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However -based on some examples- it seems easier for complex things, more lispy and extensible... I somewhat find it sad that loop is in the spec, and iterate isn't. 00:27:05 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.72.126] has joined #lisp 00:27:30 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-108-52.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:28:35 -!- Soulman [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:34 Maybe iterate was written much later than the spec? 00:29:40 rtoym: row-major-aref seems like it might but its not really the way i would choose to do it 00:30:04 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 00:30:08 -!- antoni [~user@13.pool85-53-2.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:26 rtoym: regardless, I find it sad :P 00:30:44 Zan-Xhipe: you never really said how you were accessing a 2D array, so you can't expect good answers. :-) 00:30:54 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:26 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 00:31:32 madnificent: Use series then. It was in CLtL2, but not in the final spec. :-) 00:31:59 rtoym: what makes series better than iterate? 00:32:18 -!- ELIZABOT is now known as PiRSquared17 00:33:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:33:39 -!- PiRSquared17 is now known as ELIZA 00:33:44 -!- ELIZA is now known as ELIZABOT 00:34:21 there seem to be many things that were only developed after the spec 00:37:31 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:37:42 -!- debiandebian [~chatzilla@ntszok016207.szok.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:50 pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 00:38:22 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:38:28 debiandebian [~chatzilla@ntszok016207.szok.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:38:28 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 00:41:09 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:03 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 00:43:22 -!- ELIZABOT is now known as PiRSquared17 00:43:37 Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 00:45:13 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 00:45:30 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:46:09 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:18 dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:47:48 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 00:47:51 pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:45 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:50:14 -!- PiRSquared17 is now known as PiRSquared17Bot 00:51:18 madnificent: Nothing really, I guess. But it looks more like Lisp functions, but is pretty efficient. 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CLOS, is there a way to define "__init__" method like in Python? 02:55:08 -!- gospch_ is now known as gospch 02:55:42 clhs initialize-instance 02:55:42 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_init_i.htm 02:55:46 clhs shared-initialize 02:55:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_shared.htm 02:56:56 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@209.30.32.248] has joined #lisp 02:57:21 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@209.30.32.248] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57:22 Thank you, stassats 03:00:16 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has joined #lisp 03:00:21 -!- billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has left #lisp 03:02:22 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:06:02 -!- Edward_ [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-17-19.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 03:07:03 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 03:07:32 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:52 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Otherwise fine. What about you? Gettring reddy to go to Paris? 07:18:36 spiaggia: I have prepared to go to Paris. So, I'm busy these days 07:18:52 spiaggia: but it's fine :) 07:19:00 hi spiaggia 07:19:05 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 07:21:47 -!- pnq [~gaiug@AC844E30.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21:59 Regenaxer: You seem to be a regular, though not very frequent visitor here, but you usually don't say very much! Are you working on any Lisp project? 07:22:19 hmm, I haven't been here quite a long time 07:22:31 yes, I'm working _only_ in Lisp 07:22:41 That's great! 07:23:10 and you? 07:23:56 fe[nl]ix: Did you make it to Kuala Lumpur? 07:24:10 Regenaxer: I use Lisp for my own projects and in my teaching. 07:24:10 Regenaxer: working freelance, or for a company? 07:24:37 I'm a freelancer, since 30 years, so I'm free in the choice of my tools :-) 07:24:55 spiaggia: yes. 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I didn't sign up for postabon on NIL 1st! 12:16:02 today is NIL 1st already? 12:16:35 time flies 12:21:29 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-61-170.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:22:23 -!- dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 12:22:53 p_l pasted "handy little .sbclrc snippet" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99335 12:22:55 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-50-179.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:23:07 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslfd250.osnanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24:20 maybe it's little, but it doesn't fit on my screen 12:25:21 stassats: what is your resolution? O_o 12:26:31 why don't you ask what's my font size? 12:27:11 stassats: screen size in em please? :) 12:27:31 stassats: 800x600 with font size 48? :D 12:27:56 I admit, I could add an extra newline before #'>= 12:29:36 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:29:48 udzinari: 1024x768 with font size 14 12:30:10 -!- dys`` is now known as dys 12:30:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 12:32:02 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 12:32:12 and regarding that snippet, i use a core with preloaded asdf and other junk 12:32:38 stassats: well, I'm following ASDF2 updates, so this one is very useful :) 12:32:48 cuts down in ,restart-inferior-lisp time 12:33:23 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:21 preloaded core with swank was blazingly fast for starting slime 12:34:42 but it's hard to hack on swank with it 12:36:04 I tend to update too often to switch to preloaded cores without writing support scripts for that, which I'm too lazy to do. 12:37:08 if you were really lazy you wouldn't update at all 12:38:18 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:1e4b:d6ff:fe5b:afd3] has joined #lisp 12:38:51 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 12:39:57 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:40:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:09 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:43:49 I update because usually it's just a matter of one command :P 12:44:15 and then everything breaks, i know that command! 12:46:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 12:49:25 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:06 *hefner* only updates anything out of desperation 12:52:13 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Is it really worth it, though? 15:12:45 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 15:12:54 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:13:11 Guthur [~michael@host86-136-51-210.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:14:48 -!- gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:06 pkhuong: sure. i'd feel like a jerk for requiring people to install cdb tools to use my thing. 15:15:32 plus it was about 100 lines of code 15:15:56 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.230.97] has quit [Quit: off] 15:16:02 well, maybe 200 or so. 15:16:12 right. Still, I figured it wasn't that hard to output a text file and let djb handle the writing and the atomic replacement. 15:16:21 Xach: for what do you plan to use cdb ? 15:16:40 pkhuong: that's what i did initially. 15:16:46 pkhuong: atomic replacement is a rename-file away... 15:17:23 fe[nl]ix: it's to look up word-id values for words in a search query. 15:17:32 -!- tmh [~user@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has left #lisp 15:18:38 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:19:15 dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:19:22 pkhuong: also, apart from hoping to make it easier on other people, it was fun to make. 15:19:52 fun to read the spec to make a reader, fun to read the spec and fail to make a writer, fun to read & comprehend the code and successfully make a writer 15:20:03 pkhuong: did you ever wrap up your SSE SIMD intrinsics in an API? 15:20:40 slava: sort of? It's not committed yet, but I finally figured out how I wanted to use the type system to track whether movaps or movdqa would be used. 15:21:19 pr_ [~pr@p4FE2DAD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:19 -!- pr_ [~pr@p4FE2DAD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:21:27 pkhuong: cool 15:22:11 pkhuong: how exactly does SBCL know which stack spill slots contain GC pointers when it walks the stack? 15:22:17 (unrelated to SSE) 15:22:29 slava: it doesn't, it assumes they all do 15:23:10 how does it know which stack slots are live and initialized? 15:23:32 it doesn't need to know 15:23:54 aack [~user@a83-163-241-74.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:23:55 it's a partially conservative gc 15:24:01 oh, I see 15:24:33 so any values on stack or in registers that look like pointers pin all the objects on the page pointed to 15:24:36 It *could* track the stack layout, but it's not that smart. :) 15:25:00 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.108.64] has joined #lisp 15:25:10 postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-254-138.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:26:10 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:55 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:34:38 milanj [~milanj_@79.101.169.236] has joined #lisp 15:37:26 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:43 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.108.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50:52 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-zrjzwwdpwsmtacxy] has joined #lisp 15:52:30 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 15:54:51 -!- dys [~andreas@krlh-5f720c0f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:56:44 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:22 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:58:48 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:49 abend [~alx@67.136.131.11] has joined #lisp 16:00:52 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:17 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-11-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:02:02 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hcwnluaycenuqtxe] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:57 if I define a function (defun foo (bar &key baz bang) ...) can I still get all the arguments given to foo in a list? Something like &whole does for macros 16:03:17 &rest args &key ... 16:03:23 but you'll get only key args 16:03:50 stassats: I'd like to use it in a macro which should define a function... I'd prefer to keep the syntax hints 16:04:23 i don't understand you 16:05:53 stassats: normally, I'd expand to something like (defun foo (&rest args) (flet ((some-sym (arguments the &key user gave) body the user gave)) (apply #'some-sym args))) 16:06:28 however, that would remove the code hints the user normally receives when typing (foo in slime 16:06:30 madnificent: destructuring-bind 16:07:01 -!- CrEddy_ is now known as CrEddy 16:07:03 madnificent: what i told you works here 16:07:07 pkhuong: how could I use destructuring-bind to get everything? 16:07:41 except for required arguments, you'll have to stuff them manually 16:08:02 stassats: no, I'll get the key vars, not the fixed ones. Also, the user himself may use &rest too, making it complicated for something fairly easy 16:08:20 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:23 stassats: wrt to your last comment: yes :) 16:09:06 -!- Lithos [~chatzilla@DSLPool-net209-213.wctc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:09:30 *madnificent* finds it surprising that there isn't just something to do that for me :) thanks 16:09:42 why not (defun foo (user parameters) (flet ((some-sym)) (some-sym))) ? 16:10:02 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-102.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:51 stassats: I want to have the list of parameters for my own use... but I could get them from (user parameters) if I have to process that anyways... but normally I'd wrap it up in order to be able to get the original parameters :) 16:11:19 anyway, the whole thing looks somewhat strange 16:11:20 s/parameters/arguments/ 16:12:21 stassats: it's for something like generic methods, you still have the code hinting, but you may use call-next-method (in example) 16:12:50 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79.101.169.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13:50 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:58 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.29.84] has joined #lisp 16:16:02 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-194-63.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 16:17:48 milanj [~milanj_@109.93.77.136] has joined #lisp 16:19:57 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 16:20:18 madnificent: there's alexandria:parse-ordinary-lambda-list 16:20:28 maden [~maden@dsl-157-216.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 16:21:45 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 16:21:46 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:49 alama [~user@193.136.122.17] has joined #lisp 16:23:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has left #lisp 16:24:21 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 16:25:55 is there any benchmarking framework? so that i can easily compare two functions 16:27:35 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:46 pkhuong: can you tell what the calls to inherit-constraints in add-eql-var-var-constraint are for? I can't see how they add useful information 16:28:20 with averaging, graphs, and all that staff 16:29:36 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:29:55 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 16:31:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:32:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@203.82.80.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:31 prip: they're EQ, so they have the same properties (e.g. type) 16:32:37 *EQL 16:32:37 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:33:58 e.g. [x is known to be <= 3] ... [x is eql y --> y is known to be <= 3] 16:34:11 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:23 yes, and they should already be in "target". or am I wrong 16:34:26 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:34:27 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-194-63.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:52 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:37:16 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 16:37:54 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:39:08 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-128.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:22 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:55 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@219.241.85.107] has joined #lisp 16:44:48 Can I remove an instance in CLOS? 16:45:16 from where? 16:45:43 stuhacking [~stuhackin@86.131.129.165] has joined #lisp 16:47:46 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50:47 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-19-75.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 16:53:28 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 16:53:29 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:55:28 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:57:01 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:57:14 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:41 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 17:00:06 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@86.131.129.165] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 17:00:08 -!- postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-254-138.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 17:00:42 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:53 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:26 prip: you're wrong. 17:04:01 Lithos [~chatzilla@DSLPool-net209-213.wctc.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:02 prip: (if (< x 3) (if (eql x y) ...)); there's nothing about y in [...] before the call to inherit-constraints. 17:04:15 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-171-185.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:21 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-171-185.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:49 gah... anyone managed to get Linj to run? 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I'm currently using code from http://nklein.com/2009/12/rendering-text-with-cl-opengl-and-zpb-ttf/ but there's lots of weird artifacting going on 18:07:13 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:16 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 18:08:08 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:13 ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 18:08:15 -!- Aperculum [~laurihak@unaffiliated/aperculum] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:09:23 pkhuong: sure, that's why I can't see why we need to run that search everytime, if we already know all we need about x, and know that y is equivalent. and that message in sbcl-devel managed to introduce some extra confusion about it being related to that obscure FIXME 18:09:55 you should need to redo SBCL to use SSA form :) 18:10:06 pkhuong: btw I was looking into it because of the extreme slowness in the test case that I posted on launchpad last week 18:12:47 slava: SSI. 18:13:02 -!- iPac [~bubble@p54AA3F5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:23 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-zrjzwwdpwsmtacxy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:31 prip: we work on variables, not values (that's where SSA comes into play). But we're also context-sensitive (that's SSI). 18:13:32 it compiles very well without all the mad searching. but of course it's not representative of real code, although hairy loops seem to introduce a good number of eql-var-vars 18:13:57 prip: widening types at cprop-time is another option. 18:14:14 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has left #lisp 18:15:32 Aperculum [~laurihak@unaffiliated/aperculum] has joined #lisp 18:16:36 pkhuong: context-sensitive analyses can be implemented on top of SSA 18:16:50 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-128.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:43 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:23 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 18:19:42 -!- mark75 [~mark@host86-183-38-231.range86-183.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:02 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.29.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:09 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:21:19 I was also wondering if it's wrong to simply give up when the set of values grows bigger than N in make-canonical-union-type, and type-union with a general numeric type. (for lp 309448) 18:21:26 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:04 prip: there's my cprop patch that widens type union/intersections to speed up and simplify the cprop phase. 18:22:33 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-21-159.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:49 you can see where widening unions to T would work; the important part is to only do it when applying type constraints. 18:24:05 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 18:24:40 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:24:58 daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082BCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:32 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-118-253.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:26:11 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5082F3C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:28:57 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 18:29:00 gravicappa 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19:47:55 an* 19:48:13 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:28 yeah, i was wondering about the "quite" in the outdated, because people complain that common lisp hasn't changed much, so i figure it wouldn't be that much outdated. thanks for your comments. :) 19:48:43 *p_l* noticed today that GCL claims compliance to CLtL1 on its website. The horror. 19:48:43 just read grahams ansi common lisp, was just the lisp book I was looking 19:48:50 segmond: some of the functions and syntax might differ, but as long as you take the hyperspec as authoritative, CLtL2 should be full of insight for you :) 19:48:59 zmyrgel, if only you will send me a copy. :-) 19:49:10 ANSI Common Lisp is not a good book for learning ANSI Common Lisp. 19:49:10 segmond: I personally recommend a) keeping hyperspec close b) going with PCL and Gentle Introduction 19:49:11 drewc, yeah, i use the hyperspec 19:49:26 segmond: sorry, I want to keep that close :) 19:49:35 i think i'm past the beginner stage, i have "finished" two books on lisp, "common lisp - an interactive approach" and "successful lisp" 19:49:39 zmyrgel: my least favorite lisp book actually, and one i'd never recommend. 19:49:50 minion: tell segmond about pcl 19:49:51 segmond: look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 19:49:53 drewc: why so? 19:49:59 my goal is to read every freaking book published on common lisp 19:50:10 zmyrgel: because the author doesn't like, nor understand, common lisp. 19:50:25 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:47 drewc: and I tought paul has a good grasp of cl 19:50:49 drewc, i know about PCL, it's on my next to read list, with On Lisp and PAIP 19:51:00 zmyrgel: you thought wrong :P 19:51:01 -!- egoz [~Egoz@114.79.55.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:07 segmond: PAIP is top notch. 19:51:10 drewc, from what I have read, i think plenty will disagree with you. :-) 19:51:16 drewc: wouldn't be the first, nor the last time :) 19:51:30 in reference to graham not liking or having a good grasp of lisp. 19:51:34 segmond: I'd put Gentle Introduction after PCL then PAIP, I guess. After that, maybe On Lisp, or maybe something on CLOS and MOP 19:51:43 segmond: you haven't read enough yet ;) 19:51:45 segmond: drewc wrote "cl", not "Lisp" 19:51:54 drewc, you could be right too. :-) 19:52:07 well, what books you recommend on common lisp? 19:52:14 I didn't like pcl that much 19:52:27 Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-76-80.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:52:33 zmyrgel: Paradigms of AI Programming is good. So is Keene's CLOS book. 19:52:35 p_l, hmm, I'm also going through Winston and Horn, maybe I should throw in Gentle there too, but I kind of want to start writing some useful code too. All this reading is fun for a minute. :) 19:52:41 zmyrgel: PAIP, Gentle, CLtL2, Keene, AMOP 19:52:48 the CLOS and everything OOP/MOP is going to be the last thing I will touch 19:52:50 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 19:52:57 winston & horn 3rd edition seemed ok to me, but by the time i read it, i felt like i wasn't getting a lot of new info from it. 19:53:05 segmond: that's a mistake IMO. 19:53:12 i've heard 2nd and 1st editions are not worth bothering with for CL. 19:53:35 xach, well, as you learn it feels like that, but sometimes, if i read a book, and 10 pages are useful, that's something. :) any new insight is always great. 19:53:40 drewc, why do you say that? 19:53:52 CLOS is something one should learn almost immediately if one wants to learn Common Lisp. It plays a large role in most any software i've written or seen. 19:53:53 i'm not a big fan of OOP 19:54:02 segmond: that's because you've never met CLOS 19:54:19 *drewc* didn't know what OOP was until he met CLOS 19:54:48 well, I have seen some parts of it to know that it's powerful. but common lisp is so varied that one can solve tons of problem without CLOS. :) i mean, we can even make do with structures and defmethods. :) 19:54:56 structures? 19:55:01 that's CLOS ;) 19:55:04 defmethod? 19:55:08 that's CLOS 19:55:24 segmond: i honestly thought you would end that with "closures and hash tables". good recovery! 19:55:32 *Xach* shudders 19:55:44 xach, lol! 19:55:48 There's a misapprehension that CLOS was bolted onto Common Lisp as an afterthought, but really it underlies the whole system. 19:55:53 closures and hash tables? that's not CLOS. 19:55:54 (note that everything in CL is an object, has a class, and interacts with CLOS) 19:55:57 xach, i could have stopped at arrays. :) 19:56:08 drewc, when i'm talking about clos, i meant classes 19:56:09 structures + defmethod is underrated 19:56:13 sorry for not beign so clear on that. 19:56:34 hefner, my structure + defmethod talk is that damn near covers OOP as most other langauges present. LOL 19:56:42 segmond: a struct is an object with a class of STRUCTURE-CLASS and really could just by a macro over defclass 19:56:54 just be* 19:57:04 but my reason for waiting last to learn CLOS is that it seems pretty extensive and i want to really learn it right, and not half ass. 19:57:18 segmond: i found Keene's book helpful for that, and PCL. 19:57:18 -!- xan_ [~xan@83.34.169.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:20 by avoiding CLOS you're not learning CL right, only half-ass :) 19:57:31 xan_ [~xan@83.34.169.207] has joined #lisp 19:57:35 it seems easy to pick up the basis in common lisp and just settle with it and never grasp the details 19:57:42 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:49 so one thing at a time. :) 19:57:55 i don't reach for defclass as often as i used to, but i'd find it quite hard to live without it. 19:58:04 drewc, i don't know how to use slime either. 19:58:17 segmond: structures are afaik classes with specific metaclass 19:58:35 segmond: i'd take defclass over slime anyday :D 19:58:41 in due time, i'm a complete newbie, and have finished 2 books in the last 2 months, see me a year from now. :) 19:58:47 segmond: also, CLOS is fundamentally different from the popular OO systems, to the point that I couldn't wrap my mind around it till I used Haskell :) 19:59:14 p_l, i don't think i will be learning haskell anytime soon to figure out common lisp's OO system. LOL 19:59:21 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:59:34 there is just so much "lisp" to learn. i got a headache learning about how to handle errors last night, freaking amazing at the options 19:59:39 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-194-212-145.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:11 I just started to tackle lisp and I tried to convert a c++ project to it 20:00:30 got stuck with circular references in classes :( 20:00:46 segmond: what I mean is that it took the usage of the term "typeclass" in Haskell to get rid of the "object has methods" paradigm (which is a bastardised "objects respond to messages" model) 20:01:10 error, unwind-protect, define-condition, catch, throw, that could have a book dedicated to it, just like format deserves it's own damn book. lol 20:01:38 segmond: PCL has chapters on both the condition system and FORMAT 20:01:52 p_l, yeah, it was a bid weird to see that "object doesn't have methods" but i got that pretty quick, the challenge will be implementing things in a clean fashion with it. :-) 20:02:28 drewc, sure, and as you see, this is why i'm picking my battle one at a time, i rather learning about how to handle errors and format first before i tackle CLOS :) 20:02:28 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:41 stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:06 once I get elephant installed I could try to convert one of my java webapps to lisp 20:03:14 segmond: well, errors are signalled using conditions, and conditions are identical to classes :) 20:03:20 hey, they say most people use 10% of their brain, hell, from what i see, it's easy to use 10% of common lisp and not know you are missing a whole lot. :) 20:03:44 zmyrgel, what is elephant? 20:04:01 zmyrgel: i prefer rucksack personally 20:04:09 minion: tell zmyrgel about rucksack 20:04:10 zmyrgel: direct your attention towards rucksack: Rucksack is a persistence library for Common Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/rucksack 20:04:38 hey, i have heard of rucksack. :-) 20:04:39 the lack of documentation probably makes it newbie-unfriendly... i used M-. myself 20:04:53 rucksack is very cool. 20:05:17 don't know how to use it yet, because i haven't gotten as far as is that ASDF or ADSF? lol 20:05:20 ok, gotta check rucksack 20:05:36 drewc: identical except different ;) 20:05:52 *drewc* is adding parallel transactions to it real soon now, which is the main complaint i have with the current implementation 20:05:53 segmond: my asdf knowledge is still quite limited too. 20:05:56 i was having problems saving struts and reading em in sbcl, i'm guessing it's kinda like python's pickle? 20:06:07 pkhuong: yeah, i regretted that as soon as i typed it.. waiting for a pedant :) 20:06:34 segmond: are you on linux? 20:06:44 yeah, why? 20:06:51 minion: tell segmond about clbuild 20:06:52 segmond: please look at clbuild: clbuild is a shell script helping with the download, compilation, and invocation of Common Lisp applications. http://www.cliki.net/clbuild 20:07:09 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:07:57 drewc, at this rate, i may have to wait until next year for CLOS. :D so many things to learn, but it's exciting tho. been a long time since i enjoyed sitting in front of a computer. 20:08:52 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 20:08:53 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 20:09:22 segmond: it's a long journey, but remember that you cannot learn CL without CLOS, they are one and the same... if you take anything i have said seriously, it should be that point :) 20:09:43 drewc, point noted, I do plan to learn it in due time. :-) 20:10:06 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:11:23 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 20:11:39 where can i find good lisp codes to read in good lisp style? know of any project? :-) i looked through sbcl source and it's kinda scary. 20:12:17 drewc: so... I've never written a web app in my life. I'm hard-pressed for time to get a relatively simple site up and running, with membership, a few pages, and some heavy calculations in the backend. 20:12:37 drewc: think I'll go nuts trying to crawl through UCW to learn how to do all this? :) 20:13:33 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:14:12 segmond: i like cl-ppcre from http://weitz.de/ 20:14:37 ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 20:14:47 Xach, is that your project? ;) 20:15:06 although with how many false starts I've had, I'm sure I'm sounding like a broken record. 20:15:10 I swear, I'm not gavino :( 20:15:17 wow, i have been to that site too. :) i think someone credited weitz with releasing very good libraries. :) 20:15:18 segmond: nope, it's Edi Weitz's 20:15:22 i should bookmark it. 20:15:29 segmond: No 20:15:32 yeah, i seen a link to it via cll a while ago. 20:15:38 segmond: ediware is quality stuff! 20:15:44 segmond: Weitz is rather universally acclaimed as maker of some of the finest libs out there :) 20:16:13 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17:17 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 20:17:26 great, well, in that case, that's going to be what i'm going to look at, 5 line samples from books just don't cut it. :) 20:17:48 Kustnamenkloate [titan@unaffiliated/appetite] has joined #lisp 20:18:34 the examples in Practical Common Lisp are a bit more elaborate than 5 lines 20:18:46 same with PAIP 20:20:04 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:06 Sergio`_ [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 20:21:56 ost` [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 20:22:42 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:11 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-15-219.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 20:23:32 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@222-154-179-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:26:58 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-15-219.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 20:27:28 poet [~poet@unaffiliated/poet] has joined #lisp 20:27:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:28:56 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-140-101.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:57 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-140-101.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:28:57 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:33:32 -!- inforichland [~user@66.170.6.75] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:34:26 sykopomp: UCW might be overkill, you should probably start with hunchentoot + yaclml and go from there. 20:34:53 *drewc* keep meaning to release FTW!, but hasn't found the chance to document the main features, which makes it pretty useless 20:36:08 I think some time ago, someone created a visualization tool for IR2 (?) for sbcl. Does that ring a bell? 20:37:06 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 20:37:36 is there a particularly good guide on getting hunchentoot to play nicely with apache? 20:38:08 sykopomp: google 'mod_proxy', pretty simple stuff really 20:38:14 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 20:38:31 drewc: thanks :D 20:38:31 -!- ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:41 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41:19 fiveop [~fiveop@64.235.198.242] has joined #lisp 20:41:38 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41:57 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 20:42:10 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 20:44:56 FTW is ready for release? 20:45:38 -!- poet [~poet@unaffiliated/poet] has quit [Quit: poet] 20:46:37 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:17 *p_l* plans to write down a set of few simple utilities for hunchentoot to make it easier to start - defroute, def-data-source, defwebservice :) 20:48:01 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 20:48:21 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:47 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:27 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has left #lisp 20:50:50 the first simply being a simple DSL to map from query-strings to arguments, the second one to implement datastores for JS, the last as a shortcut on for rpc 20:51:19 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:02 -!- ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:26 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:54:10 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:54:30 cools [~user@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:51 TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.74.46.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:58:02 -!- Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-76-80.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:59:47 -!- davertron [~Dave@vt-sb-1.logicsupply.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:02:30 Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-61-198.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:05:45 Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:46 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-118-253.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:06:52 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7567e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:38 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 21:10:26 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA9330.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12:04 -!- Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-61-198.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 21:13:26 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:26:06 -!- levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:29:37 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:02 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:09 -!- mindCrime is now known as mindCrime_ 21:31:37 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 21:32:39 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:23 -!- abend [~alx@67.136.131.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:34:44 Lithos [~chatzilla@DSLPool-net209-213.wctc.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:37 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:40:01 p_l: do it! 21:41:30 sykopomp: the defroute stuff is quite simple, I just miss Rails/Merb Router mechanism with its /:param1/:param2/ matching 21:41:31 The easy handler will map from query strings to arguments 21:42:14 Not as funky as RoR 21:42:15 Guthur: I'm interested in mapping from URIs to arguments, not from arguments embedded in URI to arguments :) 21:42:40 sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-103-117.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:42:44 Well you did say query-strings 21:42:57 heh 21:42:58 thats URI arguments 21:43:23 hehe. I'd be interested in seeing what you come up with though 21:44:16 I was looking into it a little myself, but got waylaid 21:44:17 -!- astalla [~astalla@93-36-225-86.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 21:44:50 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-171-185.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:47:22 p_l: I've no idea how rails works, or what you're talking about :( 21:48:01 -!- ost` [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:50:19 sykopomp: basically it's a DSL that encompasses the already existing hunchentoot helpers plus allows to easily define capturing of URI fragments into variables 21:50:23 http://www.railsdispatch.com/posts/rails-routing <--- some examples 21:51:06 (though it changed a lot lately) 21:52:12 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@12.14.38.6] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 21:53:14 gives a nice way to build "nice urls" 21:53:55 ah 21:54:44 -!- joga [joga@rikki.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:00 -!- LinkFly [~linkfly@94.158.187.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:16 I'm still unsure as to how to go with building the browser part of the app those projects are getting created 21:55:48 jQuery? ExtJS? 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23:53:04 ill search on it 23:53:16 mae_tae, are you just learning? if so you can checkout lispbox, clisp, the trial version of allegro, corman lisp 23:53:29 mae_tae: I haven't used either. The people I know who make Lisp programs for sale for Windows use LispWorks. 23:53:44 still to learn, i dont have idea about lisp 23:53:55 -!- cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [] 23:53:55 can this be integrated to web? 23:54:02 LispWorks 23:54:07 mae_tae: yes. 23:54:13 get lispbox 23:54:46 Xach: I can see jquery mixed with cappuccino or extjs, but not extjs+cappuccino 23:54:54 gonzojive [~red@171.66.56.165] has joined #lisp 23:55:01 ok, ill try lispworks as well as lispbox i think 23:55:52 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 23:57:17 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp