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(eq (cons 1 2) (cons 1 2)) 02:53:07 clhs cons 02:53:11 clhs eq 02:53:21 where in the world is SPECBOT? 02:53:44 I have the CLHS right in front of me! 02:53:46 Good morning! 02:53:47 aidalgol: they are different cons. See the difference between eq/eql/equal 02:53:57 alright, cons creates a new cons, eq compares for sameness 02:54:45 Oh, OK, so only numbers and symbols are the same? 02:55:02 no 02:55:06 aidalgol: no 02:55:10 same objects are the same 02:55:33 Er, aside from the obvious same objects. 02:56:02 same contents, different cons 02:56:25 numbers aren't same under EQ 02:56:33 Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 02:57:20 -!- xinming_ is now known as xinming 02:57:28 (eq 2 2) 02:57:33 => T 02:57:42 what does that prove? 02:57:49 I don't know. 02:58:07 I understand that same objects are the same. 02:58:17 I had to understand that to use Smalltalk. 02:58:33 But numbers were treated specially for efficiency. 02:58:50 numbers and characters can be copied any time 02:58:53 maus [~maus@123.20.5.217] has joined #lisp 02:59:02 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-fojtxyfzqdwolhjq] has joined #lisp 02:59:12 so you need to use EQL for them, or = and char= 02:59:14 So x := 4. y := x. y := 7. leaves x with the value of 4. 02:59:21 Good morning! 02:59:28 stassats: OK. I think I get it now. 02:59:42 (eq 300 300) => NIL 02:59:45 that's in ABCL 03:00:23 Gives true in SBCL 03:00:38 Weird. 03:00:46 I always assumed that integers were eq... 03:01:12 -!- Guthur [~michael@host86-136-55-105.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:32 The HS gives this example: (eq 3 3) => true 03:01:57 fsmunoz: try (eq 536870912 536870912) or (eq 2305843009213693952 2305843009213693952) 03:02:12 -!- marioxcc [~user@201.132.138.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:18 fsmunoz: and what it has as the result? 03:02:35 stassats: let me check 03:02:59 oh, you stated the result 03:03:10 but copied it wrong 03:03:21 (eq 3 3) => true OR=> false 03:03:37 stassats: correct, I overlooked it, sorry 03:03:54 I was reading the comments in the botto which more or less explain it 03:04:03 . The effect is that Common Lisp makes no guarantee that eq is true even when both its arguments are ``the same thing'' if that thing is a character or number. 03:04:33 and btw, the last eq above is nil, the other t 03:04:38 antifuchs: you here? 03:05:26 fsmunoz: the first one would return NIL on 32-bit sbcl 03:05:39 stassats: yes, I'm on 64 03:06:04 sid3k` [~user@li140-93.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 03:06:06 so, bignums aren't eq on SBCL 03:06:12 apparently not 03:06:14 vng_ [~vng@123.20.56.138] has joined #lisp 03:06:22 -!- vng_ [~vng@123.20.56.138] has quit [Client Quit] 03:06:23 abcle internerns up to 256 03:06:26 abcle internerns up to 255 03:06:42 sbcl has no limit right? 03:06:51 pkhuong: Or you, or any other mac user :-) I'm looking for a recommendation on a nntp reader for macosx 03:06:53 dmiles_afk: m-p-f 03:06:53 (tagged nums) 03:07:12 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:07:14 tcr: GNUS? 03:07:22 -!- sid3k [~user@li140-93.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:00 If you use what I consider to be the obvious way to implement fixnums, then they will be eq. 03:08:37 (where "you" means "an implementation") 03:08:41 one q i have.. fixnums are considered always eq if they are eql? 03:08:58 the other way around 03:08:59 but not a fixnum to a bignum of the same value of course 03:09:16 bignums and fixnums are disjoint 03:09:53 -!- vng [~vng@123.20.50.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:10:00 right.. on the disjoint.. i was wondering if fixnums had to be implicietly interned.. 03:10:07 bignums of course not 03:10:16 vng [~vng@123.20.56.138] has joined #lisp 03:10:17 they're not interned 03:10:25 in sane implementations, at least 03:10:31 :) 03:11:10 in larkc they entire -2^31 - 2 ^31 is interned 03:11:22 and that saves a ton of mamory 03:11:59 in SBCL fixnums are immediate 03:12:07 (since there are 5 tables that are a million rows long that contain a huge wide variaty of all sorts of the same fixnums) 03:12:08 and in many others implementations 03:12:39 so larkc is guearteed to need at least 10 insteances of every fixnum 03:13:03 dmiles_afk: does it intern everything on 64-bit? 03:13:39 it ends up not interning the ones about 2^32 .. but it'd save ram if it did at times.. 03:13:49 they are 48 bit 03:14:18 those inferior platforms 03:14:24 but they hold a signed 64bit number yeah 03:14:35 With-open-file removes the file in case of error; what's a good name for a clone of w-o-f which does not do that? 03:14:42 it ends up not interning the ones *above* 2^31 .. but it'd save ram if it did at times.. 03:15:22 stassats: indeed.. .. *whine* java need immediate objects 03:16:14 -!- Paraselene [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:31 Paraselene_ [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #lisp 03:19:50 tcr: with-open-file-damnit-dont-remove-my-file-out-from-under-me :) 03:20:23 lisp sucks :-( 03:21:18 dmiles_afk: you can do like python and intern them in a weak hashtable, so that they disappear when nobody's using them. 03:22:13 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:22:21 (it doesn't actually do that with integers, but with some strings) 03:23:12 interning integers other than with an array of smallints is considered too slow to be worth it I think. 03:27:23 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-39-5-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:28:07 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:15 -!- n00p [~z0r@unaffiliated/n00p] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:50 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:32:47 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 03:32:55 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33:29 foom: for outside the the arrays that is a good idea.. toi start hitting the weakhashtable 03:34:07 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:35:59 hohoho [~hohoho@p938c8e.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:37:45 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 03:45:32 -!- aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47:28 aidalgol [~user@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 03:48:08 -!- fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a81-84-225-153.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:48:58 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:49:30 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:25 *vng* go for lunch 03:55:29 for launch? 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06:45:26 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:45:36 good morning 06:49:22 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-8-160.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 06:50:45 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-35-147.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:51:28 npoektop [~npoektop@92.60.84.90] has joined #lisp 06:51:51 -!- vng [~vng@123.20.54.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:52:24 vng [~user@123.21.174.199] has joined #lisp 06:53:19 GOOD MORNING. 06:53:21 hrm... having fixed the load-shared-object problem, now we no longer hang, and it works fine from the command line, but dies from slime. that's no good. 06:54:11 unless I do that from the main thread. arggghhhh.... 06:55:37 Use communication-style :fd-handler? 06:56:06 yeah, that works... but why do I need to do that? 06:57:16 Seems like some kind of macosx threading related restriction? 06:57:53 If you use :spawn, the slime-repl is executed in its own thread as you probably know :-) 07:01:01 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 07:05:39 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:10:33 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@216-164-40-78.c3-0.grg-ubr3.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: quotemstr] 07:14:51 -!- uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:47 uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:16:45 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 07:19:45 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-63-204.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:20:15 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 07:21:28 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:21:48 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:23:11 aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:25:01 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:26 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31:47 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:32:55 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-63-204.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:21 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 07:37:11 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-63-204.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:38:18 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:40:10 hello lispers 07:40:41 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 07:41:14 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-115-189.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:42:00 ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 07:44:00 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-119-36.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:20 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 07:48:27 -!- ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:48:53 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 07:50:43 plage [~user@ssh2.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 07:51:14 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 07:51:48 vtl [~user@nat/redhat/x-ztzdsdjmvatfcdxm] has joined #lisp 07:52:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 07:52:57 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: G'bye] 07:53:15 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:53:18 -!- yoonkn [~yoonkn@112.221.19.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:55:47 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: astoon] 07:56:00 OK, I know nothing about cl-sdl, so I don't know how to install it. It doesn't seem to be supported by clbuild, and using asdf-install requires uffi, which also doesn't seem to be supported by clbuild, and using asdf-istall for it reqires i18n which I can't find. Any ideas? 07:56:02 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:56:27 <_3b> use lispbuilder-sdl instead? 07:56:40 -!- FareWell [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:56:40 -!- dcrawford [~dcrawford@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:56:56 _3b: Instead of cl-sdl? Is lispbuilder-sdl clbuild installable? 07:57:05 dcrawford [~dcrawford@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 07:57:06 FareWell [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 07:57:13 <_3b> i'd expect so, shouldn't be hard to add it if not 07:57:25 OK, I'll try. Thanks. 07:58:09 nuba_ [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 07:59:16 Worked! Thanks! 07:59:20 schme [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 07:59:31 -!- schme is now known as schmxrx 07:59:39 -!- schmxrx is now known as schmrkc 08:00:13 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 08:01:07 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 08:01:46 HET2 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 08:02:01 Any site that explains the difference between cl-sdl and lispbuilder-sdl? (like I said, I know nothing about them, I am just helping longkid install sdl for Lisp). 08:02:21 <_3b> cl-sdl is old, unmaintained, and uses uffi 08:02:36 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:02:41 <_3b> lispbuilder-sdl is actively developed/supported and uses cffi 08:03:00 But the API as seen from Lisp is the same? 08:03:05 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:03:06 <_3b> don't know much about porting code between them, but lb-sdl has lots of docs 08:03:13 -!- schmrkc [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:14 <_3b> i'd expect not the sam though 08:03:20 -!- schmx is now known as schmrkc 08:03:49 _3b: Thanks. There are a certain number of sites talking about it that I don't seem able to reach right now, so I'll check later. 08:04:07 <_3b> i think cl-sdl is closer to the c api, but i never really looked at it closely 08:05:20 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.119.176] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:05:29 plage: http://www.cliki.net/CL-SDL bottom of the page :) 08:05:41 <_3b> code.google.com/p/lispbuilder/ is the current place for lb-sdl info i think, looks like the old sourceforge site still ranks higher on google :( 08:05:55 plage: I'll try logging into that horrible sourceforge and see if I can somehow close the project 08:07:45 aerique: last time I looked, SF didn't allow closing a project 08:08:26 aerique: Thanks! 08:09:37 Do you mean the remark from Erik Winkels? 08:09:59 Do you people think it's proper if I add something like "Use lispbuilder-sdl" to the Cliki cl-sdl page? 08:10:04 plage: yes, that's me 08:10:12 oh, right, Just saw that. 08:10:49 -!- entropi [~entrosca@ip98-167-231-101.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15:06 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:15:54 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20:20 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-119-36.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:21:04 Since I'm trying to create an IMAP4-rev1 client, should I implement the AUTHENTICATE method at first or sould I go only with LOGIN command and then eventually add the AUTHENTICATE, the client is mainly intended to work inside a DMZ 08:21:10 ? 08:21:16 what do you think ? 08:21:54 <_3b> implement what you need first 08:21:56 the client will be used to create a webmail in CL 08:22:02 _3b, oki 08:25:40 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-77-99.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 08:25:44 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:26:54 Does anyone know what the problem with using clbuild to install cl-vectors might be? 08:26:59 hlavaty`` [~user@77-22-102-139-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 08:27:21 [the site that clbuild attempts to use seems to be down] 08:27:32 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-113-17.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27:34 plage: ah. What's the problem? 08:27:51 <_3b> seems to work here, is your clbuild up to date? 08:28:10 cods: timeout from git.tuxee.net. I might have an old version of clbuild. 08:28:19 goes just fine for me too. 08:28:29 OK, I'll just update clbuild. Thanks. 08:28:32 <_3b> nope, looks like it still uses that site 08:28:45 hmm 08:28:49 <_3b> cl-vectors get_git git://git.tuxee.net/cl-vectors 08:29:07 ah.. from git, then it's my fault, git daemon is probably down. Checking.. 08:29:36 is this better now? 08:29:43 cods: It was fine all along (: 08:30:33 ok :) (my serveur rebooted some days ago, I thought something was broken) 08:30:36 server* 08:31:23 actually, I was not aware that cl-vectors was fetched from git (or I forgot about it) 08:31:24 Couldn't close the cl-sdl project. Added a note about lispbuilder-sdl to the cl-sdl.sf.net website. 08:31:37 aerique: good work! 08:32:04 cods: I still can't manage to get it, but it could very well be my clbuild. Since I am doing this to help longkind, I'll let him figure it out. 08:32:10 On a related note: anyone know what happened to Matthew Danish? 08:32:14 Thanks to everyone for helping out. 08:32:18 aerique: without knowing any of the two projects... you should add it if the new one gets more attentione from the developers. and if for nothing else, then for using CFFI instead of UFFI... :) 08:33:06 attila_lendvai: UFFI was the new hot thing when I started using it :) 08:34:01 aerique: ah, you're the author? then you pretty much may do whatever you feel like... :) (i understand the UFFI situation; the world never stops changing...) 08:34:53 -!- pnq [asdf@ACA325F4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:35:47 emacs-dwim [~user@pool-74-102-182-127.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:36:02 attila_lendvai: Well, one of the authors. But at some point there were two cl-sdl projects that merged into one and I kind of lost track of it. 08:36:25 What is the function that partitions a list into sublists of a certain length? 08:38:29 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value.] 08:40:45 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:40:52 emacs-dwim: I don't think there is one. 08:42:18 merl15_ [~merl@188-22-170-147.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 08:42:29 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 08:42:31 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 08:42:31 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #lisp 08:43:57 nunb [~nundan@59.178.221.246] has joined #lisp 08:44:24 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:44:37 -!- plage [~user@ssh2.labri.fr] has left #lisp 08:44:59 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 08:45:10 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:47:55 emacs-dwim: One of those functions is named: (lambda (list lenght) (loop with ll = (length list) while list collect (subseq list 0 (when (< length ll) length)) do (decf ll length) (setf list (nthcdr length list)))) 08:48:25 emacs-dwim: remember that (function-name arguments...) is the way to call a function named function-name. 08:49:02 ((lambda (list length) (loop with ll = (length list) while list collect (subseq list 0 (when (< length ll) length)) do (decf ll length) (setf list (nthcdr length list)))) '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8) 3) --> ((1 2 3) (4 5 6) (7 8)) 08:49:24 Some functions have names longer than others... 08:52:19 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:54:53 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:55:52 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 08:57:15 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B200304.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:00:05 mbohun [~mbohun@150.101.115.156] has joined #lisp 09:00:10 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:14 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754ccf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:04:16 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:05:33 fiveop [~fiveop@dfn189.rz.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #lisp 09:08:50 pjb``: thanks. 09:09:09 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:12:20 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:07 WVDSCHEL [~wim@195.207.16.86.static.hosted.by.easyhost.be] has joined #lisp 09:19:59 is it possible to install hunchentoot on windows in CCL (I'm using the test version of lispbox) 09:24:49 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 09:25:13 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-11-209.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:25:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:25:51 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@122-57-0-151.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:14 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:30:34 Sukoshi`` [~MuneNoKag@user-11fa65f.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 09:33:32 -!- GrayGnome` [~MuneNoKag@vpn3-144178.near.uiuc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:34:52 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 09:39:23 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 09:39:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:39:25 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 09:41:06 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.59.220] has left #lisp 09:45:07 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:45:15 -!- shadowspar [~rick@S010600212974d18c.su.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46:41 -!- sglinux [~sglinux@cm135.gamma91.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:49:11 sglinux [~sglinux@cm135.gamma91.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 09:49:44 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754ccf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:07 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:53 -!- lharc [~shrek@88.131.67.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:04 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 10:07:40 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 10:08:24 did anyone succesfully build sbcl head on linux x86_64 after the darwin dlsym cleanups? (last 1-2 days) 10:08:27 -!- emacs-dwim [~user@pool-74-102-182-127.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08:56 WVDSCHEL: Seems someone has done it: http://sean-ross.blogspot.com/2009/03/hunchentoot-ccl-and-windows.html 10:09:33 but you might have to download and install a bunch of libraries. I'm hoping to put something in lispbox to make things like this easy 10:11:40 attila_lendvai: I tried it last week end and could not. 10:11:53 (either with clisp or an older sbcl binary). 10:12:25 i suspect that a #include was unintentionally dropped from non-darwin builds 10:12:30 *attila_lendvai* pokes nyef 10:12:39 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:13:35 *attila_lendvai* tries his hypothesis 10:13:37 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:46 sepult` [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:16:49 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-63-204.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:20:28 aw [~aw@p5DDA8F3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:21:41 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: astoon] 10:23:06 is there a way to dump what's in an SBCL fasl file in a somewhat readable form? some internal sbcl function perhaps? 10:23:40 -!- sepult` [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:15 andreer: thanks, I can't seem to figure out how to install everything, so I'll just stick to my linux setup for the time being 10:24:56 I have a symbol in fasl which should not be there, but can't figure out which symbol is it 10:25:13 the actual problem is that during loading the fasl the symbol's package is not found 10:25:15 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 10:26:48 Edward__ [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-152.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:27:13 -!- cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:29:00 Blkt [~user@93-33-134-2.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 10:30:17 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:32:16 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:32:55 shadowspar [~rick@S010600212974d18c.su.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 10:32:57 -!- maus [~maus@123.20.5.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:34:50 levente_meszaros: that used to happen with (in-package foo) 10:35:00 levente_meszaros: but i fixed it long ago...i wonder if it's something similar. 10:35:24 Xach, I think this is a load order issue with some redefinition 10:36:46 if I could figure out what symbols are in the fasl, I could probably fix the issue 10:37:17 levente_meszaros: that would be an interesting project. 10:39:04 right now I'm trying to C-c some internal functions and trace stuff, but the SBCL fasl loader is quite tricky 10:50:31 chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has joined #lisp 10:50:51 hey is there a trylisp equivalent to tryruby/tryhaskell/tryclojure? 10:53:08 plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 10:53:13 Good evening! 10:53:19 ciao! 10:53:42 chrisdone: It is spelled "chào". 10:54:02 at least where I am. 10:54:20 where I am it's spelled "ciao" >_> 10:54:55 chrisdone: there was once a telnet repl 10:55:07 right 10:56:23 anyway i was thinking the code on tryhaskell.org is really easy to apply to any language. if anyone's interested in setting up a CL sandbox and writing a little interactive tutorial, i can host the site and the domain trylisp.org 10:57:01 What approach does it take to sandboxing? 10:57:23 I am getting an error: invalid nr of arguments: 3 while the function itself actually needs 3 arguments 10:57:38 re-evaluating the expression fixes the problem 10:57:54 but it is consistent, when I restart slime and try it again I have the same problem 10:58:09 Xach: the site itself merely talks to a JSON service which provides the sandbox. if you mean what does the haskell approach take, it disallows IO and has rlimits set to stop memory/CPU usage 10:58:52 Murdoc [~uhhh@host86-176-34-92.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:59:05 lharc [~shrek@88.131.67.194] has joined #lisp 10:59:15 PissedNumlock: Could you paste the code? 10:59:40 PissedNumlock: As in, what is it that you do after starting SLIME? 11:00:32 load the asdf file and execute my test-statement 11:00:38 Xach: if you can hook up a service like this: http://tryhaskell.org/haskell.json?method=eval&pad=handleJSON&expr=1*2 11:00:38 Xach: then it's good to go. i could set up the page to hook up to it and then it's just down to someone writing a tutorial 11:00:49 but trying the limit it to a smaller testcase 11:01:34 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-182-71-161.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:30 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BA6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:03:12 anyway i've registered trylisp.org and trylisp.com to get the ball rolling. let me know if interested! 11:03:36 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:04:45 chrisdone: I think Xach is trying to warn you that sandboxing might be harder in CL than you might think. 11:04:59 plage: well I thought it might be. I seem to remember it being 11:05:10 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.221.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:17 but I'm hoping someone somewhere has done something stable 11:05:20 -!- HET2 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:45 nunb [~nundan@59.178.68.177] has joined #lisp 11:06:20 fledermaus [~vivek@2a01:348:16d:0:221:6aff:fe13:5d08] has joined #lisp 11:06:35 http://paste.lisp.org/display/111099 11:06:44 I dont get it, as trace even shows the correct nr of arguments 11:06:44 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 11:07:43 problem is that the project is quite big so reducing it to a limited test case is quite hard 11:09:07 -!- Dodek [dodek@jest.pro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:09:30 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-155-23.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:03 -!- RustyWheeler [~russell@60-241-37-219.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #lisp 11:11:32 fuck me sideways, got it 11:12:00 obviously I have redefined the function in another file, was to be expected 11:12:53 chrisdone: Since it is hard, that might not be the case. 11:14:34 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:14:42 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-162-159.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 11:15:13 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:15:14 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 11:16:18 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 11:16:41 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:46 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:18:46 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:46 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:18:54 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.6] 11:21:07 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:15 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:23:52 egoz [~Egoz@114.79.55.213] has joined #lisp 11:24:47 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:11 stassats: I made two new commits to swap-bytes 11:25:27 laynor [~user@dhcp-892b9a50.ucd.ie] has joined #lisp 11:25:55 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:27:44 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 11:28:30 fe[nl]ix: merged, thanks 11:29:03 -!- fledermaus [~vivek@2a01:348:16d:0:221:6aff:fe13:5d08] has left #lisp 11:30:28 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 11:30:29 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has joined #lisp 11:31:36 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:41 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:34:01 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:10 i don't remember which is the global var to set to nil to make read-from-string not to eval 11:37:50 is it sufficient to set *read-eval* to nil ? 11:37:54 -!- hlavaty`` [~user@77-22-102-139-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:01 that is the global var involved. 11:38:33 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:37 thx 11:39:18 <_3b> that isn't the only risk if you don't trust the input though 11:39:42 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:39:45 hlavaty [~user@77-22-102-139-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:40:31 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:04 chrisdone: regarding sandboxing, lambdabot uses a rather elaborate scheme 11:42:02 *p_l* can also set up an OS sandbox on Linux that shouldbe safe enough, but someone would need to provide server that could be configured to run customized kernel 11:43:09 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 11:44:24 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA8F3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 11:44:53 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:00 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:46:01 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:46:12 HG` [~HG@xdslex206.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:47:30 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 11:49:23 Guthur [~michael@host86-136-55-105.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:50:10 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has left #lisp 11:50:39 tcr [~tcr@118.101.119.176] has joined #lisp 11:51:44 _3b: what else? nukeing # and perhaps a few others in the read-table? 11:51:50 _3b, I use it to use imap flags on select command, anyway which other global should I set to nil (or t ) ? 11:52:02 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:18 -!- lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 11:52:44 kiuma: are you writing an imap server? 11:52:46 <_3b> getting rid of # probably gets rid of the worst of it, there is still : and :: interning things though, which you can't disable 11:53:11 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:55:17 -!- l_a_m [~nlamiraul@194.51.71.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:09 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-17-6-14.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [] 11:56:33 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:58 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 11:59:00 hypno, no not now, just imap client lib, I'll use it to write a webmail based on CLAW 11:59:11 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:13 but maybe I'll implement later on 11:59:15 kiuma: ah. ok. 11:59:17 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@p938c8e.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:43 Murdox [~uhhh@host86-180-169-134.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:03:34 l_a_m [~nlamiraul@194.51.71.190] has joined #lisp 12:03:36 p_l: I would be interested in that, actually. 12:03:58 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:04:43 -!- Murdoc [~uhhh@host86-176-34-92.range86-176.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:05:44 -!- tsuru [~user@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:01 -!- PuffTheMagic [~quassel@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:08:20 PuffTheMagic [~quassel@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has joined #lisp 12:08:25 ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 12:10:58 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 12:10:58 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:12:28 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:14:27 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:00 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 12:15:33 -!- ejs [~eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:16:00 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 12:16:13 pkhuong: just in sandboxing or in setting up a server for newbies? 12:16:15 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:19 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-132-61.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:53 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:17:55 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 12:18:46 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:54 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 12:19:31 fusss already proposed a "teaching server" once, except with a full ssh access for registered users 12:19:42 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:19:47 p_l: both, if I'm decently assured that the server is secure. 12:21:57 -!- guenther_ [~unknown@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:22:06 is there a good reason why sbcl does not give a warning on macro redefinition? 12:22:35 as long as it does not give false positives I would consider this a good feature 12:23:32 -!- brickhazel [~brickhaze@63.144.132.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23:50 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:51 merl15__ [~merl@188-22-20-91.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 12:24:30 pkhuong: well, I can contribute some of my free time to work on that, I can even have the sandboxed CL have full functionality (it's just that the I/O would be limited to small space and no access to devices etc.) 12:24:50 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:26:34 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:34 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:27:35 -!- merl15_ [~merl@188-22-170-147.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:27:40 I say we get gigamonkey on that as well, at least to get certain allowances regarding PCL use - I'd gladly see an updated, and possibly better formatted version of it for such site, possibly with special, cross-referenced PCL+trylisp+CLHS version integrated into whatever the site uses for UI 12:29:29 -!- thorne` [~user@67.42.142.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:44 Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 12:30:18 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:17 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:31:35 *p_l* is a blunt evangelist - the more people he gets to use CL, the less he has to write himself ^_- 12:33:26 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:24 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:37:33 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:31 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:41:03 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:04 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:43:00 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:46:46 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:49:42 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 12:51:35 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 12:53:13 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.119.176] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55:08 tcr [~tcr@118.101.119.176] has joined #lisp 12:58:01 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:02:08 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@150.101.115.156] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:52 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:05:07 -!- Samy [~sbahra@c-68-48-66-31.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:11 -!- uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:09:26 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has joined #lisp 13:12:51 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:48 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:21:21 asarch [~asarch@189.188.150.159] has joined #lisp 13:22:04 -!- nuba_ is now known as nuba 13:22:09 p_l: hey that sounds great. tryhaskell is a linode server so you could compile a custom kernel. though that sounds a bit far fetched? lambdabot's sandbox is pretty simple, it uses mueval which is what tryhaskell uses. uses the GHC interpreter library and IO functions just aren't in scope. nothing really elaborate 13:23:19 chrisdone: I don't trust any sort of restriction I'd build in a CL. OS-level jails are simpler and better tested by people smarter than me. 13:23:29 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:23:52 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dfn189.rz.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 13:24:45 how can I "(defmethod delete ((is imap-socket) mailbox-name) ...) ? I have "DELETE already names an ordinary function or a macro." 13:24:52 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:53 -!- chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:02 kiuma: shadow cl:delete with kiuma-package:delete. 13:25:05 but i'd like "delete" as it's the imap command name 13:25:12 -!- hohum [dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:25:13 pkhuong, thx 13:25:23 chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has joined #lisp 13:25:25 hohum [dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:26 sellout [~greg@2002:4855:eb9a:0:21d:4fff:fefe:c504] has joined #lisp 13:25:28 Or prefix your IMAP command functions with something. 13:25:41 sorry, can you repeat what you just said, my emacs just froze and I couldn't C-x b 13:25:43 with a package name! 13:25:52 minion: logs? 13:25:55 Oh. 13:25:57 No minion? 13:25:58 I like explicit package qualifiers for that sort of thing. All the interface is in the IMAP package, for instance, but all the code in IMAP-IMPL. 13:26:14 chrisdone: I don't trust any sort of restriction I'd build in a CL. OS-level jails are simpler and better tested by people smarter than me. 13:26:37 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:27:03 That's a fair approach, and meshes well with things like the usual habit of not :USEing CLX's XLIB package... 13:29:55 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.166.220] has joined #lisp 13:30:04 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:31:54 stassats, isnt better just imap4:delete ? 13:32:49 Why imap4 and not imap? 13:33:29 when I call (error 'server-error :message result-op-description) how do I see the message in sldb buffer ? 13:33:40 I mean the message 13:34:03 I only see SERVER-ERROR 13:34:12 but no detail 13:34:44 Does the SERVER-ERROR condition have a... report function, I think it is? 13:35:18 nyef, I have a reader 13:35:33 Does it have a printer? 13:35:51 uh, no, I don't think so 13:37:10 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ojvlxjteahamxyxn] has left #lisp 13:37:52 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-11-209.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:37:57 nyef, is it :report ? 13:38:02 Might be. 13:38:12 It's been a while since I've defined a condition class. 13:38:52 same hare as you may have guessed :) 13:38:55 *here 13:42:06 :report in the options is where you put your print of the form (func (condition stream) ....) 13:42:45 umm, well a function of that form 13:43:25 I just did (lambda (condition stream) ....), 13:45:59 Guthur, yea seen in chls: anyway is (class-name (class-of condition)) correct ? 13:46:33 Would TYPE-OF work? 13:46:45 -!- redline6561 [~redline@adsl-190-191-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:13 kiuma, yes that's correct 13:47:24 yea, better :) 13:47:34 nyef 13:47:51 only for integral types ? 13:48:07 user-defined ones not ? 13:49:12 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754ccf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:44 -!- merl15__ [~merl@188-22-20-91.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:18 Stattrav [~Stattrav@124.125.181.135] has joined #lisp 13:52:33 Is there any reference/link about implementing text buffers in text editors? 13:54:38 Yeah, Craig Finseth's book. 13:54:45 fiveop [~fiveop@g229241010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:54:54 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:55:00 http://www.finseth.com/craft/ 13:56:36 nyef: thanks! 13:56:41 chrisdone: what I meant by elaborate is the scheme that mueval uses, which was iirc developed for lambdabot 13:57:14 (regarding slow answers: my network has policy of "disconnect upon detection of traffic", or something similar. Too regular to be a RNG) 13:57:50 Murdoc [~uhhh@host86-182-97-111.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:58:01 -!- j4K0b [~j4k0bk@93.160.119.14] has quit [] 13:58:31 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-180-169-134.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:02 chrisdone: linode is a good place to get hosting, though 13:59:04 lambdabot had a mental way of doing it then was replaced by mueval which can be reduced to this file: http://github.com/chrisdone/mueval-interactive/blob/master/Mueval/Interpreter.hs 13:59:17 Still someone(s) would need to fund it 13:59:18 Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:00:25 p_l: sure! http://tryhaskell.org is already hosted on linode. i get like 0% load and 1%< bandwidth. you can use that 14:01:13 just setup a web service somewhere with this jail method as a proof and then i'll duplicate it on trylisp.org 14:01:19 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:02:48 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:03:11 Bah why does defgeneric not provide a restart to make the old definition unbound 14:03:26 chrisdone: ok, I'll look into it. I'll try getting gigamonkey onboard for that and making a slightly more advanced REPL than the one one tryhaskell uses :-) 14:03:41 I think I complained about that a few weeks ago :-) maybe time I should pull out my commit rights 14:03:50 p_l: nice one! 14:05:16 p_l: you dissin' my REPL? :p 14:05:28 does anybody have experience with imap ? 14:05:34 chrisdone: nope. It's just very simple, and I thought about adding some extra stuff :) 14:05:46 p_l: what like? 14:06:34 I'm trying to send the following command "a004 create jhondoe/" but the server replies with invalid mailbox name 14:06:47 ejs [~eugen@153-91-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:53 kiuma: why? 14:06:56 p_l: could you add code hints to the online repl? 14:07:04 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:04 chrisdone: nice output for apropos, describe, etc., as well as way to display relevant documentation in the same window, lists of possible command completion, arglists... basically, pulling a SLIME :P 14:07:22 p_l: hahaha that's hardcore 14:07:35 Xach, I'm writing an imap client library (rfc3501) in lisp 14:07:52 chrisdone: tryhaskell.org looks nice 14:07:57 kiuma: i mean, why does the server say that? 14:08:08 madnificent: cheers 14:08:13 Xach, it's my question :) 14:08:13 kiuma: is / a valid character for imap folders ? 14:08:30 kiuma: maybe you could read rfc3501 and tell me when you find out. 14:08:35 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:09:08 kiuma: #lisp is likely not the right channel to ask about imap ;) 14:09:10 p_l: i'm gonna add a CodeMirror editor at some point so you can do the kind of DrScheme style coding, and get users to write functions as exercises, and use QuickCheck to check the answers :P 14:09:23 Micropple [~bubble@p54AA712C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:24 madnificent, yea 14:09:35 p_l: i imagine you'd envisage the REPL being a fully-fledged editor in its own right w/ multi-line editing 14:10:35 p_l: ymacs is an option. the guy who wrote it is sat behind me :p 14:10:35 chrisdone: QuickCheck is basically writing some tests and see if they return the same results? 14:11:23 madnificent: well it random generates values for a function based on the type. e.g. you write a sort function, you can test it by writing quickCheck ( 14:11:26 *madnificent* doesn't think it is smart to add an emacs guide in a trylisp.org thing 14:11:28 kiuma: 1) take a good imap client, 2) sniff its connections to the server, 3) try to understand the commands then 4) replicate that in code 14:11:40 quickCheck (\xs -> mySort xs == standardSort xs) 14:11:45 i think lisp has a QuickCheck 14:11:46 chrisdone: ah right, it was fairly simple to write in haskell, no? 14:11:46 whatever crazy things people do just not to use Emacs 14:11:54 in fact most langs do 14:12:02 assert? 14:12:09 I've got a reply on ##imap 14:12:17 madnificent: sure 14:12:27 Xach, do you still want to know why ? 14:12:39 stassats: no, assert does testing for you, but QuickCheck actually generates possible input for your functions, if I recall correctly 14:13:11 http://www.accesscom.com/~darius/software/clickcheck.html 14:13:24 stassats: You know what might be nice.. if autodoc understood eql-specializers. like (foo :bar |), where it would display only the &key for FOO spec'd on (EQL :BAR) 14:13:46 seems alright 14:14:05 kiuma: I'm interested. (I think you should request what the separator is with the LIST command, but I'm not sure) 14:14:28 kuwabara, you are correct 14:14:52 separator is "." in my courier-imap server 14:15:04 tcr: i don't think i understand you 14:15:32 stassats: at the moment autodoc grabs all available &keys for a GF not minding the context 14:16:08 i think i do understand now 14:16:10 stassats: in case of eql-specializers on symbols we do have the context available though to DTRT 14:16:37 I haven't written that part of autodoc though and I always meant to rewrite it :-) 14:16:40 kuwabara, I'll get the separator after the login command :) 14:22:23 Odin- [~sbkhh@157.157.93.22] has joined #lisp 14:22:39 morning 14:23:06 Hello slyrus. 14:23:26 Ready to unbreak the build on non-darwin targets? 14:23:33 oh, sorry! 14:23:45 sure 14:24:16 what's the failure mode? 14:24:31 tools-for-build/grovel-headers doesn't build on non-darwin. 14:24:43 You took out a system #include. 14:24:51 non-darwin/non-linux? 14:25:12 Broke linux x86-64, at least. 14:25:53 Look in the commitdiff as to what happens with . 14:26:10 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.119.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:26:30 oh, I see... sorry 14:27:49 sky slyrus 14:28:17 kiuma: how did you find the answer? 14:28:29 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:35 And, while we're on the subject of darwin hacking, what's your thought on https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/309067 ? 14:28:56 Xach, I asked on ##imap (now there is someone :) ) 14:29:10 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 14:29:25 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:29:31 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:30:11 nyef: I don't have any currently functioning PPC boxes, so that's a very low priority for me. 14:30:30 It affects x86oids too. 14:30:33 if the bluegene supercomputer version ran on darwin, it might be higher priority :) 14:30:39 oh, well in that case!! 14:31:02 As far as the PPC version goes, some of the support code for PPC generally was never written. 14:31:07 well, I've lived without it this long... 14:31:27 So, split into two bugs and downgrade them both to medium? 14:31:28 tcr [~tcr@203.82.92.54] has joined #lisp 14:31:52 sounds reasonable to me 14:33:19 kiuma: superb! 14:33:31 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:35:23 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:35:28 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 14:35:46 -!- chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:12 anybody around to test the ppc/darwin build (after I check in the fix)? 14:36:51 *nyef* can't, his mac doesn't have a usable install of darwin. 14:37:12 Xach, why are you sarcastic ? I adopt the easiest solution pattern. When I've no reply , then I try to investigate deeply myself, but I don't like to stop a process everytime I don't know something :P 14:37:40 ... That was sarcastic? 14:38:04 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has joined #lisp 14:39:17 well I think 14:39:30 but I have another info for separator 14:40:22 if available use "namespace" command , if not call LIST "" "" 14:40:39 info from imap experts 14:41:08 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:41:58 Dodek [dodek@jest.pro] has joined #lisp 14:42:08 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:44:37 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 14:44:46 redline6561 [~redline@adsl-190-191-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:52 kiuma: I'm genuinely glad you found an answer in an appropriate venue. I hope it will encourage you to ask in appropriate venues before you ask in #lisp. 14:48:01 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:49:21 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 14:53:35 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@66.183.224.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:58:37 -!- abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:59:12 -!- shadowspar [~rick@S010600212974d18c.su.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:18 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@124.125.181.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:01:26 then I'm more servere with myself then you :) 15:02:39 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:02:49 -!- benny [~benny@i577A20EA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:03:13 -!- npoektop [~npoektop@92.60.84.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:05:26 antifuchs: around? 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15:49:23 milanj [~milanj_@93.86.187.178] has joined #lisp 15:51:17 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 15:52:05 slyrus: Is that the one where the errno changed between darwin versions, or the one where the pathname needs an explicit external-format? 15:52:15 the latter 15:52:24 I think 15:52:56 If it's the external-format thing, it should probably just be committed already, unless it's known to break other targets or other versions of darwin. 15:53:34 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:40 well, it works with our darwin-langinfo, but not with the system provided one 15:53:50 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 15:56:43 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:58:06 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.6] 15:58:53 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 16:00:20 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.96.7.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:02:05 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:02:23 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:30 Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.248.2] has joined #lisp 16:02:58 hmm... yeah, that langinfo returns US-ASCII. 16:03:25 -!- BillyWilly [~m@ppp85-140-162-188.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:07:10 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-171-25-183.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:07:57 nyef: any suggestions? our nl_langinfo seems wrong, as does papering over the error. 16:08:49 Nothing springs immediately to mind. 16:08:53 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:54 -!- Guthur [~michael@host86-136-55-105.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:10 *nyef* is knee deep in PPC branch instruction encodings right now. 16:09:22 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-124-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:09:50 ok, thanks anyway 16:10:09 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.129.207] has joined #lisp 16:11:18 entrosca [~entrosca@ip98-167-231-101.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:33 ... Agh! I need the bloody CTR available for all conditional branches. :-/ 16:17:55 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:18:24 tritchey [~tritchey@205.233.9.181] has joined #lisp 16:20:07 -!- entrosca [~entrosca@ip98-167-231-101.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:22:21 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:23:31 ponce [~ponce@paradisia.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@203.82.92.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25:54 -!- vtl [~user@nat/redhat/x-ztzdsdjmvatfcdxm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:19 varjag [~eugene@59-120-36-179.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:32 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 16:30:47 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:30:54 ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:58 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:38:29 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-124-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:38:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:45 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:10 b4|hraban [~b4@a83-163-41-120.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 16:44:58 -!- billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:08 Hun [~hun@95-90-225-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:48:47 jajcloz [~jaj@2002:4855:eb9a:0:219:e3ff:fe02:96b8] has joined #lisp 16:49:23 hi, can I add "hooks" to (quit) ? i.e., when (quit) is issued, (print 'quitting) before sbcl dies? or do I have to defun my-quit 16:49:37 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has left #lisp 16:49:40 Okay, hopefully that's all of the mind-twisting bit-manipulation I have to do today. 16:49:54 egn: Have you considered an unwind-protect? 16:50:52 egn: sb-ext:*exit-hooks* 16:50:55 Or, hey, apropos for *exit-hooks*. 16:51:09 (fe[nl]ix wins.) 16:51:16 look at that. nyef fe[nl]ix , thanks 16:51:26 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has joined #lisp 16:51:33 Mind what happens with this stuff in a multi-threaded environment. 16:51:44 will do 16:54:01 argh... load-shared-object from a thread breaks sbcl/darwin. works on linux/darwin and works on another thread in a simple C test. 16:54:48 slyrus: linux/darwin ? 16:55:07 darwin/x86-64 (probably x86 too) 16:56:44 Okay, silly compile errors fixed. Clearly I haven't used C seriously in way too long. 16:57:46 austinh [~austinh@c-24-21-81-46.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:05 Then again, return ctr_ok && ((bo_field & 0x10) || !(((cr >> (31-bi_field)) ^ (bo_field >> 3)) & 1)); is good indication that I can still do the bit-twiddling parts. 16:58:39 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93.86.187.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:38 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:21 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [] 17:00:33 -!- Micropple [~bubble@p54AA712C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:01:26 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.184.255] has joined #lisp 17:01:34 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:02:33 chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has joined #lisp 17:02:52 hey p_l, made a start yet? :p 17:03:14 *stassats* made a stop 17:04:28 *drewc* made go 17:04:43 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:04:44 -!- moeffju is now known as moeffju[Away] 17:05:08 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 17:05:11 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.68.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:49 nunb [~nundan@59.178.201.89] has joined #lisp 17:06:13 Micropple [~bubble@p54AA4ACB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:32 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 17:07:44 uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:46 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@157.157.93.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:08:45 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:10 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslex206.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 17:10:33 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-102-139-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:20 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:14:55 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:15:38 ... Unable to do inline fixnum arithmetic because the first argument is an unsigned-byte, not a fixnum, the result is a (values (integer 1) &optional), not a (values fixnum &rest t)? This is sufficient to prevent inlining? 17:15:51 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:16:02 *exit-hooks*? who knew! 17:16:23 drewc: Not I! They helpful to you? 17:16:28 not in the least 17:16:37 Sounds about right to me. 17:17:13 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 17:17:25 the only exit hooks that could possible run on my lisp instances would have to be triggered by the UPS saying 'ok, 30 seconds of power left' 17:17:43 why would you want to exit your lisp?! :) 17:17:55 lisp can't work without power? 17:18:03 nyef: why would you want to inline a generic integer + fixnum addition? 17:18:10 ... The SBCL build cycle time is still the kiss of death to productivity. I can't even work on something else because I need all of this swapped-in state to be able to diagnose it later. 17:18:28 jsnell: Isn't (integer 1) a suitably constrained result type? 17:18:43 Or am I misremembering? 17:18:58 it's 1 or higher, not exactly 1 17:19:02 Ahh. 17:19:05 Okay, fair enough. 17:19:10 nyef: faster CPUs? 17:19:35 slyrus: Parallelizable build would help, or a good subsettable build. 17:19:49 well, load-shared-library _used_ to work from another thread (with the dlshim even!) 17:19:51 It's hard to get a faster G5, you know? 17:19:54 heh 17:20:14 I don't understand how this stuff originally got written with 80s hardware 17:20:16 can't you get them faster if you get like 1024 of them in the same box? :) 17:20:28 jsnell: yeah, i've often wondered that 17:20:39 -!- laynor [~user@dhcp-892b9a50.ucd.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:43 Probably, but this box was free. 17:20:55 milanj [~milanj_@109.92.114.244] has joined #lisp 17:20:59 And runs linux, not some single-tasking system. 17:21:09 nyef: think there's a chance the dlopen failing on a thread might be due to thread stack misalignment? 17:21:51 Maybe, but isn't there already some alignment stuff in the call-out sequence? 17:23:06 yeah, I think there is 17:23:23 It's been so long i've completely forgotten how to run under gdb... 17:30:25 -!- varjag [~eugene@59-120-36-179.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:30:51 -!- Sukoshi`` is now known as GrayGonme 17:31:36 slightly OT: If there are any linux (Xen) administrators out there looking for part-time/contract/on-call type work, please get in touch with me. There is some lisp involved as well. 17:31:55 Oh, cute. Looks like the runtime was using TWI <= REG_ZERO with a constant for the breakpoint trap. 17:32:02 Which is just -not- going to fire. 17:32:15 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 17:32:45 Yet another build, 40-50 minutes. 17:32:52 okay, so I still don't know how the TLS alloc is failing 17:33:01 but I have an isolated test case I'm going to upload to launchpad. :) 17:33:03 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-21-82-64-65-239.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:33:26 Does locking the index lock release "fix" it, though? 17:34:20 -!- vng [~user@123.21.174.199] has quit [Quit: G'night] 17:35:07 I haven't tested that yet. I'll try that, though, even though if it does fix it, I'll be quite irritated, because it shouldn't. :) 17:36:28 well, at least I remembered the bare basics of jsnell's instructions on how to run sbcl under gdb 17:36:51 -!- billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:01 http://paste.lisp.org/display/111116 17:38:03 gz [~gz@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:59 test case: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49617825/thread-test.lisp 17:39:14 recompiling sbcl to test that change. 17:40:17 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 17:40:20 Joreji [~thomas@94-135.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:40:53 You need a true multi-cpu system for that, not just a hyperthread or multi-core cpu, right? 17:40:58 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 17:41:35 -!- Dodek [dodek@jest.pro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:42:14 nyef: I'm not sure, good idea to test that though 17:42:50 cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has joined #lisp 17:42:59 jdz [~jdz@host38-222-static.48-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:44:27 nyef: why not a multi-core ? 17:44:58 fe[nl]ix: Wouldn't they share caches? 17:45:31 multi-core certainly has different behavior w.r.t. cache coherency than multi-chip. 17:46:04 Nshag [~shag@lns-bzn-24-82-64-181-220.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:05 not sure if it's relevant or not here, I'll hopefully know soon. :) 17:48:41 astalla [~astalla@93-36-225-107.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 17:48:51 -!- cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:59 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49:33 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 17:49:33 moah [~gnu@dslb-084-063-216-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:59 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-39-5-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:50:30 eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has joined #lisp 17:50:55 rmarynch [~roman@bras-9-ge-62.122.200.236.utm.if.ua] has joined #lisp 17:51:21 ... Hey, can we profitably squash "forced to do GENERIC-+" and similar notes by calling GENERIC-+ in the source instead of +? 17:51:26 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 17:52:14 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:34 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.248.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:54:41 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has joined #lisp 17:54:42 -!- Edward__ [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-152.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:56:16 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 17:56:51 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.92.114.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:56:58 ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:10 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-124-210.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:43 Hello. I think that I have found a bug in SBCL, or I do not understand dynamic extent correctly. Why does this code http://paste.lisp.org/display/111118 return the list instead of signaling an error? 17:59:32 rmarynch: Because a given implementation is not -required- to signal an error when you lie to the compiler? 17:59:42 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:54 slyrus: I just saw your paste. CFInitialize must be called on the main thread, or it gets angry and executes an INT 3 to spite you. (This is new behavior for 10.6, I believe.) 18:00:24 rme: Can that be done once, or does it always happen in dlopen()? 18:00:52 nyef: but CLHS says that this code is invalid. Can we give a style warning on it? 18:00:55 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:01:28 milanj [~milanj_@178.223.145.168] has joined #lisp 18:01:30 In principle, yes. 18:01:51 nyef: I assume it only needs to be done once. 18:01:57 Murdox [~uhhh@host86-183-172-31.range86-183.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:00 in practice, surely it's more expensive to do that than to just let it happen? 18:02:28 rsynnott: In practice, it depends on where the expense lands. 18:03:01 Do we even know -how- to do the analysis? How hard would it be to add to the compiler as it is now? Etc. 18:03:59 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:04:00 cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has joined #lisp 18:04:21 Well, I'm one step closer: The breakpoint trap actually triggers now. Unfortunately, there seems to be something wrong with the lisp-side breakpoint handling. 18:04:49 -!- Murdoc [~uhhh@host86-182-97-111.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04:52 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.201.89] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:05:12 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:27 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 18:05:30 maden [~maden@dsl-147-53.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 18:05:38 ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:30 Foreign function call looks to be faked properly... 18:08:04 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:06 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:28 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:59 When opening shared libraries on ccl/darwin, I sometimes end up doing (call-in-initial-process #'(lambda () (open-shared-library "/System/Library/Frameworks/Cocoa.framework/Cocoa"))) or whatever. 18:10:09 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:21 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-225-199-229.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:51 -!- rmarynch [~roman@bras-9-ge-62.122.200.236.utm.if.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:12:39 ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:53 marcelinollano [~marcelino@83.33.12.133] has joined #lisp 18:13:02 -!- chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:13:07 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:13:38 merl15__ [~merl@188-22-20-91.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 18:13:40 ... Did this -ever- work? 18:13:49 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:05 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 18:14:07 Seriously, are there any non-x86oid targets for which TRACE :ENCAPSULATE NIL actually works? 18:14:23 -!- ans [~user@84.41.90.123] has left #lisp 18:14:48 mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 18:15:20 -!- ejs [~eugen@248-131-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:43 -!- ponce [~ponce@paradisia.net] has left #lisp 18:15:48 okay, good. replacing the unlock with an xchg doesn't fix the problem. :) 18:16:00 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 18:16:18 Also, it still happens on a single-die 4core i7. 18:17:11 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:11 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:11 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:11 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:11 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- qsun_ [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- rapacity [~prwg@unaffiliated/rapacity] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-135-150-153.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- dym [~dym@217.20.175.226] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:17:12 -!- Aperculum [~laurihak@unaffiliated/aperculum] has quit [*.net *.split] 18:18:26 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 18:18:26 ve [~a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 18:18:26 Aperculum [~laurihak@unaffiliated/aperculum] has joined #lisp 18:19:00 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 18:19:52 dym [~dym@217.20.175.226] has joined #lisp 18:19:53 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:20:17 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:20:29 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 18:21:04 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:35 rapacity [~prwg@li30-188.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:22:23 -!- uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:22:31 -!- rootzlevel [~user@91-66-217-25-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:06 -!- marcelinollano [~marcelino@83.33.12.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23:41 qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has joined #lisp 18:24:34 Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-135-150-153.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:58 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:26:16 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:27:02 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-162-159.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:04 daniel___ [~daniel@p5082E09F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:13 HG` [~HG@xdslam141.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 18:27:45 Okay, fails-on '(or :ppc :sparc :mips). 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20:02:52 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:03:20 Murdoc [~uhhh@host81-159-143-23.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:23 -!- pnq [asdf@AC810674.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:04:24 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B2009E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:05:41 aw|rerun [~aw@p5DDA8F3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:54 I've just installed SLIME, and it doesn't seem to do the handy autocomplete thing 20:06:22 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-180-85-138.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:06:46 I'm using SBCL built from source, and a slime nightly, anyone know what could be wrong? 20:06:48 Murdox [~uhhh@host86-179-111-12.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:06:56 anything else I've tried works fine 20:07:14 -!- aw|rerun is now known as aw 20:07:20 marioxcc [~user@200.92.160.189] has joined #lisp 20:08:25 WVDSCHEL: what do you mean 'doesn't seem to do the handy autocomplete thing'? 20:09:18 -!- Murdoc [~uhhh@host81-159-143-23.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:09:21 drewc: ah, well, as I type in the lisp shell and bash tab, it does nothing 20:10:14 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:11:28 WVDSCHEL: by 'lisp shell' do you mean the REPL in your *inferior-lisp* buffer, the slime-repl, or in a source file? 20:12:28 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-CDE684CB.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: gz] 20:12:28 -!- gz [~gz@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: gz] 20:12:35 drewc: *inferior-lisp* buffer 20:12:57 WVDSCHEL: well, that explains why slime isn't completing anything... you're not using slime! 20:13:05 try loading the slime-repl contrib if you want a REPL 20:13:09 okay, whew, bug found 20:13:14 that took me too long. :P 20:13:24 (inst mov target 1) 20:13:25 (zeroize rax-tn) 20:13:33 WVDSCHEL: and M-Tab _should_ work in a .lisp that's in slime-mode 20:13:34 guess what happens if target == rax! 20:14:00 foom: nothing good i'm sure :) 20:14:29 laynor [~user@109.78.124.162] has joined #lisp 20:14:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:15:06 -!- laynor [~user@109.78.124.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:30 drewc: thanks! 20:16:30 WVDSCHEL: you want slime-fancy 20:16:31 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 20:16:36 laynor [~user@109.78.124.162] has joined #lisp 20:21:36 -!- laynor [~user@109.78.124.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:11 laynor [~user@109.78.124.162] has joined #lisp 20:23:40 merl15_ [~merl@188-22-24-239.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 20:24:49 -!- merl15__ [~merl@188-22-20-91.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:26:11 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@2002:4855:eb9a:0:219:e3ff:fe02:96b8] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 20:28:53 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping 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If yes, does anyone know how they handle literal pathnames in code in a OS-independent way? 20:50:43 astalla: they are not and they don't. 20:51:05 They're not even guaranteed to be portable across recompilations! 20:51:19 ok. 20:51:41 then abcl might be the first lisp to have hit this problem :D 20:52:18 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 20:52:38 astalla: notice however that the programmer should use logical pathname if he expects its executables to run in different environments. 20:53:30 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 20:54:09 s/its/his/ 20:54:12 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:50 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55:55 djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:56:36 *_3b* thought clisp .fas files were portable 20:57:21 In some circumstances, that may happen. 20:57:44 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:57:52 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-138-154.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:17 Okay, power is back on, and I've come to some conclusions. 20:58:37 First being that TRACE :ENCAPSULATE NIL is broken on -all- non-x86oid targets. 20:58:39 we need some free energy autonomous generators. 20:58:42 pjb: thanks for the remark about logical pathnames. Indeed probably we're doing it wrong by storing a pathname in the first place. 20:59:49 -!- sellout [~greg@2002:4855:eb9a:0:21d:4fff:fefe:c504] has quit [Quit: sellout] 21:00:29 Hunh. There's something odd about stack-frame-offset in sub-access-debug-var-slot. 21:00:43 ans [~user@84.41.90.123] has joined #lisp 21:01:24 -!- moah [~gnu@dslb-084-063-216-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:06 -!- tyerr [~ask@unaffiliated/jwest/x-422957] has quit [] 21:05:31 Guthur [~michael@86.136.55.105] has joined #lisp 21:06:32 Ohh... 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22:12:31 chrisdone: didn't really have time to work on that 22:12:56 chrisdone: I'll get back to you when I get rudimentary work done 22:12:56 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:09 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 22:14:07 -!- abend [~alx@199.223.122.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:15:31 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:45 fiveop_ [~fiveop@g229110077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:16:48 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229241010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:17:18 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:17:30 p_l: you better! 22:17:57 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:58 WVDSCHEL: (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) in your emacs. 22:18:13 after (require 'slime) 22:18:17 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:18 sykopomp: thanks :) 22:18:40 WVDSCHEL: no problem. Join the chorus of people who'd like this to be the default ;) 22:18:48 maybe angry mob at this point. 22:19:06 WVDSCHEL: if you're on linux (or OS x) clbuild your best bet... the default setup it gives for slime is sufficient 22:19:08 pnq [asdf@ACA360C2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:19:35 drewc: did they remove the line that disable autodoc? 22:19:47 drewc: I did what sykopomp suggested and it worked :) 22:20:25 WVDSCHEL: for now... you'll be back in 10 minutes asking about some compilation errors in some library you tried to install some other way that's not clbuild :P 22:21:36 drewc: these libraries always get me stuck, true. But I think I have everything I need for a while right now :) 22:21:48 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:22:44 p_l: no idea.... i don't actually use the default setup myself, having a slime configuration that predates clbuild by almost 3 years, but i've 'clbuild slime'd in the past and it worked just fine :) 22:23:34 -!- vsync [~vsync@24.173.173.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:25:23 WVDSCHEL: http://unya.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/linux-common-lisp-quickstart/ is what I wrote regarding setting up a basic environment on Linux (with clbuild and most libraries working easily - the exceptions tend to be stuff that recently got through big changes). On OSX, replace SBCL with ClozureCL (and change the setting in clbuild.conf) 22:25:39 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 22:26:01 p_l: bookmarking 22:26:47 vsync [~vsync@24.173.173.82] has joined #lisp 22:27:30 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has left #lisp 22:28:28 lisp libs have come a long way since i last used it a few years ago 22:28:32 go lisp! 22:28:39 woo 22:28:52 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:10 that edi weitz and his clones, working night and day 22:29:47 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:31 Aszarsha [~Aszarsha@88-121-115-75.rev.libertysurf.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:10 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:15 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:35:39 -!- Aszarsha [~Aszarsha@88-121-115-75.rev.libertysurf.net] has left #lisp 22:36:01 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:39:25 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 22:40:34 -!- merl15_ [~merl@188-22-24-239.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:22 -!- ans [~user@84.41.90.123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:15 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 22:42:39 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:44:11 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:13 -!- pem [~pem@2001:cc0:201e:107:221:86ff:fe1a:e5aa] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:46:05 pem_ [~pem@2001:cc0:201e:107:221:86ff:fe1a:e5aa] has joined #lisp 22:46:15 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-177-27-153.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [K-Lined] 22:50:59 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:39 abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:41 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:13 Murdox [~uhhh@host86-178-179-249.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:01:02 full of win 23:01:14 -!- felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:02:24 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-178-179-249.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has quit [K-Lined] 23:02:34 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:50 *Xach* needs some kind of lispy hyphenation tables for Italian 23:05:21 Murdox [~uhhh@host86-182-102-226.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:37 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 23:06:51 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-245-126.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06:57 Xach: you're in italy? 23:07:32 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-182-102-226.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [K-Lined] 23:08:15 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:01 Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-20-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:09:51 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:11:16 Murdox [~uhhh@host86-179-108-105.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:12:12 -!- Murdox [~uhhh@host86-179-108-105.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [K-Lined] 23:13:10 ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:25 -!- fiveop_ [~fiveop@g229110077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 23:17:20 chrisdone: nope. a potential customer needs some text graphics generated, and it might need some hyphenation. 23:18:26 oh ok 23:20:57 -!- chrisdone [~user@unaffiliated/chrisdone] has quit [Quit: mumble grumble] 23:21:57 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:28:20 uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:10 -!- pnq [asdf@ACA360C2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:12 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:33 plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 23:37:44 Good morning! 23:38:04 heya, beach 23:38:06 Hello plage. 23:39:08 good morning beach 23:40:13 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:40:15 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:41 xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.60.226] has joined #lisp 23:42:16 hello everyone 23:42:18 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178.223.145.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:43:13 Hello xiackok. I don't recognize your nick. You must be new here. 23:43:29 Okay, I don't think I'm going to get much further with this breakpoint thing today, seeing as it's more fundamentally broken than just the platform support. 23:43:48 yes im newbie 23:43:57 im learning lisp programming 23:44:32 plage: do you have any libraries you would recommend as substrate for non-hacker projects, i.e. someone can use them on their project without actively hacking on them? 23:44:51 CLX, provided you don't need GLX? 23:45:17 Sorry, I mean beach specifically. I thought he had written a few. 23:45:19 Xach: Any libraries? Flexichain is pretty stable. 23:45:24 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:38 xiackok: Great, welcome to #lisp. 23:45:40 Ah. Fair enough. 23:47:09 plage: thank you. i loved lisp. its really nice. i have python and little bit c experience and i want be a lisper but lisp is really alien technology 23:47:11 its really different from other languages. 23:48:00 I'm not sure that lisp -is- really different from other languages, actually. 23:48:39 nyef: syntax, macros etc. 23:49:07 Not nearly as much as people seem to think. It just pushes the frontier a bit further than the others. 23:50:04 I got told by a prospective employer that 'LISP is interesting, but too obscure nowadays, to be your main language.' 23:50:21 Guthur: and that's why you don't work for such people ;) 23:50:26 I of course could have pointed out that I do not in fact use LISP 23:50:34 drewc: You beat me to it. :) 23:51:02 hehe, well yes, that's one option. 23:51:32 flipping burgers is another, which i'd personally rather do than write in blub all day every day :) 23:52:23 One should be multi-lingual in my opinion. 23:52:36 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:40 indeed... scheme _is_ worth learning 23:52:45 :P 23:53:43 hehe, python is about the only 'mainstream' language I am interested in. 23:53:53 i will try develop an slide cataloger but im not sure about data structures. can i use plain lists or i must use clos?? 23:54:51 python suffers from being terribly un-interesting 23:54:57 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.19] has joined #lisp 23:56:03 xiackok: use whatever data structure fits the problem, but please note that CLOS is integrated into Common Lisp, so you'll always be 'using clos' regardless. (class-of (list 1 2 3)) => # 23:56:06 xiackok: Use a list for a collection of things, but use "clos" for the things themselves. 23:56:31 [hence the "" around "clos"] 23:57:14 the only 'mainstream' language that interests me at all is C# and the ecosystem that surrounds it. Shame it's microsoft technology, because it really doesn't suck all that much. 23:57:44 drewc: Is JavaScript uninteresting, then? 23:57:50 It's openness is now backed by Microsoft's community promise 23:58:07 C# and CLI ^ 23:58:07 plage: sorry but i cant understand your response because i don't know english very well. can you tell "use clos for the things themeselves" 23:58:12 nyef: terribly so, yeah 23:58:24 Javascript is just misunderstood 23:58:30 Javascript is actually quite an interesting language 23:58:44 (incf foom) 23:59:00 if it wasn't tainted by being for web page designer weenies, it'd get a lot more respect. 23:59:02 xiackok: If you have (say) a bunch of people, use defclass to represent a person, and a list for the bunch. 23:59:36 plage: ok i understand now thank you 23:59:43 i've been using the thing since the day it was released and know it inside and out... there is very little i find interesting in there besides the prototype based object system... which has proven itself to be a bit of a mess.