #\Tab) or (format nil "I'm a ~Ttab") 19:20:54 pmd: The Emacs lisp reader will see the `\\t' in the string "I'm a \\ttab" as "I'm a \\t tab" 19:20:55 e.g. approx equivalent? to CL's: (format nil "I'm a ~@Ctab" #\Tab) 19:23:17 slyrus__: Not much. Catching up on backlog in Bx after 1 month in VN. In two weeks, my mandate as a departement head (teaching only) is over. Slowly getting back into SICL. Planning a research paper. That kind of stuff. What about you? 19:24:26 beach: you there? 19:24:39 recovering from 4th of july weekend. a little bit of chemistry hacking. back to work tomorrow. 19:29:48 blandest [~user@79.112.114.105] has joined #lisp 19:30:03 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:51 anyone know what's the situation with getting a Common Lisp application working on Android? 19:35:25 -!- ZabaQ [~johnc@playboxgames.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:30 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-60-113.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:35:45 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-31.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:37:48 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:03 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:38:04 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:39:08 hankhero [~Adium@c213-89-201-154.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:41:18 rplacd [~rplacd@ppp-124-122-93-139.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 19:41:26 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 19:42:01 _mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:43:07 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:20 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:44:25 dto: I was also wandering if this is possible, but I guess the only chance is ABCL, other than going the Clojure way (which seems to be already ported) 19:46:45 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:49:01 -!- sugarshark [~ole@p4FDA9D36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:00 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:50:43 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-112-25.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:51:59 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:54:35 psilord: Now I am. 19:55:13 -!- Edward__ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-80-213.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:57:37 -!- ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:57:57 beach: I've pretty close to releasing a fully lisp master/worker system, which is the first part of my compiler project. 19:58:38 It is code complete (of course, alway more stuff to do, ubt it is quite usable as it stands), but needs a couple of scripts to interface it with a batch system and a manual. 20:01:28 beach: I just remembered you were interested in it, hence the random update of my status. :) 20:01:49 mindCrime [~chatzilla@64.134.184.80] has joined #lisp 20:04:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@131-46-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.229.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:38 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:04 hvs [~user@75.34.28.116] has joined #lisp 20:11:19 -!- billitch1 [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:25 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 20:13:44 toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:48 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:16:57 xan_ [~xan@131-46-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #lisp 20:18:59 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 20:20:41 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.145.133] has joined #lisp 20:23:27 Well, I'm out. Later. 20:24:04 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-113-138.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: hefner] 20:26:50 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:11 -!- psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-166-87.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #lisp 20:28:23 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-211.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:08 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:14 a style question, do you usually keep the line to be < 80 chars? 20:37:13 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@64.134.184.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37:47 I'm not anal about the counting, but it's probably in that vicinity 20:38:04 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:32 Edward__ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-73-92.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:39:07 my emacs windows just happen to look like the golden rectangle so it scales 20:39:13 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:39:21 I like to see the whole row on a 1280x1024 emacs vertically splitted 20:39:37 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:41:42 I would love to do that but I'm usually tiling a reference right next to it - i.e. the racket helpdesk 20:42:53 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-211.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:45:08 -!- Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 20:45:42 I still can't wrap my head around how to use foreign arrays with CFFI 20:46:11 if anyone would be kind to help, I'll appreciate it 20:46:22 -!- darkestkhan [~darkestkh@n1.rtfm.pc.pl] has left #lisp 20:46:26 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:06 I dunno, what's the issue you're having with them? 20:47:07 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@125-236-134-8.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 20:47:20 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@125-236-134-8.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:48:46 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:48:48 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@166.188.42.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:16 slava [~slava@li13-154.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:49:22 so how do I install http://www.cliki.net/cl-oauth? 