00:01:15 rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:22 -!- badonaway [n=KCXYCL@75-169-51-194.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:01:48 badonaway [n=KCXYCL@75-169-51-194.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:49 -!- badon [n=KCXYCL@75-169-51-194.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 00:05:50 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-100-82-124.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:05:51 mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@ip68-100-82-124.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:06:03 -!- mattrepl_ is now known as mattrepl 00:06:24 emma: you'll get used to it. Lisp is more of a point in a language's evolution than it is a neatly-packaged experience (like python) 00:06:57 Reav___ [n=Reaver@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 00:06:57 it also conceptually builds the entire languago on top of only a small number of special operators 00:07:09 is lisp still evolving? 00:07:24 yes 00:07:51 common lisp is also evolving (see new libraries, and the cltl3 efforts) 00:08:32 emma: it is. There are scheme variants, clojure, plus most lisps are quite easy to modify through libraries (which is common in, pun unintended, Common Lisp) 00:08:33 -!- lujz [n=lujz@cpe-92-37-23-183.dynamic.amis.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:09:11 emma: you can modify the language itself, add new syntax, etc, so language features start become 'standard' over time, according to how people use it. 00:09:26 that's interesting. 00:10:08 ANSI Common Lisp itself might be a bit outdated as a language, but there's plenty of stuff out there that makes it more modern. In some cases, more advanced than other languages. 00:10:27 emma: if you strip CL standard into bare language necessities it would probably be much smaller, with rest defined as library :) 00:10:34 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:10:45 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:23 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 00:11:57 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 00:12:03 lujz [n=lujz@cpe-92-37-23-183.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #lisp 00:12:06 envi^office [n=envi@203.109.25.110] has joined #lisp 00:13:35 blitz_` [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 00:13:36 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [] 00:14:33 billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 00:15:21 oh the cltl3 thing seems like a great idea! I hope it works. 00:16:06 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 00:16:08 emma: cltl3 isn't doing anything revolutionary except putting stuff together. You should already be able to do most things CLtL3 is going to define (although they might not already work in all implementations) 00:16:34 -!- badonaway [n=KCXYCL@75-169-51-194.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:16:47 extensible sequences, for example, already exist in SBCL, and lots of implementations support stuff like threading or GC controls/weak pointers/weak tables 00:17:02 what about pathnames? 00:17:28 stassats: isn't cltl3 just taking all the non-portable implementation stuff and making it more standard? 00:17:41 I'm not sure what's being planned for pathnames. 00:19:02 sykopomp: http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/cltl3-devel/2009-August/000017.html 00:20:04 stassats: I've read that, yeah. 00:20:26 "Filesystem access" 00:20:30 -!- Hun [n=hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:20:45 -!- HET2 [n=diman@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust803.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 00:20:48 stassats: meaning? 00:20:50 -!- blitz_` [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:21:03 improved filesystem access! 00:21:08 blitz_` [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 00:21:20 well, yes 00:21:48 -!- blitz_ [n=blitz@dslb-094-222-085-253.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:22:11 -!- blitz_` is now known as blitz_ 00:23:08 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1750.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:24:13 -!- Adlai` [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:24:39 Adlai` [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 00:27:09 benny [n=benny@i577A1750.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 00:30:00 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:30:04 Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:11 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:45 Adrinael [i=adrinael@rib4.kyla.fi] has joined #lisp 00:32:06 the gigamonkey graph looks pretty cool 00:34:15 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-200.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:37:18 coliv [n=Coliveir@c-69-248-128-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:27 blackened`___ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 00:37:46 -!- Reav___ [n=Reaver@212.88.117.162] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:38:02 link? 00:38:18 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/caw-sales-ranks.png 00:39:16 -!- Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:39:34 <_3b> i guess /. was good for sales 00:39:44 what yellow does mean? 00:40:02 stassats: # of followers of a tweeter 00:41:28 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-110-225-173.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 00:44:19 -!- blitz_ [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has left #lisp 00:45:05 yay for gigamonkey 00:45:45 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:48:09 jan247 [n=jan247@tkt34.chikka.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:47 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:49:05 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 00:49:52 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:49:58 badon [n=KCXYCL@75-169-51-194.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:50:06 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 00:51:41 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 00:51:54 -!- blackened`__ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:51:55 htk_ [n=htk___@95.65.240.91] has joined #lisp 00:51:57 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 00:53:02 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:57:53 Adlai`` [n=adlai@93-173-134-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 00:59:11 -!- blackened`___ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 00:59:17 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:59:32 meingbg [n=meingbg@173.45.238.108] has joined #lisp 00:59:44 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:03:13 -!- rme [n=rme@pool-70-104-101-220.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:04:03 -!- Adlai` [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 01:04:47 slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:05:03 -!- Tordek [n=tordek@4-3-17-190.fibertel.com.ar] has quit ["leaving"] 01:05:15 -!- mrSpec [n=Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [";)"] 01:05:17 Tordek [n=tordek@4-3-17-190.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #lisp 01:05:39 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:25 Xach: what is the meaning of right axis in http://www.gigamonkeys.com/caw-sales-ranks.png? 01:11:05 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-evjeeuykpzwwmsec] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:11:10 sales rank 01:12:16 Xach: it is explained here http://www.rampant-books.com/mgt_amazon_sales_rank.htm 01:12:18 thanks 01:12:40 -!- ignas_ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:13:27 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:14:04 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:17 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@p14220-ipngn1701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:20:23 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:23:55 -!- lukjad007 [n=lukjadOO@unaffiliated/lukjad007] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24:25 jleija [n=jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:46 -!- lujz [n=lujz@cpe-92-37-23-183.dynamic.amis.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:25:15 lujz [n=lujz@92.37.23.183] has joined #lisp 01:27:34 jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-110-225-173.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:26 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1750.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:28:41 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1D5FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:05 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173.45.238.108] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:29:13 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 01:30:22 CL-USER> (load "/home/em/lisp/newproject.lisp") 01:31:28 I did that and nothing at all happened. It says at the bottom " pipelined request.... (swank: listener-eval.. 01:32:48 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-68-121-172-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:57 emma: what's in the file? 01:33:15 im trying to make a lisp program. 01:33:26 Xach: thanks for the heads up. router rebooted, cable swapped out and fbsd network stacks restarted. some combination of the above fixed things. sbcl/hunchentoot stayed up the whole time though :) 01:33:53 yay 01:34:33 i think maybe slime has lost its connection with somethin. 01:34:38 is there a way to restart slime? 01:35:14 ,restart 01:35:39 Wow. I haven't done anything with lisp for so long I don't even remember how I installed it on osx. This is sad. 01:35:55 <_3b> do any of the common lisps have different perfromance for short-floats and single-floats? 01:35:56 given your setup, normally, you shouldn't have "pipelined request" 01:36:11 look at inferior-lisp buffer for errors 01:36:28 -!- Buganini [n=buganini@220.135.231.23] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] 01:37:02 _3b: clisp has both short-floats and single-floats, but don't know about performance 01:37:52 (mapcar 'float-precision '(1s0 1.0 1d0 1l0)) => (17 24 53 64) 01:38:32 *_3b* wonders if it would be worth using short-floats to store 16bit floats 01:38:37 Do I want the sbcl-1.0.29 macports provides for an intel mac? 01:39:28 stassats, this is my inferior lisp buffer -- http://paste.lisp.org/display/86472 01:40:07 looks ok, so, you did restart? 01:40:26 no i didnt 01:40:40 and lisp-user> cant even do (+ 2 2) 01:41:03 something upset slime, try to restart 01:41:19 emma: what is in the file? 01:41:25 pipelined request... (swank:listener-eval ") 01:41:37 Xach, the program im trying to write. I'll paste it. 01:41:53 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:41:56 infinite loops? 01:41:56 but even when i did (+ 2 2) at the repl it says " pipelined request... (swank:listener-eval ") 01:42:02 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:15 i'll show it to you 01:42:52 sthalik [n=sthalik@c138-182.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 01:44:41 jao [n=jao@214.Red-88-6-174.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:44:52 -!- jao [n=jao@214.Red-88-6-174.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:45:28 felipe [n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #lisp 01:45:46 -!- ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:46:08 stassats, Xach this is the file -- http://paste.lisp.org/display/86474 01:46:19 rme [n=rme@pool-70-104-101-220.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:36 looks harmless to me. 01:46:45 does tour recursion terminate? 01:46:49 s/tour/your/ 01:47:29 -!- slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1"] 01:48:00 (add-entry s x) is meaningless, and you call grow-list with the same arguments, hence infinite loop 01:48:02 I thought it would terminate when the length of the list reaches 'n' then it would display the list x 01:48:38 add-entry isn't destructive, it doesn't do anything to the list 01:48:41 Adlai``` [n=adlai@89-139-26-249.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 01:50:02 jao [n=jao@214.Red-88-6-174.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:06 htk__ [n=htk___@188.3.225.74] has joined #lisp 01:51:30 slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:52:19 it adds an entry to the list. 01:52:32 not it isn't 01:52:43 it returns a fresh list 01:53:16 -!- thom_ [n=thom@pool-173-51-164-80.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:53:26 I think i fixed it. 01:53:30 (defun add-entry(s x) 01:53:30 (setf x (cons (random s) x))) 01:53:37 that's better 01:53:48 but i think that slime has lost contact with sbcl or something. 01:53:54 so i need to restart it or something. 01:53:59 try C-c C-c 01:54:19 i did that in the newproject.lisp buffer and it's the same pipeline message 01:54:35 no, C-c C-c in the repl, to interrupt it 01:54:40 okay 01:54:51 in newproject.lisp it'd be C-c C-b 01:54:55 -!- rvirding [n=chatzill@h6n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 01:55:05 that brought it back to life 01:55:11 thanks 01:55:40 also, we don't write add-entry(s x), rather add-entry (s x) 01:56:50 -!- dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [] 01:57:50 hobbsc [n=zalgo@opensuse/member/hobbsc] has joined #lisp 01:58:26 is there a sbcl+slime on linux tutorial on cliki somewhere? 01:58:28 installation, that is 01:58:44 minion: tell hobbsc about clbuild 01:58:45 hobbsc: look at clbuild: clbuild [common-lisp.net] is a shell script helping with the download, compilation, and invocation of Common Lisp applications. http://www.cliki.net/clbuild 01:59:21 thank you 02:00:24 saro_samurai [n=freak@134.193.241.28] has joined #lisp 02:02:16 -!- saro_samurai [n=freak@134.193.241.28] has quit [Client Quit] 02:02:44 saro_samurai [n=freak@134.193.241.28] has joined #lisp 02:03:49 emma: fyi "pipelined request" basically means that you did something that slime sent a message to swank (the in-the-target-lisp-process part of slime) but it hasn't yet gotten a reply to the *previous* message. 02:05:05 -!- htk_ [n=htk___@95.65.240.91] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:05:23 -!- htk__ [n=htk___@188.3.225.74] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:05:47 htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.225.74] has joined #lisp 02:06:00 emma: (defun add-entry (s x) (setf x (cons (random s) x))) compiles to exactly the same code as (defun add-entry (s x) (cons (random s) x)) 02:06:14 -!- Adlai`` [n=adlai@93-173-134-24.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:06:34 <_3b> pjb: x is a special in this case 02:07:07 remove x from arglist 02:07:13 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:07:16 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:07:28 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:43 _3b: even when it's special. 02:07:58 <_3b> pjb: ah, right 02:08:16 emma: and if it's a special variable, then it should be *x* 02:08:24 -!- saro_samurai [n=freak@134.193.241.28] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:09:02 emma: check the annotation on http://paste.lisp.org/display/86474 02:09:44 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:09:55 i just had some success 02:09:58 i got it to work. 02:10:14 i changed it myself, there are some problems with the program but it works once. 02:10:36 it can't work more than once but i will figure that out. I think i need to change the eq to a greater-than somehow. 02:10:47 and i need to have it reset some how but i will figure that out. 02:10:51 i'll post how i fixed it. 02:11:55 clhs eq 02:11:55 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_eq.htm 02:12:56 emma: there is no GT function in lisp :-( (and no NE, LT, LE, GE). 02:13:42 oh i thought there would be. 02:13:44 dys` [n=andreas@krlh-5f705684.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:02 emma: on the other hand, there is = /= < <= > and >= 02:14:15 isn't that the same thing? 02:14:34 Notice that (eq 3 3) may return nil, as indicated in the reference. 02:14:44 For numbers, you should use = 02:14:57 hm okay 02:15:17 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:13 emma: well, it would be a strange (but possible) implementation if (eq 3 3) wasn't true, but on most implementation (eq (1+ most-positive-fixnum) (1+ most-positive-fixnum)) will be NIL. 02:16:38 clhs if 02:16:38 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_if.htm 02:17:01 <_3b> ok, i can see exponential patch stuff chewing 100% cpu in darcs... but 'darcs help' ? 02:17:10 -!- sbahra [n=sbahra@c-68-34-110-14.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:17:24 Buganini [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 02:17:27 emma: (eq 'gt '>) => nil, fyi 02:18:15 emma: try: (list (list (eq 3 3) (eq 3.0 3.0) (eq 3.0 3)) (list (eql 3 3) (eql 3.0 3.0) (eql 3.0 3)) (list (= 3 3) (= 3.0 3.0) (= 3.0 3))) 02:18:16 <_3b> (and naturally i forgot the option i was looking for, so i have to run it again) 02:18:22 pjb: abcl returns NIL on near to 3 fixnums 02:18:31 greater then 255, iirc 02:18:34 than 02:19:06 _3b: I'd expect most implementation to return nil for (eq 3.0 3.0), since they'd box the floats. 02:19:54 _3b: on implementations such as abcl, it's probably faster to box a fixnum, than to try to encode it in a int... 02:19:59 is it possible for if to do two things in case it evaluates true? 02:20:09 emma: No it is not. 02:20:12 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.178.84] has quit ["Leaving..."] 02:20:19 emma: but you can make several things one, with PROGN. 02:20:26 hm, okay, good to know. I need to figure out a different way then. 02:20:31 emma: but you can make several things one, with PROGN. 02:20:39 clhs progn 02:20:40 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_progn.htm 02:22:48 -!- Guest31723 is now known as pkhuong 02:24:28 gko [n=gko@114-137-102-189.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:51 emma: and there is also when, which might be a macro using cond or if with progn 02:24:57 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-17-204-3.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:04 -!- dys [n=andreas@95.112.82.178] has quit [No route to host] 02:25:33 sykopomp: herep 02:25:44 Moe111 [n=Moe111@modemcable067.226-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 02:26:03 Any recommendations for a simple library that allows me to send emails? 02:26:08 emma: notice that in a lot of programming languages, IF expects only one instruction for each branch. Eg. Pascal, C, etc. 02:26:29 pjb, this is true for lisp too I guess. 02:26:36 Exactly. 02:26:47 i dont know any other programming language, lisp is my first one. 02:26:56 minion: mel-base? 02:26:56 mel-base: mel-base is a Networking Library for handling E-Mails (Author: Jochen Schmidt). http://www.cliki.net/mel-base 02:26:59 emma: ok. 02:27:11 emma: you're luck to start with the best! :-) 02:27:13 but im very close to getting my first program to do what i want. In fact, it does do what I want, but it can only do it one time :) 02:27:15 lucky 02:27:20 emma: but also look at cond, when, unless 02:27:26 mogunus: pong 02:27:29 I mean T 02:27:51 emma: let's start a "Lisp first" club, we're a rare breed. 02:27:52 i need it to display the result of x, and then put x back to being NIL so it is ready for the next time. 02:27:53 sykopomp: hah. so, clouchdb is developed under cvs, apparently. 02:27:59 sykopomp, oh hehe. 02:28:04 the-ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:04 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:28:19 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:23 sykopomp: I sent the author my patch, though. you can have a copy if you want. 02:28:24 mogunus: oh right, so it is. I made a git repo based on the cvs one. 02:28:27 thanks stassats. I think that one's a full on mail client functionality. know of anything simpler? like (send-mail title body server) ? 02:28:34 mogunus: I'll take one. Can you mail it to me? 02:28:50 i think i might know a way. 02:28:53 emma, you could try this http://www.franz.com/~jkf/ifstar.txt 02:28:53 sykopomp: ooo. does your git repo have extra fixes from you in it? 02:29:01 im going to try the cond 02:29:07 sykopomp: yeah, np. \msg me an email address for you 02:29:08 minion: cl-smtp? 02:29:09 cl-smtp: CL-SMTP is a simple lisp Networking Library that provides SMTP client protocol. http://www.cliki.net/cl-smtp 02:29:16 mogunus: me@gmail 02:29:28 -!- roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has left #lisp 02:29:33 mogunus: and yes, my git repo has my fixes, which are mostly to its cl-json hack. 02:29:34 ilitirit: better not 02:29:41 emma: what book are you studying with? 02:30:04 mogunus: he removed the entire extensibility thing cl-json had, so I got it to use generic functions again, so you can customize the way objects are serialized. 02:30:09 or something like that 02:30:13 thanks 02:30:18 sykopomp: ooo, interesting. patch sent. 02:30:22 got it, thanks. 02:30:27 sykopomp: have you talked to him about that? 02:30:28 -!- Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74.dynamic.barak-online.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:31:09 -!- the-ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:10 mogunus: I don't remember if I e-mailed him about it or not. I think I did. I usually e-mail people when I fork their projects. 02:31:26 sykopomp: we should maybe spam clouchdb-devel and try to get him on board 02:31:34 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2E20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:32:02 I'll probably do that once I start using clouchdb again. 02:32:13 Need to get some other stuff wrapped up first that I've been postponing. 02:32:31 sykopomp: cool. lord knows I don't want to hack on it seriously yet either. 02:32:45 Coliveira [n=Coliveir@c-69-248-128-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:01 But the code is clean enough that I really wouldn't mind writing a view-server for lisp in it. 02:33:37 I wish couch were better documented. 02:34:14 success! 02:34:21 -!- Moe111 [n=Moe111@modemcable067.226-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 02:34:24 i got it to work by using cond instead of if 02:34:46 pjb, im using PCL but for this i decided to take a break and just do something of my own 02:35:08 minion: tell emma about gentle 02:35:08 emma: direct your attention towards gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 02:35:08 so i learned some functions by looking stuff up in order to make my little program. 02:35:26 let me show you my program, you can probably run it yourself. 02:35:38 emma: As you're a beginner at programming I'd advise you this book. 02:36:07 emma: I started with Gentle Intro 02:36:10 PCL was way over my head. 02:36:27 mogunus: not like couchdb needs -that- much documentation, though, right? :P 02:36:37 -!- jleija [n=jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit ["leaving"] 02:36:47 "start daemon!" "make an http request!" "???" "PROFIT" 02:37:17 *pjb* is off to bed 02:37:51 sykopomp: hah! 02:38:21 I'm a bit concerned about performance, though. 02:38:25 we'll see how fast it really is :| 02:38:32 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [] 02:38:58 -!- merus [n=merus@c-67-175-45-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:39:39 I'll get a chance to do some really interesting performance testing as soon as I start hitting it with my entire media collection. 02:39:45 Adlai```` [n=adlai@93.173.237.22] has joined #lisp 02:39:45 sykopomp: you're going through a dozen context switches per request. Performance at the API level can't be that important. 02:39:47 gigamonkey: what was the sales rank image done with eventually? adw-charting? 02:40:08 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 02:40:25 michaelw: straight vecto. 02:40:35 ah, nice 02:41:14 Got a nice little test of my auto scaling code after the /. review today. 02:41:23 gigamonkey: make a library out of it? :) 02:41:36 Maybe. 02:41:47 Gotta at least save this code for when my next book comes out. 02:42:39 pkhuong: did you see http://paste.lisp.org/display/85915 ? 02:43:58 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 02:44:03 michaelw: yes, but I don't think I can find time to build the context necessary to solve that one, at least for the ~next month. I've been counting on nikodemus, actually. 02:44:33 Looks like it might be related to the apply/inlined local function bug. 02:44:39 here is my first common lisp program. See if it works for you -- http://paste.lisp.org/display/86476 02:46:05 emma: you really want to name variables defined with defparameter with *'s aound them. 02:46:08 So *x* not x. 02:46:20 -!- coliv [n=Coliveir@c-69-248-128-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:46:35 okay. Why though? 02:47:04 Also, just because I am using defparameter, is that the correct thing to be using for what Im doing there? 02:47:09 Because they are implicitly declared special which means anywhere you use that name it will behave slightly differently than normal lexical variables. 02:47:14 Not really. 02:47:24 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:47:37 More likely you should just pass in the list you want to add to and have it return a larger list. 02:47:38 pem [n=pem@159.226.35.246] has joined #lisp 02:47:38 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 02:47:47 It's hard to say, though, since it's obviously a toy problem. 02:48:27 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:48:37 well yes that was the idea i wanted to do, to give it the list i want to add to and have it return a larger list, but somehow i have to call it something. 02:48:37 You should also be careful about calling list-length so often since it has to traverse the whole (growing) list each time. 02:48:55 hm, good point. 02:49:09 maybe i could somehow make like a ticker. 02:49:14 (defun add-entry (s list) (cons (random s) list)) 02:49:31 Then it's up to the caller of add-entry to store the returned list somewhere handy. 02:49:43 sohail [n=sohail@CPE001839a305c5-CM000a73a081a5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 02:49:56 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable230.220-179-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 02:50:25 (defun grow-list (s n) (if (zerop n) nil (add-entry s (grow-list s (1- n))))) 02:50:41 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:50:57 (loop repeat n collect (random s))? 02:51:16 pkhuong: yeah, there's that too. I was being pedagogical. 02:51:49 hehe, well i was just making this as something to learn from... 02:52:02 so im happy it works. Im sure it's not the most efficient way. 02:52:07 -!- morganb [n=user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:52:18 morganb [n=user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:42 -!- Adlai``` [n=adlai@89-139-26-249.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:55:17 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable230.220-179-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:55:35 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [] 02:55:57 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 02:58:09 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 02:58:53 -!- slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 02:59:04 drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-132-42.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:01:02 Fare [n=Fare@c-98-216-110-136.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:07 GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:03 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-87-84-207.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:08:45 merus [n=merus@c-67-175-45-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:09:23 -!- merus [n=merus@c-67-175-45-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:09:25 DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@pool-141-157-64-49.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:33 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-aufjnakohafvgdfn] has joined #lisp 03:12:25 Good morning everyone! 03:12:33 hey 03:12:34 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:12:47 why is it always morning? It's always evening for me 03:12:51 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:54 hehe 03:13:21 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 03:14:05 morning 03:14:10 Thu Sep 3 03:14:09 UTC 2009 03:14:13 ;-) 03:14:18 eno__ [n=eno@70.137.157.39] has joined #lisp 03:14:32 DeusExPikachu, a common greeting in central europe uses "morning" at any time of day 03:14:57 analogous to english "good day" which is good during most day parts 03:16:06 well, in polish there's afaik no direct analogue (or at least it's not used) to "Good Morning", only "Good Day/Afternoon/Night" 03:16:09 -!- Coliveira [n=Coliveir@c-69-248-128-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:16:18 and other western european langs 03:16:34 that just seems strange to use at night... although I assume a lot of people here are in day time 03:17:13 in any case in the current era, local day parts are irrelevant 03:18:52 so, libCL, huh? 03:18:58 Morning, beach. 03:19:25 Maybe #lisp should be like airplanes--it's always Zulu time. 03:19:49 gigamonkey: the whole internet should be like that :) 03:19:50 *gigamonkey* actually likes the little reminders that some people are just getting up as I'm getting ready to sleep. 03:20:08 gigamonkey, are you EST? 03:20:29 PST (or PDT depending on the season). 03:20:41 But I go to bed early. 03:21:18 why not Pago-Pago time? :) 03:21:27 yes, that's what I use, my ideal sleep time is 00:00 - 06:00 UTC 03:21:46 up a bit early today 03:21:46 mmmh, sleep 03:21:55 *michaelw* faintly remembers the concept 03:22:06 *_3b* just uses 3b local time... if i remember waking up, it is morning, if i'm tired it is night, in between is afternoon :p 03:22:28 *stassats* yawns 03:23:07 *Lycurgus* drops a tasty lambda in stassats maw 03:23:50 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:25:08 <_3b> what tool adds 'Ignore-this: ' + a hash of some sort to darcs commit messages? 03:26:30 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 03:27:23 _3b: darcs, I think 03:27:35 _3b: http://lists.osuosl.org/pipermail/darcs-devel/2008-September/008586.html 03:27:36 <_3b> ah, right... seems i have an old darcs version 03:28:03 <_3b> guess i should fix that before converting it to git 03:28:38 are there any two's complement related lisp functions? 03:28:50 drafael: yes. 03:28:55 -!- Lycurgus [n=Ren@pool-71-186-135-250.bflony.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:29:30 also, you might want to move your ~/.darcs/ away, I had options in there which screwed the conversion process 03:29:32 logand, etc. 03:29:34 good good, I suppose I'll search the hyperspec then 03:29:40 clhs: logand 03:29:40 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_logand.htm 03:29:49 There are a bunch on that page. 03:29:53 Then go up to the dictionary. 03:30:04 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:30:10 awesome, thanks! 03:30:22 also BOOLE 03:30:44 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:30:48 Why both sets of functions exist, has, IIRC, something to do with the PDP-10 instruction set. 03:31:21 slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:31:48 gigamonkey: obLink: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/7ebe79808a10ae47 03:32:15 There you have it. At least I (vaguely) remember the stuff people tried to teach me. 03:32:23 -!- jao [n=jao@214.Red-88-6-174.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:32:30 I just bookmark it :) 03:32:41 huangjs [n=user@p2162-ipbf6607marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:32:44 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:32:58 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:30 skeptomai [n=cb@c-67-170-103-113.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:44 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@c-67-170-103-113.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:35:36 skeptomai [n=cb@c-67-170-103-113.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:27 -!- morganb [n=user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:38:48 -!- sthalik [n=sthalik@c138-182.icpnet.pl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 03:39:21 benny [n=benny@i577A1750.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 03:40:06 sthalik [n=sthalik@c142-5.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 03:40:10 -!- sthalik is now known as weirdo 03:41:23 gigamonkey, im only half way through chapter 3 on your book and your book is the entirety of lisp that I know. So my little program was just a self-learning thing before I move to chapter 4. 03:42:16 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 03:46:38 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:46:58 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:47:48 -!- dmiles [n=dmiles@c-76-104-220-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:48:27 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 03:51:17 emma: as a general thing, using more verbose identifiers will do you good :) 03:51:18 -!- gko [n=gko@114-137-102-189.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:51:44 illegible identifiers belong in haskell and perl land :D 03:52:10 emma, are you using slime/emacs? 03:52:17 DeusExPikachu, yep 03:52:18 -!- Adlai```` [n=adlai@93.173.237.22] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:52:28 sykopomp, what do you mean by identifiers? are those the variables? 03:52:34 cause, the tab-completion works great if you have long identifiers 03:52:48 or functions or macros 03:52:55 the names 03:53:00 okay 03:53:11 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:53:12 sykopomp, did you see my first program? 03:53:29 http://paste.lisp.org/display/86476 03:53:39 emma: yes, that. 03:53:50 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-191-200.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 03:53:50 identifiers are things like variables and function names 03:54:19 i just realized if i set (randlist n 2) then I can make binary numbers 03:54:32 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:54:41 Adlai```` [n=adlai@93-173-229-132.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 03:54:43 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:27 merus [n=merus@c-67-175-45-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:40 -!- merus [n=merus@c-67-175-45-120.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:59:15 do you guys ever get that "The local variables list in foo.lisp contains values that may not be safe (*)" message? 03:59:38 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:59:44 in emacs when loading new lisp files 04:00:00 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-110-225-173.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:00:18 -!- zoldar [n=zoldar@kyh66.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 04:04:31 -!- egosh [n=Miranda@94.242.158.114] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:04:53 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-aufjnakohafvgdfn] has left #lisp 04:05:35 DeusExPikachu: all the time. 04:05:41 I just hit ! and assume things will be fine. 04:06:00 spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-1-48.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:06:12 gigamonkey, I've been searching online, and it seems to be just for emacs lisp, so its misreading it somehow 04:06:24 gigamonkey: is it emacs getting horribly confused about seeing lisp-like code? 04:06:30 Dunno. 04:06:53 it's something in the -*- line iirc 04:07:25 -!- spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-1-48.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 04:07:33 or maybe the files have overrides for things like tab-width 04:08:19 I want to be not annoyed by it, I see it only when loading packages I didn't write 04:08:48 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-nixsurxoxdynoohx] has joined #lisp 04:09:13 I think it's stuff in the -*- line setting elisp local variables, which presumably could be used by elisp packages to help you deal with your source.. 04:09:21 DeusExPikachu: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Safe-File-Variables.html 04:09:24 I just found the thing I stuck in my .emacs to shut it up when I was editing ccl code 04:09:34 it should just be the -*- as others have said 04:09:34 (custom-set-variables '(safe-local-variable-values (quote ((Package . C) (Package . CCL) (Package . SYSTEM) (Syntax . ANSI-Common-Lisp) (Syntax . Common-Lisp))))) 04:10:04 there we go, that's what I need, ty 04:10:04 so you could do something like that for whatever variables in -*- emacs is getting upset about 04:10:07 If you take the choice to save the given value as safe, eventually you get all the values you'll run into in the libraries you use made safe. 04:10:30 The thing that puzzles me, is why Emacs is loading those files at all when I'm just compiling a system. 04:10:37 But that seems to be when I see it. 04:10:38 I need to figure out how to murder that incredibly obnoxious crap slime-asdf does when systems with warnings are loaded. 04:12:10 it needs to die a painful death. Preferably in fire. 04:13:39 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:13:52 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 04:14:28 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 04:15:45 morganb [n=user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:07 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:20:08 redblue [i=star@ppp029.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 04:20:50 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-191-200.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:27:33 -!- Adlai```` is now known as Adlai 04:28:10 gigamonkey: can I get a copy of CaW if I sell my soul to you? :) 04:29:13 I thought you already sold it, sykopomp 04:29:19 I need to figure out how to murder that incredibly obnoxious accumulating backquote on my ERC nick. It needs to die a painful death. Preferably in an electric fire. 04:29:42 DeusExPikachu: shhh. Franz might hear you. 04:29:53 Adlai: I like it. I think it adds character. 04:30:28 to be precise, it adds 4 character. 04:30:54 I'm perfectly satisfied with 5 character. Don't need more. 04:30:55 no, it adds as many characters as it has to. 04:31:35 Adlai: perhaps Adlai' would be more appropriate, or you can macroexpand that to "Adlai-prime", then "Adlai-prime-prime", and so on. 04:31:37 Right, ERC is idiotic because it tries signing in with the same name again. So after it signed in once with "Adlai`", next time instead of trying "Adlai", it tries "Adlai`" again. 04:31:49 Adlai: only electric? why not thermonuclear furnace? :D 04:31:58 *Adlai* hits sykopomp upside the head with a nested bacquote. 04:32:02 I have to side with p_l there. 04:32:17 that's too quick 04:32:21 I prefer death by paper cut 04:32:31 *p_l* loves the sight of nuclear carpet bombardment ^_^ 04:32:46 and lemon juice 04:33:07 DeusExPikachu: how does "hanged on his own hankerchief while exiting the room" sounds? 04:33:12 (real story) 04:33:29 *Adlai* smiles and backs away from the channel... 04:33:47 That's not the kung fu guy is it? 04:34:33 DeusExPikachu: afaik no, it was a normal guy who tripped while exiting his house, he had hankerchief wrapped around his neck, it caught something and somehow suffocated him 04:34:52 (could be crashed throat) 04:35:17 p_l, must've been a strong hankercheif, I would've ripped that to shreads, stopping breathing is not as bad as stopping 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04:42:43 -!- Guest13515 [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 04:42:47 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:42:56 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:37 ...let over lambda? 04:43:37 yeah... 04:43:39 those are my only printed lisp materials 04:44:06 sepult` [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:44:33 -!- froydnj [n=froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:45:04 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 04:45:42 -!- sepult` [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 04:46:18 Why does my Firefox 3.5 have a British spellchecker? 04:46:35 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:46:36 DeusExPikachu: btw, if the hit is strong enough to crash the throat, restoring breathing would be rather hard ;-) 04:46:43 gigamonkey: because it is cultured and educated 04:46:47 ^_- 04:47:10 p_l, yeah crushed throat would require a puncture below the adam's apple to restore breathing I believe, similar to choking 04:47:43 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:48:42 *p_l* will have to play around with designs for strengthening such critical areas. Nanotech armor would be a good thing :3 04:48:57 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 04:49:46 DeusExPikachu: I think you can do that, in a pinch, with a ballpoint pen. 04:50:07 gigamonkey, that's what I'm told as well 04:50:26 gigamonkey: assuming you have another person to do it. Doing that to yourself is much more complicated 04:50:29 makes me cringe thinking about it though 04:51:00 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Success] 04:51:24 injuries in other areas are easier to deal by yourself, though there are still few "sure kills" 04:52:01 My favorite low-tech emergency medical technique is, when someone's heart has stopped and you don't have any better way to start it, you just hit them really hard in the chest. 04:53:41 gigamonkey: I prefer heart massage - hitting really hard in area of the heart could quite easily turn into one-hit kill 04:54:04 Sure. But when the heart is already stopped, you don't have a lot to lose, right. 04:54:41 I'm having a hard time imagining any heart massage that's going to restart a stopped heart that doesn't involve first opening the chest. 04:54:52 so you have to be sure if it really stopped or just pausing for some minutes 04:54:57 lol 04:55:12 there is cpr people... 04:55:43 also, at least one existing implant can be mistaken for stopped heart... well, it does stop the heart, but not blood flow ^^; 04:55:50 DeusExPikachu: yeah. I'm not sure what the circumstances are where the chest strike comes in. Maybe after CPR has failed. 04:55:52 gigamonkey, electroshocks? 04:56:13 CPR includes breaking ribs 04:56:13 intubation 04:56:24 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:56:34 Fare: we're assuming no high-tech things like defibrillators handy. 04:56:51 sepult: you also have to consider hibernation (partial hibernation was used for heart operations before apriopriate devices were available) 04:57:00 I hope people don't have heart attacks around you guys 04:57:20 afaik, CPR isn't meant to resuscitate, it's just supposed to keep blood flowing until real medical technicians can show up. 04:57:32 and defibrillators aren't magical heart starters :P 04:57:34 Well, if you're around me, hopefully you'll hear me yelling, "Honey!" She's the MD. 04:57:46 free health care! Just DEMAND it, it will resurrect the dead 04:57:54 DeusExPikachu: well, I was once on a first aid course including CPR, but I'm better with different type of wounds :D 04:57:55 sykopomp: well, I think technically they're to knock the heart back into a good rhythm. 04:58:06 yeah 04:58:15 -!- Soulman__ [n=kae@80.203.160.34] has quit [Success] 04:58:18 I want a free doctor with a defibrillator following me at all times. And another free doctor to follow him. etc. 04:58:23 it can resuscitate, and defibrillators help fix erratic hearts rythms 04:58:41 Fare: lulz fud 04:58:52 Fare: If I get what I want, I will have a sign "do not follow medical procedures - no biological parts" 04:59:34 Apparently the best place to have a heart attack is in a Vegas casino; they've got those automatic defibrillators all over the place *and* they're watching everyone all the time. You get treated faster there than if you MI in the middle of the average ER. 04:59:58 gigamonkey: that's hilarious. 05:00:27 speaking of hearts, that's what my research will be on here at hopkins, the group here models hearts on a computer 05:00:37 DeusExPikachu: nice! 05:01:10 I just started my first rotation, been setting up software so far 05:01:13 *p_l* thinks of replacing (in future) his heart with redundant turbines (before we get better stuff) 05:01:30 and reminded me how much I hate C++ compiler errors and warnings 05:01:34 haha 05:01:54 especially when its not my code I'm debugging... 05:02:08 I hope your turbines won't be programmed in C++ 05:02:22 yeah what happens if there is a segfault? 05:02:24 -!- lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:02:29 or in Ada as in Ariane V 05:02:38 lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 05:03:25 Fare: afaik the Ariane was a human error, something about wrong compiler profile... 05:03:46 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:03:57 though I will certainly avoid C++ 05:04:03 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:04:39 *Lisp and Haskell look like viable candidates though :D 05:04:53 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 05:05:56 p_l: The issue was reusing an old (bugfree) module in a new rocket. 05:06:59 p_l: unfortunately, bug-free in this case did not mean "in all contexts". The new rocket flew faster, and the old module did not support such speeds (whereas it was ok in the previous slower rocket) 05:07:15 Axioplase: heh. Classic human error :) 05:07:18 And to add insult to injury, the code that caused the exception wasn't even needed for that part of the flight. 05:07:28 ln5 [n=ln5@h199n2c1o255.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 05:07:42 -!- meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:07:53 (though not as funny as float getting declared as integer in one of american rockets...) 05:07:54 It raised an exception that has never been caught (since in Ada, ranges of integers are types too.) 05:07:56 meingbg [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 05:08:48 I really like Ada, and would love to see more C code rewritten with it (say, in free software) 05:09:29 p_l, eventually, all errors are human 05:09:51 p_l: but when "redundancy" means "both units fail in the very same deterministic way and crash the system", not very useful 05:10:15 -!- authentic [n=authenti@85-127-20-76.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 05:10:19 Axioplase: I have seen letters from companies complaining to universities against teaching Java, but for C/Ada + high-level language like Lisp/Haskell/ML/etc. 05:10:24 Fare: Did you see my application for learning Vietnamese? 05:10:30 nope. Where? 05:10:39 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-68-121-172-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:10:48 Hmm, I'd love to see moon camels -- but I don't really expect to. 05:10:51 Fare: Screenshot here: http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/app.png 05:11:10 p_l: in (one of my) previous univ, I've had Java, Ada, Scheme and OCaml. 05:11:12 Fare: When I put the pointer over a word, the dictionary entry is shown on the right. 05:12:48 Axioplase: lucky. I got saddled with Java for most of the course, it seems. There's some C/C++ later and some modules use specific languages (CLIPS & Haskell) 05:12:51 Fare: It is 275 lines of code, and the first working version took about 2 hours to write. 05:13:06 Then I improved it in various ways, but still. 05:16:06 -!- existentialmonk [n=user@64-148-11-244.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:16:17 splittist [n=dmurray@63-55.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 05:16:20 morning 05:16:24 hello splittist 05:16:40 ve_ [n=c@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 05:17:23 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:19 nice 05:18:27 beach: is the code available? 05:18:27 Thanks! 05:18:49 where did you get the dict from? 05:19:24 Sure: http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/Vietnamese/ 05:19:52 Fare: A free project in Leipzig 05:19:58 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 05:20:39 Fare: There are very likely copyright problems with the texts, and with my complementary dictionaries (dico.text, dico2.text) but not with the rest, so be careful. 05:20:44 benny` [n=benny@87.122.25.251] has joined #lisp 05:20:51 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1750.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:21:22 URL included in the sources? 05:21:27 Fare: Initially, it was just a way for me to look up a work once (and enter it into the dictionary) instead of having to do it dozens or hundreds of times. 05:21:42 Fare: Yes, the first entry of the dictionary contains the URL for it, I think. 05:21:42 -!- ve [n=c@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:21:42 -!- ve_ is now known as ve 05:22:13 Fare: But it was quite buggy; I had to fix quite a few entries just in order to read it in. 05:22:42 Fare: They also have Vietnamese/French and Vietnamese/German dictionaries as I recall. 05:23:10 -!- benny` is now known as benny 05:23:34 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 05:25:00 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you are sure 06:52:25 Ah, the strategically missing punctuation.. 06:52:33 stop playing with me! You'll make Krystof angry. 06:52:43 minion, yes, kinda, maybe. 06:52:43 you are sure 06:52:57 mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:53:09 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:53:41 HET2 [n=diman@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust803.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 06:53:42 good morning 06:55:34 Oh, "adult windowing relationship".. 06:55:56 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:56:12 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:39 -!- tcr [n=tcr@138.246.7.146] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:59:04 -!- krig [i=kegie@stalin.acc.umu.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:59:42 deepfire: ? 07:00:03 cads [n=max@c-24-30-105-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:36 p_l, CLIM spec can be an amusing reading 07:01:53 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.161.47.184] has joined #lisp 07:02:13 p_l, this was from section 6.1, specifically 07:05:55 gko` [n=gko@114-137-102-189.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:06:58 Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has joined #lisp 07:11:45 good morning 07:11:46 my god, who turned up minion's irritability timeout? 07:12:08 Hmm, the difference in mutability of results of sheet-children and sheet-siblings is merely list-related, right? 07:12:25 Because 07:13:27 it doesn't appear to make sense for the latter to make actual fresh sheet copies.. 07:14:49 prg [n=prg@91.214.124.1] has joined #lisp 07:16:19 ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78.23.124.196] has joined #lisp 07:21:07 -!- gko [n=gko@114-137-102-189.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:21:22 -!- yoonkn [n=yoonkn@112.169.40.70] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:22:33 Cassio [i=Cassio@151.61.94.223] has joined #lisp 07:24:04 -!- gko` [n=gko@114-137-102-189.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:24:44 Numlock [n=resteven@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 07:26:11 -!- Numlock is now known as PissedNumlock 07:28:10 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:28:23 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 07:31:44 -!- ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78.23.124.196] has quit [Connection timed out] 07:32:37 Reading the comments to the review of gigamonkey's C@W book reminded me why I don't read slashdot any more. That is all. 07:34:39 Where on one's harddrive should third-party packages be installed for sbcl to find them? 07:35:00 <_3b> wherever you told sbcl to look for them 07:35:45 -!- BrianRice [n=water@c-71-59-210-115.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:35:45 <_3b> somewhere named by asdf:*central-registry* for example if you use asdf 07:36:00 BrianRice [n=water@c-71-59-210-115.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:36:00 -!- ltriant [n=ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit ["leaving"] 07:37:23 _3b, is there a good asdf tutorial someplace? 07:37:37 Ogedei [n=user@e178200101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 07:37:37 -!- cads [n=max@c-24-30-105-125.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:38:56 <_3b> http://cliki.net/asdf has some information and links 07:39:05 *_3b* just lets clbuild deal with it these days though 07:39:31 aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:40:39 _3b, thanks. 07:40:45 -!- saikat_ [n=saikat@c-98-210-13-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 07:45:03 Is there a lisp function to determine the width of unicode characters and of strings composed of those characters? 07:45:34 <_3b> if you mean width of displayed representation, depends on what you use to display them 07:45:52 <_3b> (most options for that should have some way though) 07:46:49 <_3b> well, strings at least, the question might not be meaningful for characters 07:47:47 _3b, gentium font on screen and printed on paper. 07:48:26 <_3b> how is it getting from lisp to screen/paper though? 07:49:20 <_3b> it is up to whatever is rasterizing the font, and deciding character/word spacing, etc 07:54:48 qui 07:54:49 -!- prg [n=prg@91.214.124.1] has quit ["leaving"] 07:56:35 I've put up a video of one of the examples that comes with Okra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INeUifM2Bhg 07:56:41 minion: okra? 07:56:42 okra: Okra provides CFFI bindings to the Ogre 3D graphics engine. http://www.cliki.net/okra 07:56:53 -!- AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:56:53 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:57:05 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:27 aerique, wow, something like this is long overdue! 07:57:39 AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 07:58:04 -!- slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has quit ["Computer goes to sleep!"] 07:59:49 _3b, McClim for on screen. LaTeX to PDF for paper. Actually, no definite plans yet. 08:00:12 -!- redblue [i=star@ppp029.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [""You cannot do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it will be too late." -RWE"] 08:00:53 thom_ [n=thom@pool-173-51-164-80.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:55 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 08:01:57 <_3b> clim stream-string-width 08:02:24 *_3b* pokes specbot 08:02:29 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/15-4.html#_808 08:02:48 deepfire: cheers :) although i'd still prefer an all native CL solution 08:03:39 <_3b> ^ google suggests that might be relevent, no idea how clim works though, so you'll have to poke around the spec from there unless one of the clim types wakes up :) 08:04:39 gko [n=gko@114-137-97-28.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:05:08 <_3b> i suspect predicting the result of sending it through latex would be challenging, but again have no specific knowledge 08:05:20 redblue [i=star@ppp049.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 08:05:52 aerique: let's do it, then, why not? :P 08:08:31 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 08:09:47 Reav___ [n=Reaver@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 08:10:42 Hun [n=hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 08:12:04 sykopomp: huge project and I want to spend time on making games 08:12:12 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:12:24 psh, simple weekend hack! 08:12:27 ;) 08:13:05 sykopomp: very useful smaller subprojects to cut down on external ffi solutions: physics engine and input library (keyboard, mouse, joystick, joypad, wiimote) 08:13:13 manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:13:26 D: 08:13:49 <_3b> dno't forget tablets :p 08:14:11 _3b, thanks. Are there many clim types on this channel? I know of beach. 08:14:17 aerique: ralith is working on making a native CL port of box2d, although that doesn't help for 3d games :P 08:14:30 _3b: good point. i think there's an initial version of ecl for the iphone 08:14:44 sykopomp: it's a start :) 08:14:48 and as far as the input library goes -- I think my personal ideal solution would be to do what pyglet did and write native bindings for each operating system's windowing and input stuff. 08:14:54 and wrap it all up in a common API 08:15:18 from the initial snooping I did, it seemed to have taken ~300 or so lines of python for each OS 08:15:30 aerique: You want to code a 3d-engine with lisp? 08:15:31 so I wouldn't expect it to be an insane project to take on. 08:15:38 _3b, what if I just displayed on a web page? 08:15:41 <_3b> lat__: there are more, but i don't remember who off hand 08:17:21 <_3b> lat__: displaying on a web browser isn't too hard, though getting detailed feedback like that about layout might be (unless you do that sort of thing on the browser with js) 08:17:31 phryk: no, want a 3d-engine in CL but i don't want to do it myself ;) 08:17:32 <_3b> lat__: depends on what you are trying to do i guess 08:18:31 aerique: Aaah^^ 08:18:44 <_3b> sykopomp: hard part is getting all the random subtle details right, lots of knowledge embedded in the various libs like SDL, etc 08:19:53 _3b: yeah, but it would be a heck of a lot nicer than having libsdl as a dependency just to draw a damn window. 08:19:59 <_3b> especially things where different drivers or odd system configurations behave differently 08:20:00 _3b, one last question. What if I used Emacs 23 to display the utf-8 strings to screen? 08:20:30 <_3b> lat__: you could probably do that too 08:21:31 -!- Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:22:17 serichse1 [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-140-20.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 08:23:37 -!- serichsen [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-188-53.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:24:51 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:24:51 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:24:59 manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:25:06 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 08:31:17 -!- HG` [n=HG@xdsleh067.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:31:37 ignas_ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 08:32:42 _3b, thanks again. 08:33:56 -!- serichse1 is now known as serichsen 08:34:51 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-109.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:35:15 Xach: you are keeping track of lisp meetings, right? there's going to be one in budapest, hungary: http://www.meetup.com/parentheses/calendar/11257069/ 08:36:05 legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-11-206.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 08:36:52 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:32 -!- Axioplase [n=Axioplas@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit ["brb"] 08:42:17 -!- legumbre [n=user@r190-135-17-166.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:43:11 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 08:47:54 fusss [n=chatzill@115.128.31.45] has joined #lisp 08:48:49 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 08:48:59 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:49:47 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:49:58 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@79.45.46.59] has joined #lisp 08:50:55 attila_lendvai: why Fecske Terasz? Just for the drinking or because it is a possible venue for presentations as well? (I'm curious about what is a good sort of venue for these sorts of meetings, other than ITA or Google...) 08:51:03 -!- arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:55:40 splittist: it's a nice place for drinking and not loud for talking. these meetings are nothing like the boston meetings, it's just around 5-8 people, most of them don't actually hack much lisp 08:56:04 kiuma [n=kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:56:18 arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 08:56:21 splittist: but it's not us (dwim guys) who organize it, so i don't know what the decision is based on 08:57:04 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:57:21 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 08:57:22 splittist: last time it was in if caffe, where we had the quiet cellar with a projector. we talked about our projects and libs we use 08:59:25 nvntung [n=user@147.210.246.189] has joined #lisp 09:00:42 gio1234 [n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.118] has joined #lisp 09:02:30 -!- arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:03:46 attila_lendvai: OK. Thanks! 09:04:10 -!- matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:04:56 To draw a cube at arbitrary positions and a size in OpenGL, I define a function as follow (defun sphere (size point)) 09:05:37 Is that true if we use glTranslatef when we draw a cube to place the position? 09:06:28 knobo [n=user@193.217.20.38] has joined #lisp 09:06:28 <_3b> nvntung: you can do that, or you can adjust the coordinates as you draw them 09:06:44 <_3b> nvntung: SPHERE is an odd name for a function that draws a cube though :) 09:07:31 fiveop [n=fiveop@g229175140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:07:33 If I want to draw a series of cubes whose postions are generated randomly 09:07:34 <_3b> if you use gl:translate, you will probably want to save/restore the current matrix around the function, or reset it between objects 09:08:47 -!- envi^office [n=envi@203.109.25.110] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:09:03 And I have to reset view after drawing a cube. That is incredible 09:09:58 Is the cl-unicode package of any use with sbcl? 09:10:44 lat__: I think so, it has some functions about unicode attributes, etc. 09:12:29 <_3b> nvntung: gl:translate modifies the current state of the transformation matrix, so unless you want to accumulate the modifications, you will need to undo them, either by saving/restoring the matrix, resetting the matrix to identity and rebuilding it (or possibly by adding an inverse transformation, but that way accumulates errors) 09:12:34 _3b: I use cube and sphere to draw nodes on the graph. The function sphere serves the purpose, but the cube doesnt work well. 09:15:05 *_3b* wonders where lisppaste bot is hiding 09:15:30 _3b: This is (defmethod cube (cube-size (p Point-3D))). Invoke (gl:translate-f (x p) (y p) (z p)) to set the view (as postions)). Is that right? 09:15:56 -!- pem [n=pem@159.226.35.246] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:16:16 <_3b> nvntung: that sounds reasonable, you probably want to (gl:push-matrix) before that, and (gl:pop-matrix) at the end of the function 09:16:40 morning 09:17:12 Good ole Montezuma, unknown, under utilized, and very powerful. 09:17:26 pem [n=pem@159.226.35.246] has joined #lisp 09:17:43 i set out the whole day tomorrow to mess with it and got it working in half an hour :-) 09:17:51 _3b: No, we dont need to use (gl:pop-matrix) to define the cube function. 09:18:23 *fusss* thinks it needs a SQL-like repl though for non lisper admins to work with it 09:19:18 -!- pem [n=pem@159.226.35.246] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:19:36 <_3b> nvntung: in that case, i must not be understanding correctly what you are doing, can you paste the whole function to http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp ? 09:19:47 pem [n=pem@159.226.35.246] has joined #lisp 09:19:50 _3b: But to draw sphere, we need to use (gl:push-matrix) and (gl:pop-matrix) because of (gl:+quads+). I invoke (gl:translate-f) both functions. 09:20:24 galdor, thanks. 09:24:16 _3b: http://paste.lisp.org/display/86491 09:24:45 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:25:11 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173.45.238.108] has joined #lisp 09:25:38 ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 09:26:33 In the test-all function, I draw two spheres without reseting the view. Meanwhile, I have to reset the view after draw the cube. 09:26:51 gio123 [n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.118] has joined #lisp 09:27:00 _3b: In the test-all function, I draw two spheres without reseting the 09:27:00 view. Meanwhile, I have to reset the view after draw the cube. 09:27:14 <_3b> nvntung: right, that is because the sphere function resets the view, using gl:pop-matrix 09:27:39 ah, i see. 09:27:48 <_3b> if the cube function did gl:push-matrix, and gl:pop-matrix, then it would work better also 09:28:21 <_3b> but you also have a gl:translate before the call to cube, so you need to undo that as well if you don't want it to affect the spheres 09:28:38 <_3b> either that or you should add the -30 to the position of the cube 09:29:06 _3b: But that is a simple demo 09:30:31 _3b: I will have to draw a lot of cubes and spheres. We cant always reset after drawing one cube. 09:31:05 <_3b> right, you just need to use push-patrix and pop-matrix around the state for a given cube/sphere 09:31:25 HG` [n=HG@xdsleh067.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 09:32:07 -!- jan247 [n=jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [] 09:32:38 -!- HET2 [n=diman@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust803.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:33:06 _3b: Using the translatef function to place the position of objects, is that right? 09:33:06 <_3b> for example if you wanted multiple cubes around 0,0,-30, you could do push-matrix, then the (translate 0 0 -30), then call cube a few times (with push-matrix and pop-matrix in the cube function also), then pop-matrix and continue on to the next objects 09:33:49 -!- Hun [n=hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:33:50 _3b: thanks. I see your idea. 09:34:38 <_3b> nvntung: are you familiar with using a 4x4 matrix to do 3d transformations? 09:35:55 -!- morganb [n=user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:36:09 ltriant [n=ltriant@202.136.38.162] has joined #lisp 09:37:05 KingNato [n=patno@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 09:38:46 _3b: I am a newbie with OpenGL and Common Lisp. Maybe you feels strange to my questions. :) 09:41:03 _3b: Is there any better ways to program OpenGL in CL without converting from C/C++ code? I am familiar with imparative style. 09:41:44 converting? you mean without a FFI? 09:42:07 <_3b> nvntung: cl-opengl tries to be a bit more 'lisp style' than cl-glfw, for example in cl-opengl you could do (gl:with-pushed-matrix ...) instead of (gl:push-matrix) ... (gl:pop-matrix) 09:42:31 <_3b> in general you will still be doing fairly imperative style programming though 09:44:44 _3b: I mean that I read examples of OpenGL in C/C++, then converting to Lisp. I dont know that is good way to learn OpenGL on CL. 09:45:27 <_3b> right, there isn't much information about OpenGL on CL available from what i've seen :( 09:45:27 you have to read it more or less in C. the standard API is in C. 09:46:11 <_3b> hypno: nah, standard is language independent (though you are usually stuck with a C abi) 09:46:12 with a good FFI, the difference between C and CL code should be very small tho. 09:46:26 _3b: In particular speaking, cl-glfw has a bit of examples to reference. I searhc in Internet to learn demos of glfw, glut,etc... change to cl-glfw 09:46:27 _3b: sure. 09:46:34 -!- gio1234 [n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.118] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:47:02 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 09:47:04 <_3b> hypno: though there is always the option of using the glx network protocol directly :) 09:47:22 heh. i would rather interface to java. :P 09:47:39 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 09:48:10 Athas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has joined #lisp 09:49:11 nvntung: i am writing the lowest interface layers in C instead of CL, and then I will hook up a FFI to /my/ layer instead of FFI-ing to everything. there are many options. 09:50:47 <_3b> hypno: for GL code, or some other ffi? 09:51:20 glfw + (soon to come) freetype or some fontlib. 09:51:49 -!- ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:52:54 i am more into scientific visualization, etc so i do not need very advanced gl stuff. i think i could even manage with a simple wrapper protocol for GL to C as well. 09:54:06 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173.45.238.108] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:54:22 meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 09:54:34 QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 09:56:43 hypno: My project must be coded in CL. 09:56:51 -!- Athas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:57:28 i would too if it wasnt for the font issue. 09:57:29 gio1234 [n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.110] has joined #lisp 09:57:29 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:57:52 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@g229175140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["humhum"] 09:58:06 Athas [n=athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:59:09 authentic [n=authenti@85-127-20-116.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 09:59:19 hypno: You meet the font issues too? 10:01:25 yupp. 10:06:04 -!- gio123 [n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.118] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:06:11 -!- meingbg` [n=meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has left #lisp 10:06:36 <_3b> have either of you looked at http://repo.or.cz/w/cl-ftgl.git for text/font stuff? 10:06:57 Axioplase [n=Axioplas@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 10:08:11 -!- Axioplase [n=Axioplas@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 10:09:01 Axioplase [n=Axioplas@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 10:12:06 hmm. that looks like an option. 10:12:40 *_3b* needs to get better at keeping track of projects like that 10:12:42 it's in C++ tho. :/ 10:13:09 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:12 <_3b> c++ doesn't matter if someone else already did bindings for it :p 10:14:50 htk__ [n=htk___@188.3.227.231] has joined #lisp 10:15:01 i create my own bindings generally. and the ffigen4 stuff has been working so impressive to me that i am reluctant to change that. :) 10:15:07 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:15:37 *_3b* finds http://assimp.sourceforge.net/ , wonders how hard that would be to write bindings for 10:16:23 just point to the header files and a complete CCL interface is done with just a command? :) 10:16:34 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@115.128.31.45] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:17:03 *_3b* wants to run on more than ccl 10:17:04 _3b: I have just looked at the link you mentioned. 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(gl:...) and (%gl:...)? 10:24:15 <_3b> nvntung: %gl is the name of the package in cl-opengl containing the low-level bindings, gl is the package with the nicer interface 10:24:40 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-txrwrrasonvcpyne] has left #lisp 10:24:45 _3b: I create a link to cl-ftgl.asd. Is that enough? 10:24:56 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-knckrvtwllgwrowk] has joined #lisp 10:25:14 <_3b> nvntung: if it works, it is enough 10:25:46 -!- htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.225.74] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:26:28 -!- redblue [i=star@ppp049.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [""You cannot do a kindness too soon because you never know how soon it will be too late." -RWE"] 10:26:44 _3b: because it must load "anaphora". I dont know this package. 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use the remote slime where commands like c-c C-c or C-c C-k will work. 10:58:17 do I need to use tramp or is there a better way? 10:58:20 now, when are you gonna tell us more about this "remote server"? what hostname? ;) 10:58:56 you just edit the files localy if you want them local. if you want the files on the remote box, then tramp or something else is needed, yes. 10:59:11 quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:23 (tramp or ange-ftp has always sucked donkey balls for me, but ymmw) 10:59:30 leo2007: http://a1k0n.net/blah/archives/2005/11/04/T18_00_44/index.html is how it used to work 11:00:05 -!- lispm [n=joswig@e177156002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:01:42 -!- laynor [n=laynor@93.107.159.53] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:02:53 hypno: if the file is local then C-c C-k will fail, isn't it? 11:03:44 hypno: it says: failed to find the truename of ...... 11:04:33 my setup is a bit different: i use a ssh-tunnel to forward the remote port to my own host so, as far as slime is concerned, i am seemingly operating locally. this works fine for me with local files. i have no tryied your conf tho. 11:06:05 -!- ve [n=c@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:06:11 ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:06:42 hypno: that would seem better. how do you set it up? 11:07:41 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:08:24 leo2007: just use ssh. checkout -R/-L. 11:08:35 arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 11:08:37 logBot2972 [n=logBot@59.92.185.35] has joined #lisp 11:09:34 ie, something like: ssh -R 4005:myswankserver:4005 myswankserver 11:09:42 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 11:13:07 -!- htk__ [n=htk___@188.3.227.231] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:13:16 i wouldn't recommend running swank on an external interface tho. you are generally better off with using localhost for this setup. 11:13:24 htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.227.231] has joined #lisp 11:13:48 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 11:14:25 _3b: (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op '#:anaphora) in examples.lisp 11:14:25 11:14:26 you mean ssh -R 4005:localhost:4005 myswankserver? 11:14:45 prg [n=prg@ns.alusht.net] has joined #lisp 11:14:57 yupp. 11:15:01 -!- ASau [n=user@host218-230-msk.microtest.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:17:46 tagac [n=adnarim@119.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 11:18:32 hypno: did that but slime failed to connect it says 11:18:35 open-network-stream: make client process failed: Connection refused, :name, SLIME Lisp, :buffer, nil, :host, 127.0.0.1, :service, 4005 11:18:39 -!- fnordus [n=dnall@70.70.0.215] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:20:06 matimago [n=user@cac94-13-78-227-100-250.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:20:14 erm, you should use -L, sorry, and make sure swank is actually listening on localhost. 11:21:45 scottmaccal [n=scott@sentry3.jayschools.org] has joined #lisp 11:22:06 hypno: that is what I had. but then C-c C-k can not compile local files 11:22:54 Xach: I will try that approach shortly. 11:23:03 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [] 11:23:11 C-M-x however works 11:23:26 i use c-x-e mostly. 11:23:46 hypno: C-x C-e you mean. 11:23:49 _3d: are you there? 11:24:10 matimago: yes. 11:25:05 ASau [n=user@host218-230-msk.microtest.ru] has joined #lisp 11:28:14 -!- ramus` [n=ramus@adsl-99-23-149-25.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["leaving"] 11:31:31 sohail [n=sohail@CPE001839a305c5-CM000a73a081a5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 11:31:32 hypno: Have you ever tried cl-ftgl as _3b mentioned? 11:31:58 nvntung: nope. i role my own stuff. 11:32:33 try it, let me know if it's any good. :) 11:33:12 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 11:33:42 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-knckrvtwllgwrowk] has left #lisp 11:33:51 hypno: When do require 'cl-ftgl, repl notices an error ":ANAPHORA not found". 11:34:20 hypno: I have asked _3b, he has not replied yet. 11:35:07 hypno: I like this package, it seems simple and not so much dependency libraries. 11:35:42 -!- gko [n=gko@114-137-97-28.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:36:12 fnordus [n=dnall@70.70.0.215] has joined #lisp 11:36:15 nvntung: that is why i generally do interop. stuff myself: it gets easier in the long run. but why not just install anaphora? 11:36:54 nvntung: (asdf-install:install :anaphora) is a no go, eh? 11:37:19 -!- xan-afk_ is now known as xan 11:37:21 -!- xan is now known as xan_ 11:37:39 ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 11:37:49 -!- xan_ is now known as xan 11:38:15 -!- logBot2972 [n=logBot@59.92.185.35] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:38:45 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 11:48:55 simplechat [n=simple@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 11:49:42 coliv [n=Coliveir@c-69-248-128-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:49:47 _3b: In cl-ftgl, the author uses cl-opengl, cl-glut. We can use cl-glfw, cl-glfw-opengl instead of them. 11:53:13 -!- lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:00:43 lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 12:03:23 Yuuhi [n=user@p5483D43E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:03:32 Buganini_ [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 12:12:28 -!- anon_ [n=anon@86.88.59.170] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:13:15 tczy [n=tczy@78.60.160.152] has joined #lisp 12:13:30 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 12:14:28 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 12:21:44 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-148-11-244.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:58 -!- ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:22:15 picture this: a C/C++ programmer who includes headers in the /makefile/ as foo.o: foo.h, boo.h for each and every object, repeating the same includes while at it. now multiply that with infinity and you get a glipse of the moronic excuse of a brain whose work i have to deal with. :( 12:23:44 -!- lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:24:51 hypno: throw it away and introduce a "make depend" step 12:25:31 lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 12:25:32 lacedaemon [i=lacedaem@151.81.143.239] has joined #lisp 12:25:41 blitz_ [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 12:25:48 -!- blitz_ [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:25:54 blitz_ [n=blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 12:25:55 Hello 12:26:54 dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:27:40 antifuchs: hmm, i'll look into that, thanks. 12:28:09 hypno: it's the only way to retain your sanity (: 12:29:17 Is there a function to convert utf-8 strings to all lowercase? 12:30:35 (string-downcase "État") 12:30:37 "état" 12:30:43 works for me 12:30:54 -!- Bootvis [i=bob@baltar.lan.endoria.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:31:13 lat__: what is a UTF-8 string to you? 12:31:50 -!- asksol [n=ask@pat-tdc.opera.com] has quit [] 12:32:07 Xach, like galdor's example. 12:32:39 lat__: that is a Lisp string 12:33:36 benbos67 [n=ben@CPE-124-177-91-65.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:33:39 Xach: mhh.. my locale is UTF-8, so the lisp input receives a UTF-8 encoded character stream 12:33:57 imho, lisp converts it to a lisp string 12:33:58 galdor: excellent 12:34:03 apply string-downcase on it 12:34:18 then spit to stdout using my locale, ie. UTF-8 12:35:30 My local is set to UTF-8 also, in emacs 23 that is. 12:35:40 Character encodings makes Juffo-wup fill in my fibers 12:36:52 and then there are string encodings 12:37:42 -!- Reav___ [n=Reaver@212.88.117.162] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:38:24 -!- ltriant [n=ltriant@202.136.38.162] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/"] 12:38:53 does anybody experience this problem in stumpwm, where the cursor vanishes in some graphical apps? 12:39:21 algidus [i=lacedaem@151.82.1.213] has joined #lisp 12:39:37 graphical apps? 12:39:39 this has happened to me so far in gitk, wicd-client, and civclient (the freeciv game client). 12:41:33 Ajgm [i=lacedaem@151.80.212.61] has joined #lisp 12:41:48 g'day programmers 12:42:09 good d' 12:42:29 (: 12:42:31 these are all Tk apps, by the way. 12:45:00 -!- algidus [i=lacedaem@151.82.1.213] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:46:51 Adlai: and it does not happen on other WMs? 12:47:17 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:44 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.161.47.184] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:47:47 jdz: haven't tried other WMs on this boot. 12:48:03 To use cl-ftgl, require 'cl-ftgl, but I meet an error that is to "There is no class named CL-FTGL::PATHNAME-STRING-TYPE.". Have anybody ever used cl-ftgl? 12:48:05 Did I just see a Star Control reference go by? *Blinks* 12:48:06 Adlai: you possibly should; it could well just be a problem with your tk 12:48:29 any recommendation of what would be the lightest WM I could test quickly? 12:48:41 (openbox? xmonad? xfce?) 12:49:26 xmonad is really light 12:49:33 and practical 12:49:47 xfce is really heavier than the two others 12:50:27 galdor: you sure? i think it's possible to use only the WM of xfce environment... 12:50:42 like, the xfwm 12:50:57 Adlai: ratpoison :) 12:51:02 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:51:18 you said xfce, I assumed the xfce run by xfce4-session 12:51:22 schme: thanks, but I'm looking for a "normal" wm to test Tk out... 12:51:27 oh. 12:51:35 twm 12:51:46 is "twm" a window manager? 12:51:50 Yup. 12:51:50 I have no problem with gitk and xmonad or dwm 12:52:44 Adlai: twm is the standard wm for X. strangely some linux distros do not install it by default though. 12:52:50 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:52:50 (: 12:53:55 schme: I guess that's thank to the new "modular" X 12:54:17 *p_l* uses twm quite often during academic year 12:54:34 p_l: I thought it was thanks to linux distro makers being dumb (: 12:55:56 well, twm is on my system, just didn't know about it. 12:56:26 -!- jan247 [n=jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:56:35 \o/ 12:56:43 *Adlai* closes stumpwm, brb. 12:56:45 Adlai: once you go twm you will never look back. 12:57:11 lol 12:57:25 merus [n=merus@pal-175-116.itap.purdue.edu] has joined #lisp 12:57:49 *csmerlin* has never looked back. I've just never run TWM ever again ;) 12:58:26 -!- leadnose_ [i=leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:59:24 -!- fnordus [n=dnall@70.70.0.215] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:00:21 Oh god what have I done. 13:00:28 how do I run any programs in twm? 13:00:40 you have terms 13:00:43 console :) 13:00:44 (right now I'm in a virtual console, using 'emacsclient -t'> 13:00:52 where do I find these terms? how do I start one? 13:01:05 Adlai: there's a popup menu, with one of the mouse button... 13:01:30 *Adlai* groans 13:02:02 you learn to love it. At least it doesn't take a fuckton of resources 13:02:07 well, it works. thanks. 13:02:34 -!- lacedaemon [i=lacedaem@151.81.143.239] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:03:15 jleija [n=jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:41 ok, the problem is with StumpWM, I think. the Tk programs show a cursor under TWM 13:05:59 *Adlai* is back in StumpWM now. whew. 13:06:00 Adlai: That's a classic reaction to TWM. "OH GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE!" 13:06:03 :D 13:06:33 I guess I'm a classic man. 13:06:58 anyways, this is definitely a stumpwm problem. 13:07:57 ): 13:08:18 well, maybe not definitely, but at least a problem that doesn't occur in TWM 13:08:27 that's not enough of a reason to ever use twm again, though :) 13:08:57 -!- Athas [n=athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:11:45 -!- coliv [n=Coliveir@c-69-248-128-195.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:11:47 Adlai: If it's only one specific app and you don't use it totally often.. then you could maybe run it using Xnest or somesuch. 13:12:33 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-184-206-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:12:48 Morning. 13:12:50 How do we use (save-png file)? How do we declare parameter file? 13:13:14 nvntung: isn't it just the file name? 13:13:17 gigamonkey: Good afternoon! 13:13:19 (Assuming you're talking about Vecto.) 13:13:30 gigamonkey: That's right! 13:15:01 Tordek_ [n=tordek@host237.190-227-37.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 13:15:06 -!- Tordek [n=tordek@4-3-17-190.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:16:14 coliv [n=Coliveir@12.15.114.194] has joined #lisp 13:17:39 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 13:19:09 gigamonkey: In the example.lisp of vecto package, I change the (set-font (get-font "/home/elvis/arial.ttf")) and reload. But repl notices that it cant find file at "/tmp/arial.ttf". 13:20:23 Wait, did you change it to "/tmp/arial.ttf" or to "/home/elvis/arial.ttf" ? 13:21:51 gigamonkey: I have just my mistake. 13:22:07 gigamonkey: nice chart 13:22:14 gigamonkey: i put the wrong path. 13:23:39 Xach: thanks. #194 overnight! 13:27:04 -!- authentic [n=authenti@85-127-20-116.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:28:14 gigamonkey: I am working with cl-ftgl. When I use (require 'cl-ftgl), there is an error at REPL "There is no class named CL-FTGL::PATHNAME-STRING-TYPE". Have you ever seen it? 13:28:39 -!- housel [n=user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:28:45 gigamonkey: I want to draw a simple text in OpenGL. 13:29:26 try cl-opengl 13:31:02 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@206.80.252.37] has joined #lisp 13:31:34 nvntung: i got just got another interresting suggestion: Clutter. 13:31:39 gigamonkey: i see you got the final cover image, too 13:32:12 *Xach* wonders if amazon will get it 13:32:17 My condition is: to use cl-glfw library. 13:33:15 cl-opengl vs. cl-gflw: cant load together. 13:33:35 sbcl-1.0.25.debian and now sbcl-1.0.31.0.debian drops into the debugger with a division-by-zero error on an ffi call but the same code works on clisp and ccl on linux and sbcl(!) and ccl on windows 13:33:47 time to head for the sbcl mailinglist methinks 13:34:19 Xach: I don't really understand whether it's up to Amazon or Apress to get that right. 13:34:46 gigamonkey: when you get all your signatures, you can upload your "customer product image" for everyone to drool over 13:34:47 nvntung: sorry, I'm just a simple Vecto user. 13:35:04 hypno: What do you mean? clutter uses on Mobile and embeded system. 13:35:20 aerique: Change the float trap mask around C calls. 13:35:25 Xach: Probably. I've got to work out where to get 16 custom bookplates made for not too much $$$. 13:35:47 gigamonkey: How about cl-ftgl? Do you know it? 13:35:59 nvntung: nope. 13:36:01 schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 13:36:06 -!- benbos67 [n=ben@CPE-124-177-91-65.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 13:36:12 -!- schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has left #lisp 13:37:14 pkhuong: i'll go rtfm on that, thanks 13:37:46 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:02 -!- ASau [n=user@host218-230-msk.microtest.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:41:18 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:41:36 gigamonkey: What does "gensym" mean in vecto? 13:42:10 clhs: gensym 13:42:10 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_gensym.htm 13:42:45 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [] 13:43:05 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:00 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:48:26 -!- htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.227.231] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:50:09 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:07 pkhuong: awesome, that worked! i would never have figured that out myself 13:51:51 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 13:54:22 jao [n=jao@214.Red-88-6-174.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:09 nvntung: eh? no. clutter provides more of a complete api for all sorts of things. 13:57:56 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@79.45.46.59] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:58:10 metawilm [n=willem@kabel-9-126.kabel.netvisit.nl] has joined #lisp 14:01:43 ASau [n=user@host218-230-msk.microtest.ru] has joined #lisp 14:02:22 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-179.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:02:46 c|mell [n=cmell@p14220-ipngn1701marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:03:58 minion: memo for nikodemus: COPYFILE_DISABLE=true can be used to avoid resource fork files on OS X's tar. 14:03:58 Remembered. I'll tell nikodemus when he/she/it next speaks. 14:04:52 pkhuong: and snow leopard uses resource forks for transparent file compression and stuff 14:05:01 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 14:05:10 dv_ [n=dv@83-64-248-68.inzersdorf.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 14:05:19 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:05:43 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:07:42 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@host59-46-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:08:18 OSX still has resource forks? *boggle* 14:08:27 dlowe: indeed. 14:08:44 It would be better to use file package aka directories... 14:08:51 *dlowe* dropped out of mac development a year at OS 8.1 14:09:00 levy [n=levy@157.21ec54.adslonline.hu] has joined #lisp 14:09:11 fnordus [n=dnall@70.70.0.215] has joined #lisp 14:09:17 hey, this is from java through firefox 14:09:19 matimago: you know you can cd into resource fork, right? 14:09:27 I never used irc like this 14:09:46 anyone thoughts on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Turing_Complete_Argument 14:09:56 feel free to edit 14:10:06 jdz: I used a tool that let us do that yes. Is it possible in vanilla shell with HFS? 14:10:55 isn't that the turing tarpit? 14:11:11 levy: yes, you should link to the Turing tarpit... 14:11:38 still no-one willing to talk to me about fd-streams :-( truly I work in the most isolate of isolations 14:11:40 levy: "expressivity" is the term used to measure how feasible it is to do things in various languages. There's a lot of research in the area, and a few different (and, of course, conflicting) ways to measure it. 14:12:11 asksol [n=ask@pat-tdc.opera.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:20 Turing Machines are about the worst of a machine to program. Same level as Brainfuck (and still, I'm not sure Brainfuck is not more expressive than TM). 14:12:28 "Beware of the Turing tar-pit in which everything is possible but nothing of interest is easy." --Alan Perllis 14:12:40 s/Perllis/Perlis/ 14:12:50 matimago: not to mention the abrasive I/O :D 14:13:02 levy, there's also http://webchat.freenode.net/ .. no java needed 14:13:38 lnostdal-webchat [i=5a95756f@gateway/web/freenode/x-ouacwqkgyzidqasl] has joined #lisp 14:13:54 matimago: I'm pretty sure i have done 'cd some-file.rsrc' 14:14:01 matimago: or somesuch 14:14:07 Moe111 [n=Moe111@modemcable067.226-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 14:14:08 matimago: but doesn't seem to work now 14:14:27 is it possible to hold a reference to a CLOS object that will not count in the GC referencing? 14:14:51 I know this is not really possible in a safe manner in other languages, but I'm wondering if it is in Lisp 14:14:53 Moe111: not in a standard way, but many implementations support it. 14:14:59 Moe111: A weak reference? implementation-specific. 14:15:23 so how do I know if the object has not been trashed? (ie. when I dereference it)? 14:15:50 Moe111: SBCL supports weak hash-tables (check the :weakness keyarg. option) .. and weak pointers .. both are mentioned in the sbcl manual 14:15:55 jdz: perhaps it was with MPW? 14:15:58 Then the weak reference will not have snapped. 14:16:15 matimago: don' t know whats MPW (only using macs since OSX) 14:16:24 matimago: Tiger specifically 14:16:28 jdz: it was a shell/ide from before. 14:16:33 thanks. checking weak pointers on sbcl 14:16:40 MPW = Macintosh Programmer's Workshop 14:16:55 Moe111: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Garbage-Collection.html 14:16:58 jdz: otherwise it might have been a smart application that used file packages for its own resources. 14:17:11 lnostdal-webchat: thanks. 14:17:39 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:39 Xof: so did my chart win "worst chart of the week"? 14:18:06 -!- lnostdal-webchat [i=5a95756f@gateway/web/freenode/x-ouacwqkgyzidqasl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:18:21 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:18:40 oh, it's some-file/rsrc 14:18:51 carlocci [n=nes@93.37.220.176] has joined #lisp 14:18:55 and I cannot cd into it, but it is possible to see (cat) it 14:18:59 alright. Another question: is there a way to declare a CLOS slot as being a weak reference? so that the accessor does the right actions? or do I just create the appropriate methods for the accessor? 14:19:27 Moe111, you could use MOP for that .. slot-value-using-class 14:19:43 $ lh The\ Frozen\ Throne{,/rsrc} 14:19:43 -rw-r--r--@ 1 jdz admin 22K 7 Aug 13:00 The Frozen Throne 14:19:43 -rw-r--r-- 1 jdz admin 68K 7 Aug 13:00 The Frozen Throne/rsrc 14:19:48 lnostdal: thanks again. 14:19:54 ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 14:20:07 -!- redblue [i=star@ppp049.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [Success] 14:20:23 -!- iwaki1 [n=hide@PPPa470.osaka.acca.dti.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:21:40 -!- metawilm [n=willem@kabel-9-126.kabel.netvisit.nl] has quit [] 14:22:06 Xof, is there a string to return the width of a utf-8 string? 14:22:52 gigamonkey: no, you're safe 14:22:58 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:00 lat__: what do you mean, the "width"? 14:23:23 or possibly, "the width"? 14:23:44 also, there is no such thing as a utf-8 string 14:24:02 that bit of wisdom didn't quite make it through last time. 14:24:57 -!- quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 14:26:54 Xof, correction: is there a function to return the width of a string composed of utf-8 characters? Width like inches, or millimeters. gentium font. 14:27:07 *Xach* holds head in hands 14:27:17 lat__: there is no such thing as "utf-8 characters". 14:27:30 -!- DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@pool-141-157-64-49.balt.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:28:22 lat__: zpb-ttf can be used to as questions about individual glyphs in a truetype font file. it can also answer some simple questions about sequences of those characters. 14:28:40 "used to answer questions", that is 14:29:02 -!- ln51 [n=ln5@nordutug-gw.nordu.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:29:03 zpb-ttf is good. you just need a font that has the characters you need 14:30:03 zpb-ttf does not know much about scaling the glyphs from the reference coordinate sizes to some display size (like "8 points") 14:30:20 that is not too hard to do, though. it requires some Mathematics 14:30:30 Should I have said utf-8 encoded string? 14:30:55 lat__: once it's encoded, it is a sequence of bytes. 14:30:56 nope. a string and a character has no width. 14:31:21 (oh, you mentioned the font) 14:32:38 -!- KingNato [n=patno@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [] 14:34:08 jsnell, I think I'm going to make the walker/highlighter/formatter to work with passing down source object trees instead of lisp forms to macros which support it 14:34:26 Xach: and presumably if you really wanted to know the width of some typeset text you'd need to know more than just the widths of the glyphs. 14:34:26 I was thinking a lot but could not come up with a better idea 14:34:39 E.g. kerning could affect it. 14:35:19 gigamonkey: zpb-ttf does take that into account, optionally 14:35:28 supporting macros are either defined in this way (i.e. they must unbox the arguments at certain places) or almost accidentally work (by not looking at the arguments) 14:36:05 Xach: cool. 14:36:22 macros which don't fall into these categories will get the lisp forms and I can only pray that they keep as much identity of cons cells as possible 14:36:23 I guess that's part of the TrueType font definition. 14:36:46 jsnell, I guess the same goes with SBCL trying to tell which form is being executed when an error is raised 14:37:04 gigamonkey: yeah. some fonts have embarrassing omissions from the kerning tables though. 14:37:09 But ultimately the exact width of a bit of typeset text is going to be determined by the typesetting software, right. 14:37:25 extra: cltl3 supporters: find a portable solution for that, maybe a simple check and unbox function would be sufficient 14:37:29 gigamonkey: Times New Roman kerns AVA and ÁVÁ differently (no kerning at all on the latter, in fact) 14:37:30 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:37:33 so that one can write macros like that 14:37:39 -!- dwh [n=dwh@ppp118-208-171-218.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:37:43 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:37:46 this is really missing from CL 14:37:55 Obviously, I didn't use the proper terms. Do you guys know what I meant? The font is proportional spaced, so I can't just count the letters of a word to find out how much space it will take up. Is the a function for this? 14:37:55 I want to see all functions/symbols exported of a package. 14:38:00 -!- alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has left #lisp 14:38:19 lat__: you can use zpb-ttf to answer questions like that. 14:39:04 nvntung: do-external-symbols might help 14:39:50 Xach: do this from REPL? 14:40:04 HET3 [n=diman@131.251.176.98] has joined #lisp 14:40:06 nvntung: see the documentation for do-external-symbols for usage guidance 14:40:27 http://l1sp.org/cl/do-external-symbols 14:41:00 lat__: there is no built-in standard function for it in CL 14:41:14 Xach: I think I asked this before, but the basic unit in Vecto is pixels, right? 14:41:19 gigamonkey: yeah 14:41:21 ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 14:41:42 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [] 14:42:11 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 14:42:24 Xach, you are the author of zpb-ttf? 14:42:31 lat__: that's me 14:42:43 *luis* looks at libcl.com 14:43:48 luis: interesting 14:44:56 oh, yes. 14:45:53 I think it'd be nicer if it had the hackability of clbuild. 14:48:14 I want clbuild with clean branches, yeah, that's it. 14:48:19 Xof: I'm willing to talk abovt fd-streams(when I get home). this N95 is unweildy for IRCing 14:48:28 Someone do that, plz. 14:48:31 Xach, ok. Thanks! I've downloaded ozpb-ttf. I'll study the docs and be back. 14:48:38 -!- HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:49:07 -!- levy [n=levy@157.21ec54.adslonline.hu] has quit ["Java user signed off"] 14:49:19 lat__: what will you do with the width knowledge you get? 14:49:51 -!- ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:52:01 -!- ASau [n=user@host218-230-msk.microtest.ru] has quit ["off"] 14:52:16 Xach, software to create interlinear texts; for example, Greek with English. 14:53:12 *Xof* wonders who Ajgm is 14:53:16 lat__: that is a little high level. what will you do with the number you get from asking "how wide is this string in 14-point gentium?" 14:53:25 Xof: fe[ln]ix 14:53:32 stelian ionescu? 14:53:47 aha 14:53:49 In cl-glfw, gl:bind-texture, gl:gen-textures doesnt support. 14:53:50 Xach, the English words must line up directly under the Greek words. 14:54:26 lat__: how will you draw the words? 14:55:17 (gl:bind-texture gl:+texture-2d+ "Test test") 14:55:28 quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:16 This line doesnt recognize by RELP 14:56:38 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:48 lacedaemon [i=lacedaem@151.81.139.2] has joined #lisp 14:57:06 matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has joined #lisp 14:58:20 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:31 Xach, I've written this software in other languages, but using fixed-width fonts. But I know very little about unicode. I don't know how I will draw the words yet. I'm not sure I even understand what you mean. 14:59:35 rares [n=rares@VDSL-130-13-160-11.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has joined #lisp 15:00:51 is there a way to do Name based virtual hosting on hunchentoot? 15:01:07 lat__: sometimes if you are using a system that supports drawing strings on some medium (like the screen, or a piece of paper), it also supports asking "what will be the dimensions of this string when it is output?" 15:01:17 rares: yes 15:01:21 how? 15:01:25 -!- Moe111 [n=Moe111@modemcable067.226-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 15:01:48 everywhere i read it says you need to use a separate port for each domain 15:02:36 rares: you can do anything you want in the dispatch table, include make decisions based on the Host header 15:02:43 rares: that's what i use. 15:02:53 beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-23-136.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:02:56 instead of ports? 15:03:02 Good afternoon everyone! 15:03:09 Xach, what do you mean by "system"? 15:03:09 rares: yes. 15:03:21 sweet i'll check that out 15:03:29 rares: I have some trivial stuff that makes what I think you're trying to do easier for me in hunchentoot-vhost 15:03:32 lat__: a collection of things for a particular purpose. 15:03:35 hello beach 15:03:52 hunchentoot vhost? 15:03:57 Hi beach. 15:04:17 slyrus_, is that hosted somewhere i can look at? 15:04:45 rares: http://cyrusharmon.org/projects?project=hunchentoot-vhost 15:07:07 -!- m4dnificent is now known as madnificent 15:08:43 Xach, I'm using ubuntu, emacs 23, LaTeX, and probably McClim. Will that support it? 15:09:26 lat__: I don't know. 15:09:40 beach: suppose I'd want to alter the way methods are executed (I want pre- and post-conditions). I'd have to define a new class to create generic methods. Which symbols should I look up? I can't seem to get started 15:10:11 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 15:10:22 -!- prg [n=prg@ns.alusht.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:10:39 rpg [n=rpg@75-146-46-193-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:42 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-132-42.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:12:39 jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-110-225-173.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:49 Xach, what system will support it? 15:14:43 lat__: anything for which you can query the metrics of a string. 15:15:40 Xach, can you give me an example? 15:16:38 Can I do it with zpb-ttf? 15:17:23 lat__: zpb-ttf will give you low-level values for the font. usually drawing text on something involves scaling the glyphs of the font to a certain size and positioning them on the output medium somewhere. 15:17:31 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:17:34 nunb` [n=user@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 15:17:44 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:17:52 -!- nunb` [n=user@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:18:19 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:19:28 -!- Draggor2 is now known as Draggor 15:20:16 tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 15:20:31 -!- matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:20:54 beach, can this be done with McClim? (Please see Zach's last post above). 15:21:30 htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.227.231] has joined #lisp 15:21:46 -!- lacedaemon [i=lacedaem@151.81.139.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:22:38 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 15:22:57 (text-size medium string) 15:23:42 this will not be the exact right answer, but it's probably close enough for you 15:24:09 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:26:07 Xof, many thanks. I'll experiment with that, and get back. 15:26:21 -!- Ajgm [i=lacedaem@151.80.212.61] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:26:38 cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has joined #lisp 15:26:46 -!- cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:27:09 Adrinael_ [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has joined #lisp 15:27:16 -!- Adrinael_ [n=adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:45 ln5 [n=ln5@h199n2c1o255.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 15:28:04 manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:17 -!- Demosthenes [n=demo@206.180.154.148.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit ["leaving"] 15:28:48 Demosthenes [n=demo@206.180.154.148.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 15:29:45 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit ["Somebody booted me"] 15:30:45 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:31:35 Xof, is text-size in a package? 15:37:20 ; undefined function: TEXT-SIZE 15:37:46 jlf` [n=user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 15:38:26 -!- jlf` is now known as jlf 15:39:01 lat__: are you familiar with the Common Lisp tools that would allow you to answer your question yourself? 15:40:12 Xof, no. 15:40:31 ok, then the first step is to learn about APROPOS. 15:40:37 I presume that you have mcclim loaded, since you asked about it 15:40:46 in which case, type (apropos "TEXT-SIZE") at the REPL 15:41:37 there's also M-x slime-apropos .. or ctrl-c-d-a 15:43:05 lispm [n=joswig@e177122103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:43:27 It's so funny.. Yesterday I wrote my first common lisp program, just as a self-made exercise, I wanted to see if I could make a program that would make a list of N random numbers between 0 and S. With N and S both positive integers. 15:44:14 -!- splittist [n=dmurray@63-55.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1"] 15:44:16 Well I did make a program that would do that, but then when I showed it someone they were like: (loop for i to N collect (random S)) 15:44:31 *luis* looks at http://common-lisp.net/project/lispy/ and sighs a little 15:44:33 Which is a lot shorter than my program. 15:44:51 emma: think of the sense of accomplishment you'd get if you used Scheme! 15:45:24 or Haskell! 15:45:28 No I want to learn Common Lisp. 15:46:09 emma: i think it's a rite of CL passage to implement standard functionality without knowing it already exists. 15:46:16 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 15:46:18 Hehe 15:46:22 yours isn't quite that, but it's similar 15:46:44 emma: not to worry, you'll get better 15:46:52 *Xach* is pleased that his new lisp-powered toy got "tweeted" by someone with 800,000 followers 15:47:04 that's pretty neat. 15:47:08 what does your toy do? 15:47:14 800000? wow 15:47:17 Xach: congrats :D 15:47:19 http://twitter.com/EWPopWatch 15:47:33 it draws a fake Super Mario Brothers castle screen. 15:47:48 super mario brothers was a game from the olden times... 15:47:55 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-ntmepxdqkeqrggow] has joined #lisp 15:47:57 sohail [n=sohail@67-208-9-121.ip.tor.radiant.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:03 luis: why so sad? 15:48:06 'Entertainment Weekly' 15:48:10 oh, I owe you an e-mail 15:48:12 Xach: still not scared that you might draw much attention with it? 15:48:37 madnificent: i don't really see why i would be scared. more attention is good. 15:48:43 Xof: trying to figure my life out! :-) 15:48:47 emma: (loop repeat n collect (random s)) ; you don't need the loop variable in this case. 15:49:04 madnificent: there is a step at which the server might crash or use up all its bandwidth or something like that. i am still very far from that point. 15:49:31 server 15-minute load average: 0.01 15:49:40 Xach: yeah, just joking about the previous time (licences)... I really like it, it's simple to use (as always with wigflip) and yields a sexy result 15:49:55 grouzen [n=grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 15:49:58 oh, right! i forgot about that. no, i'm not worried. 15:50:20 it's neat to see that lisp can be very succinct when you know what you are doing. 15:50:23 make more of these things, they are nice 15:50:26 antgreen [n=user@65.124.181.2] has joined #lisp 15:50:32 Would you like to see the source code for the program? 15:50:42 Xach to me the cool thing about your app is that it shows you can make very dynamic web applications with common lisp. 15:50:47 http://dropoff.org/omdd/tym 15:51:16 Xach, is it that you use lisp on the server as the engine for the application or does lisp also get used to organize the page, like php does? 15:51:33 emma: i use html-template for the HTML side. template variables come from lisp. 15:51:42 roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 15:52:09 so that's like using lisp the way that php is usually used? 15:52:27 emma: my impresison of php is that you mix php code in with html code on the same page 15:52:40 emma: i write functions in lisp that fill out HTML template files 15:52:40 I think so yes. 15:52:48 there is no lisp code mixed in with HTML 15:52:50 it splices the result of the code in the page 15:53:01 just placeholders for string values 15:53:02 *madnificent* generates html from his lisp code at compile-time 15:53:03 Hm, I see. I think. The page is getting 'laid out' with all its forms and such all from the server side? 15:53:11 Xof, I installed McClim on my computer using cl-build (if I remember correctly), but it doesn't work. Slime doesn't find it. Do I need something in my .emacs file? 15:53:33 -!- sepi [n=enigma@213.251.184.143] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:53:35 ok, you need to debug that yourself 15:53:41 sepi [n=enigma@hcl-club.lu] has joined #lisp 15:53:53 if you started slime using clbuild, then you should be able to require mcclim in that session. 15:54:07 emma: ssssort of. the website for html-template explains it: http://weitz.de/html-template/ 15:54:10 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:54:51 Soulman [n=kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 15:56:30 Xof, ok. Thanks. I'll see what I can do. 15:56:40 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:58:46 however, the mario thing is fun - I like it 15:58:51 emma: there are many web frameworks out there, if you're really interested in web development, you could check them out 15:59:12 Yeah I think I ultimately am. 15:59:16 lispm: thanks. as you can see, there is not much lisp code in the core. 15:59:25 (not much code, period) 15:59:38 Some people say that Lisp is a pretty good language for web applications. 15:59:50 well, the application also 'looks' relatively simple, but very effective 16:00:06 Some people say that the moon landing was faked. 16:00:18 yaroslav_h [n=yaroslav@93-120-197-236.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has joined #lisp 16:00:18 a good idea + nice design + a few parentheses = fun 16:00:22 Or at least the picture of the moon landing were! 16:00:28 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [] 16:00:29 Zhivago, how did you get to be an op in here when you are so negative about lisp all the time? 16:00:36 alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has joined #lisp 16:00:41 emma: I am not negative about lisp. 16:00:47 Zhivago: some people say the moon doesn't exist 16:01:04 Yes. I suggest not paying attention to what 'some people say'. 16:01:13 Zhivago, I always see you saying lisp is not good for things, what do you think it *is* good for? 16:01:24 programming 16:01:25 emma: Where did I say that? 16:01:46 gavino? 16:01:58 emma: perhaps he's just being a realist... lisp itself might not be ideal for anything, but you can mold it to come very close (just a guess though) 16:02:04 emma: a lot of highly critical people end up using lisp because they can't stand to use other languages. They don't stop being critical, though 16:02:15 hehe 16:02:17 can we write an ERP in lisp ? 16:02:24 dlowe: you shouldn't say that (hehe) 16:02:33 no_mind, sure, why not 16:02:33 no_mind: ERP? 16:02:55 enterprise resource planning, like SAP or others 16:02:55 no_mind: what's this 'we' you refer to? 16:02:57 this will quickly lead to a turing complete discussion... 16:03:03 ERP: it has what plants crave 16:03:16 yup lism 16:03:40 dlowe: we refers to I me myself :p 16:04:11 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["..."] 16:04:13 emma: Is (array t) a subtype of (array integer)? 16:04:15 I'd be interested in something like that for lisp... SAP deserves some competition 16:04:21 so why no one is using lisp in enterprise apps instead of brain dead Java 16:04:36 Zhivago, beats me, I have only been learning lisp for 3 days. 16:04:45 no_mind, money 16:05:01 attila_lendvai: luckily, there is more to programming languages than turing completenes (statement makes you right in your comment) 16:05:06 Zhivago, what do you think lisp is good for? 16:05:19 emma: Then why are you criticising me over things you do not understand? 16:05:19 you mean to say no money in lisp ? 16:05:35 no_mind: perhaps they can't find programmers... perhaps they explicitly teach managers *not* to innovate in IT (no joke) 16:05:35 Where did I criticize you? 16:05:42 emma: Lisp is good for not lisp. 16:05:52 no_mind, no, i mean to say java is what people throw money at already .. as-is 16:06:02 madnificent: business are not innovative, so your argument may be true 16:06:03 Zhivago, I dont know a lot about lisp, or programming. I do know a lot about communities and IRC channels. :) 16:06:07 Zhivago: you haven't been positive about much, and she noticed it, that was it :) 16:06:32 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 16:06:32 emma: And this great knowledge means that you should always be a good little propagandist? 16:06:37 Zhivago: which does not need to be bad, it simply sounds sour 16:06:46 once I finish learning lisp, I am going ot write business apps in lisp 16:07:04 "once I finish learning lisp" 16:07:05 "finish learning lisp"... hah :) 16:07:14 attila ;) 16:07:33 you never fininish learning lisp 16:07:33 ok let me rephrase, once I finish at least one book on lisp 16:07:39 no_mind: :P 16:07:42 PCL 16:08:00 no_mind: i'm writing business apps in lisp for years, but i did not finish learning lisp just yet... :) 16:08:00 lispm, im reading that book also. 16:08:21 oh wow, do your business apps sell ? 16:08:37 gnucash uses Scheme 16:09:01 no_mind: attila also has a whole bunch of libraries on his name 16:09:12 gnucash is brain dead.. it is nothing more than a cash book 16:09:13 saikat [n=saikat@98.210.13.214] has joined #lisp 16:09:22 lisp is about flexibility. you can learn the basic atoms that enable the flexibility, but you can never finish learning the consequences, the libraries, how to use the flexibility, etc... 16:09:29 we need something like Adempeire or openERP at very least 16:09:42 madnificent: well, attila & co. 16:09:48 -!- HG` [n=HG@xdsleh067.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:56 -!- antgreen [n=user@65.124.181.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:10:05 attila_lendvai: that is overhead transmission for me, I am strugling to write one decent app right now 16:10:11 attila_lendvai, that's awesome. 16:10:16 housel [n=user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 16:10:54 HG` [n=HG@xdsleh067.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:11:08 they are good enough to pay the bills, but we worked for this stinking corrupt hungarian government and this playground is different then what most of you are used to... if you don't get into the dirty games, you won't see big money. so, we are moving away from them... 16:11:20 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-75-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:11:27 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 16:11:39 Xof, Xach: moving away from chart junk. Wrote some clean code for plotting on a log scale. 16:11:45 Yay! 16:12:21 -!- mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:12:26 nice 16:12:26 I think I'll try to find a better way to show the tweets though. That's actually sort of interesting. 16:13:22 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-129-138.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:13:55 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-129-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:14:05 nha [n=prefect@17-70.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 16:14:18 where's your latest chart? 16:14:37 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/caw-sales-ranks.png 16:14:47 besiria [n=user@pantou.lib.uom.gr] has joined #lisp 16:14:49 -!- simplechat [n=simple@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:15:01 badonaway [n=KCXYCL@71-219-113-230.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:03 -!- quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 16:15:05 -!- badon [n=KCXYCL@75-169-51-194.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:15:28 nudging 200, eh? good old /. 16:15:48 Dipped under even. Hit #194 around 4am California time. 16:17:46 Heh. Nudging, smudging. Just got the latest: #178! 16:18:01 rread_ [n=rread@nat/sun/x-mrasyobqwgtlpxsn] has joined #lisp 16:18:08 gigamonkey: i find the right edge the most interesting, but it's there that the chart line is furthest from the label describing it... 16:18:28 Yeah. I could probably just throw the labels on both sides. 16:18:32 *Xach* wonders if it would work to move the labels to the right, or reverse the horizontal direction... 16:18:39 Stand by one, as my pilot friends say. 16:18:54 Reversing horizontal direction would be pretty weird. 16:19:03 Time flies like an arrow ... to the right! 16:19:32 gigamonkey: what happened yesterday? your sales skyrocketed! 16:19:33 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-129-138.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:19:45 were you twittered reddited or something? 16:19:47 Adlai: favorable slashdot book review. 16:19:53 Adlai: slashdot is a website from the olden times 16:20:12 "sales rank", technically, not sales 16:20:13 Xach: I know slashdot... 16:20:53 There you go Xach. 16:20:58 I had almost forgotten about slashdot, was surprised to see it mentioned 16:21:46 Apparently getting a good /. review it's still the biggest single driver of tech book sales. 16:22:10 -!- ignas_ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:22:12 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:26 schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:22:43 it surprises me, I have given up on slashdot - but that is then only me 16:23:20 lispm: why have you given up on it? 16:23:50 *Xach* gave up sometime before 2000 16:24:28 why? 16:24:42 too much noise, too many comments, too little structure, too much stuff I'm not interested in - kind of overwhelming 16:24:52 i heard it is supposedly much "bigger" than digg/reddit still 16:25:07 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:25:08 -!- rread_ is now known as rread 16:25:13 (..wrt. users and readers..) 16:25:25 you can configure some stuff to get the most ineresting news out of it (but not through an rss feed -_-) 16:25:58 -!- kiuma [n=kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["Bye bye ppl"] 16:26:39 authentic [n=authenti@85-127-182-9.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 16:27:35 spilman [n=spilman@90.59.64.48] has joined #lisp 16:28:02 -!- huangjs [n=user@p2162-ipbf6607marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:28:11 -!- rares [n=rares@VDSL-130-13-160-11.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:28:26 Davidbrcz [n=david@212.198.78.230] has joined #lisp 16:30:00 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:10 is it accurate to say that what a macro does, is it generates some code at compile time, so that the REPL sees that code, but it's probably much easier to write the macro? 16:30:56 emma: replace REPL with "evaluator" which could be either the REPL or the compiler. 16:31:00 Or interpreter. 16:31:07 okay 16:31:10 emma: so yes 16:31:33 and this is a powerful feature of lisp that some other popular languages don't have? 16:31:47 most languages don't have it at this level 16:31:53 I don't think there are any "popular" languages that have this feature. 16:32:05 thats excellent :) 16:32:17 some languages allow for expansions, but most don't allow for calling regular code to calculate the expansion 16:32:34 C, for instance, can have macros as a dumb expansion 16:33:07 oh i see. So other languages let you just use some kind of short hand, but what lisp is doing is let you dynamically alter what that short hand produces, depending on what gets sent to it? 16:33:19 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 16:34:02 emma: that and the fact that macros are written in the language itself rather than some other (usually less rich) language. 16:34:21 that's great 16:34:24 emma, a macro can generate a GUI and ask the user a question, then return code based on that question .. the "times" (compile-time/run-time etc.) are way blurry, in lisp 16:34:34 However there are some drawbacks to that--there are reasonable macro systems that provide a bit more structure for defining macros. 16:34:42 E.g. Scheme's and, I think, Dylan's. 16:34:56 PLOT 16:35:20 -!- benny [n=benny@87.122.25.251] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:36:02 I faintly begin to see the idea of a macro then and why it is better in lisp. That's excellent. 16:37:38 It's a very powerful system. As powerful as possible, really. 16:37:44 *Xach* hopes http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/9gzsi/ gets votes 16:37:58 macros are one of the important building blocks for creating DSLs or for molding to language to your needs 16:38:15 gko [n=gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:24 http://selectricity.org/quickvote/sevenlanguages/ 16:38:44 common lisp in that book ? not sure if that is a good idea 16:40:27 Xach: done. 16:40:51 emma: I think a great example of macros is chapter 9 of gigamonkey's book. 16:41:15 lispm: not unless Bruce Tate has learned a lot more about it since he wrote about CL on IBM Developer Works. 16:41:32 oh, that was him, right 16:41:33 Adlai, okay im on chapter 3. 16:42:06 darn, looks like he's writing one of the books I was thinking about doing. 16:42:08 'the beauty of Lisp', Bruce Tate 16:42:35 the seven language book? 16:42:49 Hmm, it's actually called "Seven Languages in Seven Weeks". 16:42:56 I was thinking of a slightly more leisurely pace. ;-) 16:43:13 how about 'seven languages in Lisp' 16:43:52 emma: that chapter is actually very accessible. I suggest you look at it, briefly, to get an idea of a use case for macros. 16:43:53 lispm: I'm trying to avoid being typecast. ;-) 16:44:43 -!- ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@75-138-213-210.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:45:01 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:45:07 gigamonkey: don't worry, we over here will always typecast you. :P 16:46:56 you've already left javamonkey behind 16:47:39 Yes but I contain multitudes, er billions of monkeys. 16:47:55 ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:47:58 Xach, nice stuff .... lisp generated? 16:48:28 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@212.198.78.230] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:48:38 benny [n=benny@i577A19FB.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:48:38 who is bruce tate? 16:48:56 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-cb02067.html 16:49:06 *araujo* generates new thank you mario images 16:49:09 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@91.194.72.7] has joined #lisp 16:49:14 I think he also wrote O'Reilly's Beyond Java or some such. 16:49:18 a book author, wanting to write a book about seven programming languages 16:49:22 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 16:49:34 now for some Java books and recently Ruby stuff 16:49:35 -!- gko [n=gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:49:43 'Bitter Java' 16:50:03 http://blog.rapidred.com/ 16:50:42 what the hell? that selectricity poll just messed up my ranking after I clicked vote 16:51:07 I had CL, Erlang, and Forth at the top, and now it's OCaml, Clojure, and Erlang. WHAT? 16:51:27 I blame my browser. 16:51:32 For a moment I was worried: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/03/siebel_elephant_attack/ 16:52:32 gigamonkey: you been romping with them phants lately? 16:52:47 I'm "ei" not "ie". So I'm safe. 16:53:12 What is it they always said? 16:53:22 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-76-195-2-12.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:53:30 `i' before `e' except after `s', right? :) 16:53:59 ;-) 16:55:13 *araujo* thought that article was about the McCarthy Elephant thing .... :P 16:55:23 *araujo* feels outside 'reality' sometimes 16:55:54 Seibel attack's McCarthy Elephant 16:56:08 attacks 16:56:16 what I thought :P 16:57:03 Adlai: I always found that rule highly misleading 16:57:49 rsynnott_: we have a living, coding, tree-swinging counterexample! 16:57:52 All of those rules based on letters are. 16:58:20 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:02 ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@75-138-213-210.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:01:25 dialtone [n=dialtone@99.136.101.166] has joined #lisp 17:01:42 question. 17:01:47 what ever happened to SPELs? 17:03:14 -!- besiria [n=user@pantou.lib.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05:23 the book? "Coming March 2010" it says .. http://nostarch.com/lisp.htm 17:06:25 stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:06:37 so it is late? I thought it was annouced to be published this year 17:07:15 I thought it was supposed to arrive in December. :/ 17:07:15 seven programing languages in seven days would be more intense. 17:07:24 hello 17:09:55 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 17:15:19 yaroslav_h_ [n=yaroslav@93-120-161-5.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has joined #lisp 17:17:44 araujo: yes. did you see the code? 17:20:18 -!- schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:20:27 -!- silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has quit [] 17:20:32 -!- knobo [n=user@193.217.20.38] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:21:04 -!- merus [n=merus@pal-175-116.itap.purdue.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:21:20 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-110-225-173.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:22:43 -!- nvntung [n=user@147.210.246.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:22:46 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25:06 -!- matimago [n=user@cac94-13-78-227-100-250.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:25:13 -!- yaroslav_h [n=yaroslav@93-120-197-236.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:25:18 -!- yaroslav_h_ is now known as yaroslav_h 17:26:58 -!- wedgeV [n=wedge@cm56-176-196.liwest.at] has quit [] 17:29:18 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:48 -!- yaroslav_h [n=yaroslav@93-120-161-5.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 17:34:16 mxb [n=mxb@unaffiliated/mxb] has joined #lisp 17:34:17 -!- badonaway is now known as badon 17:34:32 younder [n=jthing@84.202.13.251] has joined #lisp 17:34:54 hi all 17:35:20 yaroslav_h [n=yaroslav@93-120-161-5.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has joined #lisp 17:36:03 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:36:19 antgreen [n=user@65.124.181.2] has joined #lisp 17:36:48 the regexp verion of iso-8601 was interesting, but I did write a version using only search and position 17:36:55 version 17:37:40 interested? 17:38:54 whatever.. 17:39:11 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-4-109.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit ["..."] 17:41:50 -!- mxb [n=mxb@unaffiliated/mxb] has quit ["DSOrganize IRC"] 17:45:10 Hey younder, does it parse the full grammar? 17:46:00 jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-110-225-173.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:04 -!- thom_ [n=thom@pool-173-51-164-80.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:54:12 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@68.100.82.124] has joined #lisp 17:54:57 -!- stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:55:10 Davidbrcz [n=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 17:57:49 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:59:51 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:00:21 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:23 -!- ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@75-138-213-210.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:00:37 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.118.9] has joined #lisp 18:00:50 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 18:01:24 gigamonkey: the lot 18:02:03 Have you published it somewhere? 18:02:11 not yet 18:03:06 tymmym [n=user@93-80-84-166.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 18:04:39 Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74] has joined #lisp 18:07:24 schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 18:08:03 tagac [n=user@119.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:08:07 -!- schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has left #lisp 18:09:32 thom_ [n=thom@pool-173-51-164-80.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:40 Anyone here read Russian? 18:12:00 -!- yaroslav_h [n=yaroslav@93-120-161-5.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:12:15 yes 18:12:45 Care to translate:    ?    ? 18:13:02 *gigamonkey* made the mistake of responding to a Russian tweet using his own limited russion. 18:13:06 Russian, even. 18:13:44 Google translation seems to have done a reasonable job on it, actually. 18:14:40 myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 18:16:55 OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@122-57-9-204.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 18:17:14 *yawn*, *stretch* 18:17:28 drewc: did you ever hear back from that dude? 18:17:42 Xach: yeah, we're transfering the domain to me 18:17:45 cool 18:18:28 seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:19:13 does common lisp have any way to declare variables? 18:19:40 yeah, you can add and/or control both run-time and compile-time type checking, OmniMancer 18:19:40 OmniMancer: many. 18:19:48 OmniMancer: What effect do you want to achieve by declaration? 18:20:37 nothing equivalent to scheme define? 18:20:49 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:50 OmniMancer: defvar, defparameter 18:21:00 oh 18:21:24 defvar makes dynamic scope variables? 18:21:29 Yes. 18:21:32 yes 18:21:44 what does defparameter do? 18:21:56 What it is specified to do. 18:21:58 -!- tymmym [n=user@93-80-84-166.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:22:00 also dynamic scome 18:22:10 scope 18:22:10 http://l1sp.org/cl/defparameter 18:22:29 both PCL and the hyperspec talks about the differences wrt. defparameter vs. defvar 18:23:06 The incredibly short version is you probably want defparameter. 18:23:11 only lexical variables have lexical scope 18:23:20 but no way to declare a lexically scoped variable? 18:23:25 LET is also for variables 18:23:33 aka let.. 18:23:38 younder: Bullshit. Lot of stuff in Common Lisp has lexical scope. 18:23:49 ? 18:24:15 younder: for instance functions defined with FLET and LABELS, I think was tcr's point. 18:24:17 OmniMancer, let .. a bunch of things do it "behind the scenes" really .. lambda, defun etc. 18:24:27 tcr: what on earth are you taling about 18:24:58 gigamonkey: yes let, flet and labets are lexical 18:25:08 labels 18:25:13 setq on them when they aren't defined still works though right? 18:25:33 |Trickster| [i=Trickste@77.232.135.67] has joined #lisp 18:25:54 OmniMancer: only by accident 18:25:59 No, not portably. SETQ assigns to a variable, it does, however, not define one. 18:26:03 -!- antgreen [n=user@65.124.181.2] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:26:08 ah 18:26:09 setq is complicated 18:26:27 buth dynamic and lexical 18:26:35 so you are supposed to define everything? 18:26:53 yes 18:26:56 OmniMancer: You can only meaningfully assign to a variable that you have defined a binding for, yes 18:27:20 not sure what you're saying, but this is fine: (let (x) (setf x 42)) no need to declare anything using defparameter or defvar there 18:27:45 out of interest where does using setq on undefined variables fail? 18:28:01 It fails to be defined by the language. 18:28:11 let declares it 18:28:11 Probably nowhere; some implementation signal a warning, though 18:28:17 It may work the way you expect depending on your expectations and the implementation you happen to be using. 18:28:20 like sbcl 18:28:25 I recomend doing things lexical unless there is a good reason to do things otherwise 18:28:36 indeed 18:28:54 perhaps you already know, but just totally forget about SETQ .. use SETF all the time 18:29:06 the problem is not that it fails, usually, but the problem is that the variable might be behave in funny ways 18:29:14 ah 18:29:16 like? 18:29:26 cmucl declares the variable special 18:29:29 angerman [n=angerman@host41.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 18:29:56 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:30:07 OmniMancer: It's time now to get a good about Lisp, and delve into that. I can recommend Practical Common Lisp which is available online. 18:30:13 +book 18:30:14 as in (declare special..) 18:30:27 or defvar or defparameter? 18:30:40 younder: the latter, I think. 18:31:07 right 18:31:34 and an unfortunate problem is that it is not possible to unspecial a variable 18:31:53 (setq x 3) and now x is declared to be special 18:31:55 then 18:32:02 (defun foo (x) ...) 18:32:09 the x is also special 18:32:24 (let ((x ...)) ...) 18:32:30 the x is also special 18:32:44 so it remains special? 18:32:47 that's CMUCL 18:32:57 SBCL too? 18:33:03 -!- thom_ [n=thom@pool-173-51-164-80.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:33:04 yes 18:33:15 I don't know 18:33:34 out of interest what happens if you unintern x? 18:33:44 after the setq 18:34:17 OmniMancer: The symbol object will still exist in memory, just not accessible through any package 18:34:53 and doing (let ((x ...)) ...) would yield non-special x? 18:35:05 right 18:35:34 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:35:36 Thatwould be lexical 18:35:38 If you evaluate that again, that X will be different. but for anything evaluated before, what was "X" there will still refer to that now uninterned symbol object 18:36:54 lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:37:13 ignas_ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 18:40:10 is thread supported by default on x86_64 Linux? 18:40:37 no 18:40:45 what impl? 18:41:30 -!- rpg [n=rpg@75-146-46-193-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 18:42:32 schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 18:42:41 User_ [n=User@user-d2c6c9b5d1.student.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 18:42:43 -!- schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has left #lisp 18:43:09 Coliveira [n=Coliveir@173.12.30.65] has joined #lisp 18:45:35 Xof: herep 18:46:30 ejs [n=eugen@98-19-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:32 sbcl 18:46:36 Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has joined #lisp 18:46:38 sorry for missing that bit 18:46:57 leo2007: You still have to explicitly configure for it 18:47:12 Or are you talking of the binaries on sbcl.org? 18:47:19 i see. so only under x86 is thread enabled by default, right? 18:47:34 tcr: I want to compile my own 18:47:44 Not that I know of. If so, I totally missed that. 18:48:32 thread is always disabled? 18:49:05 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.118.9] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 18:49:13 -!- HET3 [n=diman@131.251.176.98] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:49:41 see base-target-features.lisp-expr in the root of the sbcl source code 18:50:02 :sb-thread is commented out there 18:50:16 manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:21 It is confusing 18:50:24 lnostdal: have you read the README? 18:50:34 gigamonkey: 18:50:35 there are instructions to do it otherwise 18:50:46 guaqua, i'm well aware of this ... 18:51:08 -!- User_ [n=User@user-d2c6c9b5d1.student.iastate.edu] has left #lisp 18:51:10 guaqua, i think leo2007 is asking about what "the defaults are" .. 18:51:17 lnostdal: gotcha 18:52:04 (the INSTALL file is the one which explains how to enable support btw.) 18:52:27 why is it disabled by default? Isn't it an important feature? 18:52:56 good question? 18:55:05 if the repl buffer *slime-repl sbcl* is accidentally killed, but the process is still alive, how to recreate the repl buffer reusing the old process? 18:55:07 it does not work 100% 'correct'? 18:55:12 perhaps the developers are not completely confident that it is safe to enable it in general yet .. on mac or ppc or something it is not stable yet 18:55:16 lawful_evil [n=g@w005.z209031033.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:06 not when I last compiled it. 18:56:30 I think enabling it will give it more tests and make it better. 18:56:51 for something called embeddable common lisp, it isn't particularly embeddable... 18:57:17 ECL was always a bit unstable 18:57:53 also the documentation is non-existent last I looked 18:58:04 try SBCL 18:58:08 -!- Tordek_ [n=tordek@host237.190-227-37.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Client Quit] 18:58:21 Tordek [n=tordek@host237.190-227-37.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:58:30 not true 18:58:31 ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@75-138-213-210.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:58:32 ?- embeddable(sbcl). => no 18:58:39 no 18:58:44 ? 18:59:13 ECL is the one made to interface to C 18:59:40 yes 18:59:48 slime-repl does the trick. Nice!! 19:00:02 some recent experiment with ECL by someone: http://createuniverses.blogspot.com/2009/09/qtimagine-skeleton-project-for-live.html 19:00:56 I would just prefer to not have to understand the entire internal workings of the implementation to embed it 19:01:06 OmniMancer, what's the scenario? .. if you embed C in Lisp things are much easier and you can use SBCL or whatever .. that's how things are commonly done elsewhere also; python (pygtk+) loads ("embeds") the gtk+ libraries .. same with opengl etc. 19:01:28 -!- ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has left #lisp 19:01:35 what if you want to use lisp in something else? 19:02:31 i don't see any insides or outsides tbh. 19:02:39 -!- tczy [n=tczy@78.60.160.152] has left #lisp 19:02:45 hmm? 19:03:20 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:04:03 some CL implementations can create shared libraries, that you can 'embed' 19:04:11 -!- coliv [n=Coliveir@12.15.114.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:04:16 i'm trying to say that if you load "C stuff" (libraries) into the lisp process things might be simpler 19:04:50 I am saying that this does not help if you wish to use lisp as an embedded language in some application 19:05:10 "ok" 19:06:10 depending on the scenario .. it requires a tiny shift in how you view things .. the lisp end becomes the process entry point or "main function" (to use C terms...) 19:07:03 ..but screw it; it's probably not suitable since you can't explain your scenario and say. "no, that won't work" .. *goes back to hacking* 19:07:11 -!- lujz [n=lujz@92.37.23.183] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:07:38 I have no particular scenario 19:07:51 if you want to write an application in C 19:08:04 but provide programmability in common lisp 19:08:18 OmniMancer: what would exactly be the point of using C at all? 19:08:27 ECL should support that 19:08:30 yeah, just a ton of baggage .. let's do things like almost no one else does it ... python (pygtk+, openglbindings) .. java (jni --> opengl/gtk+ bindings) etc. etc. does it the way i describe it 19:08:33 it seems silly to write in two languages when one would do! 19:08:45 slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:04 some people do these crazy things 19:09:14 that is assuming you want libraries 19:09:24 OmniMancer: Lisp can call C libraries. 19:09:28 yes 19:09:29 the CoCreate CAD system is also written in C/C++ and embeds a Common Lisp 19:09:34 I do not dispute this 19:09:37 lisp can _trivially_ call C libraries... 19:09:46 this is not the issue 19:09:54 OmniMancer: Oh, I thought that was your answer to drewc's question, "why use C at all" 19:09:55 C libraries can even be made to call into Lisp 19:10:01 me too :) 19:10:22 the issue is for a C application to be able to compile/interpret arbitrary lisp code. 19:10:44 what i am suggesting does not stop you from doing that 19:11:08 "compile" is a normal function call in lisp .. c can tell the lisp end to call the "compile" function 19:11:16 -!- scottmaccal [n=scott@sentry3.jayschools.org] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:11:26 francogrex [n=franco@91.178.115.182] has joined #lisp 19:11:34 bah, stop trying to tell him how to do it 'right' and just let him use ECL and pretend lisp is a scripting language :) 19:11:46 compile is a Lisp funtion not C 19:11:49 drewc, yah :) 19:12:23 is there a public web interface to some CL imprementation? 19:12:35 i think franz have one. 19:12:44 -!- dv_ [n=dv@83-64-248-68.inzersdorf.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 19:12:58 most people would be reluctant to provide such access to a remote machine, i think. 19:12:58 they're old-school, it's a public telnet interface. 19:12:59 myrkraverk: I recomed Lisp in Small Peices 19:13:05 OmniMancer: ECL can do what you want, but CL is, IMO, a little heavy to be used as a scripting language for a C application. some of the smaller scheme's might be better suited. 19:13:18 You will have to buy it however 19:13:30 I know 19:13:44 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-129-138.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 19:13:51 the ECL interface is rather undocumented however 19:13:58 -!- lawful_evil [n=g@w005.z209031033.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:14:09 and what if you want the nice large standard library? 19:14:14 myrkraverk: http://nostoc.stanford.edu/Docs/demointro.html 19:14:35 OmniMancer: then write your app in lisp and embed your C code :) 19:14:45 lol 19:14:47 OmniMancer: well, what problem are you trying to solve? if you want to use common lisp there are a number of implementations that can this. 19:14:54 basically, I need something where my teacher/employer/something can run lisp snippets of mine 19:15:27 myrkraverk: why not just send them some implementation, and then they can cut and paste your code? 19:15:59 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:04 myrkraverk: optionally, you can provide such a service yourself, if you have a servers for it. 19:16:11 I might 19:16:38 my server's been offline for some time though (been mostly on some sort of computer-ish vacation this summer) 19:16:47 OmniMancer: the ECL reference manual and wiki are fairly complete, and there is an active mailing list.. what else do you need? 19:16:56 OmniMancer: it's true that ECL is weak on documentation, but try to search the mailing archives you'll find some things in Q&A 19:17:02 I have NO experience with ECL 19:17:16 younder: then shhhhhh 19:17:46 drewc: indeed 19:18:52 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:18:55 myrkraverk: At some point in the past there was an evaluation bot here who forked a new process for each request, and was probably run in a chroot, or even virtual machine. I do not who wrote it, though. I also once saw a flash Lisp repl. 19:19:14 tcr, thank you 19:20:42 for this, I just like something where a short rutine of mine can be evaluated, and if successful(y implemented algorithm) I can get my teacher to install lisp 19:21:37 Perhaps some Lisp setup carried on an usb stick? 19:21:50 yes, that is viable 19:22:31 *OmniMancer* builds xcl to see if it has changed much 19:22:35 There's Lisp In A Box which is fairly old, but may suffice your purpose. Some chap who's currently not here (Adlai) is also working on an updated version, methinks. 19:23:43 sohail [n=sohail@CPE001839a305c5-CM000a73a081a5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:23:48 I think I'll just put a linux binary of sbcl on my usb stick (I'm not using linux myself though) 19:24:24 well you may also want to show off slime :) 19:24:36 yes, my teacher *does* use emacs ;) 19:24:51 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:25:00 or, I can just bring my laptop around, which has both sbcl and slime ;) 19:25:14 but I can't send that in an email ;/ 19:25:18 xcl? 19:25:24 xcl? 19:25:41 It has great effect when someone says "Isn't Lisp all interpreted" and you just show the result of the disassemble function 19:25:51 ah ;) 19:26:23 ignas__ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 19:26:50 -!- ignas__ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:26:53 Bonus point if you memorized an efficient version of dot-product or something similiar 19:26:56 ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 19:27:39 cheating a bit, surely ;) 19:27:44 tcr: use nad or 19:28:18 I'm actually going to implement a method to generate a permutation, I think that compiled is fantastic enough 19:28:34 waste od time 19:28:46 huh? 19:29:08 fortran my be a awfull language 19:29:20 myrkraverk: Do not pay too much attention to younder. 19:29:24 well, I need to go now; see you guys later 19:29:30 http://armedbear.org/ 19:29:32 tcr, will not, thank you 19:29:36 but it has created some beutiful numeric code 19:29:52 -!- myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:30:01 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142068078072.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:05 nad and . 19:30:22 -!- mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142068078072.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:30:30 used in mathematica, mabel and.. 19:30:45 does there exist any common lisp that targets llvm as a codegen? 19:31:03 no 19:32:54 if GCC has a LLVM back-end(?) you might get that via ECL -> GCC 19:33:14 but i don't know .. never tried anything like that 19:33:42 you can use llvm-gcc 19:34:04 but that would not be the most beneficial it could be 19:34:09 -!- ignas_ [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:35:14 it would be more interesting to use clang 19:35:16 IMHO 19:36:06 except clang is somewhat incomplete currently... 19:36:10 -!- ausente is now known as dalton 19:36:20 yes 19:36:29 -!- ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@75-138-213-210.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:36:30 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:29 -!- angerman [n=angerman@host41.natpool.mwn.de] has left #lisp 19:37:51 Davidbrcz [n=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 19:38:40 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:39:36 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:53 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 19:40:25 how to avoid handler-case taking care of an error before slime? (sorry if you've seen me asked this before) 19:40:58 ? 19:41:43 by applying cerror? 19:42:21 -!- KevinFish [n=fish@c-98-208-14-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:42:50 silenius [n=jl@dslb-088-073-104-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:16 lhz: Not using handler-case? 19:43:22 -!- yango [n=yango@unaffiliated/yango] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:43:44 handler-bind! 19:43:46 Perhaps you're looking for HANDLER-BIND which gives you the opportunity to decline 19:44:15 try that 19:45:27 tsuru [n=user@c-76-22-154-126.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:32 I'm using handler-case because the code must take care of all errors. 19:45:51 -!- alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:46:23 You must go into the code and see where it must be handled.. 19:46:35 lhz: Then you may want to call swank::invoke-slime-debugger in that handler 19:46:41 Phaze [n=PhazeDK@0x5da32b16.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1104.soebnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 19:47:04 Precipitate the error.. 19:47:26 tcr: I did try testing for *slime*, like if I was running with slime, but handler-case unwinds the stack when inside the handler so it isn't so useful anymore. 19:47:41 lhz, handler-bind does not unwind the stack 19:47:41 Right that's why you want to use handler-bind with invoke-slime-debugger 19:47:51 you can still have an outer handler-case 19:48:08 handler-bind doesn't 19:48:27 unwind the stack that is 19:48:50 that sounds what I need, except for that I dont want to commit code with slime stuff in it. 19:50:00 invoke-debugger is part of cl 19:50:13 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-184-206-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:50:33 Right, that will likely invoke the slime debugger implicitly 19:50:49 Depends on whether you frobbed *debugger-hook* or not 19:50:50 *debuger-hook* needs to be rebound 19:51:35 *tcr* discovers that (SIMPLE-ARRAY FLOAT ((INTEGER 0) (INTEGER 0))) is not a valid type specifier 19:51:52 debugger 19:51:54 I could make it an conditional, test (if *running-under-slime* (invoke-debugger) .. ok thanks for the help tcr, younder and lnostdal 19:52:21 nop 19:52:45 milanj [n=milan@93.87.152.96] has joined #lisp 19:52:46 lhz, invoke-debugger will actually most likely do the right thing depending on environment .. here i got slime so it pops up the slime debuger 19:53:30 lhz, if you need more control, binding *debugger-hook* might be a better idea 19:53:45 crna_ofca [n=chatzill@alpha.linux.hr] has joined #lisp 19:59:18 it is also thread-safe; you can have it bound to multiple values at the same time .. each thread can have its own ways of dealing with unhandled errors 19:59:54 their own way* 20:00:55 lnostdal: that is what the restart-case does today, it is restarting the thread, thats why it may never enter the debugger unless slime is running. 20:02:46 -!- spilman [n=spilman@90.59.64.48] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:07:05 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07:18 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-145-223.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:07:48 badonaway [n=KCXYCL@71-219-113-230.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:52 -!- badon [n=KCXYCL@71-219-113-230.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:09:23 trying to make a simple ascii x-y plot: http://paste.lisp.org/display/86512 20:09:38 inspired by hints previously from pjb 20:10:20 the the points are in accordance with the y-axis/labels position, but not with the x-axis 20:10:30 francogrex: i'll bet you that pjb never told you it was ok to setf toplevel variables without first having defined them, and likely making those variables globally special while doing so... and not putting *earmuffs*... 20:11:17 drewc: read well the word "inspired". you hint is noted however 20:11:43 right, if one uses global variables write them as *foo* and not as foo 20:12:16 francogrex: it's not just a hint.. you've broken every closure in your package that might close over a variable named X or GRID... if you keep it up, you'll run into all sorts of odd behavior :) 20:12:28 no hlobal variables here and anyxway beside the point in this specific request 20:13:10 yes, it's important when someone posts broken code never to point out the broken parts they didn't ask about... 20:13:17 drewc: noted. thanks. but how to get the axis aligned now? 20:14:32 Xach: if this is meant as sarcasm, it is misplaced because i noted drewc correction 20:14:55 francogrex: fix the code and i might think about loading it into my lisp and helping ;) 20:19:20 http://paste.lisp.org/display/86512#1 20:19:22 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:20:12 francogrex: it can help to also specify what you expected, and what you got instead 20:21:15 Xach: want to be able to align the points to the labels (for example a point (30 30) should align it's start with x-value 30 and y-value 30 20:21:42 francogrex: in this case i mean a picture (even a text picture), not prose 20:22:13 where do i load a picture? 20:22:17 upload 20:22:54 if it's text, you can paste it to paste.lisp.org 20:23:02 pictures can be uploaded to imageshack.com or others 20:24:12 you plot something based on a 2d array 20:24:26 francogrex: you probably simply want to print each field with a fixed width (assuming that spacing is what's throwing your alignment off) 20:24:28 but the array cells contain objects of different size when printed 20:25:10 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:25:28 Xach: thank you mario looks great! 20:25:32 drewc: thanks 20:25:45 it has gotten a lot of traffic today 20:25:59 it runs on sbcl? 20:26:03 lispm: yes 20:26:26 well, a lot of traffic is probably relative, but i was pleased earlier to see it making 90 images per minute 20:26:46 that's significant traffic 20:26:57 nice that you posted the source, I hope that it inspires some people 20:27:05 just think if you could get a penny per image! :D 20:27:33 lispm: yes, i think sometimes people just think it must be too hard, or can't see how to approach something... 20:27:55 the code is a good example how to write such a thing in a straightforward way 20:29:21 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 20:30:43 maybe something like this: http://img137.imageshack.us/i/testo.jpg/ 20:32:35 I would start drawing the inner part with the * stars 20:32:47 was done in R (couldn't get the value points printed so i printed * instead on the plot) but that doesn't change the question 20:33:03 -!- dalton is now known as Lobaum 20:33:19 then I would write a function to draw an y axis 20:33:21 lispm: that's not the difficult stuff I'd replace the lists with '* 20:34:45 lispm: ok, but I have ;;draw the axes and labels done with the loops 20:35:09 you might also want to make a difference between the data grid and a grid to draw on 20:35:52 or you might need some cursor control 20:36:05 -!- badonaway is now known as badon 20:36:42 legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-50-10.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:37:08 -!- Ogedei [n=user@e178200101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:37:34 serichse1 [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-157-171.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:37:36 anyway, it is a good task to play a bit with Lisp 20:37:54 -!- legumbre [n=user@r190-135-11-206.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:39:06 slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:06 um what is the expected return from a reader macro function? 20:40:55 a list (code) 20:40:58 OmniMancer: a form 20:41:10 LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:34 ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has joined #lisp 20:42:13 -!- ejs [n=eugen@98-19-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:42:18 _Pb [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #lisp 20:43:01 is it a list that will be compiled? 20:43:11 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:43:41 try (read) 20:43:55 you type an expression and Lisp reads it 20:44:04 ah 20:44:04 it returns data 20:44:08 drewc: how to print with a fixed width? 20:44:33 francogrex: use FORMAT .. you can probably use FORMAT to do the entire printing 20:44:36 read macros are functions that are triggered by characters in the input 20:44:40 (ie no LOOPs) 20:45:01 if Lisp sees a ( it then reads a list until ) 20:45:12 but they must return the object that goes in their place right? 20:45:39 you return data of what you are reading 20:46:29 OmniMancer, you can also just quote some code .. ~ is a macro character in my repl atm. .. if i do: CL-USER> '~42 ----> (deref 42) .. it is simply; (set-macro-character #\~ (lambda (stream char)`(deref ,(read stream))) t) 20:46:30 Lisp uses the reader for the functions like READ or READ-FROM-STRING 20:46:51 Lisp also reads code with the reader 20:47:01 code is data is code is data 20:47:07 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:47:28 k 20:48:12 OmniMancer: also, don't use readmacros! :D 20:48:24 *drewc* has a hate-on for reader macros 20:48:26 -!- lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:48:39 tsk 20:48:53 i just think of them as macros .. but the input is characters read from the stream argument instead of forms 20:48:54 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:48:55 "sparingly" is the keyword 20:49:04 Geralt [n=Geralt@p5B32FB7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:00 -!- francogrex [n=franco@91.178.115.182] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:50:02 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-87-84-207.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire."] 20:50:18 you can do lambda shortcuts with them right? 20:50:50 -!- ln5 [n=ln5@h199n2c1o255.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:51:00 i'm using '42 ==> (lambda () 42) here 20:51:16 well, in code that is just 42 20:51:38 a42 is atom (concurrency) .. r42 is ref (software transactional memory) .. etc. etc. 20:51:42 i'm lazy and sloppy 20:51:45 i use (lambda () 42) myself... 20:51:55 me too 20:52:01 i'm lazy and sloppy too... so i make sure my code is not. 20:52:17 *g* 20:52:25 what about [ args | body ] ==> (lambda (args) body)? 20:52:37 OmniMancer: why? 20:52:39 ugly 20:52:50 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:52:53 what's wrong with (defmacro  (args &body body) `(lambda ,args ,@body)) 20:52:58 i think On Lisp has examples that show stuff like that 20:53:25 OmniMancer: besides being ugly and vertical bar being already used for symbol quoting, it's ugly, non-standard, confuising, and gives nothing to the reader of your code. 20:53:28 michaelw, in my case? .. i use  for many things .. so i dispatch on 2nd character after the first  20:53:33 michaelw: I demoed that at the very first ECLM 20:53:52 -!- serichsen [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-140-20.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:15 Krystof: yay for sbcl's unicode support 20:54:25 michaelw: There's an emacs mode ... pretty-symbols or something, that will display lambda as , member as , etc. 20:54:40 No need to make the code unreadable to others :) 20:54:49 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:54:51 michaelw: at the REPL i don't mind such things at all. In code i prefer using vanilla CL, as i like code that is readable :) 20:55:11 'readable' 20:55:14 sellout: I had that on for a while; at some point they ended up in the file (due to a bug in emacs, IIRC), which sucked. 20:55:40 sellout: also, I did not mean to imply that I am using this 20:55:42 michaelw: same thing happened to me... restored from an autosave and whoops! 20:55:53 http://jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/hmm.lisp # non-readable 20:56:46 this is a cool demo of the reader i think; http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/d2425c92cef7465c 20:56:47 yea, emacs sucks like that. it cant display things *without* messing with buffers. well, maybe it can, but it's not really good at it. 20:57:31 also 'cool' is the mixed Lisp / XML reader 20:57:48 cool/scary/or-something .. heh :) 20:57:54 http://www.agentsheets.com/lisp/XMLisp/ 20:58:31 lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:59:00 -!- Lobaum [n=user5442@187.34.47.44] has quit ["EJECT"] 20:59:42 -!- spacebat_ [n=akhasha@ppp121-45-64-6.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:59:45 I'd think an overlay with properties "invisible t" and "before-string " should work. 21:00:50 dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:59 spacebat [n=akhasha@ppp121-45-175-82.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:49 -!- Phaze [n=PhazeDK@0x5da32b16.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1104.soebnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:05:09 seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:10:12 Krystof: so, what issue have you with the fd-streams ? 21:10:21 -!- Geralt [n=Geralt@unaffiliated/thegeralt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:13:37 yay xcl works 21:14:16 wtf 21:14:40 -!- lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:15:34 i'll take my delivarace any day 21:16:12 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:16:22 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:22 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:17:00 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:41 For Xach: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3815/w5byqlw5pj.gif 21:18:06 fe[nl]ix: I don't really have an issue: what I have is a bunch of patches that I'm scared of committing because every time someone mentions fd-streams the next thing they say is "O The Horror" 21:18:35 I mean, I have an issue in that it's horrible trying to make them work better, but I'm not really trying to _use_ them, just to get someone to review my patches 21:19:55 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.87.152.96] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:20:28 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:21:14 Krystof: there's some truth to that 21:21:16 the fd-stream implementation is not exactly very comprehensible 21:21:23 lots of speed hacks 21:22:23 slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C977.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:17 fd-stream is what? 21:23:19 Krystof: what changes did you make ? 21:24:11 some external-format fixes 21:24:17 for example, an output-replacement restart 21:24:27 -!- lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:24:29 (sent to sbcl-devel) 21:24:33 Moe111 [n=Moe111@modemcable067.226-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:24:44 I also have an almost-working force-end-of-file input restart 21:25:14 interesting 21:25:25 why would someone want to force EOF ? 21:25:31 any reason why sb-ext:run-program would fail with a "/bin/bash" cannot execute binary file error? 21:26:16 fe[nl]ix: on a decoding error -- it means "just give up at the first error" 21:26:26 Moe111: is /bin/bash actually executable ? 21:26:40 Moe111: is the script you want to run actually executable 21:26:42 you mean permission wise? 21:26:46 yes 21:27:01 checking 21:27:42 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@206.80.252.37] has quit [] 21:28:21 -!- lispm [n=joswig@e177122103.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 21:28:27 -rwxr-xr-x 21:28:29 should be 21:28:32 -!- _Pb [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:28:54 can you execute it from a terminal ? 21:29:37 preferably from the same shell session you use to run sbcl 21:29:46 well. the sbcl image is running as a daemon, and a user which isn't my terminal user 21:30:10 alright, what I'm hearing here is that there's no real reason and I need to troubleshoot old skool 21:30:19 I will do that now and come back if I have other questions 21:30:45 strace -f -p $(pidof sbcl) /might/ be useful 21:31:03 don't people ever juse use sbcl from the command line? 21:31:22 emma, obviously there are differences in how people use it 21:31:26 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:31:27 I have heard other languages have repls for the command line. 21:31:39 but we tend to use slime. 21:32:00 nope. can't execute binary file from sbcl but can execute from shell 21:32:10 I wonder if the emacs + slime environment could not be sort of recreated at the command line with bash. 21:32:42 It probably could, but it would be a lot of work. 21:32:47 Moe111 pasted "Command line..." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/86517 21:32:52 emma, rlwrap + sbcl under screen can be handy for debugging; so i use sbcl from the CLI .. emacs+slime can run in the terminal btw. .. emacs -nw 21:32:59 perhaps there's something very wrong with that line? 21:33:47 SLIME is great because it integrates the runtime with a decent debugger and the editor. You don't get that with just rlwrap. 21:34:51 I really like slime, but i'm not keen on emacs, it's odd 21:35:19 You probably just like having a rich-y Lisp work environment. 21:35:27 That's true 21:36:08 in some sane parallel universe we're using climacs right now 21:36:19 Oh if only 21:36:30 If i ever get to the point i can help with that... 21:37:08 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-184-206-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:47 lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 21:38:07 I use sbcl from the command-line, but since my major use case is developing sbcl, I am not representative 21:38:30 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:49 -!- dcrawford [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:39:30 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-252-194.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 21:40:01 Elench: learning emacs has benefits outside of lisp development. I was not an emacs fan 'till i started with CL, and i struggled at first (viper-mode helped). Now i live in emacs and an much more productive because of it :) 21:40:33 drewc: the keybindings are a pain, and if i change them all it will take years 21:40:41 that said, i'd rather be using climacs as well. It's not any less weird than emacs though. 21:40:51 Or i could change my keymap for a single aplication, ummm, no 21:41:40 it's not hard to assign some nice keybindings 21:41:54 so .. use CUA mode or something... it's a programmable editor after all, and you only need to change the commands that have analogs in your other environments. 21:42:20 Yeah, i should 21:42:30 Elench, http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Key-bindings.html .. slime-repl-mode-map and slime-mode-map 21:42:41 Thanks :-) 21:44:20 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 21:45:01 satanism is powerfull yes 21:45:12 shut up, younder 21:48:33 ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has joined #lisp 21:54:40 -!- silenius [n=jl@dslb-088-073-104-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:54:48 silenius [n=jl@dslb-088-073-104-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:52 -!- silenius [n=jl@dslb-088-073-104-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:55:20 So, pixie is what implements widgets in CLX, right? 21:55:26 s/in/for/ 21:55:50 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:02 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:56:03 deepfire: i have heard of clx, but not pixie. what's pixie? 21:56:27 Xach, mcclim/Looks/pixie.lisp 21:56:38 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:51 milanj [n=milan@93.87.152.96] has joined #lisp 21:58:02 What exactly it is is what I'm trying to figure out now.. 21:58:20 pixie is one "theme" for mcclim 21:59:14 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o drewc 21:59:24 Oh, I'm an idiot. Is there a version of delete-duplicates that only removes consecutive duplicates. 22:00:39 Krystof, how do I activate it? 22:00:45 gigamonkey: not that i'm aware of ... i'd use LOOP myself. 22:01:56 rpg [n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:27 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02:27 -!- Moe111 [n=Moe111@modemcable067.226-21-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [] 22:05:56 Aha, (use-pixie) 22:08:29 drewc: Yeah. I was pretty sure there wasn't a standard one but one can always hope. 22:08:36 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:09:27 gigamonkey: i could be wrong, of course.... it's a big spec after all. I can't find anything in PCL about it :P 22:09:58 ;-) 22:11:20 Hmm, pixie arguably looks nicer than default CLX look-and-feel. 22:12:47 The sliders and scrollbars are particularly better. 22:13:30 coliv [n=Coliveir@173.12.30.65] has joined #lisp 22:15:49 -!- badon [n=KCXYCL@71-219-113-230.slkc.qwest.net] has left #lisp 22:17:38 dcrawford [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 22:17:38 dcrawford_ [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 22:17:46 -!- saikat [n=saikat@98.210.13.214] has quit [] 22:18:27 -!- dcrawford [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:18:37 -!- dcrawford_ is now known as dcrawford 22:20:40 -!- dcrawford [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:20:49 -!- ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:08 -!- mrSpec [n=Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit ["Zzz"] 22:24:21 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-252-194.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [] 22:25:29 -!- xan-afk is now known as xan 22:26:57 levy [n=levy@apn-94-44-5-209.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 22:29:17 dcrawford [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:17 dcrawford_ [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:33 -!- dcrawford_ [n=dcrawfor@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has left #lisp 22:29:47 -!- Soulman [n=kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:30:47 -!- Coliveira [n=Coliveir@173.12.30.65] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:32:08 -!- coliv [n=Coliveir@173.12.30.65] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:33:34 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@140a.hackerdojo.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:10 lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 22:37:35 -!- roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has left #lisp 22:37:39 -!- alexsuraci [n=alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:39:39 seisatsu [n=seisatsu@adsl-99-54-11-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:00 badon [n=KCXYCL@71-219-113-230.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:47 -!- badon [n=KCXYCL@71-219-113-230.slkc.qwest.net] has left #lisp 22:45:10 manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F87B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:33 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@91.194.72.7] has left #lisp 22:47:10 -!- tagac [n=user@119.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 22:47:14 is clever to order lisp oriented books over company officials .. someone could characterize me as loony 22:49:00 -!- lat__ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:52:38 -!- levy [n=levy@apn-94-44-5-209.vodafone.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53:07 ltriant [n=ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:53:16 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:57:33 alexsuraci [n=alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:19 -!- Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:02:09 Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has joined #lisp 23:03:37 redblue [i=star@ppp146.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:04:18 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host146.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:04:45 Does McCLIM have a pane mixin class representing repaing "caching"? 23:04:53 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 23:05:05 Er, repaint. 23:06:42 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.87.152.96] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:07:12 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:08:51 Does anyone have a pointer to how to bake a swank server into a saved SBCL image? When we try to do it, the restarted image crashes with a corrupted memory error.... 23:10:51 rpg: you're not trying to start the server before saving the image, are you? 23:11:17 drewc: No. We load it up and then call save-lisp-and-die. That was my first guess, too. 23:11:24 rpg: i do that all the time. never had a problem. i always have a script that loads swank (and other stuff) and immediately save-lisp-and-die. 23:11:38 yeah. me too.. what platform? 23:12:00 rpg: what's the exact error 23:12:01 ? 23:12:52 Ok, on a second thought, repaint caching implies too much blitting for my taste. 23:12:56 Xach: Hang on. I'll try to replicate it now (this is something the next guy over did...). 23:17:18 -!- jleija [n=jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:17:18 -!- nha [n=prefect@17-70.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:18:30 -!- Cassio [i=Cassio@151.61.94.223] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:18:56 -!- HG` [n=HG@xdsleh067.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:19:27 -!- jao [n=jao@214.Red-88-6-174.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:19:36 saikat [n=saikat@adsl-76-233-236-102.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:13 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:24:08 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:24:43 rpg pasted "Error report sent to me by colleague" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/86522 23:25:20 I realize that's a crummy error message --- I just figured this might be a FAQ and expected more of a RTFWP response... 23:26:01 -!- OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@122-57-9-204.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #lisp 23:28:11 rpg: is this a kitchen-sink image, or is it sbcl+swank and that's it? 23:28:27 rpg: i've gotten errors like that on foreign libraries, but not swank 23:29:30 No, what my friend was trying to do was to add a swank server to a larger application (the security application I talked about at ILC) so that we could debug it at a remote deployment. 23:29:53 So it's a pretty large system. But it (the image) works, as long as we don't start the swank server. 23:33:24 *Xach* has nothin' 23:33:51 dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:55 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:34:52 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 23:36:47 My impression is that region-intersects-region-p is faster than seeing if region-intersection returns +nowhere+ for rectangle intersections, is it correct? 23:38:54 Xach: OK. The mere fact that this isn't an obvious question is useful informaiton. 23:42:02 lat pasted "bad mcclim install" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/86523 23:43:08 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:43:13 -!- dfox [n=dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:43:27 sbahra [n=sbahra@c-68-34-110-14.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:50 Why did my mcclim install fail? 23:44:37 Xach, drewc: OK, finally managed to replicate this (don't ask!) --- got that exact error. The image worked fine until I tried swank:start-server :port 9999 :dont-close T. (linux box). 23:45:12 lat_, find mcclim -name '*.fasl' | xargs rm -f 23:47:23 rpg: i wonder if something else is the real cause but swank is triggering it somehow 23:47:51 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:49:51 Xach: Looking at the backtrace, it seems almost like swank failed to open, then blew up trying to write an error message. 23:50:33 rtoym [n=chatzill@user-0c8hpll.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 23:52:20 HET2 [n=diman@cpc2-cdif3-0-0-cust803.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 23:52:21 deepfire, find mcclim -name '*.fasl' | xargs rm -f ===> find: `mcclim': No such file or directory 23:53:12 yoos [n=quassel@c-67-169-211-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:07 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 23:54:15 blackened`_ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 23:55:26 *rpg* wants to kill himself --- someone configured this effing linux box to connect to squid or some damn thing... And then didn't install squid... 23:55:27 dwh [n=dwh@ppp118-208-171-218.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:05 Oh, lost in my thoughts about McClim, I forgot to say hello. So, I'll say it now: Hello, fellow lispers! 23:58:03 Lobaum [n=user5442@187.34.47.44] has joined #lisp 23:58:17 Should I have been root when running clbuild to install McClim? 23:58:33 -!- Lobaum is now known as dalton 23:59:13 <_3b> lat_: you should not need to be root to use clbuild