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16:46:18 can you try a bitvector? 16:47:01 Krystof: didn't nikodemus conclude it was safe some time ago? 16:47:12 quite possibly 16:47:13 kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:31 Bitvectors "work". 16:48:16 I am currently looking at the octets code, which does a lot of the moral equivalent of (let ((foo (make-array n :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t))) (vector-push-extend stuff-onto foo) (coerce foo 'simple-vector)) 16:48:24 (only with octet vectors) 16:48:42 Even bitvectors longer than 64 elements work. 16:49:07 and it occurred to me that in those circumstances, not only should the vector-push-extend benefit from the displaced-array type work, but also the final coerce could grab and shrink the adjustable array's data vector 16:51:09 jmbr [n=jmbr@53.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:51:45 -!- ignas [n=ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:52:34 -!- Kenjin [n=Kenjin@242-205.dial.nortenet.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:54:16 is that comment about not using LET in make-target-2.lisp to avoid punting to the compiler still correct? 16:54:27 Regenaxer [n=baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:54:57 Might depend on the evaluator mode. 16:54:58 *print-foos* are typed; SETQ does redirect to the compiler. 16:55:19 -!- Regenaxer [n=baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 16:55:31 benny` [n=benny@i577A1C11.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:55:58 *nyef* adds scales for read-control-stack and write-control-stack. 16:56:50 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:57:06 Kenjin [n=Kenjin@242-205.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #lisp 16:57:34 -!- Kenjin is now known as Guest3380 16:57:54 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:58:36 -!- benny` is now known as benny 16:58:43 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:59:01 -!- jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-31-232-227.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:00:58 demmeln [n=Adium@dslb-188-099-120-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:06 -!- demmeln [n=Adium@dslb-188-099-120-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 17:01:48 rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:45 -!- fihi09`` [n=user@pool-71-190-74-115.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:03:56 fihi09`` [n=user@pool-71-190-74-115.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:59 Oh, lovely. control-stack-pointer-valid-p tests for fixnumity. 17:04:15 davazp [n=user@21.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:04 dnolen [n=dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 17:08:10 -!- pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:08:55 Axius [n=ade@92.82.90.49] has joined #lisp 17:11:16 silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:38 -!- snearch_ [n=olaf@g225049071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 17:14:04 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 17:15:01 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:15:47 jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-29-99-200.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:16:55 -!- Axius [n=ade@92.82.90.49] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:23:12 impulse32 [n=impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441561.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:23:25 And chunks of the debugger guts aren't thread-safe... 17:30:50 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 17:32:02 dnolen [n=dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 17:34:22 jlpeters [n=james@c-76-121-2-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:39 -!- jlpeters [n=james@c-76-121-2-144.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:36:10 Patzy [n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:19 *Xach* tries to figure out how many types he's typed sb-ext:*posix-argv* as sb-posix:*argv* 17:36:37 "times"? 17:36:53 that'd fall under "how many typos" ;-) 17:36:56 (doubly, so) 17:37:15 clim radio-box-selections 17:37:15 -!- jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-29-99-200.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:37:15 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/30-4.html#_1825 17:37:25 Anyone have an email for Simon Alexander, aka "ska" ? 17:39:24 ... The various space free pointers are all stored unboxed, so their lisp values are all scaled down as if shifted right by n-fixnum-tag-bits, aren't they? 17:40:35 -!- NNshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-24-82-64-168-246.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:41:26 Guest48442: often salex, here 17:41:31 confounds [n=quassel@CPE0013f7f0bd88-CM0013f7f0bd84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:41:46 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.173.250.254] has joined #lisp 17:45:53 -!- silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:46:45 NNshag [n=shag@lns-bzn-35-82-250-222-66.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:16 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:47:26 -!- OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@222-154-179-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:48:00 -!- Reaver1 [n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:49:22 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@53.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:49:26 ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 17:49:51 jmbr [n=jmbr@53.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:51:35 Xach: Thanks! 17:51:49 -!- amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:52:15 *Krystof* starts to unclog his mcclim-devel tagged mail 17:53:42 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 17:54:04 -!- Guest3380 is now known as Kenjin 17:55:52 jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-26-72-230.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:01:42 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-22-70.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 18:02:44 Hrm... Thus far the worst damage I've found for the change to the representation of certain type-punned static symbol values has been that unwind-to-frame-and-call is probably screwed. 18:03:55 Davidbrcz [i=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 18:04:30 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:05:40 ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has joined #lisp 18:06:21 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Valete!"] 18:06:40 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.173.250.254] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:07:09 This is a bit off-the-wall, but... Does it make sense to attempt to connect two different emacs instances to the same swank server? 18:07:28 (Or to two separate swank server instances (swank:create-server) in the same lisp image?) 18:08:20 should be alright with two instances 18:09:24 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit ["leaving"] 18:11:42 The_Doctor [n=The_Doct@cpe-98-150-247-183.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:11:50 -!- The_Doctor [n=The_Doct@cpe-98-150-247-183.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:12:03 -!- redline6561 [n=redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12:44 shrughes [n=shrughes@c-76-118-176-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:58 drewc [n=drewc@89.16.166.162] has joined #lisp 18:15:34 Wouldn't the sldb's fight? 18:18:41 Wombatzus [n=user@216-31-242-4.static-ip.telepacific.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:15 that's easy to test 18:19:42 with separate threads, they shouldn't 18:21:13 Even for an error in the initial-thread REPL? 18:21:23 ASau [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 18:21:37 impulse32_ [n=impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441518.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 18:21:42 -!- Kolyan [n=nartamon@93-80-209-59.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 18:21:44 just don't error there 18:21:57 "take the spoon out of the cup"? 18:21:59 does someone have experience with xs-lisp (mindstorms nxt)? 18:22:34 Clearly, I'm going to have to do this another way just to be sure it'll work. 18:23:08 why do you need such setup? 18:24:00 I have to separate emacsen running, and the sbcl for one of them got slain last night. 18:24:18 So I thought "why not connect it to this other sbcl over here?" 18:24:43 But it's not going to work -anyway-, because they're different slime versions, so it's a bit of an academic excersize right now. 18:24:55 Edward__ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-156.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:30:03 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:30:44 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.173.250.254] has joined #lisp 18:31:34 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.173.250.254] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 18:31:38 -!- impulse32 [n=impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441561.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:32:56 Kenjin_ [n=Kenjin@242-157.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #lisp 18:33:24 -!- Kenjin_ is now known as Guest62428 18:35:37 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 18:37:08 -!- ruediger [n=quassel@91-115-182-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:39:32 borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 18:40:11 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 18:41:59 -!- slyrus [n=slyrus@adsl-75-60-30-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:42:21 -!- cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-176-109-110.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:42:36 cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-176-109-110.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:17 Guthur [i=c13db416@gateway/web/freenode/x-xrtgnwfcpbsfkpve] has joined #lisp 18:43:24 Krystof: I've thought about making that change, but it's obviously not safe to do in general (you need escape analysis for that) 18:44:03 did sqrt change recently in sbcl 18:44:23 -!- Kenjin [n=Kenjin@242-205.dial.nortenet.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:44:26 Guthur: why? 18:44:30 i am getting an error saying the it doesn't accept 3 parameters, but it did before 18:44:51 i'm on a slightly earlier version at the mo 18:44:53 .32 18:44:55 <_3b> ah, use my tree for that 18:45:07 <_3b> (of sb-cga that is) 18:45:13 _3b ah ok 18:45:30 cheers, it worked at home though 18:45:38 <_3b> the problem is that you switched architectures, and that bug doesn't show up on x8664 18:45:43 lol 18:45:49 heh? SQRT has never accepted 3 arguments. 18:45:54 the 64bit to 32bit again 18:46:02 second problem from that 18:46:21 this might explain some other weird bugs i was having 18:46:45 it means sb-cga normalize-vec is a little suspect 18:47:17 _3b many thanks 18:47:22 -!- varjag [n=eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 18:47:45 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:26 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-rrrwqalnpmyjgppp] has joined #lisp 18:51:02 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:54:27 seangrove [n=user@c-67-188-112-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:20 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:13 -!- jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-26-72-230.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:57:01 jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-27-253-252.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:57:49 aintme [n=Miranda@42.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:59:42 -!- md1 [n=user@chello089173014026.chello.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:00:28 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:35 alec [n=aberryma@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:14 davazp` [n=user@21.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:40 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:01 -!- Guest62428 [n=Kenjin@242-157.dial.nortenet.pt] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/"] 19:04:03 gruseom [n=daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:27 froydnj: yes, right. Have you seen my displaced-array tree 19:08:25 cmm- [n=cmm@bzq-82-81-229-201.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:26 which doesn't do escape analysis, but jsnell said that the compiler hacking would be easy, and even though I think that was before he realised that adjust-array works the way it does I think he should be held to it 19:09:07 Krystof: I know about the tree, but have not looked at it 19:09:30 -!- kejsaren1 [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:09:48 bah, I preferred it when you were a grad student with infinite free time 19:09:58 come to that, I preferred it when I was a grad student with infinite free time 19:10:02 happy days 19:10:05 -!- Buganini [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:10:07 that's why I am no longer a grad student =/ 19:10:36 there are compensations 19:10:39 not that I did a lot of type system/compiler hacking when I had said free time, either 19:12:07 no, insofar as I spent my infinite free time and my non-infinite free time doing things not useful to actually, you know, doing grad-school-ish things 19:12:35 also should have taken a job permitting lisp hacking :) 19:14:49 I meant that there are compensations to not being a grad student 19:14:56 or to not having infinite free time 19:14:59 pfah. I'm a grad student, but my infinite free time is being redirected elsewhere. 19:15:04 also true 19:16:21 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:17:11 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 19:18:06 pkhuong: well, that is clearly an error 19:19:21 -!- s0ber_ [n=s0ber@118-160-165-184.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:19:33 s0ber [n=s0ber@118-160-165-184.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:08 milanj- [n=milan@109.93.16.221] has joined #lisp 19:20:09 -!- davazp [n=user@21.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:21:37 -!- cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-176-109-110.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:23:17 -!- Elench [n=jarv@unaffiliated/elench] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:24:03 clim draw-graph-from-roots 19:24:03 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for draw-graph-from-roots. 19:24:08 clim format-graph-from-roots 19:24:08 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/18-1.html#_978 19:24:59 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:27:27 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.87.140.104] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:29:51 ... So, I'm reading this thing on natural language processing in lisp, linked from the lisp reddit, and there's this section where it's talking about temporal order and resolving pronoun ambiguity, and it introduces this technique of "script application". And the justification is -wrong-. 19:32:02 Alabaman [n=badgerfa@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:32:34 The technique might even be useful, but in the context that it's introduced a simple concept of the most recent applicable match would resolve everything. 19:33:36 eek 19:34:03 Apparently, the "Leave existing package alone" restart for MAKE-PACKAGE on an existing package really means "Clobber the existing package" 19:36:02 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 19:36:46 Heh. And the next chapter introduces the concept in question. 19:36:56 borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 19:37:06 Krystof: Thanks for taking the time to feed the issue tracker. 19:37:29 -!- impulse32_ [n=impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441518.dsl.bell.ca] has quit ["leaving"] 19:38:33 redline6561 [n=redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 19:38:47 c|mell [n=cmell@212.183.140.33] has joined #lisp 19:40:03 -!- aintme [n=Miranda@42.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:58 -!- morphling [n=stefan@gssn-5f756385.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41:27 morphling [n=stefan@gssn-5f756385.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:54 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:42:37 Heh. "never, never ever run code with safety 0" 19:42:44 -!- Guthur [i=c13db416@gateway/web/freenode/x-xrtgnwfcpbsfkpve] has quit ["Page closed"] 19:43:02 nyef: Sounds like good advise to me :) 19:43:21 -!- msingh [n=msingh@203.171.123.8.static.rev.aanet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:43:28 Sure, but sometimes you'd rather have something stupidly incorrect happen than end up in the debugger. 19:43:30 -!- borism [n=boris@213-35-235-152-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 19:43:43 or you need speed 19:45:31 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit ["leaving"] 19:45:38 My context was that I knew -exactly- what I was doing, and was checking the compiler output by hand anyway. 19:47:19 aintme [n=Miranda@87.223.62.68] has joined #lisp 19:47:20 It's not like (safety 3) will be very helpful if the bug is in the VOP. 19:48:54 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 19:49:15 A couple of the VOPs were :translate to functions such as %set-port-byte. 19:49:42 And that's probably enough context that you can figure out which of my numerous hacks this was. 19:51:11 given a markov process's transition matrix and the initial state, is there a way to compare transitions to tell that, if you observe the system at a random instant, the probability of observing A->B is greater/less than or equal to another transition C->D? 19:51:27 ruediger [n=quassel@91-115-182-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 19:51:51 -!- s0ber is now known as s0ber_ 19:52:16 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 19:53:52 dnolen [n=dnolen@dsl254-107-146.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:13 The end goal is to model the execution of a program as transitions between bblocks, and thus determine which CFG edges are important. 19:54:15 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 19:55:17 ... So each bblock is a node in your model, and its successors are the transitions? 19:55:24 yup. 19:55:24 -!- skeptomai|away is now known as skeptomai 19:55:36 And there are probabilities on the transitions? 19:55:43 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [] 19:56:20 right. A decent model would be to have equiprobable transitions, but that could be exposed to the user (or use profile data) 19:56:26 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@dsl254-107-146.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:56:50 -!- jewel [n=jewel@vc-41-27-253-252.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:56:55 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:56:59 (equiprobable for each node, that is) 19:56:59 And what are you trying to determine? 19:57:05 trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 19:57:05 -!- Ralith [n=ralith@69.90.48.97] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:58:32 My current idea is to compare edges for importance and build a maximal spanning tree. Without cflow merges, things are much simpler. I could then insert code to patch things up on the edges that are missing from the MST. 19:58:59 rpg [n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 19:59:34 You want to order the transitions based on the frequency they'd be taken over some number of runs? 19:59:38 gz_ [n=gz@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:29 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:51 Or am I still misunderstanding? 20:00:53 pkhuong: I want to say "yes" but I can't just write down the answer 20:01:20 dnolen [n=dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #lisp 20:01:21 Some part of me is saying "oh, just throw an MCMC simulation at it." 20:01:22 nyef: basically, yes (in practice, it's ok if some transitions aren't comparable) 20:01:56 borisc [n=borisc@borisc2.csbnet.se] has joined #lisp 20:02:27 nyef: In theory, I could square the matrix a couple dozen times, but that's awful, numerically, especially with very rarely taken edges (e.g., a loop prologue). 20:03:03 -!- YuleAthas [n=athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:03:16 -!- Edward__ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-156.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:03:26 In a way, I'm actually happy to be able to even -participate- in this conversation. I wouldn't have a couple months ago. 20:05:07 Your matrix has to be pretty sparse, really... It'd be the rare bblock with more than two successors. 20:06:26 But it can fill in very quickly, depending on what I do. More importantly, it's very small. It's the rare subroutine that has a hundred bblock (: 20:06:44 did I just join #haskell or something, what with the math terms flying around? :-) (What are you guys talking about?) 20:06:52 tic: Compiler optimization! 20:06:58 pavelludiq [n=quassel@91.139.195.126] has joined #lisp 20:06:59 nyef, woo! 20:07:00 tic: compiler optimisation, amazingly enough (: 20:07:35 "cflow" got me thinking of that, but then you started talking about other things. 20:08:11 (please, go on.) 20:08:14 I put my OR hat on last week and came up with the basic idea of markov chain -> [[magic]] -> spanning tree. I've been stuck on the magic step since. 20:09:04 *giggle* Any idea on how to go about solving the equation for the variable "magic"? 20:09:19 make the arrows bigger until the magic is tightly constrained 20:09:56 I think we need to be more specific in the step labelled "and then a miracle occurs." 20:09:59 Or hope a reformed physicist can pull a "very well known method" from his hat. 20:10:01 -!- Alabaman [n=badgerfa@81-226-253-54-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:10:09 Heh. 20:11:26 sadly I was not that kind of physicist 20:11:32 general relativity: least useful skill ever 20:11:46 honestly, salex would be your man 20:12:08 myst [n=myst@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-65-81.telecom.by] has joined #lisp 20:12:52 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@pool-71-163-162-204.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:02 This is possibly a silly question, but... have you run a google search for "markov chain" "spanning tree"? 20:13:34 -!- davazp` [n=user@21.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:13:48 Cools [n=Cools@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 20:14:13 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.132.38.178] has joined #lisp 20:14:27 no! you'll give google the idea and then they'll patent it and use it to eat all our children! 20:14:37 -!- Cools [n=Cools@CPE000f661aca54-CM001692fae248.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:50 nyef: I can't even read the abstracts (: 20:15:04 -!- gz_ [n=gz@c-66-31-201-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 20:15:14 Krystof: Too late now, they'll pick it up out of the channel logs when they re-spider them tomorrow. 20:16:35 -!- seangrove [n=user@c-67-188-112-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:20:07 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1C11.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:20:09 Buganini [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 20:21:15 Yuriy-Lopin [n=user1@109.86.134.96] has joined #lisp 20:21:24 Heh. "Knowledge-based software engineering introduces a fundamental change in the software lifecycle--maintainance and evolution occur by modifying the specifications and then rederiving the implementation, rather than by directly modifying the implementation." isn't that -compilation-? 20:22:27 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:30 nyef: executable UML? 20:22:43 Nah, before that. 20:22:51 xinming_ [n=hyy@125.109.244.228] has joined #lisp 20:22:58 Just dug out my copy of The Handbook of Artificial Intelligence. 20:24:12 nyef: Wow. Hope you didn't wreck your carpet with the formaldehyde dripping off it! ;-) 20:25:34 rpg: Not a fan? 20:25:55 "(inst lea alloc-tn (make-ea :byte :base alloc-tn :disp lowtag))" <- why? 20:25:57 It was a great series of books for its time. 20:25:59 nyef: No, it was a fine book in its day. 20:26:04 executable UML? powerpointware? 20:26:26 pkhuong: Well, it doesn't clobber the flags... 20:26:36 *rpg* looks at the first three volumes in the shelf, which haven't been opened in quite a while... 20:26:53 Was there a fifth or later volume? 20:26:54 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@212.183.140.33] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:26:58 nyef: that's right after a call to alloc_tramp; are the flags preserved? 20:27:03 *beach* is in a similar situation to that of rpg 20:27:09 nyef: there was a fourth, but I don't have a copy 20:27:23 The quote I just provided was from the fourth. 20:27:44 -!- prxq [n=mommer@g226149081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:28:05 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:28:14 pkhuong: The other interpretation is that it's attempting to say "this is a pointer manipulation". 20:29:13 it was probably faster / smaller than ADD, assuming that I'm understanding what is going on 20:29:20 tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 20:29:28 Greetings lispers. 20:29:37 prxq [n=mommer@e181182133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:29:57 LEA, 1 byte. MOD/RM, 1 byte, displacement, 1 byte. Total: 3 bytes. 20:30:18 slyrus [n=slyrus@adsl-75-60-30-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:32 ADD, 1 byte. MOD/RM, 1 byte (assuming alloc-tn isn't EAX/RAX), displacement, 1 byte. Total: 2-3 bytes. 20:30:49 -!- aintme [n=Miranda@87.223.62.68] has quit ["/* */"] 20:30:55 Let's go with "faster"? 20:31:14 interesting... I'm still going to replace that with an ADD some time. I must have a hundred KB to repay (: 20:32:38 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-121-33.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:33:20 cmm [n=cmm@bzq-82-81-229-201.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:34 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:33:40 -!- pragma_ is now known as p 20:33:50 -!- p is now known as pragma_ 20:33:54 Guthur [n=Michael@host81-156-232-46.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:34:08 So, debug-int.lisp, assign-minimal-var-names has a paired KLUDGE/FIXME comment in front of a couple calls to FIND-PACKAGE with constant strings about how they can't use #.(FIND-PACKAGE ...) and maybe moving the entire file to warm init might be a good idea... 20:34:11 rahul [n=rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:30 ... and my local copy has, as a reminder to me, "FIXME: Oh, just use a load-time-value already." 20:35:04 -!- xinming [n=hyy@125.109.79.63] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection 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I guess this book really -does- show its age. 20:49:48 The next sentence remarks on the possibility of a computer being the world-champion chess player. 20:50:02 *Xach* throws his iphone across the room 20:50:16 -!- cmm- [n=cmm@bzq-82-81-229-201.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:50:43 Does it make a "boing" noise as it bounces off the wall? 20:50:43 deffault, ITYM :P 20:51:24 "Default in this indenter is with the user." 20:53:56 nyef: you should come down to NYC wednesday for Kenny's open mic comedy night. 20:54:59 Pepe__ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:01 "I'm looking for a Perl Developer for a client of mine providing analytics to the Fixed Income industry. Do you know any Perl people who might be looking for a job?" 20:55:05 *rahul* chuckles 20:55:10 Getting to Boston is bad enough, I'm afraid. NYC is right out. 20:55:11 yahooooo [n=yahooooo@c-67-170-39-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:33 nyef: remind us where you are again! 20:55:35 nyef: want a job in NYC? :P 20:55:53 -!- rajesh [n=rajesh@nylug/member/rajesh] has quit ["leaving"] 20:55:58 FI analytics in perl sounds really scary 20:56:01 beach: New Hampshire. 20:56:13 -!- Pepe_ [n=ppjet@mna75-4-82-225-76-148.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:56:25 nyef: Ah. Paradise in the US? 20:56:54 No, but there are -far- worse places out there. 20:57:26 As I understand, it's pretty good. 20:57:39 -!- cmeow [i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:58:10 it's different, for sure 20:58:23 This particular part is somewhat rural, so the entertainment options change quite a bit from having easy access to a city. 20:58:31 relatively close to urban areas, but rather wild and rural itself 20:59:07 "live free or die"-wild 20:59:15 heh yeah 20:59:31 nyef: I am not impressed by (say) the Parisians who claim to live there for entertainment, because they don't use it often. 20:59:43 NH and VT are fiercely independent states 21:00:13 beach: It's the principle of the thing! 21:00:20 beach: That's the standard problem where ever you live. You're working and often don't take the time to enjoy the local entertainment. There's always 'next weekend'. 21:00:48 Or 'next year'. 21:01:26 -!- slyrus [n=slyrus@adsl-75-60-30-7.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:01:31 -!- gruseom [n=daniel@S0106001217057777.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:01:35 tmh: But Parisians spend three hours each day to get to work. I can get to Paris over the weekend in 3 hours of train. 21:01:42 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@212.183.140.54] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:01:45 nyquist [n=user@19.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 21:02:05 -!- nyquist is now known as udzinari 21:02:09 beach: Ah, yeah, that's a different issue. 21:05:30 -!- Yuriy-Lopin [n=user1@109.86.134.96] has quit [Client Quit] 21:05:37 -!- DrForr_ is now known as DrForr 21:08:37 good night 21:08:55 -!- serichsen [n=user@hmbg-4d06e05d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["try to take over the world"] 21:10:59 -!- Pepe__ is now known as Pepe_ 21:13:06 ruediger_ [n=quassel@188-23-88-140.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 21:13:25 does anybody know why dan weinrebs google tech talk was removed from youtube? 21:14:03 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 21:15:20 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.132.38.178] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:18:07 -!- redline6561 [n=redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:18:14 -!- spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-107-60.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:18:53 time to enjoy the local entertainment. There's always 'next weekend'. 21:19:00 oops 21:20:36 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:21:17 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 21:22:07 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:24:00 -!- lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:24:07 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 21:24:36 rahul: tomorrow is lispnyc! 21:25:09 Ooh. One week to the boston-lisp-meeting. 21:25:40 also sbcl10 21:25:42 argh 21:26:02 jpl [i=jabber-i@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has joined #lisp 21:26:16 -!- jpl [i=jabber-i@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has left #lisp 21:26:24 marioxcc [n=user@200.92.174.228] has joined #lisp 21:29:20 nyef: I received an interesting pragmatic suggestion: steal some probability from the non-zero entries, and redistribute it evenly. *Then*, exponentiate the matrix. 21:29:23 -!- ruediger [n=quassel@91-115-182-68.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:29:39 jp_larocque [i=jabber-i@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has joined #lisp 21:32:29 redline6561 [n=redline@gate-22.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 21:33:05 Xach: holiday party at heow's new apartment, no less! 21:33:07 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:33:12 rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-rfrmvrhhbgowzale] has joined #lisp 21:34:15 argh, aver from SB-C::LINK-NODE-TO-PREVIOUS-CTRAN 21:36:31 hrm, recompiling a layered-function solved compiling the call site. probably some error left some sideffect inside sbcl's state... 21:41:02 c|mell [n=cmell@212.183.140.1] has joined #lisp 21:41:16 Ralith [n=ralith@d142-058-081-053.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 21:42:01 davazp [n=user@21.Red-88-8-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:28 -!- ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:45:53 -!- ruediger_ is now known as ruediger 21:48:33 -!- JAS415 [n=jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:49:14 -!- kami [n=user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:50:12 hypno [n=hypno@impulse2.gothiaso.com] has joined #lisp 21:57:35 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:00:47 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 22:01:01 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@212.183.140.1] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:02:04 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:02:07 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 22:02:19 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-134-66-143.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:03:50 -!- l_a_m [n=nlamirau@194.51.71.190] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:04:42 -!- udzinari [n=user@19.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:05:18 acieroid` [n=acieroid@ks23738.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:18 -!- LiamH [n=none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:05:46 YuleAthas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 22:06:41 ASau` [n=user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 22:10:53 rrice [n=rrice@63.81.0.20] has joined #lisp 22:10:58 cmm- [n=cmm@bzq-82-81-229-201.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:12 whoppix_ [n=whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp0681.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 22:13:15 -!- whoppix [n=whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp0681.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:13:24 pr [n=pr@unaffiliated/pr] has joined #lisp 22:13:43 -!- joga [i=joga@unaffiliated/joga] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:15:15 -!- morphling [n=stefan@gssn-5f756385.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:18:33 -!- acieroid [n=acieroid@ks23738.kimsufi.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:18:35 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:19:44 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:20:08 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 22:21:15 OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@222-154-179-47.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:22:11 dnolen [n=dnolen@pool-70-107-126-42.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:15 -!- dnolen [n=dnolen@pool-70-107-126-42.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:22:39 dnolen [n=dnolen@ironport.museum.moma.org] has joined #lisp 22:22:57 The_Doctor [n=The_Doct@dhcp-168-105-235-229.wireless.manoa.hawaii.edu] has joined #lisp 22:23:36 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-255-231.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 22:23:38 rvirding [n=chatzill@h69n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 22:23:47 rahul: Excellent. 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