20:50:14 it doesn't appear to be asdf-installable like most stuff on cliki 20:50:46 rplacd: basically 20:50:51 I just can't get it 20:51:18 it'd be great if I can do like, a make-c-array function and the argument to be a single list or vector or something 20:51:45 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 20:51:46 slava: I think that means you get to install the source directly. 20:51:47 Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has joined #lisp 20:52:32 rtoym: do I need to asdf-install the dependencies one by one too? 20:52:49 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:53:19 slava: I guess so. I've never used (or even heard of) cl-oauth, though. 20:53:32 toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:56 rplacd: basically, how it'll work, is loop around the arguments, then type-of each element, and if it happens to be a vector/list or w/e it uses, it'll recursively call itself 20:54:07 leo2007: I used to split my screen in two halves, so that made indeed 80-column wide windows. But now I've got a bigger, wider screen, and while I tried to split it in three, it's not as practical as when it's split in two, so now my windows are larger, and I lost dedication to the 80 columns. 20:54:11 then it returns the pointer to the argument, and you can use it in a foreign-funcall 20:54:23 er 20:54:25 not argument 20:54:26 array 20:54:32 zc00gii: hmm, not the best challenge to take up at 3:54 AM, let me churn it a little 20:54:47 rplacd: "churn" 20:54:49 ? 20:54:55 aoriste [~user@ccfl-a4f-3.unl.edu] has joined #lisp 20:55:00 inside my head, I meant. 20:56:43 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:56:43 20:56:43 -!- names: ccl-logbot toast` Davse_Bamse dstatyvka slava redline6561 OmniMancer1 Joreji Edward__ pizzledizzle ziarkaen bozhidar xan_ hvs mattrepl HET2 _mathrick nixeagle rplacd hankhero kephas drewc blandest slyrus__ m4thrick leo2007 daniel__ aw symbole rootzlevel manic12 jmbr sepult` stis me345 zophy mon_key Blkt` milanj lnostdal lolsuper_ benny pmd beach cmm ikki madnificent brett_h Ralith_ carlocci pickles levente_meszaros Scorchin Tanami bzzbzz lusory 20:56:43 -!- names: bobbysmith007 MK_FG AqD|Home joast tayloj Yuuhi fe[nl]ix scode bgum23 AntiSpamMeta rtra dmiles_afk ljames ehu grouzen_ tcr Dodek x-ip legumbre G0SUB rdd sanjoyd fiveop nipra trebor_dki mrSpec mega1 christoph_debian spiaggia cataska xinming holycow xavieran Nshag e-future mcc_ Amadiro Adlai`` ramus cupe deepfire Aszarsha_ turbo24prg ace4016 rtoym oconnore_ thunk lemoinem Euthydemus galdor Odin- carrl Xantoz Aisling prip_ barcon332 MetalDust setheus ASau 20:56:43 -!- names: eldragon ski mgr pkhuong c|mell kleppari sykopomp ianmcorvidae Salamander tessier Madsy franki^ mtd gzip4 hugod p_l gz fmu aoh nullman Deltafire [mzm] tychoish pjb Xach spoofy dto micro_ derrida [df] boyscared johs Axioplase rapacity yacin codemonkeyx tic m`` Demosthenes az Anarch abend burton MrWGW johanbev fda314925 hanneso vsync kencausey xristos yahooooo p8m hohum fihi09 erg delYsid rlonstein copec BrianRice lichtblau Tabmow pr amaron sytse inklesspen 20:56:43 -!- names: zbigniew cods andreer herbieB Helheim kuwabara krappie ojuice levene rsynnott ecraven Zhivago Ginei_Morioka ve koollman luis Khisanth froydnj PissedNumlock bfein dcrawford dejones qsun Aperculum l_a_m fgtech^ Pepe_ rlpowell rotty tvaalen pok bougyman jrockway @Xof bakkdoor mal__ DrForr z0d peddie_ frodef qebab devon antifuchs housel Draggor emma hdurer`` hc_e chiiph Adrinael kvsari Patzy djm kloeri clop joga acieroid stettberger cpt_nemo gonzojive Taggnostr 20:56:43 -!- names: nuba df_aldur pkhuong_ tomaw felipe djinni` arbscht WOG tsuru slyrus_ _3b _3b` Intensity mqt jpanest zc00gii tltstc erk__ ineiros stepnem Obfuscate rahul eno _2x2l dym billstclair srcerer lisppaste minion specbot mornfall callen slyrus CrazyEddy maxcom` phadthai schmrkc sad0ur pchrist spacebat alec araujo Tasunteld Tordek jsnell joshe ri4a foom Yamazaki-kun sjbach nasloc__ cYmen 20:57:11 ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.112.241.21.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:33 huh, that's annoying, there aren't any out-of-the-box types for arrays 20:58:28 wait, I take that back. 20:59:01 pjb: my screen isn't big enough so once the line is longer than 80 chars it often get obscured by popup windows. The proportional font idea is interesting. 20:59:24 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 21:00:13 rplacd: :( 21:00:33 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.145.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:43 actually, now I think I'm tangled up as you are 21:00:46 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #lisp 21:00:48 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:01:36 near the end of the manual - there's an example where he uses an array type specifier or whatchamathingy 21:01:55 wait, my bad, didn't read the macro definition 21:02:45 -!- barcon332 [~barcon332@208.89.210.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:10 is there any way to muffle all of these GPG restarts forever? 21:04:13 its a pain having to hit 0 1000000 times 21:04:28 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 21:04:31 I'm starting to think the manual isn't a good source at all now 21:04:55 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:01 Snamich [~Snamich@166.188.42.35] has joined #lisp 21:06:06 Matrox [~Matrox@unaffiliated/matrox] has joined #lisp 21:06:57 -!- mcc_ [~mike@ip68-104-164-151.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:23 zc00gii: let me take a stab at it now, actually 21:08:08 if you're going for stack allocation with-foreign-object allows you to specify a "count" 21:08:10 (see http://common-lisp.net/project/cffi/manual/cffi-manual.html#with_002dforeign_002dobject) 21:08:18 yeah 21:08:38 if you're going for heap allocation foreign-alloc also allows you to specify a count 21:09:00 and mem-aref seems to explain itself. 21:09:23 rplacd: so, my idea, is specify the len as (length arg) then loop around it, and type-of it, so if it's a integar, it's an integar, if it's a float, it's a float, etc 21:09:49 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 21:09:59 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:10:07 yeah, that would work. 21:10:14 if it's a vector(which is what the argument is, or a list, depends) it recursively calls itself then repeats, and returns the pointer 21:10:22 ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:28 then goes back to the original list 21:11:18 do you have a way of generically converting lisp values into C ones? 21:12:13 abugosh [~Adium@pool-74-103-38-231.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:27 rplacd: no, but it does 21:12:36 oh yeah, my bad. 21:12:45 rplacd: all I'll be doing are numbers and strings 21:13:04 actually, probably only numbers, but strings are a maybe 21:13:37 well, it looks like it pretty much mirrors C down to that T anyway 21:14:54 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 21:15:32 simply alllocating it via foreign-alloc and looping around, translating the values over would work, won't it? 21:16:21 around the length of the list, I mean. 21:17:42 I think the mem-aref example does that. 21:18:12 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:18:23 anyway, I *have* to be out, it's 4:17 now - sorry if I wasn't much of a help. 21:18:29 -!- rplacd [~rplacd@ppp-124-122-93-139.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:11 toast` [~toast`@c-71-231-102-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:14 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-42-75.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:21:37 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:22:03 redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:22:56 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:23:32 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-42-6.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23:56 -!- christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:24:24 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 21:25:24 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has joined #lisp 21:25:24 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:23 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:33 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-211.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:32 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:03 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:21 badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:31:21 -!- badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 21:31:21 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 21:32:45 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:34:02 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-211.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:35:49 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:51 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:15 ok, gonna make a thing to see if it should be a C float or C double when working with CFFI 21:36:18 how should I do this? 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22:08:38 (cos (/ pi 2)) --> 6.123233995736766d-17 22:08:52 xiackok: idk 22:08:58 idk? 22:09:06 (cos (float (/ pi 2))) --> 6.123233995736766d-17 22:09:15 try it with that (float) 22:09:27 xiackok: clisp? 22:09:33 Fade: yes 22:09:48 (cos (/ pi 2)) ---> 6.123233995736766e-17 22:09:59 but result must be = 0??? 22:10:03 both common lisp(sbcl) and emacs lisp gives the same for me 22:10:09 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:10:22 i'd call that a bug in clisp. 22:11:23 Fade: zc00gii is right. when i try emacs lisp it gives 6.123 why its not 0(zero)? 22:11:29 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:11:36 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:13:34 idk 22:13:57 whats the idk?? 22:14:15 i don't know 22:14:43 (sqrt (/ (1+ (cos pi)) 2)) 22:14:51 returns 0 as expected. 22:15:56 pkhuong_ might be able to explain the weird result. 22:17:21 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:03 -!- tayloj [~tayloj@indigo-15.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has left #lisp 22:18:05 tayloj [~tayloj@indigo-15.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 22:18:35 that expression doing (0/2)^2 ?? 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Especially when (CL) pi is not exactly pi. 22:42:43 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 22:47:34 rtoym: yes u are right. but -2.* is not true 22:48:16 well, it's arguably not even close. 22:52:13 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:18 -!- grouzen_ [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:53:52 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 22:54:00 xiackok: What is the problem? That clisp returns -2.5L-20 for cos(pi/2)? 22:56:04 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@121.243.225.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:16 -!- nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:56:44 i think problem is me :D:D i don't know scientific notation li L-20. 22:57:12 nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 22:57:13 2.0L-20 like 0.00000000000000000002 ??? 22:57:22 Yes. L is the long-float exponent marker. 22:57:28 G0SUB [~ghoseb@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 22:57:35 2.0L-20 is 2.0 times 10^(-20). 22:58:23 ok thank you very much rtoym i understand finally :) 22:58:47 I'm witg rtoym: doesn't seem too weird. 22:58:52 No problem. 22:58:58 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-71-89.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:59:02 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-71-89.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:25 tayloj [~tayloj@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:03:17 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:52 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-71-89.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:04:01 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 23:04:41 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-53-82-65-60-119.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:26 -!- me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-245-204.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:54 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] 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