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truth and absurdity."] 05:47:11 oh lovely. My SSE patch fails to build on darwin/x86-64 with threads (but not without threads or on linux) 05:52:23 Good morning. 05:52:46 pkhuong: does it run any code with SSE during build? 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Seems it doesn't cover the real world 06:26:40 Ragnaroek [i=8f5df914@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a6c6c8e968b39557] has joined #lisp 06:26:54 <_3b> without paredit mode, #+() in a new buffer is enough to break it for me 06:27:22 <_3b> not getting stuck in loops is an improvement though i think :) 06:27:44 -!- dwave [n=ask@062249178039.customer.alfanett.no] has quit ["Be back later"] 06:28:27 _3b: oh that does get me stuck in an infinite loop 06:28:50 what crap! 06:28:58 <_3b> i get a message about it prevented an infinite loop from that one 06:29:24 -!- xan-afk is now known as xan 06:30:00 _3b: It should contain a backtrace 06:30:08 right? 06:30:16 <_3b> yeah, i think so 06:30:45 could you paste the whole message please? 06:30:48 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-24-149.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:30:59 <_3b> yeah, just a sec.. i'll paste my other test case also 06:31:54 for productive use you should revert yesterday's changes 06:32:33 _3b pasted "slime fontification infinite loop backtrace" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80124 06:33:03 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:33:46 of no help, I'll have to debug it later 06:34:15 _3b: what's the other test case? 06:34:18 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:34:25 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:34:28 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:34:35 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 06:34:38 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 06:37:09 _3b annotated #80124 "test case 2" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80124#1 06:37:27 -!- nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:37:32 nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:38:14 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(Connection timed out)] 07:47:10 rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 07:47:18 Kent Pitman is back on comp.lang.lisp 07:47:29 is that a good thing? 07:47:35 sure is. 07:47:46 Time to ask perhaps about logical pathnames.. 07:49:16 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:49:55 -!- oleomargarine [n=agis@cpe-24-198-28-3.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:50:04 shelducks [n=agis@cpe-24-198-28-3.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:50:08 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:49 sykopomp: Kent Pitman lead the ANSI Common Lisp comittie from 1990 to the standard was released in 1994. 07:52:22 younder: yes, but when anything is mentioned about someone being in c.l.l., I assume they also happen to be trolls. 07:52:47 lol 07:53:42 -!- ia__ [n=ia@89.169.189.230] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:53:42 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:53:54 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:43 ia__ [n=ia@89.169.189.230] has joined #lisp 07:58:11 do you have a citation to back up your claim that he lead the committee? 07:58:45 Not off hand, but I suppose I could look it up. 07:59:35 nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:40 in other words, "no, you don't" 07:59:54 http://www.faqs.org/faqs/lisp-faq/part4/section-10.html 08:00:09 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:00:54 I just know it.. 08:01:47 hyperpsec says he was project editor. Don't think that means he led it :) 08:02:30 Never the less he did. 08:03:10 The first was Guy Steele, but he retired in 1990. 08:03:29 (from the committie) 08:03:56 jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 08:05:41 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/doc/history/cl.txt 08:06:01 Good morning. 08:06:08 hello spiaggia 08:06:13 in all it's gory detail 08:06:23 -!- nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:09:40 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:09:51 Both the CLtL2 acknowledgements and the X3J13 Wikipedia entry state clearly that the chair of the subcommittee was someone else, which subcommittee KMP actually chaired, and what his other contributions were. 08:14:10 At the time of CLtL2 in 1988 Guy Steele was still head. 08:14:56 sqvirt [n=sqvirt@66.191.8.243] has joined #lisp 08:17:24 question: This site: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/lisp-faq/part5/section-8.html Lists common CLOS blunders. I've been trying to figure out why the examples F and G are blunders. Clearly there is something that I don't understand about the way CLOS works, because it seems to me that it shouldn't matter which order the parameters are in beyond the fact that (defmethod) will specialize the function based on the argument types in a different order. It seems to me 08:17:24 that it shouldn't matter. What am I missing? 08:20:04 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:26 F and G are about SETF functions. 08:20:42 When you write (SETF (AREA SQ) FOO), the function (SETF AREA) is called with FOO and SQ in this order. If you don't write the defmethod arguments in that order, it won't work. 08:20:42 because the way setf functions work is (defun (setf foo) (new-value target)) 08:21:56 sqvirt: this applies to :writer because the method :writer generates is (defmethod slotname (new-value ((obj my-obj)))) 08:23:22 loz- [n=loz@21.176.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:25:09 -!- drafael1 [n=tapio@ip-118-90-142-70.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 08:25:23 Ogedei [n=user@78.52.235.125] has joined #lisp 08:25:27 ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.101.94] has joined #lisp 08:25:33 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 08:25:57 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-166-65.static.vologda.ru] has quit ["I wish the toaster to be happy, too."] 08:27:50 OK, so (defun (setf foo) (new-value target)) would result in a function that would typically be called like (setf target new-value), so the blunder comes simply from the fact that the definition of the function has the parameters in the opposite order. 08:28:04 yes 08:28:35 it's not so much a CLOS blunder as it is a function definition blunder :) 08:29:04 What's with the order of setf functions anyway? 08:29:07 OK, that makes sense. 08:29:34 thanks everyone 08:29:50 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 08:30:07 tic: I have -no- idea. I'm not entirely sure how to find it in the hyperspec, either. 08:30:26 bob_f [n=bob@unaffiliated/bob-f/x-6028553] has joined #lisp 08:30:44 *p_l* wonders if Express Windows would compile on modern CL implementation... 08:31:09 -!- Fuufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:31:48 just curious -- is it possible to define setf functions that take more than 1 parameter in addition to the target? Like: (defun (setf blah) (arg1 arg2 arg3 target)) 08:32:26 I mean, using defun without substantial additional contortions. 08:33:18 aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:34:30 sqvirt: probably won't work how you expect it to. 08:34:44 p_l: unless it has been updated in the last couple years, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. When I looked, it used funky cltl1 character features, for instance. 08:34:45 aunwork [n=aunwork@mail.ionicsoft.com] has joined #lisp 08:34:59 beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-18-209.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:35:40 sqvirt: you can define setf expanders to be used like this: (setf (foo arg1 arg2 ... argn) (values val1 val2 ... valn)) 08:35:47 delqna_ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-18-209.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:36:43 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:37:59 hefner: pity 08:38:58 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 08:39:11 -!- delqna__ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-119-181.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:39:26 sykopomp: OK. I guess, upon thinking about it a bit more, that I would expect that the gods of Lisp would have used that part of the convention space to do something that couldn't be done trivially in some other way, like, for instance, making the one non-target parameter a list. 08:40:00 it makes no sense to me that new-value goes in the first place of the lambda list 08:40:05 :| 08:40:33 p_l: maybe, but you may as well use mcclim as that 08:41:09 sykopomp: where'd it go with &optional and &key parameters? 08:41:43 me either. I think I should do that excersize where one creates a Lisp out of the 7 orthogonal proto-functions or however many there are.. It seems like I would understand better how some of these things work. 08:41:52 stassats: in the second place. (setf foo) requires at least two arguments anyways 08:42:01 hefner: it was an exercise in software archeology :) 08:42:22 (defmethod (setf foo) ((obj my-class) new-value &key hey) ... do stuff ...) 08:42:31 sykopomp: you can do (setf (foo) bar) 08:42:32 I don't see what your point is :\ 08:43:14 I'm confused now. It's 4:45am. 08:43:20 so, the first argument is the only sane way 08:43:26 fe[nl]ix: Does defining an expander like that still allow you to do whatever you want with those parameters in any order you want, or is is more like an implied (mapcar) situation? 08:43:54 hm 08:43:59 I think I see what you mean. 08:44:05 well, it's good to know that there's a good reason for it. 08:44:18 now... is there a good reason for elt/nth? ;D 08:44:19 I wonder if garnet can be considered to have passed into the realm of the archaelogical at this point 08:44:28 sykopomp: historical 08:44:31 anyways, bedtime 08:44:36 goodnight, #lisp 08:45:48 goodnight 08:45:54 thanks for the help, too 08:47:20 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 08:47:21 well, there's one piece of lisp that is certainly *prehistoric* if not older ;-) 08:48:14 format has roman numerals printing? 08:48:34 Yes. 08:48:40 clhs ~R 08:48:40 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_cba.htm 08:48:52 that wasn't a question question 08:49:01 It had a question mark. 08:49:19 i was asking about *prehistoric* piece of lisp 08:49:30 IMHO nothing beats 'eralis' when it comes to age - got ripped out asap :D 08:49:39 Well, then the answer is no, since Roman is clearly historic. 08:50:43 then eralis is historic too 08:51:03 -!- beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-119-181.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:51:25 eralis iirc didn't make it into 1.5, did it? 08:53:00 Indeed, eralis doesn't occur in the sources of LISP 1.5. 08:53:18 (it may have been kept in a library). 08:53:59 -!- rjack [n=rjack@adsl-ull-234-19.51-151.net24.it] has quit ["leaving"] 08:54:48 it was for manual memory deallocation, before GC got implemented 08:55:37 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:57:15 In LISP 1.5, the 'garbagge collector' was called 'RECLAM'. 08:57:29 It was coded on 1 MARCH 1961 09:00:20 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:01:12 hmm, slime hung emacs again 09:03:14 and i was able to reproduce it 09:05:28 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@160.80.111.120] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06:23 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:10:58 -!- sohum [n=sohum@unaffiliated/sohum] has left #lisp 09:14:16 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 09:15:44 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:21:33 -!- pinterface [n=pinterfa@knvl-static-09-0024.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has left #lisp 09:24:32 Vegan [n=sdfpme@125.93.104.133] has joined #lisp 09:33:09 schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 09:33:34 matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has joined #lisp 09:34:32 -!- dv___ [n=dv@85-127-119-187.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 09:35:07 -!- sqvirt [n=sqvirt@66.191.8.243] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:40:27 -!- schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:40:42 tcr annotated #80124 "for _3b, try this and report back by annoting this paste, please" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80124#3 09:46:34 -!- Vegan [n=sdfpme@125.93.104.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:47:15 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:51:22 drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-143-4.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:55:04 fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6D376.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:55:09 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6D376.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:00:02 Edward__ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-36-158.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:01:44 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:01:56 -!- The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:02:07 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:54 dwave [n=ask@213.236.208.247] has joined #lisp 10:10:28 dwave_ [n=ask@pat-tdc.opera.com] has joined #lisp 10:10:37 drafael1 [n=tapio@ip-118-90-143-50.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 10:10:53 blast_hardcheese [n=blast_ha@dsl092-043-124.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 10:11:34 -!- dwave [n=ask@213.236.208.247] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:13:23 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-143-4.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:18:29 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit ["Somebody booted me"] 10:19:16 -!- loz- [n=loz@21.176.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:23:42 thomas__ [n=thomas@44-249.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:23:51 -!- The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 10:24:02 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:24:07 -!- thomas__ is now known as Joreji 10:25:53 attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-0-198.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 10:27:20 Vegan [n=sdfpme@125.93.104.133] has joined #lisp 10:28:44 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 10:31:43 -!- segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has quit [] 10:31:45 -!- danlei [n=user@pD9E2D054.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ein guter Abgang ziert die Übung."] 10:32:04 danlei [n=user@pD9E2D054.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:33:03 -!- ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.101.94] has left #lisp 10:33:14 segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 10:37:09 _YKY_ [i=YKY@119.237.170.51] has joined #lisp 10:37:19 -!- _YKY_ [i=YKY@119.237.170.51] has left #lisp 10:41:48 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181133132.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:42:50 good afternoon 10:44:02 hi nikodemus 10:47:49 -!- segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has quit [] 10:51:59 |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:53:17 -!- aquagnu [n=aquagnu@85.118.228.172] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/"] 11:02:29 -!- saikat [n=saikat@69.181.127.247] has quit [] 11:06:57 -!- BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 11:10:32 what would be the best way to have an easily accessible register of objects when storing those objects somewhere outside the register? 11:10:52 not very functional, alternative ways of doing things very much welcomed 11:10:53 -!- Ragnaroek [i=8f5df914@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a6c6c8e968b39557] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 11:15:36 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 11:15:55 Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483B83F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:21:23 -!- |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:22:27 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 11:27:51 -!- ignas [n=ignas@78.59.166.221] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:28:38 ignas [n=ignas@78.59.166.221] has joined #lisp 11:29:59 drafael1: i don't understand the question 11:31:08 drafael1, what is "register", specifically? 11:31:37 hmm 11:31:49 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-85b4ded30fa12f94] has left #lisp 11:32:08 a way of accessing the objects - I've come from C so like an array of pointers? 11:32:59 probably the wrong word to use but that's how I've come to think of it :| 11:33:31 What's wrong with lists? Oh, you need O(1) access? Then you should have specified your access patterns and data structure purpose in a more conciese manner. 11:33:50 say I had a class which had a class slot, and I wanted each member of that class to be able to access through this slot each other member 11:34:55 drafael1: Overwrite CLASS-OF method to point to a dynamic variable, which holds a hash table of available objects? 11:35:20 drafael1: in lisp, when a variable contains an object, it's really like a C pointer already. 11:35:22 what does CLASS-OF have to do with this? 11:35:29 Hrm... Actually, every class can point to same hash table object as well. 11:35:36 drafael1: access each other member by what condition? 11:35:43 what key, what lookup information? 11:35:47 how should they be indexed? 11:36:01 doesn't the standard not guarantee whether something will be copied or referred to? 11:36:07 or do you just want to access 'each other instance' every time? 11:36:16 drafael1: no, except for things where it doesn't matter 11:36:44 characters and numbers, specifically, may be copied randomly; all else is not 11:36:51 sorry, what does that 'no' mean? no it doesn't guarantee that? or no it does? 11:37:05 |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:37:05 oh! well that helps a lot 11:37:24 The CL standard does not give any permission to copy (in the sense of one mutable object becoming two independent copies) objects automatically 11:38:23 -!- Edward__ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-36-158.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["« La POO c'est bien beau, mais en C au moins on va droit au but. »"] 11:38:29 okay, cool 11:38:35 thanks :) 11:38:54 -!- Jasko2 [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:38:56 jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 11:39:32 jophish [n=jophish@dial-80-47-3-226.access.uk.tiscali.com] has joined #lisp 11:39:53 drafael1: have you used python, smalltalk, javascript, Java, or Lua? it's the same basic model 11:40:16 you have objects which are each definitely distinct from each other, and can freely pass around arbitrarily many references to them 11:40:49 -!- dwave_ is now known as dwave 11:40:51 I've only really done C/C++ in any depth 11:41:10 well, C has a very different model due to not being garbage collected... 11:41:26 in C, things revolve around regions of memory which are allocated one way or another 11:41:54 yep 11:42:24 you write 'int foo;' and you're saying 'reserve some space for an integer RIGHT HERE ON THE STACK' 11:43:19 in The Other Kind Of Language it's not far wrong to be thinking of it being like every variable and structure field is a pointer to some struct 11:44:57 but it is important to remember that the pointer-vs-value distinction *DOES NOT EXIST IN THE LANGUAGE* 11:45:09 Zenton [n=user@212.166.192.129] has joined #lisp 11:45:21 furthermore, that there are objects which are (designed to be) immutable 11:45:34 like a const Foo * (but not Foo *const) 11:46:00 I thought that functional programming was very strongly oriented towards immutable data 11:46:30 sure. lisp just isn't a functional language, despite what you've been told :) 11:46:33 who said functional programming? not me 11:46:40 ah lol 11:46:41 it's a fine thing to do it if you can 11:46:47 but it's not an overarching goal 11:46:51 if you want that, use Haskell. 11:47:00 (really. Haskell is a fine language, but it's very much Not CL) 11:47:02 my roommate uses haskell 11:47:04 tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:05 is there something like multiple-value-bind for lists? 11:47:18 destructuring-bind 11:47:23 ah, ty 11:47:24 lisp supports functional style pretty well, and functional style is commonly used in some cases -- but cl is a multiparadigm language 11:47:25 ,destructuring-bind 11:47:32 -!- tsuru is now known as Guest36014 11:47:36 Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:40 minion: destructuring-bind 11:47:41 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``destructuring-bind''. 11:48:07 ahh, of course 11:48:19 clhs destructuring-bind 11:48:19 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_destru.htm 11:48:37 anyway, back to my shell I go :) thanks again 11:48:46 shell! 11:49:04 i hope you are using slime and not running stuff from the shell... :P 11:50:01 klausi [n=klausi@port-92-193-60-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:50:22 yes, slime is worth it for the completion alone 11:51:13 yeah.. I tried using sbcl directly. not fun. 11:51:29 I'm more of a vi person unfortunately 11:52:06 get over it and at least use slime-repl 11:52:10 any sort of editor integration is good; it's just that slime with emacs is the best supported 11:52:19 I did and I am :) 11:52:20 by orders of magnitude, maybe (: 11:52:24 very good 11:55:58 drafael1: i had to work on a remote machine which i couldn't get a slime connection to (even with tunneling) and sbcl + linedit package + vi worked good enough 11:55:59 drafael1: you are not alone, and even when coding in lisp I use vim. I have too many vim navigation shortcuts hardwired in my brain for which there is no equivalent on emacs. 11:56:15 -!- ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:57:02 dwave_ [n=ask@213.236.208.247] has joined #lisp 11:58:29 kuwabara: do you have some sort of editor integration for lisp in vim? 11:59:01 -!- Guest36014 is now known as tsuru 12:01:55 nikodemus: almost not. I just have 2 home made shortcuts to send current toplevel and current selection to the currently running lisp instance (which is opened in a different terminal) 12:02:51 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-158-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:03:18 pinterface [n=pinterfa@knvl-static-09-0024.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:01 my vi-lisp integration was cursor-key up in sbcl to the asdf form that loaded my package :) 12:04:17 recently someone a link some sort of vi stuff here 12:06:46 -!- bdowning [n=bdowning@mnementh.lavos.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:06:50 bdowning [n=bdowning@mnementh.lavos.net] has joined #lisp 12:08:47 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 12:09:19 mmm vim lisp 12:10:33 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 12:12:46 -!- Numlock [n=resteven@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has quit ["leaving"] 12:12:48 -!- dwave [n=ask@pat-tdc.opera.com] has quit [Success] 12:16:38 jewel_ [n=jewel@41.247.202.232] has joined #lisp 12:17:26 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 12:17:39 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:18:11 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has quit ["Valete!"] 12:18:36 -!- Joreji [n=thomas@44-249.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:19:10 wol [n=wol@c-71-198-126-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:20:47 jollygood [n=jollygoo@129.71.215.161] has joined #lisp 12:20:49 Buganini [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 12:21:04 anyone know who handles cliki? 12:24:29 -!- KingNato_ is now known as KingNato 12:24:35 can someone tell me if i have an advantage using cffi over sbcls build in ffi? 12:24:41 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:24:46 wol: The domain or the software? 12:24:55 lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 12:26:40 klausi: The advantage of CFFI, is that using it you are independent from SBCL, so you can use your code with other implementations. 12:27:13 silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has joined #lisp 12:27:22 matimago: ok thanks 12:27:23 klausi: so for example, if you find eventually that sbclproduces executables that are too bigs, you could compile your program with clisp or ecl. 12:29:29 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-218-12.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:29:37 -!- wol [n=wol@c-71-198-126-126.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:34:55 -!- rey_ [i=pdewacht@igwe11.vub.ac.be] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:36:52 HG` [n=wells@85.8.90.161] has joined #lisp 12:36:53 -!- SandGorgon [n=user@122.163.121.248] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:39:41 -!- HG` [n=wells@85.8.90.161] has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:48 dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:42:40 -!- schaueho [i=d5a445c1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6ecaa475159aae2d] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 12:42:55 ghh 12:43:19 -!- lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:43:33 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181133132.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:43:51 segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 12:44:05 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["night"] 12:44:12 lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 12:48:17 *pinterface* idly wonders how difficult it would be to effect a domain transfer of cliki.net to an owner with a valid e-mail address. 12:51:18 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-60-75.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:23 -!- segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has quit [] 12:54:35 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:55:04 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 12:58:22 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:00:02 segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 13:00:23 bobbysmith007 [n=russ@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 13:00:48 Numlock [n=resteven@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 13:01:30 -!- Numlock is now known as PissedNumlock 13:02:20 ejs2 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 13:03:51 -!- drafael1 [n=tapio@ip-118-90-143-50.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 13:04:45 pinterface: so neither dan barlow nor eric enge has a valid email address? 13:06:45 gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-169-83-88.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:49 schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 13:06:55 rpg: Both of the e-mail addresses listed under whois are for domains that got snapped up by squatters. 13:07:13 -!- adityo [n=adityo@202.87.51.241] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:07:40 pinterface: Ah. I was looking on cliki itself, where there are pointers to pages for the two registrars. Sounds like they just need to send updates to the domain registrar... 13:08:19 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:09:59 -!- klausi [n=klausi@port-92-193-60-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:11:12 rpg: Yes, unfortunately that's been true for a couple of years... (xach's paid the domain renewal a couple of years, and somebody else did for this year). 13:11:24 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:12:14 pinterface: I was thinking that this might be a contribution to the community that ALU could make. Assuming they're a little more stable than ad hoc volunteerism. 13:12:32 -!- awayekos is now known as anekos 13:14:40 I don't really care *who* does it, so long as cliki doesn't disappear. :) 13:15:27 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:16:05 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 13:16:54 LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:24 -!- lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:18:15 lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 13:18:28 -!- segyr [n=segyr@241.85-200-233.bkkb.no] has quit [] 13:18:42 -!- |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:20:18 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 13:20:41 -!- The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:22:39 -!- bhyde [n=bhyde@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 13:26:58 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:31 -!- mgr [n=mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:29:35 -!- jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has left #lisp 13:30:15 hugod [n=hugod@modemcable086.138-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:31:40 -!- gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-169-83-88.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:31:56 bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:58 -!- schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:33:26 klausi: aside from the portability aspect, CFFI is very different from SB-ALIEN, so you'll also find people who prefer one over the other for API reasons 13:33:27 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-169-83-88.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:33:33 oh, too late 13:33:51 schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 13:34:38 |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:19 -!- danlei [n=user@pD9E2D054.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:36:51 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:37:41 Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has joined #lisp 13:37:49 -!- Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:37:58 Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has joined #lisp 13:41:06 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@117.192.1.171] has joined #lisp 13:45:49 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181133132.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 13:46:32 plutonas [n=plutonas@ip1772.pool2.wireless.lu.se] has joined #lisp 13:47:35 delqna__ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-91-221.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:48:35 beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-91-221.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:48:36 lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 13:48:39 -!- lat [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:48:52 can you think of a commit that'd create objects with bogus widetags since 1.0.27 (only on darwin/x86-64 with threads)? 13:49:08 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F7CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:30 -!- |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:49:53 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:49:59 brandelune [n=suzume@pl252.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:52:10 -!- delqna_ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-18-209.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:53:30 jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:54:09 binarin`` [n=user@62.105.145.214] has joined #lisp 13:54:10 -!- Liempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:54:29 Liempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has joined #lisp 13:54:38 sepult_ [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-130-200.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:54:58 delqna_ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-98-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:56:53 spradnyesh pasted "case" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80135 13:56:56 JikanBae [n=marui@p6020-adsau15honb9-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:57:23 case doesn't work on strings 13:57:32 case works on object identity, rather. 13:57:40 -!- delqna__ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-91-221.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:57:43 in http://paste.lisp.org/display/80135 i'm using hunchentoot. when i call http://localhost:8080/admin/confirm?object=site&action=add i get " confirm site::add (SIMPLE-ARRAY CHARACTER (4))::(SIMPLE-ARRAY CHARACTER (3)) " as the output 13:58:16 but when the commented part (in the pasted code) is uncommented, the function "site-add-to-store" is not called 13:58:31 can someone please tell me what mistake i might be doing here? 13:58:50 spradnyesh: you didn't read the two answers you already received. 13:59:34 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 14:00:37 pkhuong: i don't see anything obvious, but scanning the commit messages the calling convention changes sound like a possibility 14:00:43 ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 14:01:02 -!- Gertm [n=Gertm@d54C53B58.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:01:26 1.0.28 just built correctly. I hate (working on) the darwin port. 14:01:29 maybe we now have a small window where a live object is below RSP, or something 14:01:52 oh, not running with threads -- just building? 14:01:58 yup. 14:02:06 failing repeatably? 14:02:19 fails repeatably with the same bogus widetag when dumping the image at the end of make-target-1 14:02:37 pkhuong: read them 14:02:55 -!- qebab [n=finnrobi@eros.orakel.ntnu.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:02:57 i mean i just read them 14:02:59 i built the defglobal on x86-64 and with threads, but possibly not with x86-64/threads 14:03:21 there's some issue with my network. i'm getting messages in batches 14:03:39 -!- ejs2 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 14:03:44 (i think i did, but would not put it past me to have missed a final build there) 14:04:11 -!- beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-18-209.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:04:13 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 14:04:24 stassats: then should i write multiple cases inside a cond then? or is there a better way to do it? 14:05:27 i'd make an alist 14:05:35 at least write a macro to generate (cond ((string ..)) ((string= ...)) ...) for you 14:05:42 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-155-192-77.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:56 |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:06:19 '(("foo" . 'function) ...) 14:06:44 and then (funcall (assoc "foo" alist :test #'equal)) 14:06:51 spradnyesh: I wrote a string-case macro at one time, but I think using it is a code smell. 14:06:55 and don't forget cdr 14:08:51 -!- drewc [n=user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:09:39 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-75-129.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:09:45 -!- beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-91-221.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:09:46 -!- schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:09:56 beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-98-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:10:07 -!- X-Scale [n=email@89.180.162.124] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:11:58 -!- binarin` [n=user@62.105.145.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:12:22 pkhuong: that's a good idea. lemme try that :) 14:12:24 -!- JikanBae [n=marui@p6020-adsau15honb9-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [] 14:12:56 gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-166-65.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 14:13:24 LinkFly [n=linkfly@62.140.244.27] has joined #lisp 14:14:06 danlei [n=user@pD9E2CB01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:49 schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 14:16:34 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 14:17:16 *dlowe* clarifies: a bad smell 14:20:45 Morning, folks. 14:21:30 -!- matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:21:48 pkhuong: i get a type error: 5501120 not (MOD 1000001) 14:22:00 nikodemus annotated #80135 "hint" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80135#1 14:24:22 -!- ignas [n=ignas@78.59.166.221] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:24:46 nikodemus: on what? 14:24:49 -!- jlf` [n=user@netblock-208-127-247-67.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:25:01 building threaded x86-64 on darwin 14:25:03 mgr [n=mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has joined #lisp 14:25:38 vanilla HEAD WFM. 14:26:08 vanilla = no threads? 14:26:16 with threads, but no SSE patch. 14:26:21 huh 14:26:32 .44 or .43? 14:26:32 -!- white-rabbit-obj [n=cpc5@cpe-67-241-171-153.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 14:27:06 I'm still on .34. You guys commit too fast ;) 14:27:21 Gertm [n=Gertm@d54C53B58.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 14:27:32 building .29 now 14:27:37 Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #lisp 14:28:55 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 14:31:01 I got a laugh out of this: http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html 14:33:05 Fade: yes 14:33:10 that's so last week 14:33:41 Looks like he updated it a bit though. 14:34:35 nikodemus: darwin might not define integer constants for machdep.cpu.brand_string, but rather use sysctlbyname() 14:34:41 always behind 14:34:57 nikodemus: 1.0.28.14 (randomly enough) 14:34:59 I'll take a look sometime soon 14:35:32 -!- Soulman [n=kvirc@42.84-48-88.nextgentel.com] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 14:36:39 With sbcl 1.0.18, I get: Symbol "*DEBUGGER-BEGINNER-HELP*" not found in the SB-EXT package, although it's mentionned in the doc for 1.0.23. Is it a recent addition ? 14:39:11 kuwabara: typo in the manual, i think. try *DEBUG-BEGINNER-HELP-P* 14:39:49 -!- Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:40:05 Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has joined #lisp 14:40:21 retupmoca [n=retupmoc@ppp-69-214-9-199.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:53 nikodemus: indeed. 2 typos: -p is missing, and it's not in sb-ext. 14:43:00 pkhuong: .29 builds here, and so does .35. did you mean that .14 is fails? 14:45:32 delqna__ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-125-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:45:56 -!- guaqua [i=gua@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:47:06 it's the guilty commit according to git bisect. As soon as I apply the SSE stuff enough stuff moves around that make-target-1 fails. 14:47:30 oh, ok 14:48:48 huh, i have a hard time seeing how .14 could be the real culprit :/ 14:48:49 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:49:02 tbeck [n=Becker@201-11-21-36.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 14:49:26 same here. 14:49:49 -!- aunwork [n=aunwork@mail.ionicsoft.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:49:52 delqna [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-5-73.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:50:54 i'll track down my type error first, in case it's a different thing 14:51:35 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-151-46.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:01 While I Hate. That. Port. (and instead work on useful things) 14:52:34 -!- Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has quit [] 14:52:45 wait, what, make-target-1? 14:53:04 -!- lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 14:53:13 well at the end... Oh hey, yes, the *host* dies. 14:53:34 while saving my after-xc.core 14:54:16 what is your host? 14:54:43 1.0.28.34 with threads 14:55:24 what's the exact complaint? 14:56:25 no size function for object at 0x00740f60 (widetag 0x60); I get 0x68 when applying the patch on .34 14:56:34 I've got sbcl, slime and emacs installed, but I can't do M-x slime in emacs 14:56:45 ttt-- [n=ubuntu@78-23-124-196.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 14:56:50 my guess is that emacs is looking for slime at a wrong place, anyone knows how to set the "classpath" for emacs ? 14:57:21 http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Installation.html#Installation 14:58:05 and change (slime-setup) (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) 14:58:12 to 14:58:37 what's the difference between normal slime-setp and fancy slime? 14:58:51 it's more fancy 14:59:07 it includes the repl, most notably. 14:59:13 _3b annotated #80124 "test results for tcr" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80124#4 14:59:15 clearly this situation require more cafeine than tea can provide. 14:59:47 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@adsl-75-55-215-230.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:59:48 X-Scale [i=email@89-180-209-198.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 15:01:52 salex [n=user@216.80.147.206] has joined #lisp 15:01:59 -!- delqna_ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-98-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:03:05 -!- beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-98-56.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:03:27 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:03:31 -!- delqna__ [n=delqna@ABordeaux-158-1-125-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:04:32 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:05:25 PissedNumlock: slime without slime-fancy is kind of like a ferrari with no engine--missing the best part. 15:05:48 k thx, works fine :) 15:06:00 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 15:06:19 brown [n=user@72.14.228.89] has joined #lisp 15:06:24 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:06:27 I already had slime running on my ubuntu machine, apparantly it does all the stuff for me. Didn't work under FreeBSD (just cp-ed my emacs.el) 15:06:32 thx for the help 15:06:48 -!- brown is now known as Guest87326 15:06:50 pinterface: i'd say it's like a ferrari without seats and steering wheel 15:08:41 stassats: :P 15:09:45 SBCL 1.0.28.43 builds fine (modulo sb-simple-streams) under mingw. 15:15:26 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-159-199.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 15:15:46 -!- rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-159-199.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:16:14 rstandy [n=rastandy@net-93-144-159-199.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 15:16:22 The C-c C-c killing SBCL is sad, still. 15:17:04 Is it hard to make SBCL trap and handle SIGINT under win32? 15:17:35 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has quit ["Valete!"] 15:18:37 -!- alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has left #lisp 15:18:42 jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:19:03 iirc handling that is exposed through a completely different interface than everything else on win32 15:19:29 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-255-48.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:19:30 but that is only what I remember from skimming nyef's initial patch notes for the first draft win32 patch (: 15:19:31 SetConsoleCtrlHandler or something 15:22:48 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:23:36 V-ille2 [n=ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe43fb00-66.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:25:07 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:26:04 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-155-192-77.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:26:27 Hi all, any comments about the Lisp in Small Pieces book by Christian Queinnec? 15:26:42 I've been thinking of acquiring that book. 15:26:43 it's a good book 15:27:05 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@hq-users.caci.com] has joined #lisp 15:27:31 I suppose I wouldn't be the first to report CVS slime sending output to *inferior-lisp* instead of the REPL buffer? 15:27:37 on MinGW, that is 15:28:04 /ntemacs 23-snapshot 15:28:04 that's not unheard problem 15:28:34 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 15:28:44 stassats, what's the typically recommended recourse? 15:28:53 *_3b* thought slime + win32 sbcl was just broken in general without modifying sbcl 15:29:09 deepfire: install linux? 15:29:16 -!- krappie [n=brain@mx.skitzo.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:29:18 stassats, not an option? 15:29:25 _3b, I had it working, but got to upgrade SBCL.. 15:29:58 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:30:35 <_3b> deepfire: do you use the new-serve-event patch? 15:31:12 <_3b> (and how old was sbcl previously, what version of slime and has that changed) 15:31:12 krappie [n=brain@mx.skitzo.org] has joined #lisp 15:31:35 IIRC last time i looked at it trying to use console control handler from sbcl on win32 (even just to ignore C-c) made windows go berserk 15:31:49 <_3b> ah, looks like that fixes problems with debugger, not output, so that might not be it 15:32:37 it was 1.0.22 (the last SF win32 release), several months old slime (made a mistake of not recording it exactly) 15:32:46 V-ille2: i wasn't that deeply enthused with it -- never finished it 15:32:59 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 15:33:01 but maybe it's just me an denotational semantics :) 15:33:07 s/an/and/ 15:33:27 <_3b> deepfire: M-: slime-protocol-version 15:33:30 or rather: s/me an/my reaction to/ 15:34:19 -!- tbeck [n=Becker@201-11-21-36.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:34:21 -!- brandelune [n=suzume@pl252.nas933.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [] 15:39:01 -!- Vegan [n=sdfpme@125.93.104.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:45:06 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 15:46:07 shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has joined #lisp 15:46:14 -!- mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@ABordeaux-253-1-155-65.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:46:33 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:56:55 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:23 Ok, updating sbcl from 1.0.22 to 1.0.28.43 breaks slime 2008-08-18 15:59:05 tbeck [n=Becker@201-11-21-36.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 15:59:13 That's one issue. Let's see if recent slime breaks with 1.0.22.. 15:59:53 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 16:00:02 SandGorgon [n=user@122.163.199.75] has joined #lisp 16:00:07 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:00:37 It doesn't. 16:01:29 <_3b> deepfire: last few paragraphs of http://www.lisphacker.com/temp/article-drafts/sbcl-win32-slime-and-cygwin-emacs.txt might be interesting if upgrading breaks slime debugger 16:02:49 _3b, thanks! 16:03:45 beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-5-73.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:03:52 -!- beach```` is now known as beach 16:04:07 MrSpec_ [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 16:04:17 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["..."] 16:04:25 jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:05:33 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-155-192-77.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:17 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:06:28 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 16:10:14 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #lisp 16:10:42 ejs [n=eugen@21-68-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:20 -!- |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:11:38 Good evening. 16:12:21 Evening beach. 16:12:44 The current version of nyef's new-serve-event doesn't compile. 16:13:03 Got to resort to the hack version, then. 16:13:36 -!- MrSpec_ is now known as mrSpec 16:16:22 -!- LinkFly [n=linkfly@62.140.244.27] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:19:31 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:50 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 16:22:31 -!- REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:23:55 Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has joined #lisp 16:24:02 tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 16:24:09 Greetings. 16:24:28 -!- jlf [n=user@unaffiliated/jlf] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 16:25:00 Is there anyway to get the hints correct in slime for generic functions? 16:25:17 hints? 16:25:48 The hinting for forms that show up in the mini-buffer. 16:26:07 arglist displaying 16:26:13 how incorrect it is? 16:27:27 Depends on the generic function. Also depends on the keywords. For example, a keyword that is not specified in the generic function, but specified for a specific method will show up for all methods. I'm not sure there is a way to avoid this. 16:27:40 i see 16:28:06 that was already pointed out in slime-devel@ 16:28:10 |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:14 tmh: it's tricky. if you're using sbcl part of the problem is sb-introspect:function-lambda-list 16:28:49 it uses sb-pcl::generic-function-pretty-arglist instead of sb-mop:generic-function-lambda-list even if there is an explicit defgeneric 16:29:25 fixing it locally is easy, but the arglist display then becomes pretty useless unless there is an explicit defgeneric 16:30:39 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:31:43 what would be more interesting is that if slime selected particular method based on the arglist, though it looks useless 16:32:12 nikodemus: I always implement defgeneric. I don't see how it is possible because the arglist hinted depends on the specific method, which won't be know until the form is actually evaluated. Furthermore, the form may not always be referring to the same specific method. 16:32:48 jlf [n=user@unaffiliated/jlf] has joined #lisp 16:34:20 Maybe the theoretical approach, for the case of an explicit defgeneric signature, would be to display that and then have a drop-down list showing all of the variations. I know that's not possible in slime+emacs, I'm thinking of my hypothetical "perfect" lisp editor. 16:35:41 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 16:35:50 Ok, http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/slime-devel/2008-December/015752.html is the answer for SBCL 1.0.28.43/SLIME 2009-05-12: output goes where appropriate, the debugger works as it should. Seemingly. 16:36:00 on MinGW, that is. 16:36:12 nikodemus pasted "quick fix" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/80149 16:37:08 -!- holycow [n=rtaylor@64.151.208.1] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:37:27 Aww, I was a bit quick, (format t "foo~%") still lands foo into *inferior-lisp*. 16:38:52 rey_ [n=ikke@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 16:41:07 -!- shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:41:23 jlf` [n=user@unaffiliated/jlf] has joined #lisp 16:42:46 nikodemus: Thanks. I'm a little leery of just dropping into the swank-backend and executing that form. 16:43:00 Athas` [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 16:43:20 I also don't track the latest slime, I only update if something breaks or I need some new feature. 16:44:11 *tmh* throws caution to the wind, though, and tries the form. Hey, this is lisp, you should be willing to modify things on the fly. 16:45:10 shoot in the foot on the fly 16:45:10 guaqua [i=gua@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 16:47:11 I'm not getting an arglist hint for sb-introspect:function-lambda-list, I think I'll step back and check for that package. 16:48:15 if your sbcl is old, it's sb-introspect:function-arglist 16:48:23 milanj [n=milan@93.87.152.38] has joined #lisp 16:48:33 -!- dwave_ [n=ask@213.236.208.247] has quit ["Be back later"] 16:48:37 (assuming you are on sbcl, of course!) 16:48:39 spradnyesh1 [n=pradyus@117.192.5.63] has joined #lisp 16:48:50 -!- |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:49:06 feh. my .44 build failure was just a user error: didn't run clean.sh between 32 and 64 bit builds 16:49:26 BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:30 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 16:50:46 1.0.22, is that too old? 16:51:07 almost six months old 16:51:23 I do have the sb-introspect package. 16:52:15 -!- tbeck [n=Becker@201-11-21-36.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:52:42 more than six months 16:53:30 Crap, I just checked for software updates and there is a kernel update, which means I'll have to reboot and rebuild some stuff. 16:53:38 I'll do it later. 16:53:40 -!- tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22.2"] 16:53:41 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@117.192.1.171] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:56:33 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 16:56:56 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 16:58:05 -!- spradnyesh1 [n=pradyus@117.192.5.63] has left #lisp 16:58:28 Yeah, function-arglist was required. Now I'll have to work that into slime initialization. 16:59:12 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:14 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:59:43 -!- schoppenhauer [n=mdd63bi@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:59:52 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:25 dk_ [n=dk@68.39.176.137] has joined #lisp 17:00:25 exit 17:00:25 -!- dk_ [n=dk@68.39.176.137] has quit ["leaving"] 17:01:51 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-249-58-190.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [] 17:02:58 tmh: ~/.slime.lisp 17:03:18 oops, sorry: ~/.swank.lisp 17:03:50 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 17:04:12 -!- Athas` [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:05:04 dysinger [n=tim@98.246.183.155] has joined #lisp 17:05:46 |jeremiah 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has left #lisp 18:46:32 -!- holycow [n=rtaylor@64.151.208.1] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:46:34 well, i get T here, so i think NIL isn't that right 18:47:15 stassats, you've also got (eq (swank::connection.communication-style (swank::default-connection)) :spawn) => T? 18:47:28 yep 18:47:35 Nay here.. 18:48:18 That latter form is an invariant on SBCL/MinGW. 18:48:19 well, on another system i get T and NIL respectively 18:49:18 Ok, I should reformulate the latter one as (not (null (swank::connection.communication-style (swank::default-connection)))), then. 18:49:55 :fd-handler 18:50:20 NIL :-) 18:50:24 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 18:50:28 (sbcl/linux, :spawn on ccl/linux) 18:51:10 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:56 deepfire: That's only T when you use global IO redirection, I think 18:51:57 and (eq (swank::connection.user-output (swank::default-connection)) sb-sys:*stdout*) does T in your case? 18:52:08 tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has joined #lisp 18:52:20 ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has joined #lisp 18:52:22 And even than not necessarily as people can bind *standard-output* whatever they want (string input streams for example) 18:52:24 right 18:52:56 tcr, not true in my case, swank::*globally-redirect-io* is NIL 18:53:22 -!- rlpowell is now known as rlpowell|lunch 18:53:37 global io redirection is broken at the moment 18:53:51 I'd be thankful if someone would investigate 18:54:05 tcr, I'm staring at the commit which I pointed out above.. 18:54:13 lichtblau [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:54:19 two points: a) it makes output from some implementations go to *inferior-buffer*; b) it makes the `disconnect' test case fail 18:54:26 M-x slime-run-one-test RET disconnect 18:55:16 tcr, right, fails here 18:55:39 stassats: Try your test case with cvs head. I can't reproduce it with my latest change, though I haven't tried hard. 18:55:56 _3b: I can confirm that your second case does still not work. 18:56:00 tcr: ok 18:56:01 Gtg, though. 18:56:05 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 18:57:26 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:58:04 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 18:58:31 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:58:55 jthing [n=jthing@212.251.244.254] has joined #lisp 18:59:28 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 18:59:36 Who is using my name "Younder"? 18:59:37 -!- DarkRavin [n=thedarkr@adsl-4-34-139.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 18:59:53 *stassats* reproduced and killed the wrong emacs 19:00:17 infanticide? 19:02:51 You know the old story. "I hate unix users, there all deamonds, the for their children and kill their parents.." 19:03:03 fork 19:03:51 maybe fork parents and kill children? 19:03:58 sorry 19:04:06 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-155-192-77.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:04:24 no fork children and kill parents 19:05:02 if you fork children you'll get grandchildren 19:05:08 You fork and then do a execve or something like that 19:05:37 -!- xtagon [n=xtagon@97-113-157-76.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [] 19:05:57 jobf [n=jbf@c80-216-238-151.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:06:06 and be careful with the zombies 19:06:08 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-24-220-120.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:13 lol 19:06:43 DarkRavin [n=thedarkr@adsl-4-34-139.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:51 and deamonds, they will try to hold you in a deadlock. 19:07:32 sugarshark [n=ole@p4FDAA863.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:10:21 mogunus [n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:28 -!- ejs [n=eugen@187-236-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:11:50 Anyhow my Blog SW is up and running under sblc and postgreSQL. 19:12:02 Jabberwockey [n=jens@82.113.121.156] has joined #lisp 19:13:35 Now if only I can get my bugtrack SW to work as well. 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[n=user@adsl-99-24-220-120.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:04:30 I'm looking to learn Lisp, I know Scheme from doing a bunch of SICP; right now I'm going through Practical Common Lisp, but I'm finding it a bit slow. I really want to read and work through On Lisp, but I found that I needed some intro to CL first. 20:04:51 any suggestions beyond Practical Common Lisp? 20:04:58 minion: PAIP? 20:04:59 PAIP: Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp by Peter Norvig. http://www.cliki.net/PAIP 20:05:17 my experience with On Lisp is that it tries to make lisp look fancier than it really is 20:06:12 as in, i would probably be okay by just sticking it out, or as in it is not worth reading? 20:06:41 one good about on lisp was that in order to understand it i turned back to some other introductory book 20:06:46 good thing 20:07:50 haven't read all of it, didn't find it interesting enough. i've found paul graham's writings about lisp to be boring. he keeps repeating the same mantra over and over again 20:07:52 -!- Modius [n=Modius@99.179.96.209] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:08:06 but this is just my take on things 20:08:08 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:08:23 on lisp is not bad, but you won't miss much if you don't read it 20:08:25 -!- jao [n=jao@215.Red-83-38-59.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:08:40 hmm, well 20:08:57 (provided that you will read something instead) 20:08:59 guaqua: what do you mean by "fancy" ? 20:09:14 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:09:22 I'm actually trying to learn macros as in figure out how to think in them, how to use them, etc 20:09:39 salex: mostly he just tries to make macros look like something magical 20:09:47 usually the newbie problem is figuring out how/when not to use them 20:09:54 right 20:10:19 as in, kicking hte oooo macros .... shiny. response many have 20:10:20 and putting as much focus on macros as pg does doesn't seem beneficial to me 20:10:26 spacebat_ [n=akhasha@ppp203-122-218-151.lns12.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:42 Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has joined #lisp 20:10:42 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@69.149.25.190] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:10:56 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:11:01 guaqua: huh. that's one take. I guess I think of On Lisp as primarily a book about macrology, and if you work your way through that stuff you'll understand what they can and can't do, reasonably 20:11:16 which is somewhat distinct from what you should do, in practice. 20:11:18 *stassats* actually got macros when he needed to write them 20:11:20 salex: fair enough :) 20:11:23 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:11:48 When to use macros is easy. If you can do it with a function, use a function. And the only time you can't use a function is when you need arguments evaluated in a manner different from the standard evaluation rules. 20:11:54 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:44 tmh: too strict. macros-as-syntax make a lot of sense sometimes (he says, avoiding diversion into reader macros) 20:12:44 Essential, if you need to delay the evaluation of an argument to a form, you need a macro. Otherwise, use a function. 20:12:52 jao [n=jao@142.Red-83-36-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:55 or when you want to establish new environment 20:12:55 but yeah, it's a good baseline 20:13:01 *pkhuong* gives up on trying to abstract SSE away. One type per SIMD extension! 20:14:02 <_3b> pkhuong: just hide them all behind xappings :) 20:14:04 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-122-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:17 -!- sepult [n=sepult@xdsl-87-78-130-200.netcologne.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 20:15:48 Zenton` [n=user@80.29.230.7] has joined #lisp 20:16:02 salex: Perhaps it is too strict. But, by the time you're designing a language in lisp, you'll understand when to use macros in the general sense. 20:16:21 true. at least, one hopes :) 20:17:17 jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 20:17:35 I have some code from when I first started learning lisp that i haven't looked at in a couple years, but recall that it is strewn with the misuse of macros. I'm afraid to open those files. :~_ 20:17:50 -!- JoelMcCracken [n=jmccrack@student312-1.psc.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:17:55 -!- Spyderco [n=nash@194.45.110.65] has quit [] 20:17:57 :~) (need to learn to type) 20:19:00 Harag [n=phil@wbs-196-2-98-168.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:20:01 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-195-37.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:48 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:21:30 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-195-37.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 20:23:00 jao` [n=jao@142.Red-83-36-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:00 Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-195-37.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:33 -!- jao [n=jao@142.Red-83-36-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:23:48 -!- jao` is now known as jao 20:24:59 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-244-122-193.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:28:23 -!- rpg [n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [] 20:30:08 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-201-126.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:30 jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:30:43 -!- spacebat [n=akhasha@ppp121-45-198-93.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:32:18 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 20:33:02 Is there a function that checks if a number is prime? 20:33:14 -!- jao [n=jao@142.Red-83-36-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:33:18 bgs100: Not a standard function. 20:34:47 -!- Modius_ [n=Modius@adsl-68-91-195-37.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:34:49 ehu` [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #lisp 20:36:31 holycow [n=rtaylor@64.151.208.1] has joined #lisp 20:42:21 bgs100: there's COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.PRIMES:FACTORIZE 20:42:22 jao [n=jao@50.Red-83-37-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:33 but you can of corce make one 20:43:00 pjb: does it use state of the art algorithms? 20:43:19 stassats: I don't think. It's based on Eratostene's. 20:43:20 How large do yor primes need to be? 20:43:41 bgs100: but that factorize doesn't shortcut when a factor is found. 20:43:50 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:44:37 I am sure you are aware of.. 20:45:14 pjb: "The service is not available. Please try again later." 20:45:45 Any second number divides 2 any third didides 3 etc. 20:45:59 aristophanes theorem 20:46:10 bgs100: in all generalality this is a very hard problem. if you have constraints on the numbers it can help a lot 20:46:17 that's Erathostenes :-P 20:46:22 indeed 20:46:23 stassats: however, with our current micro-computers, classical algorithms are surprizingly usable for quite a range of input. Eg. I applied O(N^3) algorithms on graphs with thousands of nodes in acceptable times. 20:46:34 stassats: strange, I get http://darcs.informatimago.com/lisp/common-lisp/primes.lisp without any problem. 20:46:53 bgs100: if I were you I'd call maxima's factor function 20:47:05 pjb: that was from http://informatimago.com 20:47:17 You have to choose between www and darcs. 20:47:43 i see, /me fixes bookmars 20:47:45 I'll have to add a redirect on informatimago.com. 20:51:05 bgs100: (maxima::factor 777) ==> ((MAXIMA::MTIMES MAXIMA::SIMP MAXIMA::FACTORED) 3 7 37) 20:51:07 illuminati1113 [n=user@pool-71-114-64-62.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:33 -!- jao [n=jao@50.Red-83-37-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:51:35 pjb: you are in real life Pascal Bourmignon are you not? 20:52:16 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 20:52:22 your motto is "mistype everything possible"? 20:52:46 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:56 "Pascal J. Bourguignon" 20:53:14 Elementary, my dear jthing. 20:53:15 not always 20:53:24 mrsolo__ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-209-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:16 But since we are into prime factorising, are you aware of Goldblath's theorem 20:55:42 Goldbach? 20:56:04 conjecture? 20:56:28 jmbr: how does that factor implementation like 77712347012347987987810080810273400808123047070707210374070977070234798698456912634707123047087171398491837499861239649690134603, though? 20:56:50 sorry, conjecture 20:57:19 -!- rlpowell [n=rlpowell@chain.digitalkingdom.org] has left #lisp 20:57:33 salex: just fine 20:57:37 let me use lisppaste 20:57:43 salex: who's phone number is that? 20:57:46 heh 20:57:59 jmbr: don't worry about 20:58:18 it. i was just curious what algorithm(s) they are using.... 20:58:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldbach's_conjecture 20:58:23 is that a semiprime? 20:58:49 salex: it's in BPP (and P even!) (: 20:59:06 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-255-48.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [] 20:59:06 maxima is not good for serious number crunching 20:59:09 jmbr: Are you using maxima as a lisp library? 20:59:22 tmh: yes 20:59:34 http://paste.lisp.org/display/80165 20:59:36 jmbr: Nice, how's that working? 20:59:42 so far, so good 20:59:53 might i suggest Axiom 21:00:09 jthing: no, you might not. 21:00:10 axiom is not so amenable to being callable from sbcl 21:00:18 jmbr: What are you applying it to? 21:00:37 to numbers? 21:00:54 just tinkering 21:00:55 http://daly.axiom-developer.org/TimothyDaly_files/lisptalk/pages/overview2.html 21:01:04 I must admit that I use Sage and Maple for real purposes 21:01:04 -!- hjpark [n=user@116.40.135.22] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:01:20 stassats: thanks, I meant a topic area a little more specific than numbers. :~P 21:01:23 although sage currently uses maxima for symbolic processing 21:01:33 tmh: i understood 21:02:14 jmbr: I'm using maxima to right now to generate answers for unit testing. I just entered salex's number into the factor function, it's still running. heh. 21:02:28 afaik, maxima does have its own bignum implementation, right? 21:02:33 maxima han't been properly developed since 1982. Axiom was developed commercialy to 2004 21:02:34 aha 21:02:51 stassats: it has bigfloats 21:02:53 jthing: Wrong. maxima is quite useful. 21:03:11 I think it uses bignums as provided by the lisp implementation 21:03:16 Never claimed it wasn't 21:03:31 jthing: maxima is much more actively mantained than axiom 21:03:36 Last time I looked at using maxima as a library, it wasn't really recommended. Maybe I need to look again. 21:03:46 unfortunately, much more than any of the axiom forks combined 21:03:52 tmh: yeah, I pulled that out of the air, but it should take a bit to chew on :) 21:04:03 not too bad though, as it's small(ish) 21:04:06 jmbr: nop 21:04:15 salex: I need my maxima prompt back! 21:04:18 tmh: you can use it either with defsystem or by saving an image which doesn't call maxima::run as a top-level function (that's what I use) 21:04:26 anyway, maxima/axiom are both a bit behind the times, but useful 21:04:32 jthing: what? 21:04:38 salex: you should've give some RSA numbers 21:04:49 heh. 21:05:46 -!- Harag [n=phil@wbs-196-2-98-168.wbs.co.za] has left #lisp 21:05:47 jmbr: depends on what verion you are watching. 21:05:48 none of this has anything much to do with goldbach, though 21:06:08 jthing: which one should I watch? 21:06:10 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:06:12 Bah, I'm running maxima from emacs, I'll just switch to another buffer and get something else done. Crappy large number factorization. 21:06:15 i do like the disparity between GC and Dunham's result in the 90's 21:07:32 Hun [n=Hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:08:54 -!- holycow [n=rtaylor@64.151.208.1] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:09:33 jmbr: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=portableubuntu&filename=Portable_Ubuntu.exe&use_mirror=dfn 21:10:37 ? 21:10:45 sorry 21:11:03 np 21:11:18 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 21:11:26 holycow [n=rtaylor@64.151.208.1] has joined #lisp 21:13:49 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a67ad2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fa3cb7961e637083] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 21:14:39 http://www.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/download.html 21:15:18 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@82.113.121.156] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:15:20 -!- mrsolo__ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-209-44.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:15:57 some prefer the version without the litterate bit added. 21:16:28 you mean fricas/openaxiom I guess 21:16:36 yes fricas 21:16:57 konr1 [i=karkeej@201.82.129.143] has joined #lisp 21:16:59 but still if you check the activity on the mailing lists and source code repos you'll see that maxima is much more actively mantained than any of the axioms 21:17:29 (a pity, but that's how it is) 21:18:15 jmbr: that's true, but axoim was still way more mature before it went open source 21:18:35 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 21:19:12 I can never keep all of the versions of axiom straight. I think I'll have to actually use them before I have a better appreciation for each. 21:19:41 I'm not sure what you mean with more mature 21:20:00 I like axiom's design much more than maxima's 21:20:35 I'd like to have something like haskell's numericprelude in common lisp 21:21:27 Edward__ [i=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-37-115.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:25:16 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-166-65.static.vologda.ru] has quit ["I wish the toaster to be happy, too."] 21:25:27 gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-166-65.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 21:26:17 -!- tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22.2"] 21:27:21 -!- shelducks [n=agis@cpe-24-198-28-3.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 21:27:38 so let's get together and revive Axiom :) 21:28:14 so, what's the solution for the usocket/sbcl incompatibility? can i revert usocket to a certain svn revision? 21:28:14 After all it deserves a second life. 21:28:25 jmbr: btw, did you check that factorization? doesn't look right.... 21:28:32 -!- konr [n=karkeej@201.82.139.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:28:35 jthing: Which version? I just pulled OpenAxiom with svn. 21:28:41 and seemed a bit fast ;) 21:29:00 Yeah, in my maxima it is still running. 21:29:28 I think it is okay 21:29:37 think? 21:29:42 just take the product... 21:29:47 I did it 21:30:14 (zerop (- (* (expt 3 2) 7 83 443533 33507763814434184116420156902806899755751149298816635294895972230988499449435651606036726567044876488070577475079411379) 77712347012347987987810080810273400808123047070707210374070977070234798698456912634707123047087171398491837499861239649690134603)) ==> T 21:30:44 indeed it deserves a second life 21:32:05 Axiom is currently dead? 21:32:08 aha. i see. my fault, c/p kille dthe exponentiation 21:32:09 -!- S11001001 [n=sirian@pdpc/supporter/active/S11001001] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:32:33 note that for very large numbers, you might wanna improve the multiplication algo in SBCL. 21:32:34 just suffering what appears to be an agony, but maybe that can change 21:33:25 -!- kidd2 [n=kidd@221.Red-79-152-43.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:33:36 CrazyEddy [n=luteal@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 21:33:54 kidd2 [n=kidd@221.Red-79-152-43.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:12 thm: Thats the version I am using too 21:35:26 jmbr: What is the difference between calling factor from CL-USER and calling it from the maxima prompt? I ask because it still has not returned an answer. 21:36:07 Bah, I interrupted it, I need my prompt back to get some stuff done. 21:36:37 tmh: there's a section in the info pages for maxima on how to interface with cl 21:36:52 In this case I don't think there's any difference 21:36:54 tritchey_ [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:59 saikat_ [n=saikat@69.181.127.247] has joined #lisp 21:37:10 jmbr: I didn't think there would be either, but I never got an answer. 21:37:17 -!- tritchey_ [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:05 jthing: yes, I am. 21:38:27 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:38:52 slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 21:40:05 -!- jfactor [n=jfactor@student167-17.hampshire.edu] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:40:25 DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@wireless-169-235-40-192.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 21:40:35 jthing: Can you do a parallel build of open-axiom? 21:40:36 jfactor [n=jfactor@student167-17.hampshire.edu] has joined #lisp 21:40:47 -!- salex [n=user@216.80.147.206] has left #lisp 21:41:35 -!- ejs [n=eugen@187-236-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:41:59 Heh, TIAS says no. 21:42:09 photon [n=photon@unaffiliated/photon] has joined #lisp 21:42:27 thm: I am working on a web interface to open-axiom 21:42:28 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:42:51 thm: particularly to math-ml 21:43:10 jthing: Okay, a little non sequitor. Anyway, it does not build in parallel. 21:43:14 thm: so, duh, I can diplay mah 21:43:19 math 21:44:05 someone worked on a web interface for axiom a few google summers of code ago 21:44:16 thm: paralell? 21:44:56 jthing: make -j 4 . It may work, it looks like I'm having other problems building open-axiom from svn sources. 21:45:13 you can also run axiom (fricas) from a sage notebook and you get the same result (pretty web interface) 21:45:58 fricas is less troublesome than open-axiom 21:46:47 -!- hugod [n=hugod@modemcable086.138-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [] 21:46:50 -!- saikat [n=saikat@69.181.127.247] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:47:13 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 21:51:15 had any luck? 21:53:11 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:53:40 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:54:27 tbeck [n=Becker@201.3.86.47] has joined #lisp 21:54:43 jthing: No, it appears I don't have the X11 development libraries installed. 21:55:02 wtf 21:55:53 -!- Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.141.101] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:56:38 Well, I don't do X11 development, so I only have the runtimes installed. 21:57:24 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:57:57 I think I'll just install the RPM. 21:58:14 Ah, install the developement libraes 21:58:23 Run by the library and take a look at the axiom book, it appears that they won't let you check it out 21:58:45 jao [n=jao@136.Red-79-155-153.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:01 libraries 21:59:41 thm: fedora? 22:00:50 attila_lendvai_ [n=ati@adsl-89-134-6-30.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 22:00:53 jthing: RHEL 5.3. I'm also downloading sage. At least the CentOS version. 22:01:39 -!- saikat_ [n=saikat@69.181.127.247] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:01:50 So a supported version. Red Hat 22:02:28 Jasko2 [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:00 Sage is kinda largish. 22:03:37 konr [i=karkeej@201.82.131.103] has joined #lisp 22:03:41 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 22:03:57 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:04:00 lol 22:04:10 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@adsl-89-132-0-198.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:04:15 -!- attila_lendvai_ is now known as attila_lendvai 22:05:01 antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 22:08:06 -!- jao [n=jao@136.Red-79-155-153.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:08:19 thm: I use ubutu myself 22:08:33 konr2 [n=karkeej@201.82.139.214] has joined #lisp 22:08:56 -!- konr1 [i=karkeej@201.82.129.143] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:09:02 thm: so I pretty much need additions every day 22:09:43 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6D376.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["humhum"] 22:09:55 jthing: Are you dyslexic? 22:10:22 yes, why? 22:11:23 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:11:36 jthing: You're kidding, right? It is pretty obvious from your typing. You're not simply careless, you systematically make the same mistakes, like thm instead of tmh, for example. 22:11:56 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:32 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=greg@toronto-gw.adsl.erx01.mtlcnds.ext.distributel.net] has quit [] 22:12:34 -!- alec [n=aberryma@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:13:31 tmh: if it pleases you to think so.. 22:13:45 GurpMan [n=geezsain@sea-gw.practicepartner.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:49 be my guest 22:14:11 hello? 22:14:49 -!- GurpMan [n=geezsain@sea-gw.practicepartner.com] has left #lisp 22:14:51 hi there 22:16:03 -!- jewel_ [n=jewel@dsl-247-199-60.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:16:19 GurpMan [n=geezsain@sea-gw.practicepartner.com] has joined #lisp 22:16:47 gello GurpMan 22:16:53 Yo 22:17:01 jthing: It neither pleases nor displeases me to think that. I just figured it was either that or you are running some psychological experiment to see how much people will interpret misspelled words. 22:17:07 Hey GurpMan 22:17:19 He's already left 22:17:25 Yo 22:17:41 I think we need MORE LISP 22:17:46 yes 22:17:56 minion: tell me about axiom 22:17:56 kpreid: please look at axiom: Axiom is a general purpose Computer Algebra system released under the modified BSD license. It defines a strongly typed, mathematically correct type hierarchy. http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ 22:18:05 tmh: no I really am dislexic.. 22:18:55 -!- Zenton` [n=user@80.29.230.7] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:19:06 kpreid: It's written in lisp. Sage is a frontend for it, so it is tangentially on-topic. Everything else was definitely OT> 22:19:31 right' 22:21:17 tmh: dislextic.. 22:21:30 dilsexyc 22:21:38 sigh 22:22:23 can't spell for shit, that disorder 22:22:30 lol 22:23:35 -!- tbeck [n=Becker@201.3.86.47] has quit [] 22:24:30 Fare: even you have to admitt that word (dislextic) is hard ro spell? 22:24:30 -!- konr [i=karkeej@201.82.131.103] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:42 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:25:58 and by the way you spelled it wrong.. 22:26:04 rotfl 22:27:39 *jthing* prefers a spell checker 22:28:53 -!- Edward__ [i=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-37-115.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:29:30 Edward__ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-75-78.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:29:52 -!- konr2 [n=karkeej@201.82.139.214] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:30:22 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:30:36 MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 22:31:18 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0517.versanet.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:32:08 tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:28 konr [n=karkeej@201.82.132.33] has joined #lisp 22:32:35 -!- tsuru is now known as Guest98584 22:37:30 izittm [n=izittm@unaffiliated/izittm] has joined #lisp 22:38:00 slime-apropos doesn't seem to work for me 22:38:17 M-x slime-apropos, enter 'setq', bombs out with Evaluation aborted 22:38:19 -!- Zenton [n=user@212.166.192.129] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:38:32 replace setq with whatever (tried e.g. defun) 22:38:44 doesn't work, any ideas what's wrong? 22:38:51 is this the way it's supposed to work anyway? 22:38:58 What's the rest of the error? 22:39:02 nothing 22:39:03 no error 22:39:09 just Evaluation aborted. 22:39:18 nothing in events 22:39:42 anything in *inferior-lisp* 22:39:44 ? 22:41:22 yes... :( unfortunately 22:41:23 Exception in thread "Swank REPL Thread" java.lang.RuntimeException: java.lang.IllegalMonitorStateException 22:41:23 at clojure.lang.AFn.run(AFn.java:41) 22:41:23 at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source) 22:41:26 Caused by: java.lang.IllegalMonitorStateException 22:41:29 at java.util.concurrent.locks.ReentrantLock$Sync.tryRelease(Unknown Source) 22:41:32 at java.util.concurrent.locks.AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.release(Unknown Source) 22:41:37 at java.util.concurrent.locks.ReentrantLock.unlock(Unknown Source) 22:41:40 at java.util.concurrent.LinkedBlockingQueue.take(Unknown Source) 22:41:44 at swank.util.concurrent.mbox$receive__269.invoke(mbox.clj:28) 22:41:44 at swank.core$eval_from_control__310.invoke(core.clj:61) 22:41:47 at swank.core$eval_loop__313.invoke(core.clj:67) 22:41:50 at swank.core$spawn_repl_thread__445$fn__476$fn__478.invoke(core.clj:173) 22:41:53 at clojure.lang.AFn.applyToHelper(AFn.java:171) 22:41:57 at clojure.lang.AFn.applyTo(AFn.java:164) 22:42:00 at clojure.core$apply__3244.doInvoke(core.clj:409) 22:42:03 at clojure.lang.RestFn.invoke(RestFn.java:428) 22:42:04 at swank.core$spawn_repl_thread__445$fn__476.doInvoke(core.clj:170) 22:42:10 at clojure.lang.RestFn.invoke(RestFn.java:402) 22:42:12 at clojure.lang.AFn.run(AFn.java:37) 22:42:15 ... 1 more 22:42:18 this is in clojure mode 22:42:28 *hefner* loads his shotgun 22:42:36 minion: tell izittm about paste 22:42:37 izittm: look at paste: lisppaste: lisppaste is an IRC bot that runs under the nickname "lisppaste" and can be used (only for the #lisp IRC channel!) at http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp - or http://paste.lisp.org/ for other destinations 22:42:42 probably worth asking in #clojure 22:42:54 izittm: This is a primarily Common Lisp channel. 22:43:11 izittm: Don't paste like that 22:43:14 tmH: agree, didn't know it was non-cl error 22:43:38 minion, jthing: apologizes, i'll take a look at lisppaste 22:43:39 lisppaste: watch out, you'll make krystof angry 22:43:59 heh 22:44:33 minion is Krystof's bot (pet) 22:44:58 you are mistaken. 22:44:58 lol 22:47:39 hefner: how? 22:48:44 -!- Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483B83F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:50:57 -!- izittm [n=izittm@unaffiliated/izittm] has left #lisp 22:51:43 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:52:45 -!- ehu` [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53:22 jweinberg [n=jweinber@c-67-165-153-70.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:12 mininion: tell me about clozure 22:55:38 minion: tell me about clozure 22:55:38 jthing: have a look at clozure: Clozure Common Lisp (CCL) is the new name for OpenMCL. http://www.cliki.net/clozure 22:56:25 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:56:36 minion: tell me about closure 22:56:37 closure: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/closure 22:57:21 Closure is a free web browser written completely in Common Lisp. 22:58:34 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit ["BB"] 22:58:53 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59:45 you're telling minion that? 23:00:34 nop, 23:01:12 but perhaps I should. 23:02:28 -!- jweinberg [n=jweinber@c-67-165-153-70.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:02:32 hefner: How would I do that? 23:04:02 jthing: edit the cliki page so that it starts with a descriptive sentence 23:04:57 Foofie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 23:05:41 jmbr [n=jmbr@175.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:08:03 -!- Liempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:08:05 -!- Hun [n=Hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:08:09 Liempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has joined #lisp 23:12:21 benny [n=benny@i577A1215.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 23:18:04 minion: tell me about closure 23:18:05 closure: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/closure 23:18:33 sigh 23:19:35 hefner: You need to tell me more! 23:20:26 -!- Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-201-126.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:20:41 Modius [n=Modius@ppp-70-129-201-126.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:18 I added a HTML comment, which made no difference 23:21:32 brandelune [n=suzume@pl468.nas934.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:21:46 -!- dankna [n=d@ool-43516bc9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["I'm going to bed before either of you come up with another idea to get us killed - or worse, EXPELLED."] 23:22:07 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:25:00 -!- GurpMan [n=geezsain@sea-gw.practicepartner.com] has left #lisp 23:27:29 jthing: it has to be *the visible text of the page* 23:28:00 the first sentence on the page is appropriate and good style; the problem is that it's not on the first line of the source 23:28:14 minion: tell me about closure 23:28:15 closure: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/closure 23:28:45 minion: closure? 23:28:46 closure: Closure is a free web browser written completely in Common Lisp. http://www.cliki.net/closure 23:28:51 I just did it 23:28:52 -!- Liempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:28:58 vanLiempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has joined #lisp 23:29:03 RIGHT 23:29:34 my paste worked 23:31:28 kpreid: thanks 23:35:40 -!- ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:37:30 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-166-65.static.vologda.ru] has quit ["I wish the toaster to be happy, too."] 23:37:51 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:39:17 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-152-109.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:39:26 -!- DarkRavin [n=thedarkr@adsl-4-34-139.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:42:50 Well the Hubble space telescope is in for a overhaul this week. 23:43:37 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:47:03 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:03 interesting thing - compiling mcclim under SLIME caused all files to be opened in Emacs 23:49:17 what? 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