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Those phrases are "now-er than that" and "immediately if not sooner". 00:45:36 Heh :) 00:45:57 Given a list of list of strings, how do I generate all possible concatenations? 00:46:13 delYsid: count 00:46:24 in base n if you have n strings 00:46:35 The first introduces degrees of "now-ness", and the second suggests that immediately can be some time off. 00:46:39 i.e. '(("a" "c") ("f")) => '("af" "cf") 00:46:57 delYsid: Not ("fa" "ca")? 00:47:48 no, ("af" "cf") 00:47:49 ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:48:05 i.e., each sublist lists the possible substrings at that position 00:48:11 Any particular ordering constraint? 00:48:33 (What should happen for (("a") ("f" "g"))?) 00:48:42 delYsid: then i guess a couple of dolist are enough 00:49:00 You'll need recursion if there can be an arbitrary number of lists. 00:49:21 ah right 00:49:34 nyef: ("af" "ag") 00:49:37 arbitrary depth 00:50:02 -!- mgr [~mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:50:13 delYsid: consider this is a tree and you write all paths to it then 00:50:23 to its leaves 00:50:36 or no its a planar graph ? 00:51:25 (("a" "b") ("c" "d")) => ("ac" "bc" "ad" "bd") ... 00:52:13 i.e., all possible combinations, ordering is not really important, in the end, I will order by length of resulting string 00:52:25 So, something like (defun permute-concatenations (bodies &optional (stem "")) (if (not bodies) stem (loop for fragment in (car bodies) appending (permute-concatenations (cdr bodies) (concatenate 'string stem fragment))))) ? 00:52:38 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:52:43 Not even sure that paren-balances right, let alone if the logic is right. 00:55:55 hmm, interesting, but the logic is not right :-) 00:57:27 <_3b> probably need a LIST on the base case 00:57:57 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 00:58:23 <_3b> or move the IF inside the loop 00:59:07 -!- ferada` [~user@g224147248.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:59:20 s/appending/collect/ works... 00:59:32 <_3b> does it work with 3 sublists? 00:59:35 Yeah, LIST or CONS on the base case. 00:59:37 sort of 00:59:51 COLLECT can't work right when you have more sublists. 01:00:02 Because the output should be a "flat" list. 01:00:17 And the rule is "if you want to flatten a list, you built it wrong in the first place". 01:01:44 right, the nesting is weird. 01:02:24 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-102-211.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:02:27 baddog [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:02:37 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 01:02:51 -!- baddog is now known as Guest66838 01:03:05 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 01:03:27 maybe (defun permute-concat (parts &optional (stem "")) (let (result) (dolist (part parts result) (if (consp part) (nconc result (permute-concat part stem)) (push (concatenate 'string stem part)))))) 01:04:00 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.165.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:28 -!- Guest66838 [~user@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 01:04:28 Guest66838 [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 01:04:36 -!- Guest66838 is now known as baddog 01:05:48 this should output reverse deep first search i guess 01:05:58 L3thal [~quassel@41.176.131.155] has joined #lisp 01:06:07 kinda 01:06:49 abqar_ [~abqar_@122x220x64x254.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:07:26 meaning if your lists are sorted it should invert the sorting 01:08:04 so just nreverse would get it sorted 01:08:45 if you fix the code... 01:11:01 vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has joined #lisp 01:11:04 to obtain this it should not be (nconc result (..)) but (setf result (nconc (..) result)) 01:11:19 untested though 01:11:38 m``: i raed the logs where you didnt not recommend C++ for starters , in fact you hoped that some day , it will die 01:12:09 m``: not here for any flame war or such , but seriously , whats wrong with C++ , name one real problem 01:12:18 templates 01:12:22 based on C 01:12:37 uh wait this is a troll 01:12:58 billitch: ya dont feed trolls :P 01:13:09 you're feeding 01:13:11 billitch: i just want m``'s answer ;) 01:14:30 ... inconsistence? Being worse case of Darwin's Grab Bag than Lisp? 01:15:02 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:15:10 fugly templates and constantly broken encapsulation as well 01:15:24 i first learned c++ and i now realize almost 15 years later why it was a confusing mistake to think it was a good way to write programs 01:15:37 much failed polymorphism 01:16:11 and i think no compiler properly parses all the language as of 2010 01:16:30 adding or removing a virtual method (or field) requires recompilation of all dependant code <--- this is really maddening 01:17:25 static (i.e. ones that can't be overidden etc.) methods can avoid that, but then the built tools are too stupid to do that 01:18:33 in general C/C++ gives an intuition of computing that is very unnecessarily confused 01:19:59 especially if you try to build abstractions and get stuck in operators / virtuals, templates fudge 01:21:39 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-114-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 01:21:56 and gives no intuition whatsoever of language, grammar, compiler and such fundamental concepts of programming 01:26:14 less failed attempts to bring objects to C are : Objective C and D 01:26:52 I don't know if learning D as first language could be a good idea 01:27:08 billitch: there's CLOS ported to C 01:27:25 well, as ported as one can expect for C 01:28:43 p_l: wow, do you have an url for it ? 01:29:52 troussan [~user@cpe-66-91-114-23.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:30:23 http://sourceforge.net/projects/cos/ 01:30:32 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-89-94.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 01:30:47 C Object System (COS) is the most recent framework with about 7,000 sloc and certainly the one which fulfills the best the five principles. 01:31:01 the 5 principles are: 01:31:20 1. Simplicity 2. Flexibility 3. Extensibility 4. Efficiency 5. Portability 01:32:20 might require some hacking, though 01:32:29 awesome 01:32:51 also, it's funny how there are companies now that sell what basically is modern-day equivalent of delivery-oriented LispM, just for Java 01:33:14 -!- troussan [~user@cpe-66-91-114-23.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:47 (and well, much much faster...) 01:34:07 and virtual ? 01:34:52 what about virtual? 01:35:20 virtual methods you mean? COS uses CLOS-like multiple dispatch 01:36:00 as for Azul, their systems have special cpus to execute Java code + OS. This way, they have realtime GC 01:36:07 (or at least pauseless) 01:38:04 i thought you were talking about lisp machines, but i guess LispM is something else ? 01:38:42 Well, Azul Systems sells what I'd call JavaMachine 01:38:48 oh ok 01:38:51 so not virtual 01:38:59 and people claimed LispM were a dead end :) 01:39:13 or maybe the collapse of java is near.. 01:39:30 doubtful 01:40:37 hmm, CVS version of COS compiled nicely and ran all tests 01:42:01 COS also includes a small standard library 01:44:26 -!- jleija [~jleija@adsl-243-237-205.chs.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 01:45:15 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-110-158.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:30 makes sense to be able to reuse object system internals, is there a half-implementation of a lisp in there 01:45:32 ? 01:46:27 nope 01:46:36 though I guess implementing half CLOS counts 01:48:58 -!- vieq [~vieq@metabug/vieq] has quit [Quit: vieq] 01:50:11 vieq 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[~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has joined #lisp 03:45:36 Hi all! 03:51:45 -!- thunk|away is now known as think` 03:51:50 -!- think` is now known as thunk 03:58:00 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 03:59:32 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@219-89-89-94.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:59:46 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-89-94.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03:45 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 04:04:36 -!- davazp [~user@83.46.7.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:04 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@96-42-84-114.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:06:46 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 04:17:15 -!- oconnore_ [~oconnore_@thingy.cs.umass.edu] has quit [Quit: Zoinks] 04:19:15 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:17 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 04:33:03 evening folks 04:39:05 Hello slyrus! 04:43:43 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.49] has 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Allegro - LispWorks - Emacs+Slime: Which one do you Lispers recommend? 