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Right now, it looks for a hard coded fully qualified path for a CFFI shared library (made with cffi-grovel) a CL library I'm using uses. I'd like to ship the executable to another machine which doesn't have that library. I'm happy to move the library along with it, but what's the equivale 00:15:46 psilord1: The first question is, "have you checked the manual"? 00:16:18 nyef, I've read some of it, but I don't understand all the consequences of it yet. :) 00:16:25 ISTR there being some special variable with the names of the various loaded shared objects in it, as well. 00:16:26 I looked into the sbcl manual, and the cffi manual. 00:16:28 -!- Soulman [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 00:17:02 -!- merl15 [~merl@188-22-164-130.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:17:44 I tried something like: (push (truename #P".") cffi:*foreign-library-directories*) both before the save-lisp-and-die, and after the restart in the new toplevel. I also tried to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH as well. No matter what I try, sbcl stops with an error looking for the fully qualified pathname to the library. 00:18:59 nyef, and the thing you're looking for is probably: (cffi:list-foreign-libraries :type :grovel-wrapper) 00:19:16 Actually, what I'm looking for is SB-SYS:*SHARED-OBJECTS*. 00:20:23 Ok, I'm looking at it, and it is filled with hard coded badness. 00:20:24 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:56 Joreji [~thomas@86-084.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 00:23:08 So, do you know how to strip off the extra path information from there? 00:23:27 I know how to strip it out, but I might not know the right way to strip it out. :) 00:23:52 for example: 00:23:52 (with-slots (pathname namestring) (car sb-sys:*shared-objects*) (setf pathname #P"./libiolib-syscalls.so") (setf namestring #P"./libiolib-syscalls.so")) 00:24:14 Something like that, yes. 00:24:18 It, um, did what I expected, and now I'm waiting for the lightning bolt. :) 00:24:28 If it works, then great. If not, try something else. :-P 00:24:34 fair enough. 00:25:24 nyef, lemme see if it works. 00:26:39 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27:15 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 00:29:25 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:31:01 nyef: it worked! 00:31:28 The solution seems a bit backdoor to me, but now that I know the general problem I can recast what the manuals tell me into a better light. 00:31:40 Nyef: Thank you! 00:31:59 No problem. 00:32:21 And, yes, it does seem a bit hacky to me as well. 00:32:42 Another approach might be to unload the libraries before saving the core and reloading them in your startup function. 00:32:46 But I only just thought of that. 00:33:48 I could do that, but I need to read more documentation to figure out how to do that. 00:34:31 a 00:35:22 Fair enough. 00:35:27 Good luck with your project. 00:36:16 nyef, thanks! The hacky solution is good enough for me at this point. :) 00:36:52 pnq [~gaiug@AC83C149.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 00:37:32 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-102-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:52 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 00:41:05 -!- nus [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:41:29 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has left #lisp 00:43:29 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096725400.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:44:38 hello all. What would be the most concise way to walk a list two elements at a time, but with one element increments (i.e. 1st and 2nd, 2nd and 3rd etc...) 00:44:39 ? 00:45:39 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA92BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 00:47:49 (I know I can use cadr and just walk the list. I'm just wondering if this paradigm is expressed as anything else) 00:48:08 Shaftoe, that's a grouping idiom findable in "On Lisp". 00:48:21 oops, afk, sorry! 00:48:29 "grouping idiom" thanks. 00:48:31 aw [~aw@p5DDA92BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:48:55 psilord1, hi 00:49:21 your examples seem to be using things like cl-serializer that have been superseded by hu.dwim.serializer and such 00:49:50 Shaftoe: You can probably do it with LOOP destructuring as well. 00:50:05 psilord1, one of my many projects would be for XCVB to produce executables with all the extensions linked in. 00:50:14 nyef: you're here! 00:50:21 Fare, when I wrote it, it wasn't superseded. :) That seems to only have happened very recently. I'll be glad to fix it, but the web page for the serializer seems to very much hate my firefox. 00:50:27 nyef, you have a sample? 00:50:29 nyef: can you tell me what genesis needs in term of fixed address? 00:50:58 I want to experiment with re-linking an image with more .o at the end, and hoping the result is compatible... 00:51:01 Fare, I suppose I don't yet understand what happened with cl-serializer and what I should do about it. :) 00:51:10 Ok, now I'm afk for a bit. 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Also, I checked, and it seems I forgot to remove cl-serializer as a dependency in the iolib tutorial codes. 01:53:25 I used it in a very early version of the codes, but now it can be totally removed from the iolib examples. 01:53:28 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0063-25-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 01:53:32 anyone [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 01:55:29 -!- Guthur [~michael@host213-122-220-102.range213-122.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:27 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:01 I'm calling read and it's returning -1 which is interpreted as an unsigned value, though read uses ssize-t 02:00:08 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:28 how do I query cffi for the signedness of a type? 02:00:46 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:47 -!- smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:06:12 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.195.118] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 02:07:46 wakeup^ [~wakeup@koln-5d81a960.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:54 I think I broke CFFI :( 02:08:06 (while trying to fix it) 02:09:12 enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-168-152-229.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:10:31 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@koln-5d81a9cc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:48 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 02:11:33 yup, I did it, sigh. Programming is hard. 02:11:34 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@64.134.184.174] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:11:55 C macros with similar name and completely different intent are evil. 02:12:25 *Fare* renames SIGNEDP in cffi/grovel/common.h to TYPE_SIGNED_P, and renames its argument to type 02:12:45 *Fare* renames the argument of SIGNED64P just below to value. 02:14:48 -!- mairoxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 02:16:34 Programming is hard. Let's go shopping! 02:17:29 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0063-25-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:51 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0063-25-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 02:21:16 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-163-168.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 02:23:22 *Fare* renames the macro SIGNED64P to _64_VALUE_SIGNED_P while we're at it. 02:29:00 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 02:31:03 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 02:37:37 Fare: Are you still planning on an official asdf2 release at the end of May? 02:38:57 probably yes 02:39:08 we're closing in on usability bugs. 02:40:40 Will you make an announcement? 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Latest borkage involves ldb at seemingly non-deterministic places in the middle of the compiler while trying to evaluate my test of using signalfd in an event loop... 02:52:06 -!- dys [~andreas@krlh-5f736c6a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:52:14 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 02:52:28 is there an easy way to tell where it's borking? or to recover from ldb? 02:54:08 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:56:10 On cmucl, you can say "backtrace" in ldb to get a backtrace. 02:56:25 "help" gives some help 02:56:55 "exit" returns to Lisp; "quit" exits ldb and the Lisp process. 02:57:07 Don't know if sbcl still has that. 02:57:21 it does 02:59:11 amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 02:59:25 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:00:58 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:01:44 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 03:01:50 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:05:31 cleaned up my code, the bug disappeared. I'll never know what it was :) 03:05:46 wait, it reappeared :( 03:06:11 gah! 03:07:28 backtrace full of compiler internals, compiling from within SB-PCL::INITIAL-DFUN right after the frame entering my function TEST 03:08:22 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 03:10:25 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:11:13 before it gets in the debugger, though, it tells me Signal 17 masked - that's SIGCHLD. 03:11:34 do I need to do something special when installing a signal handler in SBCL? 03:11:41 (a C signal handler) 03:17:46 *Fare* declaims optimization for speed to force the damn thing being compiled earlier. 03:18:31 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 03:19:06 mindCrime__ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:24:01 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 03:24:26 -!- konr [~user@201.82.133.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:28:12 *rtoym* didn't know that jwz wrote Hemlock's word abbreviation mode 03:29:35 the kind of failure I have looks like I'm doing something that irks the GC 03:29:49 or otherwise corrupts memory :( 03:30:11 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:30:13 and what you're doing? 03:30:25 Bad luck! 03:30:50 i love the smell of corrupted memory in the morning 03:32:21 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:33:10 -!- jpl3 [~user@zinfandel.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:19 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:35:03 hum. How do I debug memory corruption? 03:35:14 -!- mindCrime__ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 03:35:24 Very carefully. :-( 03:35:27 stassats, I'm just using a slightly modified CFFI and IOlib to play with signalfd in an event loop 03:35:36 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:36:27 I'd look to see that all FFI functions receive exactly what they want and return exactly what I expect. 03:36:41 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:37 mindCrime__ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:38:30 *Fare* starts by looking at whether the same instability happens when running iolib examples on the modified cffi/iolib. 03:39:41 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:40:44 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:40:47 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:41:50 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:42:10 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 03:43:17 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:43:22 -!- mindCrime__ is now known as mindCrime 03:43:43 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:44:24 mindCrime__ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:49:48 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@2002:62da:45b3:1234:21d:e0ff:fe00:f7ab] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:49:58 -!- webdever [~david@64.203.60.56] has quit [] 03:50:04 abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:55 spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:59 #j /perl 03:51:03 uh 03:51:16 don't mind me, I'm sick 03:52:54 I bet you meant /j #repl 03:57:26 -!- MLoff [~tehbaddox@173-22-186-194.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57:57 yes. yes, that's it 04:00:18 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:00:38 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:38 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@64.235.198.242] has quit [Quit: humhum] 04:01:41 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 04:02:09 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:07:48 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #lisp 04:13:46 the iolib examples look like they work, so... a bug in *my* code???? 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04:43:43 -!- mindCrime___ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82.1-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.0.9/2006120508]] 04:43:53 i am just trying to hack a quick 20 minute cgi-based mailer 04:48:23 and i don't want to fork a mail(1) process 04:53:00 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:44 the unstability seems to be only for SBCL 04:55:49 CCL and clisp are stable so far 04:58:52 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-168-152-229.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 04:59:56 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:00:15 Kizaru [~plaz@pool-173-76-170-157.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:03:47 yeah 05:03:57 if clisp is stable that's even better 05:04:00 gonna try that now 05:04:04 -!- Kizaru [~plaz@pool-173-76-170-157.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:53 iPac2 [~bubble@p54AA5D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 05:07:19 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:32 -!- iPac2 [~bubble@p54AA5D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:09:22 what is so hard about gethostbyname? ccl win32 doesn't have it, and clisp on linux doesn't 05:09:32 win32 sbcl is messing RAND_Seed 05:13:23 -!- coyO [~unf@99-6-151-42.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ACTION closes window in a panic] 05:15:14 fihi09``` [~user@pool-96-224-168-75.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:15:30 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:17:08 coyo [~unf@99-6-151-42.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:17:47 fusss: reentrance problems? bad ipv6 support? 05:17:55 i just solved an issue with clisp not finding gethostname 05:18:49 i'll send a patch to usocket-devel 05:21:13 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.188.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:00 why is SBCL and only SBCL unstable??? 05:23:20 Fare: with great power comes great responsibility 05:23:23 what kind of FFI thingie am I using that can destabilize SBCL but no other Lisp??? 05:25:02 and why would it die in the middle of compiling? 05:28:35 Fare: Space bats. 05:28:37 Cosmic rays. 05:28:42 Libertarians. 05:29:04 In order of plausibility, more or less. 05:29:24 (I'm pretty confident it's space bats.) 05:29:31 I'm pretty sure this one libertarian is involved. 05:29:51 -!- dys` is now known as dys 05:32:19  05:36:34 fusss: try doing (ccl:open-shared-library "ws2_32.dll") or something like this before loading usocket 05:36:45 stassats: got it! 05:36:58 it's building fine on clozure linux 05:37:09 but having trouble sending emails, says it wants STARTTLS first 05:37:14 probably a gmail issue 05:39:24 tcr [~tcr@118.101.175.133] has joined #lisp 05:39:44 fusss: i'd be interested to know whether it compiles on windows after the above snippet 05:39:49 since i don't have windows 05:40:01 you want sbcl or clozure? 05:40:46 ccl, there is no ccl: package in sbcl 05:43:28 it's building just fine, without loading the winsock lib 05:43:43 let me see if i can send emails or connect to a pop3 box 05:44:54 when I evaluate (copy-message *message* *smtp*) I get an error 05:44:58 Unbound variable: MEL.ENVIRONMENT::RESULTBUF 05:45:12 Backtrace: 05:45:13 0: (MEL.ENVIRONMENT:GETHOSTNAME) 05:45:15 1: (MEL.MIME::GENERATE-MESSAGE-ID) 05:45:46 and the problem persists after i load ws3_32.dll 05:45:52 so it's a mel-base issue it seems 05:46:05 but do you recompile usocket after you load ws2_32? 05:46:56 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:47:18 yes 05:47:40 if you can figure out a way to give remote access to a win32 box, i can let you in to a dev box 05:47:51 for now i am trying cl-smtp 05:48:12 I resent the libertarian comment as well ;) 05:49:45 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:50:30 oh, i thought mel-base uses usocket 05:51:01 but the code is pretty similar, so what i said above should be still applicable 05:51:32 so is ccl the new hot implementation? 05:51:48 it's an old hot implementation 05:52:25 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:57:58 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-205-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:00:59 ryan__ [~ryan@174-21-147-70.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:58 is there a lisp equivalent to mktemp? 06:03:54 for generating temporary file names 06:05:42 -!- ryan__ [~ryan@174-21-147-70.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:05:55 create random named files until success? 06:07:45 ska` [~user@124.157.137.205] has joined #lisp 06:08:55 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:06 cffi to mktemp :-) 06:10:12 tmpfile(3) is even trivial-er, but GNU only 06:14:56 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:25:28 stassats: that's not very safe 06:25:33 fusss pasted "ANN: trivial-email" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99269 06:26:39 I could cut the line count in half with a single format, but i prefer to see things spelled out 06:27:08 oh, you can send spam using lisp now! 06:27:20 enterprise messaging, here we come! 06:29:04 tcr: that's what mkstemp is doing, isn't it? 06:34:07 stassats: But hopefully in an OS-specific safe manner, e.g. uses O_CREAT | O_EXCL on Linux 06:41:44 sbcl does that on :if-exists :error 06:44:42 Rigdern_ [~Rigdern@magnemite-64.dynamic.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 06:46:58 sure 06:47:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:48:08 -!- Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 06:48:58 -!- Rigdern [~Rigdern@foxy-60.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:48:58 -!- Rigdern_ is now known as Rigdern 06:53:57 hmm, i am trying to get either clisp or clozure to pass command line arguments to my own init function 06:54:01 any pointer how? 06:54:22 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:54:26 clisp's saveinitmem takes an entry-point argument, but i don't see command line argument passing options 06:54:28 ccl:*command-line-argument-list* 06:54:41 and ext:*args* 06:54:52 -!- iPac [~bubble@p54AA5D2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:01 Hello 06:55:11 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 06:56:11 ckt1g3r [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r] has joined #lisp 06:57:00 hello, how do I have to define a setf function ? I've tried (defun (setf thumb-align) (x-align y-align obj) ...) but calling (setf (thumb-align obj) 1.0 1.0) says I have an odd number of parameters 06:57:02 stassats: excellent! thank you 06:57:12 clisp -- foo bar baz 06:57:42 i believe you don't need -- when you save an executable image 06:57:48 but i haven't tried 06:58:45 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:47 kiuma: setf takes only one argument for a value 06:59:03 kiuma, it should be (defun (setf ta) (new-value x y) ...) and (setf (ta o 1 0) nv) 06:59:23 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:59:54 c|mell: i believe 1.0 1.0 are _new-values_ 07:00:37 stassats, should I pass them as list ? 07:00:42 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 07:01:49 can't you live without a setf-function? 07:02:02 -!- Rigdern [~Rigdern@magnemite-64.dynamic.rpi.edu] has quit [Quit: Rigdern] 07:02:28 whoops, sorry -- i guess that you could pass them in as a list, vector or struct, use three separate setfs, or abandon setf 07:03:28 using multiple values may be the way 07:04:15 stassats, I'm translating a C lib with CFFI , htere are functions like the one before that are named like "elm_thumb_align_get" and "elm_thumb_align_set" I thought the most natural way was to define two function as (defun thumb-align ...) and (defun (setf thumb-align) ...) 07:04:38 eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has joined #lisp 07:05:34 i don't like the idea of consing a new structure just to pass parameters 07:05:45 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 07:06:08 and i wouldn't much like (setf (foo 1.0 1.0) object) 07:06:11 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.177.0.205] has joined #lisp 07:06:22 stassats, you'd keep original function naming ? 07:06:37 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 07:07:36 stassats, why not (setf (thumb-align obj) (values 1.0 1.0)) or (setf (thumb-align obj) '(1.0 1.0)) ? 07:08:52 anyway I think a list would be more appropriate since the get function returns a list 07:09:05 values is alright, but you need to write a setf macro, not a function 07:09:27 if you already use lists, then ok 07:10:04 whould I write a macro even if the get function returns a list ? is it 'more lispy' ? 07:10:42 you would write a macro when you can't write a function 07:12:15 you could store the x and y as a complex number :) 07:13:42 c|mell, yes but this could be a bit screw, even because I've other setf that mus accept two methods 07:14:59 stassats, is (defun (setf thumb-align) (x-y-list obj) ...) a 'badly' lisp defined function ? 07:15:44 depends on what you need 07:17:04 stassats, a good porting of "void elm_thumb_align_set(Evas_Object *obj, float x_align, float y_align){}" and "void elm_thumb_align_get(const Evas_Object *obj, float *x, float *y) {}" 07:17:25 s/porting/binding/ 07:17:56 you have to judge sometimes on your own, what's bad and what's good 07:18:19 lol , but I'm somewat a lisp newbie :) 07:18:39 I'm asking an opinion and trust more experienced lispers 07:19:10 please an opinion 07:19:19 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:19:21 do you often have pairs of x_align and y_align? 07:19:56 c|mell, yes but not only floats, also booleans, strings and so on 07:20:26 I always return a list for those functions 07:20:40 always marked x and y? if so you could create a (defstruct point x y) 07:20:55 c|mell, no 07:21:48 since I always return a list for multi value getters wouldn't be a nice chioice to have a list also for setters ? 07:22:27 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:54 the 'sad thing is that I've already bound half of the library, fortunately multi values are not so much 07:22:57 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 07:23:06 so I can still easily refactor 07:23:34 i think it makes sense to use a list 07:24:00 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #lisp 07:24:32 -!- ckt1g3r [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r] has left #lisp 07:25:21 c|mell, thanks 07:25:45 hello 07:26:18 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-23-215.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:26:43 i quite like the idea of stassats multiple values, and correspondingly returning multiple values from the get methods 07:27:16 but the danger is that you might start forgetting to catch the ys :) 07:27:25 Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:59 Fare: ping 07:29:37 nus [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has joined #lisp 07:30:07 vng [~user@123.20.120.208] has joined #lisp 07:30:27 ave fe[nl]ix 07:30:36 hi kiuma 07:31:45 c|mell, isn't list a more handy data comared to values ? 07:31:53 Good afternoon! 07:33:34 kiuma, you can change between the two representations easily (multiple-value-list ...) but if you're returning multiple values from a function, seems to make sense to use the language constructs for that 07:36:21 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:37:52 c|mell, I return lists, just I have to decide if use values or lists now for both getters and setters 07:39:49 that's where lies the danger in writing libraries for the sake of libraries 07:40:56 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:42:55 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:47 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:46:10 "for the sake of libraries" ? 07:47:58 what is your motivation for writing this library? is it just to have a CL wrapper or do you want to actually use it in an application? 07:48:21 -!- Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Absquatulandus sum] 07:50:46 c|mell, I want to create enlightenment applications and widgets, ..but in lisp :) 07:50:59 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:54 nus- [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has joined #lisp 07:52:04 -!- nus [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:52:08 -!- nus- is now known as nus 07:53:29 -!- eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has quit [Quit: eugu] 07:53:50 half an idea of writing a videogame with them :) 07:54:04 i think the general idea, is focus on making the application or widget or game, and only make library stubs on demand 07:54:24 this means that they will be better suited to actually using them 07:55:11 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 07:56:16 Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-134-137.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 07:57:48 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:59:58 kiuma, why don't you contribute instead to Eclipse and McCLIM? 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So, I think you shouldn't stay in there. Those in the center are better. 08:02:18 Remembered. I'll tell beach when he/she/it next speaks. 08:03:13 nus, do you know enlightenment and efl ? 08:03:45 nus: i thought stumpwm is in vogue nowadays 08:05:08 kiuma, what do you mean by 'know'? 08:05:33 stassats, Eclipse is more closer to E17, I believe. 08:05:35 "have you drink beer with it?" 08:05:41 heh 08:06:27 nus, use and do you think efl biniding could converge to eclipse ? 08:07:34 kiuma, I've tried at a couple of desktops, like some 10 years ago. 08:07:43 every sufficiently advanced technology converges to magic 08:08:05 s/ at/ it at/ 08:09:45 nus, today E is very cool and ahas a very fast graphic 08:09:57 e17 anyway 08:10:41 cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 08:11:48 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:49 *kiuma* goes to the shop to get the new core i7 sever ^^ 08:15:01 bbl 08:15:18 so, e17 is not so fast if yo u need a core i7 08:16:41 LOL, I told 'server' :P 08:16:42 -!- cmsimon 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It worked, but that was a while ago. 12:30:36 rj-code [~user@32.178.127.219] has joined #lisp 12:31:40 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-71-107.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:33:30 obviously, you shouldn't use asdf-install from sbcl on cmucl 12:33:55 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:21 and frankly, you shouldn't use asdf-install at all 12:34:50 carlocci [~nes@93.37.199.57] has joined #lisp 12:34:53 i look into the asdf-install.lisp, it is for sbcl specific. 12:36:17 is there other way to download cliki packages? or i have to download them manually. 12:36:35 why do you want to do that? 12:37:40 :P, asdf-install gives me a lazy way. 12:38:29 -!- ska` [~user@124.157.137.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:33 actually, i've downloaded all packages i need manually. 12:39:37 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-3-246.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:39:49 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:42:37 nixie: What stassats is dancing around is that there are other tools for grabbing libraries, and they don't grab them from cliki  clbuild and, um, something else I think. 12:42:51 WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 12:43:21 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:43:23 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 12:43:51 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:44:37 The version of asdf-install on cliki should work. I think that's what I used. 12:45:11 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 12:45:17 nixie: Which compiler are you using? Some come with asdf-install. 12:46:20 i think i just got an contrib for sbcl unfortunately. I see there is a portable for cmucl in lly, i've downloaded all packages i need 12:46:21 manually. 12:46:21 20:39 *** Beetny QUIT Ping timeout: 264 seconds 12:46:21 20:39 *** kpreid JOIN 12:46:21 20:42 nixie: What stassats is dancing around is that 12:46:21 there are other tools for grabbing libraries, and 12:46:21 they don't grab them from cliki  clbuild and, um, 12:46:22 something else I think. 12:46:22 20:42 *** WOG JOIN 12:46:23 20:43 *** abugosh QUIT Quit: Leaving. 12:46:23 20:43 *** hefner JOIN 12:46:24 20:43 *** pchrist QUIT Quit: leaving 12:46:24 20:44 The version of asdf-install on cliki should work. I 12:46:25 think that's what I used. 12:46:51 avast there! 12:48:12 i should get a portable one and try again. and i should learn about the clbuild 12:48:36 nixie: What compiler are you using? 12:49:10 i guess CMUCL 12:49:16 yes 12:49:24 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:49:38 oh sorry, I hadn't scrolled back that far. 12:54:08 i'm newbie in lisp and with a bunch of questions. :) thanks for help. 12:54:41 let me ask a question too. why cmucl? 12:55:50 you mean why i start at cmucl? 12:56:06 yes, why do you use cmucl? 12:57:39 -!- billstclair is now known as wwsmac 12:58:05 actually, i installed sbcl, clisp and cmucl. and i just want to know how to to load asdf and asdf-install in cmucl. i saw sbcl have asdf pre-installed. 12:59:36 is cmucl not very good? there is talk about it's conservative. 13:00:03 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 13:00:04 cmucl is good, but its development isn't as active anymore 13:02:26 sbcl is a cmucl fork... 13:02:28 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:09 yes, so i installed sbcl after i installed cmucl as well. :) 13:03:10 because it made radical changes (to the build process and amount of built-in facilities, iirc) to improve its portability/buildability/...? 13:04:46 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-80-94.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:05:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 13:05:19 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:32 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 13:05:33 -!- anyone [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:03 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:08:18 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-70-158.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:08:56 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:05 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 13:12:22 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-56-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:18:05 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:18 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 13:20:52 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:21:20 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 13:21:27 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-205-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:22:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:24:03 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:24:22 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30:11 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-65-220.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:35:55 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:37 how do you deal with uber-long package names that have no nicknames and you can't reliably :use them because they calsh even with COMMON-LISP package? 13:36:42 *clash 13:37:26 p_l: rename-package, or lots of shadowing. 13:37:28 add nicknames? 13:38:09 stassats: assuming the package is not done by yourself. I'm just wondering if I should *again* modify dwim's defpackage forms or if there is another way 13:38:19 tfb_ [~tfb@212.183.140.34] has joined #lisp 13:38:37 minion: tell p_l about rename-package 13:38:37 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``rename-package''. 13:38:40 that doesn't stop you from modifying it 13:38:43 clhs rename-package 13:38:43 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rn_pkg.htm 13:38:48 p_l: and an intermediate package that imports and reexports the right things. 13:38:50 That's the one... 13:39:13 -!- tfb_ [~tfb@212.183.140.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:16 p_l: trouble with closer-mop? 13:40:22 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:41:14 Fare: closer-mop stuff I managed through intensive use of :shadowing-import-from in all hu.dwim.* packages 13:41:54 is there way to change installed position of sbcl.core for slime? i am not install sbcl in default position. and slime complain it can not find sbcl.core. 13:42:03 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value.] 13:42:24 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:29 zippi [~zippi@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 13:42:46 nixie: add --core option to SBCL's invocation 13:43:00 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756f4a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:29 i change my setup to (setq inferior-lisp-program "...src/runtime/sbcl --core ...output/sbcl.core"). but complain still. 13:48:02 -!- plan9 [~stian@arachnotron.sletner.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:48:04 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:48:05 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:07 -!- WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:08 TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.19.54.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 13:56:17 nixie: complain how? 13:56:36 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 13:57:28 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:20 WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 14:01:49 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0002-76-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:02:24 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:02:30 fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 16213(tid 3085035200): 14:02:32 can't find core file at /usr/local/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core 14:03:09 creating a simple push button with raw clx is quite a challenge. key/mouse interaction, focus, how its actually draw, enabled/disabled, size, font, clicke/pressed/released callbacks, etc. etc. 14:03:22 There is a lot to a 'simple' push button ;) 14:03:34 ahem, why does sbcl use mktemp at all????? 14:03:44 sounds like a bad idea. At least on Unix. 14:04:21 -!- eugu [~eugene@212.1.246.237] has left #lisp 14:04:59 it seems the --core for inferior-lisp-program is useful for winxp, but my ubuntu just does not work. 14:05:25 nixie: I don't think it's getting used by emacs. Could be specified incorrectly in some way. 14:06:56 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 14:06:57 (let ((core (expand-file-name "~/lisp/sbcl/sbcl.core-for-slime"))) (setq slime-lisp-implementations `((sbcl ("sbcl" "--core" ,core))))) 14:07:20 i'm trying use slime-lisp-implementation. 14:08:20 that's pretty much all I have in my .emacs as far a selecting a specific core 14:08:31 -!- rj-code [~user@32.178.127.219] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:31 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:10:54 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.175.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:10:58 -!- WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:11:11 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 14:11:44 nope, it's not sufficient to tuck a .o at the end of the list to get an image compatible with an existing genesis :( :( :( 14:12:19 nyef: are you around? 14:12:35 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:13 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:54 I'm not funny, if I answer "nyet", right? 14:14:02 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:11 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:14:23 merl15 [~merl@188-22-20-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 14:14:57 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:15:04 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:15:33 zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:02 -!- zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:03 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:12 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:18:37 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:44 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:19:28 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21:32 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:43 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:22:16 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:42 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:24:43 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:50 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:26:23 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:29 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:26:59 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:05 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:27:07 nixie` [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:27:09 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:18 zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:24 fiveop [~fiveop@64.235.198.242] has joined #lisp 14:29:43 Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 14:30:03 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:32:11 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 14:33:11 -!- nixie` [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:17 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:38:23 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:29 nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has joined #lisp 14:39:08 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.51.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:45 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 14:43:15 interestingly, ASDF seems to not run the u-i-f-r-c method on asdf systems. Sigh. 14:43:21 CCL does it. 14:44:20 Fare: The _what_ method? 14:44:26 update instance for redefined class 14:44:32 clhs u-i-f-r-c 14:44:33 UPDATE-INSTANCE-FOR-REDEFINED-CLASS: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_upda_1.htm 14:44:34 c'mon! 14:44:41 heh 14:44:56 sigh. 14:45:00 *sellout* is mostly an Obj-C programmer these days. 14:45:28 This makes updating from the current asdf.lisp to the latest not working on SBCL. Sigh. 14:45:44 taking extreme measures. 14:46:55 Fare: or you can just give up wrt. the runtime updating 14:47:29 I could, especially since I'm now focusing on releasing asdf2. 14:47:33 sigh. 14:47:50 fe[nl]ix, since you're here... 14:48:20 I had to shadow CLOSE and STREAM-ELEMENT-TYPE in iolib.base, because on ECL they are DEFUNs, not DEFGENERICs 14:48:27 is that OK? 14:49:15 no 14:49:42 when you (require :gray) on ECL, the fdefinition of CLOSE gets replaced 14:49:50 at least it used to be that way 14:51:04 hum. Then something should (require :gray) early on... 14:51:28 Module error: Don't know how to REQUIRE GRAY. 14:52:00 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-194-212-145.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:49 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:52 Fare: take a look at ecl/src/clos/streams.lsp 14:57:30 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:00 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:01 I'm looking at it in the latest ECL. It says it keeps them as simple DEFUNs that call the EXT:STREAM-CLOSE etc. gfs. 14:59:03 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 14:59:13 hmm, everyone has a BlueGene nowadays 14:59:19 *hefner* kicks his macbook 14:59:21 simonh [~simonholg@2.96.64.76] has joined #lisp 15:00:57 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:35 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 15:01:40 stassats, Did you not get yours 15:02:00 Guthur: it doesn't fit in my apartment :( 15:02:20 bummer 15:02:29 now that SBCL is running on it, i'll consider getting a bigger one 15:02:30 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:03:33 Fare: I think I need to add a (gray::redefine-cl-functions) somewhere 15:03:34 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:11 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:08:26 segmond [~seg@adsl-99-103-112-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:16 marioxcc [~user@200.92.180.61] has joined #lisp 15:09:45 nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-163-168.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:12 probably 15:11:02 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:25 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-36.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:40 ska` [~user@124.157.137.205] has joined #lisp 15:13:48 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:38 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:15:50 -!- ska` [~user@124.157.137.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:18 ska` [~user@124.157.137.205] has joined #lisp 15:17:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-228-212.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:19:20 stassats: be careful to get the linux one, if you want to run Lisp on it :P 15:20:15 you might get the one with a big bunny painted on the side, which won't run SBCL... 15:22:16 Fare: is it just me, or does ASDF2 use READ instead of LOAD for system definitions? (cause I had to do some changes to iolib) 15:27:30 dougx [~dougx@vc-41-31-94-216.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:31:20 somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 15:32:18 fe[nl]ix: i get lots of "The function was called with four arguments, but wants at most three." on SIGNAL-SOCKET-ERROR when compiling iolib after "Include syscall name in SYSCALL-ERRORs" commit 15:32:20 no it doesn't 15:33:31 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:34:03 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-205-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:37:51 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:08 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 15:42:39 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:42:55 hi, I can't get (require :cl-irc) to work, it complains about the compilation of protocol, does someone know how to get it to success? 15:43:40 here's the error : erred while invoking # on 15:43:41 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.96.118.1] has joined #lisp 15:43:42 # [Condition of type ASDF:COMPILE-FAILED] 15:43:59 stassats: fixed 15:44:27 burton: it means that it couldn't compiler file protocol, please use lisppaste to paste the whole compilation log 15:44:32 lisppaste: link? 15:44:40 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 15:44:40 minion: lisppaste? 15:44:46 stassats, I had a patch for that, but never got around to sending it to fe[nl]ix yesterday 15:46:39 -!- dougx [~dougx@vc-41-31-94-216.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:47:01 burton pasted "cl-irc failure" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99280 15:47:13 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 15:47:42 burton: that's not an actual error 15:47:52 lisppaste: what is printed *before* that? This was debugger window 15:48:10 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:10 woops sorry 15:48:31 anyway, i guess the issue can be solved by getting cl-irc from SVN 15:49:49 burton pasted "cl-irc failure log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99281 15:50:01 here's the log, sorry for the wrong paste 15:50:08 stassats: I'll try that 15:52:46 maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 15:53:58 Athas` [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 15:55:18 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:56:27 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:40 Hey, why don't we use linkage-tables for callbacks? 15:57:07 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 15:57:16 nyef, would that help with libsbcl.a 15:57:17 ? 15:57:25 -!- Athas` is now known as Athas 15:57:39 ... Maybe? 15:58:05 what does genesis want to know about static addresses? 15:58:08 I'm more thinking that we then stuff the callback stubs into code-components instead of static vectors, allow them to be relocated, and patch up the linkage-table on GC. 15:58:30 Could that be guaranteed by putting stuff in the proper segment, maybe with a proper link script? 15:58:47 I'm really, fundamentally, not sure. 15:58:54 :( 15:59:12 Genesis itself needs to know the location of two things in the runtime. 15:59:16 (Or was it one?) 15:59:22 code or data? 15:59:25 The main one is undefined_tramp. 15:59:42 There might have been another one... probably funcallable_instance_tramp. 15:59:54 Beyond that, the -core- will need some addresses. 15:59:59 Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 16:00:08 Depending partly on architecture and options. 16:00:34 There's an alien-value fixup in the allocation sequence on some platforms, for example... Not to mention the allocation -trampolines-. 16:01:02 konr [~user@201.82.133.249] has joined #lisp 16:01:13 boggles 16:01:53 What? 16:01:58 the linker will probably handle that for core 16:02:20 -!- xinming [~hyy@125.109.247.155] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:02:31 the question is then -- how do we guarantee that any trampoline required for genesis is at a fixed address 16:02:37 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@vipnet4921.mobile.carnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:02:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: reboot] 16:02:52 a bit of linker magic could help 16:03:04 ak70 [~ak70@195.158.79.229] has joined #lisp 16:03:16 Put a "support vector" in the core, make sure the runtime can find it, and fill it with function pointers. 16:03:43 The reverse dependencies are the static symbols, and they're always consecutively allocated and can be found relative to NIL. 16:04:01 how do we find NIL? 16:04:02 Again, make that findable by, say, putting a pointer to it in the core header, and you're done. 16:04:27 if I relink, my core will change size 16:06:09 All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection ? 16:06:50 you abstract your problem to someone else 16:07:11 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:07:27 xinming [~hyy@125.109.247.155] has joined #lisp 16:09:31 nyef: I understand the theory, but I fear I don't want to put my hands in the grease at the time. 16:09:49 just identifying the things that need to be put there... makes me shudder 16:10:38 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:11:37 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 16:14:33 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 16:16:56 stassats: thanks, it worked with the svn version ! 16:17:06 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.96.118.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:08 Say I want to write a tetris-like game that runs on a web browser, where can I get some help? 16:17:10 great 16:17:43 kenjin2201: do you have any problems? 16:17:59 I have no idea where to begin 16:18:27 What library should I look into? 16:18:43 minion: hunchentoot? 16:18:44 hunchentoot: Hunchentoot is a web server written in Common Lisp and at the same time a toolkit for building dynamic websites. http://www.cliki.net/hunchentoot 16:19:27 kenjin2201: ##javascript, I assume. 16:21:31 nyef: do you think we should try to mainline the bluegene port? It's definitely got more users than alpha ;) 16:21:50 Is Parenscript good? 16:23:15 ikki [~ikki@189.139.180.183] has joined #lisp 16:23:24 Fare: indirection and caching... I wonder what sort of coding style that leads to, in the extreme. 16:25:21 pkhuong: Honestly, the only port on -my- to-land list is that OpenBSD/PPC one... Once I fix the commentary. And I suspect that I'm not going to commit some of the test fixes immediately, either. 16:25:31 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:25:32 so semantic problems are resolved with indirection, performance problems with caching? 16:26:16 Fare: right. 16:27:34 Fare: Now find a portmanteau with Wheeler and Mathisen (: 16:27:45 -!- nha [~prefect@p3E9E6932.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:28:01 dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:29:02 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:11 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslff022.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:29:17 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:29:46 -!- maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:15 -!- aw [~aw@ip-90-186-19-238.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 16:31:37 aw [~aw@ip-90-186-19-238.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 16:32:06 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:34:19 Fare: that's why I considered using ELF/PE for core format... you can dump everything on the linker :D 16:34:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-228-212.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:04 that would be neta 16:36:15 p_l: yeah, it's probably doable for cores; fasl are much heavier. 16:36:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-228-212.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:36:55 how can i make mcclim command reader not terminate argument reading when i hit #\Space? 16:37:49 loxs [~loxs@78.90.124.181] has joined #lisp 16:38:35 btw, regarding "dumping compiler for delivery" thing - what if instead of trying to remove PCL's need for compiler, just switch for such images to Static CLOS? 16:39:05 p_l: uh? 16:39:26 what's Static CLOS ? 16:39:36 Fare: sort of like your hack where you precompile effective methods, but more aggressive (i.e. not sound). 16:39:37 Fare: there's a variant of CLOS designed for static images, that is, ones that don't allow changes 16:39:44 is SB-HEADDUMP maintained? working? 16:39:45 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:11 Fare: not maintained, might be working. 16:40:11 but I'm not sure how Static CLOS would play with MOP 16:40:14 i got it half-working recently 16:40:36 stassats, what's that half division? 16:41:04 there was some problem dumping some objects, i don't remember exactly 16:41:12 jgracin [~jgracin@vipnet4921.mobile.carnet.hr] has joined #lisp 16:44:31 i abandoned fixing it since it didn't suit my needs anyway 16:51:44 HET2 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:53:40 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 16:55:47 Borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:48 Hey guys. Can you tell me what CAR and CDR stand for? 16:56:06 phryk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAR_and_CDR 16:56:08 I know what it does, but it's hard to get it into my head, because I don't know what they mean 16:56:20 stassats: Theres a wiki page for that? :D 16:56:37 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-36.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire.] 16:58:21 Oookay, I think I will just not try to remember what they stand for... 17:00:23 phryk: have you done assembly programming on 8bit cpu with 16bit addresses? then think of it like something similar to all those "high-part of register" stuff :P 17:01:11 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:15 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:01:26 hmm, 85M core, where did all that came from 17:01:43 -!- aw [~aw@ip-90-186-19-238.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01:43 that's rather small one... 17:02:34 hum. Now that I've got iolib working and handling sigchld synchronously, I can start work on my xcvb "farmer" 17:03:31 phryk: Do what I do, don't use them. 17:03:33 p_l: that's on 32-bit 17:03:41 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:03:46 clhs: first 17:03:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_firstc.htm 17:03:50 clhs: rest 17:03:50 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rest.htm 17:04:45 gonzojive [~red@128.12.248.192] has joined #lisp 17:05:01 -!- gonzojive [~red@128.12.248.192] has quit [Client Quit] 17:05:06 aw [~aw@ip-90-186-19-238.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:10 mcclim adds some 30M 17:06:35 not that i care about disk size, but about start-up time 17:06:57 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 17:07:00 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 17:07:14 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:07:33 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-194-212-145.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 17:08:17 Going back a bit, to the mention of sb-heapdump, another possibility to consider is hacking -genesis- to produce a heapdump image from fasls instead of using that crazy heap tracing logic that heapdump uses. 17:09:20 nyef: or hacking COMPILE... 17:09:25 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:45 *nyef* finds genesis easier to understand than compile, tbh. 17:12:35 CLOS is a problem though: there's a lot more processing at LOAD-time. 17:12:50 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:35 -!- zippi [~zippi@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 17:15:50 LowRider [~LowRider@178.154.5.46] has joined #lisp 17:15:51 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.106.21] has joined #lisp 17:19:05 -!- LowRider [~LowRider@178.154.5.46] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 17:20:12 Jabberwockey [~jens@port-9005.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 17:20:17 prxq [~mommer@e179217135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:20:23 hi 17:20:31 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-228-212.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:51 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 17:21:00 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.139.180.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:34 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-223.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:26:32 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@vipnet4921.mobile.carnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:30:14 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:34:25 Phoodus [foo@174-17-12-60.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:36 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:12 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:56 -!- quodlibetor [~user@ool-18baa8f1.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:12 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 17:40:38 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:41:22 Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.55.232] has joined #lisp 17:42:39 -!- vsync [~vsync@24.173.173.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:44:39 Odditus [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 17:45:36 bing___ [~bing___@CPE00219110009e-CM001371142b9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:46:58 hefner_ [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 17:46:58 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:59 -!- hefner_ is now known as hefner 17:47:34 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:48:14 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-102-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 17:50:49 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.55.232] has quit [Quit: Well, the machine might have gone down. 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Tell me please What moment does a macro's result is calculating in? 18:09:05 ArkRost, uh? 18:09:41 maybe this will help confuse you more: fare.livejournal.com/146698.html 18:11:53 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:13 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 18:13:55 ArkRost: can you give an example of what you're wondering about? 18:14:27 -!- TDT [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:15:22 Dodek [dodek@jest.pro] has joined #lisp 18:15:36 ArkRost: Macro's result is placed in place of its invocation. 18:17:56 -!- Jabberwockey [~jens@port-9005.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:17:59 ArkRost: if you have a macro named Foo and you evaluate (Foo 5), the macro-function is called with 5 as the argument, and it returns new code that is evaluated instead of the original form. 18:19:13 ikki [~ikki@189.247.83.148] has joined #lisp 18:19:22 but it's called with with '(foo 5) as an argument! 18:19:46 stassats: Are you sure that's not a compiler-macro-function 18:19:49 ? 18:19:51 stassats: only with &whole 18:20:28 if you called (Foo bar), it would be called with BAR as the argument; that's different than the normal evaluation, which would normally try to evaluate BAR for its value before calling the function foo 18:20:28 Ah, fair point, if the macro-function has an &whole argument then it has to have received the entire arglist. 18:21:24 (setf (macro-function 'foo) (lambda (&rest args) (print args))) (macroexpand '(foo 5)) => ((FOO 5) NIL) 18:22:23 *Xach* stands corrected 18:22:52 the NIL is the environment, I suppose 18:22:58 right 18:23:08 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082B683.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:57 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082EA77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:29:44 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-36.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:00 Now, is that actually specified, or does the standard just guarantee that the arguments are available post-destructuring? 18:30:15 clhs macro-function 18:30:16 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_macro_.htm 18:30:41 clhs defmacro 18:30:41 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defmac.htm 18:30:56 Ah, fair enough. 18:30:57 "The expansion function accepts two arguments, a form and an environment." 18:31:34 and it actually makes sense, since it simplifies the evaluator 18:31:37 Yeah, that's from the glossary, which is fortunately normative. 18:33:04 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 18:33:12 -!- ArkRost [~Aravan@92-100-166-34.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:31 pkhuong: ... Linux/Alpha has been completely broken for a year? 18:35:31 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:26 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.19.54.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:38:00 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-134-137.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 18:40:11 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42:18 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 18:46:48 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:41 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 18:48:11 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:49:21 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@93.85.44.68] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:49:59 -!- kleppari_ [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:54:17 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-36.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire.] 18:56:58 jgracin [~jgracin@vipnet4921.mobile.carnet.hr] has joined #lisp 18:58:01 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:04:43 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440260.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 19:05:08 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440260.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:05:11 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440260.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 19:05:23 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440260.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:08:19 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 19:09:03 adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-55-157.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:24 slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-214-244.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:55 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:24:50 my pizza-box udb alpha! 19:27:23 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 19:29:02 I... -might- be able to set up an alpha, but I'm not sure I have the RAM, and I'm fairly sure I don't have the video card... And I've no clue what to do about the power supply, my one alpha board has two power supply connectors on it. 19:29:20 Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:03 debian buildd says that 1.0.29.x was ok, the next version had a typo (sc!c::foo somewhere), and the version after that a gc error of some kind 19:30:08 or other heap corruption 19:30:49 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:31:08 Ah, lovely. 19:31:57 -!- aw [~aw@ip-90-186-19-238.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:32:00 Hunh. I think my one alpha board has old-style PC/AT power connectors, at that. 19:32:28 And I'm not about to try and repeat my qemu-system-mips experiment for alpha. 19:34:29 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 19:35:15 nyef: AT or ATX board, or a custom one? 19:35:23 ah,AT. 19:35:35 the second set of connectors is iirc 3.3V rails 19:36:04 (or 5V, I can't remember properly - it was the one that wasn't included in PC/AT) 19:36:05 I think it might be one of the old "noname" boards or whatever they were called? 19:36:16 Are they required supply, though? 19:36:25 (And how do I know which is which?) 19:36:39 nyef: two rows of PC/AT connectors was standard on DEC's desktop boards. for example in AS233 19:37:11 also, it was impossible to connect them incorrectly without breaking connectors, and yes, they were required. 19:37:27 what cpu is onboard? 19:38:09 nyef: btw, Qemu doesn't have system-level emulation for Alpha, only userspace 19:38:21 Not sure what CPU is onboard, TBH. 19:38:32 And if it requires both sets of connectors then there's no way I can power it. 19:38:40 nyef: do you have the board close? 19:38:57 pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.124.96] has joined #lisp 19:39:08 Close, but not quite easily accessible. It'd take a couple of minutes to dig out. 19:39:21 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:27 I have a functional Multia that could be recomissioned, but it doesn't have enough ram to be really useful. 19:39:41 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:40:01 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-102-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:10 nyef: well, if you read the number on the chipse, the exact number is not important, but the digit after 21 (i.e. the x in 21x72 or similar) 19:40:26 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:45 Fade: RAM can be sourced fairly easily, surely? 19:40:56 it usees ECC simms 19:41:01 afair 19:41:17 shouldn't be too hard to come by on ebay and the like 19:41:21 assuming they're normal ones 19:41:21 but I could probably bring it up in my machine room if you thought it would be useful. 19:41:29 I have a lot of mips and sparc stuff too. 19:41:59 come on, hppa anyone? 19:42:10 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:15 Fare: my particular hardware jones wasn't that depraved. ;) 19:42:29 Fare: HPPA is rather easily accessible on eBay and similar 19:42:49 universitis sometimes throw them away, too 19:42:50 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:54 *universities 19:43:00 Fade: Multia has EV4/EV45 ? 19:43:14 ev4 19:43:40 When I was in college a student society inherited a bunch of HPPA and Alpha machines the maths department didn't want anymore 19:43:48 isn't an amd64 like EV9? 19:43:54 HG` [~HG@xdsles248.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:59 amd64 is like a baby alpha. 19:44:08 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.177.0.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:44:38 K8/K10 is like x86 placed on EV7z chipset 19:44:42 *nyef* notes that a cheneygc port of SBCL/amd64 would have the potential for awesomeness. 19:44:48 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:45:12 which isn't that weird, given that K7 is literally x86 on EV6 chipset, to the point of electrical compatibility 19:46:03 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.69.152] has joined #lisp 19:46:44 Fade: Multia should run on parity simms, without ECC - EV4/EV45 desktop boards used 21072 chipset, and its memory controllers accepted parity (33,34 and 36bit) or ECC (40bit) simms 19:46:46 what's the status of the amd vs intel race war? Has intel won again for good? 19:47:03 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.69.152] has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:09 p_l: when I get back east, I'll dig out the machine and see what it's status is. 19:47:09 Fare: AMD is still doing well in the really-big-machine segment 19:47:16 but that segment is sshrinking rapidly, of course 19:47:33 2 socket and below, Intel tends to dominate 19:47:41 the core i7 stuff intel released on 35 nanometer process is absurdly fast. 19:47:55 Fare: not sure. Intel finally stopped to suck with Nehalem (sure, Core2 was quite good, but only as long as you only had at most two cores and one socket) 19:48:24 aw [~aw@p5DDA8D01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:27 but the six core phenomII just released is within shouting distance of the i7, and it costs 700 dollars less. 19:48:49 Fare: that'd be looking at the top-end chips in both ranges, though, no? 19:48:59 I mean, normal i7s cost less than 700 dollars :P 19:49:00 Also the Fusion chips went to silicon lately 19:49:11 yeah, their six core stuff. 19:49:17 oh, yeah, that 19:49:40 Fade: Fusion is K8/K10 + Radeon 19:49:49 the six core desktop chips on both side are mostly aimed at the 'enthusiast' (meaning mad person) market at the moment, though 19:50:00 i have mixed feelings about putting a gpu in the cpu packge. :) 19:50:24 rsynnott: except you can get a six core phenomII for about 220 euros. 19:50:28 though their magny-cours fabrication process promises to put FireStream in server packages 19:50:30 If putting the GPU in with the CPU helps lower my power consumption, I'm not going to knock it too hard. 19:50:44 Fade: Intel pushes for it hard with i5 19:50:49 Fade: most mobile phone chips already do it :) 19:50:56 yeah, I know. :) 19:51:15 I suspect in the long term ARM is going to become a problem for Intel 19:51:19 it makes good sense in a SoC setup. 19:51:30 rsynnott, why so? 19:51:41 rsynnott: they will feel really stupid about selling their ARM manufacturing to Marvell, then 19:51:42 Intel still owns a lot of ARM ip, no? 19:51:43 quite high performance per watt, in some cases 19:51:50 ARM is 32-bit only, and Intel has a big stake in it 19:52:10 which may ultimately make it an option for the server market 19:52:11 Fare, Fade: Intel sold its ARM-related business some time ago to Marvel 19:52:17 ah, but it could become 64bit :) 19:52:23 do Intel retain much ARM IP? 19:52:25 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:27 64bit, asyncronous! 19:52:31 rsynnott: doubtful 19:52:36 i'd buy into that action. 19:52:43 rsynnott: their whole ARM deal was part of the DEC package 19:53:06 -!- prxq [~mommer@e179217135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:23 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:24 *p_l* will forever laugh his ass off regarding how iPaq came to existence 19:53:39 how did it? 19:53:58 *Fare* has memories of itsy 19:54:19 or what was it DEC called its thingie? 19:55:33 Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 19:56:08 *rsynnott* wonders if Intel will ever get into the phone market 19:56:14 they seem to want to pretty badly 19:56:20 but performance per watt isn't there yet 19:56:52 Fade: Itsy or Bitsy 19:57:20 and it ran Linux, apparently 19:57:57 -!- ska` [~user@124.157.137.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:58:03 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-3-246.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:49 alpha gear is still commanding pretty high prices on ebay. 19:58:50 Could anyone explain currying (generally and in lisp) to an idiot? 19:59:33 Fade: Unfortunately the kind of gear that is currently phased out is the very expensive kind - stuff like ES40, ES47, GS1280... 20:00:53 i've been looking for a wildfire system since forever, but the people that have them don't let them go. 20:01:19 phryk,  (x y) . E is uncurried,  (x) .  (y) . E is curried. 20:01:37 curry goes from uncurried to curried, uncurry goes from curried to uncurried 20:02:31 IOW, curry takes one argument at a time, with intermediate lambdas along the way. Uncurry takes arguments packed together. 20:03:03 in CL, uncurried is more efficient and more idiomatic, and functions are defined this way by default. 20:03:41 -!- Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04:50 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 20:04:51 -!- simonh [~simonholg@2.96.64.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:08:24 LowRider [~LowRider@e176027163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:08:30 What's the E stand for? 20:10:06 -!- LowRider [~LowRider@e176027163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 20:11:09 LowRider [~LowRider@client-82-199-197-88.speedy.sellinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:45 Fade: the EV7 systems are going to keep their market value for some more time - VMS still is supported for Alpha even for newest versions, and they are still quite good to run whatever they are running... 20:13:01 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsles248.osnanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:13:03 -!- LowRider [~LowRider@client-82-199-197-88.speedy.sellinet.net] has left #lisp 20:13:13 especially given the fact that late Alphas ran circles around pretty big chunk of Itanium offering 20:13:52 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-102-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 20:16:17 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 20:16:45 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:18:00 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 20:18:58 I can try getting access to HP-PA and a SPARC, btw (with HP-UX and Solaris, respectively) 20:19:02 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-205-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:41 WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:20:41 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@64.235.198.242] has quit [Quit: humhum] 20:20:43 btw, what do you guys think of gemcutter.org kind of service? 20:21:38 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 20:22:16 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.83.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:31 HG` [~HG@xdsleg150.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:25:24 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:06 TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.160.211.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:30:23 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:31:00 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 20:32:26 -!- jgracin [~jgracin@vipnet4921.mobile.carnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:14 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:35:24 does anyone know what's the equivalence of class-precedence-list function in SBCL? 20:35:48 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Client Quit] 20:36:06 Wouldn't it be something on the order of sb-mop:class-precedence-list or similar? 20:36:49 -!- pdponze [~pdponze@144.85.124.96] has left #lisp 20:39:38 nyef, you are right, that works. I don't know much about packages yet and what belongs where. :) 20:39:38 -!- potatishandlarn [~potatisha@c-4f66619b-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:39:41 thanks 20:40:30 segmond: when dealing with mop, you might want to use Closer-MOP library 20:40:39 stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:42:06 p_l, i have no idea what that is, how is different from sb-mop and why shuldn't i use sb-mop instead? 20:42:55 segmond: sb-mop won't work on non-sbcl common lisp implementations, but closer-mop has a decent chance of working in such a scenario. 20:44:51 ah okay. :-) 20:45:29 joelr [~joelr@80.Red-79-153-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:37 good evening! is there a slime channel? 20:47:02 nope, but you can probably start one. :) 20:48:07 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-36.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:21 my slime ends up in the *inferior-lisp* buffer for some reason 20:48:26 upon startup 20:48:40 does not start a regular slime buffer, although it connects and tells me to hack and be merry 20:48:47 any suggestions? 20:48:53 -!- rootzlevel [~user@91-66-191-155-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:48:53 Add slime-repl or slime-fancy to your slime-setup call in .emacs. 20:49:18 nyef: let me take a look at that... 20:49:57 nyef: how do i do that. these don't seem to be arguments to slime-setup 20:50:19 are these contrib packages? 20:50:25 Yeah, they're contribs. 20:50:42 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 20:50:47 (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) 20:50:54 *nyef* is just glad you didn't ask a hard question, like automatically setting text-properties for presentations. 20:51:17 p_l, nyef: thanks a lot 20:51:36 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #lisp 20:51:38 woohoo! 20:51:43 it works, it works! 20:53:32 -!- HET2 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:54:05 -!- joelr [~joelr@80.Red-79-153-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: joelr] 20:55:17 fe[nl]ix: it looks like there's a problem with the iolib git repo. 20:55:25 I can't get a clean checkout. 20:56:12 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:01:29 -!- bing___ [~bing___@CPE00219110009e-CM001371142b9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 21:02:18 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:06:42 it's throwing: 21:06:43 fatal: http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/git/iolib.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? 21:07:38 Fade: Use the git:// url instead? 21:08:17 (As far as the http url goes, one of the hooks needs to be enabled, that's all. post-receive-hook, I think it was. 21:08:25 *Fade* nods 21:08:46 well, the wnpp-projects line in clbuild lists the http url. 21:10:16 -!- jbd [~user@67-198-71-121.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:26 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:12:13 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsleg150.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:12:21 and, i think the http url is published because c-l.net doesn't expose a git:// interface. 21:13:06 ahh. it's at gitorious. 21:13:51 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:14:26 maden [~maden@dsl-151-253.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 21:16:10 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 21:18:00 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@rrcs-67-78-79-54.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:20:47 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:59 -!- somnium [~user@adsl-65-181-75.dab.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 21:21:04 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 21:22:07 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-7-204.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:24:49 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-95-173.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:24:58 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 21:29:11 galiley [~user@77.70.2.99] has joined #lisp 21:30:10 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:16 -!- easyE [MQni2c0jyC@panix3.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:32:26 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA8D01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33:01 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:34:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 21:34:23 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756f4a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:37 faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 21:37:03 aw [~aw@p5DDA8D01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:49 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 21:38:16 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:34 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 21:42:17 What does "&" do? 21:43:20 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:44:45 In what context? 21:45:17 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:45:37 (If you're thinking about lambda-list keywords, the answer is "nothing special, it's just a constituent character".) 21:46:49 symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:53 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 21:52:00 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:38 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 21:54:32 -!- schoppenhauer [~senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:56:43 schoppenhauer [~senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:57:52 nyef: "(defun curry (function &rest args)" 22:01:06 Right, lambda-list keywords. The & has no special meaning in and of itself, but all lambda-list keywords begin with &, and it's about the only place that & is used as the first character in a symbol name 22:03:24 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:06:15 Okay, thanks 22:08:42 nyef: cheneygc/x86-64? Any reason in particular? 22:09:17 It'd be a start towards having a gencgc/x86-64 set up like it is on PPC: Precise register and stack scavenging. 22:09:36 ichernetsky [~ichernets@93.85.47.161] has joined #lisp 22:09:57 Plus, more options = better cross-checking of our declared abstractions. 22:11:56 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 22:12:10 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:26 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:12:49 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:06 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:13:30 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-205-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:58 Kustnamenkloate [titan@unaffiliated/appetite] has joined #lisp 22:14:34 merl15_ [~merl@188-22-163-229.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 22:14:37 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-169-80-203.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:00 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:06 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:16:45 -!- Borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 22:18:08 -!- merl15 [~merl@188-22-20-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18:40 nyef: comparison between cheneygc and gencgc? 22:20:01 -!- tantan_ [tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999] has left #lisp 22:20:11 p_l: no gen and no c. 22:20:20 heh 22:20:28 p_l: It's a lead-in to having no c in gencgc for x86-64. 22:21:55 Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 22:22:08 -!- galiley [~user@77.70.2.99] has left #lisp 22:23:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:11 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:06 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26:08 -!- weirdo [~sthalik@c130-62.icpnet.pl] has left #lisp 22:26:10 weirdo [~sthalik@c130-62.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:26:17 oops, wrong button 22:26:54 ikki [~ikki@189.139.220.219] has joined #lisp 22:28:43 *p_l* wonders if anyone implemented Baker's Treadmill for Lisp. 22:28:55 Nshag [~none@AClermont-Ferrand-551-1-7-10.w92-133.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:29:26 the only implementation I found in literature had several issues which were attributed as possibly caused by C++, not the algorithm 22:33:25 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-171-47.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:34:23 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 22:35:21 stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 22:36:25 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 22:36:54 what sb package ahs the declaration-information function? 22:37:27 -!- segmond is now known as eastwind 22:37:44 that'd be in sb-cltl2 (which you may have to REQUIRE). 22:37:52 clhs apropos 22:37:53 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_apropo.htm 22:38:07 You might find that function useful. 22:38:30 -!- plutonas` [~plutonas@port-92-195-86-163.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:38:57 oh yeah, i completely forgot about apropos. lol 22:39:02 <--newbie, thanks. lol 22:40:46 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:33 plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-20-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:42:04 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.139.220.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:43:06 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 22:44:55 bella_calda_18 [bella_cald@95.154.230.12] has joined #lisp 22:45:46 those who exchange pictures? 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Here you can download my photos then let me know http://www.wikiupload.com/p4trNG1i 22:46:51 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:47:51 -!- bella_calda_18 [bella_cald@95.154.230.12] has quit [Client Quit] 22:50:52 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:11 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 22:53:31 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031482.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:26 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:55:27 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:21 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@rrcs-67-78-79-54.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 22:57:53 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 22:59:13 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 23:02:15 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 23:03:54 gonzojive [~red@128.12.248.192] has joined #lisp 23:04:50 pnq [~asdf@cpe-174-101-95-132.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:09:45 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p54839C91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:13:49 Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:04 -!- Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:16:48 cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 23:19:44 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:19:45 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 23:20:04 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:45 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@rrcs-67-78-79-54.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:23:41 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:53 xristos [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fec5:e30a] has joined #lisp 23:31:42 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.160.211.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:46 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33:18 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:06 TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.160.211.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:36:18 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-171-47.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:18 mindCrime__ [~chatzilla@64.134.184.174] has joined #lisp 23:38:03 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-171-47.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:38:35 -!- benny [~benny@i577A8E66.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:40:32 -!- mindCrime__ is now known as mindCrime 23:43:09 what is the correct way to have hu.dwim.perec output SQL to REPL while it's running queries? the old variable for that seems missing 23:43:39 -!- merl15_ [~merl@188-22-163-229.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:47:43 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:49:08 -!- p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-fqaxdkagonhsqxjx] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:49:18 p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-nfmrrgufrduqxhzc] has joined #lisp 23:50:47 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 23:52:48 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 23:55:59 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:58:22 -!- gonzojive [~red@128.12.248.192] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 23:59:26 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-83-139.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]