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co? 08:53:25 Soulman [n=kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 08:53:53 it's an easy way, yes 08:54:46 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 08:54:57 alternative? what do you use to keep your setup up to date? 08:55:38 udzinari: I guess maybe you could download the prebuilt binary ? 08:55:57 tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 08:55:58 alternative is doing everything by hand, i personally use a similar to clbuild process 08:56:12 schme: I want to build 08:57:01 stassats: ok, thanks 08:57:20 udzinari: I use clbuild then. 08:57:21 -!- dto [n=dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:57:57 anyway you need a prebuilt binary to bootstrap 08:58:04 trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 08:58:10 HET2 [n=diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:59:35 dto [n=dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:59:37 or build some clisp to do it (: 08:59:57 folks, is usocket:wait-for-input supposed to work with a :timeout? 09:00:03 it never seems to timeout here.. 09:00:04 what's wrong with checking out the sbcl sources, run make.sh, and then install.sh? 09:00:22 prxq: it could be automated 09:00:33 if you value tour time 09:01:42 stassats: automated to what extend? (I value my time, yes, but I am not starved for seconds. :-) ) 09:02:05 seconds add up 09:02:35 less typing of keyboard. saves your hands and wrists. 09:03:00 i bet dropping the irc habit has more potential :-) 09:03:30 but irc is a social activity 09:04:07 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 09:05:21 prxq: that's like dropping heroin. 09:05:38 it keeps from getting mad while writing lisp code locked in a basement all day long 09:05:57 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-bjrvfeiautcgtfdk] has joined #lisp 09:06:02 locked up in a basement? hrmm... it puts the code in the repl, or else it gets the hose again. 09:06:55 -!- skeptomai|away [n=ncb@c-71-227-156-96.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.2.0"] 09:07:47 crat [n=nox_@124-171-44-77.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:07:56 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 09:08:49 -!- envi^office [i=envi@203.109.25.110] has left #lisp 09:08:52 skeptomai|away [n=nncb@c-71-227-156-96.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:11 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 09:11:37 Good morning! 09:11:47 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:11:58 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 09:12:22 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 09:12:35 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:13:15 -!- udzinari [n=user@nat/ibm/x-hdqgjuavmpmwfkco] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:13:27 udzinari [n=user@nat/ibm/x-evvhnlmzpcdhujbo] has joined #lisp 09:14:13 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:14:29 G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #lisp 09:14:52 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 09:14:56 morning 09:15:35 TuxPurple_ [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has joined #lisp 09:17:45 OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@219-89-104-76.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:18:42 xan [n=xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 09:18:58 maacl [n=mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 09:20:01 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 09:20:01 -!- kpreid__ [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:24:15 Hey Xof! How is the event going? 09:24:25 OK, I think 09:24:37 I must now disappear to acquire lunch 09:24:39 will blog later :-) 09:26:36 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:31:29 -!- Guest40273 [n=TuxPurpl@86.51.114.110] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:31:41 nha [n=prefect@31-174.4-85.fix.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:34:43 grouzen [n=grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 09:35:58 crat_ [n=nox_@203-214-62-23.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:36:04 tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 09:36:25 nunb_ [n=nundan@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 09:40:01 Yuuhi` [i=benni@p5483ADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:42:07 demmeln [n=Adium@129.187.205.125] has joined #lisp 09:43:37 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 09:44:14 z0d [n=z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 09:45:16 -!- bombshelter13b 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Are the socket functionalities and their names very different between the various lisp implementations? I want to write a certain application in Lisp (probably using clisp) but I'm turned off by the non-standard socket interfaces across the various lisps :( 11:21:15 There are some compatibility layers, iirc. 11:21:53 kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:22:05 http://www.cl-user.net/asp/search?search=socket 11:22:11 kejsaren3 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:22:33 cffi-net might be the most portable 11:22:48 usocket also looks relevant for you. 11:25:41 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:26:11 rmsc [n=rmsc@a85-139-194-125.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 11:28:20 -!- kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:30:24 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #lisp 11:30:44 thanks, looking at usocket right now, it seems to be lacking some things but it's at least quite portable so maybe I'll go with it. 11:34:15 Axius [n=ade@92.82.70.222] has joined #lisp 11:35:47 merl15: I'm playing with it too, but not too happy :( 11:36:18 usocket:wait-for-input doesn't seem to timeout when given a :timeout argument 11:36:38 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:36:50 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:37:45 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.160.41.129] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:40:41 ah, damn, I really wanted to do this thing in lisp but it seems like I might be better of writing it in another language, at least for portability's sake.. 11:41:11 merl15: in my experience, portability is a bonus, not a primary goal. 11:41:24 minion: iolib? 11:41:25 iolib: I/O(mainly networking) library containing: a BSD sockets library, a DNS resolver and an I/O multiplexer that supports select(2), epoll(4) and kqueue(2). http://www.cliki.net/iolib 11:41:26 merl15: if your program does something really useful, it will sometimes be ported free. 11:41:32 Well, you could drop back to cffi-socket, which is a thin wrapper around posix, iirc. 11:42:17 er, -net. 11:42:40 -!- Axius [n=ade@92.82.70.222] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:43:30 tcp/ip is portable 11:43:45 I don't care much about portability either, but I would enjoy some good documentation and code samples 11:43:53 *mishoo* sad 11:44:05 err .. for socket programming? 11:44:13 it is pretty much the same everywhere 11:45:22 -!- plage [n=user@laptop-147-210-129-138.labri.fr] has left #lisp 11:45:44 etate [n=cmalune@209.123.147.15] has joined #lisp 11:46:15 hey has anyone here got remote slime working from windows 7? 11:46:47 reprore [n=reprore@EM114-48-16-241.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:46:52 it isn't working? 11:48:39 stassats`: not for me, no. i'm using putty to create an ssh tunnel to a virtual machine and it always gives the same error 11:49:04 -!- Geralt [n=Geralt@unaffiliated/thegeralt] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:49:07 which error? 11:49:35 lnostdal, obviously not tcp/ip but the socket interfaces and how they work in the different lisp implementations. Most of them seem to have features specific to them only, which is why I asked my question in the first place. I guess I'll just have to look through the documentations for cffi-net and usocket well first. Thanks guys (and girls, if there are any) for the input, I'll see what I can do now.. 11:49:39 etate_ [n=cmalune@209.123.147.15] has joined #lisp 11:50:01 -!- reprore [n=reprore@EM114-48-16-241.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:51:40 mishoo: wait-for-input seems to work just fine for me. Are you on sbcl+windows? 11:51:41 Geralt [n=Geralt@p5B32BF70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:52 tcr: sbcl on linux 11:52:23 Wfm 11:53:09 tcr: no i'm on slime + windows, trying to connect remotely to a virtual machine 11:53:28 oops 11:53:40 etate_: you didn't say what error you get 11:54:47 tcr: well, probably stars rearranged in a happy formation, it now seems to work here too! 11:55:17 in any case, I have various other problems, which are probably my bad but I can't figure out how to fix it :-/ 11:56:01 usocket is actively maintained, so you should try the mailing list 11:56:33 -!- etate [n=cmalune@209.123.147.15] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:58:09 stassats`: make client process failed 11:58:40 stassats`: connection refused on host 127.0.0.1 service 4005 11:58:50 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:59:17 -!- kpreid_ [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:59:18 configure your tunneling and vm networking better then 11:59:27 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:40 stassats`: if i do plink -ssh on the command line it connects fine 12:01:20 -!- mstevens [n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org] has quit ["leaving"] 12:01:21 stassats`: in fact i can even use plink from within emacs with tramp without problems 12:01:27 etate_: by default, the swank server stops accepting connections after the first success. did you start it with :dont-close t? 12:01:41 -!- YuleAthas [n=athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:01:55 etate_: Do you run GNU Emacs 23.1.x? 12:02:09 antifuchs: yeah i put: (swank:create-server :port 4005 :dont-close t) 12:02:17 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 12:02:22 tcr_: i'm on emacsw32 the latest one 12:02:52 tcr_: so yes 12:03:02 ruediger [n=quassel@93-82-13-226.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 12:03:31 Try to connect a few times, there's 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13:59:58 the days of 586, Oasis and shining GNU Hurd future of computing 14:00:10 mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@che33-1-82-66-18-171.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:20 PPro was neat. 14:00:27 -!- TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple 14:00:54 someone made a pentium math bug joke at work yesterday. it was pretty retro. 14:01:00 is there any documentation about Ivory instruction set? 14:01:48 as for retro, my 486DX2 seems faster sometimes than universitie's Core2 14:04:45 *cmm-* has just seriously upgraded his netbook by moving from firefox to chrome 14:07:56 -!- quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 14:08:06 cmm-: no need for privacy? 14:08:21 -!- reprore__ [n=reprore@EM114-48-16-241.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:08:24 ikki [n=ikki@200.95.162.111] has joined #lisp 14:08:32 Google AdOS 14:08:45 fight the power 14:08:49 p_l: 80 or 100 MHz? :) 14:09:13 G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #lisp 14:09:26 p_l: or was 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AMD had both a 80 and 133, IIRC, but I can't remember where Intel capped. 14:10:30 i remember working on Pentium/120MHz 14:11:11 32MB RAM, was kinda cool 14:11:13 <_deepfire> p_l, what do you run on your 486? 14:12:45 <_deepfire> p_l, I'm rather impressed if you satisfactorily run any sort of modern-ish linuxen on that machine.. 14:12:58 fusss: privacy is overrated 14:13:34 -!- kwinz3 [n=kwinz@e194-052.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:13:50 _deepfire: I think debian has explicitly marked 686+ packages on x86. 14:13:52 kwinz3 [n=kwinz@e194-052.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 14:14:18 ignas_ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 14:14:22 jdz_: 66MHz 14:14:40 cmm-: study consumer profiling, data mining, etc. the matrices will ID you with far fewer indicators than you can imagine 14:15:07 _deepfire: no, no longer running. It's just that Windows 95 OSR2 + Office 97 that ran on it were more responsive than what is on university computers now... 14:15:12 bigdongs [i=62f7735e@gateway/web/freenode/x-hkvxsugexbnxfjlf] has joined #lisp 14:16:01 <_deepfire> Oh, that's a compelling argument for single address-space OSes :-) 14:17:05 read Krulwich, Pazzani, etc. they were able to identify a student in 500 based on their tastes in cuisine in one study. 14:17:22 help settle an argument: if you had bit operations in a lisp, would it be a good idea to have XOR with one argument acting as bitwise not? 14:17:42 bigdongs: if? 14:18:02 clhs logxor 14:18:03 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_logand.htm 14:18:04 "if you had"? we alreadyhave 14:18:07 ASD [i=mokou@i.orz.fi] has joined #lisp 14:18:12 Xach: sorry, i don't know lisp well. how does it actually work, then? 14:18:19 -!- ASD is now known as Guest27064 14:18:19 bigdongs: see link above 14:18:20 <_deepfire> (logxor 1) => 1 14:18:27 thank you, sirs 14:18:34 -!- YuleAthas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:19:33 <_deepfire> It's actually amazing. I remember myself arguing about Lisp features when I barely knew drat about it. 14:20:05 <_deepfire> There must be some kind of an explanation for this :-) 14:20:09 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:20:44 I believe it's called the Dunning-Kruger effect 14:21:31 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 14:21:56 <_deepfire> dlowe, Seriously, wow! 14:22:09 Xach: planet lisp stripped out all my inline styling :( 14:22:15 Any particular reason? 14:22:46 kpreid: the html sanitizer i use does that by default 14:22:49 hey folks. i have a linux binary of the beta for my CL game Sanctuary, http://dto.github.com/notebook/sanctuary.html <---- anyone on 32-bit linux want to try out a lisp game? requires libsdl, libsdl-mixer, libsdl-gfx, and libsdl-image to be installed 14:23:17 Xach: I can't think of any reason it'd be unsafe, but I admit I don't know everything every browser supports as a css extension 14:23:30 mikezor_ [n=mikael@c-5de570d5.04-404-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 14:23:31 jleija [n=jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:10 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:28 -!- Guest27064 [i=mokou@i.orz.fi] has left #lisp 14:25:47 -!- etate_ [n=cmalune@209.123.147.15] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:25:52 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 14:26:08 _deepfire: i have been a quiet lisper for 6 years. all that changed in the last 1.5, however; online ranting is way better than actual problem solving. 14:26:15 kpreid: it's possible to do some malicious annoyances using absolute coordinates, floating, and background images 14:26:28 point! 14:26:39 hm 14:26:48 -!- whoppix [n=whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp0681.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:26:53 brandelune [n=suzume@pl807.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:27:22 TDT [n=user@vs1202.rosehosting.com] has joined #lisp 14:27:31 i don't think that's much of an issue with the planet lisp people, but it's easier to simply accept the default filtering and adjust it if really, truly, super-duper necessary 14:27:53 well, if you'd gotten it, the image would auto-resize to not get cropped :) 14:28:15 kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:39 carlocci [n=nes@93.37.201.116] has joined #lisp 14:28:52 c.l.l scares me sometimes. heh. I rarely read there, but am today, some of the conversation, meh. 14:29:26 -!- gemelen_ [n=shelta@shpd-92-101-141-130.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:29:46 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:29:55 TDT: cll is full of would-be unabombers 14:30:01 -!- G0SUB [n=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:30:05 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 14:31:11 -!- kwinz3 [n=kwinz@e194-052.eduroam.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 14:31:52 <_deepfire> fusss, it's hard to find the proper balance between losing yourself in conversations vs. underusing the motivating aspects of communication 14:32:54 lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 14:33:27 _deepfire: fwiw, i find the crowd there cynical and unmotivated, thought knowledgeable. opposite of reddit; young, enthusiastic, fickle and inexperienced. 14:33:47 <_deepfire> fusss, I mostly agree 14:34:29 cvandusen [n=user@12.185.80.194] has joined #lisp 14:34:40 <_deepfire> And it's sad, sad, sad. 14:34:41 rrice [n=rrice@adsl-99-51-210-129.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:43 I haven't spent much time there yet, but a language war is really something people should just ignore at this point 14:34:44 #lisp strikes a healthy balance; angry, cynical, skilled, motivated, and young but with receding hairlines and sleep disorders. 14:34:55 -!- kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:35:38 -!- mikezor [n=mikael@c-5de570d5.04-404-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:36:04 <_deepfire> Maybe c.l.l needs moderation, after all. 14:36:09 tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:29 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:36:50 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 14:37:02 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:11 it, like the rest of the internet, needs very intelligent adaptive text classification tools; google alerts + automatic categorization + summarization 14:37:15 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@e179164040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:37:29 -!- rullie [n=rullie@bas4-toronto47-1176151486.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:37:48 dto: it says Cannot find module "standard" in paths (#P"/home/dto/xe2/"). /home/dto/ doesn't sound like a sane default 14:37:57 fiveop [n=fiveop@g229120229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:38:18 Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #lisp 14:38:30 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 14:38:34 stassats`: i'm still having trouble getting the executable to find out where it is. there's a simple workaround, 14:38:34 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:38:59 stassats`: see the download notes on http://dto.github.com/notebook/xong.html <---- you have to create a tiny config file 14:39:10 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 14:39:11 fusss: I've been experimenting with bayesian classification on my rss feeds to distinguish "interesting" from "boring" 14:39:28 stassats`: that /home/dto has been included at compile time, but this is incorrect and we're working to make it do the right thing 14:39:45 dlowe: interesting 14:39:45 dto: i noticed that (it says this in the second line of an error message) 14:40:17 rullie [n=rullie@bas4-toronto47-1176149321.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:40:26 -!- redblue [i=star@ppp071.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:40:41 <_deepfire> dlowe, crm114? 14:41:00 dlowe: what classifier software are you using to do that? 14:41:03 dto: path set, it works, too bad i don't like games 14:41:51 stassats`: haha :) 14:42:19 kpreid: just wrote my own 14:42:25 _deepfire: from Dr. Strangelove? 14:42:52 <_deepfire> dlowe, yes 14:43:10 _deepfire: well, damn. that would have saved a lot of work :p 14:44:32 <_deepfire> dlowe, what's your end-point wiring? that is, what RSS client do you use/how do you tie in the classifier? 14:44:50 serichsen [n=user@hmbg-4d06e2d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:37 -!- TuxPurple [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has quit ["bbl"] 14:45:37 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:46:04 kwinz3 [i=kwinz@213142100098.public.telering.at] has joined #lisp 14:47:19 _deepfire: it's not integrated into my actual workflow - I've just been trying to train it 14:47:37 to see if I'm predictable enough for it to be useful 14:49:20 -!- phadthai [i=mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:49:25 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-72-186.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:49:29 <_deepfire> This will revolutionise news reading. 14:49:42 Yuuhi`` [i=benni@p5483ADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:49:53 sykopomp` [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 14:50:23 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kzjvcaeveuvcwnbn] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- Reaver1 [n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- Yuuhi` [i=benni@p5483ADDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- jrockway [n=jrockway@stonepath.jrock.us] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- sjbach [n=sjbach__@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- p_l [i=plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-sdboqcbobhsarknt] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- Ralith_ [n=ralith@69.90.48.97] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- jsoft [n=user@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- getha [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- hicx174 [n=hicx174@123.108.171.227] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- lharc [n=shrek@88.131.67.194] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-223-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 14:50:23 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-117.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:50:24 <_deepfire> The mass media is overwhelmingly noise, and so signal extraction is very costly for individuals. 14:50:59 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 14:50:59 <_deepfire> This could make these costs manageable. 14:51:35 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:52:14 <_deepfire> dlowe, I bow to your guided curiosity. 14:52:26 jrockway [n=jrockway@stonepath.jrock.us] has joined #lisp 14:52:36 p_l [i=plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-iwvlygjzoyesfgzd] has joined #lisp 14:52:42 Ralith [n=ralith@69.90.48.97] has joined #lisp 14:53:24 thijso [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 14:53:34 jsoft [n=user@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 14:53:43 Reaver1 [n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 14:53:49 merl15_ [n=merl@80-121-71-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 14:53:55 Wasn't reddit supposed to do the same, just using the neural network within the human brain? :-) 14:54:12 a cascade of attention-deficit teenagers, you mean? 14:54:33 hugod [n=hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279439992.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:54:34 -!- morphling_ [n=stefan@gssn-5f757c67.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:54:46 People who use IRC regularly surely cannot be strangers to expert signal extraction 14:54:58 the advantage of a classifier is that it can be tailored to an individual 14:55:23 <_3b> Jafet: automated signal detection would be nice for IRC too 14:55:26 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:55:29 Yeah but it's what reddit promised too :-) or at least what I once hoped it to become 14:55:54 they grew rich too fast :-/ 14:55:56 proggit is still pretty good 14:56:10 between proggit and hacker news, I feel pretty informed 14:56:19 <_deepfire> tcr, it's just happens to be as useful as any popularity contest is 14:56:34 I read slashdot! I am informed! 14:58:05 slyrus [n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-223-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:12 -!- merl15 [n=merl@80-121-45-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:58:59 _deepfire: I want a popularity contest, but only among like-minded people. 14:59:06 <_deepfire> Now, "we" need a CLIM-based RSS reader calling out to libcrm114 :-) 14:59:21 <_deepfire> tcr, good point 14:59:50 -!- p_l [i=plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-iwvlygjzoyesfgzd] has quit [Killed by douglas.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 14:59:54 p_l_ [i=plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/session] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kzjvcaeveuvcwnbn] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 sjbach [n=sjbach__@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 p_l [i=plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-sdboqcbobhsarknt] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 getha [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-223-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 hicx174 [n=hicx174@123.108.171.227] has joined #lisp 14:59:57 lharc [n=shrek@88.131.67.194] has joined #lisp 14:59:59 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-223-113.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Success] 15:00:38 -!- p_l [i=plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-sdboqcbobhsarknt] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 15:01:13 heh, mcclim is something I want to work with this next month, during break 15:01:31 billstclai [n=billstcl@dsl-65-219-210-158.taconic.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:38 Taking a class on AI next semester, hoping to use Lisp for it..but want to visualize stuff, so also working with cl-opengl a bit too 15:02:07 -!- billstclai [n=billstcl@dsl-65-219-210-158.taconic.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:02:07 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-822C141.taconic.net] has quit [Input/output error] 15:02:14 dnolen [n=dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:12 nunb [n=nundan@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 15:05:26 Jafet1 [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has joined #lisp 15:05:32 is there a shortcut for (flatten (mapcar (f_ _) '(some list))) 15:05:51 -!- Jafet [n=Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:05:53 -!- Jafet1 is now known as Jafet 15:06:12 benny` [n=benny@i577A7666.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:06:20 -!- bigdongs [i=62f7735e@gateway/web/freenode/x-hkvxsugexbnxfjlf] has quit ["Page closed"] 15:06:38 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:06:39 nunb: mappend (in alexandria), or mapcan for the destructive version (in ANSI) 15:07:03 rudi [n=rudi@158.223.51.72] has joined #lisp 15:07:06 Yes, I thought it was mappend, but couldnt' repl-expand it. So mapcan is what I want. 15:07:13 tcr: thanks. 15:07:22 -!- getha [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:07:34 -!- stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:07:43 mapcan uses nconc internally, so be cautious 15:08:24 j0be [n=j0be@ke-works-1.starters.tudelft.nl] has joined #lisp 15:08:32 Q: how can I check if a *parameter* (set with defparameter) exist? 15:08:54 Seems mapcan went into an infinte loop. 15:08:56 j0be: boundp 15:08:56 clhs boundp 15:08:57 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_boundp.htm 15:09:15 I could always do flatten (from metatilities) but I thought mappend could (theoretically) be more efficient.. 15:09:36 which is what destructive mapcan does, except it doesn't like .. 15:09:40 Adlai dlowe: thanks! 15:09:53 ah, I was doing (mapcan (f_ '(a b)) (list 'a 'b 'c)) 15:09:56 nunb: flatten + mapcar ist O(2n), mappend ist O(n) 15:10:00 That's why it barfs, I guess 15:10:18 nunb, that nconcs down a circular list 15:10:27 (flatten (mapcar (f_ '(a b)) (list 'a 'b 'c))) works fine. 15:10:55 nunb, try (mapcan (f_ (list 'a 'b)) (list 'a 'b 'c)) 15:11:15 *udzinari* wonders what O(2n) means 15:11:22 Adlai: thanks, now I can use mapcan with confidence 15:11:24 you were side-effecting literal objects 15:11:37 tcr: yes, that's why I wanted to eliminate mapcar followed by flatten 15:11:38 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-37-148.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:11:48 udzinari: google O-notation 15:11:58 ie, after the first nconc in the mapcan, '(a b) would become #1=(a b . #1#) 15:12:02 oh, sorry, I guess you mean it should be n2? 15:12:24 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A111D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:12:25 nunb: already on wikipedia :) 15:13:12 udzinari: I didn't expect http://www.google.com/search?q=o2n to lead to wikipedia, but it did :-) 15:15:00 Adlai: as long as I'm not using literal notation, and not purposely creating circular lists, mapcan should terminate, right? 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Then you wouldn't have to worry about nconc at all. 15:18:22 and (mapappend (f_ '(a b)) '(a b c)) works fine 15:18:30 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:19:16 -!- konr [n=user@201.82.128.190] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19:36 konr [n=user@201.82.128.190] has joined #lisp 15:20:15 (f_ '(a B)) is the same as (constantly '(a b)) 15:21:45 tcr: will get alexandria (seems like it would be safer than mapcan) 15:22:06 tcr: yes, the f_ was an example. 15:22:21 there's lot of useful stuff in alexandria; but you can always just copy its definition of mapappend to your own project 15:22:42 Hun [n=hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:24:18 Edward_ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-55-112.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:27:50 -!- kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 15:27:50 -!- kejsaren_ 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I'm too newbie in lisp :) 15:38:27 (abs #C(3 4)) => 5 15:38:41 clhs complex 15:39:06 hmm, no love from specbot 15:39:25 probably lost among the internets 15:40:08 http://l1sp.org/cl/complex 15:40:41 freiksenet [n=freiksen@hoasnet-fe29dd00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:41:41 rudi [n=rudi@158.223.51.72] has joined #lisp 15:43:12 sadiquea [n=sadiquea@122.172.22.62] has joined #lisp 15:44:54 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 15:45:07 -!- Reaver1 [n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:45:21 thanks! 15:45:46 dnolen [n=dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:10 *p_l* added himself an alias to l1sp.org for irc queries :) 15:46:18 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_comple.htm 15:46:24 Reaver [n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 15:48:05 -!- maus [n=maus@222.253.74.25] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:48:45 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] 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16:40:58 I have a few more external formats, and a plan for cr/lf handling 16:41:30 and a renewed enthusiasm for subclassable structures 16:41:35 Areth [n=user@78-69-84-129-no172.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:47 jsnell made some inroads into slightly non-sucky vector-push-extend 16:41:56 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-kzjvcaeveuvcwnbn] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:41:57 What is your thoughts about http://www.bookshelf.jp/texi/onlisp/ 16:41:58 ? 16:42:01 -!- j0be [n=j0be@ke-works-1.starters.tudelft.nl] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:42:16 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:42:25 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:42:40 Areth: i like black on white better 16:42:49 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:43:22 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:40 There are a css-change thingy at the bottom of the page 16:43:47 <_3b> yeah, if you are going to have multiple CSS available, at least let me select them with the browser mechanisms :p 16:44:07 <_3b> instead of some dropdown box that paparently do3esn't work without cookies 16:44:11 http://www.bookshelf.jp/texi/onlisp/onlisp.html#SEC_Top 16:44:15 Areth: the code examples look bad. In general, it's nice work, but you may be violating the rights of use that Paul Graham attached to OnLisp 16:44:38 It's not mine 16:44:41 I found it 16:44:50 it has been around for a while 16:45:02 -!- sykopomp|work [n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:45:53 I'm using both onlisp (that) and http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 16:46:37 However, I wanted to know if onlisp actually is a good book :-P 16:46:50 <_3b> original is at http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html if you hadn't seen that yet 16:46:51 jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-28-146-61.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:47:01 tcr: am i doing something wrong, i get Compilation failed. on any ,load-system 16:47:08 It's definitively not a good book to learn Common Lisp, Areth. 16:47:18 <_3b> it is a good book, just keep in mind graham's style doesn't match #lisp style 16:47:46 <_3b> right, not as good as a beginner text :) 16:48:09 *Areth* doesn't care much about beginner stuff 16:48:17 As long as it's correct Common Lisp 16:48:37 non-idiomatic 16:49:00 Areth: Paul Graham does not like Common Lisp very much and only uses/teaches a subset of it 16:49:04 Areth: probably better as the third book, it's a little quirky 16:49:36 Ah 16:50:54 blAckEn3d [i=alex@79.117.193.177] has joined #lisp 16:51:15 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:51:16 -!- kejsaren2 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:51:48 hey, I'm using the sbcl alien package to do some ffi on windows and I encounter the following error: set_pseudo_atomic_atomic: pseudo atomic bits is 2289256. 16:51:48 Which books are good then? 16:52:14 freiksenet1 [n=freiksen@hoasnet-ff00dd00-27.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 16:54:33 stassats: asdf:oos returns nil, but the operate-on-system must return T on success 16:54:39 in swank-asdf.lisp 16:54:40 delYsid [n=user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:54:51 that's what swank::collect-notes expects 16:55:12 ejs [n=eugen@85-238-112-48.wifi.tenet.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:55:17 Edward__ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-49-167.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:55:20 stassats: should I change that, or will you? 16:55:35 i will 16:56:01 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@122.167.114.105] has joined #lisp 16:56:15 -!- mtd_ is now known as mtd 16:56:15 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-unbgfsugjkxltrec] has joined #lisp 16:56:22 freiksenet2 [n=freiksen@hoasnet-ff00dd00-27.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 16:56:27 stassats: the call to apply #'asdf:operate is >80 columns 16:56:59 indeed 16:57:16 Areth: I've only read PCL... my plan was to read On Lisp next, and then maybe PAIP (though I'm just starting Norvig's other AI book now, but it is more general from what I can tell, and doesn't have any lisp in it). I too would be interested in other lisp books, if anyone has any suggestions 16:57:26 morphling [n=stefan@gssn-5f757c67.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:37 Houl [n=Miranda@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 16:58:25 sykopomp|work [n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 16:59:20 Soulman__ [n=kae@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has joined #lisp 16:59:21 eh, that's all my fault 16:59:38 bfein: PAIP is pretty good, I'm working on that now. 16:59:49 dmiles [n=dmiles@c-76-104-220-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:09 freiksenet3 [n=freiksen@hoasnet-ff00dd00-27.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 17:00:21 huangjs` [n=user@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #lisp 17:00:28 fusss_ [n=chatzill@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 17:00:42 udzinari` [n=user@nat/ibm/x-shioiagauennwwsg] has joined #lisp 17:00:45 freiksenet4 [n=freiksen@hoasnet-ff00dd00-27.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 17:00:49 fawxtin` [n=user@150.162.165.254] has joined #lisp 17:01:13 sepult` 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<_deepfire> stassats, could you explain it a bit? what doesn't work? 18:56:42 -!- sadiquea [n=sadiquea@122.172.22.62] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:56:42 <_deepfire> I /might/ have ideas.. 18:56:43 _deepfire: You track dependencies by parsing the .asd file, right? 18:56:45 Do you also have code to introspectively determine the (run-time) dependencies of an already loaded system? 18:56:46 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-117.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:57:18 TuxPurple_ [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has joined #lisp 18:57:31 <_deepfire> tcr, to the first, yes; to the second no, as it's too late by that moment, and it's still not precise 18:57:45 lispm [n=joswig@e177121127.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:57:49 <_deepfire> as people do (require) within .asd files 18:57:50 Adlai: I remember people contributing git patches. I don't know which git repository they track; there's a git mirror by antifuchs, iirc. 18:57:58 lemoinem [n=swoog@66.51.252.107] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 REPLeffect_ [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 Ginei_Morioka [n=irssi_lo@78.114.159.39] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 weirdo [n=sthalik@c156-35.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 jthing [n=jthing@88.159.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 dfox [n=dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 wgl [n=wgl@216.145.227.9] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 reb [n=user@72.14.228.137] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 jkantz [n=jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 isomer [n=isomer@CPE00226b8ab7f9-CM0011aec5e684.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 slather [n=slather@haybaler.sackheads.org] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 _3b [i=foobar@cpe-70-112-214-100.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:57:58 chii [i=chii@freenode/bot/chii] has joined #lisp 18:58:12 i've used http://git.boinkor.net/gitweb/slime.git 18:58:22 _deepfire: I know it's not precise, but it's the least code involving 18:58:35 tcr, stassats, thanks for the thoughts. I guess 18:58:46 I guess I'll use the mirror from git.boinkor.net 18:59:19 _deepfire: reload-system works by saying that some system isn't compiled, but that doesn't work because mcclim is split between several systems 18:59:41 -!- ejs [n=eugen@85-238-112-48.wifi.tenet.od.ua] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:00:12 and you can't know what dependencies are part of mcclim, and which not 19:00:18 I don't think you'll ever get that to work 19:00:23 <_deepfire> stassats, I see.. no ideas, sorry 19:00:36 tcr: i don't even want to try 19:00:54 Knowing dependencies is interesting for slime-query-replace-system 19:01:04 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:01:40 and for slime-save-some-lisp-buffers 19:02:10 how? 19:02:25 ah ok you want to only save the necessary files 19:02:27 Wombatzus [n=user@216-31-242-4.static-ip.telepacific.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:32 right 19:02:37 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 19:02:53 how's the party? 19:03:12 _deepfire: please try to come up with a who-depends-on :-) I'd settle with a crudely working variant. 19:03:24 and where's the liveblogging? 19:04:00 slyrus: As I haven't seen a message from anyone there, I guess they left for drinking 19:04:06 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:04:18 TuxPurple [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has joined #lisp 19:04:18 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:21 <_deepfire> tcr, I operate on full information, so I do full scans etc. I doubt my approaches are applicable for light-overhead/narrow context use cases. 19:05:15 _deepfire: Yeah but you're somewhat familiar with asdf, so you might be able to hack an introspective inquire. 19:05:16 tcr: "drinking", that's a town near london, right? 19:05:49 Is it? :-) 19:05:50 swank.asd isn't too friendly, just doing (find-system :swank) loads swank 19:06:44 hmm 19:06:45 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dual-licensed implementation that would be more than just a toy 19:23:23 saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:58 more than a toy? what would you do with that? 19:24:03 I recall that there was a work-in-progress PPC64 VLM, but iirc it died for obvious reasons 19:24:47 _deepfire pasted "WHO-DEPENDS-ON" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/92156 19:24:49 stassats: well, depends on your definition of toy - I'm kind of fond of emulators and keeping legacy applications running because I never know when I might have to rescue data from something ancient xD 19:26:15 <_deepfire> tcr, there 19:26:33 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [No route to host] 19:26:59 stassats: an additional fun project would be to grab for example a Xilinx Spartan and make a lispm-in-a-box ^_- 19:27:55 that's too much work, other lisp projects could use so much love 19:28:25 spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-252-1-49-25.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 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slime-compile-and-load-file) 20:04:18 I wonder why C-c C-l doesn't use that infrastructure 20:04:25 load doesn't record locations? 20:05:35 i still get a runtime error... how can I see where the error takes place? 20:05:58 dstatyvka [n=dstatyvk@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 20:06:12 -!- HG` [n=HG@85.8.74.159] has quit [Client Quit] 20:06:23 -!- saikatc [n=saikatc@c-98-210-192-23.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:06:24 I would have said, press `q' in the debugger, but that actually aborts the compilation process. That should be done differently. 20:06:25 I'll fix that later 20:07:03 bigwavejake: Can you paste the backtrace? 20:07:07 minion: paste 20:07:08 paste: lisppaste: lisppaste is an IRC bot that runs under the nickname "lisppaste" and can be used (only for the #lisp IRC channel!) at http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp - or http://paste.lisp.org/ for other destinations 20:08:48 -!- Kolyan [n=nartamon@93-80-229-83.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 20:09:50 stassats: making reload-system reuse operate-on-system-for-emacs works just fine 20:09:57 -!- dstatyvka [n=dstatyvk@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- gz` [n=gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- lpolzer_ [n=lpolzer@dslb-088-073-203-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- Wombatzus [n=user@216-31-242-4.static-ip.telepacific.net] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-252-1-49-25.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- nullman [n=nullman@75.73.150.26] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:57 -!- merl15_ [n=merl@80-121-71-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 20:09:58 Am I overlooking something? 20:10:15 -!- nunb [n=nundan@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:10:20 josemanuel [n=josemanu@226.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 dstatyvka [n=dstatyvk@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-252-1-49-25.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 Wombatzus [n=user@216-31-242-4.static-ip.telepacific.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 nullman [n=nullman@75.73.150.26] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 gz` [n=gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 merl15_ [n=merl@80-121-71-72.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 20:11:05 lpolzer_ [n=lpolzer@dslb-088-073-203-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:05 gonzojive_ [n=red@c-67-188-116-123.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:18 you mean operate-on-system? 20:12:43 no, -for-emacs 20:12:57 Ralith [n=ralith@d142-058-089-169.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 20:12:58 *p_l* wonders why everyone types (asdf:oos ...) when there's (asdf:load-system ...). Let me guess, it's non-standard? 20:13:13 *stassats* is confused in those names 20:13:27 stassats: see query 20:13:39 yeah, i understood 20:13:44 <_3b> p_l: habits from before load-system existed? 20:14:40 *stassats* types (:asd :system) 20:15:11 stassats: I committed that now. who-depends-on will follow in 5minutes. You can make save-some-buffers work with that then because I'm annoyed by being asked by unsaved changes in unrelated files. 20:15:35 i was annoyed too 20:15:51 -!- ruediger [n=quassel@93-82-13-226.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:16:29 Does anyone know why sb-ext:run-program doesnt find executables on my path? I instead need to give it the full path of the program (e.g. "/bin/echo" and not "echo"). My path variable seems to have what I would expect on it. 20:16:44 :search t 20:16:48 k thanks 20:17:37 bobbysmith007: IIRC it doesn't use system() function but straight fork()/execve() so it has to manually search... 20:18:05 -!- nicdev [n=nicdev@st401-249.subnet-246.amherst.edu] has quit [] 20:18:18 no, it doesn't have to manually search, it uses execv/execvp depending on :search 20:18:30 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:18:49 p_l & stassats: thanks, I missed the search parameter while checking the docs/code 20:20:49 swathanthran [n=user@117.204.91.118] has joined #lisp 20:23:50 Ragnaroek [n=chatzill@p54A65828.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:58 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-26-117.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:26:32 xinming_ [n=hyy@125.109.255.210] has joined #lisp 20:27:44 timor [n=martin@port-87-234-97-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:28:40 francogrex [n=user@91.182.63.227] has joined #lisp 20:29:09 stassats: ok committed 20:29:29 stassats: I'll work on bigwavejake's issue meanwhile. 20:29:39 -!- bigwavejake [n=w0lfpak@sas10127.nat.sas.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:30:12 leo2007 [n=leo@cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust694.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:32:33 Hi, I have a data vector (dates) of the type : 2009-11-15, 2008-12-05, etc... I'd like to sort those dates into bins of weeks: example: week-1: 5 reports, week-2:14 reports etc... Any hints on a way to do it in lisp? (I have to start from scratch, including specification of the weeks and the binning). 20:32:55 gabnet [n=gabnet@226.23.67-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:10 Guthur [n=Michael@host86-136-49-51.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:34:09 saikatc [n=saikatc@adsl-76-228-82-245.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:45 maybe there is something already out there, I'd like to avoid reinventing the wheel 20:36:05 TuxPurple_ [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has joined #lisp 20:36:35 ... call graph of VLM's main interpreter loop is crazy 20:37:52 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.162.214.188] has joined #lisp 20:37:56 I have that in Hardware 20:38:39 -!- TuxPurple [n=TuxPurpl@unaffiliated/tuxpurple] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:38:41 -!- TuxPurple_ is now known as TuxPurple 20:40:06 francogrex: check out local-time 20:40:47 -!- xinming [n=hyy@125.109.255.210] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:42:18 lispm: to be exact, the loop is sane. instruction interpreter (function iInterpret) is not 20:42:18 hm. local-time doesn't have a week-of-year function 20:42:50 AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 20:43:22 -!- gabnet [n=gabnet@226.23.67-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:43:41 gabnet [n=gabnet@226.23.67-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:49 dlowe: he'd have to write such a function himself 20:44:33 c|mell [i=john@dajoji.just.any.name] has joined #lisp 20:45:54 -!- aintme [n=Miranda@176.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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