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I can't find anything on it. 00:33:08 WarWeasle: just call glBufferData on the VBO id again with the new parameters 00:33:29 if the size is different, internally it is going to have to reallocate a new piece of memory for it and this will be costly, so not something you want to do frequently 00:33:42 eihrul_: Wow...It's so simple. 00:33:43 if the size and data format of glBufferData is the same as previous calls, this operation will be very cheap by comparison 00:34:11 WarWeasle: however, you will have to reupload the data to resize it if you want to keep a portion 00:34:17 So if I want to add a few more items to the VBO, then it should be fine. 00:34:18 ? 00:34:37 if you are reuploading the entire data to the VBO each time, it is fine 00:35:00 but if you need something like a variable sized setup, you are better off allocating a VBO larger than you need and filling it in with glBufferSubData as necessary 00:35:08 eihrul_: Oh, I was trying to avoid resending the data... 00:36:22 eihrul_: Can I make a new vbo and transfer the data between them? 00:36:30 there are extensions to do that 00:36:34 but they are new and you can't rely on them 00:36:51 since it is possible the driver will support VBOs but not the buffer copy extension 00:36:59 eihrul_: Ok, then I should just recreate the vbo. 00:37:11 but you could use the buffer copy as a speedup where possible 00:37:27 http://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/ARB/copy_buffer.txt 00:38:59 It doesn't look like cl-opengl uses it yet either. Thank you! You saved me tons of surfing. 00:40:21 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:45:41 *_3b* needs to get cl-opengl caught up on that stuff one of these days :/ 00:47:04 -!- Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483D43C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:48:38 _3b: It's fun, but it threatens my sanity. 00:49:09 <_3b> my problem is mostly just allocating time 00:50:12 -!- dalton [n=user5442@189-19-116-156.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["eject [2]"] 00:50:13 _3b: I *really* want a more general version of emacs, but no one is writng it for me. 00:50:43 dalton [n=user5442@189-19-116-156.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 00:50:58 <_3b> yeah, i have lots of projects that could use someone else to write them for me :) 00:51:41 I also have a game, "Undead Zombie Genius" I want to write. 00:51:46 WarWeasle: I am fairly sure the problem most people have with emacs (that have such) is that it is *too* general :) 00:52:14 S11001001: Add 3D and Common lisp, sound and a good environment. 00:52:30 jauaor [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 00:52:32 <_3b> S11001001: my problem is more that it doesn't support the generality it has well enough 00:52:36 Hazelesque [n=hazel@yamada.9noc.net] has joined #lisp 00:52:44 S11001001: And my virus of a brain will take over the world. 00:53:07 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 00:53:21 _3b: I can't find anything when I need it. I always end up saying "I wish I knew that FIVE YEARS AGO!!!" 00:53:28 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B28F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:19 http://paste.lisp.org/display/86049 < hmm 00:54:20 My idea is simple: Text is the most general way to handle information, lisp being the best way to handle text. 3dGraphics can display it. Boom, done. 00:54:29 (asdf-install:install 'cl-irc) fails 00:54:30 in SBCL 00:54:31 for me 00:55:53 <_3b> Hazelesque: tried getting newer cl-irc? 00:56:09 um 00:56:14 I think it downloaded it? 00:56:21 <_3b> or rather newer flexistreams 00:57:45 <_3b> maybe try clbuild instead of asdf-install 00:58:37 http://paste.lisp.org/display/86049#1 00:58:49 ^ hmm, so I deleted ~/.sbcl/site/cl-irc-waffle 00:58:58 and now it breaks trying to asdf-install it again 00:59:04 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:59:13 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1CBB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:14 <_3b> ah, looks like you want cl-irc from svn instead of fom asdf-install (or patch it to work with version of flexistreams you have) 00:59:31 _3b: should be whatever version of cl-flexi-streams is in debian squeeze 00:59:41 1.0.7-1 01:00:03 <_3b> using cl stuff from debian is usually a bad idea (or at least expecting support for it here is :p ) 01:00:37 heh 01:01:04 -!- Hun [n=Hun@p4FD3CCF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:01:05 _3b: debian also appears to have some weird thing called common-lisp-controller 01:01:11 for building stuff system-wide 01:01:20 <_3b> right, that is one of the things that makes us not want to support it :) 01:01:35 hmm 01:01:46 <_3b> (since most of us don't use it, we don't know how to fix it, and it breaks things often enough to be a problem) 01:02:02 so, what do I do... uninstall anything with "lisp" in the title, rename my .sbcl out of the way, then what? 01:02:06 heh 01:03:03 <_3b> i use clbuild for managing lisp stuff in linux 01:03:47 <_3b> make sure to purge the debian slime/swank packages, they break emacs when uninstalled without purging 01:03:47 _Pb [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #lisp 01:04:24 danlei` [n=user@pD954F178.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:30 -!- danlei [n=user@pD954F2BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:04:33 -!- danlei` is now known as danlei 01:05:32 -!- _Pb [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has left #lisp 01:05:33 right, will have a go at that in a minute :) 01:06:42 seisatsu_ [n=seisatsu@adsl-63-198-106-143.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:07:41 pizzledizzle [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:25 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:10:59 -!- seisatsu [n=seisatsu@adsl-63-198-106-143.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:12:54 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 01:13:55 -!- dalton [n=user5442@189-19-116-156.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["EJECT [3]"] 01:14:02 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B28F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:15:36 _3b: right, so the preferred method of installing lisp on debian would be? 01:15:56 and: sbcl or clisp? (I am to understand this is the dichotomy?) 01:16:08 no 01:16:18 they are both quite nice in their own ways 01:16:48 i like sbcl on linux because it compiles to native code, has good thread support, and the people who write it hang out here and offer great support and tender care 01:17:08 hmmm. 01:18:01 Xach: also, my machine is amd64... presumably I should compile sbcl as 64-bit? 01:18:11 (ie, presumably there is no good reason not to?) 01:18:37 or, download a binary for that platform 01:18:37 Don't forget Clozure CL, cmucl, ecl, gcl, the commercial lisps like Allegro and Lispworks. I've probably forgotten some. 01:19:26 Hazelesque: i use 64 bits. you get big fixnums and immediate single-floats! 01:20:10 <_3b> 32bit sbcl might be a bit smaller if you are very ram constrained, but otherwise i'd use 64 bit 01:21:11 Anyone know some internals of araneida? 01:21:28 <_3b> (other lisps besides sbcl might be even better in low ram cases though) 01:24:31 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-woxcuowhqmvexlrh] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:24:38 elliotstern [n=chatzill@cpe-69-204-30-167.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:24:38 In particular why does http:// work but http:// not work? 01:24:56 oh geez, darcs... 01:25:09 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [] 01:25:35 _3b: you suggested cl-build over asdf-install? 01:25:50 Hazelesque: yes. 01:25:57 <_3b> Hazelesque: yeah, both have limitations, but clbuild fits my usage better 01:27:05 <_3b> clbuild automates checking things out of version control repositories, so things might not always work, but you get the newest code 01:28:56 <_3b> asdf-install relies on people making releases, and putting a link on cliki, so you get things that are less likely to be random work in progress, but on the other hand, not everyone packages 'releases' often enough for that to work well 01:30:33 ah, hmm 01:30:35 :) 01:31:33 <_3b> your cl-irc problem is an example of lack of releases... it has apparently been fixed in cvs for 13mo or so 01:31:40 <_3b> *in svn rather 01:31:40 heh 01:31:55 was that a cl-irc problem, or a problem with something it depended on? 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But soon someone else will take over, so it doesn't really matter much anymore. 03:29:43 Adlai`` [n=adlai@85-250-240-191.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 03:30:10 logBot0109 [n=logBot@59.92.180.124] has joined #lisp 03:32:32 krumholt_ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-124-197.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 03:35:42 s0ber__ [n=s0ber@220-136-229-90.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:44 -!- s0ber_ [n=s0ber@220-136-230-61.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:38:54 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 03:39:43 -!- pizdets [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:39:47 pizzledizzle [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:45 hadronzoo [n=user@gateway.publicvpn.net] has joined #lisp 03:48:14 -!- s0ber [n=s0ber@220-136-230-201.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:49:01 -!- krumholt__ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-61-108.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:49:46 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:50:29 sykopomp [n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:52:40 -!- crna_ofca [n=chatzill@alpha.linux.hr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:52:48 -!- ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:53:30 nullman [n=nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:53:44 -!- WarWeasle [n=brad@98.220.168.14] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:59:52 -!- eihrul_ [n=eihrul@ip72-193-224-224.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:01:34 eihrul_ [n=eihrul@ip72-193-224-224.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:03:01 -!- hadronzoo [n=user@gateway.publicvpn.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 04:03:05 -!- Adlai`` is now known as Adlai 04:03:19 -!- kmcorbett [n=Keith@c-76-119-215-57.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 04:04:13 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:05:18 piso_ [n=peter@ip98-176-76-28.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:24 -!- krumholt_ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-124-197.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:07:11 -!- BrianRice-mb [n=briantri@66.192.188.156] has quit [] 04:09:33 amttc [n=alex@adsl-190-186-125.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:38 -!- piso [n=peter@ip98-176-76-28.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:17:36 -!- amttc [n=alex@adsl-190-186-125.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 04:18:21 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-181-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 04:23:44 mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-181-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:38 DakeDesu [n=root@S0106001cdfcd44c1.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:30:27 HG` [n=HG@xdslfc015.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 04:34:19 -!- kidd [n=kidd@4.Red-88-17-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:34:19 How can I prevent the encoding from being changed when I use format to save to a file? 04:34:59 <_3b> set the encoding when you open the file? 04:36:20 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-181-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:41:11 _3b, how? I want it to be utf-8. 04:41:42 <_3b> :external-format :utf-8 might work 04:41:45 -!- KatrinaTheLamia [n=root@S0106001cdfcd44c1.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:42:22 <_3b> for portability you might want to use something like babel though 04:45:34 hefner [n=hefner@ppp-61-90-82-249.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 04:50:18 -!- logBot0109 [n=logBot@59.92.180.124] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:53:32 kenjin [n=kenjin@163.152.180.197] has joined #lisp 04:53:56 -!- kenjin is now known as Guest31310 04:54:50 -!- Guest31310 is now known as kenjin_che 04:54:59 fusss [n=chatzill@115.128.30.25] has joined #lisp 04:55:41 Can I interface with linux shell using SBCL? 04:56:18 <_3b> define 'interface' 04:56:31 for example (system "ls -al") to see all the files in the current directory 04:56:50 <_3b> you can run a shell as a subprocess 04:57:15 Where can I find some sort of manual for that? 04:57:42 kenjin_che: install trivial-shell, then look in the lisp files 04:57:51 anything else is unhealthily non-portable 04:59:16 what was wrapper people use to get history for standalone invocation of sbcl? 04:59:44 I googled it.....it looks nice....Thank you S110010001, _3b 05:00:55 kenjin_che: don't forget the parameters for the main trivial-shell functions; set the option for waitpid according to your needs or you might have hanging process issues 05:01:01 fusss: rlwrap 05:01:18 yes! cheers Xach 05:03:06 kenjin_che: i was using trivial shell to run format converters (ffmpeg, pdf2foo, etc); it's much better and cleaner to write a C function that interfaces with the C library, and write an FFI for that. so much more control with less moving parts 05:03:24 woop woop CFFI 05:04:25 (system "ffmpeg -i inputfile.mov -o output.swf") vs (convert-to-flash (guess-input-format "input-file")) :-) 05:05:36 fusss// Which one are you suggesting is better? first one? :) 05:05:44 later 05:06:04 IPC vs function call 05:06:16 But we are more familiar with the first one 05:06:47 in this case, pretty soon, familiarity will breed contempt 05:07:10 good luck anyway! :-) 05:07:19 I'm a newbie...and have almost no idea of C so... :) 05:08:19 Thank you, I'll keep in mind the parameters 05:11:18 wow, C is dying. i thought everyone learned it first. 05:11:29 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has quit ["off"] 05:11:46 fusss: welcome to 1995! 05:11:57 phax [n=phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 05:13:46 Summermute66 [n=scott@c-68-55-207-173.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:14:08 girzel [n=user@61.51.238.135] has joined #lisp 05:14:33 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:16:21 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:16:53 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 05:17:53 -!- uman [n=uman@unaffiliated/uman] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 05:23:50 -!- piso_ is now known as piso 05:26:43 _3b, :external-format :utf-8 doesn't seem to help. do (format t "~a" line)) in loop displays greek characters, but if I use do (format *dest-file* "~a" line)) to write to a file, then open the file in Emacs 23, I get backslashes and numbers displayed. However, if I open the file with yudit I see greek characters. Rather confusing. Emacs displays the source file in greek characters just fine. 05:27:20 vyazovoi [n=vyazovoi@horrible-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru] has joined #lisp 05:27:34 -!- Summermute [n=scott@c-68-55-207-173.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:27:53 Summermute [n=scott@c-68-55-207-173.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:33:46 -!- vyazovoi [n=vyazovoi@horrible-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:34:03 _3b, I just a beginner at Lisp, so I possibly am not even asking the right question. 05:34:07 vyazovoi [n=vyazovoi@horrible-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru] has joined #lisp 05:34:31 _3b, Here is how I opened the file: (defparameter *sf* (open "scr-nt.txt" :external-format :utf-8)) 05:34:53 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-oyxlzwlgbpdalcow] has left #lisp 05:35:18 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-cjiawvpnwtvmzrbx] has joined #lisp 05:36:00 hadronzoo [n=user@ppp-70-251-128-236.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:52 -!- Summermute66 [n=scott@c-68-55-207-173.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:38:14 alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has joined #lisp 05:41:34 -!- loxs [n=loxs@78.90.124.182] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:41:41 this is sick. 10k lines of code runs unchanged on Win32 lispworks, linux sbcl and clozure. 22 dependencies, all from cliki. 05:44:04 i was never able to "afford" clozure until this week, by the way. i requires a machine with SSE2 ;-) 05:45:33 and i like how clozure's compiler messages are of the cmuclish flavor; verbose and commented. LispWork's different error pane, and GUI debugger annoy me, sorta 05:46:07 lexa_ [n=lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 05:46:35 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest10461 05:51:07 cracki_ [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 05:57:48 froog_ [n=david@87.192.28.247] has joined #lisp 05:58:02 sse2 is how old by now? 05:59:03 it is 8 years old, apparently 05:59:44 -!- hadronzoo [n=user@ppp-70-251-128-236.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 05:59:54 <_3b> lat: you might need to make sure you are loading the source file into the lisp in the right encoding, are sending things across slime in the right encoding, etc 06:00:13 <_3b> lat: also, my answer was based on sbcl, it might need modified for other lisps 06:00:29 -!- phax [n=phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:00:59 -!- Guest10461 [n=lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 06:01:42 eihrul_: old enough for VPSes to support it. 06:01:55 htk_ [n=htk___@95.65.241.214] has joined #lisp 06:01:56 _3b, I was mistaken. It did work. I think I was looking in an old file. Many thanks! I'm using sbcl also. 06:03:29 fusss: well, yeah, when a $300 netbook supports it, no excuses :) 06:04:49 *_3b* seems to still use a non-sse2 machine 06:06:09 blasphemy! 06:07:31 <_3b> don't do too much lisp on that one if i can avoid it though, takes about an hour to compile sbcl on it :p 06:08:40 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 06:09:24 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:10:24 what the hell 06:10:31 there is a crc32 instruction in SSE4? 06:10:38 plage [n=user@90-227-107-28-no34.business.telia.com] has joined #lisp 06:10:39 is intel just making shit up at this point to spite AMD? 06:10:50 Good morning. 06:11:29 eihrul_: it also has a strcmp opcode 06:11:34 hey plage 06:11:41 -!- froog [n=david@87.192.28.247] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:11:56 i thought there was always a string comparison instruction? 06:12:34 or is this a different one than the rep cmps? 06:13:20 shrimpfish [n=fish@isacop.com] has joined #lisp 06:13:27 with rep? cmp? you had to load CX with the length of the string 06:13:46 oh, the horror! 06:14:03 this one does C-style test for nullness per character, or some weird shit that annoyed me when i read the press release 06:14:44 if your program so completely depends upon the performance of strcmp that you need a hardware instruction to do it... 06:14:45 brb 06:14:49 i'd say your code is beyond help 06:15:12 eihrul_: "xml appliances" 06:15:31 anything to make money from big corp and their kludge stack 06:15:40 drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-136-114.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:16:08 yes, beyond help :) 06:19:17 angerman [n=angerman@host42.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 06:22:57 -!- angerman [n=angerman@host42.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Client Quit] 06:24:16 -!- S11001001 [n=sirian@pdpc/supporter/active/S11001001] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:25:16 *p_l* recalls that main non-math library promoted by intel for using AVX intructions was a XML processing one.... 06:28:21 -!- girzel [n=user@61.51.238.135] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:29:43 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:30:56 -!- Summermute [n=scott@c-68-55-207-173.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:33:21 benny` [n=benny@i577A1B9C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:35:45 S11001001 [n=sirian@74-137-151-39.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 06:39:18 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1DCD.versanet.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 06:41:48 -!- plage [n=user@90-227-107-28-no34.business.telia.com] has left #lisp 06:42:05 -!- benny` is now known as benny 06:49:07 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 06:55:44 ASau [n=user@77.246.231.120] has joined #lisp 06:59:29 dralston [n=dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:14 -!- ineiros_ [n=ineiros@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:02:09 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:04:56 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:07:53 -!- hohum [n=dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:08:16 hohum [n=dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has joined #lisp 07:10:18 aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:11:14 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-181-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:12:34 <_3b> hmm, does anything in the spec require that the symbol foo::bar exists after (QUOTE foo::bar) is evaluated, even if the result is ignored? 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<-- the fact that the reader interns? 08:35:33 Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has joined #lisp 08:35:59 -!- xan-afk is now known as xan_ 08:36:58 _3b: there is some persistent state that is changed: (do-symbol (s "FOO") ...) must walk FOO::BAR. 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a moment ago 12:36:37 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:59 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-166-217.static.vologda.ru] has quit ["I wish the toaster to be happy, too."] 12:38:53 -!- dto` is now known as dto 12:39:02 What would you use to localize dates in a server application? I'm currently depending on cl-l10n (which is fabulous), but using a locale setting the user needs to select explicitly. 12:39:07 I'm somewhat worried that users will see our en_GB locale with the DD/MM/(YY)YY format and assume incorrectly that it's en_US MM/DD/(YY)YY. 12:39:20 Is there a less ambiguous date format understood in the entire English-speaking world that I could teach cl-l10n to use instead? 12:39:35 lichtblau: 2-3 letters for the month. 12:40:02 -!- dwh [n=dwh@ppp118-208-171-218.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:44:56 hefner: and ^x is similar to  ; lisp develops on typographical errors... 12:45:44 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-227-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 12:45:45 pkhuong: thanks! I like that idea. 12:45:49 Is this format merely recognizable or actually widely accepted, say in official documents? (And which separator would you use? Slash? Dash? Space?) 12:46:33 lichtblau: why not just inform yusers that the date format is ISO8601 and use it ? 12:46:58 lichtblau: I would use spaces. It is universally recognizable. 12:47:28 lichtblau: oh - and widely used. (Although official forms tend to require digits.) 12:47:33 galdor: what's ISO8601? 12:48:06 a standard date/time format 12:48:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 12:48:39 tools that use dates can use it 12:48:40 i was making a point, that not everyone knows what it is 12:48:43 it's readable 12:48:54 depends of the type of users though 12:49:36 and certainly that knowledge would help me automatically recognize a date 12:49:42 wouldn't 12:51:58 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:23 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 12:57:38 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:57:52 dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:59:23 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-163-86.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:02:12 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:03:58 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-163-86.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:04:29 frodef [n=ffj@226.80-202-87.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 13:05:47 -!- HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:06:01 HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:06:13 -!- HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:07:08 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:07:09 lichtblau: really nowadays, with the globalization, we should leave behind culture specific date and time formats. There is Internet and there is ISO8601. 13:08:02 matimago: that is exactly right. that is why i am on swatch internet time. it's almost 73...time for breakfast! 13:08:14 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 13:09:57 -!- htk_ [n=htk___@95.65.241.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:10:04 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:10:14 Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 13:12:11 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 13:12:25 LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:21 ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has joined #lisp 13:14:26 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:43 where do i send additional projects for clbuild? 13:18:29 fgtech [n=federico@host94-170-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:19:03 there's a development list that you can darcs send patches to wnpp-projects to 13:19:13 -!- Jasko2 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poor phrasing of the original question 16:12:55 <_3b> pjb`: yeah, that is what i was thinking, question is more about whether it could be optimized away than garbage collected though 16:15:53 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 16:16:07 _3b pasted "concrete example" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/86072 16:17:53 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 16:19:18 damn splits. 16:22:22 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt [n=ianmcorv@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:22:25 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:22:27 _3b: Why do you ask? Does SBCL optimize it away? 16:22:44 <_3b> tcr: sbcl and clisp both do af far as i can tell 16:23:07 <_3b> tcr: originally wondered due to trying to figure out if my compiler could/should or not 16:24:39 <_3b> my current interpretation is that i can get rid of unused QUOTE forms, but for complete correctness, i need to intern the symbol anyway when loading the compiled form 16:25:44 timor1 [n=martin@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 16:26:05 _3b: why would you treat QUOTE specially? What if I instead had (defmacro foo (x) nil)? 16:26:39 <_3b> pkhuong: QUOTE just happened to be what originally made me think of the issue 16:27:42 It's an interesting question. :) 16:28:18 Not that it matters much, anyone who wants the side-effect should make it explicit via INTERN 16:28:51 <_3b> tcr: right, i'll probably skip the correctness for a while :) 16:30:16 skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has joined #lisp 16:34:02 -!- nixor_ is now known as nixor 16:34:11 -!- splittist [n=dmurray@112-25.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1"] 16:35:15 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit ["Ok, I'm outta here"] 16:35:45 <_3b> i suppose technically, any symbol created while reading a top level form (names of locals, flushed literals, etc) should be recreated while LOADing the compiled version of that form, whether it appears in the compiled code or not 16:36:58 <_3b> (other literals too, but you can't actually tell the difference for most of them) 16:37:10 I don't think that's the behaviour that is specified. I think it's more likely that they made it possibly to get rid of gensyms etc 16:37:53 <_3b> clhs 3.2.4.1 16:37:53 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_bda.htm 16:38:18 <_3b> 4th paragraph is what i'm basing my interpretation on 16:38:30 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:40:53 pkhuong: I've had a request to merge your fix for truncate (in the specialized truncate transform, to go to lvar-derived-type) 16:41:28 pkhuong: I'm happy to do so, because it's a regression against 1.0.30 with known impact on code in the wild. Are there any other fixes with similar impact, do you know? 16:41:29 <_3b> alternately, you could interpret my example as 'not conforming' since it doesn't intern either symbol into FOO before LOADing the form, and the impl could legitimately intern BAZ into any arbitrary package 16:43:56 <_3b> actually, maybe i misread, and that specific case isn't covered, but i think it could be modified to apply 16:44:47 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 16:45:03 skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has joined #lisp 16:47:27 <_3b> pjb`: yeah, that is what i was thinking, question is more about whether it could be optimized away <-- if you do, you're breaking SLIME's completion 16:47:58 well, probably not breaking, but making it behave somewhat counter-intuitively 16:48:32 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:48:44 <_3b> mathrick: right, that would be another example where it might be noticeable, though still unlikely to actually matter 16:49:17 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 16:49:36 -!- serichse1 is now known as serichsen 16:50:03 <_3b> presumably most symbols you would want to complete would actually be used somewhere 16:50:53 presumably, although don't forget that Lisp is completely dynamic 16:51:25 <_3b> yeah, i'm arguing that the symbol should exist though, not that it shouldn't 16:51:36 ah 16:51:45 <_3b> (though possibly not that it is worth actually putting code into my compiler to make it exist :) 16:51:57 famous last words :) 16:52:10 I have a single diff of doom with: truncate fix (both XC leak and lvar-derived-type), GCD returning -ve values, range reduction for sin/cos/tan on x86-64, and random SIGBUS on single float arithmetic 16:52:12 ianmcorvidae|alt [n=ianmcorv@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 16:52:16 <_3b> sbcl and clisp both seem to get away with ignoring the problem :) 16:52:30 *range reduction on x86 16:52:35 _3b: I'm curious tho, how did you structure it so that it doesn't do it internally? 16:52:38 -!- Reav__ [n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:52:54 <_3b> mathrick: what do you mean? 16:53:10 the straightforwards reading of the spec gives rise to an interning reader, which makes things only mentioned stay around 16:53:19 mathrick: not with separate compilation. 16:53:25 ah, right 16:54:48 Xof: of those, I guess the SIGBUS is a regression from not too long ago, and the issue with GCD has cropped up at least once in a real program. 16:55:54 okay, so to switch the topics to another somewhat old one, is it possible that I just hit an SBCL bug with that SIGFPE thing from yesterday? I'm sure there has to be some kind of interaction with C as well, but I can't make pure C misbehave no matter how hard I try 16:55:56 I'm OK with delaying the release for whichever of those you think are important 16:56:15 I should probably paste a test case 16:56:23 I'll commit the truncate lvar-derived-type one now, since I wrote a test for it 16:57:22 -!- Cowmoo [n=Cowmoo@static-70-108-241-27.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:58:03 Xof: I think only truncate (+ the XC leak fix) is really important. The single float arith patch is also tiny (a single symbol), and hard to test. I guess you could just put that in the same commit? The rest doesn't seem that important. 16:58:46 what's the single-float patch? 16:59:22 okflo [n=user@91-115-81-67.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 16:59:54 compiler/x86-64/float.lisp:L636, s/movaps/movq/. 17:00:36 ta 17:01:27 lexa_ [n=lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 17:01:27 trebor_home [n=email@dslb-084-058-241-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:55 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest62336 17:02:46 metawilm [n=willem@g225067250.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:03:19 leadnose_ [i=leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 17:03:37 is the issue that the complex constants need not be 8-bit aligned in memory? 17:03:52 slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C3F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:36 I was using an overly wide load, so it required 16 byte alignment instead of 8. 17:04:48 ah right 17:05:30 -!- htk_ [n=htk___@95.65.241.142] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:07:02 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 17:08:20 -!- ianmcorvidae [n=ianmcorv@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:09:17 hi, i was wondering if there was some specific reason as to why (car nil) evaluates to nil? 17:09:24 -!- lemoinem [n=swoog@modemcable065.189-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:09:50 -!- Guest62336 [n=lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 17:10:26 minion: !seen fxr 17:10:26 fxr was last seen 5y6m14d32h43m10s ago, saying "minion: when are you going to support seen?" 17:10:36 lo 17:10:38 htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.225.35] has joined #lisp 17:10:38 l 17:11:55 leadnose_: history. 17:12:34 that's what I was thinking :) I wonder would it break something if it raised an error instead? 17:12:41 -!- silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has quit [] 17:13:06 about 40 years' worth of code 17:13:19 apart from that, practically nothing 17:13:24 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:14:00 lemoinem [n=swoog@modemcable065.189-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:14:24 -!- ignas [n=ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:14:41 Xof: not 50? What was LISP 1.5's behaviour? 17:15:09 mathrick: at the time the standard was ratified. 17:15:28 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:15:31 ah, if you read it this way 17:15:40 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:16:14 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:18:45 laynor [n=laynor@93.107.86.56] has joined #lisp 17:18:50 -!- laynor_ [n=laynor@93.107.143.231] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:19:15 leadnose_: http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/lisp/Scheme-Ballad.text 17:20:10 zooleen [n=zooleen@91.207.225.4] has joined #lisp 17:20:30 -!- jsoft [n=user@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Success] 17:21:26 (cond ((assq key a-list) => cdr)) 17:21:29 is that T3? 17:21:35 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:21:49 Greetings to all! Tell how to fulfil 2 operations simultaneously? ((* a a) (- n 1))? 17:22:12 -!- yvdriess [n=Beef@134.184.43.185] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:23:02 yvdriess [n=Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 17:23:31 spage [n=shawnpag@rrcs-70-62-96-98.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:23:31 saikat_ [n=saikat@c-98-210-13-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:37 -!- zooleen [n=zooleen@91.207.225.4] has left #lisp 17:23:41 -!- Hun [n=Hun@p4FD3C974.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:23:42 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-227-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:24:13 zooleen: you probably mean (values (* a a) (- n 1)) if you want to return that from a function, or (progn (* a a) (- n 1)) if you simply want to perform two things in sequence 17:24:34 note however that the second form isn't very useful as (* a a) has no side-effects 17:24:47 so apart from potentially burning some CPU, it does nothing 17:28:02 leadnose_: It's useful if you have multiple step forms which depend on each other; you don't have to special case. 17:31:02 sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 17:34:07 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 17:36:08 *luis* gets some gencgc speedups out of... sheer luck? http://student.dei.uc.pt/~lmoliv/est/speedup-vp.ps heh 17:37:06 -!- yvdriess [n=Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:37:08 O.o 17:37:11 nice, luis (: 17:37:15 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:38:13 I'll have to analyse my changes to see what I did because I wasn't trying to speed anything up. :) 17:38:57 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:23 -!- nathandelane [i=ccf68a04@gateway/web/freenode/x-bngclwnszhyspcpc] has left #lisp 17:40:03 *lichtblau* wonders what the chart would look like for the "GC disabled entirely" benchmark 17:40:22 All I can think of is that I changed it to set FPs only once and the pointer scavengers aren't going through scavtab. 17:40:47 lichtblau: what do you mean? 17:42:21 oh, I should have mentioned that the speedup pertains to GC-time only. 17:43:11 yeah, sorry, should have been obvious to me anyway had I considered the tremendous speedup factors 17:44:04 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:45:56 nice .. does this mean we can go crazy with weak pointers and weak hash-tables? :) 17:46:06 cl-ppcre for instance: 9.433s non-gc time, 1.147s gc time. 17:46:11 lnostdal: not related. 17:46:19 pkhuong, aw :} 17:46:29 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 17:46:30 still nice though :) 17:46:36 lnostdal: I don't think any of those benchmarks use weak data structures. 17:46:37 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:49:38 skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has joined #lisp 17:51:37 LiamH pasted "bad file descriptor" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/86079 17:52:24 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 17:54:43 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has quit ["restart"] 17:56:08 -!- spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-47-39.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:56:14 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:56:37 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:56:47 is something changing *standard-output*? 17:57:15 err, input 17:57:27 shouldn't be, no 17:57:49 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 17:57:58 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 18:00:03 what system? 18:03:35 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 18:03:44 CL system is my own. 18:04:56 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 18:05:17 skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has joined #lisp 18:06:12 -!- blitz_ [n=blitz@141.76.6.131] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:06:32 I should add that I am trying to have a co-worker run my software, so I am logged in as him and it is compiling from source files I own. 18:06:49 -!- Demosthenes [n=demo@12.0.194.56] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:12:02 -!- kenjin_che [n=kenjin@163.152.180.197] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:12:02 i get that error after (sb-posix:close 0) 18:12:21 trying to close stdin? 18:14:44 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6F5F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:15:00 just closing? 18:15:56 Closing anything does it? 18:16:23 bps [i=alvin@66.254.115.118] has joined #lisp 18:16:24 -!- xan_ is now known as xan-afk 18:17:21 i don't know, but it errors also after trying to exit debugger 18:17:25 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:17:49 -!- kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 18:18:13 As I recall, this happened to me once before and I was told "we fixed that, get the new " and indeed it fixed it. 18:18:21 new SBCL 18:18:48 but I've been using this version of SBCL for a while without problems 18:19:35 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 18:19:46 though, i can easily (quit) 18:20:01 Oh, good to know 18:20:19 there might be other ways to screw descriptor 18:25:22 LiamH: I'd definitely try a newer SBCL first. 18:25:43 lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:26:59 looking into using usocket, but found out it doesn't do unix domain sockets. wondering why... is it because in the other (I use SBCL) supported lisps there is no easy unix domain socket support? 18:27:12 because this post: http://www.mail-archive.com/usocket-devel@common-lisp.net/msg00076.html seems to imply it's trivial for SBCL... 18:27:55 -!- mtd [n=martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:28:06 and the response there seems to be, 'oh, great, we'll include that', but in the current usocket it's still not there (and that's a thread from aug 2008) 18:32:35 mtd [n=martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:48 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit ["Computer has gone to sleep"] 18:32:55 perhaps it's in H4ns' bknr tree? 18:33:20 proview [i=proview@89.180.29.60] has joined #lisp 18:33:34 -!- proview [i=proview@89.180.29.60] has left #lisp 18:37:41 hmmm... I got the git clone.. where would the bknr tree be? 18:38:11 thijso: iolib supports unix sockets, IIRC. 18:39:43 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:40:06 -!- lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:43:20 -!- kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:43:30 luis: yeah, came across that, but I'm not entirely sure how usocket and iolib relate. 18:43:48 -!- okflo [n=user@91-115-81-67.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 18:43:55 and usocket docs seem simpler... 18:44:51 or maybe just not as well documented, maybe 18:44:57 thijso: usocket wraps the various Lisp's APIs. iolib calls the OS directly through FFI. 18:45:18 aha... 18:45:20 in some ways, that's like the approaches taken by uffi and cffi 18:45:41 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:46:14 so I should probably look at iolib then, hmmm? As I'm looking to use both unix as inet sockets... 18:46:21 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 18:46:57 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:59 thijso: what are you using unix sockets for? 18:47:03 thijso: if usocket doesn't have unix sockets and you need portability, I guess that's your best shot. 18:48:58 I'm playing around with a sphinx search api 18:49:14 mostly just a direct translation of the provided python one 18:49:29 doing a sphinx for CL? 18:49:36 yeah 18:50:14 oh, I'm confusing that name with something else. How does that relate to montezuma? 18:50:36 montezuma? dunno, don't know what montezuma is/does... 18:50:53 minion: montezuma? 18:50:54 montezuma: Montezuma is a text search engine for Common Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/montezuma 18:50:57 Failure: with-compilation-unit.impure.lisp / (WITH-COMPILATION-UNIT GENERIC-FUNCTION) 18:51:01 yeah, I see. 18:51:02 anyone else getting that on git head? 18:51:12 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 18:51:19 but not really.. this is just the api to the searchd sphinx daemon 18:51:29 thijso: ah, ok. 18:52:31 -!- DakeDesu is now known as KatrinaTheLamia 18:53:09 lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 18:54:15 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:54:39 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 18:55:08 tcr: compiling 18:55:22 scottmaccal1 [n=scott@sentry3.jayschools.org] has joined #lisp 18:55:31 -!- scottmaccal [n=scott@sentry3.jayschools.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:56:34 luis: It's a regression introduced by me :) 18:57:33 roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 18:57:51 tcr: locally or in SBCL's tree? 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I would like to find a concise to the point explanation of CLOS (just the strict essentials with straight examples 19:35:53 -!- hohum [n=dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has quit ["brb"] 19:36:05 francogrex: PCL does a good job, IIRC. 19:36:11 francogrex: have you tried that? 19:36:18 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 19:36:45 luis: PCL is good, but still goes into theory more than I need. 19:36:45 concise doesn't mean comprehensive 19:36:52 i liked Keene's book 19:37:02 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 19:37:58 AMOP is theory oriented, i guess 19:38:52 francogrex: hey, send it to me. I'll let you know what I think about it. 19:39:42 keene's book is slim 19:40:11 about 300 pages is slim? 19:40:19 It's a small book 19:40:22 300 pages is nothing 19:40:25 doesn't start examples until at least chapter 3 19:41:27 and it's about locks! come one, give me something i can relate to 19:41:41 You're not into bondage? 19:41:53 bakkdoor [n=bakkdoor@xdslct130.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:12 tcr: not yet, you are? 19:42:47 you know there is a channel called #math-seminars 19:43:10 maybe wouldn't be a bad idea to have #Common-Lisp-Seminars 19:43:31 who would pay? 19:43:32 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:43:40 francogrex: 300 pages is quite slim. keene is a slender, light book that can be consumed quickly and easily. it's a great way to learn CLOS. 19:43:55 stassats: the #matg is volunteers 19:44:16 we need to consider the vital segment of the community with an attention span less than or equal to that of a newt's 19:44:27 so keene for practical clos, amop for theoretical? 19:44:42 and for MOP 19:44:50 okay 19:45:31 another question: anyone works in a regulatory environment here? 19:45:57 I think we had that discussion already 19:46:17 fgtech^ [n=fgtech@host94-170-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:46:39 -!- fgtech^ [n=fgtech@host94-170-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #lisp 19:46:57 no we din't, because you don't know what I'm gonna ask next 19:48:09 regulatory agencies accept only validated softwares and also the procedures must be validated 19:48:17 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-58-31-104.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:28 -!- ryepup [n=ryepup@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:48:36 Krystof: herep 19:48:44 francogrex: less theory, please 19:48:46 gigamonkey: the new vecto doesn't have that clip-path bug 19:48:47 for example the SAS institute has to validate all macros procs etc 19:48:51 (append '(1 2 3) 4 ) yields (1 2 3 . 4). Is there a function which returns (1 2 3 4)? 19:48:55 francogrex: google for "clos class change", the hit "fundamentals of clos" is my personal favorite clos quickguide. 19:49:14 slash_: (append list (list 4)) 19:49:14 lhz: thanks Xach: cool. 19:49:19 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:53 stassats: Well yes I'm aware of that, but I actually want to avoid a list-call for a single element. 19:49:54 ok; can we consider in your views that since lisp is ANSI compliant, that it is already a validated system? 19:50:10 slash_: why? it's dead slow anyway 19:50:11 gigamonkey: hi 19:50:18 I'm gonna try to sell *that* to the FDA 19:50:48 slash_: You can't 19:50:57 *sigh* 19:51:40 isn't the ANSI an official regulatory body 19:51:44 Krystof: so I just threw the "Foner number" on the graph http://www.gigamonkeys.com/caw-sales-ranks.png 19:51:45 Well thank you anyway. 19:51:47 The red line. 19:51:57 francogrex: No. 19:52:18 Xach: damn! why not? 19:52:30 i looled at their site 19:52:35 looked 19:52:58 lisp is not a system 19:53:03 gigamonkey: and left-hand scale? I'd divide the left-hand scale by seven, myself (you have a daily chart, but the sales were expressed as per-week) 19:53:26 "As the voice of the U.S. standards..." 19:53:29 Yeah. Or even by (* 7 24) since each data point is an hour. 19:54:43 francogrex: regulation and standardization are two different activities 19:54:55 francogrex: ANSI is concerned with the latter 19:55:09 drake^ [n=drake@92-249-244-94.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 19:55:14 stassats: it's a language, just like SAS is (well sAS comes with it's unique software) 19:55:26 loxs [n=loxs@78.90.124.182] has joined #lisp 19:55:27 Xach: i see 19:56:08 language is an abstract, what you gonna sell? 19:56:27 Krystof: so now I threw the mean of the Foner data points on. So in theory that line shows the mean sales per week, right, per the left-hand scale. 19:57:23 So after all my obsessing, I'm talking about 60 books. ;-) 19:57:27 syamajala [n=syamajal@97-95-190-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:57:30 stassats: not really "sell", just try to convinve FDA inspectors that all programs i ansi cl are already sorta validated 19:58:28 on what are you going to run your prorams? 19:58:47 gigamonkey: I don't understand your fear. You've written this book about experts, who for people like us are heros and would like to know about their lives, theur ways etc... your book will sell well to people like us. 19:59:06 Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:24 seb- [n=seb@li30-51.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:59:30 stassats: I'll chose one implementation of course 19:59:34 hmm 19:59:45 francogrex: Right. But the question is, how many people like us are there? 20:00:02 Anyway, I'm not fearful. I'm hopeful. 20:00:08 gigamonkey: many; not all come to forums 20:00:21 a lisp program/file is a bunch of expressions right?. (...) (...) (...), etc. is there some nitpicky rule that says each expression has to be separated by whitespace?..or is (..)(..)(..) ok? 20:00:21 or chat rooms etc 20:00:37 seb-: they don't have to be separated by whitespace. 20:00:43 No nitpicky rule. Just programmers with taste. ;- 20:00:45 seb-: the Law of Good Taste suggests it 20:00:46 ;-) 20:00:49 *gigamonkey* wins! 20:00:53 ah ok thanks 20:01:22 and blank lines, etc. 20:01:32 seb-: The reader is programmable. Characters have a "terminating" property which determines whether a character initiates a new token or not 20:02:03 trc: though technically I don't think that comes into play with #\) 20:02:05 should CLISP not fail any ansi tests? 20:02:05 Welcome to G 20:02:08 oops 20:02:42 dmiles_afk: is there any lisp that passes all ansi tests? 20:02:56 stassats: are you suggesting that the implementations themselves have to be validated/standardized rather than the language? 20:03:03 luis: oops i was going to paste the failures ;P 20:03:24 the number .. but it wast yet compeleted.. so dont know the numbers (early paiste) 20:03:40 francogrex: i don't know what are regulations, but common sense suggests that to me 20:03:52 luis: ABCL only fails 28 ofr the 27000 20:04:02 compiled or interpreted? 20:04:07 interpreted 20:04:18 but compiled should be the same the last i checked 20:04:36 luis: clisp failed at least 200 it looks like before stack dumping 20:04:49 with -ansi? 20:04:51 gigamonkey: It does. #\( looks for ), but it does not look for the character #\) but the "token" ) 20:04:54 stassats: hmm; you have a point there, and Xach mentioned regulatory =! standardization anyways... damn what next? 20:04:58 oops cool its still runing n/m .. it was just a debug info the stack dump 20:05:06 gigamonkey: Otherwise '(a b \) c) would not work 20:05:38 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:05:45 <_3b> tcr: actually, i read it as looking for the character, but only if it isn't part of another token (same effect though) 20:05:47 tcr: good point. 20:06:13 clisp 405 out of 21691 total tests failed: 20:06:35 abcl 28 out or 27011 total tests failed: 20:06:43 <_3b> (at least assuming #\( uses read-delimited-list) 20:07:03 luis: i am trying to get ABCL to less than 5 20:07:17 yeah but thats what i am wondering if any pass all 20:07:35 dmiles_afk: what about sbcl? ecl? any idea? 20:07:59 dmiles_afk: I was under impression that no Lisp passed them all, but I haven't checked it myself. 20:08:14 isn't the ansi test suite rather old? is it really representative of good compliance? 20:08:35 francogrex: it's certainly not older than the standard, heh. 20:08:35 dmiles_afk: did you run clisp with "-ansi" option? 20:08:47 stassats: hehe good thinking 20:09:16 trying now 20:09:28 luis: i know, but what i'm saying that even if one passed them all, how do we know the test is rigorous enough to not let some slip? 20:09:29 last i looked at sbcl several months ago.. it was pretty low.. but someone said that i had a wierd version or something 20:09:54 dmiles_afk: pretty low, meaning many failures? 20:10:10 was like 20-70 20:10:11 <_3b> francogrex: i wouldn't expect it to be 100% 20:11:03 well, there is no agreeble interpretation of CL standard to begin with 20:11:21 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:34 i'd like toi think ansi-tests are a sanity test.. but maybe not right assumption on my part 20:11:46 -!- drake^ [n=drake@92-249-244-94.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 20:11:48 <_3b> yeah, even if it were 100%, you'd still have lots of unspecified/implementation dependent behavior 20:11:53 francogrex: well, ansi-tests doesn't have 100% coverage if that's what you're asking. 20:12:04 <_3b> and lots of room for undefined behavior with non-fonforming programs 20:12:09 and pathnames! 20:12:31 yeah purposely left room for that.. but they left no room for failure i thought 20:12:54 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:13:04 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 20:13:04 well then a validated test suite (with a margin of acceptable error) has to be set in place first 20:13:06 ansi-tests basically gets you tests generated by and conforming to one smart person's interpretation of the bits of the standard that he found interpretable 20:13:25 who validates the validators, anyway? 20:13:33 what stassats suggested now am am runing with the clisp -ansi .. looks like a alot less failures this run 20:13:45 angry implementors, of course. 20:13:56 Krystof: a group; a committee, like the ansi group themselves if they're still alive 20:13:57 yeah, but we don't have rights of execution 20:14:01 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 20:14:04 implementations are tests for ansi-tests 20:14:06 francogrex: good luck with that 20:15:15 well they set the standard, they could also set a measure of adherence 20:15:21 <_3b> francogrex: you could always try asking the people who make corman lisp, they seem to do medical consulting, presumably using their lisp 20:15:34 i starting hacking a local java lisp to act more like CLISP i was hoping it was a good conformance, ouch its not :( 20:15:49 Jasko2 [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:50 _3b: you mean about validation for the FDA? 20:15:51 <_3b> francogrex: 'they could have' you mean, since they don't do anything any more (unless you have lots of money to spend on the project) 20:16:11 francogrex: not without opening themselves to all sorts of interesting lawsuits, they can't 20:16:15 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:16:24 ok stassats suggestion was good 256 out of 21691 total tests failed: 20:16:29 Krystof: lawsuits? why, 20:16:35 rouslan [n=Rouslan@pool-64-223-173-10.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:49 <_3b> francogrex: right, or the other commercial lisp vendors for that matter 20:17:09 went from 405 failure to 256 failures 20:17:22 francogrex: because if they say "your lisp isn't conforming" and a vendor says "Oh yes it is", only the courts can decide who is right 20:17:28 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@97-95-190-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:17:35 i guess sbcl might be a better rulestick 20:17:36 dmiles_afk: can you send me the tests, would like to see ecl zand sbcl... ist the one of paul dietz? 20:17:54 45 out of 21708 total tests failed on sbcl, tests from cl.net tree 20:18:16 41 on CCL 20:18:20 francogrex: i am using tests from cl.net tree 20:18:32 Krystof: well... then it's not encouraging 20:18:56 stassats: well sbcl is quite ok 20:18:56 francogrex: thats the one 20:19:22 legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-76-249.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:19:53 francogrex: http://www.cliki.net/GCL%20ANSI%20Test%20Suite 20:19:53 surely the ansi tests have varying degrees of importance/relevance no? 20:20:16 yeah for difrfernt platforms there are also a total diffent number of tests 20:20:17 -!- HG` [n=HG@xdslfc015.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:20:56 ansi-tests do help finding bugs, that's all 20:21:16 abcl runs less tests: 28 out of 21700 20:21:20 I can't download cvs. i don't have a program for that 20:21:35 *tcr* stopped bombing sbcl-devel 20:21:39 there are no recent tarballs 20:21:40 don't tell me; the cvs client isn't validated 20:21:55 francogrex: ok i'll zip you up one 20:21:59 Krystof: no we're not going that far 20:22:15 dmiles_afk; thanks would be good 20:22:31 send by dcc 20:23:21 *_3b* wonders on what platforms installing cvs takes longer than waiting for a tarball 20:23:31 a highly valid one 20:25:39 -!- ehird1 [n=root@91.105.81.57] has left #lisp 20:25:51 cure looks like my dcc send is timing out here 20:26:02 cure/cute 20:26:38 -!- crna_ofca [n=chatzill@alpha.linux.hr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:26:44 amnesiac_ [n=amnesiac@charanda.shochu.sandino.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:24 dmiles_afk: sorry didn't seem to work! 20:27:45 -!- Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74.dynamic.barak-online.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:27:54 _3b: not that but cvs on windows is a pain 20:28:23 ok put it up in a webmirror .. its has some *.abcl files bu only 3mb 20:28:30 -!- konr [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:28:35 ok got it.thx 20:28:38 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better the second time arround.. lessons learned 20:38:23 I can't wait 20:38:36 then help :) 20:38:53 syamajala [n=syamajal@97-95-190-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:39:06 well i sorta throwing it out there trolling for help in a way 20:40:45 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has left #lisp 20:40:59 my wife is dragging me away to fix a starter on a car.. but back in a couple hours 20:41:30 oh shes letting me wait for the ECL results 20:41:40 -!- nixor [n=nixor@cpc3-oxfd4-0-0-cust681.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:41:49 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@97-95-190-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:56 francogrex: have you stated them? .. from inside that base dirrecory just: (load "doit.lsp") 20:42:56 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@g229142116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["humhum"] 20:43:13 dmiles_afk: yesy they're ongoing 20:43:34 ur wife also tries to steal your PC time? 20:44:08 i want 16 hours day 7 days a wekk 20:44:20 -!- 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(no display etc needed) 21:20:51 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:20:51 http://groups.google.com/group/core-server/browse_thread/thread/ed1194185e87cd06 21:21:07 madnificent: walk in your town. Get a PC from the trash. Install Linux and lisp on it. 21:21:46 pjb`: nothing cheaper? Or at least more robust 21:21:57 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:22:09 call friends and assemble from left-over parts 21:22:37 I'm talking about new... is there anything cheaper than the atom? 21:22:45 aren't there things like an arm etc, which would be cheaper? 21:23:02 madnificent: do you mean cheaper in volume? 21:23:10 no, sadly not 21:23:20 madnificent: you can get a CPU new top-notch for less than 200 EUR. 21:23:24 or do you want *one* bare-bones system to stick in your network? 21:23:35 my mp3 player runs arm and rockbox, you can write a lisp for it 21:23:42 mogunus: hey! How's it going? :D 21:23:50 If you want less than 2GHz 2GB 200GB, you will have to go second hand. 21:23:57 madnificent: anything that supports i686/ppc/x86-64 and runs linux will work... 21:24:12 I'm making a quick study to see if it could be viable to put a lisp-managed engine-tuning system on a motorcycle I have (for fun, clearly) 21:24:26 beagleboard? 21:24:30 stassats: ecl? :) 21:24:36 madnificent: or clisp 21:24:40 scheme? 21:24:49 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 21:24:59 I prefer CL, but scheme would make me happy enough 21:25:04 madnificent: well, then there are monochip computers for a few dollars, you can put a lisp on them, but you will have to write it yourself (or that'll be a scheme). 21:25:13 that reminds me. Is there a link somewhere about the specifics of what troubles the ansi committee ran into when trying to split CL into a bunch of separate packages? 21:25:26 pjb`: some of them will run Clozure and possibly SBCL 21:25:29 did they try? 21:25:32 IIRC, only clisp runs on ARM 21:25:33 they did, yes 21:25:35 pjb`: would ecl run on something like that? 21:25:45 mogunus: ecl should run as well 21:25:55 madnificent: depends what kind of chip you get 21:25:57 not sure how seriously they took their efforts, but I know I've seen it mentioned in several places that they tried and couldn't 21:25:58 p_l: well, you need an OS then too 21:26:07 p_l: what should I search for? 21:26:11 madnificent: http://www.gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=220 21:26:11 konr__ [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has joined #lisp 21:26:14 google for "tiny 6-chip open computer runs linux" 21:26:25 pjb`: good point 21:26:35 $120. 21:26:46 It's rather high end... 21:26:51 gumstix modules are pretty cheap, and they have PWM outputs which would be useful for interfacing with the engine. 21:27:15 pjb`: buy a thousand, will be cheaper 21:27:22 madnificent: you can get usable SoCs devboards with PPC/ARM/MIPS on it 21:27:26 5V is perfect, I have a 6V power system (which fails on me from time to time), so I should be able to get 5 out of it :) 21:27:48 (what I linked to is a big package, http://www.gumstix.com/store/catalog/motherboards.php is an overview. sorry) 21:27:58 one diod should do 21:28:08 you can also try doing it like JPL - write code in CL that creates code that runs on the chip :D 21:28:24 p_l: LoL, yeah 21:28:29 s/diod/diode/ 21:28:37 if the pda would have decent outputs, I'd try to use that 21:29:38 madnificent: SoCs used in PDAs often have normal GPIO pins that are used to control parts of PDA's hardware - it's possible to use a similar devboard 21:29:41 -!- ryepup1 [n=ryepup@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has left #lisp 21:30:42 -!- konr [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:31:24 -!- amnesiac_ [n=amnesiac@charanda.shochu.sandino.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:31:27 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:31:28 -!- Odin-MAC is now known as Odin- 21:31:34 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@206.80.252.37] has quit [] 21:32:27 madnificent: Go to microchip.com They've got 32-bit PIC, with 32 KB of RAM and 512 KB of Flash. 21:32:57 konr [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has joined #lisp 21:33:37 Starter kit for $50. 21:33:46 francogrex [n=franco@91.179.247.12] has joined #lisp 21:33:56 wonder if toady will quote Fare about EVAL-WHEN 21:33:59 is toady still around? 21:34:26 -!- Witch_Doc [n=me@69.196.64.134] has left #lisp 21:34:31 I'm running the ansi-tests in sbcl and the irony is that sbcl is complaining about the non-compliance of the tests! 21:34:46 pjb`: and that would run ecl? 21:35:15 ecl is not stand alone, it needs gcc.. 21:35:31 damn 21:35:32 I would implement my own lisp in flash, optimized for the small heap. 21:35:56 ecl can be made to be standalone 21:35:58 *madnificent* finds that too much work, as it would be on top of creating an engine management system :) 21:36:07 you need gcc for compiling 21:36:28 true, for compiling 21:36:29 but you can compile into bytecode 21:36:37 yes 21:36:47 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:37:05 madnificent: maybe Forth? 21:37:30 stassats: ? 21:37:35 why? 21:37:55 it's very easy to implement 21:37:59 I'll try to get one of those old via boards somewhere, they can come cheap too 21:38:02 stassats: but it's not lisp 21:38:04 -!- konr [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:38:04 and it's compact 21:38:09 In any case, given small memory requirement, it'd be better to have a bytecode VM. 21:38:13 I don't want to implement a lanugage for it :) 21:38:31 konr [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has joined #lisp 21:38:42 Then spend thrice the price and go for the "tiny 6-chip open computer runs linux". 21:38:58 pjb`: yeah 21:39:01 It's an ARM, and clisp or ecl will run easily there. 21:39:20 kmcorbett [n=Keith@c-76-119-215-57.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:21 pjb`: my main concern about the first examples was that I couldn't easily fit a full-size computer in it :) 21:40:13 what's full size? 21:40:28 ibm roadrunner? 21:40:48 http://www.thelinuxstamp.com 21:40:52 stassats: mainly used for full-size atx, but I was actually hinting at anything of the atx range 21:40:59 including micro-atx 21:41:15 my sbcl couldn't even complete the tests: fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 1804:Heap exhausted, game over.Welcome to LDB, a low-level debugger for the Lisp runtime environment.ldb> 21:41:33 -!- krumholt__ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-103-239.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:41:39 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:41:56 well, you have exhausted heap 21:42:03 krumholt__ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-78-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 21:42:29 stassats: i didn't do anything, the test ran well on ecl, same machine 21:43:36 sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 21:43:54 pjb`: that's nice 21:43:57 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:44:17 serves sbcl right, he keeps complaining about style errors and such, cunt couldn't even go thru the test :p 21:44:55 francogrex: here's a euro, go get yourself another gig of memory 21:45:27 I'm saving money, i'm building a house for the kids 21:46:04 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:17 syamajala [n=syamajal@97-95-190-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:46:22 bytecolor [n=user@adsl-99-154-145-65.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:02 pjb`: with that board, I could configure it with a smartphone :P 21:48:06 -!- konr_ [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:48:51 Yes, anything that you can hook on a usb. 21:49:55 steampunkey [i=4e868dcf@gateway/web/freenode/x-yujhzsnyxjncaisr] has joined #lisp 21:50:51 -!- seb- [n=seb@li30-51.members.linode.com] has left #lisp 21:51:23 /msg specbot clhs 5.1.2.3 21:51:56 -!- tczy [n=tczy@78-60-36-72.static.zebra.lt] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:53:06 i'm curious. how do you parse big files (arbitrary parsable content) with lisp if you don't want stack to overflow. seems to me that a while loop would be a a far better solution than recursion. 21:53:22 Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has joined #lisp 21:53:33 *_3b* would use a parser lib, and assume it is smart enough to use whatever is appropriate 21:54:00 <_3b> in general though, i tend to use iteration more than recursion, unless i'm doing something obviously recursive 21:54:40 jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.129] has joined #lisp 21:54:51 hehe. that's another thing. I'm not familiar with any lisp libs. seems that's not lisp's strongest point. meanwhile I'm sure lisp coders use C and other libs from lisp on daily basis. 21:54:52 <_3b> usually LOOP loops rather than WHILE loops, since i don't want to define a WHILE 21:54:57 steampunkey: also, if you're stuck on using recursive syntax for that sort of thing, you can use tail call optimization. 21:55:13 ok done it this time: sbcl 70 out of 21707 total tests failed, that's not really good enough 21:55:23 <_3b> francogrex: good enough for what? 21:55:37 compared to ecl 21:55:45 francogrex: it's good enough for you to fix them 21:55:57 <_3b> steampunkey: cliki.net lists lots of libs 21:56:30 <_3b> (many of which call C, many which don't) 21:56:33 i said i am not familiar with any that is used by coders of other langs. 21:57:01 why would they? 21:57:18 well that is my question. 21:57:25 thelinuxstamp doesn't ship to europe? 21:57:50 <_3b> unless all the languages share a runtime, it usually isn't worth trying to share code between languages much higher level than C 21:57:54 does perl programmers use pythons libraries? 21:58:05 Only on Parrot. 21:58:21 Why would they if C is better. But you guys have a tendency to praise your lang, so gimme a reason why it's not used for generally available libs. 21:58:38 jcowan: non-existent programmers aren't very representative 21:58:41 <_3b> why is C better? 21:58:43 there's also another thing... 21:58:51 Parrot programmers exist. 21:59:02 steampunkey: are you a muslim? 21:59:14 steampunkey: (I mean nothing harsh by that, for the record) 21:59:16 SWIG 21:59:23 it is an inquiry like any other 21:59:31 jcowan: perl programmers on parrot? 21:59:52 madnificent: why would you say that (or ask for that matter)? 22:00:04 -!- konr__ [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:00:17 jcowan: do you know parrot lang deving perhaps? 22:00:17 steampunkey: well, the islam is the world's largest religion... does that mean they must be right regardless? 22:00:19 konr_ [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has joined #lisp 22:00:34 steampunkey: if you are, then I need to search for another example :P 22:00:55 i'm not, it's ok :-) 22:01:09 C is fast tho 22:01:12 wohoow, no need to search for something else :) 22:01:16 madnificent: well, if they cannot use USPS, the design is open, so you can do your own here (or have it done, or perhaps there's a European source). 22:01:30 I think Christianity is still marginally the world's biggest religion, though Islam is a lot more unified, of course 22:01:38 pjb`: I'm going to mail them, I'll see what comes out of it 22:01:53 -!- francogrex [n=franco@91.179.247.12] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:01:55 rsynnott: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece 22:01:55 rsynnott: right about Christianity, wrong about Islam. 22:02:03 steampunkey: it is used for general libraries. Have you used libecl recently from your C programs? 22:02:14 krumholt_ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-84-201.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:02:18 madnificent: that's if you call catholicism a religion 22:02:22 rsynnott: in any case, the idea stays the same :P 22:02:29 :) 22:02:38 pjb`: libecl? 22:02:43 *madnificent* will choose something else next time 22:02:53 steampunkey: http://ecls.sf.net 22:02:54 <_3b> steampunkey: compiled C code can be fast, writing C code might not be as fast 22:03:19 madnificent: In worldly terms, Catholicism is a subset of Christianity. 22:03:20 steampunkey: re what _3b says, have a look at http://cliki.net/Performance 22:03:30 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:03:44 steampunkey: yeah... can't say that I really looked at it thoroughly 22:03:48 *_3b* doesn't mean to imply that compiled lisp code isn't fast 22:04:33 <_3b> ah, i guess that link covers both aspects though :) 22:05:30 pjb`: can you give me a summary instead? :-P 22:06:13 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:06:22 konr__ [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has joined #lisp 22:07:45 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:09:49 steampunkey: of Performance? The summary is that development time is much much faster with lisp than with any other programming language, and that run-time is about the same, lisp being able to be as fast as C. 22:10:44 well, in principle :) 22:13:15 Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:26 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:15:10 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-76-104-2-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:16 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 22:15:47 -!- krumholt__ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-78-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:18:55 -!- plan9 [n=stian@arachnotron.sletner.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:18:56 dwh [n=dwh@eth2.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:42 -!- steampunkey [i=4e868dcf@gateway/web/freenode/x-yujhzsnyxjncaisr] has left #lisp 22:21:44 -!- konr_ [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:23:57 -!- grouzen [n=grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit ["leaving"] 22:26:48 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:30:28 -!- konr [n=konrad@201.82.141.180] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:31:01 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 22:35:07 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:52 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit ["brb"] 22:38:54 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-252-61.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 22:43:01 -!- alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:44:26 -!- dv_ [n=dv@85-127-111-103.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 22:44:42 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:44:47 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@97-95-190-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Leaving..."] 22:46:37 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 22:46:43 -!- segv [n=mb@p4FC1BFE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:49:35 LiamH [n=nobody@pool-72-75-105-177.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:51 seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:53:00 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-76-104-2-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:54:14 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:54:33 ltriant [n=ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:57:59 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:58:01 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:59:48 MYNICK [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:00:11 -!- hadronzoo [n=user@ppp-70-251-128-236.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:00:13 -!- MYNICK is now known as Guest59296 23:01:32 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-136-114.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:02:14 dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:20 -!- Guest59296 [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:02:42 seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:02:55 -!- bytecolor [n=user@adsl-99-154-145-65.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 23:03:10 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-rvjfkicjsfxbgvqy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:04:25 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:04:57 seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:04:57 -!- seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:05:16 how can i split a multi-line string into a list of lines? 23:05:26 is there a with-input-from-string? 23:05:28 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:29 cl-ppcre 23:05:31 seangrove [n=user@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:38 yay! 23:05:45 minion: split-sequence 23:05:45 split-sequence: SPLIT-SEQUENCE (formerly known as PARTITION) is a member of the Common Lisp Utilities family of programs, designed by community consensus. http://www.cliki.net/split-sequence 23:06:19 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:06:35 ,sexp 23:07:22 dto: there is also a with-input-from-string 23:07:56 klepparii [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 23:08:12 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-sfkjtzeexuemhwod] has joined #lisp 23:09:36 Xach: i think i got it :) 23:09:38 thank you 23:09:49 (with-input-from-string (stream string) 23:09:49 (loop for line = (read-line stream nil) 23:09:49 while line collect line))) 23:11:52 yeah., works :) 23:12:44 spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-47-39.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:15:16 krumholt__ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-72-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 23:16:40 -!- krumholt_ [n=krumholt@port-92-193-84-201.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:16:48 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:17:48 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:18:56 ausente [n=user5442@189-19-125-6.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 23:20:44 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:21:57 -!- ausente [n=user5442@189-19-125-6.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Client Quit] 23:22:06 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B2DB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:34 -!- timor [n=martin@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:23:34 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 23:24:19 -!- s0ber_ [n=s0ber@114-45-227-185.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:25:32 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 23:26:02 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@71-20-35-99.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:28:45 s0ber [i=pie@118-160-168-204.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:45 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:34:25 -!- Yuuhi` [i=benni@p5483BE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:34:42 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 23:35:14 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:36:10 -!- manuel___ [n=manuel@pD9E6F5F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:36:26 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:36:26 -!- milanj [n=milan@79.101.79.254] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:36:40 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Client Quit] 23:37:22 Is there an ASDF function to get the full path of a file based on the system and module? 23:37:34 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 23:38:54 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 23:39:34 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:24 LiamH: asdf:component-pathname 23:41:44 slyrus_: sounds promising 23:43:40 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:43:41 (asdf:component-pathname (asdf:find-component (asdf:find-system 'cl-ppcre) "packages")) 23:44:19 -!- Symmetry- [n=thezog@host-static-92-114-165-252.moldtelecom.md] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:44:40 To avoid typing so many asdf:find-component's and asdf:find-system's I rigged up an asdf-lookup-path with an ad-hoc asdf uri scheme so that I can do: (ch-asdf:asdf-lookup-path "asdf:/cl-bio/io/utilities") 23:50:02 -!- p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:52:32 p8m [n=user@mattlimech.com] has joined #lisp 23:53:50 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [] 23:53:52 I wrote a little utility a while ago to find an arbitrary component and it turns out I used asdf:component-pathname. I guess I was hoping for something built-in that would take me directly there, like what slyrus_ has. 23:54:23 slyrus_: nice 23:57:43 http://paste.lisp.org/+1UFT 23:58:26 -!- jcowan [n=jcowan@72.14.228.129] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:58:29 Is there a way to group expressions in clppcre without storing them? 23:58:51 *stassats* wouldn't use regexps for this 23:59:16 In the function above I need to do 3 checks because I cant find the (?: ...) operator 23:59:58 stassats: why not? It greatly simpifies verifying the syntax and dealing with optional entries