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00:49:48 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229243056.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 00:50:39 <_3b> clhs: with-open-file 00:50:39 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_w_open.htm 00:51:18 <_3b> naiv: ^ you might find that useful 00:51:41 <_3b> naiv: also, you might want to think about what you are returning from those functions 00:52:46 y i have to return the list i forgot 00:52:53 thank you, reading 00:56:17 <_3b> naiv: what did you intend (read line) to do? 00:57:37 i have some files with a list of codes or chars, one by line, and i have to load them in a list 00:58:48 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:58:48 i think that (read line) returns the code but i didn't test it atm 00:59:12 <_3b> clhs read 00:59:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_rd.htm 00:59:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:00:53 <_3b> line doesn't look like an input stream there 01:02:30 oh yes i have to use read-from-string 01:02:47 another mistake thx 2am here :) 01:03:55 -!- Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-74-116.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:15 *_3b* might call READ directly instead of READ-LINE then READ-FROM-STRING in that case 01:04:26 fine you found the true problem ^^ 01:05:06 thank you very much hehe 01:05:17 now it works 01:06:56 Scriptor [~tamreenkh@cpe-98-14-252-58.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:08:14 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:20 billstclair [~billstcla@dsl-205-231-150-168.taconic.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:20 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@dsl-205-231-150-168.taconic.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:09:20 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 01:09:25 -!- juhk [~juhk@dslb-188-099-241-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:10:00 -!- konr is now known as konr-brb 01:10:47 -!- konr-brb [~user@201.82.138.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:14 konr [~user@201.82.138.3] has joined #lisp 01:11:34 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:47 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:09 zzkt [~user@ppp118-210-51-204.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:16:12 -!- htk_ [~htk___@unaffiliated/htk-/x-9867211] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:01 JonSmith [~jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:19:21 <_3b> are &rest lists safe to modify? 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02:11:48 (clisp) 02:12:09 clhs readtable-case 02:12:10 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rdtabl.htm 02:12:14 clhs *print-case* 02:12:14 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_cas.htm 02:13:11 -!- enthymene [~kraken@130.166.209.12] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 02:13:40 naiv: explained by backward-compatibility, I guess 02:15:29 Scriptor [~tamreenkh@cpe-98-14-252-58.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:16:57 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:49 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:18:25 hi all. If anyone has experience with Edi Weitz' HTML-Template, I have a peculiar problem 02:18:54 I'm trying to emit an html tag which is a variable in the template. Like so: <> 02:19:01 this is confusing HTML-Template. 02:19:12 any ideas how I could work around this? 02:19:19 holycow [~new@64.151.208.2] has joined #lisp 02:20:28 print-case doesn' affect my problem 02:21:46 ah. I've found my own solution. 02:21:47 -!- Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 02:22:12 madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 02:25:54 -!- Alabaman [~badgerfac@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:26:44 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:26 -!- JonSmith [~jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #lisp 02:27:54 -!- Scriptor [~tamreenkh@cpe-98-14-252-58.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Scriptor] 02:28:46 -!- gonzojive_ [~red@c-76-21-113-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive_] 02:28:58 i found my solution : clisp -modern 02:32:42 -!- nickjd [~76eca0ef@gateway/web/freenode/x-jsgzlpvkqhczaume] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:39:18 oh great. The test suite uses condition vars in an obviously wrong manner. 02:39:44 (threads.impure.lisp:L264) 02:40:37 naiv, some libraries will break if you use that, since it's not ANSI compliant 02:41:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:41:06 ysph [~user@adsl-157-159-26.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:11 I'm sure this is kindof random, but does anyone know of a decent set of ALSA bindings for SBCL? 02:41:36 (I'm looking specifically for sound -recording- at this point.) 02:41:39 nyef: alsa as in sound? 02:41:53 Yeah, sound. 02:42:10 Not that I have them, but I am also interested, but more for output. 02:42:14 Ah. 02:42:22 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 02:42:40 Adlai, i note 02:42:45 Helheim [~helheim@93.186.169.24] has joined #lisp 02:43:09 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-155-194-30.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:43:24 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has joined #lisp 02:43:33 -!- holycow [~new@64.151.208.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:57 I'll probably want output as well, actually. 02:44:05 Easier to tell if the input side is working that way. 02:44:14 -!- nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:44:39 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:45:44 G0SUB [~ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #lisp 02:46:39 nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 02:49:29 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:49:34 naiv: I'm not sure, but I think hefner had been doing something with ALSA directly 02:49:54 other than that, you'll probably have to look at CFFI 02:49:56 p_l: Psst. Wrong n. 02:50:12 ah, right 02:50:38 I slipped 3 lines between reading nick and question, my bad. 02:50:54 np 02:51:14 there are some nice libs out there that don't have C++ interface which can make access to ALSA easier 02:52:07 though PortAudio seems to have more support for OSS than ALSA, for example 02:52:11 there's also SDL 02:52:41 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:59 nyef: any idea what condition-wait-sigcont.lisp is supposed to test for? 02:54:29 pkhuong: Isn't it mentioned on the first two lines of the file? 02:54:48 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:55:05 Yeah... But how are spurious wake ups a *bug* in condition variables? 02:55:24 That I couldn't tell you. 02:55:34 Maybe the mailing list archives have something? 02:59:16 setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:00:59 naresh [~nareshov@unaffiliated/nareshov] has joined #lisp 03:01:23 Perhaps it was a miscomprehension of the correct semantics back in prehistory? 03:01:42 (Prehistory, right. I was around when dan?b was landing the first threading patches.) 03:01:54 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.83.92] has joined #lisp 03:01:58 -!- naresh [~nareshov@unaffiliated/nareshov] has quit [Client Quit] 03:02:58 naresh [~nareshov@unaffiliated/nareshov] has joined #lisp 03:03:05 -!- naresh is now known as nareshov 03:03:46 mach-semaphore-based lutexes seem to work fine. 03:04:05 I should probably make move more of the logic to CL though. 03:05:14 -!- nareshov [~nareshov@unaffiliated/nareshov] has quit [Client Quit] 03:06:04 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@144.198.182.10] has quit [Quit: lemonodor] 03:06:25 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.83.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:06:34 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:04 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-quknebmajupqtuzi] has joined #lisp 03:15:20 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-quknebmajupqtuzi] has left #lisp 03:17:35 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:18:11 cvandusen [~irchon@99-166-72-116.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:57 -!- cvandusen [~irchon@99-166-72-116.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:32 lithper2_ [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:22:54 cvandusen [~irchon@99-166-72-116.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:24:39 -!- cvandusen [~irchon@99-166-72-116.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:21 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:33:29 -!- mooglenorph [~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:35:00 -!- dys [~andreas@krlh-5f72e088.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:35:27 dys [~andreas@krlh-5f72cd1e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 03:36:28 bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:57 mooglenorph [~marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:24 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 03:39:41 lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-75-83-150-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:42:10 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:44:10 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44:32 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Quit: Odin-] 03:44:44 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.83.92] has joined #lisp 03:44:52 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 03:45:46 enthymene [~kraken@cpe-98-148-35-51.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:46:30 -!- parolang` is now known as parolang 03:48:50 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:49:25 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.83.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:49:25 -!- nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:50:03 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vidrnxocyhxiecjp] has joined #lisp 03:50:15 nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 03:50:31 G0SUB [~ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #lisp 03:52:24 Hey, would it make sense to turn assembler-routines into actual FUNCTION objects? 03:53:05 It'd probably break a few things, but be otherwise workable. 03:53:18 what's the advantage? 03:53:27 Relocatable read-only space. 03:53:39 -!- rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:53:51 Combine that with no unboxed references to static symbols, and we could relocate everything. 03:54:25 nyef: it's 0354 here and you already made my day 03:54:27 would it? We like being able to call the routines' address directly. 03:54:31 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 03:54:48 We -like- it, but we can't do that anyway on many platforms. 03:54:52 x86-64 comes to mind. 03:55:09 how does bignum arithmetic work then? 03:55:13 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:14 well fixnum->bignum 03:55:23 PPC either, for that matter. 03:55:39 How do you mean? 03:55:52 nyef: what about rewriting addresses during relocation? Some way to identify unboxed, direct references to locations and modifying them during relocation? 03:56:06 You have to burn a temp register to get to the assembler-routine for overflow anyway. 03:56:14 p_l: We have that on x86, actually. 03:56:30 Even went to some trouble to make genesis put together the relocation tables. 03:56:54 nyef: oh right. temp-reg-tn anyway. Cool. 03:56:56 (Instead of deferring it to cold-init, by which time it's too bloody late.) 03:57:17 pkhuong: Right. So, given that we're burning a temp-reg-tn, burn a boxed literal slot as well. 03:57:24 Same for any static-symbol access. 03:57:26 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:46 nyef: I wonder if it's possible to make a nop-like tag before assembler-level calls and similar, that wouldn't slow the code too much... 03:57:47 Leaves us slightly screwed for NIL on those platforms that don't burn a register on it, though. 03:57:47 -!- spacebat [~akhasha@ppp118-210-32-142.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:58:09 p_l: Better to store the information notinline. 03:58:30 Just like we do for table-based unwind. -cough-. 03:58:58 freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 03:59:59 hmm... I know that GHC keeps some data inline, by placing it before the subroutine itself (after stripping the classic prologue/epilogue) 04:00:10 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-215-106.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:00:41 p_l: that's pretty much what we do, keeping metadata next to the code. 04:02:00 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-215-106.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:35 Scriptor [~tamreenkh@cpe-98-14-252-58.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:02:50 pity that the only way I know to safely put the data right next to the subroutine call is with a PIC jump... 04:03:19 p_l: on x86, that is. 04:03:22 Most of our functions have to be PIC anyway... or relocatable. 04:03:39 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7212.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:04:03 Besides, our functions get passed a pointer to themselves on entry. 04:04:10 nyef: to the closure. 04:04:24 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:05:30 Not for a non-closure function, and it's a single memory access to get from a closure to its function. 04:05:53 pkhuong: well, at least on some architectures (amd64, alpha, more?) there's IP-relative jump instruction... unconditional jumping by few bytes should be barely noticeable by cpu 04:06:18 amd64 has IP-relative data addressing. 04:06:24 p_l: just about every architecture, I think. 04:06:26 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:06:38 ARM has IP-in-GPR anyway. 04:08:15 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:55 Actually, while I'm thinking about things, is there some way to tell at fasdump time if a code component is a toplevel-form only or if it needs to be kept around longer? 04:10:39 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@119.224.32.224] has joined #lisp 04:10:40 p_l: but, no unconditional jumps aren't necessarily free. They eat up some cycles, if only for decoding & address generation, and the data that's skipped over wastes I$. 04:10:48 (That is, if it's a function body or contains a closure that needs to persist, as opposed to a straight up TLF such as the runtime parts of %DEFUN or a SETQ or similar.) 04:11:52 nyef: you'd need to peek at the next fop, to see if you're just executing it? Apart from that, if there's only one function in the component, you're good. 04:12:12 pkhuong: I know they aren't free, I was just comparing such jump to a "far" jump/branch, as well as trying to compare the difference between doing an extra jump through a jumptable and similar 04:12:42 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@119.224.32.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:12:44 -!- Scriptor [~tamreenkh@cpe-98-14-252-58.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Scriptor] 04:15:44 pkhuong: Fasdump time, not fasload time. 04:16:12 But yeah, if there are two entry points it's probably an important component. 04:18:18 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 04:19:52 btw, any idea why we don't have specialised value cells? 04:20:21 No clue. 04:21:39 -!- jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-4-254.chs.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:23:49 -!- blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:25:51 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26:24 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 04:28:15 spacebat [~akhasha@ppp118-210-116-65.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:30:05 spcartman [~db6ef68f@gateway/web/freenode/x-hnikgdjxrtswrjxt] has joined #lisp 04:31:22 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.67.101] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:31:27 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:31:28 -!- Guest39369 [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fec5:e30a] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:33:38 xristos [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fec5:e30a] has joined #lisp 04:33:38 lpolzer_ [~lpolzer@dslb-088-073-243-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 04:33:42 -!- xristos is now known as Guest19949 04:33:53 -!- potatishandlarn [~potatisha@79.102.5.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:33:54 Wraithan [~wraithan@li76-252.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 04:34:09 recommend json lib? I know there are a few 04:34:11 konr` [~user@201.82.138.3] has joined #lisp 04:35:49 -!- konr [~user@201.82.138.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:38:03 -!- lpolzer__ [~lpolzer@dslb-088-073-201-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:38:19 potatishandlarn [~potatisha@79.102.5.193] has joined #lisp 04:39:33 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 04:40:55 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:41:13 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 04:44:26 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:46:55 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@119.224.32.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:48:31 -!- abugosh [~Adium@c-69-140-128-88.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:48:35 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:50 i've used yason with success 04:57:37 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:50 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 04:59:51 Okay, I'm gone for the evening. 04:59:54 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 05:03:35 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-155-194-30.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:44 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 05:12:07 anyone here familiar with cl-sql? 05:14:01 I suspect quite a lot of people here dealt with CLSQL 05:14:36 personally, I found the docs rather satisfactory, though I'm going for different libs. 05:17:47 I'm wondering how I could hook into code that interprets data. Specifically, I am working with MSSQL via FreeTDS and CLSQL properly recognizes and parses the data type "int", but turns "bit" columns into strings (when they are 0 or 1) 05:18:51 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has joined #lisp 05:21:16 Good morning! 05:28:01 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:32:27 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:14 beach: 'morning! 05:41:59 konr`` [~user@201.82.138.3] has joined #lisp 05:42:54 -!- nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43:09 nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 05:43:31 -!- easyE [NafeLgQYFX@panix3.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:44:10 -!- konr` [~user@201.82.138.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:48:27 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 05:50:07 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-229.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:51:43 Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-196-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:52:30 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:17 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 06:00:24 freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has joined #lisp 06:01:57 ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has joined #lisp 06:06:49 ericklc [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 06:06:49 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:09:42 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:13:06 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:34 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 06:14:27 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 06:19:58 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-196-26.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 06:20:41 lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 06:21:58 Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 06:24:02 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:26:23 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vidrnxocyhxiecjp] has left #lisp 06:29:22 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-32-109-108.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:31:16 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:34:34 Kolyan [~nartamono@95-26-244-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 06:37:13 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-26-244-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 06:37:34 HG` [~HG@xdslex255.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:37:39 -!- Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Shaftoe] 06:40:10 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslex255.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 06:40:26 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:49:08 toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-137-111.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:18 -!- rrice [~rrice@99.164.42.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:56:10 -!- ericklc [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:56:14 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: bombshelter13b] 06:57:26 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 07:00:30 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:51 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 07:02:17 -!- enthymene [~kraken@cpe-98-148-35-51.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 07:03:06 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:05:10 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:05:30 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:06:14 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:06:24 Is there a way around slime limit on either return value length or max line length? 07:07:12 I am messing with drakma and a website that likes to put all their html on like 3 lines which disconnects sbcl from slime every time I run the function 07:07:17 -!- Anarch [~olaf@c-67-171-37-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WILL TROLL FOR FOOD] 07:08:05 don't return the whole html? 07:08:46 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.72.60.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 07:08:47 Well it'd be handy if I could see the whole hmlt 07:08:49 html 07:09:19 a minute ago you said you want to limit it 07:09:58 and it disconnects likely because of the wrong character encoding 07:10:49 stassats`: the first question I asked was how to get around slime's limit 07:11:03 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:11:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:11:25 there is no such limit 07:11:46 Well there isn't anything funky with the character encoding, it is just english 07:12:24 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-122-115.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 07:12:28 and sbcl handles it fine when I run the function directly in sbcl 07:12:29 setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:12:42 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 07:13:37 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-157-159-26.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:14:04 Wraithan: try reading it into a variable and then printing limited amounts. 07:14:24 p_l: how does one print limited amounts? (I am still new to lisp) 07:17:28 clhs subseq 07:17:29 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_subseq.htm 07:17:40 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:17:53 you can use it to get a subsequence by stating start and end index, and strings are sequences 07:18:53 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-169-215.net.novis.pt] has left #lisp 07:20:18 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:50 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-215-106.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: night] 07:21:11 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:22:16 don't print it into REPL as a whole - it might blow up 07:26:53 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:31:13 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.73.134] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:31:50 smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:36:03 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 07:38:38 -!- gruseom [~daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 07:38:44 zzkt [~user@ppp118-210-250-162.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:38:55 -!- zzkt [~user@ppp118-210-250-162.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has left #lisp 07:39:55 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 07:41:17 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:43:56 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 07:46:45 Anyone know why when using drakma to connect to facebook it'd tell me I don't have cookies on even though I have my cookie-jar set and I appear to be getting cookies 07:46:57 and my user-agent is set to firefox 07:50:20 gruseom [~daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:39 Soulman [~kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 07:54:14 -!- toekutr [~toekutr@adsl-69-107-137-111.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:54:23 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 07:54:34 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:54:41 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:55:00 gko [~gko@211.22.47.2] has joined #lisp 07:55:01 good morning 08:00:44 mishoo [~mishoo@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:03:38 moin 08:04:51 splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-dmefzjmkjcxguqlz] has joined #lisp 08:04:53 morning 08:05:35 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:08:03 could you write here a simple if condition 08:08:23 i dont get operators 08:10:36 smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:11:44 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 08:11:57 (if dont-get-operators (rafb) (write-code)) 08:12:37 Evet: If only your mother had taught you to read ... 08:14:25 Well, I discovered why facebook is denying me when I use drakma to login, it is because it uses javascript to test for the presense of cookies I believe 08:14:31 guys, you dont have to be rude 08:16:44 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has joined #lisp 08:21:50 -!- mustelo [~james@137.165.245.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:22 iaefai [~iaefai@CPE00195b93b783-CM0012254195d6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 08:23:59 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:24:20 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has joined #lisp 08:26:05 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 08:26:10 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.12.90] has joined #lisp 08:28:06 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:28:32 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:31:16 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:34:18 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 08:35:24 Good morning! 08:36:00 good morning spiaggia! 08:36:29 Guten morgen 08:36:36 moin 08:36:50 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:37:15 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:38:24 hello spiaggia 08:38:37 Wraithan: so find out what the JS does and fake it 08:42:16 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:44:30 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:46:18 merl15 [~merl@188-22-174-192.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 08:47:55 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 08:48:07 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:48:39 tcr [~tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 08:48:42 eq vs eql vs equal vs equalp? 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(just to be sure you are so good at lisp that you can print whatever you want :P) 09:30:28 Axioplase_: no :) 09:30:59 fiveop [~fiveop@g229179168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:31:40 -!- antifuchs [~foobar@baker.boinkor.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 09:32:45 -!- prip [~foo@host2-132-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:34:42 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:35:03 i can! (write-char (char #1=(format nil "~f" pi) (1- (length #1#)))) 09:36:17 nowhere_man [~pierre@lec67-4-82-235-57-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:49 i is not a digit :p 09:39:49 it would seem that the last digit of pi is 3. 09:40:20 -!- Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:33 i can also print the answer to everything: (write (* 6 9) :base 13) 09:41:39 someone found 2700000000000th decimal digit of pi 09:41:45 and broke orld record 09:42:10 the only thing supercomputers are good at 09:43:04 -!- iaefai [~iaefai@CPE00195b93b783-CM0012254195d6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #lisp 09:44:21 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has joined #lisp 09:45:06 stassats`: err. the guy did it with a single desktop pc 09:46:08 the prev world record was 2577..., and calculated by 640 computers, each had 4 amd opterons 09:47:27 -!- GammaRays [~user@77.246.230.163] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:47 GammaRays [~user@77.246.230.163] has joined #lisp 09:48:24 -!- ASau``` [~user@77.246.230.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:50:14 "My computation used a single Core i7 Quad Core CPU at 2.93 GHz" 09:51:08 that's great, but let's not dive into details, since this isn't really on topic 09:51:08 -!- Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:51:46 ASau``` [~user@77.246.230.163] has joined #lisp 09:51:50 -!- xinming [~hyy@218.73.137.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:53:06 stassats`: how can you say math is off topic in a programming language chan 09:53:44 Evet: simply 09:53:55 xinming [~hyy@218.73.137.46] has joined #lisp 09:57:26 -!- nipra [~nipra@121.243.225.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:47 stassats`: ive asked for syntax :p 09:59:41 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 10:02:35 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:05 -!- bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-196.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:04:54 freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has joined #lisp 10:05:09 benny` [~benny@i577A7C9B.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 10:05:17 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 10:05:49 bizarrefish [~lee@host86-160-44-109.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:06:29 -!- benny` is now known as benny 10:07:14 -!- xinming [~hyy@218.73.137.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:30 xinming [~hyy@218.73.137.46] has joined #lisp 10:07:52 prip [~foo@host203-129-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:08:46 Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has joined #lisp 10:08:48 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:33 -!- hybrid_mind [~hybrid_mi@unaffiliated/hybrid-mind/x-023851] has quit [Quit: hybrid_mind] 10:12:06 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:10 blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 10:12:59 unicode [~user@95.214.2.167] has joined #lisp 10:14:09 gozek [~quassel@85.52.166.111] has joined #lisp 10:15:31 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 10:17:03 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.122.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:19:50 Krystof [~csr21@94-195-207-239.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:20:45 moshisushi [~henry@h-121-175.A254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 10:23:12 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:25:09 -!- Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:33:06 spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has joined #lisp 10:33:42 Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has joined #lisp 10:33:45 kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-32-109-108.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 10:34:22 borism [~boris@213-35-235-6-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 10:36:50 -!- Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:28 Axius_ [~fd@92.82.95.47] has joined #lisp 10:40:58 -!- gko [~gko@211.22.47.2] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 10:41:08 -!- madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:42:43 *frodef* can't seem to reach www.google.com ..? 10:42:53 madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 10:43:08 are you in China? 10:43:12 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:43:28 stassats`: next best thing; norway. 10:43:54 *p_l* been wondering how effective an ISP boycott of a country could be 10:45:51 is there a country that never blocked a website? 10:48:10 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 10:50:49 Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 10:54:46 -!- Axius_ [~fd@92.82.95.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:18 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:57:02 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:57:44 Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has joined #lisp 10:58:39 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:58:45 local problem, it seems. 11:05:29 -!- spcartman [~db6ef68f@gateway/web/freenode/x-hnikgdjxrtswrjxt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:07:04 -!- Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:57 Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 11:13:19 Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has joined #lisp 11:16:06 -!- Axius [~fd@92.82.95.47] has quit [Client Quit] 11:17:59 -!- GammaRays [~user@77.246.230.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:20:38 GammaRays [~user@77.246.230.163] has joined #lisp 11:21:13 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:39 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:22:07 Evet: I was thinking more along the lines of all edge routers on international links to a country getting blackholed 11:26:48 wormwood_ [~wormwood@pool-141-155-21-17.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:26:54 I have a few .png files and I'd like to make an animated png out of them 11:27:04 Anyone knows what's the right tool for that? 11:27:32 tcr: i think there is a mozilla plugin for that 11:27:47 you can animate pngs? 11:27:52 <_8david> .oO(there are animated pngs?) 11:27:56 what, no xach-tool for that? 11:27:57 tcr: i would like to add that to zpng, but if you send a patch that does it, i will apply it! 11:28:05 there are animated pngs. 11:28:17 mozilla has published a document about the file format 11:28:41 does anyone but firefox support them? 11:28:57 I think Opera does. 11:28:59 I don't mind converting them to gifs 11:29:04 the mozilla page lists the support 11:29:06 gifs should die. 11:29:15 sebyte [~sebyte@213.229.74.8] has joined #lisp 11:29:20 -!- wormwood [~wormwood@pool-70-23-80-50.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:29:23 all my lisp money is from gifs, so i hope they don't die. 11:29:51 How do I do it with gifs? It's a bunch of screenshots showing M-x slime-query-replace-system in action 11:30:02 always wanted to blog about it but never came to it 11:30:20 slime-query-replace-system? 11:30:20 tcr: convert them to gif with "convert foo1.png foo1.gif", etc 11:30:21 wassat do? 11:30:33 tcr: then you can use skippy to load each gif file and emit a single animated gif 11:30:45 tcr: or other, lesser tools might be available on the command-line... 11:31:07 billstclair [~billstcla@dsl-216-227-57-230.taconic.net] has joined #lisp 11:31:07 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@dsl-216-227-57-230.taconic.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:31:07 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 11:31:14 are you sure imagemagick doesn't? 11:31:22 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-75-83-150-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: lemonodor] 11:31:35 i'd prefer a video, i hate long animated gifs 11:31:43 Is skippy available from some repo? Seems I have a tarball 11:31:51 It's not long, it's 8 frames 11:32:10 Animated gifs are just perfect for that kind of thing 11:33:19 tcr: http://git.xach.com/ has it 11:33:55 morning all, is there a well-known library function that does the opposite of PAIRLIS? 11:34:43 there's a well-known idiom that i've forgotten just now 11:35:13 so not *too* well-known, anyway. 11:35:30 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:36:00 hmm I never think of using PAIRLIS but just use (MAPCAR #'LIST keys data) 11:36:12 or CONS rather 11:36:51 :) just asking... writing my own will be fun... should I call it SILRIAP though?... hmm, I think not 11:37:06 (loop for (key . value) in alist collect key into keys collect value into values finally (return (values keys values))) 11:37:07 ZIP 11:37:34 stassats`: you've just ruined my morning 11:38:06 Joreji [~thomas@81-014.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 11:39:15 Axius [~fd@92.82.76.52] has joined #lisp 11:39:16 also (vlues (mapcar #'car alist) (mapcar #'cdr alist)), but less efficient 11:39:45 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-67-26-179.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:40:03 might be more efficient on clisp :-) 11:40:19 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-32-109-108.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:25 cmm [~cmm@109.67.26.179] has joined #lisp 11:40:33 kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-32-109-108.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 11:46:27 -!- ubii [~ubii@207-119-123-149.stat.centurytel.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:47:43 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Quit: Odin-] 11:51:48 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 11:55:07 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:55:26 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:56:01 b4|hraban [~b4@a83-163-41-120.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 11:59:16 Is it wrong of me to feel a quiet flush of pride when I read "Common Lisp's userbase has become one of the most bitter, self-important cesspools of snobbery the programming world has ever seen"? 12:00:23 yay to smug lisp weenies! 12:05:57 -!- Xof [~crhodes@158.223.51.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12:24 -!- splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-ouelqacnixxrolwv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:02 fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:17:32 splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-htqctwmlrwumjpuu] has joined #lisp 12:24:18 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:26:59 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@nomad50181.netlogon.lu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:38 easyE [NpnJ6NSlWv@panix3.panix.com] has joined #lisp 12:28:27 splittist: haha where did you read that? 12:29:15 moshisushi: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1168133 12:33:05 Xof [~crhodes@158.223.51.79] has joined #lisp 12:38:15 is that the douchewiener comment? 12:38:39 yep 12:38:49 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:54 didn't even bother to reply to it when i saw it 12:39:16 only thing worse than a doucheweiner is a sensitive douche 12:39:21 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 12:40:23 it's a friken programming language, not the salvation army 12:40:31 splittist: that guy should stay aviod the internet for his own good 12:40:41 -stay 12:40:47 avoid* 12:40:49 clearly, if we want lisp to prosper we should solve more homework problems 12:40:53 douchecrap i can't spell today 12:42:04 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:04 -!- bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:04 -!- Helheim [~helheim@93.186.169.24] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:04 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-44-82-249-237-1.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:04 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@48.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:05 -!- lukjad86 [~lukjadOO7@unaffiliated/lukjad007] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:05 -!- randa [~arand@94.99.50.84.sta.estpak.ee] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:05 -!- porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:05 -!- rullie [~rullie@bas4-toronto47-1279405764.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:05 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@saga.ftbfs.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:42:18 I like the way so many people seem to have such strong opinions about the 'lisp community'. 12:42:25 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:42:58 perl has given birth to a culture of entitlement; and the all consuming, nothing giving back masses are the first one to jump ship to the next programming language that solves their day-job problems out of the box. 12:43:09 I think there's some truth in it, like in many of the typical newbie complaints 12:44:01 tcr: my opinion is, if you think lispers are rude, then by all means slit your throat and and rub salt on it. and i say that as a friendly lisper who welcomes all~ 12:44:23 that's true that bad questions are treated bad 12:44:57 -!- tic [~tic@c83-249-194-61.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:04 *fusss* hopes all know #\~ is the universal marker for sarcasm,at least in myspace and other teenage hangouts where he lurks~ 12:45:08 I wouldn't call the community embracing, neither for new people nor to new ideas 12:45:25 lukjad86 [~lukjadOO7@unaffiliated/lukjad007] has joined #lisp 12:45:41 tcr: show me one new idea that doesn't suck 12:45:56 show me a new idea? 12:46:04 pragma__ [~pragma@blackshell.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:14 Ri-_ [~ubuntu@ec2-204-236-161-121.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:25 pretty much every problem has been solved in some context, but that doesn't mean re-implementing the solution is bad in another context 12:46:32 -!- pragma__ is now known as Guest75069 12:46:33 routes, a clos-based replacement for pathnames. my pet project for now. 12:46:36 franki- [~franki@unaffiliated/franki] has joined #lisp 12:46:37 this seems to be a hard concept for quite a few lispers 12:46:49 a hard idea to grasp 12:46:55 _bakkdoor [~bakkdoor@s15229144.onlinehome-server.info] has joined #lisp 12:46:57 guaqua: where is the web-application DSL, a la sinatra? 12:47:19 hunchentoot has 90% of it, but missing 10% of syntatic sugar and nicetities 12:47:30 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:47:31 Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 Helheim [~helheim@93.186.169.24] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-44-82-249-237-1.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 jmbr [~jmbr@48.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 randa [~arand@94.99.50.84.sta.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 rullie [~rullie@bas4-toronto47-1279405764.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 12:47:31 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@saga.ftbfs.de] has joined #lisp 12:47:34 yes 12:47:35 *fusss* did not mean "nice tities" 12:48:14 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:31 any cl + cliki stuff do 90% of the stuff 90% of the time; the right is just picking nit 12:49:08 alright, i am called into bed 12:49:10 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 12:49:41 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 12:50:14 Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 12:50:20 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:50:37 -!- pragma_ [~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:50:37 -!- krappie [~brain@mx.skitzo.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:50:37 -!- gonzojive [~red@condi.Stanford.EDU] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:50:37 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:50:37 -!- franki^ [~franki@unaffiliated/franki] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:50:38 -!- Ri- [~ubuntu@ec2-204-236-161-121.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:50:38 -!- bakkdoor [~bakkdoor@s15229144.onlinehome-server.info] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:51:07 Xach: A datastream may contain multiple images which are then displayed in motion; but an image itself may consists of a data stream consisting of multiple images? 12:51:44 hm no 12:51:49 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:03 is the :data-stream argument to make-image just a backpointer? 12:52:20 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:53:10 merl15_ [~merl@188-22-27-32.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 12:56:49 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:15 -!- merl15 [~merl@188-22-174-192.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:57:54 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:58:13 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 12:58:38 -!- Reaver1 [~Joachim@212.88.117.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:00:08 gonzojive [~red@condi.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 13:00:36 -!- dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:00:52 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #lisp 13:02:55 tcr: yes 13:03:15 tcr: in GIF terminology, the data stream is the container and the image is the raster data for a single image 13:03:18 plus metadata 13:03:29 -!- dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Client Quit] 13:03:31 (defun load-image (file) (last-image (load-data-source file))) is that sober? 13:03:34 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #lisp 13:03:38 yes 13:04:28 -!- splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-htqctwmlrwumjpuu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:05:24 -!- dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:34 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #lisp 13:06:55 tic [~tic@c83-249-194-61.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:10:03 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.18.242] has joined #lisp 13:15:28 spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has joined #lisp 13:17:15 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:17:28 hm 13:17:57 that does not create an image with a color-table, and trying to save a data-stream, I get an error regarding that 13:20:02 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-32-109-108.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:20:34 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:23:43 -!- Axius [~fd@92.82.76.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:25:05 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 13:25:35 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:39 G'morning all. 13:27:31 yay it works! 13:27:39 tcr: yay 13:27:51 url? 13:28:18 tcr: next step is to add optimization by minimizing the image data for changes between frames... 13:28:58 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.65.151] has joined #lisp 13:29:02 demmeln [~Adium@lapradig96.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #lisp 13:30:17 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 13:30:40 I'd like to get a flicker when switching from last frame to first frame 13:32:09 you could add a blank image 13:32:11 all-white, that is 13:34:14 Axius [~hi@92.82.70.69] has joined #lisp 13:34:56 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.26.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:35:04 When I have a plist that goes over several lines, I wouldn't like to indent the second line as if the first keyword is a function, and align the rest of the key/values with the second element in the list. 13:35:11 cmm [~cmm@109.67.26.179] has joined #lisp 13:35:41 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:05 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:10 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:37:45 (:key1 "val1" \n (-> indent) :key2 "val2). Here :key2 will be aligned with "val1" not :key1. 13:37:57 Any fix to that? 13:38:06 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.65.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:38:20 clhs pprint 13:38:21 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_wr_pr.htm 13:39:11 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:39:19 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qtntayzpwlojwyjc] has joined #lisp 13:39:27 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:39:27 myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:52 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:40:15 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 13:40:45 egoz [~Egoz@118.96.226.201] has joined #lisp 13:41:04 kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066163.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #lisp 13:41:19 -!- egoz [~Egoz@118.96.226.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:25 -!- GammaRays [~user@77.246.230.163] has left #lisp 13:41:39 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:51 stassats`: it that for me? 13:41:58 perhaps 13:42:43 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7C9B.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:00 I should probably say that I want this in my editor emacs. 13:43:09 and I'm using slime 13:43:20 quite useful information, it think. 13:43:30 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:43:34 if it should be possible to answer my question. 13:44:24 That's emacs fuckup 13:44:39 you have to indent the second by hand 13:44:46 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Client Quit] 13:45:25 it seems 13:45:31 why is it not fixed? Is it to difficult, or just not that big problem? 13:45:39 it seems to me that emacs indents it fine 13:45:58 maybe I should change indent-function? 13:46:09 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066163.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:29 -!- Axius [~hi@92.82.70.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:30 knobo: Emacs does not know really know the syntax of source-code 13:47:31 emacs indents keys under keys for me 13:48:12 stassats`: but that is if you have a function first. like (list :key 'val :key 'val) 13:48:24 no 13:49:06 Try `(:foo bar \n :quux 12) 13:49:09 stassats` pasted "plist indentation" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/95961 13:49:23 that's how it looks for me 13:49:30 yes that's because you use ' 13:49:34 aha, now I see. in most cases it does it right. this is some macro trouble 13:49:46 heuristically what comes after QUOTE is data 13:49:52 and what comes after backquote is code 13:50:17 because it's difficult for emacs to know what's a macro and what's not. and then not knowing what the list is used for after. 13:50:29 spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has joined #lisp 13:50:32 I get it. 13:50:49 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:50:49 plutonas [~plutonas@nomad50181.netlogon.lu.se] has joined #lisp 13:51:09 it's easy to know what is a macro, it's harder to know what gets evaluated and what is not 13:52:09 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:54:56 borism_ [~boris@213-35-234-24-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 13:56:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:47 stassats`: not always if it is a macro either, most of the time probably yes. 13:56:48 Xach: http://common-lisp.net/~trittweiler/foo.gif 13:57:07 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:57:27 nice 13:57:56 -!- borism [~boris@213-35-235-6-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:58:10 mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has joined #lisp 13:58:21 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:58:36 kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066174.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #lisp 13:58:42 tcr pasted "animated gif code" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/95963 14:00:40 tcr: gimp has a plug-in called "animation optimize" that will remove redundancy and shrink the GIF size 14:01:51 Does Gimp has an command-event-loop? 14:01:54 have 14:02:12 tcr: sort of 14:02:26 it has a scheme repl 14:02:40 well I mean M-x with completion 14:03:14 no 14:03:31 no idea how I should find out where that animation optimize tool is 14:04:07 ah got it 14:05:14 lukego [~lukegorri@212.112.174.86] has joined #lisp 14:05:39 hm if I open the file with gimp, an empty image is shown 14:05:56 howdy! I just added a project to clbuild (gzip-stream) and need to record its dependencies. should I just do a full checkout, recompute dependencies, and checkin the new dependencies file? or should I ask someone in particular to do that? 14:06:16 splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-nuulevtjjwrukxpz] has joined #lisp 14:06:37 tcr: empty? or white? 14:06:47 tcr: it is showing you the final frame 14:07:39 Alabaman [~badgerfac@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 14:08:26 well I tried the optimize thing and saved it but that resulted in just the final image 14:08:39 I don't mind its current size so I'll leave it as is 14:08:59 ok 14:09:07 it is only about a 1/3rd savings anyway 14:09:47 multiply by millions of slime users and will be some serious bandwidth savings 14:10:53 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:12:47 rrice [~rrice@adsl-99-164-42-2.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:58 has anybody tried single stepping with emacs23 on a terminal? ( here it is possible, but after every step the sldb window is hidden by the repl and the source window) 14:14:05 Single stepping is usually not used. I always wanted to take a look at it and perhaps improve it but haven't come around 14:15:17 the funny thing is, that it works perfectly with the gtk gui 14:15:24 jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-4-254.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:15 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 14:16:21 stettberger: it sometimes works, and then sometimes it doesn't 14:16:24 seemingly at random :) 14:16:38 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:16:49 (on sbcl, at least) 14:17:05 i have also sbcl here 14:18:00 does anyone know if there are any opensource cl implementations that can make packages like lispworks? 14:18:05 rsynnott: I blame your debug optimization settings. 14:18:17 nyef: that's quite possible, actually 14:18:39 though at some point I tried on full debug, no speed/space optimisations 14:18:41 There's some debug setting "insert step conditions" somewhere. 14:18:51 with that, the _first_ attempt to step usually worked, but it broke after that 14:18:58 How odd. 14:18:58 ah, didn't realise there were special ones 14:19:02 nice to know 14:19:23 (though in practice I rarely bother with step debugging anyway; it's one of these things that sounds more useful than it is) 14:19:30 nyef: no, stepping under sbcl is broken, even without slime 14:19:36 Ah, okay. 14:19:46 when I was writing up my els tutorial, I wanted to include stepping, but I couldn't make it work 14:19:52 and I tried fairly hard 14:20:02 PuffTheMagic_: what are you looking for in a package-like-lispworks? 14:20:05 Then there's stuff like unwind-to-frame-and-call-vop, which only exists on x86oids. 14:20:11 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:26 Krystof: what do you mean by not working? 14:20:59 Xach: i want to make 1 file which i can distribute and people just click and run 14:21:06 (And is cheaper than the equivalent on other targets, but still not free, while free would be possible if we had table-based unwind... Or a certain minimal amount of debug info that I haven't figured out yet.) 14:21:52 PuffTheMagic_: a windows thing? 14:22:40 im thinking of a static binary on linux or windows and a .app folder/package (sorry im new ot macs) for OSX 14:22:59 The OSX version would be easier, as that actually -is- just a directory. 14:23:38 PuffTheMagic_: there's a clickable game called XONG that uses SBCL on the mac 14:23:44 Linux doesn't do the whole single-file clicky application thing anyway. 14:23:46 PuffTheMagic_: you might find some inspiration in how that's managed 14:24:04 nyef: well, it CAN, sort of :) 14:24:12 Sure, it can. 14:24:16 PuffTheMagic_: i wrote a program for sbcl called "buildapp" that makes it easy to use sbcl's built-in single-file executable support -- http://xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ has some info 14:24:26 PuffTheMagic_: but that's more for command-line programs. 14:24:41 And I'm sure that some maniac will find a way to bind a filesystem into an SBCL executable. 14:24:51 nyef: i would very much like to do that. 14:24:54 but i'm no maniac! 14:24:59 Xach: well a console app would be a start 14:25:00 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:25:02 so maybe i won't manage it. 14:25:12 PuffTheMagic_: check out buildapp for sbcl. works pretty well for me. 14:25:35 Xach: im just getting into lisp for school 14:25:40 tsuru`` [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:45 and my lab does all there stuff with Lispworks 14:25:47 billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 14:25:47 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Changing host] 14:25:47 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:25:50 and i am a pure OSS fan 14:25:54 Xach: Well, the first part is to declare that a particular host (possibly an LP-host, but more likely a PP-host) causes CL:OPEN to produce a different sort of stream (not an fd-stream)... 14:25:57 PuffTheMagic_: lispworks is pretty awesome. 14:26:12 Xach: And that's actually the hard bit. 14:26:14 nyef: i also need hooks for probe-file, truename, directory, etc... 14:26:20 Xach: $2500 isnt so awesome 14:26:20 Sure, sure. 14:26:27 Xach: and CAPI isnt so awesome 14:26:31 compared to QT 14:26:41 Qt isn't awesome eitehr. 14:26:41 which would bt crossplatform 14:26:45 PuffTheMagic_: Well, people write programs with CAPI that sell for way more than $2,500. 14:27:01 Xach: yeah im sure 14:27:05 but again, 14:27:11 i do opensource 14:27:32 More power to you. The tools aren't as good for not-Lispworks CL platforms for that kind of thing. 14:27:35 PuffTheMagic_: well, more than $2500 for your usecase 14:27:45 $2500 _per platform_ 14:29:10 Xach: Still, that side of things is the problem, not the actual cramming of stuff into the image. 14:29:53 benny [~benny@i577A7C9B.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:29:54 -!- lithper2_ [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100214235838]] 14:31:00 -!- demmeln [~Adium@lapradig96.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has left #lisp 14:32:04 TDT [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 14:32:54 ... Oh, how nice it would be to be able to at least have generic functions in cold-init. 14:36:09 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066174.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:23 demmeln1 [~Adium@lapradig96.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:27 -!- demmeln1 [~Adium@lapradig96.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has left #lisp 14:37:01 -!- myu2 [~myu2@161.90.128.210.bf.2iij.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:37:34 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 14:40:08 kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066174.public.t-mobile.at] has joined #lisp 14:42:56 -!- JuanDaugherty [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 14:45:39 -!- kwinz3 [~kwinz@213162066174.public.t-mobile.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:39 kwinz3 [~kwinz@d86-32-109-108.cust.tele2.at] has joined #lisp 14:48:28 TR2N [email@89.180.184.106] has joined #lisp 14:50:11 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-44-82-249-237-1.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:51:45 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 14:51:51 krappie [~brain@mx.skitzo.org] has joined #lisp 14:53:50 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-60-82-254-229-125.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:15 plage [~user@salle008.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has joined #lisp 15:00:19 Good afternoon! 15:00:22 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Quit: Odin-] 15:00:32 plage: Good morning! 15:00:52 good evening! 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It seems to be made up of English words in a grammatical order, but I don't understand what it is trying to say. I was assuming the DE made sense. I will see if Norvig can do any better (: 15:24:31 I see. 15:28:59 (hmm. not really an improvement.) 15:29:35 sledge [~sledge@pdpc/supporter/student/sledge] has joined #lisp 15:30:56 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:35 qamikaz [~alper@88.243.247.136] has joined #lisp 15:34:45 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:31 morning 15:35:36 -!- Guest19949 [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fec5:e30a] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:37:42 xristos [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fec5:e30a] has joined #lisp 15:37:47 -!- xristos is now known as Guest12997 15:38:15 lithper2_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 15:39:48 -!- ASau``` [~user@77.246.230.163] has quit [Quit: off] 15:39:55 -!- lukego [~lukegorri@212.112.174.86] has quit [Quit: lukego] 15:40:54 -!- BrianRice [~briantric@c-76-115-44-87.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: BrianRice] 15:41:50 -!- naiv [~naiv@ARennes-553-1-100-101.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:42:11 Axius [~hi@92.82.77.249] has joined #lisp 15:44:58 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:25 -!- merl15_ [~merl@188-22-27-32.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45:25 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 15:45:36 leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:46:01 hello slyrus 15:47:49 -!- migge__ is now known as migge 15:47:56 Time to go. See you later perhaps. 15:47:59 -!- plage [~user@salle008.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has left #lisp 15:48:10 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:49:22 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 15:49:28 cl-json is escaping my / when encoding strings. I want to send
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... <\/div> 15:51:53 booh 15:52:11 blogspot does not seem correctly deal with animated gifs 15:52:58 uh it converts them to .pngs 15:53:26 boo 15:53:47 knobo: isn't that correct json escaping? 15:55:04 ok, so I have to unescape it on the client. 15:55:28 knobo: that would be my guess 16:01:13 when I run slime-run-tests, there are 17 failures with 1 expected. 16:01:40 yeah that's normal 16:02:47 ok. although it seems most of the failures are not trivial. 16:04:06 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:31 It's shitty software all the way down 16:04:32 -!- madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:04:56 spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has joined #lisp 16:05:17 -!- b4|hraban [~b4@a83-163-41-120.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:35 slime-run-tests results usually differ for me from run to run 16:07:30 I put it down to the bitter self-importance and snobbery of the community, frankly. 16:08:18 Which community is this? 16:08:32 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has left #lisp 16:09:28 tcr: are you describing slime? 16:10:27 not exclusively 16:12:11 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:12:21 lithper2__ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 16:15:04 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.49] has joined #lisp 16:15:11 -!- lithper2_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:34 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:17:21 -!- HG` [~HG@85.8.90.55] has quit [Quit: HG`] 16:17:40 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@41.130.42.219] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 16:17:59 Anyone else doing project euler stuff in Common Lisp? 16:18:25 -!- lithper2__ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 16:18:31 BrianRice [~briantric@c-76-115-44-87.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:42 i did some time ago 16:18:46 TDT: my impression is: lots 16:18:55 TDT: they all seem to be doing it solo and documenting it in their blogs 16:19:29 rickmode [~rickmode@cpe-76-167-41-163.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:19:32 splittist_ [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-zlbmkhzftuiqvhxm] has joined #lisp 16:19:58 -!- BrianRice [~briantric@c-76-115-44-87.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:38 -!- splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-nuulevtjjwrukxpz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:21:09 Xach: Yeah, I was kind ahoping more were doing it..I've been avoiding looking up anything on people's blogs in fear of finding out the answer before I solve it myself on probelms. 16:21:12 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 16:21:34 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:01 One thing that's been kinda in the back of my brain is a lot of these general solutions would make a decent general library. 16:22:35 which would parse a problem description and solve it? 16:22:47 -!- splittist_ is now known as splittist 16:24:21 no no, I mean some of the general stuff such as traversing a tree, doing look ahead, supporting really a SBE, that kinda stuff...plus the computing primes, numbers to words, that kinda stuff. 16:24:48 cl-euler 16:24:52 I'm sure parts of this already exist, I've been making a habit of writing everything the hard way to facilitate learning better 16:25:03 you're kidding me...haha, Ok I'm going to look that up right now 16:25:17 no, that is not a real thing 16:26:03 ah, yeah something like that may not be bad but leaving out the answers themselves..just the library to make computing the answers a little easier. 16:26:32 mathematica? 16:27:17 Some people are using mathematica for this, but I'm not sure how the answers are coming out in that. I really don't know that much about mathematica except for some of the really basic stuff. 16:27:22 hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-114-171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:27:45 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@nomad50181.netlogon.lu.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:57 that depends on your goals, whether you're interesting in mathematics or in programming 16:27:58 or both 16:27:58 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 16:28:50 i'm bad at mathematics, so i bruteforced my way through 16:28:53 In this case both, I'm using project euler to help with algorithms knowledge, getting better at CL, and understanding math a bit better. It's been fairly helpful so far that I can't just write something sloppy and expect it to actually finish within a few days. 16:29:20 myu2 [~myu2@KD114020041137.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:30:10 -!- trebor_home [~user@dslb-084-058-248-247.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:30:25 math is something I'd like to get a bit better at..I'm hoping project euler will help with that, at least reading the forums afterwards and getting a feel for how others are doing it. 16:32:48 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 16:33:54 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD114020041137.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:21 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:39 HG` [~HG@xdslas020.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:36:56 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:37:29 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 16:37:56 lithper2_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 16:38:52 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 16:39:04 lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-75-83-150-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:39:20 -!- Guest75069 [~pragma@blackshell.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:39:21 Guest75069 [~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842] has joined #lisp 16:39:24 -!- Guest75069 is now known as pragma_ 16:40:14 gruseom [~daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:42 -!- Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qnudfjxvxraiotqj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:44:18 myu2 [~myu2@KD114020041200.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:45:38 <^boris> Zhivago: hi 16:48:41 somecodehere [~ingvar@75.186.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 16:49:49 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vplrizfhymrebvfy] has joined #lisp 16:52:20 -!- lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-75-83-150-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: lemonodor] 16:55:19 anyone could import fastcgi module to clisp? 16:55:47 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DDD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:55 -!- reprore [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:37 Evet: I thought there was a couple fastcgi implementations on CL, 16:59:07 Evet: http://www.cliki.net/FastCGI 16:59:41 clisp includes a fastcgi module 17:00:10 *Xach* has never tried it 17:01:48 clisp says 'there is no package with name "FASTCGI"' 17:02:59 <_3b> Evet: package != module 17:03:06 http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/fastcgi.html 17:04:00 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:04:21 Wraithan: "It is necessary to download the FastCGI developers' kit, build it, and install it, before building CLISP with FastCGI support." is the only information about building 17:04:26 which doesnt help me 17:04:42 Evet: did you do that? 17:04:56 Evet: are you asking how to do that? 17:05:12 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 17:05:19 Xach: i did that 17:06:05 Evet: Ok, well did you bother reading the other options for fastcgi if the clisp specific one doesn't work for you. There is a cross implementation version as well. 17:06:34 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@eris.etla.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:45 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:58 Evet: if your clisp is built and installed with fastcgi support, i believe you can use "clisp -K fastcgi" to start lisp with it loaded. 17:07:16 I don't use clisp or fastcgi, I just knew that there were a couple fastcgi implementations of it 17:08:27 Xach: "clisp: /usr/lib/clisp-2.42/fastcgi/lisp.run: No such file or directory" 17:08:53 Wraithan: what are others, if you remember 17:08:55 Evet: did you build your own clisp? 17:08:58 Evet: clisp -K full 17:10:34 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:11:08 fe[nl]ix: fastcgi functions still doesnt work. i'm downloading source to build my own, as Xach recommended 17:11:19 -!- Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:31 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:13:54 alley_cat [~AlleyCat@p5084F732.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:56 -!- alley_cat [~AlleyCat@p5084F732.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:13:56 alley_cat [~AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has joined #lisp 17:16:15 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:16:45 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:07 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@202.3.77.161] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:17:56 Evet: I linked the cliki article that listed some 17:21:18 Wraithan: ah sorry, thank you 17:24:59 *Evet* wonders clisp provides postgresql support 17:25:49 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:38 perhaps you could google it. 17:27:19 it has its own module for postgresql 17:27:56 i didnt suppose cl provides such productivity 17:30:41 -!- myu2 [~myu2@KD114020041200.ppp.prin.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:47 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:40:41 htk_ [~htk___@unaffiliated/htk-/x-9867211] has joined #lisp 17:43:15 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-qtntayzpwlojwyjc] has left #lisp 17:44:47 Evet: we may be smug and bitter, but we can also be productive. How else to have all that time and energy to chase away newbies? 17:48:09 -!- splittist [~550398d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-zlbmkhzftuiqvhxm] has quit [Quit: Bah, humbug!] 17:48:25 -!- Krystof [~csr21@94-195-207-239.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:50:21 kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:27 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:53:53 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 17:54:55 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:57:09 prxq [~mommer@118.68.252.152] has joined #lisp 17:57:12 hi 17:58:28 demmeln [~Adium@dslb-094-216-032-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:01 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483DDD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:07 -!- demmeln [~Adium@dslb-094-216-032-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 18:06:56 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:07:19 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082C1CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:03 sorry i wasnt trying to insult 18:10:00 Evet: that was a reference to a critique of common lisp community 18:10:14 Evet: there's a good postgres library called postmodern. I use it quite a lot 18:10:34 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082D983.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:11:53 nickjd [~76ed8f62@gateway/web/freenode/x-qinrhmmpwaefohlc] has joined #lisp 18:13:50 -!- reprore [~reprore@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:53 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:15:14 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@75.186.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:11 -!- gozek [~quassel@85.52.166.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:36 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756373.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:17 milanj [~milan@77.46.174.117] has joined #lisp 18:20:05 -!- nijm [~nick@94-195-227-153.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:55 -!- nickjd [~76ed8f62@gateway/web/freenode/x-qinrhmmpwaefohlc] has quit [Quit: #tex] 18:22:03 nickjd [~76ed8f62@gateway/web/freenode/x-mldwlnvzajecnbhh] has joined #lisp 18:23:43 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 18:25:18 swathanthran [~user@unaffiliated/shyam-k/x-8459115] has joined #lisp 18:27:40 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:29:12 -!- prxq [~mommer@118.68.252.152] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:33 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:30:26 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:31:20 where is the latest clx repo? darcs get http://common-lisp.net/~crhodes/clx only has 0.7.2 and the cliki tarball says 0.7.4... 18:31:49 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:38 -!- hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:33:58 -!- milanj [~milan@77.46.174.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:34:53 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:35:08 hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has joined #lisp 18:37:35 Axius [~fd@92.84.2.253] has joined #lisp 18:37:39 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 18:37:42 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.65] has joined #lisp 18:37:49 Fare: where in this darcs repo is written that it's 0.7.2? 18:38:08 clx.asd 18:38:30 milanj [~milan@93.87.249.171] has joined #lisp 18:38:43 Fare: the same is in the cliki tarball 18:38:55 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:39:13 the NEWS file says 0.7.3 18:39:16 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslas020.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:39:26 % diff -r clx ~/clx-0.7.4 => Only in clx: _darcs 18:39:36 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Client Quit] 18:39:55 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:40:51 Stattrav [~Stattrav@202.3.77.161] has joined #lisp 18:40:59 thanks a lot! 18:43:12 ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:48:11 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48:32 -!- hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:49:20 splittist [~joe@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 18:49:29 hicx174 [~hicx174@211.187.100.115] has joined #lisp 18:53:35 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:53:47 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 18:56:44 mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:00:25 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-229.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 19:01:08 gonzojive_ [~red@c-76-21-113-242.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:11 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 19:02:09 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:12 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:45 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:48 <^boris> whats recommended more, sbcl or clisp? 19:05:54 sbcl 19:06:01 <^boris> ok thanks 19:06:14 ^boris: SBCL. CLISP works on more platforms, but SBCL is IMHO better :-) 19:06:16 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:06:34 <^boris> p_l: cool im only concerned with linux and x86_64/x86 19:06:42 <^boris> looks like it works good on it 19:07:38 i use it on intel linux and it works very well. 19:09:22 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:09:32 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:12:58 ^boris: SBCL works best on those 19:15:45 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:09 -!- Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:20:54 -!- bytecolor [~user@adsl-70-133-76-237.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:22:26 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 19:27:39 freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 19:28:47 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:45 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 19:31:03 -!- tcr [~tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has left #lisp 19:32:35 p_l: And what about Closure? 19:34:22 Clozure CL or Clojure? 19:34:47 Closure, the web-browser? 19:35:13 namespace contamination. 19:35:41 I meant Clozure CL. 19:36:00 clozure cl is a sweet lisp. 19:37:02 sweet lisp o'mine ... 19:37:35 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 19:39:38 pbusser: I see ambiguity of english at play, I guess. 19:40:21 p_l: Ambiguity of memory sounds more likely. :-) 19:40:22 CCL works fine on x86-64 on linux, iirc it was the more stable port, but I just don't have too much experience with it. I find SBCL easy to setup though :) 19:41:16 pbusser: the sentence SBCL works best on those could be, at least to my understanding, interpreted as "(those) are the platform SBCL works best on" or "SBCL is best choice on those)" 19:41:23 -!- pbusser [~pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:40 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:44 pbusser [~pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:42:18 p_l: SBCL is fine. But its core files are huge and take a lot of time to load. 19:42:42 lukego [~lukegorri@c-c725e655.1410-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:42:43 hybrid_mind [~hybrid_mi@unaffiliated/hybrid-mind/x-023851] has joined #lisp 19:43:16 PuffTheMagic_: which has a small core file? 19:43:28 -!- tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:42 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:46:03 leo2007: hmm... ECL? 19:46:27 ok 19:46:29 Good night everyone! 19:46:31 -!- pbusser [~pbusser@ip138-238-174-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:46:50 -!- Axius [~fd@92.84.2.253] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:48:05 Axius [~fd@92.84.2.253] has joined #lisp 19:50:29 -!- konr`` is now known as konr 19:53:51 is elisp close to lisp 1.5? 19:55:16 not really, afaik 19:55:25 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:24 -!- tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:57:59 wvdschel [~wim@d51A4A968.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:58:45 tltstc [~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:02:21 Is there a slime refactoring contrib somewhere? Things like rename, recompile all macro expansions etc? 20:03:33 <_3b> bobbysmith007: have you looked at redshank.el ? 20:03:45 bobbysmith007: http://trittweiler.blogspot.com/2010/03/slime-tidbits-2010-03-05.html 20:04:03 _3b: nope 20:04:05 googling 20:04:16 Thanks 20:04:39 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-83-2.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 20:04:45 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:06:02 -!- zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:46 <_3b> bobbysmith007: also, i think you can compile from xref buffers in slime (for example C-c C-w C-m to list sites that macroexpand a particular macro) 20:07:20 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-148-218.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:21 _3b: that sounds nice 20:07:54 dnolen [~dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 20:09:12 <_3b> yeah, C-c C-k seems to work there, at least for refs with usable source locations 20:09:45 _3b: thats seriously the best emacs foo I have learned all week, thanks! 20:10:06 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-83-2.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:10:18 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-83-2.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 20:12:34 -!- Axius [~fd@92.84.2.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:15:52 jayk [~user@dslb-088-074-201-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:47 hi, what does an undefined-alien-function-error (CFFI) tell me, if the backtrace shows multiple foreign functions at its top? 20:18:22 Wow. I'm doing a bit of ad-hoc something-derived-from-ECMAscript hacking, and I found myself wanting a closure... And having to box the damned thing and close over all of the important variables manually. Ugh. 20:18:39 <_3b> jayk: foreign stuff on the backtrace could be parts of the error handling, so might not mean anything 20:19:15 <_3b> lisppaste: url 20:19:15 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 20:19:25 Axius [~fd@92.84.29.36] has joined #lisp 20:20:19 HG` [~HG@xdslas020.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:20:50 _3b: thank you! 20:23:19 ubii [~ubii@207-119-123-149.stat.centurytel.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:56 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:27:12 gozek [~quassel@87.216.165.56] has joined #lisp 20:28:40 rstandy` [~rastandy@net-93-144-5-59.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 20:29:39 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@net-93-144-48-208.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:29:45 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 20:35:30 slash_ [~Unknown@p4FF0B2B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:30 -!- Axius [~fd@92.84.29.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:39:34 bew [~bew@cpc2-dals16-2-0-cust285.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:42:12 enthymene [~kraken@130.166.209.8] has joined #lisp 20:43:28 -!- bew [~bew@cpc2-dals16-2-0-cust285.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:44:19 bew [~bew@cpc2-dals16-2-0-cust285.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:44:48 francogrex [~user@91.180.210.100] has joined #lisp 20:44:53 Sergio`_ [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 20:45:23 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-114-171.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:08 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:31 -!- Sergio`_ is now known as Sergio` 20:46:56 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: tfb] 20:47:30 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@wlan-gw.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: back home] 20:50:19 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:50:55 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:51:15 varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:52:40 -!- wvdschel [~wim@d51A4A968.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 20:52:57 -!- enthymene [~kraken@130.166.209.8] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 21:00:54 varjagg [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 21:03:15 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:03:51 -!- francogrex [~user@91.180.210.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:53 -!- varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:05:39 Good evening! 21:06:38 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07:42 beach: good evening, beach! :) 21:07:50 Yo beach 21:08:08 It has been very quiet here it seems, no? 21:09:38 Hello beach. 21:09:43 Yes, strangely quiet recently. 21:10:24 Recently as in the past few hours; it was quite active during the day (i.e. some 10 hours ago) 21:10:36 or did you mean a long-term trend, nyef? 21:11:13 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:11:38 beach: it's been a very quiet day on IRC, it seems. 21:12:22 mega1 [~quassel@53d83b03.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 21:12:24 You mean a quiet day on #lisp? :P 21:14:07 slash_: well, and on the other channel's I'm hanging out in. 21:16:52 how to list implementations? 21:17:00 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:26 Implementations of what? 21:17:36 tic: cl 21:17:41 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-122-115.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:01 http://common-lisp.net/~dlw/LispSurvey.html 21:18:42 Xach: i meant, my own cl 21:18:47 -!- wormwood_ is now known as wormwood 21:19:01 lisp-implementation-type ? 21:19:26 Evet: Perhaps you don't mean the same thing as we do when you say "list"? 21:19:59 (list (lisp-implementation-type)) ? 21:20:44 beach: indeed 21:21:04 If I pass command line args to ./clbuild lisp, they all get passed on to the resulting lisp call, right? 21:21:07 i want to show what implementations are installed in my gcl 21:21:30 Evet: er, gcl *is* and implementation. 21:22:01 ah okay, how others called 21:22:04 memcached, postresql 21:22:07 fastcgi, etc 21:22:10 modules? 21:22:19 Alabaman_ [~badgerfac@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 21:22:22 Evet: We call them "systems". 21:22:47 good. is there a way to show systems installed in my implementation? 21:22:55 -!- rullie [~rullie@bas4-toronto47-1279405764.dsl.bell.ca] has left #lisp 21:23:00 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:16 Evet: That depends on the implementation, and you seem to have chosen one that not many people here are using. 21:23:36 Evet: Any reason you chose gcl? 21:24:02 beach: no, just my tutorial lead me that 21:24:09 what many people here are using? 21:24:16 Uh, oh! What tutorial? 21:24:34 dont remember, but bookmarked, minute 21:24:37 Evet: I would guess SBCL would be the most widely used implementation. 21:25:37 -!- Alabaman [~badgerfac@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26:05 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:17 beach: okay, downloading 21:26:25 <_3b> Evet: do you mean gcl or clisp? 21:26:36 _3b: gcl, i have clisp too 21:26:49 <_3b> Evet: ok, just making sure you weren't confusing the 2 21:27:45 Evet: Please download from sbcl.sourceforge.net (as opposed to clc or something else). 21:28:50 ephcon [~ephcon@student167-181.hampshire.edu] has joined #lisp 21:29:07 -!- rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:46 rares [~rares@174-26-81-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:52 -!- bew [~bew@cpc2-dals16-2-0-cust285.hari.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:33:10 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-229.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:33:41 hi, I usually just skip gpg checks with asdf-install, but while trying to install parenscript I got some weird character set crazyness going on which worried me slightly. normal? http://eriknomitch.com/misc/paren.png 21:37:22 -!- jayk [~user@dslb-088-074-201-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 21:38:53 -!- mejja [~user@c-68b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:51 -!- xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:39:53 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslas020.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:59 -!- varjagg is now known as varjag 21:40:29 xenosoz1 [~xenosoz@pe.snu.ac.kr] has joined #lisp 21:42:20 carlocci [~nes@93.37.193.166] has joined #lisp 21:43:57 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 21:45:43 -!- ryepup [~ryepup@216.155.97.1] has left #lisp 21:48:42 -!- Edico [~Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:49:14 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@student167-181.hampshire.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:50:10 -!- splittist [~joe@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Too busy for me!] 21:51:54 -!- gozek [~quassel@87.216.165.56] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 21:56:28 sbahra [~sbahra@2002:62da:45b3:1234:21d:e0ff:fe00:f7ab] has joined #lisp 21:56:31 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:48 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@port-163-adslby-pool46.infonet.by] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:01:27 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229179168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 22:02:09 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-74-68-154-7.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:02 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 22:07:16 -!- swathanthran [~user@unaffiliated/shyam-k/x-8459115] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:33 -!- migge [~marc@ip-95-223-247-31.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:09:13 how to add system to an implement (especially sbcl) :-\ 22:09:34 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-55-212-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:09:40 slyrus__ [~chatzilla@adsl-76-195-3-191.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:42 -!- slyrus__ is now known as slyrus 22:09:45 -!- slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-75-55-212-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:10:14 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 22:10:28 slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-76-195-3-191.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:12 attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 22:13:26 Evet: I recommend using clbuild, see common-lisp.net/project/clbuild 22:13:36 (where is minion anyway?) 22:16:05 ; SB-INT:SIMPLE-READER-PACKAGE-ERROR at 7196 (line 191, column 30) on #: 22:16:05 ; Symbol "WITH-SYMBOL" not found in the SWANK-BACKEND package.; compilation aborted after 0:00:00.130 22:16:12 I just updated SLIME, what gives? 22:16:15 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-145-44.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 22:16:34 did tcr break it? 22:16:50 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756373.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:11 specbot: where's minion? 22:17:21 clhs if 22:17:21 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_if.htm 22:17:34 -!- drewc is now known as minion 22:17:37 -!- minion is now known as drewc 22:17:42 hrm 22:18:46 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:46 -!- specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:28 drewc: minion left at 12:58 or so yesterday. Something about a hockey game. 22:19:46 drewc: are you the creator of cl-org-mode? 22:19:50 didn't know minion was into sports. 22:19:55 LiamH: i am 22:20:33 wgl: probably drunk somewhere... lazy bots 22:20:58 drewc: Nah, just keeps replaying the gold medal olympic game. 22:21:25 drewc: I just got started using org-mode; cl-org-mode looks interesting to me, and so does org-babel. Have you tried org-babel for doing CL? 22:21:49 dmiles [~dmiles@c-24-16-247-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:20 LiamH: no, i haven't. I've played with it, but cl-org-mode does exactly what i want (and then some). 22:22:56 drewc: So something like org-babel is redundant? 22:24:00 *_3b* wonders if org-babel works better than the multi-mode hack i used last time i wanted to mix source in text 22:24:05 LiamH: well, not entirely... i just prefer to work in CL.. there's a lot of overlap, for sure, but org-literate-programming is far from complete. 22:24:23 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-16-245-211.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:24:49 LiamH: i have a neat round-trip feature that i have not yet released that is extremely useful. 22:24:59 drewc: OK, good to know; I'm just trying to sort out what does what, to see what I can best make use of. 22:25:07 drewc: Round-trip feature? 22:25:26 ya ,so you can edit the derived source files and have it update the .org 22:25:45 Ooh. 22:25:46 drewc: ooh, neat. 22:26:03 What'd really be neat is multiple literate views of the same master source tree. 22:26:10 nyef: that's the next step 22:26:27 leo has this, it's called 'cloned nodes', so i know exactly _how_ to do it. 22:26:53 With the source tree as master, not the .orgs, and the option to have some source not in org. 22:26:55 What I do a lot (not yet in org-mode) is little CL snippets which I like to evaluate in CL, with the results returning to the org buffer. 22:26:59 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:33 What I mean to say is I do this manually, and I'd like to do it automatically. 22:28:03 <_3b> can't tell from skimming the page... does org-babel let you interact with the embedded CL with slime commands? 22:28:31 LiamH: it's a trivial extension to the cl-org-mode stuff really, but org-bable does that built in 22:28:39 _3b: org supports that natively really 22:28:41 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:42 _3b: that was going to be my question, more like, can org-babel use swank? 22:29:07 drewc: OK, good to know. 22:29:07 just C-c ' in an SRC block, it opens a buffer in the mode of that block 22:29:17 enthymene [~kraken@130.166.209.8] has joined #lisp 22:29:31 <_3b> drewc: ah, interesting... not quite as nice as multi-mode, but probably more reliable :) 22:29:38 but, what i do, and this is brilliant imo :P, is M-x slime-mode in the .org buffer 22:29:59 -!- varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:30:03 drewc: Cool, when will it be released? 22:30:09 then it seems to usually get the correct package. 22:31:32 LiamH: the round-trip stuff? I'll get to it tonight, i have a few other things to update tonight, so adding yet-another-project to the list is easy enough. 22:31:59 drewc: Thanks! I'm looking forward to it. 22:33:29 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-106-229.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:34:06 nyef: any idea what's up with minion these days? 22:38:45 ephcon [~ephcon@student167-181.hampshire.edu] has joined #lisp 22:39:09 kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:59 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:20 slaker [~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 22:43:13 billstclair [~billstcla@dsl-216-227-57-230.taconic.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:13 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@dsl-216-227-57-230.taconic.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:43:14 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 22:44:40 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-83-2.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:45:22 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:32 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:36 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:45:39 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:45:51 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.64.211] has joined #lisp 22:47:32 -!- alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:51:32 -!- htk_ [~htk___@unaffiliated/htk-/x-9867211] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:05 alexsuraci [~alexsurac@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:30 -!- lithper2_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 22:58:36 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 22:59:12 -!- ramus [~ramus@99.23.131.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:02:39 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@2002:62da:45b3:1234:21d:e0ff:fe00:f7ab] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:50 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #lisp 23:03:53 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-60-82-254-229-125.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:08 -!- Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:04:18 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:04:32 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #lisp 23:04:47 -!- Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:04 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #lisp 23:06:37 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:06:40 Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #lisp 23:06:48 -!- Hezy [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:51 Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has joined #lisp 23:07:24 -!- milanj [~milan@93.87.249.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:08:38 -!- Hezy_ [~Hezy@62.56.254.205] has quit [Client Quit] 23:09:12 -!- TDT [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:29 Dawgmatix_ [~dman@c-76-124-9-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:24 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.65] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:19:34 -!- gruseom [~daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:23:30 konr` [~user@201.82.138.3] has joined #lisp 23:24:15 -!- saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: saikat] 23:24:39 -!- konr [~user@201.82.138.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24:40 drewc: minion doesn't automatically reconnect after being disconnected (nor do any of the other bots), and freenode has been suffering an increase in netsplits and server restarts recently. 23:24:56 So it's sortof not-our-fault while still being our fault. 23:25:42 drewc: If I remember, I'll take a look at it at some point over the next week. 23:25:46 -!- tsuru`` [~user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:26:14 nyef: but i restarted the bots, and haven't seen minion come back... 23:26:30 Really? Hunh. 23:26:45 We had a squatter at one point that we had to ghost, but that doesn't seem to apply here... 23:27:34 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:15 ya, that was my first though too. 23:28:22 Okay, taking a look. 23:29:47 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:02 minion: How're you doing? 23:30:03 i wouldn't know about how re i doing - i have no memory 23:30:10 Good enough. 23:30:15 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 23:31:05 Don't know what's up with that, beyond possibly getting screwed... by pinging out during the paste-load process? 23:31:39 *nyef* hears the ten-minute-warning on dinner. 23:34:05 jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:35:45 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:08 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@48.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:36:08 -!- jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:51 jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:37:08 -!- jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:55 ramus [~ramus@99.23.131.154] has joined #lisp 23:38:06 jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:38:25 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 23:39:10 -!- jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:07 jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:41:40 -!- jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:40 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 23:42:09 jmbr_ [~jmbr@189.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:43:20 -!- minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:43:34 -!- slaker [~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:43:55 Hrm. 23:44:22 Okay, I'm clearly not going to be able to figure things out that easily. :-/ 23:44:31 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:04 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-014.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45:24 minion [~minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:42 cadabra [~cadabra@69.169.170.130] has joined #lisp 23:48:54 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:50:53 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 23:52:08 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-60-82-254-229-125.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:07 Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has joined #lisp 23:55:34 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:56:43 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp