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[n=user@c-67-188-112-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:16:26 seibel's a friendly guy 00:16:38 hang around here for a bit and you might become friends with him, too! 00:17:45 -!- mrSpec is now known as spec[away] 00:18:16 Xach: you mean with Xah Lee or something like that? 00:18:49 -!- kejsaren4 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19:11 -!- balooga [n=00u4440@147.21.16.3] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19:25 -!- kejsaren3 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19:58 -!- ltriant [n=ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/"] 00:20:01 -!- Patzy [n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:21:04 p_l: yes 00:21:16 a highly unfortunate situation 00:21:50 -!- Harag [n=Harag@wbs-196-2-108-246.wbs.co.za] has quit 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[i=star@ppp181.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:39:32 would anyone like to test the release of a common lisp game? http://dto.github.com/notebook/sanctuary.html 01:39:32 windows/mac/linux binaries available. 01:40:33 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:40:33 -!- Dodek [i=dodek@wikipedia/Dodek] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:40:33 Dodek [i=dodek@dodecki.net] has joined #lisp 01:40:33 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [] 01:40:33 l_n [n=shawn@tuxhacker/lordnothing] has joined #lisp 01:40:45 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-37-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:40:45 ooh, tower defense 01:43:05 bombshelter13b_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 01:43:05 -!- cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-180-132-102.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:43:05 cmm 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Looks pretty so far. 02:15:44 Xach, he mentioned it a short while back 02:16:07 oh, ok. 02:16:21 *Xach* missed it 02:16:41 the blog is news to me too, though. 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60 (Operation timed out)] 04:37:08 I have a list of list. '((3 4) (5 6)). I want to multiply each number by 2, for example, and return '((6 8) (10 12)). How can I unroll this? mapcar just gives me the first list deep, i.e (3 4) and (5 6). Do I need to one mapcar inside another? 04:37:43 That would be one option. 04:38:55 arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 04:43:05 -!- eno_ is now known as eno 04:44:09 -!- jleija [n=jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit ["leaving"] 04:48:50 bipt` [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:51:19 lemoinem [n=swoog@66.51.252.40] has joined #lisp 04:52:34 sadiquea [n=sadiquea@119.82.102.202] has joined #lisp 04:58:27 lpolzer_ [n=lpolzer@dslb-088-073-213-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 04:58:54 madara [n=madara@unaffiliated/madara] has joined #lisp 04:59:00 Greetings :) 04:59:18 hello madara 04:59:28 Sir beach. 05:01:38 madara: Do I know you? 05:01:53 freiksenet [n=freiksen@80.221.41.202] has joined #lisp 05:02:08 beach: I have no idea... 05:02:55 madara: You are new here right? 05:03:54 beach: I haven't been here in about 4 months. 05:04:00 beach: Why the interest? 05:04:18 -!- Dodek [i=dodek@dodecki.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:04:20 Probably due to your unexpected salutation. 05:04:22 Dodek [i=dodek@dodecki.net] has joined #lisp 05:04:40 madara: I am always expecting my students to show up. And what Zhivago said. 05:04:50 Zhivago the neophyte killer! 05:04:55 madara: You must have had a different nick in the past. 05:05:02 beach: Hrm, ok. 05:05:21 No, madara was madara. 05:05:34 Just not very memorable. 05:05:49 there is no trace of madara in the logs before today. 05:07:03 Zhivago: what? 05:08:11 Well, until you showed up again I had completely forgotten your existence. 05:08:38 Zhivago, I shan't respond to this. 05:09:09 madara: What was your nick last time you were here? 05:11:26 beach: madara I believe. 05:11:44 I have a memory that's pretty poor. 05:11:47 I wish I hadn't piqued your interest. 05:12:00 madara: It doesn't matter. 05:12:13 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.162.214.188] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:12:42 Zhivago, Please stop sending me private messages. 05:12:51 -!- didi [n=user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 05:13:03 Do you mean "stop replying to my private messages?" 05:13:28 There's an easy way to accomplish that -- stop sending them to me. 05:14:33 -!- lpolzer [n=lpolzer@dslb-088-073-249-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:14:39 -!- l_n [n=shawn@tuxhacker/lordnothing] has quit ["meh"] 05:14:58 shrughes [n=shrughes@c-76-118-176-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:15:02 Zhivago, Please die. 05:15:05 -!- madara [n=madara@unaffiliated/madara] has left #lisp 05:16:34 what was his problem O.o 05:16:45 Mad as a bag of rabbits. 05:18:59 -!- JonSmith [n=jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 05:19:23 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ywgotfdcrwrqtasd] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:19:25 JonSmith [n=jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:21:35 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xcsmtulkaqoymywk] has joined #lisp 05:28:19 Demosthenex [n=demo@host162.155.212.34.conversent.net] has joined #lisp 05:29:18 -!- blast_hardcheese 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08:30:00 -!- Madsy_ is now known as Madsy 08:30:16 Harag, (defclass some-class () () (:metaclass some-meta-class) (:some-value t)) becomes something like (ensure-class 'some-class :direct-superclasses () :direct-slots () :metaclass some-meta-class :some-value '(t)) 08:31:46 Adlai: could you elaborate a bit on that please 08:32:22 Harag, I have to go. 08:32:42 Adlai: thanx.. 08:33:03 anybody got a link to docs that explain what Adlai showed? 08:33:48 or have an explenation for me 08:34:30 Harag, I'd just M-. into defclass 08:34:45 well, (car option) would be the key, (cdr option) would be the value.. 08:34:45 look around for a call to a function called canonicalize-options, or something like that 08:35:32 Adlai: ok will thanx 08:37:48 trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:38:17 kwinz3 [n=kwinz@e194-052.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 08:38:40 adeht: before I go hunting for the docs ...why the different behavior when you setf the slot ...it makes code checking the value a mess 08:39:11 adeht: how did it go, testing the game? 08:39:39 rstandy` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-87-237.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 08:39:49 Harag: can't say offhand.. I'd have to check the AMOP 08:40:03 -!- rstandy` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-87-237.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:40:18 rstandy` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-87-237.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 08:40:19 -!- _8david [n=user@port-92-195-41-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:40:25 udzinari [n=user@19.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 08:40:43 dto: I liked it.. I think there were two strange things.. one was that when, say, a skeleton attacks and the health is low, I got bombarded with messages about it 08:40:45 adeht: so its somethign I just have to live with? 08:41:03 adeht: i was just working on fixing that. 08:41:13 in the repo 08:41:24 now it says (Repeated 2x... etc 08:41:29 Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has joined #lisp 08:41:41 the other is that after I switched to another app and back (and maybe this is unrelated case of post hoc) it got noticeably slower 08:42:05 hmm. which platform? 08:42:07 Harag: I dunno 08:42:16 -!- rstandy` [n=rastandy@net-93-144-87-237.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Client Quit] 08:42:18 dto: Linux sneeze 2.6.25.20-0.5-pae #1 SMP 2009-08-14 01:48:11 +0200 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 08:42:25 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@93.144.87.237] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 08:43:00 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-87-237.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 08:46:20 -!- udzinari is now known as udzinari` 08:46:47 -!- udzinari` is now known as udzinari 08:47:18 -!- udzinari is now known as hydan 08:47:54 -!- hydan is now known as hydan_data 08:48:18 -!- hydan_data is now known as defun 08:48:56 TuxPurple [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has joined #lisp 08:49:39 -!- defun is now known as dac 08:49:57 -!- dac is now known as dck 08:50:28 -!- dck is now known as kcd 08:50:46 -!- kcd is now known as kd 08:50:54 ASau`` [n=user@77.246.230.174] has joined #lisp 08:51:13 -!- kd is now known as chd 08:51:28 tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 08:51:54 -!- chd is now known as dato` 08:52:06 -!- ASau` [n=user@77.246.230.174] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:52:12 mishoo [n=mishoo@79.112.111.234] has joined #lisp 08:52:19 hi 08:52:48 how can I output some debug info to the slime-repl buffer from a thread? 08:52:55 -!- dato` is now known as dgc 08:53:47 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-jxluefqgyzzerkdy] has joined #lisp 08:53:48 mishoo: swank:*globally-redirect-io* 08:54:24 Or do (defvar *repl-output* *standard-output*) in the REPL, and then pass *repl-output* to format etc 08:55:15 *stassats* just looks in *inferior-lisp* buffer 08:55:50 I like Matthias' idea 08:56:21 hm, do I need to restart swank after setting globally-redirect-io? 08:56:38 you have to put it into your .swank.lisp; yes 08:56:54 Harag: actually, I don't understand your question. why are you surprised that the value at a place would be the same as what you set it to? 08:57:17 It'd be nice to have M-x slime-toggle-globally-redirect-io 08:57:19 tcr: did you see an email to slime-devel about assertion (boundp '*sldb-quit-restart*) ? 08:58:00 adeht: I am happy with it being the same as I setf it to...I am supprised that if it goes in as an initarg it becomes a key value combination 08:58:11 I would have expected the behavior to be the same 08:58:20 indeed, works now. Thanks! 08:58:22 Harag: huh? 08:58:49 Harag: (:foo bar zot) would become ':foo '(bar zot) 08:58:57 adeht: if I pass t to initarg I expect t not (t) 08:59:08 Harag: you should do (:some-value . t) then 08:59:44 stassats: hmm, commenting out is not right though 09:00:02 i know, it's just temporarily 09:01:53 etate [n=cmalune@209.123.147.15] has joined #lisp 09:01:56 grouzen [n=grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 09:02:04 Hello, anyone here using the latest elephant with bdb backend? 09:02:47 xan [n=xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 09:03:13 adeht: thanx, but I think I will write the reader by hand to do the checking for me and to strip of the list 09:04:08 sure, if that's what you want, no reason not to 09:05:10 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:05:14 well at least I learnt about --> (:foo bar zot) would become ':foo '(bar zot) 09:05:18 thanx 09:06:03 well, I already said that it takes car/cdr (rather than car/cadr) 09:06:49 stassats: could you try :sigio and :fd-handler while I'm looking at it? 09:06:58 i tried, they work 09:07:01 it assumes that you may want to have more than one elements, and save you a level of parens 09:09:03 stassats: Are you you tried it with the assertion in place? 09:09:07 are you sure 09:09:29 with the assertion and manually evaluating it at the repl 09:10:44 Ok, could you remove the causes for the annoying style-warning in swank-match.lisp and swank-presentations.lisp? 17:36:12 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:12 17:36:12 -!- names: ccl-logbot crod ikki rares kejsaren Edward__ mattrepl rread Adlai grouzen dnolen Jabberwockey OmniMancer antoszka reprore mrsolo drwho dlowe cools gruseom gonzojive_ Guest83773 ruediger borisc nha gigamonkey kwinz3 pr jleija rrice milanj legumbre blackwolf j0be lisppaste kami marioxcc dl sykopomp|work benny hefner fiveop_ rullie Nshag vcgomes cvandusen sjbach fe[nl]ix balooga TuxPurple morphling sellout nvoorhies ignas_ bdowning Dodek myrkraverk` 17:36:12 -!- names: ignas Jasko ia moesenle galaxywatcher hugod cmm Krystof SandGorgon Odin- Jafet Yuuhi huangjs beach```` gz Edico nikodemus carlocci serichsen jtza8 freiksenet lichtblau dandersen stassats` Xach ironChicken varjag Orest^bnc p8m zbigniew Hun lharc alexbobp r0bby blast_hardcheese Legooolas pragma_ KatrinaTheLamia cataska Fade Xantoz guaq cupe rsynnott dym aja mgr p_l j0ni Douglish l_a_m joga madnificent Pepe_ trebor_dki jrockway mornfall peddie 17:36:12 -!- names: george_ bobbysmith0071 lupine_85 wakeup^ xan mishoo rstandy ecraven akamaus xinming whoppix_ lemoinem skeptomai adeht EwS Ralith Kolyan guaqua Draggor JonSmith shrughes lpolzer_ arbscht Kludgy mtd ianmcorvidae Intensity ntd Patzy kpreid Zhivago cods pok dek51 eno setheus Vonunov dmiles CrazyEddy Madsy kooll drewc daniel_ Buganini z0d tvaalen ahaas housel fgtech kuwabara1 piso bfein_ alexsuraci abeaumont Aisling nowhere_man foom yacin Tordek 17:36:12 -!- names: ramus` fihi09 antifuchs krappie dostoyevsky phadthai scode qidush luis jyujin dto redline6561 dalkvist_ dcrawford froydnj bfein blitz_ clog spoofy Lycurgus wlr [df] Ginei_Morioka araujo slyrus nullman Wombatzus ryepup ASau joast Khisanth Borbus emma bakkdoor codemonkeyx tarbo tic hoeq nasloc__ koning_robot djinni` avalanche^ foom2 prip gonzojive aking spiaggia _deepfire _3b` fnordus spacebat johs nenorbot jsnell rapacity rootzlevel rdd Raptelan 17:36:12 -!- names: ``Erik hohum_ lukjad007 srcerer DrForr rlonstein nareshov Taggnostr rotty xristos anekos mikezor_ sykopomp felipe hdurer__ tmitt cpt_nemo Helheim nicktastic erg nuba frodef herbieB Soulman__ Tristam sytse amnesiac ve ztzg billstclair AntiSpamMeta rahul guenthr djm tsuru boyscared BrianRice plutonas stoop Adrinael ineiros authentic holycow spec[away] fawxtin` thijso manituuuu lnostdal cmatei egn PissedNumlock rey_ tltstc rbancroft robewald 17:36:12 -!- names: tessier kleppari Elench s0ber albino retupmoca Bucciarati esden bobrown`` schme Axioplase_ Xof luis` pkhuong jthing dfox wgl specbot minion jkantz slather _3b chii TR2N yahooooo hicx174_ nicklevine addled 17:37:37 -!- rsynnott [i=rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:38:44 launchpad "changes to distinguish patches in comments and to list patches separately on the bug page" 17:38:58 (regarding our not-great treatment of contributions) 17:39:08 nikodemus: not from the macroexpansion, at least. 17:39:15 nikodemus: yes, but it's a fictional common base class 17:39:27 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has quit ["...may the Source be with you..."] 17:39:29 we should be able to replace it with n methods on each affected generic function 17:39:37 some weirdness with funcallable-instances, I'm guessing 17:40:15 hm, maybe it's for grabbing the fallback accessor? 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17:58:03 crod [n=cmell@188.241.48.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 17:58:34 yates: I guess, under /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp; that's where it is in gentoo. 17:59:06 -!- skeptomai|away is now known as skeptomai 17:59:12 yates: but I don't know how the filesystem hierarchy is in fedora 18:01:15 maus_ [n=maus@94.231.112.177] has joined #lisp 18:01:46 Harag [n=Harag@wbs-196-2-108-200.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:01:50 -!- freiksenet [n=freiksen@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:02:10 serichsen: Southern_Gentlemen, over on #fedora, just suggested that if it's not from a package, put it in /opt 18:02:20 that makes sense 18:02:38 I put clbuild (with slime under it) in /opt. 18:04:28 balooga1 [n=00u4440@147.21.16.3] has joined #lisp 18:04:42 ahaas: if i had originally installed clbuild somewhere else (under my /root path), can i simply mv it over to /opt? 18:05:16 ahaas: Sure, as long as you update any paths to it existing elsewhere. 18:05:19 ha 18:05:27 -!- varjag [n=eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 18:05:44 saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:05 yates: My .sbclrc and emacs lisp config both point to the clbuild dir in a couple places, for instance. 18:08:36 is load-path searched recursively, so if i just put /opt/clbuild it will find stuff in subfolders there? 18:08:48 I don't think so. 18:10:19 ahaas: ok, thx 18:10:48 yates: Any lisp packages that weren't installed via clbuild, I put in /opt/lisp and I put a symlink to their asd files in /opt/lisp/systems and put that path in my .sbclrc. 18:11:48 -!- ignas [n=ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:11:59 -!- ignas_ [n=ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12:17 -!- akamaus [n=maus@78.31.79.209] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12:38 anyone feel like unbreaking CLC in Debian? :) 18:13:09 rahul: perhaps you do? 18:13:26 foom: or you? 18:14:05 pkhuong: nice thought, but I can tell how much rahul really wants to do it already. 18:14:59 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:15:16 -!- galaxywatcher [n=galaxywa@ppp-58-8-53-71.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:15:19 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:16:08 konr [n=user@201.82.136.87] has joined #lisp 18:16:10 nikodemus: is **null-classoid-layout** a constant? 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You'll save one dereference. 18:24:34 jgracin [n=jgracin@vipnet213-86.mobile.carnet.hr] has joined #lisp 18:25:12 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:25:17 pkhuong: oh, true! 18:25:22 dnolen [n=dnolen@69.38.240.242] has joined #lisp 18:27:35 stepnem [n=stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 18:27:36 i wonder how bootstrap likes that, though 18:28:50 jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-29-9-209.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:29:44 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:31:30 kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:38 kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:12 um, I don't have a .emacs.d/elpa dir 18:34:19 so I dunno what should be creating it 18:34:31 or what should be wanting it 18:36:26 hm, i think i could use COMPILER-MACROLET here 18:36:42 (_not_ COMPILER-LET) 18:38:57 milanj- [n=milan@109.93.33.96] has joined #lisp 18:38:59 you should be able to do that with a regular macrolet + macroexpand explicitly, right? 18:39:11 not the prettiest solution... 18:40:17 bipt` [i=bpt@cpe-173-095-174-230.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:18 -!- yates [n=yates@cpe-174-097-145-232.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Abort, Retry, Fail?"] 18:44:32 -!- Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-24-82-64-191-56.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:45:14 Nshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-32-82-254-22-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:32 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:46:32 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:46:52 REPLeffect_ [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:47:22 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.87.169.230] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:47:57 yates [n=yates@cpe-174-097-145-232.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:48:13 i'm confused 18:48:26 i ran ./clbuild install slime 18:49:19 but i don't see slime in a subdirectory under clbuild 18:49:53 yates: It should be in ./clbuild/source/slime 18:50:02 jasber [n=bjasper@173-26-98-219.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:06 -!- konr [n=user@201.82.136.87] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:50:18 I don't have a .emacs.d/elpa dir... yates: what are you doing to need it? 18:50:23 ahaas: and that's where i should append an add-to-list 'load-path ? 18:50:34 or I guess what were you doing 18:51:08 rahul: i had installed it previously via elpa (the new emacs package manager) but somehow it's not working right (enters the debugger on load) 18:51:36 rahul: so now i've got it uninstalled under elpa and am trying to configure it "manually" 18:52:23 ok, so it's not clc, as foom was saying 18:52:40 rahul: are you talking to me? 18:52:48 yates: Have you tried ./clbuild slime-configuration ? 18:52:58 ahaas: no 18:53:00 jmbr [n=jmbr@163.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:53:14 rahul: foom wasn't saying. 18:53:24 yates: That will print out the lines that you should add to your .emacs 18:53:37 rahul: it was a slightly-related tangent. 18:53:41 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:53:44 Dawgmatix [n=user@c-76-124-8-39.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:00 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:54:02 rahul: I was just saying CLC is completely broken right now in unstable. 18:54:08 foom: really? 18:54:12 ahaas: ah - wow, lot's of stuff. is the alternative to type at the command line "clbuild slime" 18:54:13 ? 18:54:39 yates: I don't know. I don't use that. 18:55:13 bug 560781 and 560963. 18:55:55 foom: I have the latest version 18:56:52 foom: (clc:clc-require :cffi) 18:57:24 oh, ok, you've already figured it all out 18:57:35 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:57:35 well, if you guys bitch and whine, people will change things sometimes 18:57:46 and now you're bitching and whining that things are changed 18:58:06 rahul: That's completely broken. If that's really the intended behavior, fine, close the bug as works-as-desired. But I can't believe that's really the intended behavior because it's dumb. 18:58:46 well, what else is anyone supposed to do? 18:58:57 I don't know, do about what? 18:59:03 it's the intended behavior because the old behavior made people cry about it 18:59:12 I don't even know what it supposedly fixes? 18:59:50 people whining that clbuild doesn't work with clc 18:59:59 now you have what you want 19:00:04 Why doesn't clbuild work with CLC? 19:00:08 who knows 19:00:17 I don't use clbuild 19:00:30 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:01:09 I mean, that sounds like a sensible complaint. But instead of actually fixing it, the answer is to disable CLC entirely. That part makes no sense. 19:01:37 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01:48 -!- george_ [n=george@189.107.166.115] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01:55 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:02:16 it's not disabled 19:02:18 it works fine 19:02:23 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 19:02:23 billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:02:46 you have a very interesting definition of fine. I cannot install software that requires cffi and have it use the system-packaged version. 19:02:46 clc seems to be a technical response to a cultural issue. 19:03:19 the way software is developed and 'released' is disjoint from the way software is marshalled in the debian encampment. 19:03:23 foom: yes you can 19:03:24 I do 19:03:34 well, not with cffi yet, but with other packages 19:06:51 postamar [n=postamar@69-165-151-234.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:07:37 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.162.214.188] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:08:50 anyways, I really like your response "that's what people get for complaining that clbuild doesn't work". Good times. :) 19:08:55 jmbr_ [n=jmbr@248.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:09:20 shrug 19:09:20 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@163.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:09:30 C is a class that is neither BUILT-IN-CLASS nor a STRUCTURE-CLASS. are all instances of C instances or STANDARD-OBJECT? 19:09:35 TDT [n=user@vs1202.rosehosting.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:57 "instances of", even 19:10:01 is condition-class disjoint from those? 19:10:12 conditions, good 19:10:26 what else? 19:10:41 nikodemus: random metaclasses? 19:11:16 Xach: I found out a fairly, well...kinda decent solution to that clsql issue I was bringing up earlier. 19:11:24 pkhuong: those have to inherit from something 19:11:24 how do you make a metaclass whose instances aren't standard-objects as well? 19:12:33 TDT: sweet 19:12:44 hm. i think i want to figure this out differently 19:12:53 Xach: Just so I transfer the knowledge a bit, when select is done on one database, the accessor view-database is set on object creation of that particular record. To save it to another db, update-records-from-instance does work, but as long as the 2nd condition is met - that is, view-database is set to nil. I did something like: (setf (slot-value obj (intern "VIEW-DATABASE" 'clsql-sys)) nil) to get this to work. 19:13:35 can't you do 'clsql-sys::view-database? 19:13:54 *Xach* suspects so 19:13:55 george_ [n=george@189.107.219.55] has joined #lisp 19:13:57 LiamH [n=none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 19:13:57 rahul: Yeah, I probably could 19:14:16 -!- saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:15:05 The solution was at leas ta bit easier than I thought..and the mailing list and c.l.l didn't really come up with it, so I'll just bring up the same thing there incase anyone else runs into this. I would think this type of thing would be a very common thing to do, but maybe I'm wrong about that, heh. 19:16:35 really proud of myself to figuring that out..being still a lisp newbie. Just took a few whiteboards and an hour of time in a classroom. 19:16:52 saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:49 -!- jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-29-9-209.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:17:55 jewel_ [n=jewel@vc-41-31-28-187.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:19:19 ok. if class C is TYPEP STANDARD-CLASS or FUNCALLABLE-STANDARD-CLASS, all its instances are STANDARD-OBJECTs 19:21:16 I'm not sure about that 19:21:28 couldn't allocate-instance do something different? 19:27:19 i think that would be a broken allocate-instance 19:27:52 but i don't think i care after all -- it seems that the correct answer is to do something else after all 19:29:59 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:30:12 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 19:34:55 how is "clbuild slime" supposed to be used? is it supposed to be able to sit in a system directory (/opt) and be invoked by individual users? 19:35:25 i'm getting "/opt/clbuild/clbuild: line 1857: /opt/clbuild/.start-slime.el: Permission denied" 19:36:28 yates: I believe clbuild assumes the user running it has write permissions to all files in the clbuild dir 19:36:54 the idea is to let people hack on the stuff they are working with, so writing is pretty much necessary 19:37:09 all the code operates on that assumption, afaik 19:37:18 ewe 19:37:42 very hack-ish 19:37:47 not ewe, just designed for personal installation instead of global 19:37:49 which means it's expected that there is one clbuild installation per user 19:38:06 antifuchs: thatnks - that was my original question 19:38:12 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:38:36 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 19:39:06 prxq [n=mommer@f052033193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:44 Guthur [n=Michael@host86-136-49-51.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:14 ski [n=slj@c-b213e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:41:01 Has anyone implemented a build server for their CL projects? I've been toying with the idea, that on each commit by git, it would run the test suite. 19:41:03 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.162.214.188] has joined #lisp 19:41:42 TDT: sounds like a fantastic way of wasting electricity 19:41:44 TDT: I've implemented one for sbcl, and foom has one for one of his projects (-: 19:42:06 -!- j0be [n=j0be@ke-works-1.starters.tudelft.nl] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:42:38 prxq: regression tests are a waste of electricity only if your brain doesn't consume energy while you're debugging (: 19:43:14 and your computer for that matter 19:43:34 tbf, you can debug the source on a paper printout (: 19:43:45 not as quickly, probably, but still (: 19:44:26 well, there is some middle ground between printouts and running a full test suite on each single commit 19:44:34 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:37 just a tiny little bit 19:44:39 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:43 running a full test suite on every commit is incredibly valuable 19:45:03 prxq: Well, considering right now I pay for virtual shared and that'll use more energy than my planned netbook (which will also run various webdav and other shares), I should be saving the environment a bit more. 19:45:12 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:45:19 make that every supposedly non-broken commit and i agree 19:45:19 It should be considered basically required on any project with more than a couple developers. 19:45:28 the point of doing this is that on sufficiently complex systems, you can't anticipate what your change breaks. 19:45:37 i continually commit known-bad stuff that is going to need more work 19:45:57 nikodemus: everything that goes to the part of your repo that is supposed to remain non-broken, yeah (: 19:46:12 When I say "commit" here, I mean "push to master" or "commit to trunk" or whatever the similar thing in your VCS is 19:46:13 (commit onto local non-public branches, that is) 19:46:17 prxq: Also, really for what I'm thinking it may not be each commit..only when pushing back to origin (being another system) would it run everything. but yeah :) 19:46:50 antifuchs: Did you read any good articles on the design of setup, or how did you go about it (e.g. what build software did you use, etc) 19:47:00 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:47:25 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:47:31 rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-lqmjtsgwpiawxiys] has joined #lisp 19:47:52 TDT: I use autobench for the sbcl performance regression site at http://sbcl.boinkor.net/boinkmarks/. it's custom-built cl system that specializes on running benchmarks. (: 19:48:18 antifuchs: Sounds good, I'll take a look at that - thanks 19:48:31 as far as less specialized systems go, I think there's buildbot, and another one whose name I forgot 19:48:55 it seemed very sane. I would like to recommend you try this, because I might switch if you like it 19:49:09 unfortunately, I don't know the name. argh. (: 19:49:42 -!- cools [n=user@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["brb"] 19:49:42 Yeah...for this, it's mostly just lisp stuff I'm really interested in testing..if I mvoe to other languages I'd probably look at another solution. 19:49:43 -!- jewel_ [n=jewel@vc-41-31-28-187.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:49:50 buildbot and hudson are the big ones 19:49:55 both work 19:50:12 hudson! thanks. 19:50:35 chupish [i=182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-rgdeljxupwmjgkmo] has joined #lisp 19:51:43 djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:44 -!- Kolyan [n=nartamon@93.80.217.59] has quit [] 19:52:51 cools [n=user@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:53:11 yeah, out of the two buildbot is likely the one I'd go with over hudson...being that one is in python and one in java. Since I plan on sticking this on a netbook, with 1Gb of RAM, I expect the performance to be a bit...awful. 19:54:33 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 19:54:41 antifuchs - what are you using to draw those graphs at boinkor - they look purty 19:55:11 thanks, Dawgmatix 19:55:29 I am using flot, which is a jquery plugin that draws graphs on a html5 canvas 19:56:01 oic 19:59:04 -!- kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:59:17 -!- kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:01:05 TJohn [i=as@118-160-160-155.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:19 -!- nenorbot [n=Menas@87.69.67.58] has quit [] 20:03:35 timor [n=martin@port-87-234-97-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:03:44 -!- chupish [i=182ed347@gateway/web/freenode/x-rgdeljxupwmjgkmo] has quit ["Page closed"] 20:04:49 kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:02 kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:16 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 20:05:19 proun [n=proun@cpe-74-77-136-191.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:06:00 gabnet [n=gabnet@226.23.67-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:08 anyone know a good package for hashing a password to store in a db? 20:06:12 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:06:20 CMUCL/ancient sure does slap SBCL around on the complex methods! 20:06:25 minion: tell proun about ironclad 20:06:26 proun: direct your attention towards ironclad: Ironclad is a Common Lisp Cryptography package; several block encryption algorithms and hash functions are included with the initial release. http://www.cliki.net/ironclad 20:06:43 will check out, thanks 20:06:53 TuxPurple_ [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has joined #lisp 20:07:02 varjag [n=eugene@103.80-202-117.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 20:07:27 hefner: explain thyself 20:07:45 http://sbcl.boinkor.net/boinkmarks/index <- Just look at the graph! 20:08:01 20:08:04 Sungem_ [i=ss@220-136-224-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:42 does anybody find it a bit annoying to close source buffers manually after `v' in SLDB? 20:08:51 -!- Sungem_ [i=ss@220-136-224-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:52 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:17 -!- djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:09:17 Adlai: no 20:09:26 Adlai: what else would you do? 20:09:41 -!- TuxPurple [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:09:42 have it automatically close code that you might have wanted to edit to fix a bug? 20:09:51 -!- TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple 20:09:57 rahul, the buffer gets opened in the same window as my repl, which is a nuisance. I'm not sure what I'd like it to do... :\ 20:10:14 it might be neat if M-, would close the buffer 20:10:21 -!- postamar [n=postamar@69-165-151-234.dsl.teksavvy.com] has left #lisp 20:10:25 ie, `v' would be logged as a find-tag invocation 20:11:02 hefner: what does that test measure ? 20:11:13 Adlai: yeah, that might work 20:11:32 fir3 [i=ss@220-136-224-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:33 djanderson [n=dja@hltncable.pioneerbroadband.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:41 -!- fir3 [i=ss@220-136-224-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:12:14 -!- saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:12:17 -!- TJohn [i=as@118-160-160-155.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:12:41 *hefner* forgets 20:12:50 Sungem [i=ss@220-136-224-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:07 I'd love to see ECL, CLISP, and SBCL all on one chart, though 20:13:12 -!- Sungem [i=ss@220-136-224-248.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:13:43 -!- xan [n=xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:13:43 ..although I fear it would only serve to make a laughing-stock of poor ECL 20:13:56 heh 20:14:04 well, then maybe someone will sit down and optimize it 20:14:06 what about CCL? I think it beats SBCL in some dispatch tests 20:14:19 ccl would be a good addition, too 20:14:34 oh, sure, CCL too. Forgot about that one. I'm really only interested in ECL and SBCL, but I threw CLISP in so ECL could have someone to compete against. 20:14:45 hahaha 20:14:46 hefner, count ABCL in! 20:15:16 oh my, that would be interesting. 20:15:18 pixpop [n=pixpop@166.205.135.179] has joined #lisp 20:15:22 but yeah, complex methods is getting really bad 20:15:31 heh 20:15:47 Adlai: we'd need a log scale then :P 20:15:53 ECL, the Quasimodo of CL implementations 20:15:55 haha 20:16:54 if there are dispatch microbenchmarks that are _not_ CL-BENCH where CCL clearly beats SBCL, i'm interested in seeing them 20:17:26 (i don't doubt such things may exist, i just want to get my fingers on them...) 20:18:28 (some of the CL-BENCH dispatch benchmarks are IIRC pretty bogus) 20:18:50 or maybe i was thinking of instance allocation, but sure 20:19:01 not sure, even 20:19:23 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:19:29 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:19:40 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:19:50 -!- beach```` is now known as beach 20:20:00 -!- skeptomai is now known as skeptomai|away 20:20:17 -!- timor [n=martin@port-87-234-97-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:20:19 Good evening! 20:21:06 random SB-PCL question: Why doesn't %swap-wrappers-and-slots use ROTATEF ? 20:21:27 (this function is in src/pcl/slots.lisp 20:21:29 ) 20:22:07 udzinari [n=user@19.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 20:22:35 evening, beach 20:23:36 -!- Harag [n=Harag@wbs-196-2-108-200.wbs.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:24:20 -!- pixpop [n=pixpop@166.205.135.179] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:25:53 Adlai: if ROTAREF is sematically correct there (i don't remember), then probably not for any specific reason 20:26:46 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has quit [] 20:27:46 nikodemus, yes, that function's code is a classic (let ((temp a)) (setf a b b temp)) 20:27:56 -!- legumbre [n=leo@r190-135-13-247.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:27:59 ew, not even psetf? 20:28:04 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:28:18 watir-2 [n=watir-2@114-45-232-163.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:19 kpreid, not even one setf form. It's done in 4 setf forms. 20:30:18 -!- watir-2 [n=watir-2@114-45-232-163.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:30:58 Adlai pasted "%swap-wrappers-and-slots" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92276 20:31:11 evening 20:31:19 watir-2 [n=watir-2@114-45-232-163.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:27 Admight it be important what order these assignments are performed in? 20:31:29 I'll ease up on mocking ECL for a bit, because in the informal benchmark I just conducted (generate 100 random maps for my game), it trounced CLISP by a factor of five (was was in itself beaten by SBCL by a factor of five) 20:31:33 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.162.214.188] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:31:37 mstevens [n=mstevens@81.2.103.23] has joined #lisp 20:32:24 of course, this is totally unoptimized, generic code that doesn't play to SBCL's strengths, where it doesn't really have much business being slower. 20:34:01 kpreid, it doesn't look that way. 20:37:29 -!- watir-2 [n=watir-2@114-45-232-163.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:38:12 Adlai annotated #92276 "simpler, using psetf" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92276#1 20:38:44 the various CLOS/complex-foo benchmarks rarely measure something meaningful 20:39:48 Adlai: you're not setting anything in i2 there, are you 20:40:10 but yes, psetf/rotatef sounds good 20:40:22 nikodemus, I don't understand your question 20:41:21 george__ [n=george@189.107.155.59] has joined #lisp 20:41:38 Adlai: am i misreading your code terribly when it seems to be that in the psetf version you're not setting anything in i2, just in i1 20:41:55 ahh, heh, you're right :) 20:42:20 I guess using rotatef there could be clearer 20:42:28 alter not the old, crufty code lest you introduce new, shiny bugs 20:43:14 but people doth like the shiny new things 20:43:24 -!- slyrus [n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-223-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:43:38 feels like progress 20:43:46 deepest apologies, Sir Krystof 20:44:24 *Krystof* is here with a branch full of shiny bugs 20:44:28 is the SBCL website down? 20:44:37 unfortunately I lack the energy to fix them 20:44:40 cools: works for me. 20:44:41 now a style question -- would it be overkill to collapse those two swaps with one macrolet? 20:45:00 Xach: gah, for some reason i can't open it up 20:45:18 Adlai: yes, probably 20:45:34 *Adlai* has noticed lots of (macrolet ((def ..)) ..) in the SBCL source, and wonders where to draw the line with this wonderful weapon 20:45:34 ok 20:46:10 -!- skeptomai|away is now known as skeptomai 20:47:07 I think when something is plausibly idiomatic (like with rotatefs) we tend not to introduce a new name 20:47:18 def is easy to understand as "hey I'm defining a thingy" 20:47:55 whereas a call like (swap std-instance-wrapper std-instance-slots) would look confusing 20:48:21 but it shortens the source by an entire line! :) 20:48:34 of course, what you really want is "(swap-std-instance- wrapper slots)" 20:49:30 Hmm, I did (set-macro-character #\@ 'at-reader), then modified at-reader, but the modifications don't seem to have taken effect. 20:49:49 (how-married-to-source-code-brevity-are-you-really-p 'adlai) 20:50:16 *Xach* will read the reader chapter 20:50:19 ah, finally, can access the SBCL website 20:50:45 *Xach* naively expected the update to at-reader to be reflected by the reader's behavior, given this passage in set-macro-character: set-macro-character causes char to be a macro character associated with the reader macro function new-function (or the designator for new-function) in readtable. 20:53:27 hmm, it says "or" 20:54:13 rather odd wording actually 20:54:21 since new-function IS the designator 20:54:54 it also doesn't say that get-macro-character returns either the function or the designator. 20:55:01 <_3b> clhs 1.4.1.5 20:55:01 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/01_dae.htm 20:55:15 Xach: right, it says it returns the function 20:55:49 *Xach* disappears in a puff of logic 20:55:55 saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:47 how are we doing for space in instance-header widetags? i think i'd like to grab one bit for differentiating between structures and clos instances... 20:57:02 -!- sellout [n=greg@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 20:57:18 Xach: the point is that the implementation is allowed to forget the designator and store the function at any time it likes 20:57:40 Xach: however, it would be nice for sbcl to allow this kind of dynamicity 20:58:45 nikodemus: explain, particularly in the light of subclassable structs :-) 20:59:45 -!- george_ [n=george@189.107.219.55] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:00:50 rahul: I can see that as a reading of get-macro-character, but it seems like set-macro-character mandates associating the designator. 21:00:55 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:01:38 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@vipnet213-86.mobile.carnet.hr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:01:40 Krystof: the truly-the trick isn't safe, and to get the speedup without losing safety i need to be able to have a fast (typep x 'standard-object) 21:01:41 baddog [n=liam@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 21:02:05 to a lesser degree also maybe (typep x 'funcallable-standard-object) but that is less crucial 21:02:28 -!- baddog [n=liam@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:02:35 saikatc_ [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:49 Jasko2 [n=tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:49 and i _think_ that to have that speed i need the typecheck not to cause extra memory traffic 21:03:18 Xach: 1.4.1.5 allows either, I think 21:03:25 baddog [n=liam@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 21:03:32 Xach: and the "or" indicates that either is allowed, too 21:03:33 -!- udzinari [n=user@19.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:03:35 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:40 -!- saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:03:47 -!- saikatc_ is now known as saikatc 21:03:49 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@174.59.195.12] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:04:13 i'm still considering other options, though 21:04:51 maybe instance->layout->for-std-class-p is fast enough 21:07:28 YuleAthas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 21:07:40 slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0250.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 21:07:48 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:07:52 mathrick [n=mathrick@dynamic-78-8-158-74.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #lisp 21:08:17 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@69.38.240.242] has quit [] 21:08:19 Xach: problems quitting? 21:08:37 -!- maus_ [n=maus@94.231.112.177] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:08:38 Xach: your argument makes a lot of sense 21:08:39 adeht: yeah, when i close the window and try to re-start, for example, i get errors 21:09:02 "an error" 21:09:17 george [n=george@189.107.165.225] has joined #lisp 21:09:20 adeht: freeglut ERROR: Function called without first calling 'glutInit'. 21:09:29 adeht: and the freeglut error handler (i guess) kills lisp 21:10:44 adeht: i really like how simple and easy-to-follow your code is. it makes me want to tweak and hack it. :) 21:11:46 sounds like the opposite of mine.. 21:11:53 Xach: that's a bug in cl-opengl 21:12:05 I have a patch for it 21:12:15 adeht: oh! ok. where is it? 21:12:34 sec 21:12:41 sellout [n=greg@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:23 -!- nha [n=prefect@31-174.4-85.fix.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:13:52 -!- sellout [n=greg@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:14:16 -!- proun [n=proun@cpe-74-77-136-191.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit ["leaving"] 21:14:55 -!- george__ [n=george@189.107.155.59] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:15:04 adeht pasted "cl-opengl patch" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92279 21:15:08 ah, that's why...the CHAR-CODE DERIVE-TYPE optimizer appears to be broken :( 21:15:46 Xach: that's actually two patches.. one for the re-initialization bug, the other (shadowing) so that ECL can compile it 21:15:56 (ECL requires another patch for that, however) 21:16:21 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:17:32 or something with the type system is losing information about things known to be base-char 21:17:39 Xach: as for the code.. it's simple, yeah.. and I can't say I thought a lot about it :).. it was a bit of an experiment.. unconcious programming 21:17:58 Xach: when I had a seemingly tough problem I just said "not today".. then some other day a workable solution would pop up 21:18:04 and I'd just implement it 21:18:33 TJohn [i=as@118-160-161-2.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:12 anikodemus: I like how you replaced a raw 8 with (ash 1 n-f-tag-bits) but left as-is the comment above that mentions SHL Y *4* ;) 21:20:42 -!- jtza8 [n=jtza8@iburst-41-213-21-74.iburst.co.za] has quit ["Good night."] 21:21:32 -!- TJohn [i=as@118-160-161-2.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:21:56 pkhuong: where? 21:22:04 what? 21:22:05 rpg [n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:04 And this is a perfect example of the danger of redundant comments, I guess, and which I keep repeating to my students, who remain convinced that "more comments is better". 21:24:02 oh, that's froydnj, sorry. 21:25:09 pkhuong: is this the "Faster but bigger..."? 21:25:17 nikodemus: right. 21:25:39 I guess that was supposed to be SHL Y 2, back on x86. 21:26:41 Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-37-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:07 pkhuong: doh 21:27:21 that's what the x86 backend says :) 21:28:08 argh, foiled by source-transform-character-set-typep 21:28:36 beach: the comment is useful. 21:32:56 -!- george [n=george@189.107.165.225] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:33:15 Davidbrcz [i=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 21:34:22 Krystof: did you consider adding utf-8b support? 21:35:14 george [n=george@189.107.196.61] has joined #lisp 21:38:59 -!- mstevens [n=mstevens@81.2.103.23] has quit [] 21:40:11 -!- morphling [n=stefan@gssn-5f754489.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:43:35 nikodemus: yes. Haven't got round to it yet 21:43:58 froydnj: /me foils you 21:44:15 -!- gabnet [n=gabnet@226.23.67-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:44:21 froydnj: what are you doing? 21:44:37 -!- Kludgy [n=therealk@S01060018f85956c8.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:44:45 Krystof: what, with types? 21:45:04 -!- gruseom [n=daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:45:08 yeah 21:46:03 trying to figure out why sb-impl::get-cat-entry (and associated OAOOM macros sb-impl::char-class{,2,3}) have such awful code 21:46:49 and I think I now understand why 21:47:55 and will have to resort to compiler ugliness or just hack in TRULY-THE and be done 21:49:56 (afaics, it's because s-t-c-s-t only enables the compiler to assert CHARACTERness of X in (typep X 'base-char), not BASE_CHARness as might be expected, so later type derivation on (char-code X) only knows CHARACTERness of X) 21:51:21 -!- cools [n=user@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["brb"] 21:51:52 -!- kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:52:35 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@ABordeaux-158-1-129-139.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Valete!"] 21:53:25 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:53:39 gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-184-205-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:49 sellout: herep 21:54:01 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-184-205-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:54:04 -!- gigamonk` is now known as gigamonkey 21:54:23 Or anyone else who groks Bordeaux Threads? 21:56:12 jeti [n=jeti@p548EBFE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:23 does someone have sbcl on windows handy? 21:56:57 *_3b* has 1.0.29 up 21:57:21 is (EXTERN-ALIEN "setenv" (FUNCTION INT C-STRING C-STRING INT)) correct, or should it be _setenv for Windows? 21:57:44 ditto for unsetenv 21:57:48 <_3b> undefined alien for both 21:58:42 but windows has putenv, right? 21:58:49 maybe should load msvcrt 21:59:00 <_3b> "putenv" seems to work 21:59:31 ok, one more thing 21:59:40 ah 21:59:41 <_3b> msdn says that is deprecated and _putenv is preferred which also works 22:00:00 _3b linky? 22:00:33 gigamonkey: I think that just asking has better prospects than setting a self-evaluation hurdle first. :) 22:00:33 <_3b> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235321%28VS.80%29.aspx 22:01:46 ltriant [n=ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:01:52 <_3b> (and by work, i mean substituting it in the extern-alien form returns something, didn't actually try calling it) 22:02:00 Okay. So I have a threaded queue that block dequeue until there are items on the queue ... 22:02:20 Using bordeaux-threads I implement this with a condition variable 'non-empty' which I notify on whenever I enqueue something. 22:02:55 But I also want a method that will return all the items on the queue and clear it out as an atomic action. 22:02:55 -!- s0ber [n=s0ber@118-160-168-140.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:03:00 aha, so _putenv_s is almost like setenv 22:03:23 However there's no way to un-notify on a condition variable without waiting on it which entails releasing and reaquiring the lock. 22:03:27 What do I do? 22:04:08 (Probably anyone who groks POSIX condition variables could tell me the right way to do this.) 22:04:14 just grab the mutex and grab everything 22:04:14 s0ber [n=s0ber@118-160-167-185.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:31 you can't trust condition variable notifications to be true anyways 22:04:41 that is, bogus notifications are allowed 22:04:42 Yeah, but that could leave the condition variable indicating the queue is non-empty when it's not. Hmmmm. Right, that doesn't matter. 22:04:47 Of course. 22:04:58 My dequeue already deals with that. Duh. 22:05:02 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:05:17 but what you really want is a semaphore and a lockless queue :) 22:06:49 Well, in Allegro they have GATES which is what I used when I wrote this code for that Lisp. 22:07:54 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:08:52 <_3b> doesn't look like i have _putenv_s 22:09:09 -!- jeti [n=jeti@p548EBFE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 22:10:05 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 22:11:55 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-109-83.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:13:05 hm, maybe it needs to be added to the runtime in order to pull it in *sigh* 22:13:15 -!- LiamH [n=none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:14:02 <_3b> might just need newer .dll, i'm running xp, i think sp2 22:14:12 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 22:14:56 -!- spec[away] is now known as mrSpec 22:15:21 nikodemus: you've sorted out your gpg, then 22:15:48 jestocost [n=cmell@174.93.48.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 22:15:53 i have! 22:16:16 -!- mgr [n=mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:19:53 froydnj: hm, I see 22:19:54 -!- Dawgmatix [n=user@c-76-124-8-39.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:20:26 Dawgmatix [n=user@c-76-124-8-39.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:19 froydnj: you could special-case base-char like character is special-cased 22:23:50 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:57 _3b: if you still have a minute... 22:25:08 davazp [n=user@102.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:14 -!- Davidbrcz [i=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:25:22 (in-package :sb-posix) (define-call "_putenv" int minusp (string c-string)) (in-package :cl-user) (sb-posix:putenv "FOO=123") (last (posix-environ)) (gc :full t) (last (posix-environ)) 22:27:03 <_3b> doesn't like posix-environ 22:27:32 sb-ext 22:28:23 <_3b> ok, that's what i thought, probably the #-win32 right before the definition causing problems then :) 22:28:44 If everyone would just move over to windows, it would make things so much easier for everyone else. 22:28:53 schoppenhauer [n=christop@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 22:28:56 _3b: haha 22:29:04 <_3b> balooga1: only if we moved to MS tools too :/ 22:29:19 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-129-139.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:29:21 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:29:59 -!- crod [n=cmell@188.241.48.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:30:47 -!- beach` is now known as beach 22:31:09 ok, maybe i'll just not worry about windows here and now 22:31:23 oh, wait 22:31:47 _3b what if you replace the (last (posix-environ)) with (posix-getenv "FOO") 22:32:13 <_3b> seems to work though, if i define posix-environ and c-strings->string-list (original version, trying posix-gentenv now) 22:32:40 what i'm interested if GC mangles the new entry or not 22:32:47 _3b: Agreed. dos4gw.exe rules. 22:33:05 <_3b> nikodemus: looks OK with both 22:33:10 ok, nice 22:33:30 -!- cvandusen [n=user@12.185.80.194] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:34:17 <_3b> balooga1: wasn't the w in dos4gw watcom though? 22:34:17 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:30 -!- prxq [n=mommer@f052033193.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:36:49 <_deepfire> Does slime take over comment indentation from emacs? 22:37:00 _3b: maybe :) 22:37:29 <_deepfire> I'm trying to figure out why my ;-comments aren't properly indented to the value of comment-column 22:37:31 <_3b> balooga1: also, not implying that MS tools are good or anything, just that they don't document how to do anything without them (like the current example of _putenv_s, as far as i can tell all you get is something saying which compiler switch to use, and the rest is up to toolchain magic) 22:38:04 -!- jestocost [n=cmell@174.93.48.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:38:17 -!- kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:38:27 froydnj: re character types, how about an "assert-type" predicate? 22:38:40 *_3b* suspects the proper way to get it is to ship some .dll, or installer for a .dll, along with the binary 22:38:42 -!- TuxPurple [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:39:01 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@ABordeaux-158-1-109-83.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:39:24 -!- kami [n=user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:39:41 Paste coming up. 22:39:42 jestocost [n=cmell@174.93.48.60.kmr02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 22:40:19 -!- varjag [n=eugene@103.80-202-117.nextgentel.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:40:42 Davidbrcz [i=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 22:40:44 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0250.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:41:31 bobbysmith007 pasted "Odd sbcl socket/stream bug" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92281 22:41:33 how does one generate lisp bindings to C code automatically, which is the best tool to use? 22:41:55 Guthur: Swig worked for me 22:42:16 I was wondering if anyone else had experienced that error or if I should just forward it to the sbcl mailing list 22:42:28 foom: cool, i'll give that a go, never tried this before so... 22:42:50 *_3b* used hacked verrazano last time i made bindings, and edited from there 22:43:12 -!- mishoo [n=mishoo@79.112.111.234] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:43:26 bobbysmith0071: what on earth are you trying to do? 22:43:43 I am pulling stats from our router to help IT staff diagnose errors 22:44:01 this had been working for a few months. That paste is just the minimum case I have found that reproduces the error 22:44:15 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 22:44:18 <_3b> seems like easiest fix would be to use an 8bit external format 22:44:24 bobbysmith0071: well, tell it to send valid data 22:44:24 Guthur: 1.3.36 had a bug with generating defcenum, it used (cl:ash 1 15) instead of #.(cl:ash 1 15) from 1 << 15. 22:44:36 bobbysmith0071: what on earth are you doing with file-position? 22:44:42 _3b: it has a similar error with :utf8 22:44:42 <_3b> assuming it actually sends 255, and you can't fix that 22:44:50 bobbysmith0071: and why on earth are you using the gray streams function for it? 22:45:02 Guthur: but 1.3.40 fixed that. Other than that easily-worked-around bug, 1.3.36 worked fine. 22:45:05 it also seemed odd that the stream never reports the correct location into it we have read 22:45:11 <_3b> bobbysmith0071: right, utf8 is an encoding of a 21bit external format, try latin1 or something 22:45:22 _3b: ok lemme check 22:45:26 file-position is meaningless on a socket 22:45:31 foom ok cheers, this is a very small lib not sure if it even has any enum 22:45:36 francogrex [n=user@200.32-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 22:45:36 bobbysmith0071: a socket is not a file. 22:45:43 nikodemus: ahh... thanks 22:46:03 also, :external-format :latin-1 22:46:07 *_3b* isn't phrasing things very precisely, the goal is to have 255 be a valid input sequence, which it isn't in ascii or utf8 22:46:26 if usocket doesn't support :external-format arguments, ask the maintainer to add them 22:46:32 -!- dandersen [n=dkcl@metabug/dandersen] has quit ["leaving"] 22:46:44 dandersen [n=dkcl@metabug/dandersen] has joined #lisp 22:47:32 or just accept the error and discard the bogus byte 22:47:41 nikodemus & _3b: thanks for the help, latin-1 definitely makes it decodable, but with a line of gibberish at the top that never used to be there 22:48:01 <_3b> looks like 255 is meaningful to telnet, so might not want to discard it 22:48:01 I will try to track down whatever else changed... perhaps someone changed the default encoding in the router or something stupid 22:48:16 demmeln [n=Adium@dslb-094-216-206-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:28 haha, character lossage 22:48:45 -!- francogrex [n=user@200.32-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Client Quit] 22:48:46 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:49:01 <_3b> bobbysmith0071: probably you were just losing telnet protocol stuff previously 22:49:23 nikodemus: file-position could be meaningful on a socket, not so much (setf file-position) 22:50:25 pkhuong pasted "Stashing type information while source transforming" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92282 22:51:00 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:01 tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 22:51:17 rahul: I wasnt actually using grey-streams in the code, it was just the most basic functionality I saw where I could actually reproduce the problems. I was actually using usocket and I went to look for stream position and that was the function I found that actually allowed me to seek ahead past the "bad" characters 22:52:19 froydnj: assert-type is a predicate, much like typep, except that it's an assertion, and always returns T. 22:52:42 bobbysmith0071: it's not doing that 22:53:15 rahul: what is it doing then? experimentally that certainly the results I got :/ 22:53:35 -!- bobbysmith0071 is now known as bobbysmith007 22:53:51 bobbysmith007: yes. your code and $2.25 will also get you on the NY subway 22:54:15 -!- demmeln [n=Adium@dslb-094-216-206-061.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 22:54:31 foom: is it only possible to take the lazy approach with header files 22:54:32 What's nfroyd's irc nick again? 22:54:41 tcr: froydnj. 22:54:42 froydnj: ah right! 22:54:47 do i have to be specific about what is exported form .c 22:55:08 rahul: well thats why I was asking what (sb-gray:stream-file-position *strm* 1) actually does, the docs seemed to imply that it would seek forward to position 1 of the stream... 22:55:20 bobbysmith007: if it's a file 22:55:26 bobbysmith007: forward or backward 22:55:32 clhs file-position 22:55:33 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_file_p.htm 22:55:35 generated the bindings for the .h no problem, by just including that in the swig .i file would like to do the same with source files 22:56:09 froydnj: In your last blog posting, the last paragraph; I think the second "reinitializating" is supposed to be "reinstantiating" 22:56:26 Guthur: err, you can include a .c file just as well 22:56:40 Guthur: but why don't you have headers for your functions in a .h file to begin with. :) 22:56:54 ah so you can 22:57:03 foom not my lib 22:57:17 -!- TDT [n=user@vs1202.rosehosting.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:57:21 rahul: alright, I see that on files, I get something that responds to that interface and it fixed my problem predictably when I called it with 1. Which is why it seems odd to be so wrong about its functionality. What then is the correct way to seek forward in a network stream? 22:57:27 its the way the swig page is worded, it seems to imply its only for header files 22:57:53 bobbysmith007: read a byte 22:58:23 bobbysmith007: you can't seek in sockets 22:58:32 -!- Draggor [n=Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59:14 fe[nl]ix: what can file-position mean on a socket? 23:00:07 cools [n=user@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:00:32 nikodemus: number of octets read 23:00:37 -!- bfein [n=bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Adios"] 23:00:40 bobbysmith007: as you can see, the call to file-position failed when you performed it 23:01:20 rahul: I couldnt read either byte or character because the stream was configured as ascii and the first byte was 255. So while I was trying to figure it out I was looking to simply seek past the first byte to see if the whole stream was corrupt or something else was going on. 23:01:33 bobbysmith007: and the seek did nothing 23:01:47 nikodemus: what do you think of patching things with the paste above instead of fixing character and array type tests? 23:01:47 bobbysmith007: the read is the only thing that did anything 23:01:53 rahul: except it fixed my problem every single time? 23:02:06 bobbysmith007: Set the socket in non-blocking mode and read until it fails with EAGAIN. 23:02:10 bobbysmith007: it and the read fixed it 23:02:16 rahul: I could keep calling read and getting errors until such a time as I called (file-position *s* 1) and then read would work fine 23:02:41 "CL-USER>" 23:02:45 rahul: which is why it seemed buggy at first 23:03:00 pkhuong: i had something similar called TYPEP-RESULT in earlier. i'm not terribly opposed to it, since it makes type transforms easier to maintain 23:03:09 bobbysmith007: um, were you calling read or read-char-no-hang? 23:03:34 rahul: read-char 23:03:45 then also read-char-no-hang 23:03:53 both with the same results predictably 23:04:00 *rahul* facepalm 23:04:01 Krystof: Until proof of the contrary, I'll assume it's a bug on lisppaste's end. The XML-RPC client has to escape XMLy stuff. 23:04:05 read-char was giving you NIL? 23:04:23 rahul: both versions of read-char were throwing exceptions everytime about invalid bytes 23:04:39 rahul: then as soon as I called file-position read worked every single call 23:04:50 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:04:57 rahul: which is why I was so surprised I was so far off 23:05:54 some materials up at http://sbcl10.sbcl.org/ 23:05:58 MORE WANTED 23:06:33 bobbysmith007: the file-position call explicitly returned failure, so I don't see how it made a difference 23:06:53 bobbysmith007: and the read-char should have ended up discarding the bad octet 23:07:09 oh, that reminds me. I'm a naughty boy who started putting latin1 characters in his CL files. Right now SBCL barfs and I have to choose the resync restart. What's a good way to make this work when I'm loading files via ASDF? 23:07:11 bobbysmith007: and read-char-no-hang is a red herring 23:08:05 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:08:35 hefner: run recode on your files... 23:08:40 anyone aware of the documentation for GECO being available somewhere 23:08:41 No. 23:08:45 hefner: :around method on perform? 23:08:57 the link seems to be broke on the project page 23:09:09 rahul: well I was able to repeat this process on a freshly opened socket with a variable number of starting reads, but every time, as soon as I called file-position it would immediately start reading the bytes I was expecting 23:09:19 (defmethod perform ((operation compile-op) (c cl-source-file)) 23:09:29 should take &key external-format and pass that along to compile-file 23:09:42 er no 23:10:05 rahul: also I am pretty sure that my reads were not discarding the initial bad bytes (there were < 10) but it was infinite looping when I wrapped the read-char in ignore-errors to just try and discard the bad bytes 23:10:07 it should be in the cl-source-file object... default should probably come from the parent module 23:10:17 okay, something in the vein of an asdf kludge. thanks. 23:10:18 -!- Davidbrcz [i=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:10:48 more like an additional feature 23:11:05 bobbysmith007: either way I have a working solution with the latin-1 external format. If I find anymore info I will annotate the paste and reengage in this conversation. Sorry for the distraction :) 23:11:16 bobbysmith007: maybe there was a restart that discarded the bad character 23:11:26 rahul: perhaps 23:11:30 that you should have used instead... if there's not, I think there should be 23:11:58 rahul: I looked for one, but didnt see anything that seemed likely, just a replace all of the input with a string restart 23:12:04 rahul: well, just the other night it was claimed here that systems should be 100% declarative things with no messy code involved 23:12:39 hefner: the same people probably also claim that everything should be strict utf-8. 23:12:57 even JPEGs should be utf-8! 23:14:23 gruseom [n=daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:10 heh 23:15:29 hefner: adding external-format as an attribute is declarative... 23:15:41 hefner: by whom ? 23:16:25 francogrex [n=user@200.32-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:16:37 difficult to say. 23:16:38 and I agree that systems should be declarative 23:16:52 however, that doesn't mean they can't contain code 23:17:44 e.g., my wild-modules are declarative, but contents are dependent on things outside of their declaration 23:20:16 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@dynamic-78-8-158-74.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:20:23 mathrick [n=mathrick@dynamic-78-8-158-74.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #lisp 23:21:03 bombshelter13b [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:04 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:21:50 -!- gonzojive_ [n=red@c-76-21-112-182.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:23:45 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:25 -!- francogrex [n=user@200.32-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:24:47 fe[nl]ix: Can you name a few utilities that cffi uses from alexandria? 23:26:53 xan [n=xan@13.Red-83-36-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:27:08 foom: can't be worse than double utf-8 and xml encoding. 23:27:20 tcr: ("FORMAT-SYMBOL" "WHEN-LET" "MAKE-GENSYM-LIST" "PARSE-BODY" "ONCE-ONLY" "FEATUREP" "IF-LET" "SYMBOLICATE" "LASTCAR" "WITH-UNIQUE-NAMES" "HASH-TABLE-VALUES" "MAKE-KEYWORD" "ENSURE-LIST") 23:27:30 good night 23:27:36 fe[nl]ix: heh thanks 23:27:45 (quit) 23:27:54 -!- serichsen [n=user@hmbg-4d06d069.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["ugh"] 23:27:57 tcr: (loop for s being the symbols of :cffi when (eql (find-package :alexandria) (symbol-package s)) collect (symbol-name s)) 23:29:38 Yeah I should have come to that myself :-) 23:32:04 I get a pathname which looks like "#" 23:32:28 What are the circumstances that results in something like that? 23:33:19 trying NAMESTRING on it (just for the fun of it) results in an obscure "too many dots in the name:" 23:35:12 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-72-228-78-176.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [] 23:35:39 I get such an object from: (asdf:component-pathname (find "tests.lisp" (asdf:module-components (asdf:find-system "alexandria")) :test #'string= :key #'asdf:component-name)) 23:35:41 -!- ryepup [n=ryepup@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has left #lisp 23:35:51 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-72-228-78-176.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:36:00 Do you get the same? 23:39:42 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:39:50 tcr: (make-pathname :name "tests.lisp") 23:40:56 -!- YuleAthas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:43:07 fe[nl]ix: alexandria.asd contains (:static-file "tests.lisp") which is the "culprit"; is this supposed to work like this, or is there some bug either in asdf or sbcl? 23:45:54 tcr: I think that :static-file is suppose to work that way, but it's broken anyway 23:46:08 "it"? 23:46:30 Where should I complain about it? :-) 23:47:02 -!- hefner [n=hefner@ppp-58-9-109-139.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:47:25 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:47:54 tcr: tests.lisp should be eliminated from :alexandria . it's useless there, being part of :alexandria-tests 23:48:46 Is :static-file not supposed to work on files which contain a dot? 23:50:45 seangrove [n=user@adsl-99-33-24-178.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:47 tcr: the value specified in the system is suppose to be the file's name, to which the component class adds a default type 23:51:16 tcr: but static files have no default type 23:53:21 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:28 -!- bobbysmith007 [n=russ@216.155.97.1] has left #lisp 23:54:28 tcr: see source-file-type in asdf.lisp 23:55:29 -!- davazp [n=user@102.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:55:44 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:23 Guthur pasted "swig to lisp a no go?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92287 23:57:04 Guthur: what is that? 23:57:23 What exactly is "a no go"? 23:57:31 i get an sim.i:44: Error: Syntax error in input(1) 23:58:31 davazp [n=user@102.Red-83-57-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:36 ah wait nvm 23:58:37 sorry 23:59:56 it was naming thing, can't use hyphen in the module name