06:05:27 sbcl 06:06:40 the third one 06:06:44 <_3b> emacs + slime + one or more of sbcl,ccl 06:06:57 Then I can use those cl-* packages with SBCL? (I'm on Ubuntu) 06:07:22 <_3b> you can, but it isn't advised (if you want support here, as oppsed to from ubuntu) 06:08:02 You're recommending manual install then? 06:08:17 <_3b> minion: tell Bahman about clbuild 06:08:20 use clbuild 06:08:22 clbuild: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 06:08:52 http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild/ 06:09:06 there's also quicklisp, currently in "private" alpha :) 06:09:16 how's lisp 06:09:18 don't touch asdf-install nor ubuntu packages 06:09:24 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-117.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:09:34 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 06:09:52 except for the ubuntu sbcl package, which is good enough to use to build your own copy from the sources 06:10:25 *_3b* would download a binary from sbcl.org even then, unless it was already installed 06:10:36 xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.231] has joined #lisp 06:10:55 Aha...so I should use clbuild to build SBCL and any other module I need, right? 06:12:09 *_3b* builds/installs sbcl by hand, but uses clbuild for the rest 06:12:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:12:49 Anything special about Emacs (recommended version, XEmacs?) 06:13:05 <_3b> probably better off with gnu emacs 06:13:23 <_3b> not sure any slime devs still use xemacs, so it is probably less well supported 06:13:42 <_3b> emacs 23.whatever from ubuntu should be fine 06:14:11 <_3b> let clbuild get slime for you though 06:14:13 Emacs 23.x + SLIME from clbuild 06:14:23 p_l|backup, rude 06:14:24 IMHO 06:14:28 XEmacs unfortunately stagnated 06:14:44 push: rude what? 06:14:52 rude 06:14:53 imho 06:14:55 -!- thunk|away is now known as thunk 06:14:58 ?_? 06:15:18 (someone give me translator) 06:15:20 I'd like to be, under the sea, in an octopuses garden, in the shade. 06:15:39 Thank you all. It was really helpful. 06:15:52 psilord [~psilord@adsl-71-150-250-194.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:16:04 We would shout, and swim about the coral that lies beneath the waves. 06:16:13 I 06:16:15 Would 06:16:16 Like 06:16:17 To 06:16:18 Be 06:16:19 Under 06:16:19 The 06:16:20 Sea 06:16:22 In 06:16:24 An 06:16:26 Octopuses 06:16:28 Garden 06:16:31 In 06:16:31 I'd like to eat regularly and sleep everynight in bed, but not everyone gets a happy end. shuddup 06:16:32 The 06:16:34 Shade 06:17:16 I'm learning Lisp, currently. I hope it's better than Python! {!} or should I say () 06:17:46 adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:18:18 IMHO it's better, though finding libraries is harder (but writing them is easier!) 06:18:27 hohoho [~hohoho@o199-186.pubnet.titech.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 06:18:52 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #lisp 06:18:57 also, SBCL, CCL and LW implement real threading unlike CPython (ABCL I think also works properly with threading) 06:19:08 Python is still unithreaded 06:19:48 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o slyrus 06:20:02 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.231] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:21:34 hm 06:23:37 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:27:08 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #lisp 06:29:33 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 06:31:09 what's the difference between :x and x 06:31:13 why is :x a symbol 06:31:18 that lisp can understand? 06:31:22 as a string 06:31:49 xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.231] has joined #lisp 06:33:57 push: :foo is shorthand for keyword:foo 06:34:14 i.e. the symbol foo in the package keyword 06:34:47 I see.. 06:34:50 when I use format 06:34:55 the ~a thing 06:34:58 why does this work 06:35:05 (format t "~a" :blah) 06:35:08 when this doesn't work 06:35:12 (to remove the :) 06:35:18 symbols in the keyword package evaluate to themselves 06:35:20 just like t and nil do 06:35:24 (format t "~a" ":no") 06:35:40 whereas other symbols have no value unless you have bound one 06:35:48 ah, I see 06:35:51 thanks 06:35:51 but 06:35:58 to use the ~a thing 06:36:06 does it need to be symbol you pass to it? 06:36:23 I'm pretty sure ~a will take just about anything 06:37:47 -!- psilord [~psilord@adsl-71-150-250-194.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37:50 CL-USER> (format t "~a" ":no") 06:37:51 :no 06:37:56 it doesn't give me NO back 06:38:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:01 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:01 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:01 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp83.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:02 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@124.13.126.56] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:02 -!- vonli [~user@lynx.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:02 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-237-76.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:02 -!- df_aldur [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:03 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:03 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:03 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:04 -!- pkhuong_ [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:04 -!- m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:04 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:05 -!- Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:38:06 -!- gz__ is now known as gz 06:38:12 CL-USER> (format t "~a" :no) 06:38:13 NO 06:38:31 Why would it give you NO back if you pass it a string? 06:39:10 you're pretty much doing (format t ":no") 06:39:37 push: symbols are upcased by the reader by default; strings are not. 06:40:00 push: ":no" is a string; :no is a symbol 06:40:08 I seem to remember every once a year I try to have format generate function names for me. from strings. 06:40:12 the case always bites me :) 06:40:31 #'string-upcase moar 06:40:37 but yeah 06:40:39 totally been there 06:40:52 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-53-161.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:09 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-54-171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 06:45:19 -!- rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:45:54 Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 06:46:13 vonli [~user@lynx.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #lisp 06:49:26 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:49:43 Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:37 psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-166-87.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:11 Soulman1 [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 06:55:22 ASau [~user@77.246.230.112] has joined #lisp 06:57:23 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:57:48 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:58:22 hello 06:58:38 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 p_l|backup [~plasek@pp83.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 tcr [~tcr@124.13.126.56] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-237-76.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 df_aldur [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 5EXAA0NZ3 [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 pkhuong_ [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 06:58:45 -!- m`` [~m@usealice.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 06:58:45 m``_ [~m@usealice.org] has joined #lisp 06:58:47 is there a portable function for sb-introspect:function-lambda-list ? 06:59:24 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 06:59:36 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has joined #lisp 07:01:23 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@219-89-89-94.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:01:43 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:03:19 kiuma: I suspect SWANK has something 07:04:15 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:04:40 p_l|backup, so if I add swank dependency for my cl-api woud be ok ? 07:05:40 nostoi [~nostoi@76.Red-79-146-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:05:52 probably. I'm guessing here - slime already uses such information, so swank might have semi-portable interface 07:06:20 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 07:06:26 ok 07:08:32 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:08:39 mm... describe-function returns a string that has to be parsed... 07:08:59 Hi everyone, I'll still trying to learn lisp, but keep running into problems getting set up to use third party packages. This line in the packages.lisp file: (:shadowing-import-from #:collate . #.(collate::external-symbols))) yields this error: The function COLLATE::EXTERNAL-SYMBOLS is undefined. This is not my code, and I don't know how to fix it. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but this one problem has been holding me back for days. How do I define th 07:09:00 at function? 07:09:01 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:09:07 Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has joined #lisp 07:09:45 <_3b> lat_: where did that code come from? 07:10:07 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:11:16 _3b, from wirdo, and it was working before I had a computer crash, and had to reinstall. 07:13:03 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 07:15:56 HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 07:17:18 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-249-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18:27 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:13 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 07:22:28 -!- baddog [~user@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:38 <_3b> lat_: hard to say what's wrong without seeing more of the code 07:25:37 -!- billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:25:47 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has joined #lisp 07:25:47 lat_: maybe if you could point the code itself (i.e. the package collate) to us... 07:27:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:27:35 cause the line itself is dead simple and correct 07:27:38 did you load the collate package? 07:27:49 ephcon [~ephcon@ppp-71-139-27-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:31 good morning 07:28:33 aw [~aw@186.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 07:31:22 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@76.Red-79-146-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:31:55 I think I've located the problem. There are two different collate.lisp files is two different directories! Let me look at this a little longer, and if I can't figure out the problem I'll post all the code. 07:32:18 is = in 07:33:16 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:34:11 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:11 i despise people that put copies of header files in the source directories and then go #include "funny.h" 07:35:13 Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 07:35:50 i wonder if mod_lisp is useful 07:36:31 -!- aw [~aw@186.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:38:34 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:12 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 07:39:15 clbuild complains about "hg" not being found. What is hg? 07:39:40 Bahman: mercurial 07:39:44 zophy: not really 07:39:50 p_l|backup: Thanks. 07:40:28 are there ever situations where you'd want to use more than one metaclass on a single class? 07:41:08 zophy: these days you have hunchentoot, maybe whatever allegro ships and the built-in stuff from UCW (also included in its descendants). Some small simple servers as well, like teepeedee2, but they are rarely used. Sometimes you can spot CL-HTTP in the wild 07:41:23 zophy: in practice, go with Hunchentoot 07:45:57 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 07:46:04 inklesspen: Are there ever situations where you'd want to use more than one class on a single instance? 07:46:35 Dranik [~dim@91.149.157.246] has joined #lisp 07:46:55 hi all! 07:47:10 which web server is preffereable for lisp web development? 07:47:18 Depends on what you prefer. 07:47:30 Some people like hutchentoot. 07:47:42 Personally I dislike meaningless questions. 07:47:58 Zhivago: sure, and then you have inheritance. or multiple inheritance. 07:48:21 but my understanding is that metaclasses tend to be used more sparingly 07:48:28 if that's not the case, please correct me. 07:48:49 what I need is sbcl+ any web server which is stable and still in development 07:49:11 but I didn't find anything alive except mod_lisp 07:49:14 how is it? 07:49:24 hunchentoot is pretty much the de-facto choice 07:49:32 Dranik: Read the documentation. 07:50:01 inklesspen, thanks! 07:50:29 inklesspen: you might want to mix few different metaclasses though 07:50:38 inklesspen: Well, there you go then -- I'm sure you can imagine cases, then. 07:50:45 though I admit sometimes I wonder if that wouldn't require careful ordering... 07:50:56 Zhivago: I was unable to. which is why I asked you guys. 07:51:19 inklesspen: Make sure they're compatible. 07:51:24 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.205] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:54:52 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 07:55:56 I guess figuring the order the methods will be called could become very important 07:56:05 -!- lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:56:53 troussan [~user@cpe-66-91-114-23.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:00:36 zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 08:02:44 Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 08:02:50 dabr [~dabr@62-2-164-173.static.cablecom.ch] has joined #lisp 08:03:58 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:04:31 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:09 rtra [~rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has joined #lisp 08:05:15 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.128.199] has joined #lisp 08:06:04 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:06:38 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 08:10:36 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:11:14 lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 08:15:04 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 08:15:44 btw, how is mod_lisp? is it good enough for production? 08:16:10 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@chello062178135013.2.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:18:04 Dranik: forget it. It might have been good enough and may still be usable, but I don't think anyone is maintaining it 08:18:20 CL-HTTP has bigger chances of being maintained 08:18:23 so, hunchentoot is the best option 08:18:25 is it? 08:18:35 yep 08:19:14 p_l|backup, I'm a newbie. could you tell me, how often lisp is used for web development? 08:20:12 Dranik: Quite often, because it's the easiest and cheapest deployment model 08:20:25 p_l|backup, I thought so. Thanks! 08:21:19 p_l|backup: can you please elaborate on "deployment model"? :) 08:21:38 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 08:21:48 isn't mod_lisp good when integrating with an existing apache? ie, a different goal than hunchentoot. 08:22:11 well... apache is proven.. hard to convince a client to use lisp, crazy to try to talk them out of apache 08:22:51 unless i go the appliance route and nobody cares how it's built 08:23:18 zophy, how about apache as frontend and hunchentoot as backend? 08:23:37 -!- troussan [~user@cpe-66-91-114-23.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:55 hmm, use apache as a proxy 08:23:57 heh 08:24:17 zophy: the current approach is to use mod_proxy 08:24:24 or nginx+hunchentoot 08:24:30 also, it might be easier to convince clients thanks to success of RoR and Django 08:24:33 isn't it a standard model? 08:26:48 delivery of non-server apps is troublesome for many due to lack of certainfeatures in free implementations 08:27:32 relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has joined #lisp 08:28:11 p_l|backup, how about compilation into the processor bytecode? 08:28:35 Dranik: compilation isn't a problem size of runtimes is 08:28:54 felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #lisp 08:28:58 I see, u'r right 08:29:06 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 08:29:17 43M /usr/lib/sbcl/sbcl.core 08:29:23 just runtime 08:29:27 OMG!!! 08:29:40 JRE is about 20M 08:29:57 Dranik: except SBCL is more like JDK, which is much heavier :) 08:30:13 195M /opt/jdk1.7.0 08:30:41 xan_ [~xan@92-249-219-104.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 08:30:42 comparable (when you include libs that aren't shipped with SBCL but whose functionality is shipped with JDK) 08:31:02 LW makes <10MB binaries, but it has 1200 EUR license 08:31:18 p_l|backup, sorry for offtopic, how is java 1.7 macross system? 08:31:28 is it as powerfull as lisp's? 08:32:14 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:25 I think that a standalone sbcl image excutable is like 24M+ 08:32:26 nonexistant. And I haven't yet seen Lisp transform from a warship into giant robot, so it's hard to say who wins 08:32:43 (couldn't help it, sorry - google "Super Dimensional Fortress Macross") 08:32:55 phadthai: on 32bit 08:32:59 right 08:33:01 *p_l|backup* runs amd64 08:33:20 p_l|backup, )) 08:33:43 If I use clbuild to build SBCL, is it possible to install sbcl in a different location than /usr/bin? 08:33:47 Dranik: macros in Java are nearly non-existant, they recently added closures afaik, but not yet ready for public use 08:34:06 Bahman: yes, as long as clbuild will find a lisp system in its path, it will work 08:34:22 p_l|backup: Thanks. 08:34:34 aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:35:04 OK, thanks, it was helpful 08:35:35 erm, clbuild never installs into /usr/bin, so I don't understand the question 08:36:02 lichtblau: I suspect it was "do I need lisp in /usr/bin to use clbuild?" question. 08:36:36 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:36:58 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.49] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:37:36 lichtblau: I was wondering where clbuild installs sbcl...I don't have any lisp on my machine, so I'm planning to use clbuild to build and install sbcl. 08:37:37 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:38:06 Bahman: you need a lisp to build sbcl though. 08:38:12 Bahman: you need a lisp to compile SBCL 08:38:15 Just trying to avoid any possible problems with further Ubuntu package installation. In fact I'd rather have my Lisp system in my home dir. 08:38:26 -!- lat_ is now known as foo_ 08:38:50 -!- foo_ is now known as lat_ 08:39:05 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-17-116-185.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [] 08:39:34 Alright...I can use Ubuntu's SBCL but can clbuild distinguish between the one in /usr/bin and the one in my home.dir? 08:39:44 Sorry for being too naive :-) 08:40:35 yes 08:40:36 I mean when I'm done building and installing (in home.dir) SBCL I'd like to use the one in home.dir. 08:40:51 Alright...thank you very much. 08:41:03 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.4/20100502112452]] 08:44:15 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:23 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:46:36 rgrau [~user@208.64.70.52] has joined #lisp 08:47:01 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757bcd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:50:50 Another question: How can I make clbuild understand to install (eg sbcl) in a certain directory? Any command-line switches? 08:51:27 Bahman: it installs it in its own directory. Just symlink it later somewhere in PATH 08:51:50 *p_l|backup* has symlink ~/root/bin/clbuild -> ~/root/clbuild/clbuild 08:52:07 p_l|backup: That's the only way? 08:52:28 Bahman: yes. Clbuild got started as a rather simple tool 08:52:57 p_l|backup: Thank you. 08:53:08 Bahman: You could just grab the sbcl binary from sbcl.org and avoid the ubuntu packages. 08:54:38 schmrkc: Already installed the package. Should I uninstall it and use that binary? 08:55:47 Bahman: Having not used ubuntu I do not really know :) 08:56:00 I can't see why the ubuntu one would not be good to build a fresh one. 08:56:40 schmrkc: The build just finished. Well, looks like Ubuntu packages work. 08:57:08 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 08:57:38 (: 08:57:45 The binary ubuntu provides is out of date. 08:58:03 I think that will always be the case. 08:58:43 unless ubuntu switch to a monthly timeslot release schedule (: 08:59:06 Fortunately it works for build :-) 09:00:54 how do I get the documentation of a method ? 09:00:55 -!- pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:19 pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 09:01:30 kiuma: (documentation (find-method ...) t)? 09:01:47 -!- pkhuong is now known as Guest20944 09:02:04 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.73.140.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 09:02:13 "clbuild/target" is where all stuff gets installed? 09:02:18 antifuchs, thx 09:02:25 Bahman: yeah, that's the sbcl install base dir 09:02:43 note that the recent asdf2 upgrade in sbcl might have broken a few things in clbuild 09:03:13 -!- Dranik [~dim@91.149.157.246] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 09:03:14 antifuchs: So I just need to add clbuild/target to $PATH, right? 09:03:26 clbuild/target/bin\ 09:03:35 nope, ./clbuild lisp will launch SBCL with the right environment 09:03:35 clbuild/target/bin 09:04:04 that's the magic of clbuild (: 09:04:14 Aha! 09:04:39 Does it handle Emacs and Slime stuff too? 09:04:41 I made a script called sbcl that just launches "clbuild lisp" (: 09:04:49 clbuild slime will launch emacs and slime 09:04:57 Great! 09:05:01 Thank you. 09:05:20 if you have an emacs config already, you can also use "/path/to/clbuild slime" as your inferior-lisp-program 09:05:36 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@ppp-71-139-27-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:05:39 you're welcome (: 09:07:35 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 09:08:36 iceland_jack [~baldurb@gigur.vedur.is] has joined #lisp 09:09:37 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:10:19 Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 09:12:31 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 09:13:02 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 09:17:07 sunwukong [~vukung@business-80-99-161-225.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 09:22:37 relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has joined #lisp 09:24:37 how may I know if a symbol has been exported by a package ? find-symbol ? 09:24:57 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 09:25:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 09:26:05 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@166.188.180.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:26:57 Finally! Emacs+Slime running :-) 09:27:01 Thank you all. 09:27:40 -!- L3thal_ [~quassel@41.176.144.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:27:53 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.5/20100623161114]] 09:28:29 kiuma: using the second return value of #'find-symbol ? 09:28:37 ok 09:29:14 aw [~aw@186.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 09:32:26 is parenscript any more useful than just writing javascript ? 09:32:50 Well, combined with macros ... 09:32:59 ok 09:33:25 makes sense with that consideration 09:34:29 Also it does support things like dynamic variables and makes many other parts less tedious. 09:34:34 zophy: also, it makes lambdas much, much nicer to write 09:37:24 mgr_ [~mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has joined #lisp 09:38:01 much better than writing function(function(...){...},function(...){...}); etc. 09:40:00 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 09:40:14 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:17 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43:56 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-46-160.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 09:44:18 ah... espresso is starting to work 09:44:38 orphee [~user@195.14.246.100] has joined #lisp 09:45:04 -!- orphee [~user@195.14.246.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45:34 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-93-26.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:45:40 orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has joined #lisp 09:46:15 -!- orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:30 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:55:53 -!- mgr_ is now known as mgr 09:57:48 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-110-158.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:58:40 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 10:02:14 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@o199-186.pubnet.titech.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:36 zophy, parenscript makes sense only if you embed js into html pages or you are not going to apply any compression to external js files 10:05:11 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-191-173-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 10:05:45 kiuma: not really 10:06:01 *p_l|backup* actually played with parenscript in place of writing "normal" 10:06:15 nothing stops you from minimizing the scripts, either 10:06:48 p_l|backup, let me see if I can provide an example 10:06:56 I've it somewhere 10:07:09 *lichtblau* upgrades xorg, finds that Sh-M-f doesn't emit the same modifier bits as M-Sh-f anymore, but only for Meta_R, while Meta_L works. 10:07:13 Are those guys actively trying to sabotage console/emacs/lisp users? 10:07:40 lichtblau: there were some big changes in input layer in last two major releases 10:08:10 p_l|backup, anyway the result is http://www.wingstech.it/claw/site/index.html 10:08:25 see with firebug->net inpector 10:08:35 kiuma: wait till I repair my firebug 10:08:38 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:01 or I'll run it in Chrome aka Broken 10:09:08 all js files shrinked in a unque js file and so for css 10:10:23 kiuma: again, what stops you from doing that in Lisp? 10:10:32 see http://dojocampus.org/content/2008/05/26/dojo-build-201-layers-and-css-optimizing-builds/ 10:10:55 p_l|backup, nothing if your js is minimal 10:11:11 but if it's complex ... better js 10:11:46 I use parenscript too, but only inside html pages 10:14:17 for non mac like me: http://media.dojocampus.com/video/02_buildLayers.mov 10:20:32 kiuma: wingstech/claw is your creations? 10:21:01 -!- lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:21:15 kiuma: I am sure you can use parenscript to generate static, compressable js too 10:21:24 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-110-158.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 10:21:49 otoh, why would you want to? this just adds one more layer of translations you have to go through in order to debug your programs 10:22:35 hypno, yep 10:23:46 antifuchs, If you are saying that in production I'll write parenscript results to js files, yes 10:24:25 kiuma: I had seen parenscript integrated with ASDF, so that you had actual build script to compile it. this you can easily extend to add minifier into pipeline 10:24:27 yeah, pretty much that. but the caveat about debugging your compiler still holds. 10:24:43 (Merb even put simple minifier support into View system) 10:25:47 -!- hdurer`` [~hdurer@pdpc/supporter/active/hdurer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:55 -!- hdurer__ [~hdurer@pdpc/supporter/active/hdurer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:37 hypno, anyway project is CLAW, wingstech my company :) 10:27:46 hmm... I recall CLAW being heavily dependant on JS 10:28:08 p_l|backup, not complitely true 10:28:26 you are referring CLAW.dojo 10:28:37 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:28:42 CLAW is an application server 10:28:58 there are then: 10:28:59 kiuma: I just recall that at some point demonstration pages didn't work at all without JS, similar to CoreServer 10:29:12 kiuma: ok. anyway, great sites. programmers sites usually look like shit. :) 10:29:40 hypno, thx 10:30:28 hohoho [~hohoho@bmdk0210.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:30:39 p_l|backup, CLAW:: claw-as, claw-html, claw-html.dojo, claw-i18n, and connectors 10:31:03 acturally for connectors only claw-hunchentoot connector 10:32:03 *actually 10:32:35 claw-html doesn't really need js 10:32:39 it's optional 10:32:52 anyway no js no fun :P 10:32:56 orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has joined #lisp 10:34:43 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 10:35:57 *p_l|backup* prefers JS-optional approach for non-webapp pages 10:36:26 main chunk of JS in the only website I'm currently coding myself is stuff required to fix IE6 xD 10:37:11 These days I think that optional-js just tends to impose really bad design constraints. 10:37:35 Zhivago: not for "normal" webpages 10:37:36 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 10:37:36 hdurer`` [~hdurer@nat/yahoo/x-mkrbbceespnwopmv] has joined #lisp 10:37:39 ls 10:37:42 oops 10:37:44 I don't mind slightly degraded feature set 10:37:52 lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 10:38:02 and for "applications" I seem to go into JS-only land 10:38:13 p_l|backup, use dojo and get rid of js implementations evil 10:38:16 -!- hdurer`` [~hdurer@nat/yahoo/x-mkrbbceespnwopmv] has quit [Changing host] 10:38:16 hdurer`` [~hdurer@pdpc/supporter/active/hdurer] has joined #lisp 10:38:21 -!- xan_ [~xan@92-249-219-104.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:38:57 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.128.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:39:22 kiuma: currently using jQuery and thinking of going with Cappuccino or ExtJS ;-) 10:39:31 web application development and design (in java) is my real job. 10:39:35 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 10:39:52 p_l|backup, one or the other is fine 10:40:16 dojo is only my personal choice 10:43:52 -!- Bahman [~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has quit [Quit: Gone with the wind.] 10:43:54 -!- lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:44:15 Optional-js for normal web pages with enhanced widgets isn't too bad. 10:44:53 Zhivago: that's what I usually go for 10:45:12 + I'm using some JS to "fix" certain browsers 10:45:30 -!- Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:46:19 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:48:33 kiuma: Are you using gwt to produce javascript? 10:50:41 I think optional-js was probably one of the most annoying design issues with weblocks, although I'm not sure what the current situation is. 10:50:42 Zhivago, dojo 10:51:29 I don't think that the current situation of weblocks is dojo. 10:51:34 components are made simply adding the correct dojoType attribute to the element 10:51:50 Zhivago, no I don't think so 10:53:15 lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has joined #lisp 10:53:16 weblocks uses scriptaculous 10:53:26 (which afaik uses Prototype) 10:53:33 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 10:55:54 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 10:56:47 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:57:22 Bahman [~bubastis@92.42.52.18] has joined #lisp 10:57:36 Hi again! 10:59:02 lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 11:01:31 xinming_ [~hyy@115.221.39.105] has joined #lisp 11:02:19 Can something be put in .emacs so that asdf automatically loads? 11:03:25 I would think you'd put that in the init file for whichever cl implementation you use 11:03:50 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:04:28 lat_: There's ~/.swank.lisp which is loaded when SWANK (the CL part of Slime) is loaded 11:04:59 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@bmdk0210.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:05:35 there's also a init file for ASDF in asdf v2 11:05:57 -!- sunwukong [~vukung@business-80-99-161-225.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:05:58 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 11:06:01 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:13 tcr, I'm using asdf2. Is there any info about the init file somewhere? 11:13:09 tcr, I don't find it in the manual. 11:13:28 lat_: Then look into the source code 11:14:03 (It's what I'd have to do, too, to find out) 11:19:36 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:21:26 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:47 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 11:22:07 tayloj [~Adium@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:23:49 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap111066.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #lisp 11:25:10 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap111066.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:25:28 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap111066.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #lisp 11:26:27 -!- lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:19 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:35 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:58 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.73.140.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: asdf] 11:38:03 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 11:38:57 -!- abqar_ [~abqar_@122x220x64x254.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:38:59 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.5] has joined #lisp 11:39:05 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 11:39:35 -!- lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:40:09 -!- tayloj [~Adium@cpe-67-248-22-159.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:41:42 lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 11:44:43 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 11:49:20 -!- orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:52:08 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:52:11 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 11:52:24 xinming [~hyy@115.221.11.2] has joined #lisp 11:55:21 -!- xinming_ [~hyy@115.221.39.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:42 tayloj [~Adium@clip-point-02.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 11:56:46 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:02:03 Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-14-245.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:04 hmm... a CMS in ... ANSI C 12:02:30 I knew I liked TokyoCabinet's author's style xD 12:04:24 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-99-141.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:05:34 I was writing a CMS in claw too, but I shifted the project in the todo things 12:05:48 it was something similar to magnolia 12:06:08 http://www.magnolia-cms.com/home.html 12:07:56 -!- xinming [~hyy@115.221.11.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:07 xinming [~hyy@115.221.33.44] has joined #lisp 12:10:12 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap111066.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:58 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl5-43-9.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:12:16 -!- Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-14-245.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:04 tcr1 [~tcr@115.132.78.233] has joined #lisp 12:13:07 -!- bandu [~coyotama@coyotama-1-pt.tunnel.tserv8.dal1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@124.13.126.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:14:18 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:36 good morning 12:15:40 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:16:01 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:18:11 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap111066.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #lisp 12:20:04 L3thal [~quassel@41.176.144.86] has joined #lisp 12:20:43 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 12:21:21 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:23:43 p_l|backup: that's what raph levien did (sort of) with advogato 12:25:41 anybody planning on going to reno this fall? 12:25:41 -!- TeMPOraL[S] [~user@users.v-lo.krakow.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:00 manic12: I'm planning to go. 12:26:36 cool, I am planning too, I look forward to meeting you 12:27:19 are you in the us? 12:27:27 gzip4__ [~xxx@78.108.73.250] has joined #lisp 12:27:57 I am. 12:28:27 hypno: i keep them as http server logs, but all http server logs are deleted weekly. 12:28:35 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kkrejqbpzedndfhr] has joined #lisp 12:28:49 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:28:52 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fuwboopjdnwkproo] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:29:12 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 12:29:50 http://1978th.net/tokyopromenade/ <-- the C CMS from the author of TokyoCabinet 12:31:30 -!- gzip4_ [~xxx@78.108.73.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:32:51 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 12:39:01 p_l|backup: can you push to asdf? either delete-file-if-exists should also check for nil pathname, or it shouldn't be called with nil from compile-file* 12:39:41 attila_lendvai: unfortunately, not. Though I'm flattered, I don't know anyone other than Fare with push access 12:40:26 there are some people, but then i'll record a ticket... just thought maybe i can spare the time when it's something that simple 12:40:37 ...or just wait for fare to show up 12:41:34 *attila_lendvai* with all those options in mind, eventuallt recorded a memo... :) 12:43:39 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:15 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-114-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:45:35 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:45:46 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.135.68] has joined #lisp 12:46:32 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47:12 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.5] has joined #lisp 12:51:58 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.135.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:53:56 hmm... how much people are reliant on non-hunchentoot servers? (for HTTP) 12:55:42 reliant in what sense? 12:57:43 lichtblau: in other words, how often people go with other servers for developing web code? 12:58:04 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:58:21 we have live systems using our own web servers 12:58:54 attila_lendvai: I know about the servers in UCW, DWIM and CoreServer, but afaik they all come from forking UCW, right? 12:59:00 and to be honest, i wouldn't trust our live systems to anything that uses usocket as the socket interface 12:59:23 attila_lendvai: I'm actually modifying hunchentoot to use something different than usocket 12:59:31 (iolib preferably 12:59:31 ) 12:59:49 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:59:51 hu.dwim.wui is not an ucw fork. i made many changes to ucw at some point and i've made the http part of hu.dwim.wui, but they are quite different 12:59:52 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:00:19 ah 13:00:25 good to know 13:00:46 drewc asked me to make my extensive ucw changes on a different name, then i forked ucw, but after the few few hours of cleanup i just initialized an empty repo 13:01:00 s/few/first/ 13:02:23 the most notable difference is that wui doesn't force call/cc on you 13:02:59 when I read the docs for UCW, it didn't force CPS (though it might have used it internally) 13:04:10 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.149.252] has joined #lisp 13:04:50 e.g. backtracking in ucw is entangled all around. and it caused us very big headaches when we tried to load the server. it just ate up memory uncontrollably... so we effectively disabled it in the very early days. 13:04:52 -!- push [~push@121.127.201.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:05:12 then we saw that it's not missing at all... 13:05:25 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:05:59 the back button is overrated when we're talking about complex applications, not just web pages 13:06:20 and even then you can support it encoding some state in the url 13:06:25 attila_lendvai: what about bookmarks? 13:06:36 which will scale much better than what ucw tries to do 13:06:43 blandest: IMHO bookmark to a state is a bad idea 13:06:53 blandest: see my comment on encoding state in the url 13:06:56 is there another way to get package' external symbols other then do-external-symbols ? 13:07:07 I don't need the 'do' 13:07:07 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 13:07:20 I want only the list 13:07:28 weblocks is the new winner in the "most direct dependencies in quicklisp" contest 13:07:36 weblocks: closer-mop metatilities hunchentoot cl-who cl-ppcre cl-json puri md5 cl-fad fare-matcher cl-cont parenscript anaphora f-underscore bordeaux-threads salza2 trivial-timeout 13:08:04 sometimes it's crucial, like when you want to copy-paste an url to an invoice into a chat window. then you want the view of the invoice to come up personalized to the oter person's credentials 13:08:10 Dodek [dodek@cl-187.waw-01.pl.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:11 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-52-80.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:09:16 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-109-120.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:09:19 kiuma: I stumbled upon this once and wrote a function that returns the list. I don't know about other ways to do it. 13:09:29 ok 13:09:46 kiuma: don't take my word for it, though :) 13:10:02 kiuma: swank has one 13:10:57 p_l|backup, thx, but I don't want to and swank dependency to a very basic api gen tool 13:11:17 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-yuvbrlpzhujxrcvl] has joined #lisp 13:13:54 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kkrejqbpzedndfhr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:17:24 as for my questions regarding server usage - I was thinking for some time about making a "middleware" based on Hunchentoot's API (think Ruby's Rack or Python's WSGI) 13:18:47 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:23:45 egoz [~Egoz@202.70.51.123] has joined #lisp 13:24:54 -!- lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:26:47 hello 13:26:52 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:27:50 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:28:29 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:44 G'morning all. 13:29:35 hi nyef 13:30:20 lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has joined #lisp 13:31:03 Aferlak12 [~Aferlak12@208.89.210.254] has joined #lisp 13:31:21 I've installed ccl with clbuild install cll and am now trying to make that my default implementation. clbuild install seems to not actually install ccl but rather just fetch the source 13:31:54 Kenjin: ccl includes binaries in their snapshots 13:32:27 I'm running clbuild compile-implementation ccl and I get a message saying it can't find existing installation of ccl 13:32:49 p_l|backup: so if I point clbuild to the binaries the compile-implementation should work? 13:32:55 p_l|backup, already half done 13:33:09 kiuma: hm? 13:33:22 anyway www.wingstech.it columns are editables 13:33:31 ala WYSWYG 13:33:32 xan_ [~xan@catv-86-101-5-153.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 13:33:37 -!- iceland_jack [~baldurb@gigur.vedur.is] has left #lisp 13:33:56 p_l|backup, anyway I was going further 13:34:37 then as already said I put CLAW-CMS on the todo things 13:35:17 -!- zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:59 leadnose_ [~leadnose@leadnose.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:26 -!- devon [~devon@scooby-doo.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:52 p_l|backup: clbuild/source/ccl/bin is empty. I've got what looks like binaries in ccl/scripts but when I run i get ./ccl: line 47: /usr/local/src/ccl/dx86cl: No such file or directory 13:37:04 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:10 hmm 13:37:41 p_l|backup, if you don't need to add new pages I can give you wingstech code 13:38:27 did you change ccl? If not, why are you trying to recompile it? 13:38:50 is there something similar to find-class that doesn't signal an exception ? similar to fboundp ? 13:39:02 lichtblau: I just did clbuild install ccl. I'm now just trying to make that my default implementation 13:39:09 fe[nl]ix: next annoyance: errno doesn't work on allegro 13:39:22 Kenjin: The binary would be in clbuild/source/ccl  just try ./dx86cl from there. 13:40:26 lichtblau: I can't say that I'm shocked :D 13:40:31 sellout: I don't have anything like that in clbuild/source/ccl 13:40:40 Kenjin: don't do that unless you know what you're doing -- clbuild install ccl fetches sources from trunk. Download CCL using svn yourself. 13:41:00 Kenjin: What platform are you on? 13:41:10 -!- egoz [~Egoz@202.70.51.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:41:11 x86 13:41:19 Kenjin: Linux? 13:41:21 osx 13:41:38 Ah, ok. Hrmm. If that file's not there, there are issues. 13:41:53 lichtblau: that said, we've known about that. cmell said that allegro can atomically return ERRNO as the second value of a foreign call, which is better 13:42:11 sellout: want a paste of the dir list? 13:42:22 Kenjin: sure. 13:42:29 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42:36 -!- dabr [~dabr@62-2-164-173.static.cablecom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43:09 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:43:33 sellout: http://paste.lisp.org/display/111942 13:43:44 -!- leadnose [leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has left #lisp 13:44:03 fe[nl]ix: yes, I've changed cffi to set *errno* after every FFI call, which is also silly, but gets Hemlock started on Allegro. Success! 13:44:06 -!- leadnose_ is now known as leadnose 13:44:38 lichtblau: Allegro has *errno* ? 13:45:19 No, I make that second return value visible by setting a variable in cffi-sys. 13:46:18 No support for long long return values, meaning that the upper half will get discarded silently... As long as I'm not opening 4 GB files, I should be fine for now. 13:46:46 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:20 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:45 -!- Guest20944 is now known as pkhuong 13:47:58 sellout: something missing there I suppose? 13:49:15 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:58 What's the best defadvice-style API? (if i wanted to imitate the best) 13:52:15 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:38 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 13:53:42 -!- ryepup [~user@216.155.97.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:01 Kenjin: Hrmm, yeah  that seems to be just the source code, which is not something that should really ever be checked out. It's pretty useless that way. Does clbuild put binaries anywhere else? 13:54:08 Xach: something like what emacs has? 13:54:25 leo2007: Is that the best? 13:54:47 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:54:50 Xach: it's the best in terms of familiarity, to be sure 13:54:56 Not sure. but the user interface is good. 13:55:03 sellout: i've got ccl, ccl64 and some others i ccl/scripts 13:55:34 Kenjin: Those are just wrappers (look inside them) to call the actual binaries. Here's what a normal checkout looks like: http://paste.lisp.org/display/111942#1 13:55:50 (well, you wouldn't have the .app unless you built it, but otherwise  13:55:53 ) 13:57:32 sellout: well, I didn't get that. I do see two listings for ccl when running clbuild list ccl: #ccl (1.1) and ccl (trunk) 13:58:05 sellout: I suppose clbuild install ccl gets (trunk)? maybe I should get the other one? 13:58:26 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:58:27 Kenjin: I don't know much about clbuild  but CCL 1.1 would be very old. 13:58:36 sellout: oh 13:59:32 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 14:00:03 sellout: clbuild fetched from this url http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/trunk/source 14:00:44 btw, has anyone tried making inline cache for CLOS dispatch? 14:01:39 apparently nobody is listening to me, but I'll say it again: clbuild does not download ccl binaries for you. Do it yourself. 14:01:50 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:01:55 sellout: binaries seem to be divided in folders in parent dir 14:03:06 ska` [~user@ppp-58-8-88-71.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 14:03:53 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:04:50 lichtblau: I wish I had the problems for which you had the answsers. I always listen to you! 14:04:53 Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:05:10 -!- m``_ [~m@usealice.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:06:24 sellout: looks like the call needs to be someething like svn co http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/trunk/darwinx86/ccl 14:06:40 Kenjin: Yes, that's what you want to check out. 14:07:21 Snamich [~Snamich@32.170.212.93] has joined #lisp 14:07:29 sellout: clbuild seems to not be able to handle this then. 14:08:08 lichtblau: wow, that's kinda weird. 14:08:10 sellout: without some editing I mean 14:08:39 -!- Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:09:03 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:11:26 -!- Aferlak12 [~Aferlak12@208.89.210.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:03 relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has joined #lisp 14:13:06 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 14:13:27 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:48 barcon332 [~barcon332@208.89.210.254] has joined #lisp 14:15:33 sellout: getting this now http://paste.lisp.org/display/111942#2 any idea? 14:15:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:17:02 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 14:17:42 Kenjin: did you read what lichtblau wrote? 14:18:41 what's wrong with this ? (let ((g '(:html (:title "ciao")))) (with-html-output (*standard-output*) g)) 14:18:51 Xach: I missed it sorry lichtblau and thanks 14:19:01 I got the binaries myself 14:19:24 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-52-80.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:22:23 kiuma: WHO is about compiling snippets at compile-time. Read the docs to understand the evslu 14:22:35 *evaluation model 14:23:42 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@eap111066.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:27:34 Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:29:16 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:30:31 m`` [~m@usealice.org] has joined #lisp 14:31:11 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 14:32:50 orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has joined #lisp 14:35:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-029.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:35:40 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:35:53 -!- orphee [~orphee@195.14.246.100] has quit [Client Quit] 14:36:57 redline6561 [~redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:46:31 lichtblau: I should be able to fully use my bluetooth keyboard on the ipad... soon! 14:47:01 pkhuong: you can't now? 14:48:25 Steve doesn't expose keycodes and modifiers. So, while their own controls can grab control, command, etc., terminal apps can't and are only exposed characters and return. 14:49:05 pkhuong: you named your ipad Steve?! ;) 14:49:41 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 14:50:09 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:53 no, it's actually nimue, but now that you mention it ;) 14:51:08 pkhuong, I've read it, but I still don't understand if I can create an html list of tags and then render it 14:52:03 kiuma: no, except by pre-rendering the tags. 14:55:32 :( 14:56:31 Is this a bug in asdf2, or an error on my part? http://paste.lisp.org/+2EDL 14:57:26 lat: unless you defined a method on operation-done-p, this looks like it's on asdf 14:57:32 pkhuong: ... and what is going to change? 14:57:43 lat: best to report it to the asdf development mailing list 14:58:01 (or if you use an asdf2 that ships with your impl, report it to that implementation's dev list, too) 14:58:45 antifuchs, ok. Thanks. 14:59:14 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 15:00:37 lichtblau: I used BTstack to write my own barebones bt keyboard driver. The next step is to grab a pty and inject input from the keyboard. (did you know that apple BT keyboards can supportup to *6* concurrent non-modifier keypresses? :) 15:01:13 *p_l|backup* looks for a keyboard that allows >10, preferably with pressure detection :D 15:01:23 krzysz00 [~user@pool-71-252-233-89.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:37 (evil plan of hiding a synth keyboard in a laptop) 15:02:08 You could detect when the user was feeling particularly stressed and crash at the critical moment 15:02:12 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:02:21 haha 15:02:38 -!- ASau [~user@77.246.230.112] has quit [Quit: off] 15:04:20 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:40 p_l|backup: a multi touch tablet, maybe. 15:05:45 pkhuong: they lack pressure detection, not to mention that they are horrible for more ... stressed typing 15:06:14 there are some future devices that are good enough with haptic feedback to do that, but they aren't now 15:06:38 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:06:49 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 15:07:48 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 15:08:35 ahem, how do I do integer division again? 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15:47:49 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Client Quit] 15:48:08 milanj [~milanj_@109.92.120.209] has joined #lisp 15:49:35 baffg [~baffg@074-050-147-207.plateautel.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:49 I'd've thought it to point to a layout or a classoid. 15:50:22 tayloj [~Adium@clip-point-02.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 15:52:45 -!- relcomp [~chatzilla@pc92-e03-3.igf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.5/20100623161114]] 15:52:52 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:55:56 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 15:56:30 -!- baffg [~baffg@074-050-147-207.plateautel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:02 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has joined #lisp 16:00:03 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:01:12 egoz [~Egoz@202.70.51.123] has joined #lisp 16:01:21 copec [~copecd@64.244.102.130] has joined #lisp 16:01:44 beach [~user@ABordeaux-158-1-37-160.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:01:49 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:50 Good evening! 16:01:52 -!- benny [~user@i577A1845.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:16 howdy 16:02:23 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 16:02:41 carlocci [~nes@93.37.194.252] has joined #lisp 16:03:40 Hello beach. 16:04:04 hi beach 16:06:45 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 16:10:49 maden [~maden@dsl-157-212.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 16:12:04 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:12:30 -!- sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:55 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:13:50 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:14:20 benny [~user@i577A229F.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:15:22 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:15:36 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 16:15:59 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:17:12 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:19:11 -!- xan_ [~xan@catv-86-101-5-153.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:19:18 rfg [~rfg@host81-102-105-68.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:07 -!- egoz [~Egoz@202.70.51.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21:10 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:33 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:24:10 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:24:44 -!- varjag is now known as varjagg 16:26:36 -!- ska` [~user@ppp-58-8-88-71.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:27:02 -!- L3thal [~quassel@41.176.144.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:51 Hmm, I would like to wrap system loads so that if there's an error loading a foreign library with CFFI, I can run apt-file on the library name to see what package might provide it. 16:28:53 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.18.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:14 load-foreign-library-error conditions don't seem very informative, though. 16:29:31 nyef: I was looking into how CLOS caches dispatch 16:30:01 after reading about how JVM deals with its dispatch system 16:30:02 vmmenon [~vmmenon@c-67-183-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:46 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:21 (JVM's first-level check is ~4 instruction long) 16:32:05 p_l|backup: then yes, it's a class descriptor. 16:33:25 reb`: did you change protobuf not to need the compiler at compile time? 16:33:35 *Xach* noticed it went from his "fail" to "win" list 16:34:10 Xach: that's because the implementations' errors are not always useful 16:35:22 fe[nl]ix: That's reasonable. Is there a way to get the name of the library or libraries that were attempted? 16:35:23 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@32.170.212.93] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 16:35:32 for the use-case I described? 16:35:55 Xach: not ATM 16:36:21 I'll see what it takes to add it. 16:36:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:38:21 lvillani [~lvillani@fedora/lvillani] has joined #lisp 16:42:20 -!- kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:43:06 kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #lisp 16:45:08 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:45:13 -!- billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:45:56 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:03 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 16:46:10 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-yuvbrlpzhujxrcvl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:17 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:46:17 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 16:47:20 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.96.141] has joined #lisp 16:47:25 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B202530.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:51:17 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:53:17 -!- slyrus___ [~slyrus@adsl-75-55-213-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:29 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:12 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-20-234-48.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:52 Lis [~Lis@business-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:00:43 eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has joined #lisp 17:02:40 Davse_Bamse [~davse@82.103.143.161] has joined #lisp 17:05:16 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:37 Pohsul [Pohsul@62.32.131.253] has joined #lisp 17:07:41 I'm getting "lambda list incompatible with existing methods of standard generic function..." while redefining a defgeneric. 17:08:04 Kenjin: fmakunbound it first to avoid that. 17:08:39 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:51 Kenjin: and make sure you changed all the lambda lists of methods defined in the defgeneric (that one bites me all the time) 17:09:25 tayloj: the error is slightly different in that case, isn't it? 17:09:27 Xach: is this something that needs to be done everytime I redefine some defgeneric? I don't really know what's going on behind the curtains here 17:09:53 Kenjin: what has happened is you have something like this: (defgeneric foo ()) (defmethod foo () 42) 17:09:57 every time you change it to a non congruent lambda list to existing methods 17:10:13 Kenjin: If you change (defgeneric foo (arg)) and recompile, it will complain because of the existing defmethod. 17:10:28 ideally, SBCL should provide a restart to remove all methods, like CCL does 17:10:41 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 17:10:49 kenjin: SBCL is not very nice and does not provide a restart; actually there was something related which recently got a restart, maybe about this issue. 17:10:50 Kenjin: fmakunbound will make the system forget about the old generic function and its methods. 17:10:53 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 17:10:56 in lispworks anyway, (defgeneric foo (x) (:method (x y) t)) errors with the message "Lambda list (X Y) is not congruent with the lambda list (X) ..." 17:11:19 Xach: but if you update your defmethod shouldn't that be enough? 17:11:21 t 17:11:33 nil 17:11:43 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 17:11:45 tayloj: lispworks is right 17:11:49 Kenjin: In light of the error you got, do you really have to ask that? 17:11:50 not enough 17:12:40 stassats: I know. But it's the same error as if a separate defmethod followed the defgeneric 17:13:06 tayloj: i actually mixed up who was asking the original question 17:13:06 Xach: bad phrasing.. sorry. I was wondering if wouldn't it make sense if when updating defgeneric and defmethod accordingly there would be no problem? 17:13:25 tayloj: so ignore my remark 17:13:51 stassats: consider it ignored :) 17:14:02 Kenjin: there would be a problem, because old methods won't be automagically vanished 17:14:15 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:14:35 stassats: oh, so If I compiled the new method the old one would still be available 17:14:36 right 17:14:48 thus, giving the error 17:15:05 -!- aw [~aw@186.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:01 you can also open your generic function in Slime Inspector and delete any methods you don't like 17:17:02 Snamich [~Snamich@161.210.164.207] has joined #lisp 17:17:05 tayloj: what message do you get after evaluating (defgeneric foo ()) (defmethod foo () 42) (defgeneric foo (arg)) ? 17:17:30 but fmakunbound in this case is faster, and it's bound to C-c C-u key in Slime 17:19:05 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:20:48 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 17:21:13 Xach: same thing 17:21:15 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-37-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:52 Xach: "lambda list (ARG) is not congruent with the lambda list NIL of #<...>." 17:21:59 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:22:27 tayloj: thanks. in sbcl, the two cases have differently-worded error messages. 17:22:36 Xach: with an available restart to modify the lambda list and delete existing methods 17:23:00 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:35 Xach: oh, except that doing defmethod with an incompatible lambda list also has a restart "discard the new method" 17:23:54 davazp [~user@83.46.7.98] has joined #lisp 17:26:54 -!- davazp [~user@83.46.7.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:11 loxs [~loxs@78.90.124.181] has joined #lisp 17:31:10 ugh, fuzzy completion becomes more uglier and uglier under my knife, maybe i should read some paper on fuzzy matching 17:32:55 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-119.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 17:35:15 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36:18 -!- rread [~rread@c-24-130-52-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:26 rread [~rread@nat/sun/x-vihjbodkrjjaphfq] has joined #lisp 17:37:14 heh, Log5 fails to build on sbcl with: DYNAMIC-EXTENT on a weird thing 17:37:22 Uhm. I know this is maybe not the right channel, but has sourceforge ftp access? I want to download the mingw distribution and do not want to download all files by hand... 17:37:53 it has ftp mirrors, i believe 17:38:33 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 17:39:29 lichtblau: may I see the patches you wrote for IOLib on Allegro ? 17:41:10 aw [~aw@157.81-166-214.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:34 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:46:21 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:37 Carnegie [~nn@studio25.org] has joined #lisp 17:55:10 bzzbzz_ [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:57:12 L3thal_ [~quassel@41.176.144.86] has joined #lisp 17:59:10 -!- tayloj [~Adium@clip-point-02.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 17:59:10 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [*.net *.split] 17:59:10 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [*.net *.split] 17:59:11 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757bcd.pool.mediaWays.net] has 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