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While i admit it's an easy word to spell by randomly stomping, it's also what ferrets spend a fair bit of their time doing... and perhaps would want to write about. 00:31:09 I'm not sure to scold her or attempt further communication 00:32:05 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Planned down time ^^] 00:32:15 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:32:18 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@78.13.218.209.transedge.com] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 00:35:21 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 00:36:23 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ironport2.museum.moma.org] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:36:29 -!- k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:57 k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 00:37:40 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 00:38:00 :) 00:38:39 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:41:12 porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:19 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:52 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 00:47:54 rodt2 [~rodney@80-45-96-105.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 00:50:29 -!- rodt1 [~rodney@80-45-96-105.static.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:05 -!- milanj [~milan@93.87.180.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:13 -!- brushie_ [~brushie@ram94-7-82-232-189-35.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:01:19 -!- jao [~jao@83.50.65.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:33 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:16 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:53 any body have issues with hunchentoot treating static files or their "paths" differently on 32 and 64 bit archs? 01:12:40 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 01:15:23 k4jd095b__ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 01:15:46 -!- k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:18:20 -!- zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:54 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 01:21:59 -!- dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:30 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:40 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 01:31:18 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Quit: foo] 01:32:17 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 01:34:14 -!- ikonia [~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:35:11 -!- jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:58 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:37:23 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-72-127.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:59 fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 01:38:04 -!- fade is now known as Fade 01:38:10 -!- cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:39:01 dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:44:57 spcartman [~db6ef68f@gateway/web/freenode/x-kkuspyvepttfhjgf] has joined #lisp 01:45:25 cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has joined #lisp 01:48:31 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:49:31 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:52:08 fusss [~kumi@li63-187.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 01:52:41 w000t i got zeromq working with lisp, thanks to vitaly's cl-zmq 01:53:07 kickass messaging at the speed of the Enterprise 01:53:09 fusss: Congratulations! Now how about making MSMQ work as well. ^_- 01:53:28 heh 01:53:32 *nyef* is, of course, kidding, making MSMQ go is as simple as embedding a COM object. 01:53:49 since you're here nyef, any recommendations for a portable atexit handler besides CFFI? 01:53:58 Umm... Nope. 01:54:09 cffi it is then 01:54:25 unless iolib has something in its bowels 01:54:44 Gah. -Bad- mental images. 01:55:23 brb, victory lap dance 01:55:33 Have fun. 01:57:44 ikonia [~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-72-127.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:59:59 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.28.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:19 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:04:36 jao [~jao@83.57.5.8] has joined #lisp 02:04:39 ... Ugh. Transformations are -functions-. There is something inherently wrong as viewing them in any other fashion. 02:05:58 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:06:01 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-cykapshqjgwguwox] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:11 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-fkhejeivgmdrylbz] has joined #lisp 02:07:55 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-72-127.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:05 -!- rodt2 [~rodney@80-45-96-105.static.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:09 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:35 rodt2 [~rodney@80-45-96-105.static.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 02:10:15 ekpneo [ekpneo@r33t.real-ity.com] has joined #lisp 02:11:44 Sergio`_ [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 02:12:10 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:55 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:20:15 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:25:58 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 02:26:45 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 02:28:02 -!- synthasee [~synthase@adsl-146-212-203.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 02:29:54 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:30:04 -!- Sergio`_ [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:30:47 Sergio` [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 02:32:01 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-35-216-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:32:48 Hello gigamonkey. 02:32:55 synthasee [~synthase@adsl-146-212-203.mob.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:01 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 02:35:02 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 02:37:36 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:02 HET3 [~diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 02:39:05 hi nyef 02:40:31 sellout: did you ever get your NaNoWriMo novel printed by CreateSpace? 02:41:05 -!- HET4 [~diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:41:18 gigamonkey: Hrmm, nope  is there a deadline on that? I think I added something to my calendar to remind me. 02:41:46 We have six months, I think. 02:41:54 So April or May or so. 02:42:14 I'm going to try to at least get it printed, though I doubt I'll do any revision. 02:42:33 June 30 :) 02:43:11 I have a chunk of rewriting  but I meant to do that before NaNoEdMo, and haven't actually touched it, so it may not happen. 02:43:23 But yeah, whatever happens, I'll get it printed. 02:44:05 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:13 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:44:36 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 02:52:16 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:43 Heh. I was just about to ask for help with the last line of compose-transformations in http://common-lisp.net/~abridgewater/lisp-tex-test-3.png , but I realize now that the answer is to simply return $T'$ and let everything Magically Happen. 02:58:38 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:54 -!- dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:01:17 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:37 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:00 -!- k4jd095b__ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:17 k4jd095b__ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 03:02:35 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 03:08:35 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ajunbyoydicxxfrs] has joined #lisp 03:09:42 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ajunbyoydicxxfrs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:44 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-78-128-226.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:09:52 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-sbqjxxyxslaugbnl] has joined #lisp 03:10:21 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 03:11:53 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-112-113.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:44 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:15:42 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B901.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:17:21 k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 03:17:45 -!- k4jd095b__ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22:11 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 03:22:11 03:22:11 -!- names: ccl-logbot k4jd095b_ spradnyesh sepult` jan247 HET3 sellout fe[nl]ix synthasee gigamonkey Sergio` ekpneo rodt2 kejsaren_ hadronzoo Tordek abugosh jao ikonia fusss redline6561 cmeow spcartman Fade parolang xenosoz1 porcelina c|mell legumbre billstclair konr bizarrefish saikat Anarch adu simplechat rread mbohun bipt sbahra ichernetsky dto maden_ arbscht dfox ltriant potatishandlarn Jasko fatblueduck derrida Xantoz drwho plutonas Krystof Phoodus ace4016 03:22:11 -!- names: moocow oconnore_ xan-afk _rata_ mathrick m4thrick borkamaniac daniel__ araujo Fare marioxcc gruseom foom kpreid koning_robot rotty rootzlevel Makoryu spacebat lisppaste abeaumont vsync kwinz3 rrice Soulman__ antoszka madnificent adeht holycow Harag nowhere_man blitz_ dmiles_afk rbancroft lharc trebor_dki Oddity goosemo gz Dodek nipra luis xinming lpolzer__ wgl AntiSpamMeta varjag Xof Guest95631 smithzv_ Ralith_ Draggor cmm spoofy Taggnostr Yamazaki-kun 03:22:11 -!- names: alexsuraci pr kleppari ASau``` joast BrianRice Axioplase_ Pepe_ hicx174 kajic Elench tychoish fda314925 fihi09 moshisushi pchrist sobersabre mle nickjd Lycurgus Xach AqD|Home sykopomp nullman boyscared ``Erik yahooooo austinh bdowning ironChicken stepnem pkhuong codemonkeyx prip djinni` rapacity eno fgtech christoph_debian rahul drewc emma snorble anekos sepisultrum WOG turbo24prg frodef Adrinael nyef yacin pookleblinky pragma_ blast_hardcheese joga clog 03:22:11 -!- names: lukjad86 slyrus bytecolor cataska specbot ramus Amadiro rlonstein Zhivago clop hypno sytse TDT _3b` tltstc dalkvist easyE Madsy beach Stattrav DrForr mikezor deepfire Tabmow koollman lnostdal p_l REPLeffect spiaggia p8m [df] Buganini G0SUB tic hdurer_ randa pok johs felipe setheus slather_ tmdhat bfein PuffTheMagic Guest37097 lemoinem cpt_nemo lichtblau Patzy jroes zbigniew adlai_ df_aldur_ mtd Orest^bnc froydnj Ginei_Morioka scode hohum ski housel BeZerk 03:22:11 -!- names: ecraven antifuchs tmitt minion kvsari stettberger Borbus franki^ slyrus_ Tristam mornfall Tril Helheim krappie dostoyevsky gonzojive _bakkdoor eldragon Demosthenes _3b guaqua djm cods Khisanth Holcxjo kuwabara srcerer dcrawford PissedNumlock KatrinaTheLamia qebab thijso kami schme ve Raptelan kom_ jyujin hc_e rikjasnon fnordus rsynnott egn jsnell dejones reb Aisling nuba jrockway dym borisc bjorkintosh l_a_m retupmoca ineiros z0d tvaalen timchen1` tomaw 03:22:11 -!- names: ennen kencausey herbieB fmu nicktastic 03:24:22 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-127-141.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:42 I'm testing ccl-logbot. Would an op please kick me (rme)? 03:26:32 I think the ops are all asleep. 03:26:41 Try again in seven or eight hours? 03:27:04 (Oh, wait, chicago? It's about 10:30pm there, isn't it? 03:27:26 Either way, you're more likely to get some assistance in the morning. 03:27:56 No big rush. I'm just trying to log kicks more reasonably. 03:28:18 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 03:28:55 Just wait long enough and younder will come back and Xach will kickban him again. 03:29:04 exactly 03:29:35 Or create a temporary channel, join the bot (or a copy thereof) there, and kick yourself. 03:31:25 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 03:33:16 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:42 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:36:33 bunt [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:36 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 03:41:36 03:41:36 -!