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Maybe add a compiler macro to generate the warning? 00:53:11 Or maybe just a regular macro would work. 00:53:31 Well, maybe not, since you could funcall the original but not the macro. 00:55:47 I am confused. 00:56:39 pinterface [~pinterfac@174-30-74-223.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:43 rtoym: I'd like for example deprecate car and the compiler should issue warning whenever car is used. 00:59:54 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483AA47.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:00:02 CAR? Really? I don't think you can do that. 01:00:09 just example. 01:01:36 Ok, let's say foo. You want people to use newfoo. A compiler macro for foo can print a warning that foo is deprecated. The compiler macro can even replace foo with newfoo. 01:01:51 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-233-221.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:02:22 But you'll probably want to do (setf (fdefinition 'foo) (fdefinition 'newfoo)) too so that (funcall 'foo) eventually calls newfoo. 01:03:01 rtoym: the compiler-marcro part, is it easy to write one that works for all functions? 01:03:12 since we only need the warning msg. 01:03:28 Write a macro to generate the compiler macro. 01:03:48 You can wrap it all up in your define-obsolete-function-alias. 01:04:15 symbole_ [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:41 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:05:03 -!- symbole_ [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has left #lisp 01:05:16 symbole_ [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:18 symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:06:59 the compiler macro seems to require supplying the original function's args 01:07:17 -!- mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has quit [Quit: home] 01:08:56 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.29] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:10:28 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:05 -!- spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:06 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082CEAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:06 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.93.205.178] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:06 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:06 -!- Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:07 -!- Tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:07 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:07 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:11:08 -!- sad0ur [~sad0ur@psi.cz] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:13:26 <_3b> (setf (compiler-macro-function 'foo) (lambda (f e) (format t "using deprecated function ~s~%" (car f)) f)) ? 01:14:35 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.56.65] has joined #lisp 01:15:50 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:15:57 -!- HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:16:05 -!- baddog [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:33 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 01:18:33 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@166.188.122.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18:51 _3b and rtoym thanks. I will try it out tomorrow. good night all. 01:19:33 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 01:20:39 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 01:21:58 frodef: would you consider adding binary-types to github also? 01:22:54 spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082CEAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 milanj [~milanj_@109.93.205.178] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 Tanami [~markovic@150.101.97.171] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 sad0ur [~sad0ur@psi.cz] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:22:54 zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has joined #lisp 01:23:02 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:25:16 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:20 oconnore_ [~oconnore_@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 01:25:31 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 01:25:38 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.93.205.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:25:44 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp83.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:28:12 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 01:28:32 p0a [~p0a@athedsl-4374285.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 01:28:50 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 01:28:58 Hello supposing I have #2A((1 2 3) (4 5 6)) how can I aref the first array? Like: (aref * 0) ==> #(1 2 3) 01:29:04 Don't tell me this can't be done! 01:29:45 Of course it can be done. Just not in the way you want. 01:29:55 What's that mean? 01:30:51 Well, it's not clear what you want. But maybe a displaced array will work. 01:31:40 What I want is: 01:32:01 I have a #2A array. I want to know how long the array in the array is 01:32:05 Ie in my example, 3 01:32:29 2D arrays aren't arrays of arrays. 01:32:37 Okay I think I can rephrase the question 01:32:44 How to find the dimensionality of arrays? 01:32:47 clhs array-dimension 01:32:58 clhs array-rank 01:33:32 haro [~haro@pool-98-116-115-100.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:33:52 Look up array-dimension and array-rank. 01:33:59 Yeah I was doing that. Thanks :] 01:34:12 Is specbot down or am I using it incorrectly? 01:35:02 Don't know. I think yesterday someone did it with a question sort of bot: array-rank? 01:35:11 <_3b> bots seem to be missing at the moment 01:35:22 minion: chant 01:36:59 i probably don't pass the turing test 01:37:27 It's absurd there's no function for (f (make-array dimensions)) ==> dimensions 01:38:11 (defun f (array) (loop for i below (array-rank array) collect (array-dimension array i))) would do it I suppose 01:38:52 <_3b> like ARRAY-DIMENSIONS ? 01:39:21 hehe, yeah 01:39:21 hello _3b 01:39:23 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 01:39:29 And it's even cross-referenced in the array-dimension entry. Imagine that! 01:39:32 _3b, I actually named f to ARRAY-DIMENSINOS :P 01:40:30 <_3b> manic12: 'lo 01:40:45 what have you been up to? 01:40:49 slime stuff? 01:41:41 <_3b> yeah, trying to do some stuff with html , so working on the slime stuff as needed 01:42:37 not familiar with that, what's html canvas, sounds like svg 01:42:46 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10.1 -- Are we there yet?] 01:43:08 <_3b> for drawing on web pages from JS 01:43:36 <_3b> (2d in current browsers, 3d being added) 01:43:40 barcon332 [~barcon332@208.89.210.254] has joined #lisp 01:43:55 interesting 01:44:48 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 01:45:13 is it an open source thing? 01:45:25 <_3b> which 'it'? 01:45:35 canvas 01:45:51 <_3b> it is just a spec, up to browsers to implement it, and many of those are open source 01:46:01 ah 01:46:41 -!- jvia [~via@ip98-176-221-44.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:46:48 i wish my graphics driver supported openvg 01:47:52 asarch [~asarch@189.188.144.5] has joined #lisp 01:51:12 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:37 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:58:35 can anyone guess the meaning of this? 01:58:37 The value of LISPBUILDER-SDL:COLOR is LISPBUILDER-SDL:*WHITE*, which is not of type LISPBUILDER-SDL:COLOR. 01:59:30 maybe the value is the symbol white instead of the value of white evaluated 01:59:45 that would be my guess too 01:59:50 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:53 jcw [~jcw@madder.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 01:59:56 like somebody's got an extra quote or backquote 02:00:27 thanks! you found the bug :-) 02:04:08 jvia [~via@ip98-176-220-233.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:29 -!- jcw [~jcw@madder.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: jcw] 02:07:58 Demosthenes [~demo@dhcp184-49-168-76.univ.buf.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:09 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:21 Okay why is SDL:*default-surface* bound to nil inside WITH-INIT, after having used WINDOW? 02:09:29 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #lisp 02:10:33 ie: (with-init () (window 200 200) *default-surface*) => NIL 02:10:37 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #lisp 02:10:38 -!- curi [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:39 oh it's *default-display* sorry. 02:13:50 -!- Jubb [Jubb@res55553268.rh.rit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:14:51 -!- ljames [~ln@unaffiliated/ljames] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:58 Snamich [~Snamich@166.132.114.9] has joined #lisp 02:16:05 -!- p0a [~p0a@athedsl-4374285.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:18:04 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:10 sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:21:08 TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@cpe-174-100-235-249.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:22:51 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-233-221.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:03 -!- dabd [~dabd@a85-139-103-114.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:25:00 Obfuscate [~keii@ip98-176-17-38.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:17 -!- pinterface [~pinterfac@174-30-74-223.desm.qwest.net] has left #lisp 02:31:05 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 02:37:29 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:40:44 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:41:17 kpreid_ [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:17 -!- kpreid_ [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:41:23 Ambiguity [~Ambiguity@adsl-179-117-51.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:33 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:48:46 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:56 -!- sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:51:56 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:52:53 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:55 squirrel_of_doom [~squirrel_@c-24-62-202-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:01 -!- squirrel_of_doom [~squirrel_@c-24-62-202-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:53:18 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096728509.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:53:26 oconnore [~oconnore@c-24-62-202-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:15 is there a way to se colors to debug streams (*standard-output* *query-io* *trace-output* etc...) in emacs? 02:54:21 se = set 02:55:40 what colors? 02:56:09 hmm. maybe I'm assuming all emacs have colors. 02:56:13 I'm using aquamacs. 02:56:31 Most emacs have colors, or a fallback when they're not available. 02:56:42 it has colors for various things. some sort of salmon color for all output streams. red color for values, blue color for escape chars etc 02:57:06 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 02:57:10 angry-fruit-salad-mode? Or was it font-lock-mode? Whichever. 02:57:26 all streams go to the slime-repl in Slime, there's no distinction 02:58:05 tcr: they do, eh? So really once it's passed into slime, there's no difference. 02:58:07 that's a bummer. 02:58:12 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:27 You could probably separate them out at the protocol level if they aren't already. 02:59:32 Coloring stuff to the streams differenlty is a nice idea; what I'd actually want is to make those go to their own buffer 02:59:46 ... which would enable both ideas. 03:00:21 It's basically done but the emacs-part of the code is ugly 03:00:23 interesting. incf my todo list =) 03:00:48 it's done in slime you mean? 03:01:02 and whoever does it, would be forced to redo quite a bit which then makes it quite a big effort 03:01:13 I'd still like to be able to control the display of slime presentations based on properties of the presented object. 03:01:36 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 03:01:43 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:01:49 But that's so far down my list of things to do that I'll probably never bother. 03:02:18 nyef: you can say that again. So many things in life that are essentially leaked memory pointers 03:02:23 The swank part that prints values (to become presentations) could bind a special that you then could check in a print-object method 03:03:48 Different coloring for different streams may actually be rather easy to add; I bet stassats may be able to do it in an hour 03:03:50 I want to control the emacs display properties as well. 03:04:10 that would be quite cool. 03:04:13 Haha that path lays madness 03:05:18 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:05:25 CL's printing mechanisms are not powerful enough for that 03:05:46 CLIM's are. :-P 03:06:08 How does it integrate with the pretty-printer? 03:06:24 let's say you want to make a :foo foo slot of an instance be specially clickable 03:06:45 print-object methods that call PRESENT when appropriate? 03:07:24 So turn that around and add something like a with-emacs-text-properties macro. 03:07:29 where does PRESENT get the offset from where the slot is going to be printed? 03:08:10 the pretty-printer defers decisions about where things are going to be printed, which is always the problem I encounter when thinking through this 03:08:46 Why would PRESENT need the offset, again? 03:08:47 tcr: can you give me an idea where I Should be looking at for the proposed color modification you talked about? 03:08:48 hm present takes the stream as argument, too? 03:08:53 Yeah. 03:09:03 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:17 You present an object on a stream with an optional presentation type. 03:09:27 Or something like that. 03:09:40 nyef: At some point CLIM must maintain a table with (start, end) coordinates where a presentation resides, no? 03:09:50 visually on the screen 03:09:58 Sortof. A presentation is a subclass of output-record. 03:10:25 So it gets managed by all of the usual output-record tracking. 03:11:17 where does it get that one from if during pretty-printing the final layout is not yet known? 03:11:44 Shaftoe: contrib/slime-repl.el 03:11:53 tcr: thanks 03:12:12 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:12:26 I mean I can envision that in Clim stuff is more a streams of objects? 03:12:50 but then but happens if you, say, write-string to it inside a print-object method? it creates a string object? 03:12:55 It can be in CLIM, but we're talking specifically about the stream case. 03:13:01 -!- Guthur [~michael@host86-160-243-60.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14:01 Perhaps I need to look into how the pprinter works in more detail at some point. 03:14:17 (print-newline :linear), whether or not a newline is inserted depends on what will come right after 03:14:37 I really wonder where presentation get their final offsets from 03:20:54 Shaftoe: I'd first ask stassats 03:21:06 tcr: I will. 03:21:13 I'm just peeking at it. 03:21:24 Shaftoe: Reviewing patches is more tedious than doing the stuff on your own 03:21:28 btw. is stassats the official slime/swank maintainer? 03:21:38 so if he does it, it's more likely to end up in slime quickly 03:21:41 No 03:21:57 what's his relationship with slime/swank? 03:22:06 slime is the emacs part, swank the cl part 03:22:26 right. I'm just asking why it will end up in slime quicker if he does it. 03:22:49 and also if it's kosher to just ask him. I mean I kinda feel weird asking someone else to do stuff for me 03:22:53 If you want to delve in into slime, look into the *slime-events* buffer 03:23:13 and slime-dispatch-event in slime.el, and dispatch-event in swank.lisp 03:23:56 so ka. thanks for the info 03:24:03 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:24:33 Shaftoe: This community is a community of giving and taking. Usually you first have to show that you can give before people let you take though :-) 03:24:59 tcr: yeah, hence the reason for my feeling kinda weird to ask stassats to do it for me. 03:25:33 as an aside, I made a small patch for clsql and sent it to the mailling list, but there is no response... do people actually still use and exist on the mailing list? Does anyone know? 03:26:43 Xach said clsql is still maintained 03:26:52 Wait a week or two, then ping again 03:26:58 will do 03:28:35 justinnew10 [~justinnew@d27-96-50-20.nap.wideopenwest.com] has joined #lisp 03:28:45 Ever have that feeling that it's late, you should be in bed, but you've got a build going, and you know that if it fails you're likely to try and debug it and kick off another build, even if it means staying up another hour? 03:29:32 baddog [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:29:40 -!- baddog is now known as Guest58719 03:29:49 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:30:05 nyef: all the time. 03:30:07 -!- Guest58719 [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:30:07 Guest58719 [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 03:30:10 although, builds are not my bane. 03:30:13 -!- Guest58719 is now known as baddog 03:30:31 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 03:30:35 Half an hour per build here. 03:30:45 crazy talk =) 03:30:53 Yeah, I know. 03:31:02 back in 2000 I used to have that. I haven't been on build based systems in a long time. 03:31:21 I'd -love- to have a parallel build, the test suite distributed over a cluster, etc., so the entire thing takes ten minutes max. 03:31:21 what kind of app takes half an hour to build? 03:31:24 SBCL. 03:31:36 hah. of course. I should have known. 03:32:03 is that possible and there's just been no time to do it? 03:32:17 or is it not possible because of the build process itself? 03:32:32 I'm one of those that got into lisp for the sheer convenience of being able to hack a running image, only to get sucked into hacking low-level junk, C, etc. 03:32:46 hah! 03:32:57 It's not possible to parallelize the -build-, but the test-suite could be distributed over a cluster fairly easily. 03:33:00 that's funny. I got into lisp for the same reason 03:33:39 why's it not possible? Btw, I'm not really familiar with sbcl internals (although I use sbcl). is there much C? or is it only for hte bootstrapping process? 03:33:44 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:33:59 C is something like less than ten percent of the system. 03:34:04 I forget the actual ratios. 03:34:21 my time and resources are going to clear up next year (I'm currently renovating my house and running a company). so I might actually want to do some contribution work later on 03:34:36 The C code is in charge of loading and saving core files, unix signal handling, GC, and that sort of thing. 03:34:39 so how does the build process work. is it a lisp image doing work? 03:34:55 (and the lisp image invokes gcc or something like it)? 03:35:08 The overall build is managed by shell scripts. 03:35:20 <_3b> you can run the C part of the bulid with make -j 03:35:22 and the build tools are? gcc sbcl? 03:35:26 *_3b* suspects that wouldn't help much here though 03:35:33 Yeah, you need gcc and a host lisp. 03:35:52 are these spawned or long running? I bet gcc is spawned. but is the lisp long running? 03:35:55 And no, the bottleneck is the completely serialized build dependencies for the lisp stuff. 03:36:01 It was such a pity when I was building sbcl on a 8core, and only one cpu was being used :-) 03:36:04 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:36:08 aye. was guessing that's what the deal was. 03:36:20 <_3b> tcr: so run multiple builds at once :p 03:36:34 The host lisp is invoked something like three times, the target lisp twice plus once or twice per contrib. 03:36:42 is this a side-effect of how build units work in lisp? 03:37:17 No, SBCL's build process is peculiar to itself. 03:37:25 still Common Lisp has many warts that prevent highly parallelization 03:37:55 It's partly how compilation units and build dependencies work in lisp, partly the tangled dependency chain in SBCL, and partly the utter insanity of the cross-compiler->target-image communication. 03:38:01 I think I misunderstood you. So I guess what you're saying is that there's package dependencies, even though inside a package the build might be parallelizable to an extent, your serialized by packages, right? 03:38:26 your = you're 03:38:35 Sounds like people who want to get good parallezation out of Lisp actually run multiple processes 03:38:38 It's worse than that. 03:38:45 do tell 03:39:31 Some build steps have side-effects. 03:39:39 That aren't reproduced in fasls. 03:39:59 hmm. where are they? 03:40:07 So you can -only- reproduce them by recompiling the file. 03:40:21 (Hence slam.sh and the after-xc core.) 03:40:31 One place is the disassembler. 03:41:16 There's a spot where a macro expander just up and calls EVAL on some function definitions. Not the expansion, the -expander-. 03:41:43 And it becomes a case of "good luck finding -that- function anywhere". 03:42:00 ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:45 -!- barcon332 [~barcon332@208.89.210.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:42:46 so - forgive my ignorance - , but I'm guessing what you're saying here is that when you build you modify the lisp image but the changes aren't necessarily reflected in the fasl? 03:43:00 There are a few places like that, yes. 03:43:03 and you have floaters in your image but not on file? 03:43:04 ok. 03:43:19 And there's still the whole tangled-dependency-chain thing. 03:43:47 I must say, this thing intrigues me. I feel the seed of an urge to "solve" it. =) 03:44:02 It is by no means low-hanging fruit. 03:44:07 lol 03:44:17 pshhah... low hanging fruit are lame.. 03:44:24 ;) 03:44:28 Damnit, I got a mostly-clean build but it still didn't -work-. :-/ 03:44:48 hooray for coffeine 03:45:00 well, I'm working late too. so I can ask questions about sbcl for a while more 03:45:05 hohoho [~hohoho@p4ae269.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:45:13 Although... 03:45:36 *nyef* tries the contribs again, this time with top running in another window. 03:46:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:46:57 Hrm. sbcl dropped off the bottom of the screen. 03:47:14 And I've just realized that I need to audit the -runtime- for memory barriers, too. 03:49:31 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:50:24 Two threads in futex_wait(), one in pthread_cond_wait() from gc_stop_the_world(), and one in 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joined #lisp 05:06:33 hi guys 05:06:36  sbcl 05:06:36 fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 7798: 05:06:36 can't find core file at /usr/local/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core 05:06:46 getting above error for sbcl installed with homebrew on mac 05:06:56 slime wants lisp to be installed 05:07:09 is there any easy way to install lisp on mac 05:07:15 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 05:08:11 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 05:08:14 Go to sourceforge and pick the right binary distribution. 05:10:07 baddog [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:10:18 -!- baddog is now known as Guest69103 05:10:52 beach: it's correct one 1.0.29 05:11:03 -!- ntd [~user@209-6-44-44.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:12:49 -!- jvia [~via@ip98-176-220-233.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:01 rubydiamond: read INSTALL, section 1.2 05:13:16 btw my sbcl.core is in 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I want the output of the parse to be (let (x) (setf x 1)). The only way I've found to get X from "X" is to intern X. But in my output X isnt actualy interned, correct? The let is actually a lambda expression, and X is a parameter. 06:08:14 That x is interned. 06:08:25 It has to be so that both x's are the same x. 06:08:27 Zhivago: the X in the let form? 06:08:32 Sure. 06:08:44 ok 06:08:56 Interning is what causes a particular string to map to a particlar symbol. 06:11:39 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:11:43 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:11:49 hrm, so after I exit the let, the x is still interned, just not bound? 06:12:05 You must differentiate between the symbol and the variable. 06:12:06 unless, it's special 06:12:16 Here X names a variable, but is not itself a variabe. 06:12:31 ah 06:12:32 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:12:37 And yes, it remains interned, although uninterning it afterward wouldn't be a problem. 06:12:50 -!- troussan [~user@cpe-66-91-114-23.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13:00 ok, thanks Zhivago 06:13:46 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has joined #lisp 06:15:58 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16:04 relcomp [~chatzilla@e180064099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 06:17:01 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17:01 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@e180064099.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 06:18:42 -!- akamaus [~maus@94.231.115.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:21:31 _2x2l [~andrew@c-71-233-209-245.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:21:37 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:23:57 -!- aidalgol [~user@118.148.170.90] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:29:25 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:31:14 Xach: sure, I could add binary-types to github. 06:36:31 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:38:01 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-164-198.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 06:42:10 ASau [~user@77.246.230.225] has joined #lisp 06:44:33 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-54-84.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:45:48 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 06:49:39 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:49:57 good morning 06:51:25 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-48-151.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 06:53:53 Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has joined #lisp 06:54:22 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:55:27 akamaus [~maus@95.106.123.104] has joined #lisp 06:56:30 splittist [~David@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 06:56:33 morning 06:56:52 No ITA reference in the Topic? 06:56:59 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 06:59:16 We're desperately waiting for all the upcoming Paul Grahams who will start writing articles in the months comming 07:03:51 HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 07:04:52 -!- kleppari_ [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:06:36 mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has joined #lisp 07:12:36 cmm [~cmm@109.64.200.182] has joined #lisp 07:19:49 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:27:45 hello mvilleneuve, hello splittist 07:27:54 splittist: What happened to ITA? 07:27:55 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:28:13 -!- aeultrapl [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:31:15 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 07:33:48 <_2x2l> spiaggia: google buy out for 700 MM USD 07:34:02 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 07:34:27 _2x2l: Oh, I thought that happened weeks ago. 07:35:28 aw [~aw@162.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 07:35:47 strictly speaking, it hasn't happened yet 07:36:02 xan_ [~xan@chello213047069075.1.13.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 07:36:44 I wonder if they'll have to rewrite everything in python. 07:37:18 Google might be smarter than Yahoo. 07:37:19 hello spiaggia 07:38:03 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:38:41 I wonder what that means for all the guys consulting on the AC project 07:40:38 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:40:47 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:42:39 Edward_ [~edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-7-195.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:43:31 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:47:07 I look forward to the google lisp styleguide. 07:48:00 ll 07:51:48 And the Java syntax front end to the python compiler... 07:58:21 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 07:59:11 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 08:00:26 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 08:00:42 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:44 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 08:03:40 If you have #P"/some/base/" and #"/some/base/more/here/foo.bar"; what's the best way to get #P"more/here/foo.bar" ? 08:04:02 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-82-127.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:05:24 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:06:37 pity, member does not take :from-end 08:07:53 tcr: (enough-namestring #"/some/base/more/here/foo.bar" #P"/some/base/") 08:08:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:08:48 cool 08:08:51 Edward__ [~edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-25-252.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:10:50 -!- Edward_ [~edward@AAubervilliers-154-1-7-195.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:11:46 Is there also a better way to find out whether or not the first argument is actually relative to the second? 08:11:57 than to compare the return value of enough-namestring 08:13:58 oh I don't need that 08:18:11 fwiw, (pathname-match-p #P"/some/base/more/here/foo.bar" #P"/some/base/**/") 08:18:22 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 08:21:50 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 08:26:16 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 08:28:07 (asdf:load-system :sb-sprof) gives an error here 08:28:16 .39.22 08:28:18 so google is buying ITA. nice. 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How true is that as it stands today? 10:36:38 frodef: tusen tack 10:36:52 malorie: you probably want to return s instead of pritning it 10:38:21 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:11 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.135.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:40:23 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 10:42:55 leo2007: basically still true 10:43:55 but linux threading is considered solid? 10:44:38 tcr: thanks for confirming that. 10:44:43 yeah, freebsd actually too I think 10:46:00 solid enough for a recent google acquisition (: 10:46:48 They don't use threads with sbcl, do they? 10:47:14 I thought they do. 10:47:20 (they being ITA) 10:47:20 which acquisition? 10:47:25 *rsynnott* was impressed at the price paid 10:47:56 I think it makes lots of sense to use unithreaded sbcl; just a few hours ago I profiled a script and it spent ~20% in the cleanup-clause of call-with-system-mutex even though I don't use threads 10:48:22 antifuchs: My memory tells me they use parallel unithreaded sbcl processes 10:48:38 not sure. they paid more for youtube, and qpx has a good business behind it (: 10:48:46 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 10:48:56 ok then (: 10:49:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:51:48 *Xach* uses threaded sbcl (and tbnl), so the wigflip acquisition will determine the viability of those strategies 10:51:53 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 10:51:59 haha 10:52:29 *antifuchs* remembers that he clicked on "acquisition exit" in that poll way back when. 10:54:12 Xach: http://codepad.org/T8OQXnJt ? 10:54:53 Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 10:55:52 malorie: look up multiple-value-bind 10:56:07 and run (truncate 1003 10) at the repl and see what its results are 10:56:24 malorie: that's vaguely the idea. i don't think anyone with CL experience would write DO like that. and using setq on unbound variables isn't a good idea. and returning a value vs printing it. 10:57:30 sadly, i don't got any CL experience yet.. but thanks for all the hints! 10:57:58 multiple-value-setq is correct -- just need a let to bind tmp. 10:58:49 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:58:54 Zhivago: although it even works without it? 10:59:54 malorie: It depends on what you mean by "work". 11:00:02 are you using CLISP? 11:00:03 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 11:00:08 yes 11:00:20 because that's the only one I know that would assume "tmp" is a global variable 11:00:22 malorie: Accidents will happen ... 11:00:23 without any warnings 11:00:34 ah. i see. 11:00:49 so tmp isn't scoped to your body there, as far as I can tell 11:01:03 And you lack a defvar or defparameter, so ... 11:01:07 malorie: (= n 0) is usually written (zerop n) and (setf s (+ s tmp)) is usually written (incf s temp) 11:01:09 ... it isn't a variable name. 11:01:18 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: astoon] 11:01:19 tcr: in a uni-threaded sbcl, is there other way for writing parallel program? 11:01:33 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 11:01:39 fork? 11:01:58 leo: I am partial to futures, myself. But they require a cps transform to use in sbcl. 11:02:09 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:04:00 is cps 'Continuation-passing style', Zhivago? 11:04:28 -!- dym [~dym@217.20.175.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:04:42 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 11:06:43 ok, it's time to discuss lisp and literate programming 11:06:48 anyone into org-babel? 11:06:50 Make it so. 11:07:02 i'm checking it out and making a preliminary babel-cl thing 11:07:10 http://github.com/dto/org-babel-lisp/blob/master/org-babel-lisp.el 11:07:24 Xach: i'm having one of those wake up at 3am with a big idea days 11:08:07 dto: Brother, the last 5 weeks have been like that for me! 11:08:09 http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/intro.php <---- the babel page is here 11:08:14 Xach: what's been cooking? 11:08:17 quicklisp 11:08:41 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 11:09:18 oh yeah. 11:09:39 should i discard CLISP and rather go with SBCL? 11:09:49 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@121.243.225.226] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:10:01 malorie: i don't think it'll make a huge difference when learning 11:10:16 you'll get far more warnings & notes about your style, which can be very useful to learn the "lispy" way, not just find something that happens to work 11:10:29 the "sbcly" way, anyway 11:10:39 but if you plan on using SBCL in the future, better start earlier 11:10:40 yeah, close enough though ;) 11:11:23 dto: i'm hoping easy access to e.g. cl-opengl and lispbuilder tools will make it easier to get started on fun stuff 11:11:58 rayshiki [~ananthrk@121.240.157.179] has joined #lisp 11:12:02 Xach: yes. that's the route i plan on going. 11:12:07 cl-opengl and lb-sdl 11:13:29 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-101-182.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 11:13:39 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:15:56 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-237-76.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:16:01 zero to open-a-window-and-splat-stuff-on-it in record time 11:19:10 -!- rayshiki [~ananthrk@121.240.157.179] has left #lisp 11:19:51 rayshiki [~rayshiki@121.240.157.179] has joined #lisp 11:20:05 -!- rayshiki [~rayshiki@121.240.157.179] has left #lisp 11:21:54 ZabaQ [~john.conn@117.102-84-212.ippool.ndo.com] has joined #lisp 11:25:28 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@p4ae269.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:25:57 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:45 dym [~dym@217.20.175.226] has joined #lisp 11:27:47 there's no shortcut in slime to remove a compiler macro, is there? 11:28:24 leo2007: inspector 11:28:53 mrSpec [~michal@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:29:06 stassats`: that's what I did. go to the inspector and unintern it and then re-eval the function. 11:29:26 eh? 11:30:32 go to inspector and remove it, don't reeval anything (unless you need to) 11:31:25 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 11:31:46 stassats`: thanks. the [remove it] was too far off that I didn't see it. 11:32:18 stassats`: like this http://imagebin.org/103788 11:32:52 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:36:21 hankhero [~Adium@c213-89-201-154.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 11:38:01 Xach: Which introduction to cl-opengl would you suggest.? I'm planning to use it, too. 11:38:20 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:38:33 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 11:41:18 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 11:41:57 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:13 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:42:14 revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 11:44:04 Edward__ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-88-90.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:44:08 fiveop [~fiveop@g229240199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:45:26 -!- Edward_ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-30-65.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:47:14 *splittist* tries to compile 1.0.40 on his Win7 nettop, wonders if quicklisp will be finished first 11:49:32 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:26 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-17-116-185.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:20 could anyone link me a webpage about lisp code indentation best practices? 11:53:18 -!- mulander [mulander@078088239019.lubin.vectranet.pl] has left #lisp 11:54:09 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 11:54:34 Blkt: norvig and taube are linked at http://www.cliki.net/document 11:54:48 grouzen_ [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 11:54:51 http://www.labri.fr/perso/strandh/Teaching/MTP/Common/Strandh-Tutorial/indentation.html 11:55:12 thanks guys 11:56:24 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: hefner] 11:58:09 asarch [~asarch@187.132.131.122] has joined #lisp 11:58:42 now it links to strandh too :) 12:01:08 barcon332 [~barcon332@208.89.210.254] has joined #lisp 12:03:14 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 12:03:30 badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:03:30 -!- badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 12:03:30 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 12:03:32 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:43 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 12:04:56 -!- akamaus [~maus@95.106.123.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:05:24 relcomp: i don't have a suggestion, sorry...never tried it 12:06:16 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:06:25 boo. sbcl 1.0.40 compilation blows up with 'as: unrecognised option `-O3'' (on mingw Win7) 12:06:49 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:06:55 for me, I hasten to add, so it is no doubt user error. 12:07:37 Well, it's in the C bit of things. 12:07:42 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 12:07:48 You might want to check how you configured that. 12:08:52 fiveop_ [~fiveop@g229240199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:08:53 -!- fiveop_ [~fiveop@g229240199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 12:09:02 Zhivago: indeed. I was rather hoping not to have to look at makefiles etc. at all - a vain hope if I'm actually compiling things, of course. 12:09:25 I'm wanting to learn cl-opengl, and I understand C/C++ fairly decent, should I read cl-opengl tutorials, or C++ opengl tutorials, seeing how the functions and everything are pretty much the same..only in lisp 12:09:55 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 12:11:09 zcgii: An inspired notion. 12:11:15 I found the Towers game really easy to understand. It uses cl-opengl. 12:11:51 Zhivago: huh? 12:11:51 http://github.com/death/towers 12:12:22 srcerer_ [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 12:12:52 zcgii: Ah well, you can learn English next time. 12:13:43 Zhivago: I speak english 12:13:54 An interesting theory. 12:14:12 Zhivago: git out of psychoanalyze-pinhead 12:14:22 get* 12:15:12 rubydiamond [~rubydiamo@unaffiliated/rubydiamond] has joined #lisp 12:15:21 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:15:27 zcgii: Could you translate that into English, please? 12:15:42 Zhivago: get out of M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead 12:16:00 I am not in M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead. 12:16:20 Zhivago: you seem as if you were a bot to act like psychoanalyze-pinhead =P 12:17:18 zc00gii: I think you have the direction of inspiration the wrong way around 12:17:46 splittist: I'm not talking about inspiration at all 12:18:05 just wondering if I should find opengl tutorials for C++ or lisp 12:18:59 zcgii: An inspired notion. 12:19:20 zc00gii: I don't think there are opengl tutorials for cl-opengl. 12:20:21 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 12:20:41 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 12:23:56 Xach: ok then, I'll look at opengl tutorials for c/c++ 12:26:11 hah, never occurred to me before, but I could easily parallelize the build of my ECL-based amusements (although with none of them taking >10-20 seconds to build from scratch, it would be a silly misdirection of effort) 12:32:57 -!- cmsimon [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:15 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:34:14 PaulWhoIsAGhost [~linus@128-23-138-13.musc.edu] has joined #lisp 12:35:34 zoldar [~zoldar@ip6.ima.pl] has joined #lisp 12:35:48 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:06 -!- avar [avar@wikipedia/avar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:15 aeultrapl [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 12:36:52 -!- aeultrapl is now known as CrazyEddy 12:37:10 I'm trying to compile a glu bindings git that uses a ffi, but it dpesm 12:37:20 doesn't say what ff, is tere a way I can find out? 12:37:32 glu bindings kit* 12:37:42 zc00gii: what is the name of the glu bindings kit? 12:38:00 zc00gii: many ffi-using things use cffi. 12:38:07 Xach: it has no name, it's just "glu" 12:38:16 the file name is glu.lisp 12:38:30 Xach: so should I make a ffi package and (use :ffi)? 12:38:36 zc00gii: where did you find it? 12:38:36 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:38:45 hello, I'm having problem with cl-prevalence but I'm not sure if I'm using it right. On the first run all runs fine but when I start it again with snapshot present I get an error "There is no class named TEXT" even though I can see it snapshot.xml itself. What am I doing wrong? 12:38:47 http://bitbucket.org/zoldar/typer_public/src/tip/src/server-data.lisp 12:38:51 http://hocwp.free.fr/ah2cl/test-openGL/opengl/glu.lisp 12:38:54 zc00gii: maybe you could use cl-glut from cl-opengl instead. 12:39:03 oh, there is a cl-glut? 12:39:04 thanks 12:39:05 zc00gii: that comes with cl-opengl and it works with cffi. 12:41:41 Xach: mm, glut != glu 12:41:59 Oh, sorry. 12:42:14 zc00gii: cl-opengl also provides cl-glu. 12:43:15 oh 12:45:02 -!- Guest31596 is now known as pkhuong 12:45:17 I'm no cl-opengl expert, I just recently compiled a big list of projects and what they provide and what they require. 12:45:53 Xach: hm 12:46:19 -!- rubydiamond [~rubydiamo@unaffiliated/rubydiamond] has left #lisp 12:46:32 Xach: odd, cl-glu exports nothing 12:46:51 so always double colons, I guess 12:47:21 zc00gii: incorrect. it exports several things. 12:47:43 Xach: doesn't appear to 12:48:08 How are you checking? I see a dozen or so exported symbols. 12:48:13 not going to dig into ~/.sbcl to prove you wrong, but glu: does nothing 12:48:28 http://dropoff.org/trvo/glu has the exports. 12:48:57 i got that by (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op 'cl-glu) and looking for external symbols. 12:50:01 zc00gii: http://github.com/3b/cl-opengl/blob/master/glu/package.lisp#L38 12:50:11 there are exported functions 12:50:15 [Can't find completion for "glu:"], and that doesn't work for me, perhaps different packages 12:50:28 Patzy: I'd bet I have a different package 12:50:35 different version or something 12:50:44 zc00gii: http://github.com/3b/cl-opengl 12:50:50 this is the current official repo 12:51:03 Patzy! 12:51:38 Patzy: I used asdf-install to install it 12:51:50 Patzy: glaw-sdl won't load for me. is that something you care about? 12:51:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 12:52:11 zc00gii: you should clone that github repo instead 12:52:34 Xach: ho, it's been a while since I tested glaw with SDL, I'm gonna look at this 12:53:06 http://www.xach.com/tmp/fails/fail_glaw_glaw-sdl_glaw-sdl.txt is my failure log 12:53:20 Xach: nice I was just about to ask for this :) 12:53:27 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 12:54:05 ho I see I changed some font stuff and I probably missed glaw-sdl.lisp update 12:54:15 http://src.quicklisp.org/systems/2010-07-02/systems.txt is a recent systems-that-build-for-me list. 12:55:15 (509! woo!) 12:55:32 *Xach* decides to count all the *-test and other metasystems as wins 12:56:22 Xach: Yay! That offer from Google can't be far away... 12:56:42 Xach: hey. 12:56:52 What does quicklisp do different from the other projects you've listed? 12:56:59 Xach: my ideas have crystallized and i have some basic working code :) http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/27060 12:58:38 Patzy: well 12:58:42 still isn't doing anything 12:59:00 and Ijust cloned the git and linked the .asd 12:59:15 'll try restarting lisp... 12:59:35 ahh 12:59:39 didn't (require :glu) 12:59:55 Xach: why have you duplicates on some dependencies lists? 13:00:13 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:00:34 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:03:40 -!- a-s [~user@lixandru-ag.mediasat.ro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:42 akamaus [~maus@94.231.115.107] has joined #lisp 13:05:13 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hzdgxvlwteuqsesh] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06:52 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has joined #lisp 13:07:22 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:09:18 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09:41 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:46 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.118.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:10:19 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:10:29 tcr [~tcr@118.101.118.3] has joined #lisp 13:13:19 Xach: what's the format of systems.txt ? 13:13:43 some lines contain the same string thrice 13:13:58 like "anaphora anaphora anaphora" 13:14:36 it's a dare to say it three times fast, and the computer is winning. 13:15:43 gah - now as doesn't like any of the ('s! 13:17:03 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:17:51 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: astoon] 13:19:39 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-114-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:09 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: hefner] 13:20:16 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-114-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:21:08 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:29 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:48 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:22:54 fe[nl]ix: the format is: project-name system-file system-name &rest dependencies 13:23:06 Patzy: which in particular? could be a bug. 13:23:50 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.118.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:04 -!- revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 13:24:07 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:25:00 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:25:53 Xach: I think I was refering to the same thing fe[nl]ix noticed 13:26:16 Does my explanation make sense to you? 13:27:03 yes 13:27:06 I chose that format because the project name does not always reflect the system name (e.g. cl-yacc has yacc.asd) and a single system file may describe several different systems (e.g. cxml.asd describes cxml, cxml-klacks, etc) 13:29:02 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has joined #lisp 13:29:32 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-164-198.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:37 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.9] 13:33:53 tcr [~tcr@118.101.118.3] has joined #lisp 13:35:01 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 13:35:46 felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has joined #lisp 13:36:44 alec [~aberryman@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:39:36 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:54 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:00 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:58 *Xach* should make a new graphviz pdf with all his new info 13:41:58 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:13 G''morning all. 13:43:27 yo nyef 13:43:28 -!- pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:31 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@195.37.186.62] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.5/20100623161114]] 13:43:37 hi nyef 13:43:37 pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:44:06 -!- pkhuong is now known as Guest94389 13:45:29 morning 13:46:11 *nyef* is trying to track down a failure to stop for gc. 13:47:13 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:48:25 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:26 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-102-45-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:43 So, naturally, I can't get a lisp backtrace when it's stopped. :-/ 13:50:21 even with ldb? 13:50:22 -!- Guest94389 [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:43 or rather, calling ldb from gdb 13:50:49 Hrm. Didn't try thread apply 1 call monitor_or_something(), I probably should. 13:51:22 pkhuong__ [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:51:25 call backtrace_from_fp($rbp) 13:51:45 (or something similar on riscs) 13:52:55 It's actually backtrace(nframes) there. 13:53:05 ... I think. 13:53:42 sounds right 13:53:48 But that seems to kill the process. 13:54:49 Really, though, it's in futex_wait(), which means get-mutex or condition-wait. 13:55:50 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:01:58 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:02:48 -!- PaulWhoIsAGhost [~linus@128-23-138-13.musc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:02:58 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 14:05:31 fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a85-138-208-213.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 14:07:37 jsnell: are you fare's boss now? :) 14:08:30 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:55 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:10:01 heh, hardly. but grats to ITA :-) 14:10:14 tee hee 14:13:00 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:13:21 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-158.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13:35 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:16:06 rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #lisp 14:17:29 jsnell: more importantly, are you VERY RICH from your accumulated ITA stock options from highly lucrative SBCL consultancy? 14:17:49 even if he is, he'll have a ways to catch up with slyrus 14:18:40 yeah 14:19:38 -!- Ambiguity [~Ambiguity@adsl-179-117-51.gnv.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 14:20:33 how's the wig flipping business? 14:20:55 Slow this month. The french teens have moved on to new fads. 14:21:09 tough crowd 14:23:49 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757503.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:44 Krystof: no, so I'll just have to drown my sorrows for missed VERY RICHness in newcastle brown ale 14:26:06 Hrm. All of these threads are set *interrupts-enabled* = nil, *interrupts-pending* = nil, except for the stopped one, which is enabled = t. 14:26:40 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:28:01 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096728509.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:30:08 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:30:27 jsnell: shame. Still, maybe it will make your googlestock more valuable 14:30:56 And, natch, the threads in futex_wait have stop-for-gc-pending set. 14:33:11 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 14:33:47 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: hefner] 14:33:56 ... They're in futex-wait. futex-wait enables interrupts. WTF? 14:36:33 sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-232-77.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:09 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:37:46 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 14:37:47 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 14:37:47 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #lisp 14:39:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:39:57 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-240-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:44:00 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 14:44:46 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:28 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:49:09 jsnell: excellent taste in beer 14:53:36 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.131.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:28 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 14:55:18 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 14:56:10 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:57:00 nyef: it's not unconditionally enabling interrupts though, right? 14:57:13 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:19 I... thought it was? 14:57:56 xan_ [~xan@chello213047069075.1.13.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 14:58:00 that is, isn't the protocol of with-interrupts such that you need to have a matching allow-interrupts on the call stack for each without-interrupts 14:58:13 err... allow-with-interrupts 14:58:38 I'll have to dig into that again, I guess. 14:58:56 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:39 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:00:09 Hrm. Looks like one of the threads has gc-inhibit set? 15:00:58 -!- pkhuong__ is now known as pkhuong 15:01:05 roygbiv [~JohnRambo@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 15:01:16 and is waiting for a lock held by a thread that didn't inhibit gc? 15:01:32 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-82-127.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:01:49 -!- zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:02:04 I would presume so, but am not certain. 15:02:05 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 15:04:50 I doubt anyone cares, but it might serve useful, I was bored and made c-style "pointer" read macros http://gist.github.com/461464 15:05:12 ugh, closure-html slips some macro-characters 15:05:43 -!- symbole_ [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has left #lisp 15:05:51 you can do stuff like...bah I'll just paste a repl log using it 15:06:15 symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:24 zc00gii: that's... pointless 15:06:42 stassats: yes, I didn't know better, and named-readtables didn't exist, so I left the code as is. (It's probably closure-common which is at fault, right?) 15:06:43 stassats: I was bored =P 15:06:59 lichtblau: right 15:07:14 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:45 http://gist.github.com/461474 15:08:53 I also wonder what's up with the bug reports regarding a duplicate definition warning in closure html on LispWorks. Since when is it disallowed to redefine a function in Lisp? Has ASDF started treating warnings as errors on non-SBCL? 15:09:33 stassats: it certainly is nice to evaluate a quote with * 15:09:47 zc00gii: it's not 15:09:51 lichtblau: it's a full-blown warning? 15:09:53 stassats: sure it is 15:10:05 lichtblau: is it a redefinition of a function in the same compilation unit 15:10:07 ? 15:10:21 lichtblau: for one thing, duplicate definitions are confusing 15:10:33 in the same compilation unit 15:10:40 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:11:52 I imagine it would be, because ASDF puts everything into a huge compilation unit. 15:11:54 -!- billitch2 [~billitch@e179149038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:05 well, it's in the same file 15:12:26 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 15:13:41 oh wait, your bug report is distinct from the LW one 15:13:59 -!- sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-232-77.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:15:55 okay, closure-html.asd does (setf (operation-on-failure o) :warn). Probably ASDF2 breaks that feature? 15:15:56 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:02 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16:03 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 15:16:29 is it better than fixing warnings? 15:17:05 lichtblau: but it was somewhat broken, but should be fixed now 15:18:48 -!- srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 15:19:57 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.154.190] has joined #lisp 15:21:54 callen [~callen@unaffiliated/callen] has joined #lisp 15:23:56 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:03 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 15:25:31 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:56 mcc [~mike@ip68-104-164-151.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:58 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:29 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has joined #lisp 15:27:30 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:30:19 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:30:44 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30:55 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-232-77.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:31:56 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 15:32:24 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest89574 15:34:14 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@32.171.38.251] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 15:34:25 hypno [~hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has joined #lisp 15:37:04 -!- ASau [~user@77.246.230.225] has quit [Quit: off] 15:37:10 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229240199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 15:41:41 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 15:45:07 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:05 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:45 NL > BR, 2-1 fyeah 15:52:30 stlolman: that's irrelevant to this channel 15:56:34 fe[nl]ix: are you still having problems with cl-net? 15:57:20 let me try 15:57:21 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:21 we fe[nl]ix 16:01:50 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.154.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:23 hi Blkt 16:05:18 -!- benny [~user@i577A7971.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:54 drewc: yes. ~60% of the darcs pull commands timeout 16:05:57 and one cvs update 16:07:16 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:07:59 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:49 fe[nl]ix: that's odd... i'm not losing packets here or anything... can you ping without problems? 16:09:35 FWIW, I was also having problems with cl-net yesterday. scp to cl-net would cause my scp to fail with a floating-point-exception of some sort. 16:09:42 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:09:51 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 16:10:29 there was a problem with networking yesterday, but i fixed it... now i have no idea what's wrong :/ 16:10:53 drewc: ping seems to be ok 16:11:09 Oh, ok. Haven't tried scp today. CVS seems to work ok, though. 16:11:53 fe[nl]ix: can you give me a darcs url that's timing out? 16:12:16 hefner_ [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:12:24 jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:12:24 fe[nl]ix: Should be able to do whatever (within reason) you want on encoding and decoding errors on external formats. 16:12:40 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:41 -!- hefner_ is now known as hefner 16:14:23 brett_h [~brett@pool-173-74-117-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:05 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.155.255] has joined #lisp 16:15:12 -!- Guest89574 [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 16:15:20 stassats: we were talking with tcr and nyef last night about the possibility of having different colors in the slime repl for the various output streams (*debug-io* *error-output* *standard-output* etc). What think you of that? 16:15:46 sounds like christmas! 16:16:14 Shaftoe: i don't know without trying 16:16:43 stassats: ok. just to be clear, tcr recommended I tell you about it first before I delve into it. 16:16:50 -!- mrSpec [~michal@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:19:05 fe[nl]ix: i just pulled some 20 darcs from clbuild without issue... many were on cl-net 16:19:21 -!- fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a85-138-208-213.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:31 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@62.32.132.253] has quit [] 16:20:57 mrbug [~user@unaffiliated/mrbug] has joined #lisp 16:21:55 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:11 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:23:18 -!- Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 16:24:10 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:29 drewc: http://common-lisp.net/project/bese/repos/arnesi_dev 16:24:44 TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@rrcs-24-106-240-44.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:24:56 I just tried 20 pulls of arnesi, and 10 failed 16:25:37 matterative [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:26:03 -!- matterative is now known as CrazyEddy 16:26:15 drewc: I'll reboot the modem, then retry 16:27:48 -!- abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:28:05 tcr1 [~tcr@118.101.6.156] has joined #lisp 16:29:04 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.118.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32:31 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-55-213-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:32:40 moah [~gnu@178.1.127.144] has joined #lisp 16:34:54 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:45 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-22.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:36:36 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:39:36 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:42 -!- zoldar [~zoldar@ip6.ima.pl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:41:41 -!- moah [~gnu@178.1.127.144] has left #lisp 16:42:18 moah [~gnu@178.1.127.144] has joined #lisp 16:42:33 ... Why is the static-symbol *IN-WITHOUT-GCING* globally unbound and not have a tls index assigned? 16:43:45 -!- mcc [~mike@ip68-104-164-151.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:44:15 Ah. Because it's sb!vm::*in-without-gcing*, not sb!impl::*in-without-gcing*. 16:44:15 drewc: 6/20 now 16:44:26 benny [~user@i577A7D92.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:44:36 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:44:49 jp_larocque [~jp_larocq@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has joined #lisp 16:47:26 austinh [~austinh@c-24-21-81-46.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:32 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:51:34 Hun [~hun@95-89-68-85-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:53:24 fe[nl]ix: odd. I just did 40 gets and 40 pulls without issue. does traceroute shed any light on the subject? 16:57:13 http://data.xach.com/lisp/quicklisp-systems.pdf has another big, messy graph 16:57:33 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 16:58:57 Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:59:31 milanj [~milanj_@178.223.147.14] has joined #lisp 17:00:06 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 17:00:59 ... Non-x86oid targets pin by disabling GC on call-out, don't they? 17:01:36 mm. right. 17:01:46 *nyef* feels queasy. 17:02:35 Xach: those graphs are never as edifying as it seems like they will be before you make them, eh. 17:03:13 gigamonkey: it's given me some ideas 17:04:14 Well, that explains the lockup I'm seeing. :-( 17:05:41 gigamonkey: btw, do you have any projects i should include? 17:06:13 Fare: ping 17:06:44 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-55-213-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:52 Now I just need to figure out how to make this not suck. 17:09:00 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@221.162.108.173] has joined #lisp 17:09:47 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/112091 is the list of libs I have installed. 17:09:52 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-194-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 17:11:07 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:12 gigamonkey: ah, i meant gigamonkey-ware 17:11:21 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:07 pavelludiq_ [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has joined #lisp 17:15:07 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:29 -!- pavelludiq_ [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has quit [Client Quit] 17:15:38 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:48 Xach: hmm, that graph made evince consume 4gb ram 17:15:55 *rsynnott* just got back control of computer 17:16:57 oh? dang 17:16:58 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17:00 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.30.106] has joined #lisp 17:17:02 *stassats* views fine in Okular 17:17:13 sorry about that. i use evince, but i have 6GB 17:17:21 *Xach* forgets sometimes 17:18:16 what's the meaning of different colors? 17:18:38 i'd like to try something like http://weitz.de/capi-overview/capi-small/ 17:18:41 it was fine until I tried to zoom in, oddly 17:18:55 stassats: more :depends-on means more blue 17:18:56 worse, I can view it fine on my two-year-old smartphone :) 17:19:44 color => needs count, size => needed-by count 17:23:15 Xach: yeah, well, someday maybe I'll get my stuff into some kind of usable shape. You know the story. 17:23:20 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:24:04 Get the kids to finish it off. Become an "idea man". 17:24:17 I once made a graph of all the classes and their dependencies in a big Java system I was working on. It was, as these things always are, a huge mess. 17:24:34 However at the center of the graph was a class "Magic" which held magic numbers used throughout the system. 17:25:04 a friend of mine at redhat made this a few years ago http://adrian.gimp.org/rpm-graph/rpm-graph-1.jpg 17:25:05 One rather astute investor coming through the office saw the graph on my door, looked at it for a few minutes, and then said, "Well, I'm glad to see it all depends on magic." 17:26:18 lol, the only user of series is series-test :) 17:27:02 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:36 *Xach* replaces that version with a left-to-right version 17:30:12 gigamonkey: also, i can't fetch your blog feed 17:30:32 have you ever tried LOC-related node sizes? 17:31:04 abend [~alx@67.136.131.11] has joined #lisp 17:31:10 lichtblau: no. that would be interesting. 17:32:00 -!- TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@rrcs-24-106-240-44.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: TheEnd2012] 17:32:47 easy to cheat yourself out of a prominent spot there by modularizing heavily though 17:33:23 Sadly, there is no cash prize for having the biggest node 17:33:59 mrSpec [~Spec@pas75-1-82-67-151-173.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:01 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@pas75-1-82-67-151-173.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:34:01 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:36:04 what's the gotcha that makes a defvar not be dynamically bound from within a method? 17:36:17 i.e. it's bound like a global and the value sticks around. 17:36:40 Umm... What? 17:36:50 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:57 so I've done (defvar *errors-in-validation*) 17:37:08 somewhere in my validation stack, I optionally (setf *errors-in-validation* t) 17:37:18 Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 17:37:20 I expect this to be dynamically bound in that call stack 17:37:33 however, after I've run this code, in the repl, *errors-in-validation* => t 17:37:53 that's because you set it, not bind 17:37:54 So... you forgot to bind it somewhere? 17:38:00 Ahh. 17:38:05 that's the gotcha then =) 17:38:06 No, no. Setting is a reasonable thing to want to do for an error flag. 17:38:07 ok. 17:38:23 so I need to bind it somewhere up in the stack then? 17:38:25 You bind at your outer scope, then any set within that scope sets the binding. 17:38:25 I get it. 17:38:34 ok. capiche 17:38:39 And when the binding is undone, the original global value reappears. 17:38:46 Plus it's a per-thread binding at that point. 17:39:36 great. thanks. 17:40:06 Xach: bah. I've gotta migrate that blog off my crap homebrew blog software. 17:40:21 TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@cpe-174-100-235-249.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:40:36 So, what I'm thinking of for object pinning on ppc is a static-symbol, *pinned-objects*, which contains a list, per-thread, of objects which shouldn't be moved. 17:41:16 w-p-o then becomes `(let ((*pinned-objects* (list* ,@objects *pinned-objects*))) ,@body). 17:42:17 Anyone know any good way to import a bunch of stuff into a wordpress.com blog keeping publication dates, etc. 17:42:26 oh, java, java, java... and your AbstractDelegateFactoryGeneratorSingletons... why, why? 17:43:11 MORE CRAP HOMEBREW BLOG SOFTWARE! 17:44:24 gigamonkey: wordpress doesn't have some sort of publishing api? 17:44:26 hah 17:44:41 Shaftoe: no doubt. I just haven't had the time to figure it out. 17:45:12 i migrated my sister from wordpress to blogspot with a bunch of cxml+drakma. not sure what wordpress import would need. 17:46:49 Why is a blog about PHP vs Lisp from 2008 on the front page of HN? 17:47:24 Why from WP to blogspot? 17:47:30 WHat is HN? 17:47:36 because nobody modded it down? 17:47:52 Hacker News? 17:47:54 Zhivago: hacker news 17:47:54 Zhivago: Hacker News a.k.a. news.ycombinator.com 17:47:58 Ah. 17:48:34 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:48:41 aka planet.arc? 17:49:18 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:49:41 -!- TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@cpe-174-100-235-249.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: TheEnd2012] 17:49:41 gigamonkey: it was a roll-your-own install of WP on my server. i didn't want to get hit by an exploit or spend any time maintaining the install. 17:49:59 TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@cpe-174-100-235-249.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:20 -!- malorie [~yesway@chello084112014141.3.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50:33 Xach: I see. Same basic reason I'm trying to move to Wordpress. 17:52:08 she kept emailing me zip files of templates to install... 17:55:10 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:56:13 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 17:57:28 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:54 symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:26 fe[nl]ix, pong 18:02:56 tcr [~tcr@118.101.5.114] has joined #lisp 18:03:50 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-232-77.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:06:01 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@118.101.6.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:19 -!- felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:07:55 zomgbie [~jesus@mk090152146046.a1.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:24 Fare: do you know of a suitably-licenced libc, so as not to rewrite everything from scratch ? 18:10:09 fe[nl]ix, between bsd libc, uclibc, glibc, android's libc, and more, I'm sure you can find one that suits you. 18:10:23 i.e. non-(L)GPL and non-BSD{34} ? 18:10:23 what's "suitably-licensed" for you? 18:10:28 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-135-243.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Error: do not makunbound t please] 18:10:32 what's wrong with BSD? 18:10:43 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 18:11:11 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest86957 18:12:36 "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright 18:12:36 notice" 18:14:32 fe[nl]ix: MIT doesn't require that, right? 18:15:59 fe[nl]ix, it's annoying, but hardly a showstopper, is it? 18:16:29 given that I'm in no hurry, it is 18:16:52 Ahem. uClibc is LGPL. 18:16:53 sykopomp: the MIT licence is a bit vague about it 18:16:58 and that's BSD2 anyway (3 and 4 are the advertising and promotion clauses ) 18:17:17 fe[nl]ix: I thought that was the big difference between BSD and MIT. 18:17:32 that said, I just don't see what the problem is with hauling around a text file. 18:17:45 jsnell: hmm, you're right 18:18:03 put it into a C variable, that way the binary will always carry the text inside... 18:18:27 fe[nl]ix, choose your battles wisely. 18:18:45 Fare: I'm not battling anyone 18:18:53 time. You're mortal. 18:19:10 fe[nl]ix: why is it such a problem to require reproduction of a copyright notice? 18:19:34 considering you are given full access to the source code, and the ability to choose all the important parts of how you distribute it. 18:19:42 Fare: how perspicacious of you :D 18:20:01 johanlindberg [~johanlind@81-234-18-19-o286.telia.com] has joined #lisp 18:21:01 if time is not an issue, why a libc at all??? 18:21:36 to copy code out of it 18:21:38 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@mk090152146046.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:21:38 fe[nl]ix, btw, have you had time to look at my diffs? 18:21:58 I'm not interested in maintaining a full libc 18:22:05 TDT` [~user@173-30-32-53.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 18:22:10 what parts are you interested in? 18:22:59 OK, so they want to make fork async signal unsafe for the sake of pthread_atfork. But why oh why didn't they promote vfork to be async signal safe instead? 18:23:49 -!- TDT [~user@173-30-32-53.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:23:56 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:24:34 and if I want to get posix_spawn fixed, should I go find eglibc or glibc mailing lists or both? 18:25:10 what's eglibc ? 18:25:29 a recent fork of glibc 18:25:40 Ulrich Drepper must have pissed one guy too many 18:25:42 I see 18:29:16 gruseom [~daniel@173-228-64-221.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:40 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 18:31:30 -!- splittist [~David@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: yay - libc wars!] 18:33:20 Xach: can you look at http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/ and see if it has the right tag foo to work with Planet Lisp? 18:33:24 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:35 -!- Guest86957 [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 18:34:13 I guess the Atom is at http://gigamonkeys.wordpress.com/feed/atom/ 18:34:41 -!- Edward__ [~edward@ARennes-299-1-88-90.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:36:34 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082CEAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:37:36 -!- gruseom [~daniel@173-228-64-221.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has left #lisp 18:38:42 gigamonkey: looks good to me 18:39:12 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 18:41:04 Okay. I'm going to try to migrate there. I'll let you know when it's soup. 18:41:24 Sadly I think it's going to be faster to hand migrate each post than to figure out how to do it automatically. 18:41:42 time to make the fast/fun tradeoff decision. 18:42:09 Neither is going to be fast. Neither is going to be fun. What's the tradeoff? :-| 18:42:54 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has joined #lisp 18:44:56 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:37 curi [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:37 -!- stlolman is now known as ` 18:47:48 -!- ` is now known as `` 18:48:16 -!- `` is now known as `````````````` 18:48:21 <``````````````> anyway 18:48:22 <``````````````> hello 18:48:26 <``````````````> i have a Q 18:48:38 <``````````````> I am reading PCL, but I havnt seen any tasks there 18:48:57 <``````````````> what do you think me be the good resource for practising ? 18:49:41 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:50:18 please fix your nick 18:51:04 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@221.162.108.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:13 <``````````````> what do you mean? 18:52:20 it's «``````````````» ATM 18:52:27 <``````````````> yes 18:52:33 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 18:52:46 <``````````````> that's my nick, since backquote is taken :( 18:52:47 -!- Xach has set mode +b ```*!*@* 18:53:09 That's a pretty obnoxious nickname. Please try something with letters in it. 18:53:32 It's distracting and difficult to read. 18:53:39 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.64.200.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:54:11 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-200-182.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:31 -!- `````````````` [~Your@granny.slept.with.lenin.ru] has left #lisp 18:54:42 asdjn [~Your@granny.slept.with.lenin.ru] has joined #lisp 18:54:52 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has joined #lisp 18:54:55 Well, it was a legal nick :/ 18:55:24 anyway, can somebody recommend me anything? 18:55:47 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 18:55:50 how about the euler project? 18:56:08 asdjn: find a library and improve it.. e.g., I looked at cl-dbus yesterday, and it had some wtfs 18:56:13 euler project is for programming in general 18:56:21 not for special lisp techniques 18:56:26 you wont' use lisp for programming in general? 18:56:31 adeht: i am not that good tbh 18:56:44 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:56:50 ace4016: i need to sharpen some lisp specific techniques 18:56:57 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has left #lisp 18:56:58 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.161.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57:28 in other words, you want something like "make x using techniques 1, 2, and 3" 18:58:32 Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.61.46] has joined #lisp 18:58:51 yes 18:59:10 i liked how sicp structured excersises 18:59:33 (I actually started writing my own dbus client.. but so far it seems not too far than already existing stuff in cl-dbus, so I'm unsure about going on with it.) 19:00:15 asdjn: maybe you'll find http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~meidanis/courses/mc336/2006s2/funcional/L-99_Ninety-Nine_Lisp_Problems.html interesting? 19:00:31 thanks 19:01:06 I got ninety nine lisp problems but a free() ain't one? 19:01:29 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05:50 -!- johanlindberg [~johanlind@81-234-18-19-o286.telia.com] has left #lisp 19:06:54 dr_maligno [~dr_malign@69.Red-88-8-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:15 Is the ITA aquisition bad for Common Lisp? 19:08:49 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 19:08:58 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-31.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 19:09:24 ZabaQ, Common Lisp is not a person, nothing is good or bad to "it". 19:09:51 Fare: did you get my memo on the asdf bug? 19:10:12 adeht, which bug? 19:10:53 Fare: compile-file* calls compile-file, which may return NIL, T, T.. then in the :error clause of the status case, nil is passed to delete-file-if-exists 19:11:11 Common Lisp is a particular information pattern which must replicate and adapt if it is to exist in the future. I'd say it's meaningful to talk about its "wellbeing" 19:12:47 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 19:19:01 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:22:01 cowhm [~cowhm@154.sub-97-157-222.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 19:22:09 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:24:39 odd, this had worked just fine until I restarted lisp and added it to .sbclrc 19:25:06 (set-macro-character #\* #'(lambda (stream char) (list 'eval (read stream t nil t)))) 19:25:07 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:25:48 that will make special variables pretty interesting. 19:26:04 Xach: eh? 19:26:14 -!- dr_maligno [~dr_malign@69.Red-88-8-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:45 zc00gii: special variables are traditionally named *foo-bar* 19:26:55 oh, derr 19:27:30 Xach: anything unused that I can use? 19:27:55 zc00gii: how about not using a read macro?! 19:28:05 drewc: how about yes! 19:28:29 @...that's not traditionally used is it? 19:28:50 zc00gii: how about learning lisp before you attempt to change it's syntax 19:28:51 :) 19:28:58 drewc: I have 19:29:02 I just wasn't thinking =P 19:29:09 Ah, back up, learn to think. 19:29:24 Xach: I'm quite sure I know how to think, I just forgot that I should 19:29:28 There's a list of reserved-for-users characters, but I can't find it at the moment. 19:29:54 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:29:58 zc00gii: but if you didn't know how to think, you'd probably also be quite sure you did! 19:30:04 It's really tricky that way. 19:30:14 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-46-247.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:30:18 Xach: I'm thinking of a number 1-10 19:30:25 guess what it is? 19:30:57 it's a number between 1 and 10 19:31:09 adeht wins! 19:31:13 it's tau! 19:31:38 -!- asdjn is now known as maxcom 19:31:42 tau is pi^2 19:31:45 -!- maxcom is now known as maxcom` 19:32:12 zc00gii: that's not very rational of you :P 19:32:15 maxcom`: nice vhost =P 19:32:20 sytse: how not? 19:32:28 think about it :P 19:32:30 zc00gii: rude whois 19:32:41 maxcom`: actually 19:32:44 no =P 19:32:49 *** asdjn (~Your@granny.slept.with.lenin.ru) is now known as maxcom 19:32:50 19:32:54 *** maxcom (~Your@granny.slept.with.lenin.ru) is now known as maxcom` 19:32:55 19:33:12 yeh it still gathers info from whois 19:33:21 if that's irssi 19:33:24 maxcom`: that's erc's fault, not mine 19:33:28 or xchat 19:33:29 no, it's ec 19:33:30 oh 19:33:32 i see 19:33:34 erc* 19:33:40 maxcom`: so how is that rude.. 19:33:50 zc00gii, maxcom`: on topic please 19:33:51 Feel free to discuss this metainfo privately. 19:34:04 gz [~gz@68.114.86.82] has joined #lisp 19:34:05 gz_ [~gz@68.114.86.82] has joined #lisp 19:34:21 _fogus_ [~fogus@pool-96-255-203-34.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:21 (in (could 'we (discuss nil it)) '(lisp syntax)) ;-) 19:36:00 -!- gz [~gz@68.114.86.82] has left #lisp 19:36:04 -!- gz_ [~gz@68.114.86.82] has left #lisp 19:37:28 Fare: this might be my lucky month for a Lisp meeting. Thanks for planning it so far in advance. 19:37:34 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39:11 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:39:32 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 19:39:33 yes, finnally got that thing off my tooth 19:39:37 woops, wrong buffer =P 19:40:31 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-137-141.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:22 CL-USER> (type-of (expt 2 7830457)) 19:41:22 (INTEGER 536870912) 19:41:24 says SBCL 19:41:29 is it me, or is it very wrong? 19:42:08 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:11 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 19:42:18 (INTEGER 1152921504606846976) 19:42:21 it says to me. 19:43:01 that's still wrong 19:43:10 schmrkc: x64? 19:43:15 I guess. 19:43:28 (integer low high) 19:44:08 What should it return? 19:44:27 schmrkc: rme got it right 19:44:55 Now I feel confused. 19:45:13 schmrkc, that type is pronounced "positive bignum" 19:45:25 Phoodus [foo@174-17-116-185.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:27 Yes that is what I thought. Why is it wrong? 19:45:28 the type specifier (integer 123) denotes integers that are above or equal to 123 19:45:43 schmrkc, it isn't wrong 19:45:53 oh ok. n/m then. 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I don't think so. 20:35:08 adeht, oh, didn't see this one. So delete-file-if-exists should do (when (and x (probe-file x)) ...) 20:35:18 adeht, does that fix work for you? 20:37:21 didn't get your mail, tho 20:38:24 silenius [~silenius@c-24-130-172-194.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:38 -!- pookleblinky [~pookle@cpe-67-252-154-25.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41:36 pookleblinky [~pookle@cpe-67-252-154-25.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:38 -!- cowhm1 [~sellonc@c-24-6-240-176.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:41:47 ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.115.173.142] has joined #lisp 20:42:28 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-73.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:43:22 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.18.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:28 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:37 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-73.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:37 jwein [~jwein@host7-3-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:47:05 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@83.231.61.46] has quit [] 20:51:50 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:58:22 maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:59:51 -!- ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.115.173.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:26 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 21:06:49 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:09:06 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@77.193.63.189] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:10:44 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:57 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:11:31 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 21:13:07 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:18 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:50 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 21:17:59 konr [~user@201.82.129.247] has joined #lisp 21:19:35 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:47 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:21:02 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:22:02 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:24:27 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:26:45 Edward__ [edward@ARennes-299-1-47-163.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:28:11 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 21:30:20 -!- maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:00 Fare: mmmmmmmmmmmmaybe 21:32:08 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:34:01 Guthur [~michael@host86-160-243-60.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:34:33 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.132.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:35:38 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38:45 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has joined #lisp 21:38:59 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:53 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:41:33 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 21:43:26 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:44:10 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has joined #lisp 21:44:27 TR2N [email@89-180-209-72.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 21:46:20 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:47:02 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 21:48:51 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 21:51:27 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-39-200.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:53:43 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-0-119.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:53:50 Xach: BLM sounds like a good venue for quicklisp's public source debut and some promotion. ;) 21:54:45 *Xach* doesn't have enough time :( 21:54:57 although, in the abstract, yeah 21:55:05 -!- jwein [~jwein@host7-3-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:56:48 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@117.102-84-212.ippool.ndo.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:45 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:01:04 minion: paste 112100? 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22:24:23 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:24:29 I don't think I've ever heard "asdf" and "trace file" together. Is that an asdf feature? 22:25:26 It's an SBCL feature. 22:25:37 :trace-file is a keyword argument to compile-file. 22:26:19 ahh 22:27:27 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 22:28:34 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178.223.147.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:39 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@eth0-2.nmd.four.lax.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32:17 mindCrime [~chatzilla@eth0-2.nmd.four.lax.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:24 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 22:35:39 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 22:38:38 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38:39 -!- Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38:39 -!- benny [~user@i577A7D92.versanet.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38:40 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38:41 -!- 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Just put an :around on the compile-op, then? 23:39:53 Shaftoe: yes.. 23:40:06 adeht: ok. What function/method should I be looking at to handle this? 23:40:11 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has joined #lisp 23:40:28 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:40:41 minion: tell Shaftoe about trivial-backtrace 23:40:42 Shaftoe: have a look at trivial-backtrace: Trivial backtrace is a simple platform independent interface for generating a backtrace. http://www.cliki.net/trivial-backtrace 23:40:54 *nyef* is getting occasional random gc corruption, but thus far no more lockups. 23:41:02 thank you sir. 23:41:07 -!- _fogus_ [~fogus@pool-96-255-203-34.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: _fogus_] 23:42:13 -!- HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:43:34 I'm kinda surprised this is so ghetto =) 23:44:13 ? 23:44:25 that there isn't a specification for it etc. 23:44:32 hehe I'm glad its just not me that didn't get that 23:44:40 I thought I might be getting old or something 23:47:28 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:48:17 Drakeson [~user@76-10-142-153.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:50:43 error objects do not store backtrace information. What we did was make a new condition type, and handler-bind such that non-backtrace errors are caught and re-raised as backtraced errors 23:52:04 also, trivial-backtrace was completely broken in that it gave a backtrace _to the (print-backtrace error) call_ instead of to where the error happened 23:52:47 now, which of the supported lisps it had that behavior in, I do not recall 23:53:37 Phoodus: interesting. is it actually working right now? 23:53:56 but looking at the code again, it seems like all of them do that. The implementation-specific back-ends that print-backtrace calls never even access an error object 23:54:05 *nyef* wonders why the odd non-descriptor value he sees scavenge attempts for is always 1032. 23:54:24 our code has been working for a while, I don't know if trivial-backtrace has been updated in the 6 months or so since we had to do that 23:58:33 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:59:41 I might simply end up using sb-debug:backtrace-as-list... =\