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joined #lisp 00:16:09 KimoOta [~tom@75.142.71.123] has joined #lisp 00:18:33 How do I get rid of all the "ABORT :R39 Abort debug loop" in the clisp prompt? 00:19:38 dnolen [~dnolen@pool-71-247-120-94.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:20:16 KimoOta: what do you mean? 00:20:56 you don't want such restart? 00:21:10 is there a way to clear all of them? 00:21:29 select the right restart 00:21:32 Probably :r1 00:21:45 jrockway [~jrockway@stonepath.jrock.us] has joined #lisp 00:22:02 No,that just adds more restarts to the list... 00:22:29 sounds like you're already at the debug prompt, and continuing to work from there, building up a stack of debug environments 00:22:44 is that not where I want to be? 00:22:48 KimoOta: select the one which says "Abort main loop" 00:23:11 KimoOta: you want to be at the REPL 00:23:16 Ah, got it, thanks 00:24:50 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:01 you can also use :q shortcut 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[~alexsurac@32.168.103.156] has quit [Quit: alexsuraci_] 03:30:36 clim make-space-requirement 03:30:36 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/29-3.html#_1649 03:31:10 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 03:35:52 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@119.224.32.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:36:53 -!- bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:42:15 tjw_ [~tijwel@c-71-56-219-137.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:06 -!- tjw_ [~tijwel@c-71-56-219-137.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #lisp 03:43:09 is it possible to change the external-format of a stream after it has been opened? 03:43:22 Depends on the implementation. 03:43:38 sbcl? 03:45:13 ... Maybe? 03:45:16 aquateen [~chris@c-24-18-15-69.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:46:34 skv [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:23 ah, think I need flexi-streams 03:55:04 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 03:57:16 adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:31 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 04:04:23 dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:08:58 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-30-61.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:47 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:16:22 -!- dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:17:00 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 04:18:31 -!- Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@131.104.9.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:18:32 ... Can someone please explain what on earth space-requirement-+ is for in CLIM? 04:19:45 I can -somewhat- see the point of space-requirement-+*, as you specify the slots to be modified, but... 04:21:01 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:22:12 ... Nevermind. 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#lisp 08:33:34 Good morning! 08:33:38 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:40 hello spiaggia 08:34:16 dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:36:42 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@12.187.12.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:37:18 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:38:39 Demosthenes [~demo@12.187.12.230] has joined #lisp 08:38:54 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-143-127.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:40:45 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:43:01 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 08:44:10 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:46:02 dcibiel: welcome on #lisp! 08:46:46 mega1 [~quassel@pool-02fd0.externet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:48:11 dcibiel: colleague of yours? 08:48:19 er, mvilleneuve 08:48:54 spiaggia: yes, he's our new teammate 08:49:47 and he'll probably be a brilliant lisper pretty soon 08:50:24 Hi everyone, What is the best tutorial for using slime with sbcl? Specifically, I want to know to set up for a large project. I need an overall view. 08:50:56 set up for several people to use? or what do you mean "for a large project"? 08:52:14 tcr, no. Just one programmer (me). But lots of files and packages. 08:52:20 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:53:01 I don't think there's anything special to know. Use ASDF, and put (slime-setup '(slime-fancy slime-asdf)) into your .emacs 08:55:29 lat_: I would also use :serial t in your .asd files 08:56:49 -!- spiaggia [~user@armadillo.labri.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:56:58 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:57:05 spiaggia [~user@armadillo.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 08:57:30 tcr and meta_, ok, thanks. Is there a tutorial that gives a good overview of slime? 08:57:56 Tonijz [~Tonijz@85.254.194.65] has joined #lisp 08:58:22 lat_: slime isn't really a 'project management' helper 08:58:45 There's the manual, there's my blog at trittweiler.blogspot.com, and there's http://common-lisp.net/~trittweiler/talks/slime-talk-2008.pdf 08:58:46 lat_: but check out the SLIME website if you need to know what it can do 08:59:23 slime's quickly moving target, so lots of information you read about may be slightly out-of-date. In case you wonder, just ask questions here. 08:59:40 meta_: The slime-asdf contrib contains some project managements tools. 09:00:35 tcr: interesting, will take a look 09:01:16 -!- meta_ is now known as etate 09:01:34 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 09:01:49 You can also say what you miss to stassats, or me, if sounds like something one of us might use, too, we may implement it 09:06:33 wvdschel [~wim@d51A4A9BC.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 09:06:36 mvilleneuve: Are you able to do svn co https://services.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr/projet/svn/stamp2010 09:06:50 mvilleneuve: (this the code for Stamp that the group has created so far) 09:09:19 tcr and meta_, thanks again. I'll check those thing out. 09:09:46 Best thing is if you read and at the same time try out 09:10:50 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:10:56 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 09:11:22 hlavaty [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:14:22 spiaggia: yes, it works. Cool! 09:15:02 hc_e [~hc@pdpc/supporter/active/hc-e] has joined #lisp 09:16:14 -!- varjagg is now known as varjag 09:19:25 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:19:31 I haven't looked at it yet, and I am meeting with the group today or tomorrow. So if you have any opinions about it, please let me know! 09:20:59 spiaggia: OK 09:21:09 -!- potatishandlarn [~potatisha@79.102.11.235] has quit [] 09:22:45 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@85.253.73.75.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 09:28:32 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-110-101.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 09:31:43 hlavaty` [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:33:43 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:40:53 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 09:40:59 hmm, can someone point me to thread mailbox documentation in SBCL 09:41:21 cant find it :( 09:43:09 there's no mailbox implementation yet part of sbcl 09:43:16 -!- bee [~bee@222.253.104.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:44:00 o noes, not mutexes n locks 09:44:18 http://github.com/nikodemus/sb-mailbox 09:44:48 maus [~maus@222.253.104.227] has joined #lisp 09:45:03 nice, does that actually work? :D 09:45:35 yes, it's a mostly straightforward exercise 09:45:47 I'm going to make that part of sbcl proper later today, or perhaps tomorrow 09:45:57 -!- maus [~maus@222.253.104.227] has quit [Client Quit] 09:46:07 zomg ultimate power you have? 09:46:26 :) 09:46:58 maus [~maus@222.253.104.227] has joined #lisp 09:47:01 vng [~user@222.253.104.227] has joined #lisp 09:47:08 Good afternoon! 09:47:23 I'm just a minion of the gods 09:47:28 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181150041.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:50:36 -!- lukjad007 is now known as lukjad86 09:50:40 tcr: so using this sb-mailbox implementation you just define a mailbox outside of a thread or in it? 09:51:14 how can I upload my files to cl.net using git? 09:51:37 maus: depends on the project you are contributing to 09:52:12 etate: sb-mailbox objects are not attached to threads -- multiple threads can read/write from/to a single mailbox 09:53:09 nikodemus: o so they are like little atomic containers? sounds cool 09:53:13 nikodemus: can you explain more details? 09:53:35 vng: about what? 09:53:48 vng: http://github.com/nikodemus/sb-mailbox/blob/master/sb-mailbox.lisp 09:53:51 nikodemus: about upload code to cl.net using git 09:54:11 "depends on the project" 09:54:23 nikodemus: Sudoku 09:54:45 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-58-218.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:55:02 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-161-49.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:04 spiaggia: ya! 09:55:24 hello spiaggia 09:55:28 hey 09:55:30 tcr: so there will be a new release today with sb-mailbox included or did you mean you'll add it to the latest svn? 09:55:39 hi spiaggia! 