- names: ccl-logbot bunt ikki rme k4jd095b_ spradnyesh sepult` jan247 HET3 sellout fe[nl]ix synthasee gigamonkey Sergio` ekpneo rodt2 kejsaren_ hadronzoo Tordek jao ikonia fusss redline6561 cmeow spcartman Fade parolang xenosoz1 porcelina 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timeout: 276 seconds] 04:21:22 gaaaaaahh 04:21:44 'nonce' . rand()%100 04:21:53 what could possibly go wrong? 04:22:27 -!- lpolzer__ [~lpolzer@dslb-088-073-254-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:22:31 php developers, can't live with them, can't legally drown them in their own blood 04:23:28 "a nonce is an abbreviation of number used once[1]" -- Wikipedia 04:24:39 so, what are the odds of collision [0,100] for a service call that gets made 30 times a second, 24/7? 04:27:48 -!- maden_ [~maden@dsl-157-249.aei.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32:05 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 04:32:05 04:32:05 -!- names: ccl-logbot lpolzer_ ikki Guest80479 psyllo jan247 nunb bunt rme k4jd095b_ spradnyesh sellout fe[nl]ix synthasee gigamonkey Sergio` ekpneo rodt2 kejsaren_ hadronzoo Tordek jao ikonia fusss redline6561 cmeow spcartman Fade parolang xenosoz1 porcelina c|mell legumbre billstclair konr bizarrefish saikat Anarch adu rread mbohun bipt sbahra ichernetsky dto arbscht dfox ltriant potatishandlarn Jasko fatblueduck derrida Xantoz drwho plutonas Krystof Phoodus 04:32:05 -!- names: ace4016 moocow oconnore_ xan-afk _rata_ mathrick m4thrick borkamaniac daniel__ araujo Fare marioxcc gruseom foom kpreid koning_robot rotty rootzlevel Makoryu spacebat lisppaste abeaumont vsync kwinz3 rrice Soulman__ antoszka madnificent adeht holycow Harag nowhere_man blitz_ dmiles_afk rbancroft lharc trebor_dki Oddity goosemo gz Dodek nipra luis xinming wgl AntiSpamMeta varjag Xof smithzv_ Ralith_ Draggor cmm spoofy Taggnostr Yamazaki-kun alexsuraci pr 04:32:05 -!- names: kleppari ASau``` joast BrianRice Axioplase_ Pepe_ hicx174 kajic Elench tychoish fda314925 fihi09 moshisushi pchrist sobersabre mle nickjd Lycurgus Xach AqD|Home sykopomp nullman boyscared ``Erik yahooooo austinh bdowning ironChicken stepnem pkhuong codemonkeyx prip djinni` rapacity eno fgtech christoph_debian rahul drewc emma snorble anekos sepisultrum WOG 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retupmoca ineiros z0d tvaalen timchen1` tomaw ennen 04:32:05 -!- names: kencausey nicktastic herbieB fmu 04:37:00 -!- nunb [~nundan@122.161.218.89] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:37:24 felideon [~felideon@adsl-156-181-221.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:20 rand()%100 is bad. 04:39:30 Why? 04:39:35 It certainly does not do what you (or he) expected 04:39:45 What do I expect it to do? 04:40:23 Because you *assumed* that rand() returned a value within the interval [0;10n] 04:40:31 Whereas it probably does not. 04:40:45 [0;100n] 04:40:58 Therefore, some values will appear more than others. 04:41:13 I know that rand() returns a value in the interval that is a superset of [0;32767] 04:41:20 Right. 04:41:35 So you were incorrect. 04:41:54 So, modulo 100, you'll have [0;67] which will come out more often than [68;99]. 04:41:56 second from of rand is rand(min, max) which you could say rand(0, 100) and get the intended affect I believe 04:42:10 form* 04:42:13 Zhivago: So I was and am correct. 04:42:21 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 04:42:25 Axio: It also applies to rand() -- think about it. 04:42:25 even man rand tells you this, afair 04:42:28 <_3b> ekpneo: that assumes the languages deve cared about that issue 04:43:18 The fundamental error in your thinking is to assume that rand() produces values with a uniform distribution. 04:43:20 Zhivago: no. Because when I do "rand();" I know that I'm getting normal distribution within the bounds of the type 04:43:27 And you are wrong. 04:43:35 This is the crux of your error. 04:43:40 And truncation with modulo breaks normality 04:43:56 Where is the distribution of values produced by rand() specified? 04:44:03 -!- xan-afk [~xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:44:19 <_3b> Zhivago: in the php source? 04:44:30 http://php.net/manual/en/function.rand.php 04:44:32 So we're not talking about C, then? :) 04:44:46 -!- felideon [~felideon@adsl-156-181-221.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 04:44:48 I didn't see anything which stated it was normal distribution 04:44:59 It doesn't. 04:45:09 And this is why axioplase's argument is completely bogus. 04:45:19 Zhivago: I'm talking about any language. In general, rand()%n is worse than rand(); 04:45:23 The only time you would use rand() is when you want mildly surprising numbers. 04:45:39 And in that case, having a slightly more lopsided distribution isn't an issue. 04:46:09 If you're using rand() for anything that expects any particular distribution then you have already failed. 04:46:47 *_3b* once again runs into one of my favorite things about PHP 04:46:49 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-129-74.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:46:55 <_3b> function A documented to do some task 04:47:05 <_3b> function B documented that A is broken, so use B instead 04:47:55 <_3b> (well, last time, it was A documented, C not documented, B only documented to the point of saying don't use A or B, use C, or something like that) 04:48:54 _3b: i like how you can't have any side-effect producing statements/expressions in class bodies outside of functions. 04:49:23 class Foo { $bar = 1+1; } is error but class Foo { $bar = 2; } is correct. 04:49:25 Zhivago: Suppose the rand() function has a normal distribution in a given language, using modulo is likely to break the normality. That's my point. 04:49:44 If it's not normal at first, it's not doing any good anyway. 04:50:08 So, refraining from doing rand()%n is a good programming hygiene. 04:50:24 if it's pseudo-random to begin with, I'd say it's not doing much good anyway besides trivial uses of random 04:50:26 No. It isn't. 04:50:42 rand()%100 is not significantly worse than rand() :) 04:51:20 Axioplase_: http://web.archive.org/web/20011027002011/http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2001182781025.gif 04:51:29 fusss: 9,9,9,9? 04:51:35 enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-98-148-35-51.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:53:09 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:53:37 Axioplase_: oldie but goodie 04:56:37 When I was working on cl:random in ccl, I studied srfi-27, which goes to a lot of trouble to produce uniformly distributed values for any given subrange of the generator's total range. 04:56:48 Axioplase_: and by normal, you mean uniform? 04:57:26 Zhivago: when the range of the prng is small, then using modulo can be an issue. 04:57:47 pkhuong: The more significant issue is when using a prng with unknown characteristics. 04:58:02 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-35-216-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:58:14 pkhuong: If you're using rand() then at best you can expect mildly surprising number 05:00:07 pkhuong: yes. 05:02:17 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.23.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:24 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:27 drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:55 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-84.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:07:46 -!- ekpneo [ekpneo@r33t.real-ity.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:08:29 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 05:12:50 myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 05:13:16 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:13:35 "mildly"? 05:14:03 Algid [~coderaven@c-71-237-204-74.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:14:04 How surprised can you be if you know that you don't know the expected distribution? 05:15:05 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:16:22 Zhivago: I can assure you that a least 99.99% of the people who use rand() expect uniform distribution. 05:17:50 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-158-1-103-204.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18:58 after all, it's called "RAND", and people expect random to be uniform. 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Is there a portable lib for dumping all know info about an error to the user? 05:52:19 clhs handler-bind 05:52:19 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_handle.htm 05:52:51 minion: trivial-backtrace? 05:52:52 trivial-backtrace: Trivial backtrace is a simple platform independent interface for generating a backtrace. http://www.cliki.net/trivial-backtrace 05:52:57 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #lisp 05:53:09 it was trivial to guess 05:53:58 yeah, wrong google terms from me I guess 05:54:12 I'll give it a whirl, though there's no CLISP support 05:56:40 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD114020035180.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:42 -!- jewel [~jewel@vc-41-30-88-77.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:02:55 djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:03:40 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:03:41 myu2 [~myu2@KD124211003116.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:05:48 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-72-127.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:06:09 -!- Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:10:56 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:02 -!- ubii [~ubii@207-119-123-149.stat.centurytel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:15:39 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16:12 Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 06:18:24 -!- rrice [~rrice@adsl-99-164-42-2.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:21:29 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 06:27:23 Axius [~hi@92.82.92.145] has joined #lisp 06:31:21 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-98-148-35-51.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 06:34:18 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 06:34:45 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-12-49.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:07 -!- Makoryu [~vt920@ool-4a599a98.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 06:39:17 hmm, I'm only getting a backtrace to the call to (print-backtrace error), isntead of the backtrace of the actual error. Anybody here use this package? 06:41:11 the code seems to validate my assessment of it, which conflicts with the docstrings 06:42:00 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD124211003116.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:46:19 -!- Axius [~hi@92.82.92.145] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:46:37 hmm, might be moot as (correct me if I'm wrong) backtrace info is only available during the condition handler, and isnt' saved on the error object itself? 06:47:39 Phoodus: backtrace is just printed from the execution context 06:47:53 yeah 06:49:10 Phoodus: http://common-lisp.net/project/trivial-backtrace/ 06:49:16 that's what I'm using 06:49:31 oh 06:49:52 print-backtrace _says_ "Send a backtrace for the error `error` to `output`. 06:50:10 but the 'error' parameter doesn't even get passed to any of SBCL's backtrace stuff 06:50:27 so I only get a printout of the trace to the print-backtrace call itself :-P 06:50:37 yikes 06:50:57 (not that any of SBCL's backtrace printer stuff can even accept an error 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09:14:44 hehe 09:15:34 LTSP is what I call the program is to create a thin client server in ubuntu 09:15:41 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.63.177.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 09:15:51 nunb [~nundan@122.173.237.207] has joined #lisp 09:16:34 or Linux Terminal Server Project 09:16:59 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.63.177.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 09:17:39 what does it have to do with lisp? 09:17:47 oktioz_: this is #lisp, not #ltsp, wrong channel 09:18:25 Yes, I just perceive myself, sorry 09:18:28 an honest typo followed by mutual misunderstanding :) 09:18:42 hlavaty [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:19:06 haha 09:19:11 :) 09:19:20 ve a nice day 09:19:44 -!- oktioz_ [~oktioz@254.161.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #lisp 09:20:04 right hand side of his kb is sticky 09:20:13 >_< 09:20:35 gah, I was wondering how a knowledge base could have a right hand side 09:20:44 *Phoodus* needs to code less. No wait, more :) 09:21:18 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 09:21:46 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:22:27 here, have a remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vEStDd6HVY&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=DE53A978215C0424 09:22:42 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:23:48 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:01 yes, pomplamoose is takeing over the internets 09:24:22 i hope they make millions 09:24:32 they have more talent than most of the pop talent put together 09:27:27 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-129-74.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:28:42 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.34] has joined #lisp 09:30:26 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 09:34:41 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 09:34:45 Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-104-43.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:36:28 -!- bunt [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:39:50 bunt [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:52:39 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:59 -!- Anarch [~olaf@c-67-171-37-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WILL TROLL FOR FOOD] 09:55:12 -!- jsoft_ [~user@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:28 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: bombshelter13b] 09:55:39 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-178-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:56:46 pretty cool this gdb thing 09:57:08 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 09:58:16 *adu* <3 gdb 09:59:06 gdb in general or a particular new gdb-related thing? 09:59:59 lichtblau: attach-gdb restart in slime 10:00:30 link? 10:00:32 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:48 just working on it 10:01:04 will probably check in in about half an hour 10:01:06 aha. I've always loathed gdb, but tromey's newish python scripting stuff is very exciting. There must be endless Lisp integration opportunities there. 10:01:07 tcr, while you are there... how about fixing that the inspector sticks to the thread sldb is sitting in? :) 10:02:03 :source .screenrc 10:02:08 oops 10:03:00 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:19 nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:03:31 what's the current situation re flexml being merged into cxml or put into its own system? 10:04:02 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:29 adeht, i have it checked in into a few project where i use it. won't be in cxml due to lack of documentation 10:06:00 adeht, http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi?r=cl-l10n-cl-l10n;a=headblob;f=/flexml.lisp 10:06:11 yeah, I know it's in cl-l10n 10:06:40 how about flexml.asd ? 10:07:45 adeht, if i'll ever do anything about it, then i'll add it to hu.dwim.util with a hu.dwim.util.flexml.asd 10:08:14 attila_lendvai: I can send you a large patch which also contains a fix for that. You'd have to extract the right bits yourself though. 10:08:56 tcr, i'm fine if it's on your TODO somewhere high to check it in eventually 10:09:28 -!- michalk [~michalk@chello089073134224.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:35 tcr, if slime used darcs... then i could pull that patch over to me... but we've been through that on slime-devel 10:09:52 I'm bad at that, actually I should be doing something else entirely but this gdb idea just seemed way too cool to put off :-) 10:10:02 *attila_lendvai* has a darcs repo of slime with full history 10:10:48 tcr, hrm... if you can easily send that patch over, then please do 10:11:25 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:11:27 i will chop out parts and record them into patches in our slime branch. later anyone can extract them to a unified diff 10:12:32 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:40 sent 10:14:43 Reaver1 [~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 10:14:50 basically you add an :if-available type for slime-current-thread 10:15:03 and make sure that sldb->inspect sets that to the right value 10:16:12 great, thanks! 10:19:50 argh, conflicts with some other cleanups of mine... :/ 10:20:12 i have a slime-make-inspector-opener already 10:20:27 instead of sldb-open-inspector 10:22:35 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-71-225-11-30.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A known mistake is better than an unknown truth.] 10:23:41 *attila_lendvai* curses on the extensive usage of &optionals 10:26:47 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:27:42 *attila_lendvai* realizes that his slime was already fixed and the error was due to something else... then curses... 10:28:06 tfb_ [~tfb@212.183.140.2] has joined #lisp 10:28:20 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.34] has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:28:26 -!- tfb_ is now known as tfb 10:30:37 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 10:31:16 wvdschel [~wim@d51A4AA54.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 10:31:26 michalk [~michalk@chello089073134224.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 10:34:53 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:44 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 10:42:06 Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 10:46:07 -!- spcartman [~db6ef68f@gateway/web/freenode/x-kkuspyvepttfhjgf] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:06 k4jd095b__ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 10:48:12 -!- k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:21 xinming_ [~hyy@125.109.74.67] has joined #lisp 10:50:42 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-129-74.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:51:45 -!- xinming [~hyy@125.109.74.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:52:20 OsamaBinWOG [~OsamaBinW@66-168-47-22.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 10:53:40 bdowning_ [~bdowning@mnementh.lavos.net] has joined #lisp 10:53:58 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has joined #lisp 10:54:26 -!- bdowning [~bdowning@mnementh.lavos.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:54:32 -!- bdowning_ is now known as bdowning 10:55:31 -!- WOG [~OsamaBinW@66-168-47-22.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:56:25 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 10:58:10 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 11:00:11 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 11:07:41 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 11:15:51 k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 11:19:34 -!- k4jd095b__ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:20:06 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:20:21 rajesh [~rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh] has joined #lisp 11:20:45 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@chello089074179078.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 11:20:45 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:21:07 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.63.177.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 11:23:45 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:20 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.66.139] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:28:02 -!- Guest96091 is now known as pkhuong 11:31:43 DrunkTomato [~DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru] has joined #lisp 11:32:00 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 11:32:33 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 11:33:24 -!- ASau``` [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:08 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-129-74.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:49 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-78-129-74.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:37:23 somecodehere [~ingvar@77-233-95-4.televork.ee] has joined #lisp 11:38:46 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:40:11 -!- DrunkTomato [~DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru] has quit [] 11:42:28 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:43:44 does any body here use hunchentoot behind nginx? I am having problems with serving files that is referenced by create-static-file-dispatcher-and-handler 11:45:19 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181150041.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:48:35 synthasee [~synthase@adsl-146-212-203.mob.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 11:49:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:27 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:51:16 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:55:10 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 11:55:12 smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:56:42 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:58:33 -!- bunt [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:59:33 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xgbdskyprohzacqx] has left #lisp 11:59:49 TeMPOraL [~temporal@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has joined #lisp 12:00:10 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:01:40 bunt [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:17 ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has joined #lisp 12:06:47 I use hunchentoot behind nginx, but i don't serve static files from hunchentoot. nginx does that. 12:06:53 kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-33-115-57.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 12:07:47 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 12:08:27 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:08:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:52 mrSpec [~Spec@chello089074179078.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 12:08:55 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@chello089074179078.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 12:08:55 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 12:09:23 hi Xach :) 12:10:11 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@42.176.250.195.sta.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 12:10:23 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@42.176.250.195.sta.estpak.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 12:10:44 hi dto, yes! it is starred in my reader 12:14:16 ljames [~ln@unaffiliated/ljames] has joined #lisp 12:15:06 ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has joined #lisp 12:20:30 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-84.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22:12 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-11-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 12:22:48 -!- wvdschel [~wim@d51A4AA54.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 12:24:15 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-71-39.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:24:36 Xach: :) 12:24:58 Xach: i think response will be bigger this year.... i'm going to promote and support the contest a bit better, organization last year was lacking on my part 12:25:40 i think it would be interesting to try replicating shawn betts's build process for mac/win so that we can distribute the entries to more players 12:25:52 i've requested the info from him 12:26:36 cool 12:27:10 he says for windows he's making a drop-in-place tarball i should be able to just unzip and make apps 12:27:11 Harag: I done that but it's been more than a year ago. 12:27:26 i dunno how the situation is for mac. my local friend offered to let me use his mac for it tho. 12:27:50 dto: I had a daydream about making a pure-CL .dmg writer a while ago 12:28:25 ooh 12:28:36 dto: is there a write-up of shawn betts's building process somewhere? 12:29:17 no, i am trying to get him to do it :) he's busy 12:30:19 tritchey [~tritchey@2002:62e2:51c2:0:226:4aff:fe01:c6e] has joined #lisp 12:30:24 aerique: i got it to work before aswell but cant get it to work today :( 12:30:39 Ok committed the attach-gdb restart to Slime 12:30:49 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 12:31:24 nikodemus: You can add a defimplementation for gdb-initial-commands to swank-sbcl.lisp 12:31:45 dunno what it needs to use gdb properly w/ sbcl 12:32:28 -!- nunb [~nundan@122.173.237.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:40 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44:49 pubby [~user@220.184.74.170] has joined #lisp 12:45:25 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:47:02 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:06 G'morning all. 12:47:56 :) GMT+8 for me 12:49:31 sellout [~greg@2002:4855:eb9a:0:21d:4fff:fefe:c504] has joined #lisp 12:51:27 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:51:43 anyone knows how to fix the menubar in emacs: I am in slimemode, I see all the slime/lisp menu's but they do not contain anything 12:52:05 PissedNumlock: M-x menu-bar-mode 12:52:23 Should "fix" any menu-bar problem in emacs. ^_- 12:52:32 oh yes, disabling and enabling it 12:52:38 any more permanent fix? 12:52:43 Leave it disabled? 12:52:48 PissedNumlock: is your emacs recent? 12:52:51 yes aerique 12:52:56 *nyef* also kills tool-bar-mode and scroll-bar-mode. 12:53:02 PissedNumlock: I had that problem in the past but not recently anymore. 12:53:16 i still have it 12:53:24 but i don't use menu bar too much 12:53:34 neither do I, but it is still handy 12:53:40 i got when playing around with emacs' tear-off menus 12:53:45 except when i don't know a shortcut and don't know the name of a command by heart 12:53:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:54:53 <_3b> isn't there ctrl-right click or something though? why waste the screen space 12:55:06 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:55:25 cause with double screen 24inch I have enough space? :) 12:55:41 _3b: nice advice, that 12:56:18 *_3b* still doesn't have enough space :p 12:57:43 gozek [~quassel@85.52.166.111] has joined #lisp 12:58:39 spiaggia: hi - I see you asked for me a while ago 12:58:58 Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 12:59:00 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:59:06 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:01:17 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04:57 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:50 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [] 13:08:48 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@2002:62e2:51c2:0:226:4aff:fe01:c6e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:07 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:07 fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@80.153.54.203] has joined #lisp 13:10:22 -!- pubby [~user@220.184.74.170] has left #lisp 13:13:09 another question about slime + sbcl: apparently whenever I make a mistake in the REPL (so I get an error) my connection goes foobar 13:13:16 or my repl 13:13:19 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:13:25 for example it refuses to evaluate expressions 13:13:33 PissedNumlock: that's not normal. 13:13:37 no, its not :p 13:13:42 PissedNumlock: ... Win32? 13:13:47 no, archlinux 13:13:56 slime-cvs + latest sbcl 13:13:58 PissedNumlock: what's the question? 13:14:08 if anyone encountered this before 13:14:17 cause googling it doesnt really turn up much 13:15:41 PissedNumlock: i'm on arch linux and everything works fine; both on 32 and 64 bits 13:16:08 PissedNumlock: what kind of mistake do you mean? 13:16:15 i have not chechked out the latest slime maybe 13:16:26 for example mistyping function-name 13:16:50 (or executing function and forgot to load the appropriate package) 13:17:15 warnings are no problem 13:18:02 and not always apparently 13:18:03 :< 13:18:09 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.165.232] has joined #lisp 13:18:33 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:18:42 Reaver1 [~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 13:18:47 but there appears to be quite a lot broken with my emacs 13:19:04 C-x C-f even gives errors from time to time 13:20:25 jdz: could you give me your .emacs ? 13:20:47 I cp'ed mine from another computer running debian and cp'ed all the emacs-goodies from debian 13:21:00 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:22:57 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.165.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:23:30 -!- xinming_ is now known as xinming 13:23:31 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-gicgvfveykonyaie] has joined #lisp 13:25:11 jdz pasted "emacs slime setup" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96558 13:27:58 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:28:24 -!- rajesh [~rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:29:01 ty 13:29:05 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:01 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:29 I might have fixed it by recompiling my .el files 13:31:55 billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 13:31:55 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 13:31:55 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 13:33:28 -!- Phoodus [~foo@97-124-121-147.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:40 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 13:43:44 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:25 -!- nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48:06 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 13:52:01 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:52:29 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:52:34 -!- spoofy [~spoof@78.31.74.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:54:14 wvdschel [~wim@vpnc006.ugent.be] has joined #lisp 13:54:53 -!- wvdschel [~wim@vpnc006.ugent.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:54 spoofy [~spoof@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 13:59:21 carlocci [~nes@93.37.200.23] has joined #lisp 13:59:52 if i want to document (defvar *foo*) without having to give it an initial value, how do I do that? 14:01:34 clop: (setf (documentation ...) "...") 14:01:39 (setf (document...yeah. 14:01:57 clop: some of edi weitz's libraries have a macro to do that more conveniently, but i can't find it at the moment. 14:04:27 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:31 thanks... i'm always a little surprised by what setf can do... :) 14:04:58 it doesn't do much, actually 14:05:06 clop: or you could, you know, just initialize it to NIL 14:05:20 dlowe: and then makunbound it? 14:05:31 that would do the wrong thing in the event of reloading 14:06:48 i didn't want to initialize it to nil because i'm going to declare it have a particular type 14:06:49 Xach: uh, why? 14:07:08 dlowe: to have an unbound special, as (defvar *foo*) does? 14:07:17 -!- synthasee [~synthase@adsl-146-212-203.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:52 Xach: an unbound special is of dubious utility 14:08:31 clop: you could have it be of type (or null your-type) 14:09:13 i would think the compiler would optimize better if it knew it was always of the particular type, which should be the case any time it is bound 14:09:24 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:42 clop: premature optimization? for shame... 14:09:43 of course, assumptions about what the compiler might do are often unfounded 14:09:51 pfft 14:10:30 it also just seems cleaner not to initialize it until i have an actual value for it 14:10:57 mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has joined #lisp 14:11:32 smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:46 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:11:48 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: gz] 14:12:02 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.96] has joined #lisp 14:13:22 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:14:52 -!- TeMPOraL [~temporal@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has quit [Quit: cu around, ppl :) .•«UPP»•.] 14:20:39 felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has joined #lisp 14:24:08 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 14:25:03 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 14:26:10 I have put together a simple widget framework for hunchentoot. I did it as much for the educational value as for the usefullness I hope it will have ...http://bitbucket.org/harag/ht-wfx/wiki/Home 14:26:52 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:28:21 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:52 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:30:32 antonis-froska [~adonis@ppp-94-65-158-205.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:31:15 hello 14:31:32 hello antonis-froska 14:31:32 Hello. 14:32:02 which is the command to save a file..in lisp..using the terminal? 14:32:18 i use gnu clisp 14:32:52 i am newbe on that and i have an exercise for the university.. 14:33:05 what file? 14:33:43 p.e i write programm...which command i use to save it on my disk? 14:33:52 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@77-233-95-4.televork.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:18 antonis-froska: Do you mean you want to save all the history that you typed in interactively? 14:34:22 Well, you write your program in a text editor such as emacs anyway, right? 14:34:23 you write programs using a text editor 14:34:24 antonis-froska: that is a little backwards. usually you write it into a file and then send it to lisp. 14:35:17 i run clisp in a terminal.. 14:35:24 and i write my programm there. 14:35:31 is it correct? 14:35:47 no, that is backwards 14:35:56 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 14:35:58 ohh..what i have to do? 14:36:04 help me plz..:) 14:36:44 you write your program in emacs 14:36:57 you run your lisp inside emacs using slime 14:37:18 you send stuff for evaluation into the running lisp 14:37:33 maybe learning slime only for an assignment isn't necessary 14:37:44 emacs is a little strange for me..can i use mousepad p.e? 14:37:49 oh, an assignment 14:37:54 sorry, i missed that 14:38:05 you write your program into a file using any editor you like 14:38:06 you can use any editor and then load that file with (load "file.lisp") command 14:38:10 antonis-froska: write your program in an editor. then you use LOAD (and perhaps COMPILE-FILE) to load your program. ie: * (load (compile-file "myfile.lisp")) 14:38:43 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 14:38:44 antonis-froska: you can use mousepad if you like counting parenthesis 14:38:51 then you fire up your lisp, and so (load (compile-file "my.lisp")) in the repl, etc 14:38:52 thnx..give me 2 minutes to test that. 14:40:30 *stassats* counts parenthesis when trying to sleep 14:40:34 IMPORTANT: when you do this, be aware that you are working in a really awkward manner, and don't consider it representative of the way lisp hackers usually work. doing it like that is only a few steps removed from using punchcards... 14:41:12 but if it is for a single assignment, yeah, better suffer a little than spend the time getting a nice environment to work in 14:41:54 *nikodemus* surrenders the high horse 14:41:58 If you're expecting to do several more assignments, and possibly some larger projects, then by all means spend the time to get a good environment sooner instead of later. 14:42:10 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:43:20 hi nikodemus 14:43:24 hi 14:44:00 two things: a) what's periodic-polling-function designed for exactly, b) attach-gdb in slime 14:44:42 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 14:47:47 -!- antonis-froska [~adonis@ppp-94-65-158-205.home.otenet.gr] has left #lisp 14:50:08 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51:24 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-113-63.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 14:51:25 -!- stettberger [stettberge@peer.zerties.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:02 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@vasara.proghammer.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:52:12 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@saga.ftbfs.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:54:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:02 -!- alexsuraci_ is now known as alexsuraci 14:55:02 zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:10 -!- zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:49 -!- oconnore_ [~oconnore_@ip72-210-76-249.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:58:13 stettberger [stettberge@peer.zerties.org] has joined #lisp 14:58:20 -!- gozek [~quassel@85.52.166.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:47 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@saga.ftbfs.de] has joined #lisp 15:00:11 tcr: i have no real idea re periodic-polling-function. it has been there forever -- we just marginally cleaned up the API at some point after removing it brought its users out of the woodwork 15:00:18 i think CLG at least uses it 15:00:36 oh I thought you added that fairly recently 15:00:42 added it back :) 15:02:45 attach-gdb: i think the right thing would be for there to be an Emacs command instead of a restart, which would run (shell-command (format "gdb -p %d" (slime-pid))) or similar 15:02:51 jsnell [~jsnell@vasara.proghammer.com] has joined #lisp 15:03:17 by the time i usually want to attach gdb, there's a good chance the lisp is not responsive anymore to much anything 15:04:41 Joreji [~thomas@67-181.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:05:31 proghammer.com? what happened to google? 15:05:51 In that case, use M-x gud-gdb manually; to make it do it automatically, there must be some form of communication between swank/slime which means quite a bit of middle layer involved 15:06:10 wait 15:06:14 nonsense 15:06:20 hah I can do that 15:06:35 the inferior's pid is known at the Emacs side 15:07:26 However, the nice thing about the restart thing is that backends can specify a default configuration for gdb 15:07:34 like muffling certain signals in gdb etc 15:08:57 jmbr [~jmbr@60.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:09:36 i don't think it's a restart i'm likely to use 15:09:55 when i want gdb, i want no lisp evaluation 15:10:47 Yeah I'll provide the emacs-only interactive function 15:10:59 I actually added attach-gdb for ECL 15:15:25 huh, funny 15:15:50 i can't get "call backtrace_from_fp($rbp, 100)" to work for an sbcl running in emacs 15:16:18 nikodemus: What platform? 15:16:21 OS X 15:16:34 tried both terminal and non-terminal emacs 15:16:43 ... There are so many things wrong with that that it's not even funny. 15:16:51 Can you get it working for SBCL not in emacs? 15:16:55 sure 15:17:08 works just fine in sbcl running on its own in terminal 15:17:28 Threaded SBCL? 15:18:06 nope 15:18:10 Hrm... 15:18:26 well, there is the mach thread -- but i didn't try to backtrace that one 15:18:37 Yeah, that's odd-seeming... 15:18:47 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.124.26] has joined #lisp 15:18:48 does it work for you? 15:18:54 I could also envision that atttaching gdb via restart results into breaking into the right thread, but for that to work you'd need some way to map Lisp thread to LWP number 15:19:22 i don't see how that would work 15:19:23 I don't even bother installing gdb, so no, it doesn't work for me. 15:19:43 why not? 15:20:18 "LWP number"? 15:20:46 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:20:52 udzinari` [~user@nat/ibm/x-whtsdcbqnlvpcwtl] has joined #lisp 15:20:59 that linux thread-id 15:21:28 A couple possible mechanisms come to mind, btw. 15:22:31 Since the lisp thread object holds a pointer to the SBCL TLS area, which is also stored by way of pthread_setspecific(), and said TLS area also includes the struct thread, which includes the pthread handle. 15:22:49 -!- felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has left #lisp 15:22:57 afaik LWP number is different from pthread-id 15:23:28 you get the lwp by gettid(3) 15:23:54 Well, it's something you can at least check into. 15:25:11 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:16 Oh! Can you map from LWP number to stack pointer? 15:26:23 clapautius [~me@188.26.53.57] has joined #lisp 15:26:47 hm, i wonder if this doesn't work because the output does astray, or because the backtracing itself doesn't work? 15:26:59 nikodemus: *inferior-lisp*? 15:27:08 that's where i expected it 15:27:15 since it goes to stdout 15:27:39 *nikodemus* adds debugging output 15:27:40 Oh good grief. 15:28:07 I should seriously land some of the odd debugger changes I've got lying around. 15:28:23 yes, you should :) 15:29:32 -!- smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:29:47 http://repo.or.cz/w/sbcl/nyef.git/commit/5bb68e49754aadd2742d8a8e7f7c8ecc8c2ae785 and http://repo.or.cz/w/sbcl/nyef.git/commit/c107e249775c297d4fdf3bb85122c357cccfa75c come to mind. 15:31:49 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:27 -!- jao [~jao@83.57.5.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:32 nyef: what's missing from committing those? 15:33:47 I'm not sure anything is. 15:34:14 Well, the effects on non-x86oids are unknown, which is a little worrisome. 15:34:31 gcc-farm to the rescue! 15:34:53 or #ifdef LISP_FEATURE_X86OID 15:37:23 -!- fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@80.153.54.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:37 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 15:39:04 ok, it's output that goes missing 15:39:29 even 'call (void) printf("FOO!\n")' is mysteriously lost 15:40:09 so no gdb goodies for me 15:41:51 That seems a little odd. 15:42:54 Oh, right, I remember what was wrong with the backtrace-from-context patch. 15:43:20 It's actually two separate changes in one, and the change to print_context() should be replicated for non-x86oid ports. 15:48:30 -!- schme is now known as schmx 15:48:33 psyllo [~ben@c-98-234-150-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:32 -!- psyllo [~ben@c-98-234-150-140.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 15:53:33 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75764e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:31 alexsuraci__ [~alexsurac@32.171.206.127] has joined #lisp 15:57:07 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:58:45 lithper2_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 15:58:51 arthurk86 [~ambonyin@salle007.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has joined #lisp 15:59:02 tsuru [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:21 -!- tsuru is now known as tsuru` 15:59:55 nikodemus: FWIW, I just added M-x slime-attach-gdb 16:00:22 I'm searching a function who can display a message in the minibuffer pane? 16:00:26 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:45 elisp message 16:00:46 http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/elisp-manual/html_node/elisp_621.html#IDX2298 16:00:57 but that's off-topic! 16:01:10 :( 16:01:15 you can have it from Common Lisp, too :-) 16:01:31 I dont found it 16:02:23 DrunkTomato [~DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru] has joined #lisp 16:03:19 accept can show message but you need to enter a value 16:03:35 I want just to display message 16:05:04 ok, you're using mcclim? 16:06:20 yeah 16:06:24 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:07:08 hlavaty [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:07:28 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:07:33 reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:07:34 -!- arthurk86 [~ambonyin@salle007.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has left #lisp 16:07:56 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:08:09 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 16:08:50 tsuru`` [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:09:01 mattrepl [~mattrepl@129.174.97.34] has joined #lisp 16:10:29 -!- tsuru` [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:11:28 jdz [~jdz@81.198.241.173] has joined #lisp 16:12:07 dia100daly [~sdiawara@salle007.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has joined #lisp 16:12:52 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@129.174.97.34] has quit [Client Quit] 16:12:53 minion: memo for arthurk86: you can print to *pointer-documentation-output*, though i'm unaware of the implications 16:12:54 Remembered. 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I've read most of "Practical Common Lisp". Is there another book worth lookig at (apart from the standard itself)? 17:18:31 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:18:43 -!- sepult`` [~user@xdsl-87-78-74-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:43 minion: tell ekpneo about PAIP 17:18:44 ekpneo: have a look at PAIP: Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp by Peter Norvig. http://www.cliki.net/PAIP 17:18:45 moah [~gnu@dslb-084-063-162-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:18:59 ekpneo: there are many, but i consider Keenes CLOS book just as important, really. 17:19:04 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:04 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:19:19 minion: Keene? 17:19:20 Keene: "Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS" by Sonya E Keene. http://www.cliki.net/Keene 17:19:26 minion: AMOP? 17:19:27 AMOP: The Art of the Metaobject Protocol, an essential book for understanding the implementation of CLOS and advanced OO. See the sepcification of MOP at http://www.lisp.org/mop/ 17:19:57 sepult`` [~user@xdsl-87-78-74-140.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:54 -!- DrunkTomato [~DEDULO@ext-gw.wellcom.tomsk.ru] has quit [] 17:23:11 is there a way to do this with loop: for x in q do 17:23:11 (if (hasnext x) (pushnew (next x) q)) 17:23:12 ? 17:23:33 hypno: interesting, i was just looking at that and wasn't sure about biting the bullet (keene) 17:23:37 couldn't find any examples online of updating the list you loop over 17:23:46 -!- rpg [~rpg@mpls.sift.info] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:24:01 -!- smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:24:09 Unhammer: http://l1sp.org/cl/3.6 has some rules 17:24:10 clhs 3.6 17:24:11 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_f.htm 17:24:48 oh :/ 17:25:00 derrida: well, opinions differ i guess, but i for one would really recommend it. 17:25:06 -!- sepult`` is now known as sepult 17:25:12 smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:42 depending on what you want, using DO or recursing on the list is quite valid -- but you should consider that lists in lisp are singly linked 17:25:57 derrida: that is, if you intend to use clos at least. (i've done the mistake of not using it once, employing the PG-style of lisp, and i will /not/ do that again, at least. :) 17:26:01 hypno: it's been on my list for a while, i think i'll pick it up when i finish amop 17:26:09 hehe 17:26:32 guess I'll just recurse, won't be going deep anyway.. 17:26:43 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:57 hypno: yeah, i'm using clos but it's nice to hammer it in and clear up cobwebs 17:27:11 dnolen [~dnolen@ironport2.museum.moma.org] has joined #lisp 17:28:28 hypno: have you read the Slade OO book? 17:28:46 yeah. i have around 3000 lines of code that is all clever in subtle ways, but a fucking nightmare of global variables, macros, closures and all sorts of cleverness to maintain. less NIH, more CLOS and it would make sense. :) 17:29:03 :) 17:29:11 nope. 17:29:17 unfortunately, i know what you mean. 17:29:34 I don't particularly recommend the slade OO book 17:29:42 it's pre-ANSI, it doesn't really cover OO at all well 17:29:49 ah 17:30:54 -!- smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:30:56 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:31:06 Sergio` [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 17:32:57 Xof: ty 17:34:45 *levente_meszaros* wonders why on earth there's no way to iterate through asdf system's using public api... blah 17:35:26 thanks for the suggestions. fire alarm interrupted me, sorry. 17:36:18 derrida: fwiw PAIP and Keene are the obvious "next books" 17:37:07 i think that's exactly what i'll do 17:38:27 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-20-232-182.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:31 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-127-141.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:02 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-100-58-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:46 any good exercises of sorts I should do to get familiar with it? I can read till the cows come home, but immersion would be nice as well. 17:40:40 immersion requires immersing yourself :) get that REPL and go! 17:41:38 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:42:07 exactomundo 17:42:26 write a program! write two! write a dozen! 17:42:59 read other people's code (edi weitz has a great style, for example) 17:44:42 pascal costanza's mop code is second to none 17:45:01 Xach's libraries are small, easy to understand, and well put together. 17:45:28 I do intend to write, just a bit worried anything I think up will be way too advanced for my newb skills (even if it may be easy for me to see in other languages (ie: python/c/etc)) 17:45:44 drewc: And anything I write is typically completely insane? 17:46:02 nyef: i would't subject a n00b to it :) 17:46:09 ekpneo: only one way to find out -- and i think after a week or so you will be very pleasantly surprised 17:46:27 nyef: it's not that the code is hard to understand, it's usually the subject matter :P 17:46:28 nyef: maybe someone coming from forth or asm :) 17:46:54 ekpneo: There are lots of small projects to write. I've written a tiny program to calculate my tax payments, for example. 17:47:02 ekpneo: if you want to see how to do something completely insane, there is nyef's code :P 17:47:19 too bad there is no Common Lisp Style Police :) 17:47:22 ekpneo: also, all the code from PAIP is top quality 17:47:25 what sorts of insanity are we talking? ;) 17:47:32 i thought i was the CL style police? 17:47:44 nikodemus: Sure there is, but they typically attack over indentation and stray parens. 17:47:48 do you write tickets? 17:48:35 no... you're right.. i'm more like the cl style fairy... come in here with poor style and i'll write your code for you just to show you how it _should_ have been done :P 17:48:45 saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:48:53 *stassats* notes that 17:48:58 ekpneo: bootloaders, hardware emulators, stack discipline fixes to sbcl -- that's the kind of stuff nyef thrives on :) 17:49:00 mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 17:49:01 leave your baby code under the pillow.... 17:49:27 drewc: :D 17:50:35 ljames know's what i'm talking about :P ... i'm still writing that damned binary parsing library. I don't need it, i have other work to do.... but it's fun damnit! 17:50:58 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 17:51:12 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:12 milanj [~milan@93.87.117.252] has joined #lisp 17:51:13 Heh. You want "fun, damnit!", try http://common-lisp.net/~abridgewater/lisp-tex-test-3.png 17:51:25 eddie [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:33 minion: paste 96381? 17:51:34 Paste number 96381: "sketch of use of vapourware binary class reader" by drewc in #lisp. http://paste.lisp.org/display/96381 17:51:38 waat? nyef? 17:51:38 I want to make that defmethod compile. 17:51:53 -!- eddie is now known as Guest19210 17:52:06 And I have some idea of how to do so. 17:52:21 -!- bunt [~misterbun@c-69-248-161-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:52:42 nikodemus: What-waat? 17:52:48 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:52:59 nyef: by writing READ-TeX-FORM ? 17:53:08 drewc: Something like that. 17:53:12 what does the actual source look like? do you have crazy keybindings to write that neatly, or is it just a pretty view? 17:53:27 nikodemus: It's a pretty view. 17:53:44 insane but neat :) 17:53:50 nikodemus: Thus, I need to be able to have that pretty view in a source buffer, and to make it compile, and... 17:55:45 and then the nifty keybindings? 17:55:51 Maybe. 17:55:58 postamar [~postamar@69-165-152-76.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 17:56:07 is there a theoretical or a practical goal? 17:56:24 -!- abugosh [~Adium@206.225.102.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:56:36 Literate programming, as espoused, is broken, but parts of it are really neat. 17:56:50 right 17:57:04 I'm sortof trying to find a form which is less broken and still neat. 17:59:08 nyef: heh, that's been a goal of mine as well 17:59:23 nyef: when brings me to : have you seen, used and loved the leo editor? 17:59:31 I can't say that I have. 17:59:56 *nyef* googles. 18:00:05 well, it's literate programming done right... imo... 18:00:08 http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html 18:00:25 i used leo for _everything_ before coming to lisp. 18:01:45 which brings me to my secret project : a structure editor and image based lisp development environment 18:02:05 drewc: care to join the hemlock fray? 18:02:07 with the bubbles! 18:02:28 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 18:02:49 -!- moocow [~new@69.67.174.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:02:51 drewc: "image based"? 18:03:05 smalltalk! 18:03:24 *nyef* hopes not. 18:03:26 nikodemus: i've been meaning to anyway.. i want webkit, and qt is a way to get there, and qt has hemlock 18:04:16 nyef: yes, storing programs as versioned object trees (ala cl-walker) 18:04:22 in rucksack 18:04:38 the textual representation is generated 18:04:58 and the round-trip works of course 18:05:29 Hrm... 18:05:50 drewc: good! hemlock is now sort of perfect for hacking -- easy to get a hang of, not so broken as to be useless, but broken enough that it's easy to feel your editor is notably better after spending a few hours on it 18:05:52 I'm skeptical, but largely because of the drawbacks of the round-trip not working. 18:06:05 (see: worse _is_ better!) 18:06:25 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06:33 drewc: that sounds cool 18:06:50 leo looks like it has some good ideas, though. 18:07:00 nyef: it requires custom reader, of course. 18:07:09 *stassats* hates working on the environment more than using it, however fun it is 18:07:31 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:07:34 and a custom writer... i already a lot of the problem solved in DESTRUCTURING-DIFF 18:08:05 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.7] has joined #lisp 18:08:09 nyef: leo is brilliant. before i had DEFMACRO, i had had cloned nodes and i was ok with that. 18:08:31 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.12] has joined #lisp 18:08:34 drewc, do you store the code in cons cells? 18:09:26 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-35-216-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:32 levente_meszaros: no, the classes returned from the code-walker are persisted directly 18:09:45 s/classes/instances of classes 18:10:03 so you can reason about the code in the database easily 18:10:09 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082F20B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:27 drewc, do you have some generic way of annotation? 18:11:00 say, give this function with red background 18:11:02 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:11:25 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-gicgvfveykonyaie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:11 Morbeo [myrlochar@91.92.170.132] has joined #lisp 18:13:22 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082BFAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:13:35 each source node has a plist which can be used for user extensible information, so yeah... i'm just not actually using it for anything yet 18:13:43 I'm curious, because I've been working on intentional programming in intentsoft 18:15:06 and there were hundreds of nice things except display was so slow (but lazy and incremental) 18:15:29 leo is at-least-vaguely similar to org-mode? 18:15:46 nyef: leo is like an emacs built around org mode + cweb 18:15:55 Hmm. 18:16:10 (in python) 18:16:21 *p_l* just noticed a new web framework for lisp that he somehow missed 18:16:43 stassats: here? 18:16:46 tcr: yep 18:16:54 p_l: oh? 18:17:09 stassats: the command is called sldb-break-with-system-debugger; should I put it on A or S? 18:17:49 drewc: Wispy Lisp. Will require work tough if I want to actually use it -- it depends on AServe etc. 18:17:52 drewc, is a function/variable/etc rename instaneous and always correct due to having the name stored exactly one place? 18:17:53 levente_meszaros: to be honest, i have not though about the editor side of it much beyond it being a structure editor 18:17:54 tcr: i have no opinion here, though i don't object to either 18:18:00 It's called system-debugger because while it's tied to gdb at the moment, I could see making it work with the Java debugger in case of ABCL 18:18:16 -!- rlonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:18:31 p_l: oh, Howard Yeh's thing? 18:18:52 yeah 18:19:00 somehow it slipped under my radar 18:19:10 well, it was only a blip to begin with. 18:19:29 drewc: yes, but it seems fairly feature complete for such a short project 18:19:37 that's what surprised me 18:21:17 -!- dia100daly [~sdiawara@salle007.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has left #lisp 18:21:38 p_l: it's only a very simple framework, but yes, it was good work :) 18:25:27 *levente_meszaros* thinks it would be fun to do lazy and incremental display using lazy constraint based change propagation 18:28:31 *levente_meszaros* always wanted to have multiple views on the same code 18:29:27 you can turn your display upside down 18:31:38 stassats, that's still just one view even though it's different :) 18:32:44 there is a hand-stand also, it will be bring more blood into the brain also, better thinking 18:34:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@67-181.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:39:30 -!- lithper2_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 18:40:17 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:43:16 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:32 -!- fmu [root@unaffiliated/fmu] has left #lisp 18:49:45 Edward__ [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-75-93.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:52:30 seangrove [~user@70-36-146-156.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:10 -!- nunb [~nundan@122.173.237.207] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:56:04 -!- Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:12 nunb [~nundan@122.173.237.207] has joined #lisp 18:58:26 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:43 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:01:14 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:50 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 19:02:49 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip72-204-42-139.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02:52 dmit [~dmit@94.247.120.2] has joined #lisp 19:04:02 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-146-156.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:04:34 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-75-20-232-182.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 19:06:07 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.7] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 19:06:13 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181150041.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:09:39 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14:01 abugosh [~Adium@206.225.102.84] has joined #lisp 19:15:39 leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 19:20:21 slyrus__ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:25 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip72-204-44-87.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:54 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-84.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 19:25:03 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066163.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:25:32 fisxoj [~fisxoj@80.153.54.206] has joined #lisp 19:25:56 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip72-204-44-87.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:24 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:28:26 TR2N [email@89-180-137-56.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 19:29:37 Heh. I'm just catching up on my sbcl-related email in gmail, and there's a message involving a :file-write-date 3470280343... And gmail puts a helpful "track package" link to DHL on the right, so I can track the package with that file-write-date as its tracking number. How useful is that? 19:30:04 -!- nunb [~nundan@122.173.237.207] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:30:04 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:10 mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 19:30:46 eek. time for package locks. 19:30:56 schoppenhauer [~css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:31:43 I guess that's one solution, yes. 19:33:22 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ironport2.museum.moma.org] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 19:33:31 FareWell [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:10 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:25 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.11] has joined #lisp 19:38:29 kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066166.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #lisp 19:38:32 francogrex [~user@20.125-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:38:56 Hi, anyone has experience with cl-sqlite? 19:39:54 -!- ikonia [~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:02 ikonia [~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia] has joined #lisp 19:40:04 -!- abugosh [~Adium@206.225.102.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41:50 -!- tcr [~tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:44 beach [~user@ABordeaux-158-1-103-204.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:42:52 Good evening! 19:42:56 -!- Edward__ [~Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-75-93.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:00 Hello beach. 19:43:04 good evening beach 19:44:21 Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-60-173.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:45:29 slime was unstable, so I upgraded. Now it's broken :( 19:46:34 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:47:54 FareWell: My policy for upgrading slime is, first, "don't". And, second, "take a clean checkout, preserving the old slime directory for posterity^W^W in case the upgraded version is worse." 19:48:09 :( :( :( 19:48:13 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 19:48:23 I realize that this doesn't help now, but maybe it will next time? 19:48:27 mishoo [~mishoo@host54-105-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:48:40 * ;; swank:close-connection: end of file on # 19:49:07 ahem. Can I make it work by changing the connection type? How do I do that? 19:49:14 FareWell: have you done the 'kill all fasls, restart all emacses and lispses and kill a chicken' yes? 19:49:14 -!- francogrex [~user@20.125-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:38 drewc: forgot to kill the chicken! 19:49:52 -!- saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: saikat] 19:50:10 Is this that issue where you just run slime again, tell it not to create another inferior lisp, and then it works fine? 19:50:22 *austinh* hasn't started a new slime in a while 19:50:25 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 19:50:48 is there an emacs commande that does 'uptime' ? 19:50:49 dunno 19:50:55 yikes.. i need coffee 19:50:59 M-x shell ... uptime ? 19:51:11 i meant the uptime of the emacs instance 19:51:13 system uptime or emacs uptime? 19:51:18 the latter 19:51:23 drewc: what, it's not equivalent for you? 19:51:24 `M-S ! uptime' 19:51:40 Xach: heh, not by at least a minute 19:52:07 but i've been experimenting with multiple emacs processes, and actually was wondering which was the oldest. 19:52:12 *Xach* starts more than one emacs from /etc/rc.local 19:52:42 emacs-uptime has been there for quite q while 19:52:54 7 hours, 41 minutes, 52 seconds 19:52:55 leo2007: heh, i'm an idiot 19:53:08 ;) 19:53:23 I see no emacs-uptime here. 19:53:42 gah, looks like swank-asdf is unhappy with my latest asdf's games... 19:53:47 14 days, 15 hours, 33 minutes, 41 seconds <--- the day i got my new laptop setup 19:54:07 drewc: Ooh. You got a new system too? 19:54:10 nyef: Emacs > 23.1 should have it. 19:54:31 leo2007: Running emacs22 here, I think. 19:54:48 12 days, 23 hours, 53 minutes, 46 seconds <---- two days later, an emacs + slime that worked well enough to still be running 19:54:53 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:13 i've started using 'emacs --daemon' + emacsclient recently 19:55:16 _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-rikaewmlkjmoxxik] has joined #lisp 19:55:26 I skipped emacs 22 entirely since I need good unicode support. 19:55:29 -!- _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-rikaewmlkjmoxxik] has quit [Client Quit] 19:55:48 _rata_ [~929bd90b@gateway/web/freenode/x-kovufbnzflijdkrz] has joined #lisp 19:55:51 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 19:55:54 nyef: yeah, i got a refurbished thinkpad t60 for like $500.. with a one year warranty. Since i go through about one a year, i figure i might as well accept that.. nay, embrace that! 19:56:35 Wow. I considered getting a refurb thinkpad, but the one the store had was a 32-bit model and I wasn't about to give up my 64-bit userland. 19:57:06 *drewc* is looking at a stack of 3 semi-functional laptops... this is the third year on the boat.... 19:57:27 Oh, ouch. I guess that'd be an environmental hazard? 19:57:47 I'm still annoyed that my last system only survived for three years. 19:58:45 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:45 they still all 'work' FSVO work... it's mostly input and power issues. 19:59:32 one is of course the media centre.. always the most recent casualty propped up enough to watch movies. 19:59:38 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:59:48 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:23 last time i had one repaired cost me $300 bucks, so i figure it's cheaper to buy new ones 20:00:32 'new' 20:00:35 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:00:45 Hell, this machine cost me $300, new. 20:00:49 I imagine constant salt spray is hard on electronics 20:01:24 And by "new", I mean "manufacture date is 1001". 20:02:02 And "CPU was only -announced- last december". 20:02:19 nyef: e-papyrus? 20:02:41 dlowe: Aspire One 532h. Atom N450 CPU. 20:03:07 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:21 *dlowe* was making a joke about a laptop made in 1001 20:03:26 billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 20:03:26 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 20:03:26 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:04:03 Ah. 20:04:18 No, they seem to have put a two-digit year and two-digit month together. 20:05:12 (It can't have been the tenth of january, the CPU wasn't out at that point.) 20:05:45 -!- schoppenhauer [~css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:02 why tenth? 20:06:13 isn't that year+month? 20:06:17 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@64.134.146.84] has joined #lisp 20:14:02 -!- postamar [~postamar@69-165-152-76.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:14:21 jdz: Exactly. 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21:24:17 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 21:24:28 bytecolor: yes 21:24:41 clhs 6.1.7.2 21:24:41 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/06_agb.htm 21:24:57 CL strong type checker ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu/pub/boyer/diss/akers.pdf 21:25:34 for a subset, obviously, but more expressive than ML style (according to the abstract) 21:25:49 jdz: ah, thanks. trying to get a grip on loop, it's a beast ;) 21:26:02 blah, 17 years ago 21:27:50 ML of 17 years ago is not ML of today, either. 21:29:49 FareWell, sure, but that type system (unlike ML) is undecidable 21:29:53 bytecolor pasted "loopy" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96574 21:31:12 do people use that funky with a = 0 and b = 1 and c = 3, etc. syntax often? It just looks like hell to me ;) 21:34:47 -!- saikat [~saikat@c-67-188-239-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:02 jcowan [~jcowan@nat/google/x-qlhwlybdymzbzval] has joined #lisp 21:35:06 -!- jcowan [~jcowan@nat/google/x-qlhwlybdymzbzval] has left #lisp 21:36:15 saikat [~saikat@c-67-188-239-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:54 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 21:39:04 -!- bytecolor [~user@adsl-70-136-249-169.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:37 -!- davazp [~user@147.Red-88-6-205.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:57 prxq [~mommer@g227029009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:43:24 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 21:45:51 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-CDE684CB.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: gz] 21:46:10 hi 21:46:16 'llo prxq 21:47:18 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:49:08 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:49:16 -!- reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:04 bytecolor [~user@70.136.249.169] has joined #lisp 21:52:06 dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:28 -!- leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:53:55 segmentus falutus 21:54:18 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 21:55:06 gruseom [~daniel@d206-75-29-17.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:31 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:32 I think it's about time I broke down an got a new laptop as well This one just can't hang. Max 1Gb RAM is the main problem, me thinks. 21:57:06 *FareWell* remembers when 16MB looked like a whopping lot of memory. I mean 64KB. 21:57:41 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:58 *prxq* remembers the first 30 Mb hard disk 21:59:11 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:59:16 my graphics card has more memory than your harddisk... 21:59:19 oh, i've seen 10" floppy disks :) 21:59:20 nod, 512k on an XT, with a 20Mb MFM hdd 22:00:06 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 22:00:20 hrm, 3.77Mhz? processor or so. something like that 22:00:25 that were the days. Programming TSR things. 22:00:30 4.77 22:00:31 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:00:35 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-78-74-140.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:00:40 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:00:40 ah 22:01:11 not that it mattered :-) one could read the output of DIR in real time 22:02:16 Meh. The primary reasons for that were slow disk I/O and pathetically slow BIOS routines for text output. 22:02:44 it was all pathetically slow. Floating point was emulated! 22:02:53 Even if you had an 8087? 22:02:57 no 22:02:59 TeMPOraL [~temporal@178.182.1.26.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:03:08 but that was not that common 22:03:10 Of course, I'd argue that even with an FPU it's still emulated. 22:03:13 KVM's emulated vga card seems to suffer from the pathetically slow console text output problem. 22:03:23 I'm not quite sure how it manages to make it quite as slow as it does, though. :P 22:05:25 -!- varjagg [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:56 this git thing is tricky. 22:06:19 I have to different repos that claim to be up-to-date copies of each other. 22:06:46 probably something with branches something something. 22:07:29 really forces you to understand the underlying object model before you can truly use it. 22:07:29 I still don't know why "git push" into another repository with a checkout in it does what it does. 22:07:31 no idea, but this sounds like a bug. both have the same branch checked out 22:07:34 foom: simple, it's an unaccelerated framebuffer that emulates a SVGA card 22:07:44 p_l: it's perfectly fast in X. 22:07:57 Rehammer [~user@c28374BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #lisp 22:08:37 leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 22:08:59 foom: probably because X uses a proper driver instead of using emulated character mode and explicitly calls accelerated blitting functions? 22:09:01 hello, is the developer of lisppaste on this channel? 22:09:16 p_l: *shrug* 22:09:35 -!- Unhammerd [~user@c28374BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:10:12 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:10:43 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@64.134.146.84] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 22:11:21 foom: VGA character output is iirc an array of I think two byte elements, one specifying glyph and other specifying color etc. This isn't really accelerated in most framebuffer-style devices. 22:11:51 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:30 sure, but it takes a *lot* more than "not accelerated" for redrawing the 80x24 console to take ~2 seconds. 22:14:13 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:15:19 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:16:35 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:49 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:17:53 Yeah, but taking a page-fault per byte might do the trick. 22:18:51 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 22:18:53 leo2007: I don't see chandler around. Any particular problem you have with lisppaste? 22:19:30 I want to request a feature that allows one to ask for n posts by nickname 22:19:39 Ooh. 22:19:47 Hrm... 22:20:33 (asdf:initialize-source-registry) takes 6 seconds for me on SBCL :( 22:20:41 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 22:20:46 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:15 what with (directory "/foo/**/*.asd") and such 22:21:51 dnolen_ [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:54 ECL does it in less than half a sec 22:22:24 Yeah, but does it do the same thing on both? 22:22:34 leo2007: The website has a requests link 22:23:10 Hang on, looking at the paste index structure now. 22:23:19 *nyef* is emergency backup maintainer. 22:23:23 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:40 nyef: thanks ;) 22:23:55 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 22:24:23 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-11-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 22:24:29 Heh! (defun count-pastes (&rest args &key ...) (length (apply #'list-pastes args))). I'd forgotten I did that. 22:25:49 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ironport.museum.moma.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:25:50 -!- dnolen_ is now known as dnolen 22:27:04 -!- tsuru`` [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:27:07 bgs101 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:27:08 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-11-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:09 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:25 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:27:30 nyef: is that something at the server side? 22:27:55 -!- Lycurgus [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 22:28:18 schoppenhauer [~css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 22:28:38 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:30:42 TDT` [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 22:30:47 reb` [~user@nat/google/x-wfdjsbvityveuboa] has joined #lisp 22:31:08 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 22:31:31 -!- reb [~user@2620:0:1003:1000:216:e6ff:fed5:8b75] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:32 Yeah, I forget why we have it, something to do with the paste list stuff, I think. 22:32:54 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066166.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- lpolzer_ [~lpolzer@dslb-088-073-225-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-16-247-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-76-115-44-87.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- kajic [kajic@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:54 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:55 -!- nicktastic [~nick@unaffiliated/nicktastic] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:32:55 -!- herbieB [~herbie@u15287329.onlinehome-server.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:33:10 -!- TDT [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:38 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@host54-105-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:33:52 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.7] has quit [Quit: off to clas] 22:33:55 Well, it should be more-or-less possible, though I'm not going to dive into implementing it right now. 22:34:12 nyef: I think the feature I requested is very useful to have. For example, if I posted a few pastes today then come back another day, in order to resume discussion I will want to find my last N posts. 22:34:42 Can you use google in some way to do this? 22:34:58 nyef: I can wait. Could you help remind the developer? 22:35:17 nyef: if the server can do that we can make lisppaste.el do that automatically. 22:35:17 Send email to the request list? 22:35:32 Ah, you want it over the xml-rpc interface as well? 22:35:36 I am about to catch the bus in 10 minutes :( 22:36:30 kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066166.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 k4jd095b_ [~k4jd095b@87.70.183.61] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 lpolzer_ [~lpolzer@dslb-088-073-225-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-16-247-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 BrianRice [~water@c-76-115-44-87.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:30 kajic 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Values are on the other side of bindings from variables. 23:20:51 right, sry 23:20:53 ;) 23:20:54 Xach: ccl-logbot should log kicks more reasonably now. 23:20:56 -!- synthasee [~synthase@adsl-146-212-203.mob.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:21:28 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 23:21:32 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-143-78.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:21:34 thanks for the suggestions 23:21:52 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:21:58 plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-200-152.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 23:22:00 "those-changey-things"? 23:22:31 "stuff" ? :D 23:22:38 ltriant_ [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 23:23:02 shadow and/or use an explicit package prefix. 23:23:33 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.64.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:23:48 housel` [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 23:24:07 think I'll go for "attribute" as it's basically modelling a column in a relation 23:24:11 is it normal that on sbcl, find-if continues scanning the list past an element that returns true? 23:24:24 faux` [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 23:24:39 -!- Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:44 _8david [~user@port-92-195-152-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 23:24:45 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:25:31 stepnem_ [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 23:25:40 *FareWell* feels like he may have declare optimize'd SBCL into a weird mode. 23:25:53 of course, I can't reproduce at the REPL. 23:25:57 mornfall_ [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 23:25:59 bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:26:16 FareWell: Recent SBCL? 23:26:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:27:03 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:27:03 -!- ecraven [~nex@octonex.swe.uni-linz.ac.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:03 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:03 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:03 -!- lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-152-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:03 -!- housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:03 -!- Holcxjo [~holly@home.sinclair-durer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- potatishandlarn [~potatisha@c-4f665ea7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- gonzojive [~red@condi.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- xinming [~hyy@125.109.74.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:04 -!- stepnem_ is now known as stepnem 23:27:05 latest 23:27:07 clhs find-if 23:27:08 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_find_.htm 23:27:16 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:27:17 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.64.201] has joined #lisp 23:27:42 xinming [~hyy@125.109.74.67] has joined #lisp 23:27:44 is there some funky broken compile-macro for find-if? 23:27:57 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 23:28:08 I don't know about "broken", but have a look at 1.0.36.24. 23:28:19 How did you run into this? 23:28:22 Holcxjo [~holly@88.97.45.21] has joined #lisp 23:28:30 -!- jmbr_ [~jmbr@60.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:28:59 Was your predicate called too many times or something? 23:29:05 gonzojive [~red@condi.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 23:30:22 I'm using .32 23:30:32 potatishandlarn [~potatisha@c-4f665ea7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 23:30:46 FareWell: from-end? 23:30:47 yes, it was run past T being returned 23:30:54 from-end nil 23:31:16 I inserted debug statements in the labels function... returns T indeed 23:31:52 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 23:32:02 m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 23:32:13 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:13 -!- m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:19 I can reproduce at the non-REPL 23:32:21 I'm not crazy 23:33:02 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-11-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 23:33:15 I would suggest that, provided it is at least returning the correct result, that it is not wrong for it to call the predicate too many times, merely suboptimal. 23:33:29 (find-if (lambda (x) (format t "~&~S~%" x) (evenp x)) '(1 3 5 2 7 4 9 6 8)) 23:33:34 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:33:40 Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has joined #lisp 23:34:31 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@80.153.54.206] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:11 fisxoj [~fisxoj@80.153.54.206] has joined #lisp 23:35:27 -!- snorble [~none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:35:51 pavelludiq_ [~quassel@87.246.28.180] has joined #lisp 23:35:58 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 23:36:04 ``Erik_ [~erik@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:29 snorble [~none@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 23:36:30 -!- jdz [~jdz@81.198.241.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:52 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.28.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:01 -!- Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-44-247.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 23:37:11 -!- ``Erik [~erik@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:16 -!- tmdhat [~savio@jagat.xored.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:38:49 tmdhat [~savio@jagat.xored.org] has joined #lisp 23:38:57 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.201] has joined #lisp 23:39:11 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:39:36 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:07 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@80.153.54.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:40:35 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:03 -!- _ace4016_ [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-148-90.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:06 Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #lisp 23:43:58 delYsid [~user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 23:45:32 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:43 god dammit. I'm the last one in the building, the doors are closed, and I don't have the keys. 23:45:54 you need keys to exit? 23:46:05 Apparently so. 23:46:17 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:46:18 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-148-90.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:18 Occasionally happens that you need keys to exit without tripping an alarm. 23:46:26 Alternately, might need keys to get back in. 23:46:32 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 23:46:33 what about windows? 23:46:50 or emergency exit? 23:46:59 There's the emergency exit, but the door doesn't close from outside. 23:46:59 Many offices don't have openable windows. 23:47:05 I don't want to leave it open. 23:47:16 can you call someone who has the keys? 23:47:18 or sleep in... 23:47:58 I might as well do some work, I guess. Bah. 23:48:50 Yeah, I'm sure someone will show up  in eight hours or so. 23:52:21 -!- faux` [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:52:44 Right. 23:53:06 Stupid emergency exit. Hmpf. 23:53:13 -!- dmit [~dmit@94.247.120.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:23 tom1 [~pierre@212.99.78.123] has joined #lisp 23:56:32 -!- Rehammer [~user@c28374BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:58:04 please what is the lisp's init file? is it .emacs??? 23:58:41 ok, I adapted cl-launch enough that it can successfully run with ASDF 2. 23:58:42 tom1: depends on the Lisp implementation. 23:58:45 Sigh. 23:59:14 1.653... how many trivial changes are required to make ASDF ready to release? 23:59:40 luis: I use sbcl and slime with emacs 23:59:55 plovs [~plovs@a83-163-231-19.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp