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Im a beginner 01:11:29 i have a java and python background 01:11:44 minion: tell maden about pcl 01:11:45 maden: look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 01:12:00 also known as dead-sexy book ;-) 01:12:03 that book seems dead sexy 01:12:04 :p 01:12:08 xD 01:13:17 maden: if you're on linux, you might find this useful as well: http://unya.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/linux-common-lisp-quickstart/ 01:13:26 i am 01:13:28 i read it earlier 01:13:37 haha 01:13:41 noticed that one of the urls were dead 01:13:43 i* 01:13:56 "Due to some questions on #lisp, I decided to throw together a quick, step-by-step solution to setting up a basic, but working, Common Lisp installation on Linux. The implementation used will be SBCL" 01:16:43 Jabberwock [~jens@port-15803.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 01:18:00 maden: which one? 01:18:03 -!- Jabberwockey [~jens@port-15814.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:18:09 the one i just bolded 01:18:12 SBCL 01:18:23 "The implementation used will be SBCL" 01:18:37 SBCL points to a huge url 01:18:55 hmm... something is wrong 01:19:16 TDT [~dthole@12.161.130.210] has joined #lisp 01:19:38 Ah, I see 01:19:51 I'd rather call it an issue with sbcl.org dns config, though :P 01:20:10 yeah it is 01:20:20 For cl-ppcre, is there a way to match newlines? In the text I'm parsing through, I see a ^M in the block of text and would like to replace it. A literal newline causes slime to have issues. 01:20:42 \r seems to match literal r, and Im not seeing this in the documentation either 01:21:43 TDT: you can match on octet 01:21:54 Remember to enable multiline mode first 01:21:55 pkhuong [~pkhuong@gravelga.xen.prgmr.com] has joined #lisp 01:22:07 maden: thanks for bringing the links to attention, I fixed them 01:22:42 Yeah, I have multi-line mode enabled already, but octet mode, how does that owrk? 01:23:22 np:) 01:24:08 TDT: wait, I'll get my regex reference 01:24:33 p_l: Thanks, trying to google on it as well 01:26:40 BrianRice [~water@c-76-115-44-87.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:01 TDT: ^M should map to \15 <--- I'm assuming that CL-PPCRE is properly compatible with PPCRE 01:27:45 -!- saikat [~saikat@99.13.242.166] has quit [Quit: saikat] 01:28:50 mind that you need to write it with double backslash inside a string 01:29:27 yup, it supports it 01:29:33 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:29:53 (ppcre:parse-string "\\15") => #\Return 01:30:08 -!- sav [~sav@189001136178.usr.predialnet.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:15 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 01:31:16 I wonder if this character is more than the return, the match doesn't seem to pull it, I"ll mess with that - thanks. Do you have a link to that cheat sheet you were looking at or is it in a book? 01:31:35 saikat [~saikat@99.13.242.166] has joined #lisp 01:33:23 Owl Book: Regular Expressions Pocket Reference, by Tony Stubblebine, from O'Reilly 01:33:47 ah ok, thanks, I can pick up the ebook copy of that from oreilly (I believe). Thanks for looking that up, I appreciate it 01:33:48 from 2003 01:35:27 -!- jao [~jao@83.43.35.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:49 troussan [~user@c-71-195-63-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:57 p_l: weitz has CL-INTERPOL which hooks in the reader to save some quoting. 01:36:51 adamvh [~adamvh@c-68-40-190-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:27 pkhuong: yeah, but I didn't want to assume it is loaded and enabled :) 01:37:41 after all, assuming makes an ass of you and me ;-) 01:40:28 is any lisp-related organisation joining for SoC? 01:41:07 lispnyc, maybe. 01:41:26 -!- cmsimon [~chatzilla@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 01:41:53 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-68-40-190-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:42:12 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 01:43:51 adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:28 nope, nothing for lisp 01:51:44 there's obviously something for Haskell and Scala, though 01:51:57 one of the FPish organisations might be open to sponsoring a CL project. 01:52:38 -!- prxq [~mommer@g227077124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:56:22 pkhuong: the two FPish orgs I found were Haskell and Scala :> 01:56:50 Doesn't mean they won't sponsor a lisp project. 01:59:01 anair_84 [~anair_84@wsip-72-215-168-118.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:13 debiandebian [~chatzilla@ntszok008047.szok.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:01:41 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:44 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 02:02:04 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xlrvvhyexzprengz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:02:26 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 02:03:12 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-culnudketvouxjnp] has joined #lisp 02:04:11 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.201.176] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 02:04:18 I guess Debian could approached with "making your CL packages not be a cause of groans on #lisp" ;-) 02:04:49 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:05:06 prxq [~mommer@f050206053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 02:05:18 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 02:05:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:06:27 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:09:55 hmmm... I found one group that could be certainly approached with Lisp-based solution 02:11:17 the Encyclopedia of Life 02:11:54 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:12:13 awesome, got the regex to work fine - The \\X stuff is interesting, I never heard of that before, thanks again p_l for the help there 02:12:26 np 02:14:02 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 02:15:33 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-252-170-201.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: blarg.] 02:15:38 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 02:16:51 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@200.80-202-59.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:20:13 \\15 => (code-char #o15)? 02:22:01 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:23:13 drewc` [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:18 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read 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They are somewhat incomplete, but I'd appreciate your input 08:21:18 positron_ [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 08:26:02 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-93.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: night] 08:29:37 prxq: Tricky right now, but ship them over! How many are there? 08:33:53 merl15__ [~merl@188-22-165-194.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 08:35:44 freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 08:39:03 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:39:17 beach: right now, 18. They are on your way :-) 08:44:13 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 08:47:40 still nothing. 08:50:45 jjgarcia [~5f10fe1a@gateway/web/freenode/x-wgaoxensrhwrdkwp] has joined #lisp 08:51:00 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-133-224.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:51:12 it went out 10 minutes ago. I'm also "offering" it to you now via irc... 08:51:57 How do I get to it? 08:52:05 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:52:31 beach: no idea. What client do you use? 08:52:37 ERC 08:52:52 hm 08:53:26 it's a DCC SEND, no idea how ERC deals with that... 08:53:39 (it timed out, i'll try again 08:53:40 ) 08:54:29 prxq: does your local router support that? 08:54:56 ehu: ah, that might explain things. damn 08:55:10 ie does it map the IP in the DCC command on the public interface to your pc? 08:55:12 right. 08:55:23 some do, most won't. 08:55:44 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-252-170-201.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 08:55:51 -!- suczker [~sucker@gw-sitel.spojovaci.net] has left #lisp 08:56:02 I get a message that a file was offered, so something is happening on your side. 08:57:28 But it also says: possibly bogus request: 0 is a privileged port. 08:57:44 heh 08:58:10 prxq: router bug? 08:58:22 ehu: might well be. 08:58:30 anyway, sounds like it's easier to attach to an e-mail. 08:58:38 it's a crappy one from the ISP company 08:59:03 can't change it because of the proprietary and nonstandard 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14:26:58 *p_l* just got his government decimated, so yes, he is kind of quiet, even if he disliked the party 14:27:43 p_l: I did catch something about a plane crash just before I headed out. It must be a terrible blow to the whole nation. :( 14:28:11 somecodehere` [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 14:28:16 p_l: so, only a tenth of the government is killed? 14:28:17 stassats`, memo from tcr: It'd be nice if one could use package names (and hence their shorter nickname) for the slime asdf commands like ,reload-system etc 14:28:17 stassats`, memo from tcr: There does not seem to exist a slime-selector shortcut to get at the Compilation buffer. 14:28:17 stassats`, memo from tcr: M-. for asdf systems would be nice, too. I'm not sure if the existing M-. hook mechanism is suitable for it, though. 14:28:17 stassats`, memo from tcr: I've got another idea! a way to list all the functions in a system etc. that use symbols from a certain package. Clearly we need more Slime hackers to put up with all my ideas! :-) 14:28:24 whoosh 14:28:26 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 14:29:57 schme: well, we lost president, military chiefs of staff (of all forces), several members of parliament, national bank's director, various aides, head of National Security Bureau, head of Institute of National Remembrance (institute for historical research into post-WW2 period, mainly focused on finding wtf happened in many cases), several family members of people murdered in Katy etc. 14:30:12 96 people total, including crew 14:30:31 tcr: hello 14:30:48 Yes. That is what I read then. I imagine something like that can put a .. bit of a dent in the operation of the nation. 14:30:58 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:32:04 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:32:45 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 14:35:45 -!- wgl [~wgl@c-98-227-91-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #lisp 14:36:31 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 14:38:26 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-116-136.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:24 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:41:56 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 14:43:26 adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:02 Its a shame thats the only way to get rid of politicians 14:46:12 especially career ones 14:46:43 Then did to linger around for to long, having no experience of what its like to live under the laws they pass 14:47:40 like under the law of on-topic 14:48:30 indeed 14:48:53 then did/they do 14:49:11 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 14:49:16 no actually - s/then did/ they tend 14:52:36 -!- leadnose [leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has left #lisp 14:53:03 Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 14:53:44 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 14:54:28 -!- somecodehere` [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:08 Xach: Do you read asdf-devel? 14:57:43 Guthur: well, that wasn't a good thing to happen, especially given that we are preparing for elections... EOT 14:58:22 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-53-32.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 14:58:23 Xach: Juanjo made a suggestion to make it possible to set up logical pathnames in a defsystem; afaik, isn't that the reason why you looked into logical pathnames? I.e. to be easily able to locate data files (pictures etc)? 14:58:32 beach: http://wiki.eol.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4457203 <--- do you think this would pass a project based around CL, with a CLIM-like Web GUI? 14:58:44 (for GSoC) 15:00:22 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-7-30.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:01:59 p_l: Oh finally got to watch the Slime tutorial vid, thanks for that link yesterday 15:02:33 Some cool stuff, I'll really need to spend some time learning a few of the emacs tricks he used 15:03:04 p_l: Hard to say. Do you have any relation with them? 15:03:29 p_l: Othere than the relation named "has nothing to do with". 15:03:34 *Other 15:04:06 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:06 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:06:04 beach: unfortunately, none. But they didn't really put much into exact technology used for implementation. 15:06:31 p_l: Possibly then, if you can phrase it in terms of what they are interested in. 15:07:07 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:48 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:12:57 ehu` [~ehu@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:13:34 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:14:59 marioxcc [~user@200.92.168.231] has joined #lisp 15:16:25 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:16:45 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.166.164.224] has joined #lisp 15:17:11 _8david [~user@pD9543703.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:18:58 -!- lichtblau [~user@pD9543090.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:21:26 bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:59 -!- ehu` [~ehu@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:23:35 htk__ [~htk___@95.65.241.83] has joined #lisp 15:23:45 Alabaman [~badgerfac@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 15:24:46 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 15:26:36 -!- htk_ [~htk___@unaffiliated/htk-/x-9867211] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:27:05 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:34 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30:35 ehu [~ehu@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:30:49 -!- Alabaman [~badgerfac@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:30:52 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 15:31:21 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:31:21 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:33:49 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:39:15 varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:40:07 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 15:40:53 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:45:13 rread [~rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:48 -!- rread [~rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:54 rread [~rread@nat/sun/x-ajrovyrsbbhanaeu] has joined #lisp 15:48:24 Idea for a READ that maintains source positions: manage a stack of forms. When read is about to return a token, it pushes an instance containing the token and the start/end positions on the list at the top of the stack. A call to a reader macro function pushes '() on the stack. Recursive reads by the macro function may push new expressions on the list on the top of the stack. When the call to the reader macro returns, READ creates 15:48:24 an instance from the expression returned, the reversed list of what was pushed by the reader macro, and the positions, on the list that is the second from the top of the stack, and pops the stack. 15:48:59 -!- xenosoz2 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:49:16 I'll let you contemplate that while I go watch "the daily show". 15:49:55 Odd error "Attempt to access unrecorded object (id 53)." 15:49:56 That should be "manage a stack of lists of forms". 15:50:25 xenosoz2 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 15:50:49 LiamH: nothing odd about it, it means that you are using a presentation that's not recorded now 15:51:12 stassats`: but how did that happen? I'm using slime as I always do. 15:51:22 tcr: yes. but the translation decision is up to the target, not the source, is my impression. 15:51:33 there is garbage collection 15:52:19 stassats`: I just clicked an object a few lines above into the input line. 15:52:27 shouldn't be GCed. 15:52:46 LiamH: why it shouldn't be gc'ed? 15:53:00 are there any references to it? 15:53:10 Yes, on the slime output. 15:53:33 Or does that not count as a reference? 15:53:36 garbage collector doesn't know about slime 15:53:42 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:53:46 Ooh, bad 15:54:14 So I could click on something in slime and it could have been gced out from under me? 15:54:27 tcr: i don't read asdf-devel 15:54:40 LiamH: that's right 15:55:44 as opposed to the symbolics where the listener output are objects and you have to clear history to get them to be gced. 15:56:10 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:56:20 |Soulman| [~kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 15:56:52 you can change presentations hashtable to a non-weak one, if you really want 15:57:25 stassats`: that sounds like what I'd prefer 15:57:37 but then you will have "why my objects aren't GC'ed" 15:57:59 -!- Soulman [~kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:01 which is why you need a "clear output history" command 15:58:12 -!- zoe_ [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:22 there actually is 15:58:29 it seems wrong to be able to reference non-existent objects 15:58:51 as you see you can't reference them 15:59:05 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 15:59:20 well, right, but it'd be nice to at least know which are the ones I can't reference anymore 15:59:34 just try to right-click 15:59:52 aha! nice 16:00:16 mik8y [~user@112.154.21.142] has joined #lisp 16:00:35 I don't think the situation is perfect, might make sense to base the decision to GC on time 16:00:57 or have it user customizable 16:01:27 I like the idea of making output presentation that is still accessible by scrolling back a reference. I guess based on my habits from the symbolics. 16:01:34 I actually wrote a patch which installs a timer on the Emacs side to periodically look which presentations are gone, and auto-update the repl buffer 16:01:47 most of the time i don't want them to be referenced, if i need an object to stick i just use a variable 16:01:55 yup me2 16:01:57 tcr: that sounds worthwhile 16:02:27 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 16:02:28 stassats`: yes, but sometimes I forget to bind a variable, and I want to scroll back and click it in. 16:03:25 -!- mik8y [~user@112.154.21.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:35 unfortunately, there is no DWIM in Slime yet 16:03:55 tcr: when your patch does the update, does the appearance change (i.e., no longer red)? 16:03:58 It might make more sense: to get rid of the weak hash-tables; attach time to presentations, install a timer which at a customizable time clears presentations 16:04:03 yeah 16:04:18 tcr: nice 16:04:33 I can't remember how slow it was on large repl buffers 16:05:02 tcr: I guess that might be an issue. 16:05:14 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-43-82-249-170-125.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:05:15 particularly if the buffer gets very long 16:06:11 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:12:58 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 16:13:30 Instead of doing it on a timer, you could have it check whether the object exists when you attempt to click on it, like a right click now. If it doesn't, change it from red to black on the spot. That way there isn't a lot of (potentially unnecessary) checking and clearing of presentations, but the user isn't surprised by a non-existent object. 16:14:55 uhm that's how it's no? 16:15:02 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 16:15:44 tcr: ? 16:16:15 that's how it is now, isn't it? 16:16:49 maden [~maden@modemcable136.252-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:16:57 That it changes the color of a non-existent object when you click on it? Not for me, but my version of slime is old. 16:17:18 i seem remember that in the past, but it's not doing that now 16:17:44 it does it for me 16:17:45 This is my version of slime: SLIME 2008-02-23 16:17:59 that's almost as old as genera 16:18:02 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A7C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:18:10 ha ha. Debian stable. 16:18:29 Gotta get clbuild set up, quick :-) 16:18:39 I do, on my other computer. 16:19:11 If it were genera, that first digit would be different. 16:19:19 tcr:  < tcr> that's almost as old as genera ouch xD 16:19:22 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-54-82-251-95-149.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:34 LiamH: In terms of SLIME, I think it is old enough in comparison :D 16:19:40 tcr: i can't find that in the code at the first glance 16:19:41 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:20:12 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:02 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 16:23:10 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:23:12 tcr: it's only doing that when you right-click on it, not when copying to the prompt 16:23:38 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 16:24:04 Oh I misread what LiamH said 16:24:25 I agree it should do that on middle-click, to 16:24:27 too 16:25:16 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 16:26:02 htk_ [~htk___@unaffiliated/htk-/x-9867211] has joined #lisp 16:26:32 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.141] has joined #lisp 16:28:01 -!- fihi09``` [~user@pool-96-224-39-41.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:28:51 -!- htk__ [~htk___@95.65.241.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:29:35 merl15_ [~merl@188-22-30-173.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 16:32:17 fihi09``` [~user@pool-96-224-46-250.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:19 sbahra [~sbahra@2002:62da:45b3:1234:21d:e0ff:fe00:f7ab] has joined #lisp 16:32:38 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 16:32:51 -!- merl15__ [~merl@188-22-165-194.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33:58 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34:13 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:34:19 bigjust` [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:06 -!- bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:37:35 ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 16:37:57 hello 16:40:18 -!- Jabberwock [~jens@port-15803.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:33 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:41:13 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:42:11 mrSpec pasted "html parse" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97604 16:42:22 Hello, I'm starting with parsing html. 16:43:01 could you take a look and say if I can make this function shorter? 16:44:05 mrSpec: with something like xpath (e.g. plexipus). The SAX interface is pretty well suited to the processing you're doing, though. 16:44:05 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:46 pkhuong: xpath, ok, I'll take a look 16:45:16 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 16:45:31 this do-recursively is awful after few levels 16:48:51 mik8y [~user@112.154.21.142] has joined #lisp 16:49:10 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:21 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 16:50:43 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:23 adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:26 -!- xenosoz2 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:57:12 fisxoj [~fisxoj@gw-fr-vauban.inka-online.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:36 xenosoz2 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 16:58:37 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 16:59:31 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:02:33 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 17:03:41 -!- mik8y [~user@112.154.21.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:14 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 17:06:20 anyone here some experience how much RAM it takes for clisp? building dies here with "ot enough memory for Lisp." 17:06:29 that is a 512 meg kvm 17:07:00 christoph_debian: possibly build it elsewhere and then put it on the target machine? 17:07:18 or just use a binary, assuming there's one available for the platform 17:07:35 nope unfortunately no binaries 17:07:55 what is the platform? 17:08:05 the host as 2GiB just trying to figure out if it's indeed too few ram, could of course increase a bit more for the virtual machine 17:08:15 rsynnott: GNU/kFreeBSD 17:12:06 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@77-233-95-4.televork.ee] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:12:19 -!- Edward [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-31-61.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12:26 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:13:38 -!- wvdschel [~wim@d5153E2B8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 17:14:05 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.141] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:16:00 Phoodus [foo@174-26-247-120.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:05 saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:17 milanj [~milan@93.87.248.177] has joined #lisp 17:22:47 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 17:26:33 Edward [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-69-149.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:29:47 wvdschel [~wim@78-20-14-180.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:30:17 alama [~alama@a95-95-128-109.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 17:30:18 -!- bigjust` [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:05 seamus-android [~alistair@host86-178-140-209.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:34:00 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-250-56.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 17:43:19 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 17:47:01 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:52:09 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:54:08 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 17:56:16 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-252-170-201.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:51 Snaker [~user@p57A8CC4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:00 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 18:02:45 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 18:02:50 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:18 Does Plexippus XPath work with chtml:parse? or only with cxml:parse? 18:03:57 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 18:05:18 mrSpec: the parser doesn't matter; what matters is the sink that'll generate an output from the parsed document. 18:05:48 plexippus works with stp, so you just have to pass an stp builder to whichever parsing function you need. 18:07:13 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:21 pkhuong: ah, ok 18:07:23 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:33 -!- pemryan [~pem@2001:cc0:201e:107:221:86ff:fe1a:e5aa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:40 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 18:15:51 mrSpec annotated #97604 "chtml and xpath" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97604#1 18:16:29 pkhuong: could you tell me what is wrong? If I change chtml:parse to cxml:parse it works... 18:16:51 but I cant use cxml to parse "my" website. 18:17:11 daniel___ [~daniel@p5082B7F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:41 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082B998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:20:10 suczker [~sucker@gw-sitel.spojovaci.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:00 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 18:23:18 rares [~rares@174-26-92-226.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:12 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-92-226.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 18:29:39 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:32 ralcantara [~quassel@212.225.176.9] has joined #lisp 18:35:27 -!- ralcantara [~quassel@212.225.176.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:12 -!- suczker [~sucker@gw-sitel.spojovaci.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:21 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:42:01 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279441042.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 18:43:39 amaron_ [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 18:48:22 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 18:48:37 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49:02 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 18:52:24 rares [~rares@174-26-92-226.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:12 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-93.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:45 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-20-241.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:19 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:38 christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:37 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:01:54 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 19:02:47 francogrex [~user@89.143-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:06:44 what is the most straightforward way to update values within a string something like that: (let ((i 10) (j 25)) (unknown-func (r%-parse-eval "Rvector <- c(i,j)"))) ? 19:07:56 nsubstitute 19:08:12 eh :-) not really 19:08:37 <_3b`> cl-interpol maybe? 19:08:52 cl-ppcre perhaps; but really it seems like you ought to introduce a structure on top of your final string output 19:08:58 *_3b`* is just guessing what you mean though 19:09:10 the best way is to not do that... 19:09:12 ok guys, i'll explain the reason; 19:09:39 pkhuong: you probably know what is rcl: connect r to ecl 19:09:46 to cl i mean 19:09:51 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 19:10:08 -!- amaron_ [~amaron@cable-188-2-21-124.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:10:23 but why not do that? 19:11:11 -!- alama [~alama@a95-95-128-109.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 19:12:12 you're hiding structure in strings and then trying to recover it. 19:12:18 it would be good to use returned cl values to pass to r functions for example 19:15:15 does the protocol expect strings? 19:25:47 Fade: well the function that works best needs it's arg as string 19:27:38 dnolen [~dnolen@pool-71-247-98-214.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:51 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@85.125.182.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:28:25 you can have variations like: (r "print" (r% "cbind" (r% "seq" 5 50) (r% "seq" 50 95))) 19:28:40 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 19:29:08 where lisp data are passed easier, but those methods are restricted to few possibilities (within R itself) 19:30:02 tcr: maybe cl-ppcre can help 19:30:07 I'll try 19:31:07 kwinz3 [~kwinz@mk093111116009.a1.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:45 carlocci [~nes@93.37.195.15] has joined #lisp 19:39:10 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 19:39:54 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-133-46.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 19:45:29 Axius [~hi@92.84.28.191] has joined #lisp 19:45:42 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc-away 19:45:49 -!- marioxcc-away is now known as marioxcc-off 19:45:59 -!- marioxcc-off is now known as marioxcc-busy 19:46:03 -!- marioxcc-busy is now known as marioxcc 19:47:40 ppcre is pretty kick arse 19:47:48 -!- bytecolo` is now known as bytecolor 19:48:49 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:19 -!- Axius [~hi@92.84.28.191] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55:28 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:57 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:37 alama [~alama@a95-95-128-109.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 20:03:08 adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:18 bytecolor: If you are into regular expressions, yes, but already indicates a problem. 20:08:46 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 20:10:00 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:10:29 i'm having trouble getting the output (standard out, standard error) from sbcl's sb-ext:run-program 20:11:04 how can i get the standard output from, say, the result of (sb-ext:run-program "uname" '("-a"))? 20:11:14 something like (nsubstitute #\5 #\i "c(i, j)") is ok; but what is it's 125.67 instead of 10 etc... i'm not even sure ppcre will do that 20:11:52 alama: call run-programm with :output set to :stream 20:12:05 <_3b`> minion: tell francogrex about cl-interpol 20:12:05 francogrex: have a look at cl-interpol: CL-INTERPOL modifies the reader so that you can have interpolation of strings similar to Perl or Unix Shell scripts. http://www.cliki.net/cl-interpol 20:12:16 <_3b`> clhs format 20:12:16 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_format.htm 20:12:19 alama: or, (with-output-to-string (string) (sb-ext:run-program...)) 20:12:22 <_3b`> francogrex: or use that ^ :) 20:12:32 alama: then you can access the process' stdio as PROGRAM-OUTPUT 20:12:34 -!- bipt [~bpt@cl-851.chi-02.us.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13:51 ost: thanks -- PROCESS-OUTPUT gives me an instance of FD-STREAM 20:13:58 how can i grab the contents of the stream? 20:14:08 chrisfr [~chrisf@24-107-120-7.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:14:50 sav [~sav@189001136087.usr.predialnet.com.br] has joined #lisp 20:14:50 gz_ [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:15:58 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:39 alama: read, read-byte, read-sequence, read-char 20:16:48 alama: read-line. maybe some i missed. 20:17:38 alama: sorry, I forgot to include ":output stream" on sb-ext:run-program 20:17:55 egn: ah, thanks 20:18:52 Xach: cool, thanks 20:19:57 i'm not sure i understand yet -- i eval (setf out (sb-ext:process-output (sb-ext:run-program "uname" '("-a") :output :stream))), but then (read-char out) gives an EOF error 20:20:26 that's unexpected; i expect a line of text to be available 20:21:09 -!- fy__ [~AndChat@250.sub-72-121-89.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:21:27 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-245-67.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:22:19 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:23:02 <_3b`> :search t ? 20:23:23 <_3b`> or maybe "/bin/uname" 20:24:14 _3b: that did it -- thanks! 20:24:25 i assumed it was searching my path 20:24:57 d'oh: Look for `program' in each of the directories in the child's 20:24:58 $PATH environment variable. 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21:55:47 (C-heap allocation) 21:59:44 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 22:00:55 rvirding [~chatzilla@h80n1c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:14 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@pool-71-247-98-214.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 22:08:10 anair_84 [~anair_84@ip68-108-251-45.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:18 Aisling [ash@blk-222-192-36.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 22:14:36 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.14/2009090900]] 22:14:57 -!- sav [~sav@189001136087.usr.predialnet.com.br] has left #lisp 22:15:05 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15:51 *pkhuong* gives up... too much trouble for my hack (although it'd probably be a good idea) 22:18:29 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:26 -!- gz_ [Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 22:24:22 -!- gz_ [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:36 pkhuong: Sorry, been afk for the past day and a half or so. 22:25:22 pkhuong: As far as C heap allocation goes, there's some mechanism involving with-alien for it, or perhaps something with the c-string stuff for unicode systems? 22:25:27 -!- slash_ [~Unknown@whgeh0250.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:26:44 -!- palter [palter@clozure-78A0C567.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 22:26:44 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 22:27:55 slash_ [~Unknown@whgeh0250.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 22:28:20 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:27 -!- |Soulman| [~kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server...] 22:32:15 Soulman [~kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 22:33:57 johnzorn [~jz@206-248-152-254.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:35:25 I ran a function in the slime REPL and it seems to be a runaway process and is not quitting. Is there something like the ctrl-c in unix to terminate the execution. I tried C-g 22:36:11 <_3b`> C-c C-c, or C-c C-b depending on context 22:36:49 <_3b`> first for repl, 2nd for lisp buffers in slime mode 22:37:11 ok thanks that worked 22:41:13 nyef: I thought that'd be useful, but it seems we instead allocate temporaries on the lisp heap and pin them (instead of the original) 22:41:24 Ah. 22:41:39 sykopomp` [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:41:50 Still, the with-alien thing might be a starting point. I -know- there's a malloc call somewhere in that mess. 22:42:24 Umm... Actually, that's about right. Have the deport routine do your allocation, maybe? Not sure about free, though. 22:42:34 -!- sykopomp [~user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:42:35 right, but then I can't free. 22:42:37 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 22:42:40 -!- Edward [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-22-52.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:46 with-alien does paired allocation 22:42:54 (Clearly, we need to do something about the documentation for sb-alien hacking.) 22:43:07 but I still have to deport. 22:43:37 I could do in-place deporting in deposit, I guess. 22:44:22 Hrm... You have deport-alloc-gen... 22:44:36 that's not what it sounds like. 22:44:51 The idea is that you deport-alloc-gen -> pin -> deport. 22:44:56 Right. 22:45:11 It's just a pre-pinning allocation. 22:45:57 Use a with-alien form, then? 22:46:25 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:29 The usual thing is to define an inlined wrapper function anyway, right? 22:46:44 The best I can come up is a with-alien and error out on deporting, and then it doesn't seem worth the trouble. 22:47:02 right, I'm just cooking up a single-purpose macro now. 22:47:11 Fair enough. 22:47:39 It seems like it's horribly rare for anyone to try and define their own alien types. 22:47:50 Well, beyond the usual structure types. 22:47:56 same for CL types :) 22:48:49 Yeah. Still a guide to defining an alien-type-class would probably not go entirely amiss, even if it's for the benefit of maybe five people... 22:51:59 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:52:35 amaron [~amaron@cable-188-2-212-176.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 22:54:35 Azuvix [~user@174-19-224-247.bois.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:37 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:55:01 I just had a "curiosity" type question. What kind of interface did old Lisp machines use? 22:55:01 Azuvix, memo from chandler: if you're interested, I've plopped a PPC binary of PLT 4.2.5 at http://unmutual.info/content/binaries/plt-4.2.5-linux-ppc.tgz 22:55:26 May the programming gods bless chandler. 22:55:37 saikat [~saikat@66.201.44.122] has joined #lisp 22:56:12 Azuvix: Have a look for some LispM emulators and try them out? 22:56:46 There's a CADR emulator, a couple of Explorer emulators, and there's some version of the Virtual Lisp Machine that you might be able to get running... 22:57:05 To Google! :) 22:57:13 But, really, you had a command line and you had emacs. 22:57:56 *nyef* never did manage to figure out precisely what was going on with popj-14 in nevermore. 22:58:09 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@c-69-136-131-100.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 22:58:14 How about in Genera? It looked like tiling or something. 22:59:58 -!- phf [~user@pool-98-114-155-8.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:00:02 Yeah, I know, don't speak of proprietary code... lol 23:00:11 why doesn't in-package evaluate its argument? 23:00:20 i want to do (in-package (myfunc)) 23:00:20 phf [~user@pool-98-114-155-8.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:35 dto: bind/set *package*. 23:00:45 oh. 23:12:29 nyef: there are some patches to get VLM2 working properly on linux after changes that stopped the snap4 port from working. 23:16:52 Sure, sure. I'm just saying, it'll probably take a bit of work, that's all. 23:17:37 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:23 nyef: well, the main issue apparently was some slight ABI changes in Xlib 23:19:48 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-184-232.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:20:41 since snap4 was basically VLM2 mangled from Alpha binary to C source by a CL app then compiled for linux (AFAIK), it wasn't exactly immune to such changes.. 23:22:38 _8david` [~user@pD9540CDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:25:03 -!- _8david [~user@pD9543703.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:25:34 -!- phf [~user@pool-98-114-155-8.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:55 fatblueduck [~duck@pool-71-104-235-97.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:21 phf [~user@pool-98-114-155-8.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:26 mizai [~matthew@164.107.202.12] has joined #lisp 23:28:58 fatblueduck pasted "recursion or loop?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/97623 23:29:34 I've made a recursive function and a loop that both do the same thing 23:29:49 and I'm wondering which method is preferred for lisp... 23:30:42 is there a reason to avoid using loop? 23:33:33 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:41 christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:25 -!- alama [~alama@a95-95-128-109.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 23:37:56 <_3b> fatblueduck: i'd use LOOP over either of those 23:38:51 Kyril [~RogerBaco@bas3-sherbrooke-1279324866.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:38:55 <_3b> fatblueduck: if you are going to use recursion for iteration, at least do it functionally instead of SETFing a bunch of random variables (hopefully those are at least local vars in some enclosing scope?) 23:39:26 <_3b> fatblueduck: or maybe you meant LET instead of some of those SETFs, not sure 23:39:57 fiveop [~fiveop@189.60.103.189] has joined #lisp 23:40:40 <_3b> fatblueduck: and don't use EQ for numbers, use = or EQL 23:40:51 _3b: thank you I did not recognize that problem... I will use LET and EQL 23:41:04 _3b: and I'll try employing a LOOP 23:41:08 <_3b> fatblueduck: and use WHEN or UNLESS instead of IF with only 1 branch 23:41:33 -!- Azuvix [~user@174-19-224-247.bois.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:29 _3b: thank you 23:43:10 *_3b* would also spell out the whole word for those functions you pass waveobj to 23:43:40 <_3b> and i don't think you need that progn 23:44:06 _3b: waveobj is an object and the 'parameters' are the accessors for the waveobj variables 23:45:10 _3b: I will change the names 23:51:56 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@mk093111116009.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:52:50 -!- schoppenhauer [~css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:06 -!- daniel___ is now known as daniel 23:55:05 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-92-226.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:56:17 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.168.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:37 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@h80n1c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 23:57:57 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7569b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]