09:56:13 etate: SBCL is in freeze right now, there'll be a new release at the weekend; it can go in after the freeze 09:56:14 1. set up the clnet repo as a remote: git remote add origin your-clnet-username@common-lisp.net:/path/to/sudoku.git 09:56:16 vng: From the #lisp logs: 10.02.02:03:13:43 spiaggia: put it in /project//public_html/git/.git 09:56:16 09:56:28 2. git push origin master 09:56:28 vng: You just upload it with scp. 09:56:41 etate: sbcl has a mostly-strict release-per-month schedule 09:56:51 tcr: what does 'freeze' mean? 09:57:01 is it a new repo you're making? 09:57:06 *spiaggia* leaves for a workgroup meeting 09:57:11 etate: nothing except fixes for regression may be comitted 09:57:50 tcr: ah I see 09:57:52 if you're making the repository _do_not_ upload your local one with scp 09:58:16 you're just going to get permissions wrong, etc 09:58:27 tcr: has much discussion gone on into the inclusion of epoll to sbcl? (i can't remember the name of the function that does it atm but it uses select afaik) 09:58:50 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-184-36.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58:58 serve-all-events maybe? 09:59:24 nikodemus, spiaggia: But it report the error: fatal: '/project/sudoku/public_html/git/sudoku.git': unable to chdir or not a git archive 09:59:26 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly 09:59:27 09:59:47 on common-lisp.net: cd /project//public_html/git; git init --bare --shared=group 09:59:47 etate: I think iolib comes with an epoll interface 10:00:14 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:00:32 tcr: yeah i have my own epoll interface too but i'm thinking of the I/O scheduler mainly 10:00:36 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-184-36.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 10:00:39 nikodemus: let me try it again 10:00:43 nikodemus: thank you! 10:00:51 vng: wait! 10:00:52 wait! 10:00:53 nikodemus, thank you! 10:01:26 i mistyped: you want to first "mkdir sudoku.git" and do "git init" as above there 10:02:03 if you already did it in /project//public_html/git, go back there and rm -rf .git 10:02:46 <_3b> use git init --bare 10:03:13 _3b: --shared=group is even more important 10:03:32 <_3b> ah, sorry, missed the full line earlier 10:03:38 nikodemus: ya 10:04:08 after you have the repo set up on clnet right, steps 1&2 on the local machine should finish you up 10:04:30 btw which version was sb-queue added? 10:04:31 that is "1. set up the clnet repo as a remote" and the next one 10:04:48 plage [~user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 10:05:24 nikodemus, _3b: yes, thank you! 10:05:42 gozek [~quassel@85.52.166.111] has joined #lisp 10:05:48 etate: check in NEWS or commit logs 10:06:42 ah 1.0.30 ... hmm someone should update the default sbcl on debian 10:07:33 oh no, the problem is there is no newer release than 1.0.29 on amd64 platforms hmmz 10:07:52 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:00 etate: building sbcl from sources is dead easy 10:08:01 pjb [~t@81.202.18.80.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:08:08 if i compile a new version from source on amd64 will it 'just work'? 10:08:18 use the upstream version and be liberated from the debian jail 10:08:23 yes 10:08:43 awesome, thanks 10:08:49 well, it _should_ "just work" 10:09:04 famous last words... :) 10:09:16 though if you have debians common-lisp-controller around, i expect trouble 10:09:22 it does "just work" 10:10:02 myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 10:11:26 for me, even with common-lisp-controller installed 10:11:54 maybe things have improved with clc 10:12:02 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:12:18 the :xref-sbcl-internals feature allows you to for example M-. on #'+ or is it more internal than that? 10:12:39 M-. on + works always 10:12:49 it allows you to M-_ on it though 10:13:13 xref refers to who-calls, etc 10:13:32 so its pretty useful to have i imagine 10:14:03 sure pretty handy to browse sbcl sources 10:14:40 i've just always been able to browse the sources with M-. so I don't see what xref-sbcl-internals really does but i guess i'll find out with M-_ :) 10:14:43 if you're not hacking sbcl itself you are unlikely to need it except for the fun-value 10:15:33 nikodemus: sure but i reckon i'll need to hack SBCL at some point 10:15:39 etate: M-_ will show you the places a function is used 10:16:17 you can often only understand the purpose of a function or its working if you consider how and where it's used 10:17:49 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:18:31 tcr: indeed, and in fact last time i was looking at the VOPs it looked pretty cool how you can do asm in lisp :) 10:19:37 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 10:21:37 btw I keep on saying M-_ because that's I'm using as I'm on qwertz; for qwerty it's M-? 10:22:58 tcr: what keyboard is qwertz? 10:24:01 de 10:24:49 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 10:25:55 fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has joined #lisp 10:28:01 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:28:33 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has joined #lisp 10:34:27 bb_oz [~benbos67@CPE-124-186-84-162.lns9.woo.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:34:36 sz0 [~user@94.54.200.109] has joined #lisp 10:34:54 -!- bb_oz [~benbos67@CPE-124-186-84-162.lns9.woo.bigpond.net.au] has left #lisp 10:36:04 -!- saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: saikat] 10:38:56 saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:40:19 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:43:49 nikodemus: after running command: git init --bare --shared=group. I add file using: git add . It raises error: fatal: This operation must be run in a work tree 10:44:03 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:45:13 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.29.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:37 free_thinker [~willijar@134.151.144.246] has joined #lisp 10:46:39 that is supposed to be run on the server, if i'm correct 10:46:54 yes 10:47:19 bleh pasted "bleh" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96867 10:47:21 so you have to have two kinds of repositories. 1) the regular one you use to develop and 2) the one you push to 10:47:44 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:58 maden [~maden@dsl-148-144.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 10:49:05 -!- plage [~user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has left #lisp 10:49:25 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.64.140] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:53:13 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BEA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:54:30 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:25 -!- dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:57:23 guaqua: in git all repos are equal 10:57:27 nikodemus pasted "git baby steps" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96868 10:57:31 you can push to any repo 10:58:00 vng: read that paste 10:58:42 -!- mega1 [~quassel@pool-02fd0.externet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:58:47 -!- maden [~maden@dsl-148-144.aei.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:49 bozhidar: okay. why do you need bare repos, then? 10:59:40 bare repo is one without a working tree -- because you don't need a working tree in a shared repo since no-one should be working there 10:59:43 <_3b> you don't /need/ one, it just saves space and avoids the confusion pushing to a work repo tends to cause 10:59:46 what i mean is, is there an actual usability reason or is this the issue purely technical? 11:00:07 so it is an optimization 11:00:25 and avoids confusion 11:00:41 nikodemus: many thanks! 11:00:51 or creates it, but that issue can be debated 11:02:48 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 11:04:06 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:20 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-clohizbpqanmigwd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:08 attila pasted "gc invariant lost when starting sbcl from an image?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96869 11:06:24 any hints why i get this error? 11:06:34 maybe something is wrong with $LANG? 11:07:22 *attila_lendvai* pokes nikodemus 11:08:30 -!- sobersabre [~bilbo@85.64.38.222.dynamic.barak-online.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:08:52 the line in gencgc.c is: gc_assert(0 == page_table[first_page].bytes_used); 11:15:14 is that a vanilla sbcl? 11:15:29 the page table has been corrupted somehow 11:21:49 this is a slightly patched sbcl, but i try with vanilla now 11:27:50 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 11:28:54 hello 11:28:59 someone with the sbcl commit bit... run-sbcl.sh: - echo "(running SBCL from: `pwd`)" 11:28:59 + echo "(running SBCL from: '$BASE')" 11:29:07 hello fe[nl]ix 11:29:15 hi attila_lendvai :) 11:32:12 -!- dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:34:11 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:53 nikodemus, same happened with vanilla sbcl 1.0.36.38 11:36:17 any hints how to debug this? maybe it's some error due to save-lisp-and-die? 11:38:28 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:38:50 i'll cook up a patch with some debugging output 11:43:25 hmm when making SBCL i get an error: time not found 11:44:23 etate: install time 11:44:25 hmm never mind 11:44:26 :D 11:44:27 nikodemus, weird, seems like re-building the image the same way, only loading everythign from .fasl's produces a workind image. but i double-check now 11:44:27 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-7-172.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 11:44:28 *levente_meszaros* prays god somebody renamed it 11:44:47 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@122-57-7-172.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:45:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 11:45:36 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:45:46 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has joined #lisp 11:46:57 -!- wvdschel [~wim@d51A4A9BC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.2/20100316074819]] 11:48:08 nikodemus, yep. building the image from the compiled .fasl's makes the error go away. now i'll try with some sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 11:48:39 ...although i doubt that will help, because not much user code runes while building the image 11:51:12 nikodemus: thank you! we've done it. 11:51:15 I could reproduce this 11:51:27 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@122-57-7-172.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52:06 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-66-36.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 11:53:42 nikodemus: our project has not been finished yet. But you can visit the repository and give us advices. 11:54:01 nikodemus: thanks again! 11:54:16 Krystof [~csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:55:51 ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has joined #lisp 11:57:27 nikodemus: loading sb-mailbox at the repl just makes SBCL stay in a pending state, is there any particular way I'm supposed to load it? 11:57:51 btw this is using a checkout version of SBCL 11:58:23 -!- maus [~maus@222.253.104.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58:49 etate, you mean sbcl ends up in a deadlock you can't break? if so, then that's due to some package issues that report an error and wants to bring up the debugger... 11:59:15 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-30-61.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:26 maus [~maus@222.253.104.227] has joined #lisp 11:59:34 attila_lendvai: yes thats precisely what happens 12:00:11 dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:00:28 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:01:04 attila_lendvai: yeah the error is that it can't find sb-queue hmm was i supposed to include that in *features* 12:01:58 attila_lendvai: and btw shouldn't this kind of error bring up a normal debugger with the package error rather than deadlock? :D 12:02:31 spiaggia, we have to leave now. 12:02:56 spiaggia, see you soon and have a good day! 12:03:09 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-66-36.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:25 -!- vng [~user@222.253.104.227] has quit [Quit: leave for going home] 12:03:40 -!- maus [~maus@222.253.104.227] has quit [Client Quit] 12:06:34 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@12.187.12.230] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:07:57 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 12:08:27 -!- brad` [~user@72.89.124.7] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:09:11 etate, https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/511072 12:11:18 j0be [~j0be@ke-works-1.starters.tudelft.nl] has joined #lisp 12:11:21 attila_lendvai: thank you 12:11:57 Q: how do I check if the parameter *par* exists at all (is defined). (boundp *par*) does not work. 12:12:30 (boundp '*par*) 12:12:46 stassats: ai... that could be indeed 12:12:53 do we have a cffi dev around? 12:13:19 tritchey [~tritchey@2002:62e2:51c2:0:226:4aff:fe01:c6e] has joined #lisp 12:13:49 fe[nl]ix was there an hour ago 12:14:06 levente_meszaros: I'm here 12:14:27 oh cool 12:14:41 fe[nl]ix, if you look at cffi:%do-load-foreign-library 12:14:59 there's a search path argument which it ignores when the library is a symbol 12:15:04 is that correct? 12:15:18 this prevents the following to work: (cffi:load-foreign-library 'hu.dwim.rdbms.oracle::oracle-oci :search-path (list #P"/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/client/lib/")) 12:15:25 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:16:00 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:17:19 nikodemus, do I have a chance to load a 32 bit library in sbcl when running on x86-64? 12:17:37 no 12:17:45 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:18:05 fe[nl]ix, no to what? 12:18:29 no to loading a 32bit library in a 64bit sbcl 12:19:59 ok, thanks, so much for oracle 12:20:37 just a moment 12:21:36 fe[nl]ix pasted "CFFI foreign-library patch" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96870 12:21:51 levente_meszaros: could you try that path ? I'm about to commit it 12:22:42 attila_lendvai: was that with sbcl.core, or a core containing your code as well? 12:24:11 fe[nl]ix, sorry I have to leave now for launch 12:25:00 you mean lunch ? 12:25:27 :D 12:25:36 hu.dwim.rocketry 12:25:46 hahaha 12:25:52 later :) 12:25:53 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 12:26:50 nikodemus, a core with around 100 libs 12:27:08 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 12:27:54 hmm... sb-queue needs to be (require :sb-queue)d to be loaded, is that normal behaviour? 12:28:26 etate: for a contrib, yes. 12:28:59 nikodemus, with (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'safety 3) it seems to produce the same sympthoms, which is fixed after rebuilding the core from .fasl's 12:29:56 etate, https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/393309 12:30:43 etate: since 1.0.33.25 you can use :depends-on SB-QUEUE in asdf systems 12:31:07 attila_lendvai: most curious 12:31:29 Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 12:32:41 nice, thanks :) 12:33:53 attila_lendvai: first iteration of debugging output patch in mail 12:37:36 -!- moshisushi [~henry@h-121-175.A254.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 12:38:14 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:38:30 *attila_lendvai* still waits for the mail to arrive 12:39:10 leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 12:40:13 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-23-0.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:40:56 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:41:26 *attila_lendvai* got the patch 12:41:41 clapautius [~me@188.26.53.79] has joined #lisp 12:42:18 it produces 2.6G of output for sbcl build itself, so be warned... 12:43:04 400 forints worth of disk space! 12:43:47 the idea is to see what page the complaint is about, and then grep the output for that page number 12:44:17 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-103-188.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 12:44:28 the possibly roundtrip another patch with even more output if that doesn't lead to enlightenment... 12:44:56 actually, now that i think of it, i should have written a function to sanity check the page table 12:45:16 or maybe there already is one, even 12:45:23 but now: lunch 12:55:29 *attila_lendvai* waits for the sbcl build to finish (meaning: stop printing loads of stuff) 12:55:40 *attila_lendvai* gets some food also 12:56:33 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:59:21 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 13:00:40 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:01:01 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:08 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.87.211] has joined #lisp 13:04:48 Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 13:05:34 -!- aquateen [~chris@c-24-18-15-69.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aquateen] 13:06:00 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:06:56 -!- Guest87447 [~pragma@blackshell.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:06:56 Guest87447 [~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842] has joined #lisp 13:06:58 -!- Guest87447 is now known as pragma_ 13:12:46 -!- pragma_ is now known as umopepisdn` 13:14:45 mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 13:14:46 aquateen [~chris@c-24-18-15-69.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:10 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:00 kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 13:23:50 rayservers [~sp@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 13:26:52 *attila_lendvai* still waits for the sbcl build 13:26:58 rswarbrick [rupert@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:27:10 -!- rswarbrick [rupert@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has left #lisp 13:28:08 nikodemus, any chance for some asserts that slow runtime down instead of producing this much output? 13:28:29 those could even be comitted with a switch to continionally compile 13:33:19 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 13:37:05 jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-4-254.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:48 Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 13:40:47 attila_lendvai_ [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 13:42:15 potatishandlarn [~potatisha@c-4f662a33-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 13:43:29 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 13:44:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:38 -!- sid__ [~sid@192.163.20.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:49:49 -!- hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:50:14 hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has joined #lisp 13:52:34 -!- attila_lendvai_ is now known as attila_lendvai 13:54:05 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:58:18 carlocci [~nes@93.37.196.187] has joined #lisp 13:59:20 mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:03:46 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:43 billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 14:05:43 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 14:05:43 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:05:52 attila_lendvai_: i have a patch that sanity checks the page-table, currently it is even slower 14:06:04 than the printfs, that is 14:07:14 -!- Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has quit [Quit: Switching to single-player mode.] 14:07:32 Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 14:07:54 i'm building a lighter-weight version now 14:08:27 i'll have to leave for a while, but in an hour i'll be around sporadically 14:11:07 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.87.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:48 i'll send you an alternative diagnostics patch once i have something 14:12:15 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-rmdfhgyrrhquiabo] has joined #lisp 14:12:20 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Quit: Odin-] 14:13:21 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 14:15:53 thanks! i stop pulling patches meanwhile not to scare this bug away... :) 14:16:36 kzar [~kzar@hardwick.demon.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:19:00 jdz [~jdz@85.254.211.133] has joined #lisp 14:19:51 holy shit 14:19:54 no scavenge function for object 0x0118df0e (widetag 0xe) 14:21:17 -!- kzar [~kzar@hardwick.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:21:40 tcr pasted "ldb backtrace" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96872 14:22:13 -!- xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:23:56 -!- gozek [~quassel@85.52.166.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:34 dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #lisp 14:27:43 tcr: attach in gdb and get the real widetag at that address. 14:28:20 The address might even be truncated on x86-64, so a backtrace will be useful. 14:29:39 -!- umopepisdn` [~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:31:57 G'morning all. 14:32:09 -!- sz0 [~user@94.54.200.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:47 good morning nyef 14:33:36 [[mark]] [~mark@unaffiliated/mark/x-957811] has joined #lisp 14:34:37 wow filtered-functions is an amazing extension to CLOS 14:34:59 morning nyef 14:35:49 So, last night I wrote and made-to-compile the space-requirements part of CLIM II 29.3.4 (layout protocol). Now I need to figure out how to test it. 14:36:11 transplant it into mcclim, ours sucks 14:36:23 Really? 14:36:41 It's mainly a holder object for six values and a couple things you can do with them. 14:36:44 well, okay, maybe not. *something* sucks. the layout panes, aybe. 14:36:52 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 14:38:58 I must admit, the annotation in the spec for make-space-requirement indicating a default of +fill+ for some value for some implementation (presumably McCLIM) worries me... As +fill+ then has to be a REAL. 14:39:09 umopepisdn` [~pragma@blackshell.com] has joined #lisp 14:39:37 -!- umopepisdn` is now known as Guest39927 14:39:40 blez [~hyper@ip-162-4-71-77.varnalan.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:01 yeah. I've given it no serious thought, but was never convinced that space requirement objects were the right thing. 14:40:40 They aren't -quite- the right thing. 14:40:51 Compare them to WM_NORMAL_HINTS. 14:40:58 (Or whatever it's called.) 14:41:20 The window-sizing hints used in X to tell a WM about how a window wants to be sized. 14:42:13 the increments and aspect ratio constraints are a nice touch. 14:42:26 Exactly. And space-requirements don't have that. 14:42:37 (They're a bit difficult to compose anyway, though. 14:43:06 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-241-90.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:43:20 It also took me a bit to figure out what on earth the use-case for space-requirement composition was. 14:43:41 (beach asked what I'd come up with, but after I'd gone to bed.) 14:45:10 nyef pasted "space-requirement-combine (untested)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96873 14:46:22 And the defaults for make-space-requirement come down to the simple way to implement space-requirement-+*. 14:49:06 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-rmdfhgyrrhquiabo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:49:08 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: gz] 14:49:49 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: gz] 14:50:20 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:50:43 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 14:50:51 tcr annotated #96872 "gdb backtrace" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96872#1 14:51:18 How do I get the real wide tag? 14:52:39 -!- Tonijz [~Tonijz@85.254.194.65] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:53:56 tcr: Look at the octet stored at address 0x0118df00 ? 14:54:27 just "print 0xfoo"? 14:54:37 Might be *0xfoo. 14:54:46 x/b 0xfoo or *0xfoo or something 14:56:01 tcr annotated #96872 "some gdb poking at the address" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96872#2 14:56:08 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 14:57:16 Wait, wait... Is 0e pointer or immediate lowtag? 14:57:57 Isn't that other-immediate-3-lowtag? 14:58:14 And widetag 0 isn't allocated. 14:58:15 x86-84 here fwiw 14:58:23 Oh, wait, that's not widetag 0... 14:59:56 Ah, right, widetags start -past- the lowtag limit. 15:00:07 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:00:40 Looks like it's trying to scav something that's unboxed, or you've got some sort of corruption going on. 15:01:14 I did C-c C-c on a in-memory compilation shortly before 15:01:46 mega1 [~quassel@3e44ace2.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 15:02:37 adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-241-90.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:22 -!- leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ] 15:04:53 sounds like it's been picking up some tricks from ECL 15:08:30 CyberGh0st [Eighties@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 15:08:40 -!- CyberGh0st [Eighties@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt] has left #lisp 15:09:21 :-) 15:10:23 wvdschel [~wim@d51A4A9BC.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 15:10:41 actually, it's reasonably reliable in SLIME lately, the strange thing is recently it's started regularly crashing in Linux running my app's build script, something I'd only seen before infrequently on win32 15:11:02 *hefner* has no idea how to track down an ECL memory corruption bug 15:11:44 -!- [[mark]] [~mark@unaffiliated/mark/x-957811] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:04 I played with using GCC's __thread for the ECL's process environment struct (which really needs to die, at least every single function shouldn't have to retrieve it) instead of pthread_getspecific, but (I guess) as a consequence of it being a shared library it wasn't the huge win that you'd see in a real executable (being able to retrieve it in one instruction) 15:17:48 Axius [~hi@92.82.84.56] has joined #lisp 15:18:09 ... space-requirement-+ seems to work, I guess space-requirements work. 15:18:48 -!- skv [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:19:01 chupish [~182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-wtuknehovdoddgko] has joined #lisp 15:22:45 hrm most of the pthread_ stuff is implemented in assembly in glibc 15:23:23 makes sense, given the nature of thread switching; libtask is implemented in a similar way 15:23:44 the ecl_process_env thing is really maddening. if you ever profile an ECL, that and related crap is always at the top of the list. 15:23:56 heh 15:25:23 the other morning I hacked it to not use -fPIC when it's compiling code that's going into an executable instead of a shared object. shrunk the executable a little, but I didn't bother to put together any kind of benchmark. 15:25:45 (since it will spend most of its time in ecl.so I can't imagine it will make much difference anyway) 15:28:01 I was wondering if I can (or the consequences thereof) make an ecl.so that doesn't use relocatable but relies on the loader to do relocations 15:28:12 (does that actually work? it ought to.) 15:29:02 Pocket7878 [~Pocket@p2069-ipbf3506hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:29:10 ... Then I realized that this all works differently (and arguably more sanely) on Win32 anyway, so fooling with making things faster on ELF platforms was not so productive. :) 15:29:28 Heh. 15:29:47 Win32 does something right again! 15:29:51 tcr: is that corruption reproducible? 15:30:47 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:33 mcdonji [~user@173-203-206-96.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 15:31:36 not really 15:33:33 the process is still there in case you need some information out of gdb 15:34:04 delYsid [~user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 15:35:54 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Quit: -arividerchi] 15:36:31 postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-240-153.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:39:03 -!- Axius [~hi@92.82.84.56] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:02 somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 15:43:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:46:28 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47:37 chupish: the libtask at swtch.com does not seem contain any reference to futex 15:47:39 -!- free_thinker [~willijar@134.151.144.246] has left #lisp 15:48:17 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 15:48:33 tcr: nope; I was simply mentioned it to show that the implementation is similar regardless of the lib 15:49:01 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:07 hi 15:49:19 levente_meszaros: ping 15:49:40 hi fe[nl]ix 15:49:46 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49:49 I tested your patch but still failed 15:50:08 -!- Guest39927 [~pragma@blackshell.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:50:08 Guest39927 [~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842] has joined #lisp 15:50:17 chupish: libtask seems to be mostly C though :-) 15:50:18 -!- Guest39927 is now known as pragma_ 15:50:45 tcr: yes, yes it is, save for some routines in asm.S, which is used if the system doesn't have a proper ucontext & friends 15:50:50 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:51:22 Seeing all this stuff makes me appreciate Lisp for system programming :-) 15:51:26 fe[nl]ix, %do-load-foreign-library still seems to ignore search-path if the library is a symbol 15:51:29 levente_meszaros: ok, let met try again 15:51:48 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-184-206-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:58 tcr: Funny, writing device drivers in lisp made me appreciate it for system programming. :-) 15:52:03 zan-xhipe [~user@dsl-241-56-177.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:52:29 you sir are totally cool :-) 15:52:44 fe[nl]ix, try loading a library which is not in the system's search path 15:53:06 -!- Pocket7878 [~Pocket@p2069-ipbf3506hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Bye...] 15:53:28 using cffi:load-foreign-library after defining the library with cffi:define-foreign-library 15:53:43 jao [~jao@83.50.65.250] has joined #lisp 15:55:15 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:25 -!- zan-xhipe [~user@dsl-241-56-177.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Client Quit] 15:56:17 dostoyevsky [sck@195.49.138.42] has joined #lisp 15:56:56 zan-xhipe [~user@dsl-241-56-177.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:56:59 smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:05 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 16:04:26 zan [~user@dsl-241-56-177.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:04:37 -!- zan [~user@dsl-241-56-177.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Client Quit] 16:05:15 -!- ASau` [~user@77.246.230.113] has quit [Quit: off] 16:05:25 -!- zan-xhipe [~user@dsl-241-56-177.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:04 I use linux/sbcl/hunchentoot to serve up websites. 16:06:04 I had some trouble getting sbcl and nohup to play nicely together and am now wondering if I am doing something odd. 16:06:04 What is the normal stack for hosting hunchentoot sites? 16:06:28 mcdonji: i use screen. 16:06:34 some use screen or detachtty 16:07:10 So you have a repl alive you can switch to? 16:07:20 that's right 16:07:40 levente_meszaros: I understand now. it's intentional 16:07:42 i start emacs and sbcl in a screen session. sbcl starts a swank server and emacs connects to it. 16:08:17 mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has joined #lisp 16:08:33 Xach: do you use some watchdog process? 16:08:59 umh, so how do I use search-path to load a library then? 16:09:25 hypno: i have an external thing that checks http is working. 16:09:58 levente_meszaros: (define-foreign-library (oracle-oci :search-path "/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/client/lib/") 16:09:58 (:unix "liboci.so")) 16:10:31 i see. i'm about to put a web site into production soon. i'm a bit scared about what will happends if the runtime fucks up and/or the app fail into debug mode for some reason. 16:10:45 Xach: you wouldn't be using postgresql/postmodern by any chance? 16:11:06 hypno: not yet. i hope to soon, actually. 16:11:06 levente_meszaros: then (load-foreign-library 'oracle-oci) 16:11:51 Xach: ok. so i'll save you from a bunch of stupid questions then. :) 16:12:15 I'll give your system a whirl. Thanks Xach. 16:12:42 fe[nl]ix, ok I'll try 16:12:49 hypno: c'mon, if i wanted to be saved from that, would i idle on #lisp all day? 16:13:03 Xach: hehe, good point. 16:13:46 kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 16:14:55 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 16:14:59 when you use postmodern, do you folks use the WITH-CONNECT macro for each transactio/query to the database? the example on their homepage is using CONNECT-TOPLEVEL, but what happends if the db-link goes down with that? 16:15:28 hypno: hmm, that should be fairly easy to test, right? 16:15:58 Xach: true, true. 16:16:15 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.14.67] has quit [Quit: Harag] 16:16:21 *hypno* goes to nuke postgresql and see what happend... 16:16:57 Harag [~Harag@41.56.14.67] has joined #lisp 16:18:16 -!- porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:43 porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:00 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757cc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:09 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:34 -!- cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20:53 abend [~alx@67.136.131.11] has joined #lisp 16:24:32 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:28:05 hypno: there's a reconnect gf, so maybe the intent is to have a handler-bind or similar 16:28:50 hypno: i've also been happy with the level of support on the mailing list, too, so that might be a good place to post your questions. 16:30:44 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-CDE684CB.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 16:31:05 Xach: yeah.. well, my lisp was not impressed when i killed pg and started it again. i got a reconnect option from slime back, but obviously, such a thing wont fly in production. but i'll read more source/doc and maybe send a mail to the list once this goes operational. thanks. 16:31:06 jmbr [~jmbr@81.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:32:15 -!- rdd` is now known as rdd 16:32:26 hypno: you had a restart that offered reconnect as an option? 16:32:29 -!- varjag is now known as varjagg 16:32:44 hypno: that's perfect for production! you can add a handler that does exactly what you want. 16:33:25 without changing anything in postmodern. 16:34:04 Xach: nope. i need to read up on the condition system. but it should be possible to define a condition handler that gets invoked in case of the right signaled error, right? (just like an ISR) 16:34:19 syamajala [~syamajala@140.232.182.89] has joined #lisp 16:34:26 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-49D28CFB.sub-75-194-210.myvzw.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 16:34:28 i didnt have a restart in place, no. but i will eventually, heh. 16:34:49 -!- mooglenorph [~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:36:08 mooglenorph [~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:46 hypno: no, postmodern offers the restart for you. take a look at its cl-postgres/public.lisp 16:36:53 milanj [~milan@93.87.166.17] has joined #lisp 16:36:53 with-reconnect-restart is used extensively 16:37:27 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-49D28CFB.sub-75-194-210.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 16:37:34 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 16:37:42 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@140.232.182.89] has quit [Client Quit] 16:38:23 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:38:43 ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has joined #lisp 16:39:17 alley_cat [~AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has joined #lisp 16:39:34 Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 16:39:45 alexsuraci_ [~alexsurac@32.168.103.156] has joined #lisp 16:41:25 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [] 16:42:25 levente_meszaros: does it work ? 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17:05:13 currently no, but it could be 17:05:29 hence the keyword :synchronized instead of :locked or whatever 17:06:10 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:06:10 -!- porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:42 are there any other data structures which are synchronized? 17:06:59 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:07:01 errkle [~ecaspary3@lawn-143-215-206-57.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #lisp 17:07:24 packages! doh 17:07:36 alexsuraci__ [~alexsurac@32.168.104.113] has joined #lisp 17:07:41 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 17:09:54 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:10:08 -!- alexsuraci_ [~alexsurac@166.189.235.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:10:09 -!- alexsuraci__ is now known as alexsuraci_ 17:11:41 sz0 [~user@94.54.200.109] has joined #lisp 17:12:03 prip_ [~foo@host96-128-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:12:23 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:12:47 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.193.12] has joined #lisp 17:14:02 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-179-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:02 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-179-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:14:02 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 17:18:32 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:18:53 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 17:19:06 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 17:20:36 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:21:23 slash_ [~Unknown@whgeh0250.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:34 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-179-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:34 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-54-179-181.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:21:34 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 17:23:37 plage [~user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 17:23:46 minion: tell me about lisppaste 17:23:47 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 17:24:58 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:59 stokachu [~adam@nat/redhat/x-pbnvqgdegstxcrrp] has joined #lisp 17:25:23 -!- plage [~user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:59 in clim, am i allowed to define my methods for presentation-type-of? 17:26:13 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 17:26:52 clim presentation-type-of 17:26:52 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/23-3.html#_1183 17:27:08 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:18 it says function, but in mcclim it's a generic function 17:27:33 stassats: You are not allowed, as it's not specified to be a generic. 17:27:46 or, how can i just (present object) without specifying presentation type? 17:28:04 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-67-88.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 17:28:12 IIRC, for CLOS instances, the default presentation type is the same as the class name 17:28:44 I imagine that it would only return the class name if the class has a defined presentation-type. 17:29:19 you'd imagine that, but I think you'd be wrong. I thought this was stupid, changed it, and moore changed it back. 17:29:33 but this was years ago, so my recollection is fading 17:30:04 I can't remember if you still have to define the presentation type yourself to do anything useful with it (like accept it), but I think you don't have to specify the type manually 17:30:05 but i have a presentation type on a superclass 17:30:10 *nyef* imagines that, should he ever get this far, he'll come up with an actual documented rationale for why nq-clim does what it does for presentation-type-of. 17:30:41 Yeah, if you have a presentation type on a superclass, that might get returned, although multiple inheritance might screw that up. 17:31:25 well, try it and see what happens. :) 17:31:30 presentation-type-of does return a presentation named after class even when it's not defined 17:32:32 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-66-36.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 17:34:38 nikodemus: here? 17:35:22 i'll just add presentation types with :inherit-from for subclasses 17:37:29 prxq [~mommer@f051145238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:37:31 -!- Krystof [~csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:38:02 hm, doesn't seem to work 17:38:13 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 17:38:17 hi 17:38:35 Hello prxq. 17:39:12 anyone here knows the origin of this? http://wurstball.de/static/ircview/pictures/749cd15bf9d0254286148f468567b29e.jpg 17:41:37 Any name suggestions for https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/547095 ? 17:42:37 Well, at least -part- of that is a string-designator, isn't it? 17:43:33 technically yes, but it's interpreted differently 17:44:04 I mean I don't want to interpret a symbol as a string in that context 17:44:44 concurrency-object-name? 17:45:00 -!- hlavaty` [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:45:37 syamajala [~syamajala@140.232.182.89] has joined #lisp 17:46:05 I'd simply go for thread-name; I think using that name in mutex&co is okayish :-) 17:48:01 tcr: i prefer allowing whole type T 17:48:45 or alternatively restricting it to strings 17:49:06 huh with what argument? 17:49:20 but if it is not restricted to strings, names like (list :worker #) are just too convenient 17:49:35 Why the NULL component, given that NULL is a subtype of SYMBOL? 17:49:55 if it is restricted to strings, it is easy to deal with the names of created by other people 17:50:02 I prefer that to denote that NULL is meant as "not given", not to denote its symbol 17:50:03 Is there a pdf manual for the latest version of sbcl? or at least one that can be downloaded in one file? 17:50:13 kami`` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 17:50:18 if that convenience is not there, the convenience of being able to use complex names is attractive too 17:50:30 lat_: you can build it yourself 17:50:47 nikodemus: I prefer symbols because they easily denote their origin 17:51:06 at least i don't see huge gains for restricting the names 17:51:17 stassats, where is the source? I have searched and searched. 17:51:26 sbcl/doc/manual 17:51:46 nikodemus: Even in case it's arbitrary, I think we could introduce a DEFTYPE. 17:51:58 cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has joined #lisp 17:52:23 stassats, that is many html files, no? 17:52:26 why, if it is type T? 17:52:30 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:52:34 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:42 lat_: depends on how you build it 17:52:45 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-103-188.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: time to get some work done] 17:53:37 nikodemus: You make it obvious that arbitrariness was an explicit decision 17:53:47 a comment does that better 17:53:52 right but where? 17:54:00 at every (name slot? of course not! 17:54:21 shrug 17:55:23 i won't object to foo-object-name deftype, but i'm not sure i see the point if it is an alias for t 17:55:43 -!- errkle [~ecaspary3@lawn-143-215-206-57.lawn.gatech.edu] has left #lisp 17:55:53 it serves as central point to put a comment on to explain the decision 17:56:05 stassats, is this what you mean: http://www.sbcl.org/doc/manual/ 17:57:06 *attila_lendvai* is building an sbcl with nikodemus' gc patch 17:57:16 no, i mean doc/manual from the source directory 17:58:36 nikodemus: I guess dequeue is not interrupt safe, is it? 18:00:03 nvoorhies [~nvoorhies@166.205.136.197] has joined #lisp 18:00:48 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.21] has joined #lisp 18:00:53 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-36-83.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 18:02:37 tcr: iirc yes and no 18:03:05 no in the sense that if you unwind before it has returned but after cas has succeeded, you lose the object that was dq'd 18:03:31 yes in the sense that (iirc) interrupts should not mess up the queue -- but i won't swear on that 18:03:58 I'm wondering on your use of w/o-interrupts in receive-messages 18:04:16 -!- nvoorhies [~nvoorhies@166.205.136.197] has quit [Client Quit] 18:04:21 can't remember for sure, but you'll note that sb-queue doesn't even claim to be interrupt safe 18:04:31 stassats, http://www.sbcl.org/source/doc/manual/ ===> Error type: 404 18:04:58 kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066173.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #lisp 18:05:40 tcr: right, because sb-mailbox (iirc) tries to be interrupt safe in the sense that interrupts should not leave the mailbox in an inconsistent state 18:05:46 doh, you download the sources of sbcl, untar it, go into a subdirectory doc/manual 18:06:12 so interrupts are always --or at least should be-- blocked between the sempahore and the queue actions 18:06:44 because we want to keep those two consistent, and an interrupt that unwinds us between them would be bad 18:07:18 nikodemus: ah right, wait-on-semaphore has side effects on its count 18:07:43 exactly 18:07:51 stassats, oh. Sorry, I should have thought of that. Its late here, and I'm tired. Thanks. 18:08:55 xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 18:09:21 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 18:12:04 oh well, seems that i can't build sbcl docs with #-sb-doc 18:12:12 nikodemus: hmm I wonder how one can implement the :wait nil with that consistency in mind 18:12:16 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082E7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:30 tcr: i don't see the problem 18:13:13 as long as we can reason about the return from wait-on-semaphore, it's callers won't have trouble 18:13:19 -!- exu0 [~u@dslb-188-099-206-030.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 18:13:31 but i don't see a reason to have #+sb-doc otherwise, so screw documentation 18:14:09 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066173.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14:35 and dealing with the timeout in wait-on-semaphore is pretty simple as well 18:15:00 nikodemus, nothing changed with your patch applied 18:15:17 attila_lendvai: nothing wrong detected, huh? 18:15:22 building the core runs fine, starting dies the same way 18:15:37 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082E96A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:15:42 nikodemus: Ok it wasn't clear to me that :wait should be propagated to wait-on-semaphore as (wait-on-semaphore # :wait nil) looks funny 18:15:46 the assert line changed to "GC invariant lost, file "gencgc.c", line 1264" 18:15:58 but it's just the line offset due to the patch 18:16:19 nikodemus: the problem with :timeout is that cvars do not understand deadlines with #+sb-lutex yet 18:16:58 i know -- that is why i left it undone 18:17:04 yup 18:17:28 wait-on-semaphore + :wait nil looks indeed funny, perhaps we should rather introduce probe-semaphore or something? 18:17:34 attila_lendvai: the debugging output patch takes too long to run, i assume? 18:18:14 try-sempahore is the classic name 18:18:31 yup but isn't that probe-foo in CL? 18:19:07 nikodemus, i'll try that then, but this time running the sbcl build in screen 18:19:23 hah 18:19:37 i always run with sbcl build with &> log 18:19:41 koning_r1bot [~aap@88.159.110.31] has joined #lisp 18:20:04 mishoo [~mishoo@95.233.108.37] has joined #lisp 18:20:08 Maybe the default SBCL build should collect logs anyway, instead of just for the contribs? 18:20:21 if i want to monitor it i do something like while true do; sleep 5.0; tail -n1 log; done 18:20:35 Not tail -f? 18:20:50 sometimes 18:21:07 tail -f is too fast 18:21:21 or maybe i read too slow 18:21:35 and if there's a shitload of debug output -f doesn't seem right either 18:21:38 Sometimes I wish that the build would change the title of the terminal window to indicate how far it got. 18:21:56 nikodemus: In case you or someone else does the cvar bits, I'll happily do the rest 18:22:13 imho the build should by default go into /tmp/$USER-sbcl-build.log and only print a line for every major step 18:22:23 Axius [~hi@109.97.53.128] has joined #lisp 18:22:43 one small step for sbcl... 18:22:46 or just into the sbcl dir 18:22:58 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functions for efficiently representing sets; member and adjoin are both O(N), and union is O(N*M), when they could be faster with a better backing data type than a list. is there any standard way of doing fast set operations? 21:04:17 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@2002:62e2:51c2:0:226:4aff:fe01:c6e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:19 -!- BeZerk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:04:37 BeZerk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has joined #lisp 21:04:41 tritchey [~tritchey@2002:62e2:51c2:0:226:bbff:fe00:80c6] has joined #lisp 21:05:39 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:06:08 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.21] has joined #lisp 21:06:59 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 21:08:50 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@2002:62e2:51c2:0:226:bbff:fe00:80c6] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:08:58 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:10:08 hello 21:10:33 Hi! 21:10:42 hi pjb 21:11:05 akm: you could use bit vectors and bit-and et al. 21:13:36 hrm. i guess that works if i first convert all of my set elements into unique integers. but for large enough vectors the bit-and will be O(N), not O(1), right? it can't fit the whole thing into a machine word anymoe 21:14:24 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:15:11 astoon [~astoon@80.78.109.217] has joined #lisp 21:15:54 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757cc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:34 nyef:sb-posix is failing to build over here 21:16:57 oh, but i guess it'll be O(N) rather than O(M*N). thanks pjb, i'll try that out 21:17:29 -!- hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:17:49 hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has joined #lisp 21:20:33 mm. sb-simple-streams blows up becaus there is no mmap .. which is rather expected on win32 21:21:28 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 21:21:45 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 21:21:48 -!- Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:22:02 Test SB-POSIX-TESTS::STAT.5 failed 21:22:38 although it seems sb-posix built 21:23:06 with a lot of style-warnings 21:23:29 abugosh [~Adium@206.225.102.84] has joined #lisp 21:25:28 Demosthenes [~demo@12.187.12.211] has joined #lisp 21:25:36 -!- abend [~alx@67.136.131.11] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:25:53 yay I just made my first lisp program 21:26:26 I could pastie it. it's helpful if you want your computer to say "hello, world." to you 21:27:35 good job I'm running these tests on my laptop, (sb-posix:stat "C:\\CONFIG.SYS") would definitely fail on my desktop as there's only a G: drive (long story) 21:29:14 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:48 -!- gz 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Why would the build-host need to know? 22:04:37 then cmucl or sbcl would be the only possible build hosts 22:04:54 nyef: stuff in genesis assumes the quad floats are already there. 22:05:16 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Be yourself, no matter what they say.] 22:06:00 ... What stuff in genesis? 22:06:00 -!- OmniMancer1 is now known as OmniMancer 22:06:10 *nyef* is definitely not remembering this. 22:07:36 -!- etate [~meta@mon69-4-82-228-201-242.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:08:46 ;; (E.g. the LONG-FLOAT-only parts of genesis are still implemented in terms of unportable CMU CL functions which are not longer available at genesis time in SBCL.) 22:09:06 So... why do you need long-float at cross-build time? 22:10:26 Alternately, since the cross-compiler is already stupid about floats, why not convince the dumper to dump them as make-load-forms that reconstitute a machine long-float from bits? 22:11:19 I'm actually finally half-convinced that the x86oid long-float internal representation in the FPUs is a non-issue for debugging -lisp- code. 22:11:39 As lisp code keeps the FPU in the shorter mode anyway. 22:12:52 hmm. first reference to long-float in lisp seems to be in early-extensions.lisp 22:13:49 Why do I get a "Wrong type argument: listp, :not-available" when trying to complete a package name in a :use clause of defpackage in slime? 22:14:37 (slime 2009-11-26, sbcl 1.0.32.37, gnu emacs 22.2.1.) 22:15:26 -!- Skewb [Skewb@83.231.93.72] has quit [] 22:16:18 old slime? 22:16:21 _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-jqwlgrhqjgmvekvi] has joined #lisp 22:16:33 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 22:16:36 Really? 22:16:53 I'm always wary of updating slime. 22:17:06 make a backup of the checkout dir first 22:19:07 I'll put it on my queue for early 1.0.37, then. 22:20:04 (It's just that my package names are getting stupidly long, :game-stuff/space-requirement$tests for example.) 22:20:36 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:20:52 -!- Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 22:21:06 god that's aweful :-) 22:21:27 There may be a madness to my method, but there's a method to my madness. 22:21:31 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:36 I think the previous record holder might have been :nqclim-sheet-hierarchy or :nqclim-transformation.) 22:23:08 is it a standard-method or a mad-method? 22:23:19 Heh. 22:24:21 OsamaBinWOG [~OsamaBinW@66-168-47-22.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:27:09 -!- WOG [~OsamaBinW@66-168-47-22.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg4Q2xDVREI 22:31:33 kwinz3_ [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 22:31:46 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:28 i can't figure the objective 22:33:05 maximize score; reclaim the conses 22:33:33 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.21] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 22:33:48 tomorrow I'll add more levels so when you finish collecting, you progress to the next level.. maybe also a scoreboard 22:34:12 is that done using sdl? 22:34:20 no.. dependencies are alexandria and cl-opengl 22:35:03 -!- porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:07 It's... qix? 22:35:09 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@host86-154-162-55.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:19 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@95.233.108.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:35:31 porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:11 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-188-124.northland.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:54 hrm, I guess it's too late to change the api of GET-MUTEX to use &key rather than optional 22:40:39 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:12 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:23 How much "too late"? 22:41:27 -!- abugosh [~Adium@206.225.102.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:38 -!- alley_cat [~AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:57 it's exported from a public package 22:42:15 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-179-200-186.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:57 wgl` [~wgl@76.sub-75-205-116.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:45:37 -!- cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-179-200-186.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:47:43 -!- slash_ [~Unknown@whgeh0250.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:47:49 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:49 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-161-49.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 22:49:42 -!- benny [~benny@i577A83B6.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:50:39 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:51:43 A possibly blocking function takes a :WAIT and a :TIMEOUT argument. The latter only makes sense if the former is true. 22:51:53 What should it do if :timeout is given and :wait nil? 22:53:22 It may be exported from a public package, but did we freeze the threading API yet? 22:54:09 I decided to let get-mutex go with &optional but deprecate it and introduce a grab-mutex instead with &key 22:55:07 tcr: that's a bad choice. better have only :timeout 22:56:12 and make :timeout 0 the non-blocking case? 22:56:25 yes 22:57:52 -!- _rata_ [~bea182e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-jqwlgrhqjgmvekvi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:58:31 plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-40-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:59:17 hm that does not fit into the existing deadline mechanism. (with-deadline (:seconds 0.1) (sleep 1.0) (blocking-fn :timeout 0)) should signal a deadline, whereas (... (blocking-fn :wait nil)) should not. FSVO "should" 23:00:08 I do not know if it should, but that's what follows now. 23:05:53 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 23:06:22 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:06:59 merimus_ [~merimus@c-67-171-83-6.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:36 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Planned down time ^^] 23:07:46 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:08:11 mega1 [~quassel@3e44ace2.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 23:09:08 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.21] has joined #lisp 23:09:31 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:10:41 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:03 -!- mcdonji [~user@173-203-206-96.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:33 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:13:50 zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:31 -!- netytan [~netytan@85.211.40.98] has quit [Quit: netytan] 23:15:33 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:19 -!- porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:45 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@2002:47f7:6356:0:223:12ff:fe52:c2f9] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 23:17:14 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:22:13 airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:22:26 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.75.112] has joined #lisp 23:22:42 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:26:55 -!- zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:27 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:31:18 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:32:19 -!- milanj [~milan@93.87.166.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:32:40 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:32:43 TeMPOraL [~temporal@188.147.202.230.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:33:59 Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has joined #lisp 23:35:33 Anyone know a good resource on incremental compiler design? 23:35:57 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:36:12 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@12.187.12.211] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:37:23 Well, there was that one scheme paper, and LiSP, but I doubt those are what you had in mind 23:37:33 What exactly do you mean by "incremental compiler design"? 23:37:58 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:06 -!- wgl` [~wgl@76.sub-75-205-116.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:40:44 nyef: how an incremental compiler is designed. 23:40:45 is there any downloadable version of the annotated clim spec? 23:40:48 also possibly implemented. 23:41:06 Ah, rather than the incremental design of a compiler, the design of an incremental compiler? 23:41:11 yes. 23:41:21 -!- Edward [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-4-75.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 23:41:21 What does "incremental compiler" mean to you? 23:41:24 *Ralith* already has a copy of what you were probably referring to as 'that scheme paper' 23:41:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@81.38.65.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:35 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 23:42:02 Probable. One that starts with compiling a simple C function to find the asm code behind it, then writing a scheme function to emit hte same? 23:42:06 nyef: do I need a better answer than "somethink SBCLish?" 23:42:08 yeah, that. 23:42:43 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:58 http://filebin.ca/baceoj/cons333.ogv <----- colorful LOGOish mini language in lisp for randomly generated game scenes 23:42:59 -!- rayservers [~sp@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:34 -!- xinming [~hyy@218.73.140.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:44:06 nyef: I suppose it's hard to isolate a useful incremental compiler from a REPL. 23:44:14 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:44:26 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:32 Ralith: It's not, actually, it's just... Not that different from any other compiler. 23:44:39 dwr2_ [~chatzilla@adsl-152-252-248.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:49 -!- mega1 [~quassel@3e44ace2.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:45:59 nyef: thus 'useful'. 23:46:47 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 23:47:22 Really, much of it is persisting your environment state where the compiler can get at it and appropriate runtime design. 23:47:39 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:47:40 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:46 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:48:21 nyef: I'm still pretty much entirely lost on the matter. Do you know any detailed references? 23:48:27 *stassats* is trying to understand define-command 23:48:39 Ralith: ... No? 23:48:45 :/ 23:48:46 I never understood how to swap functions into running programs for jit compilation 23:48:50 Well, beyond things like SBCL sources, that is. 23:48:53 so, my only recouse isyeah, that 23:49:01 recourse* 23:49:25 hrm a :timeout argument for condition-wait is less straightforward than I expected. 23:49:42 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:49:42 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:57 merimus_: You "just" have to have the function references go through an indirection, such as a pointer, and know where the pointer is. Put the new function definition in, change the pointer, and, as the saying goes, Bob's your uncle. 23:50:09 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-161-49.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:50:35 If your JIT is running in a different address space it gets more complicated, of course, but not by much. 23:50:46 I figured it was something like that... but now your modifying an executable region... 23:51:05 of course 23:51:12 how did you expect to modify executable code without modifying executable code? 23:51:19 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:51:37 Actually, you can upload the new function in a non-executable region and then change it to executable. 23:51:37 So how does (java for instance) avoid tripping all sorts of alarms in security and antivirus software? 23:52:22 Because things like no-execute are designed to catch it happening in systems where it's not supposed to. A JIT is supposed to. 23:52:26 the table for function addresses doesn't need to be executable 23:52:48 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:55 That too. 23:53:02 guess I can see that one 23:53:05 Doesn't have to be a table, either. SBCL has them as first-class objects. 23:53:16 right 23:54:04 -!- fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:07 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:54:19 Don't forget to flush your I-caches when appropriate. 23:54:27 fda314925 [~fda314925@211.239.124.232] has joined #lisp 23:54:45 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:54:58 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:43 kroger [~user@187.59.202.9] has joined #lisp 23:58:28 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:58:29 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-35-207-156.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:58:34 Phoodus [foo@174-26-247-120.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp