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I've defined a simple (deftype mytype (a b) `(cons a b)), which shows up when I do (describe 'mytype), but I'm unable to create an instance of it (mytype 'one 'two). It says function not defined. Shouldn't it be? (I'm using sbcl on ubuntu) 01:04:39 sbt: (deftype mytype (a b) `(cons a b)) doesn't do what you want (you probably want to unquote somewhere). I also don't understand why you think you can use a type like a normal form. 01:05:34 Steele gives an example of a type square-matrix 01:05:46 sbt: You don't create instances of types. Types name sets of values, but they aren't distinct; your 'mytype' would describe any cons with a car of type A and a cdr of type B (provided you fix the definition) 01:06:14 ok 01:07:17 hmm. 01:08:21 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-53.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 01:11:01 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1109.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:15:32 -!- ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:17:34 jao [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:17:48 verdammelt [n=user@c-76-118-181-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:18:50 seangrove [n=seangrov@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:19:38 hey all, trying to setup SLIME - do I need to install a backend? 01:19:42 the docs seem to say so 01:19:43 -!- Yuuhi [n=user@p5483CBBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 01:25:11 Kirklander [n=Kirkland@216.93.247.56] has joined #lisp 01:25:14 it isn't something separate to install, just follow the instructions for configuring it with your lisp of choice 01:29:12 ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has joined #lisp 01:29:16 -!- milanj [n=milan@79.101.137.226] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:29:31 Jacob_ [n=yong@61.181.247.170] has joined #lisp 01:30:00 -!- Jacob_ is now known as Guest50210 01:37:03 mcox [n=markcox@203-214-126-107.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 01:39:51 Hey all. How do you compile a 32 bit version of SBCL on a 64 bit machine? I've tried SBCL_ARCH=x86 sh make.sh, but it fails when doing "cc ... -o alloc.o alloc.c" with "Error: Incorrect register '%rbx' used with 'l' suffix. 01:40:10 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:42:07 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 01:42:30 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-4-64.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [] 01:46:27 HET3 [n=diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 01:46:57 snippyhollow [n=snippyho@212.116.219.91] has joined #lisp 01:48:21 sikilpaake [n=angie@189.202.45.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #lisp 01:49:17 -!- snippyhollow [n=snippyho@212.116.219.91] has left #lisp 01:49:47 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:49:48 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@68.160.211.192] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:51:23 -!- HET2 [n=diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:53:51 bugrum [n=vedam@c-98-201-95-13.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:31 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-151-205-119-205.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:58 has anyone successfully installed cells-gtk3 on SBCL? I tried installing and I keep getting the error "EXCL does not designate any package." any ideas? 01:55:09 I use SBCL 1.0.20 01:55:15 sikilpaake1 [n=angie@189.202.45.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #lisp 01:56:16 -!- sikilpaake [n=angie@189.202.45.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:57:54 bugrum: no, but it sounds like that was written for ACL. EXCL is a prominent package in ACL and I've not seen it in any other implementation. 01:58:53 If it was written to be portable, probably someone forgot an #+allegro. 02:02:25 does anybody know what the memory usage is like for conses vs. structs. specifically does (defstruct mystruct a b) use more memory than (cons a b)? 02:02:25 LiamH: okay, this must mean I have a little bit more work to get that installed 02:02:25 -!- _death [n=death@nessers.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:02:27 thanks 02:03:40 _death [n=death@nessers.org] has joined #lisp 02:07:08 hey all, with emacs/slime, how can I bring up what was last typed in the REPL? 02:07:28 alt+P 02:08:36 sbt - instances of (defstruct (mystruct (:type list)) a b) will use as much memory as (list a b). 02:09:20 thanks sbt 02:09:48 largely because it's a long-winded way of saying the same thing. :-) 02:10:25 sbt: structures (real structures, not what ayrnieu suggests) have an overhead of several words, depending on your implementation. curiously, this was discussed earlier today. I think it was said that a structure in SBCL has four words of overhead. 02:10:45 (what I suggest also has that overhead.) 02:10:59 ok, I'm using sbcl and memory is scarce. thanks for info. 02:11:01 oh, you mean words of memory, not those accessors. 02:11:33 simard [n=user@modemcable234.226-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 02:11:51 *hefner* is incorrect 02:12:23 but yeah, that's a wash 02:13:06 (two words of overhead plus two slots, so it works out the same as two conses) 02:13:07 -!- HET3 [n=diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:14:30 -!- sikilpaake1 [n=angie@189.202.45.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:15:32 does anyone know where I can find Marco Baringer's SLIME tutorial movie in a decent resolution ? 02:15:41 so that I can read the text.. 02:17:13 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has joined #lisp 02:17:44 found one.. 02:18:35 -!- gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has quit [] 02:19:14 sikilpaake1 [n=angie@189.202.45.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #lisp 02:22:33 -!- simard [n=user@modemcable234.226-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:24:23 -!- bugrum [n=vedam@c-98-201-95-13.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:29:14 grkz [n=qsvans@pdpc/supporter/active/grkz] has joined #lisp 02:30:32 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:31:42 -!- konr [n=karkeej@201.82.139.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:32:24 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:32:30 konr [n=karkeej@201.82.139.214] has joined #lisp 02:32:56 mjonsson [n=mjonsson@66-234-42-80.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:59 -!- verdammelt [n=user@c-76-118-181-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 02:34:06 -!- dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [] 02:36:44 KingThomasIV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:35 -!- moocow [n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:40:48 dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:48:28 -!- sikilpaake1 [n=angie@189.202.45.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has left #lisp 02:53:05 WarWeasle [n=brad@c-98-220-168-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:55 drewc: hi. 02:55:24 Hello, does anyone know if the common-lisp.net usenet servers are down? 02:55:35 WarWeasle: their mail seems to be down too 02:56:06 Cool, thanks. I was afraid they might be filtering gmail. 02:59:13 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.1.19/2008110600]"] 03:00:23 dto: Do you know anything more about their outage? 03:00:25 -!- timchen1` is now known as nasloc__ 03:00:30 no, i've been trying to ping drewc 03:01:38 dto: is that a person or a pc? 03:03:11 a person on the channel who i was told to talk to about cl.net admin issues 03:03:21 i was trying to get lisppaste bot on my channel 03:06:02 I'm trying to get a patch to cl-opengl. 03:13:42 dto: Anyway. Thanks 03:13:52 -!- WarWeasle [n=brad@c-98-220-168-14.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:14:40 is there a reason sb-sys:fd-stream-fd is exported but sb-posix:file-descriptor isn't? is the former really the preferred way to call it? 03:15:01 -!- dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [] 03:19:27 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-b73bab474a26d2db] has joined #lisp 03:19:58 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-b73bab474a26d2db] has left #lisp 03:22:53 -!- anekos is now known as awayekos 03:23:49 -!- LiamH [n=nobody@pool-68-239-77-4.res.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 03:26:00 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 03:26:12 -!- awayekos is now known as anekos 03:28:44 -!- ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:34:28 when working in slime, is it normal to do everything in the REPL, or do you usually work in a buffer and then execute it all? 03:35:02 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [] 03:35:12 seangrove: i'm sure it depends on personal preference and the code you're working on, but i find myself having a bunch of scratch code in buffers that I eval-last-sexp 03:35:19 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 03:36:20 Qsquare`: the reason I ask - every time I hit enter, it evaluates the line I'm working in REPl (of course) - it makes it hard to format if statements, etc. 03:37:20 I normally work on the source and then have it reload as necessary. 03:37:32 seangrove: yeah, to take advantage of thinks like indentation rules, i usually write that kind of scratch code in a buffer and eval it 03:37:39 ah, ok, got it 03:37:39 The repl is more useful for interaction rather than authoring. 03:37:41 thanks 03:37:43 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [Client Quit] 03:37:57 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 03:38:08 just use a scratch buffer then, eh? Let me give it a try... 03:38:08 *scratch* is good too for things that are really transient 03:38:55 *_3b* uses .lisp files, and C-c C-c forms as they are modified 03:40:29 <_3b> or sometimes C-x C-e or M-C-x if i want to see the results 03:44:15 seangrove: but AFAIK you can indent in REPL with C-j 03:44:27 seems like slime mode in my scratch buffer isn't indenting properly 03:44:33 ah, great, thanks stepnem 03:44:58 hugod [n=hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279775610.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:45:35 and M-p and M-n will browse by whole inputs, not lines 03:46:25 what do I need to do get a buffer to auto-indent correctly? 03:46:50 ah, I got it 03:47:44 lisp mode 03:48:12 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-100-82-124.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 03:48:34 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 04:00:36 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:01:10 azathoth99 [n=g@cpe-76-174-28-249.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:02:52 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-24.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:06 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [] 04:09:39 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 04:10:14 -!- azathoth99 [n=g@cpe-76-174-28-249.socal.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 04:10:52 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [Client Quit] 04:11:08 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 04:11:57 woopdeedoo [n=bite@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:02 -!- Qsquare` [n=user@208.75.91.170] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:15:25 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:17:36 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 04:22:07 ooxwo [n=user@dsl093-174-240.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:30 Hey all, I'm trying to get asdf-install going, but having a rough time with the gpg part of things. My current issue is that somehow the signer's public key wasn't found in my public keyring? How do I add it to my public keyring? And how do I establish a trust relationship with the signer? 04:24:44 Thanks in advance 04:27:45 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:28:23 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 04:29:04 chpln [n=chpln@ppp121-45-157-74.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:30:30 jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 04:33:12 -!- bohanlon [n=bohanlon@pool-71-184-223-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["I fear that I must depart for now."] 04:33:37 -!- Zakaleth [n=fowler@86-46-215-152-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:37:01 Qsquare [n=dima@208.75.91.170] has joined #lisp 04:37:58 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [] 04:38:29 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 04:39:39 -!- H4ns1 is now known as H4ns 04:43:41 -!- mtd [n=martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 04:44:19 -!- yipstar [n=user@cpe-74-64-96-182.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:46:31 -!- sbt [n=sbt@rrcs-208-125-96-78.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 04:48:02 yipstar [n=user@cpe-67-243-12-181.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:51:25 -!- ooxwo [n=user@dsl093-174-240.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:04:05 snippy [n=snippyho@212.116.219.91] has joined #lisp 05:11:26 -!- snippy [n=snippyho@212.116.219.91] has left #lisp 05:21:18 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:21:36 adityo [n=adityo@202.87.51.241] has joined #lisp 05:25:50 -!- mjonsson [n=mjonsson@66-234-42-80.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:26:28 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087E0B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 05:26:52 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:27:37 -!- tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has left #lisp 05:27:40 KingThomasV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:57 Vicfred [n=Vicfred@189.228.32.2] has joined #lisp 05:29:30 -!- KingThomasV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:29:48 KingThomasV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:28 good morning 05:33:03 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 05:33:34 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-210-14.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit ["Valete!"] 05:35:41 smolyn [n=smolyn@S01060016cbc4b572.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:27 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-131-24.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:42:29 -!- aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:43:04 -!- KingThomasV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:43:13 ``Erik_ [n=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:43:45 -!- ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:43:47 KingThomasV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:43:55 -!- KingThomasIV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:45:32 DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@pool-173-58-94-2.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:09 quick question, how do you make the runtime forget a function definition? 05:47:22 <_3b> clhs fmakunbound 05:47:23 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fmakun.htm 05:47:46 thanks 05:50:21 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-210-14.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 05:51:26 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:52:56 -!- The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087E0B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:54:06 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-58ecba4da453a4a4] has joined #lisp 05:56:31 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 05:58:10 lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has joined #lisp 06:00:50 -!- KingThomasV is now known as KingThomasIV 06:01:24 -!- chpln [n=chpln@ppp121-45-157-74.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:01:25 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-210-14.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:01:56 chpln [n=chpln@ppp121-45-157-74.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:04:30 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-58ecba4da453a4a4] has left #lisp 06:04:52 Axioplase [n=Pied@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 06:04:54 Hi. 06:05:22 Is any black magic required to use clc under ubuntu? 06:05:31 clc? 06:06:19 oh, common lisp controller 06:06:23 common-lisp-controller 06:06:53 (clc:clc-require :sdl-demos) -> package "CLC" not found 06:06:59 kiuma [n=kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:07:40 <_3b> clc isn't too popular in #lisp 06:08:38 <_3b> you could try (require :clc) first though 06:09:03 is clc sbcl-only? 06:09:10 (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op 'clc) :P 06:09:47 <_3b> i think it is supposed to work with multiple lisps, no idea which though 06:11:27 _3b: that seems to be required by cl-sdl which I want to use. But I would not complain if I had to use an asdf-only version 06:11:40 -!- smolyn is now known as smolyn|away 06:12:11 <_3b> any reason not to use lispbuilder-sdl instead? 06:12:33 iirc, cl-sdl is old and unsupported. maybe I'm wrong. 06:12:52 I'm using lb-sdl and having a pretty great time :) 06:13:02 _3b: just the fact that I don't know it. 06:13:04 <_3b> yeah, that's why i suggested it 06:13:16 I had guessed thanks :) 06:14:09 tombom [i=tombom@82.26.199.23] has joined #lisp 06:14:39 ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.66.47] has joined #lisp 06:16:36 kenyao [n=kenyao@121.32.168.96] has joined #lisp 06:16:41 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 06:29:46 gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-177-220.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 06:30:42 -!- Vicfred [n=Vicfred@189.228.32.2] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:33:13 -!- ltriant [n=luket@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:33:44 Aankhen`` [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has joined #lisp 06:39:26 -!- smolyn|away is now known as smolyn 06:40:17 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-148-237.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:40:50 -!- xan_ is now known as xan 06:40:50 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 06:41:26 fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6E337.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:31 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:43:32 kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:54 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 06:45:54 -!- djinni` [n=djinni`@ludios.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:46:06 djinni` [n=djinni`@ludios.net] has joined #lisp 06:46:34 -!- smolyn [n=smolyn@S01060016cbc4b572.vc.shawcable.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 06:48:33 mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@che33-1-82-66-18-171.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:59 good morning 06:50:50 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:56:00 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:02:47 Soulman [n=kvirc@42.84-48-88.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 07:03:33 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:45 KingNato_ [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 07:03:50 MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 07:06:37 HET3 [n=diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 07:07:13 KingNato__ [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 07:07:52 -!- KingNato_ [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:11:51 ignas [n=ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 07:15:28 Hello 07:16:41 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 07:19:02 vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has joined #lisp 07:19:22 Are there any CL equivalents of pack/unpack of Perl? 07:20:39 -!- KingNato [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [No route to host] 07:20:41 Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@port-12338.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 07:20:41 -!- z` is now known as tltstc 07:20:41 vy: no, but see binary-types 07:20:47 minion: binary-types 07:20:48 binary-types: Binary-types is a Library for accessing binary files with fixed bit-length code-words. http://www.cliki.net/binary-types 07:22:03 nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 07:23:31 Hrm... binary-types appears to be quite outdated. Anyway, let's see what it supplies. 07:24:32 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-177-220.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 07:24:47 hah. outdated? 07:25:20 hefner: Last update was in 2003 and no ASDF functionality. Am I missing something? 07:26:05 *hefner* shrugs 07:28:05 mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4599.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 07:31:05 alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has joined #lisp 07:31:44 -!- alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has left #lisp 07:32:14 alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has joined #lisp 07:34:03 Grilinctus [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has joined #lisp 07:34:03 -!- Cryovat [n=null@m217h.studby.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:35:55 -!- HET3 [n=diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 07:36:18 -!- KingNato__ [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:36:37 I started defining a function in emacs' REPL - I decided I need to add a conditional if at the beginning of the function, but that upsets the balance of parenthesis. Any I add go to the end of the function - how am I to get around this? 07:36:56 VityokOrgUa [n=user@193.109.118.130] has joined #lisp 07:37:08 KingNato [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 07:38:21 seangrove: use paredit or plain emacs M-1 M-( 07:38:35 great, thanks 07:38:46 getting used to it, but I love using lisp in emacs so far 07:39:36 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6E337.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["humhum"] 07:41:15 mega1: ooh, I just read your code alignment post 07:41:16 Irregardless [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has joined #lisp 07:41:38 you may be interested to learn that the computer that runs boinkmarks has an amd cpu (: 07:41:38 -!- Irregardless is now known as Guest67236 07:42:04 opteron 250, to be precise 07:42:05 antifuchs: it helps that all my posts go on top whenever I write a new one :-) 07:42:13 haha 07:42:21 antifuchs: yes, I knew 07:42:31 I just saw you tested with an opteron after all 07:43:59 -!- Guest50210 [n=yong@61.181.247.170] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:47:18 pierre_thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-173-50.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:18 goblin [n=goblin@mail.skepsis.ro] has joined #lisp 07:48:20 mornin' 07:50:27 -!- pierre_thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-173-50.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:50:49 pierre_thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-173-50.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:52:41 -!- Guest67236 [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has quit ["Dear God, thank you for making Asano stupid."] 07:53:17 Irregardless [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has joined #lisp 07:53:25 Ugh. 07:53:36 -!- Aankhen`` [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:53:39 -!- Irregardless is now known as Guest57997 07:53:43 -!- Guest57997 is now known as Aankhen`` 07:56:47 -!- nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:57:45 -!- jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:58:26 latest count: 25 07:58:42 -!- Grilinctus [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:59:02 aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:59:08 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-79-183-118-182.red.bezeqint.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 08:00:23 ilitirit_ [n=john@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #lisp 08:00:54 -!- ilitirit_ [n=john@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 08:03:01 how about paredit for "enclosed in parenthesis around indented block"? 08:04:12 -!- dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [] 08:07:19 Grilinctus [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has joined #lisp 08:07:50 dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:17:48 drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-135-18.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 08:22:00 IMHO, CL should also have something similar to SRFI-16, CASE-LAMBDA. 08:22:52 Jacob_ [n=yong@61.181.247.170] has joined #lisp 08:23:21 -!- Jacob_ is now known as Guest53259 08:23:32 -!- Guest53259 [n=yong@61.181.247.170] has quit [Client Quit] 08:23:58 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 08:24:10 Jacob__ [n=yong@61.181.247.170] has joined #lisp 08:24:34 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:25:41 -!- Aankhen`` [n=heysquid@122.162.157.148] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:25:48 -!- KingThomasIV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Success] 08:26:48 pierre__thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-173-50.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:27:14 younder [n=jpthing@084202158137.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #lisp 08:28:20 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 08:29:34 huh, els is happening in may after all... 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09:39:52 -!- seangrove [n=seangrov@cpe-76-90-50-75.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 09:41:06 -!- yangsx [n=yangsx@218.247.244.25] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:48:11 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087E0B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:48:53 spiaggia: working home for now, so far so good :) 09:50:04 netfrog [n=xchat@line106-24.adsl.actcom.co.il] has joined #lisp 09:51:08 brill [n=brill@0x57386175.hrnqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 09:51:30 -!- hdfhefgaert43t [n=bite@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:52:17 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 09:52:30 -!- brill [n=brill@0x57386175.hrnqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:05 -!- KingNato_ [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:53:13 KingNato [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has joined #lisp 09:53:45 -!- KingNato [n=KingNato@fw.polopoly.com] has quit [Client Quit] 09:54:57 -!- netfrog [n=xchat@line106-24.adsl.actcom.co.il] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:57:13 spiaggia: normally the debugger says # or similar 09:57:24 but it might have gotten more confused than usual 09:57:31 So to avoid such debugging problems, one should probably specialize both parameters to print-object so that the existing method will be used in case of error messages. 09:57:58 Xof: sometimes it does, but not always. 09:59:23 aah. Lectures finished, exams written, textbook finished, ... it's almost like I have rejoined some kind of sanity 10:00:16 "There is no applicable method for the generic function # when called with arguments #." Hmm... 10:00:46 Xof: Is the academic year over already? 10:01:11 the teaching year is. Exams after Easter (along with a couple of revision sessions) 10:01:19 then marking, then moderating, then exam board etc 10:01:31 Xof: what country is that? 10:01:33 but this should all be a lot less insane than the last 8 months have been 10:01:35 madnificent: the UK 10:02:27 (values (type-of 1000000000) (type-of -1000000000)) => (INTEGER 536870912) BIGNUM 10:02:58 legal, but why do it like that? 10:04:50 because the thing returned for a positive number has to be a subtype of unsigned-byte as well as bignum 10:05:03 there is no such constraint for a negative number 10:06:47 aha, thanks 10:08:18 -!- matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:11:10 -!- kenyao [n=kenyao@121.32.168.96] has quit ["My God! Gone..."] 10:18:24 What are the options to diff so that I can produce a patch(1)-able diff file? 10:18:37 (for several files) 10:18:55 elias` [n=me@cs78208074.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:20:48 unless your files are all in two separate directories, I would produce one diff file per compared file 10:21:15 diff dir1 dir2 should produce a patch file for all the files in those directories 10:22:38 goblin [n=goblin@mail.skepsis.ro] has joined #lisp 10:22:47 Yeah, I got that far. However, I distributed a bunch of Lisp files to my students, and now I want to distribute a diff so that when they say patch But it's not that important. I'll figure something out. 10:23:38 so put your originals in one directory, your new ones in a second, run diff, and tell your students to run patch -p1 (run patch -p1 from the directory where they saved the files you originally distributed) 10:24:54 spiaggia: diff -Naur old-src-dir new-src-dir > diffs.patch ; cd old-src-dir ; patch -p1 < ../diffs.patch 10:25:27 Thanks everyone. 10:26:18 -!- Axioplase [n=Pied@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit ["leaving"] 10:26:44 matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has joined #lisp 10:28:17 -!- saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 10:31:12 -!- jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:31:48 crod [n=cmell@x250008.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 10:39:06 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-151-205-119-205.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:41:19 seamus-android [n=user@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust124.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 10:43:54 ZabaQ [n=jconnors@194-105-174-193.ifb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:44:13 mmm..nothing like the smell of fresh slime in the morning. 10:44:49 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-135-18.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving."] 10:44:52 maybe you should do a wash :P 10:47:23 Actually, how am I supposed to start swank manually these days? What happened to swank::create-server? 10:48:35 does it not have it anymore? 10:49:33 no, false alarm. it's still there! 10:49:57 schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 10:52:50 -!- pierre__thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-173-50.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:56:22 Odd, I have *slime-events*, but no repl 10:57:08 ZabaQ: If you issued CREATE-SERVER manually, you'll also need to issue SLIME-CONNECT manually. 10:57:42 The last event I get is (:return (:ok ... )) 10:59:13 I'm supposed to load swank via asdf? 10:59:19 do you have slime-repl contrib loaded? 10:59:31 Yuuhi [n=user@p5483EBC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:35 stassats`: No how do I do that? 10:59:49 (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) in .emacs 11:01:00 aha! I have a repl! 11:01:37 Now I'm cooking with beans! 11:04:10 If I recall correctly, I once had read a sentence in one of the Lisp related books similar to that one: The worst thing about Lisp is that when you start coding Lisp you don't want to code in any other programming language. Does it ring any bells? What's the name of the book? 11:04:18 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:04:22 oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:25 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:07:16 wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has joined #lisp 11:07:29 is in Lisp something like dolist but working on sequence, not list ? 11:07:44 frank_s_ [n=frank@41.145.42.12] has joined #lisp 11:08:10 -!- frank_s [n=frank@41.145.42.12] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:09:04 (loop for i across sequence do (... i)) 11:09:22 Krystof [n=csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:09:39 oki, thx stassats` 11:10:10 argh 11:10:25 ((let ((threshold #.(/ least-positive-double-float double-float-epsilon)) 11:11:22 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 11:14:49 irrat.lisp: (let ((t0 #.(/ 1 (sqrt 2.0d0))) 11:14:49 irrat.lisp: (ln2 #.(log 2d0)) 11:14:49 irrat.lisp: #.(/ (+ (log 2.0d0) 11:15:14 *Krystof* throws his hands up in the air in horror 11:20:06 -!- kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net"] 11:24:05 appletizer [i=user@82-32-123-217.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:24:14 -!- moesenle [n=moesenle@atradig124.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:24:41 -!- Goran_ [n=rsx@77-102-93-165.cable.ubr11.camd.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:25:51 billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 11:26:30 Krystof: what was wrong with that? 11:26:44 ljosa [n=ljosa@gm3b6-dd5.broad.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 11:26:53 -!- elias` [n=me@unaffiliated/elias/x-342423] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 11:27:13 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 11:29:05 Is there any way to put 2 new values in substitute function ? eg: (substitute #\.. #\SPACE "0 2 4 6") -> "0..2..4..6" ? 11:29:38 I attempted to implement Perl's pack in CL, and after 1-2 hours, I realize that its equivalent to implementing a LL(1) parser for a salad of input types (string, uoctet vector, octet vector, int vector, etc.). Any shortcut suggestions? 11:30:15 vy: what's wrong with binary-types? 11:30:34 deat [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:30:47 vy: http://www.cliki.net/Binary-types 11:30:48 MrSpec: You can use CL-PPCRE:REGEX-REPLACE. 11:32:29 vy, wow, perl in Lisp, it's nice :D 11:33:32 ZabaQ: this is all in sbcl's implementation itself 11:33:53 evaluating floating point expressions at read-time will yield a floating point result as computed from the host compiler's float implementation 11:34:04 that may be radically different from the answer we cant 11:36:05 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:36:13 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:36:39 erm, "want" 11:36:49 H4ns: No grouping, no argument passing (e.g. "$t X[$t]"), (although i'm not sure) restricted to ASCII characters. 11:36:50 Krystof: oic. Should have realised it was SBCL source. 11:37:04 vy: This is perfectly true, once you try it, you can't go back. 11:38:14 yakman_ [n=yakman_@212.85.24.35] has joined #lisp 11:42:23 elias` [n=me@cs78208074.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:44:03 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 11:44:23 silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has joined #lisp 11:46:07 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 11:46:16 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["night"] 11:46:22 rdd [n=user@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 11:47:13 -!- appletizer [i=user@82-32-123-217.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:56:24 -!- yakman_ [n=yakman_@212.85.24.35] has quit ["a CBIRC user"] 11:57:49 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:58:02 in-code-we-trust [n=Miranda@213.129.54.27] has joined #lisp 11:59:15 oudeis [n=oudeis@89-139-6-116.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 12:00:28 lichtblau [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:01:22 Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 12:02:28 flomaster [n=Miranda@213.129.54.27] has joined #lisp 12:02:32 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:53 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.0.90.1"] 12:05:11 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 12:05:21 I just saw David Moon's PLOT today! What do you guys think of it? 12:05:30 Krystof: did you also receive an annontated PDF from Document Numerique? 12:06:13 -!- Chrononaut [n=bjorn@obvcode.net] has left #lisp 12:07:32 I'm not quite sure what to think of it. It smells like Common Lisp with a kitchen sink, and if you squint it looks the same, too. 12:08:33 spiaggia: no 12:08:41 crap! 12:09:07 flomaster_ [n=Miranda@213.129.54.27] has joined #lisp 12:09:12 Xof: I'll send it to you. There are minor fixes (spelling, etc) that need to be made by today. 12:09:14 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:09:15 gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-176-76.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:09:16 Xof: can you do it? 12:09:18 yes 12:10:07 I shouldn't have told you that I am almost free! 12:16:12 Xof: I could have done it if I were able to compile the sources. But yeah, that helped as well :) 12:16:19 Xof: Most things are minor. 12:16:42 -!- crod [n=cmell@x250008.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:17:08 Xof: There are some comments I don't understand though. Would you like me to give the person a call? 12:17:10 crod [n=cmell@nttkyo036048.tkyo.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:17:31 -!- Riastrad1 is now known as Riastradh 12:17:51 -!- goblin [n=goblin@mail.skepsis.ro] has left #lisp 12:17:57 goblin [n=goblin@mail.skepsis.ro] has joined #lisp 12:18:29 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 12:18:34 ^authentic [n=authenti@85-127-21-34.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 12:20:58 nyef [n=nyef@pool-64-222-164-136.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:04 G'morning all. 12:21:23 -!- in-code-we-trust [n=Miranda@213.129.54.27] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:22:02 tic: I don't the so called regular syntax of PLOT, I prefer 'standard' Lisp syntax (like Common Lisp has). 12:22:47 -!- poolio [n=poolio@bz.bzflag.bz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:22:50 poolio [n=poolio@bz.bzflag.bz] has joined #lisp 12:23:50 What was the rationale for allowing circular dependencies in ASDF? 12:24:09 edon [n=edon@albalug/edon] has joined #lisp 12:24:44 aerique, so do I (after about a year or so, heh) 12:25:19 aerique, but that's probably because I have bad memory and can't be bothered to remember the odd syntaxes of non-regular languages :) 12:25:21 -!- flomaster [n=Miranda@213.129.54.27] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:25:53 mooto [n=chatzill@202.114.113.2] has joined #lisp 12:28:11 tic: same here :) I haven't thoroughly read about PLOT yet (I'm at work at the moment) so I'm wondering if he explains his decision for that syntax? Is it to appease the masses? 12:28:19 Things that PLOT might allow could include syntax normalisation, and hence syntax-independent patching, syntax-independent views etc. 12:28:36 that would be nice 12:28:39 -!- flomaster_ is now known as in-code-we-trust 12:28:58 That'd be wonderful, but I'm not quite sure if that's possible yet with it. 12:30:03 Krystof: do you have acroread? 12:30:44 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 12:30:50 It's one step further from program=text, which is the future, if you ask me (you probably don't). 12:31:01 Krystof: Xpdf can't display the comments, which are sufficiently detailed that you can essentially just put them in as suggested. 12:31:08 aerique, haven't read it fully yet either. 12:31:11 hello 12:32:31 deepfire: that would be the same time in the future when computer become fully sentient? :) 12:33:41 I've seen people in #haskell-blah tossing around ideas about code represented by directly modifiable objects, merely serialized into text. 12:33:57 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-254-234.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 12:34:06 -!- authentic [n=authenti@unaffiliated/authentic] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:34:32 Krystof: OK, I don't feel too bad leaving that to you, because it should be a question of a few minutes to fix at most. 12:35:12 snippyhollow [n=snippyho@212.116.219.91] has joined #lisp 12:35:38 -!- snippyhollow [n=snippyho@212.116.219.91] has left #lisp 12:35:46 In the editor, that is. 12:35:58 Krystof: did you get my mail? 12:37:07 gz [n=gz@216.143.72.2] has joined #lisp 12:37:21 sellout [n=greg@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:37:35 Krystof: sorry for all the questions, but I need to go to a meeting in a few minutes, and I wanted to make sure you have all the elements necessary. 12:37:56 -!- ^authentic is now known as authentic 12:39:00 deepfire: aha! 12:40:29 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@117.192.13.3] has joined #lisp 12:42:54 dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 12:44:34 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has joined #lisp 12:49:43 Excelsior [n=Excelsio@c-24-118-179-88.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:49:45 arg 12:50:12 spiaggia: thanks, I'll work on it 12:50:34 latest count: 19 12:51:12 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has quit [Client Quit] 12:51:13 so, I'm obviously understanding something incorrectly. Is there any way to retain a list as a variable and be able to call it? As in, I'd like to be able to make a list called blah. Then, later, I'd like to append blah with other junk. 12:51:20 If I use defparameter it stores it as an object, no? 12:52:58 oudeis_ [n=oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 12:53:21 Excelsior: you mean like (setf blah (append blah other-junk)) ? 12:54:17 Hm 12:54:23 let me look up self I guess, but I think 12:54:41 er 12:54:41 boscop [n=boscop@g227086150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:54:42 ha 12:54:57 I took self to be a builtin or smth, don't think it is? 12:55:06 er, SETF not SELF 12:55:08 ah 12:55:19 setf 12:55:19 doh 12:55:27 time for a new programming font? :) 12:56:42 chris2 [n=chris@dslb-094-216-078-030.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:57:48 -!- ljosa [n=ljosa@gm3b6-dd5.broad.mit.edu] has quit [] 13:00:30 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@117.192.13.3] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:00:50 -!- adityo [n=adityo@202.87.51.241] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:01:13 Is there a way to make a counting number into a list? 13:01:34 As many ways as you can imagine. 13:01:46 as in if I use (loop for i in blah) can I append a list with i? 13:01:54 Personally I like to turn the number 42 into the list (fourty two) 13:02:20 If you're using loop, then look into collect. 13:03:32 Goran_ [n=rsx@77-102-93-165.cable.ubr11.camd.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:04:27 (loop for i from 1 to 10 collect i) 13:06:24 Zhivago: (mapcar (function intern) (split-sequence-if (lambda (ch) (find ch " -,")) (format nil "~:@(~R~)" 42))) 13:06:52 -!- seamus-android [n=user@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust124.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:07:08 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-188-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:08:03 Hm. Heh, thanks for the advice 13:08:17 I'm checking it out, just trying to play with getting a loop on multiple lines 13:09:38 mjonsson [n=mjonsson@66-234-42-80.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:04 LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 13:12:49 Oh! 13:13:00 Zhivago, I meant to use it as one instance, not collect them one after another. 13:13:13 er 13:13:14 wait 13:13:17 my bad 13:13:40 -!- chpln [n=chpln@ppp121-45-157-74.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:19:10 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@89-139-6-116.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:25:32 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has joined #lisp 13:27:44 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-40833665a953e899] has joined #lisp 13:27:58 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-40833665a953e899] has left #lisp 13:29:57 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:16 oh 13:31:16 doh 13:31:17 Zhivago 13:31:28 Got it 13:31:30 thanks for the help! 13:31:46 Excelsior, please, don't scroll my screen so fast.. 13:31:50 seems wasteful to cons a list of numbers only to iterate them 13:32:12 -!- mooto [n=chatzill@202.114.113.2] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:32:22 deepfire: Sorry for using your precious pixels :p 13:32:58 save our dwindling pixel supply! 13:33:33 *dlowe* wonders what the total energy cost of a single pixel is 13:35:26 car returns a number, not a list, right? 13:35:47 Excelsior: It would be nice if you could read documentation. 13:36:07 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 13:37:54 my bad 13:38:02 i think email service on c-l.net is back to normal, please let me know if there are any problems. 13:40:42 -!- mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4599.adsl.enternet.hu] has left #lisp 13:41:24 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:42:39 mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4599.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 13:44:43 yipstar` [n=user@cpe-72-227-165-64.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:46:14 -!- in-code-we-trust [n=Miranda@213.129.54.27] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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In any case, either you'll have to implement your own SPLIT, or you'll use SPLIT of some other package. 14:01:35 -!- Goran_ [n=rsx@77-102-93-165.cable.ubr11.camd.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #lisp 14:01:48 I have to send this program to someone without CL-PPCRE :\ 14:02:05 clear SBCL 14:02:09 bundle cl-ppcre? 14:02:19 copy all files to one ? 14:03:08 you could conceivably just split it yourself. I'm not sure why you'd want to save the equals sign 14:03:34 becouse it is equation ;) 14:06:20 MrSpec: Just load libraries and save SBCL image. And send this SBCL image to your friend. No dependencies, no source files, nothing; but just a single binary. 14:07:12 make sure to compress it first :p 14:07:45 my friend - is my lecturer :\ 14:07:59 sbcl image is about 8-10mb compressed with bzip2 14:08:05 (and is executable..) 14:08:12 btw SBCL image means copy directory ? 14:08:18 no 14:08:18 or how to do it ? 14:08:35 MrSpec: sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die 14:08:37 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Saving-a-Core-Image.html#Saving-a-Core-Image 14:08:45 ok thx 14:09:23 and I will get directory, compress it and thats all ? 14:11:58 KalifG [n=user@bloc-18.isc.tamu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:12:15 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:12:43 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 14:14:23 Brucio-8 [n=Brucio-8@dhcp7-57.geusnet.com] has joined #lisp 14:16:18 -!- Brucio-8 is now known as aggieben 14:16:48 -!- aggieben [n=Brucio-8@dhcp7-57.geusnet.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:16:58 tsuru [n=user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:59 -!- schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:18:49 no, you call sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die and that results in a core-file (which is executable if :executable is given a T) .. you can compress this file and distribute it .. 14:22:02 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 14:22:32 ok 14:22:38 divz [n=divz@125.99.120.106] has joined #lisp 14:24:55 hello!! I am new to lisp & installed s-xml-rpc successfully on my machine but when I use xml-rpc-call API as given at http://common-lisp.net/project/s-xml-rpc/, its throws me an error saying The function ENCODE-XML-RPC-CALL is undefined. 14:25:23 divz: plz help me with this as how to get around this problem 14:26:42 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has quit [Client Quit] 14:27:13 divz, think about packages or namespaces 14:27:19 divz: have you tried "apropos"? 14:27:51 H4ns: no 14:27:55 encode-xml-rpc-call is not placed in the cl-user package for obvious reasons .. most likely the s-xml-rpc library has placed all functions and stuff in its own package (namespace) 14:28:07 divz: have you read a tutorial text on common lisp? 14:30:38 -!- jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:31:26 -!- frank_s_ is now known as frank_s 14:31:46 milanj [n=milan@93.86.186.14] has joined #lisp 14:32:02 texodus [n=andrew@rrcs-24-103-78-113.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:32:12 -!- stassats` [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:33:12 I'm heading to the Boston Lisp Meeting tonight. It's been a while. 14:35:52 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:36:09 Is there something that returns T or not if a variable is defined or not? (Sorry, I couldn't figure out what to look for to try to look it up myself) 14:36:12 -!- oudeis_ [n=oudeis@bzq-218-0-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 14:36:20 sellout: I've tested funcall vs. eval on sbcl and ccl and they're equivalent, at least for simple forms 14:37:07 Excelsior: variable can be declared and can be bound 14:37:20 special variable, that is 14:45:40 mooto [n=chatzill@221.235.62.244] has joined #lisp 14:46:02 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 14:46:13 -!- dan_b [n=dan@82-68-20-86.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:46:24 dan_b [n=dan@82-68-20-86.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:46:36 willb [n=wibenton@wireless92.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 14:48:47 -!- mooto [n=chatzill@221.235.62.244] has quit [Client Quit] 14:52:39 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 14:55:04 jlf` [n=user@209.204.171.109] has joined #lisp 14:55:47 -!- pjb [n=t@free.informatimago.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:56:59 Adamant [n=Adamant@130.254.103.13] has joined #lisp 14:57:14 -!- gz [n=gz@216.143.72.2] has quit [] 14:58:40 newlisper [n=wschroed@128.252.233.244] has joined #lisp 14:58:46 Good morning. 15:00:03 Good afternoon newlisper ;) 15:00:41 -!- ivan4th [n=ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:02:08 smolyn [n=smolyn@S01060016cbc4b572.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:12 devsfore1 [n=ryan@cpe-74-71-135-253.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:03:30 oudeis [n=oudeis@DSL217-132-172-1.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 15:05:30 -!- ignas [n=ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:05:57 -!- authentic [n=authenti@unaffiliated/authentic] has quit ["[IRSSI]"] 15:06:03 Is it possible to see who calls whom, or who is called by whom, but restricted to a single file? 15:06:19 authentic [n=authenti@85-127-21-34.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:06:26 fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6E337.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:15 -!- divz [n=divz@125.99.120.106] has quit ["leaving"] 15:09:44 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 15:09:47 -!- jlf` [n=user@209.204.171.109] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:10:05 Quadrescence: It would seem to me that "file" is an odd concept for that sort of thing, that maybe not translates so well into the lisp. 15:10:14 jlf` [n=user@209.204.171.109] has joined #lisp 15:10:24 Quadrescence: But maybe you can poke around getting the SLIMe functions for seeing who calls and whatheck to do that. 15:10:38 schmx: This isn't really a lisp thing, this is more of a convenience thing. 15:10:42 gz [n=gz@216.143.72.173] has joined #lisp 15:10:47 Right. 15:10:50 Quadrescence: for sbcl you can look at #'sb-introspect:who-macroexpands 15:11:01 But you still wanted it to restrict itself to "one file" 15:11:42 I'm not so very convinced that the popular lisps actually keep track of that so very well :) But I could be way off here. 15:11:48 Quadrescence: I used that to recompile all files that use a macro, but that's not really usefull 15:11:48 willb1 [n=wibenton@wireless92.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 15:15:28 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@DSL217-132-172-1.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:15:34 -!- devsforev [n=ryan@cpe-74-71-135-253.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:15:41 ivan4th [n=ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 15:16:54 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:17:40 Xof: Krystof: I am leaving work in the next few minutes. You should be able to reach me later at home, by email or here (beach). 15:18:23 -!- Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:19:59 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-248-228.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:34 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:20:56 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 15:21:54 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 15:22:04 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:26 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #lisp 15:22:34 -!- willb [n=wibenton@wireless92.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:26:55 sb-introspect:find-definition-source returns a struct containing a slot; pathname 15:28:14 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:28:30 -!- grkz [n=qsvans@pdpc/supporter/active/grkz] has left #lisp 15:29:10 tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 15:29:25 Greetings! 15:30:23 Hi tmh 15:30:55 Hey LiamH. 15:33:00 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:37 is there any reason why swapping the values of ocfp-save-offset (= 0) and return-pc-save (= 1) is a bad idea on x86? 15:34:46 *return-pc-save-offset 15:35:54 That question makes me wonder if an Intel people ever show up on IRC to support development for their hardware. 15:35:58 *tmh* doubts it 15:36:55 doxtor [n=doxtor@unaffiliated/mitja] has joined #lisp 15:37:39 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:37:51 that was a rather sbcl specific question, though. 15:39:29 ejs1 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 15:42:21 mega1: Okay, I wouldn't have known either way. I'm not familiar with the implementation internals. The x86 made me think of alignment blog entries and that made me wonder how much experimentation could be avoided if the right people talked to each other. 15:44:24 kmcorbett [n=Keith@c-76-119-215-57.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:24 the Intel On-Site Optimization Team hasn't been knocking on my door since writing that post. 15:44:30 not that they ever did. 15:44:44 -!- lnostdal [i=lnostdal@149-234-40.oke2-bras6.adsl.tele2.no] has quit ["most people can fuck off and go to hell"] 15:45:03 -!- alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:47:54 lnostdal [i=lnostdal@149-234-40.oke2-bras6.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #lisp 15:48:57 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:50:30 -!- smolyn is now known as smolyn|away 15:50:31 I've found where it breaks. There was even a comment telling me to look out: "Note that this will only work right if, when old-fp is on the stack, it has a lower tn-offset than return-pc." 15:54:11 -!- LostMonarch [n=roby@host209-120-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["raise RuntimeError"] 15:54:31 spradnyesh [n=pradyus@117.192.18.152] has joined #lisp 15:55:29 -!- smolyn|away is now known as smolyn 15:56:07 -!- smolyn [n=smolyn@S01060016cbc4b572.vc.shawcable.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 16:01:16 mega1: Swapping the OCFP and RA slots on the stack? I got that mostly working, I think... 16:02:14 Oh, right, I -did- get that working, it was biasing the frame pointer properly that was a pain. 16:02:36 http://www.lisphacker.com/temp/x86-switch-ocfp-and-returnpc.diff and http://www.lisphacker.com/temp/x86-frame-pointer-bias-WORKING.diff 16:03:05 nyef: thanks, reading it 16:05:00 nyef: gotta love that fnord on the frontpage ;) 16:07:00 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["..."] 16:07:26 hi. i'm having trouble getting SBCL running on windows. i installed tar using cygwin. when i run sbcl from the windows menu, it works but asdf-install can't find tar. when i run sbcl from cygwin shell, i get "cannot find /usr/local/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core 16:07:29 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-4-7.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:08:04 nyef: are you the person to talk to about getting #rlx added to the lisppaste bot 16:08:04 ? 16:08:52 dto: you need to specify --core, look at the command for the windows shortcut. Maybe a batch file is in order. 16:09:09 -!- shizzy0 [n=shane@c-76-105-6-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:09:29 ah 16:09:32 *tmh* just realizes that he no longer has SBCL on his windows VM 16:09:45 The relocatable cold cores diff is surprisingly short.. 16:10:06 My windows VM crashed and burned and I had to reinstall from scratch, otherwise I'd be of more help. 16:10:24 Maybe I should get SBCL installed. 16:10:40 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has joined #lisp 16:10:46 tmh: ok, now I run (require :asdf-install) and i get The file sbcl.core\\ does not exist 16:10:57 this is after sbcl starts correctly, or seems to 16:11:01 oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-84-109-137-43.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:47 Fufie [n=poff@Gatekeeper.vizrt.com] has joined #lisp 16:12:07 dto: This is where I would need a running SBCL to help. I do 99% of my work on Linux and only run Windows in a VM to support customers. 16:12:16 nyef: what does the fp bias patch supposed to accomplish? 16:12:18 ah ok. 16:12:22 tmh: thanks anyway tho :) 16:12:51 -!- tessier_ [n=treed@kernel-panic/sex-machines] has left #lisp 16:12:56 -!- wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has quit [] 16:13:00 -!- srcerer [n=chatzill@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:13:33 -!- spradnyesh [n=pradyus@117.192.18.152] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13:36 beach: thanks. The mails that the editor has sent me have specified the end of the week as a deadline 16:13:43 beach: I have all the materials 16:14:35 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:15:08 dto: If you get an answer for this, I would be interested. 17:45:15 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@master.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 17:45:15 17:45:15 -!- names: ccl-logbot hyperbor1ean kib2 mrsolo_ vininim Odin- gz shizzy0 yipstar gigamonkey myrkraverk`` CallToPower rdd srcerer smolyn fjs Davidbrcz willb amnesiac devsforev Nshag lnostdal kmcorbett doxtor tmh athos jeremiah ivan4th jlf` fiveop authentic newlisper dan_b stassats milanj tsuru cpc26 KalifG segv Athas mega1 cracki LiamH jewel chris2 boscop dlowe sellout edon poolio nyef crod gemelen mathrick tritchey Jasko lichtblau elias` deat billstclair 17:45:15 -!- names: kejsaren frank_s Yuuhi ZabaQ amazingdander daniel Riastradh KingThomasIV hkBst mtd dysinger VityokOrgUa vy mejja MrSpec Soulman mvilleneuve djinni` eno ntoll tombom kiuma ``Erik Qsquare mrsolo hugod konr _death mcox Kirklander jao benny` madnificent cmatei yahooooo jfactor H4ns ia dto rumbleca_ deepfire slyrus rotty xan metasyntax nasloc__ schmx larstobi msingh hyperboreean l_a_m flazz dostoyevsky Adrinael cYmen joga jsnell slash_ joshe Tordek_ 17:45:15 -!- names: prip repnop z0d rstandy p_l kleppari kuhzoo galdor sohail keithr pchrist ehu` e271 Thas Jarvellis xinming_ isismelting cavelife^ cipher AntiSpamMeta sbahra a-s specbot minion lisppaste beach rullie maskd pkhuong UnwashedMeme1 lemoinem Tristam Patzy Harag foom sjbach fgtech alexbobp joast ffx` REPLeffect rread frodef wlr kreuter yango froog Guest51325 jrockway anekos cmm CrEddy jho mikezor matimago ilitirit rlpowell qebab eirik Draggor proq 17:45:15 -!- names: scode Taggnostr kidd2 chii Ginei_Morioka bob_f herbieB spiaggia maxote housel ltbarcly tarbo ampleyfly mornfall Blast_Hardcheese spacebat _3b Zhivago cddr vcgomes luis kefka nullwork Quadrescence PissedNumlock Soulman__ koning_robot pitui @drewc dfox ineiros dmiles_afk kg4qxk michaelw robewald sphex mgr krappie johs Aisling bkudria xristos _CitizenKane_ jkantz rsynnott BrianRice tltstc bdowning tic hefner felipe boyscared phadthai @antifuchs 17:45:15 -!- names: ianmcorvidae rey_ olejorgenb rootzlevel DrForr nicktastic sanguinev mooglenorph Cel Dazhbog_ _dima p8m clog aking rodge kmkaplan nullman djkthx kuwabara frontiers kooll vsync Buganini jlf stepnem sykopomp Martinp23 guenther__ TDT guaqua fnordus albino zbigniew wgl meingbg nooper pragma_ pok Bucciarati peddie Fade cods easch azuk Xof rlonstein jmcphers thijso bfein_ dcrawford 17:45:45 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:52 -!- hyperboreean [n=none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:46:01 -!- hyperbor1ean is now known as hyperboreean 17:46:35 schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:48:00 davazp [n=user@121.Red-79-152-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:48:20 -!- kiuma [n=kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["Bye bye ppl"] 17:52:29 oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-84-109-137-43.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:55 *deepfire* runs crm114 with excellent results. 17:55:56 ayrnieu [n=julianfo@c-98-194-108-33.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:32 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-84-109-137-43.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:03:58 -!- djkthx [n=yacin@glug.id.iit.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 18:04:17 -!- rullie [n=rullie@bas4-toronto47-1176151257.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:05:21 djkthx [n=yacin@glug.id.iit.edu] has joined #lisp 18:05:35 -!- djkthx [n=yacin@glug.id.iit.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 18:05:47 djkthx [n=yacin@glug.id.iit.edu] has joined #lisp 18:11:38 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:57 -!- rey_ [i=pdewacht@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:12:29 -!- ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@97-89-230-116.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:13:07 -!- PissedNumlock [i=resteven@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:13:55 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@113.77.30.8] has joined #lisp 18:15:28 H4ns: t 18:17:34 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 18:19:04 -!- msingh [n=user@203.171.123.8.static.rev.aanet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:24:00 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25:40 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:30:24 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@113.77.30.8] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:30:54 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:33:09 drewc: c-l.net sends out a lot of system-notifications that propably noone ever looks at. does that make sense? 18:37:20 -!- devsforev [n=ryan@cpe-74-71-135-253.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:40:11 H4ns: if nobody ever looks at them, it doesn't make much sense at all. 18:40:26 jao` [n=jao@obfw.oblong.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:36 drewc: there are three subscribers: you, ingvar, nyef. do you look at them? 18:40:49 plutonas [n=plutonas@c-83-233-152-13.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lisp 18:43:11 -!- jao [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:43:54 -!- shizzy0 [n=shane@moobilenet-125-60.ucdavis.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:45:19 V-ille2 [n=ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe43fb00-66.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:45:35 simard [n=user@modemcable234.226-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 18:46:02 as soon as I connect with slime to sbcl on localhost, sbcl crashes and says: fatal error encountered in SBCL, maximum interrupt nesting depth (32) exceeded 18:46:08 what can be the problem ?\ 18:46:31 where did the slime you're using come from? 18:47:02 CVS 18:47:11 I guess. 18:47:28 are you using clbuild, or did you manuallyinstall it? 18:48:33 I used the steps from http://www.cliki.net/SLIME-HOWTO 18:49:39 which sbcl are you using? 18:49:54 SBCL 1.0.11.debian 18:49:59 -!- ivan4th [n=ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has left #lisp 18:50:20 That's more than a year old. 18:50:26 install clbuild and use it to manage your sbcl/slime environment. 18:50:42 you should be able to bootstrap a current sbcl with the sbcl on your system. 18:51:07 hum.. alright must have picked up the wrong version 18:51:13 the debian packages are always seriously out of date, and most lisp systems live out of revision control. 18:51:41 yeah, can't remember where I got it from so I'm going to update that first 18:51:45 Fade: That's not certain. If it doesn't work, you can use one of the binaries on the home page for clbuild. 18:51:56 http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild/ 18:52:03 pkhuong: *nod* 18:52:24 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087E0B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:09 lenny currently ships 1.0.18 which will definitely bootstrap clbuild/sbcl 18:53:10 -!- dto [n=user@68-187-212-45.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:54:38 H4ns: I have a few that are filtered to my inbox, and some that don't ever seem to make it.. so the answer is 'i read some of them' 18:55:11 loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 18:55:13 pjb [n=t@free.informatimago.com] has joined #lisp 18:56:51 cads [n=max@adsl-154-105-103.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:05 vasa [n=vasa@80.94.234.105] has joined #lisp 18:59:05 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:59:35 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:03:45 -!- tombom 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[Remote closed the connection] 19:17:56 peddie [n=matthew@PEDDIE.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 19:18:28 the advantage is that clbuild will automatically enable threads for you, and install it into clbuild/target, where it will then be able to find it afterwards 19:18:28 -!- Taggnostr [n=x@wolf.yok.utu.fi] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 19:19:33 wormilwork [n=Miranda@adsl-070-155-056-058.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:36 -!- loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:22:15 I guess I'm gonna do that.. btw sh make.sh crashed, something about missing parenthesis.... 19:22:43 Taggnostr [n=x@wolf.yok.utu.fi] has joined #lisp 19:23:09 -!- drewc has set mode -b *!*@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com* 19:26:48 -!- drewc has set mode -b *@gateway/web/a*!*@* 19:27:41 -!- drewc has set mode -b *!*@*mibbit* 19:28:06 ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-57d721337701e006] has joined #lisp 19:28:12 hi! 19:28:26 sounds like I must be missing some -dev posix threads or something.. 19:29:11 ehu: i don't doubt that mibbit will get banned again... and i'm not sure there is much that can be done about it. 19:29:27 ehu: you could try a _real_ irc client :P 19:29:49 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has joined #lisp 19:30:05 drewc: I normally do. However, my wife took my "real" laptop... 19:30:32 ehu: She took your MacBook?! 19:30:52 ehu: i guess i can't suggest getting a 'real' wife... i have one of those and she takes my stuff too :) 19:31:09 lol 19:31:10 if that's your expectation, then why unban it in the first place? 19:31:57 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:32:31 josemanuel [n=josemanu@209.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:32:49 -!- simard [n=user@modemcable234.226-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:33:36 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:33:57 lichtblau: because it works for now (: 19:34:03 we can lock up after ehu when he leaves (: 19:34:04 schoppen1auer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:34:48 newlisper: no, that wouldn't have been a "real" laptop, but a *real* laptop. 19:35:07 -!- schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:35:57 Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@port-4114.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:23 dto [n=user@68-187-212-45.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:45:30 loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 19:45:39 -!- nyef [n=nyef@pool-64-222-164-136.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit ["Offline for the rest of the day."] 19:49:31 -!- benny` [n=benny@i577A008F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:50:45 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:50:53 lichtblau: it's because i value ehu 19:50:57 sorry.. 19:51:02 ehu's contributions 19:51:47 But not those of gavino, right? 19:51:59 banning all of mibbit is unfortunately the only way to ban any user of mibbet :( 19:52:21 gavino uses mibbit exclusively? 19:52:28 no 19:52:31 beach: is gavino a mibbit user? 19:52:35 yes 19:52:47 *ehu* needs to find an other chat provider 19:52:47 I confirm that. 19:53:20 well, that's a good reason for banning mibbit i suppose. 19:53:26 if you have a cloak, does it show mibbit anyway? 19:54:56 stassats: possibly not. that's the reason for the cloak isn't it? the question is whether the server uses the cloak or the real domain. 19:55:00 wchogg [n=wchogg@h216-165-145-79.mdtnwi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:26 stassats` [i=4e258a87@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa321214dbcfb140] has joined #lisp 19:55:32 is mibbit some javascript irc client? 19:55:48 well, freenode offers a 'real name' ban, and mibbit forwards the users IP address as the 'real name' .. 19:56:08 so the gavino ban might be better addresses that way. 19:56:18 hyperboreean [n=none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has joined #lisp 19:56:48 Fade: something like it: an Ajax in-browser irc client. 19:57:06 oh well, i forgot my password 19:57:26 -!- crod [n=cmell@nttkyo036048.tkyo.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:57:27 gack 19:58:54 -!- stassats` [i=4e258a87@wikipedia/stassats] has left #lisp 19:59:08 i don't think i can actually imagine a less appropriate presentation context for irc, short of a line printer. 19:59:36 yeah, it shows my real cloak 19:59:38 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@209.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 20:00:13 -!- loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:03:11 tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has joined #lisp 20:04:42 is there any French here? 20:05:16 sort of 20:05:53 a-s: Why does citizenship matter to you? 20:06:00 -!- nullwork [n=nullwork@c-24-245-23-122.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:06:22 i want to speak with some French. 20:06:23 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-243-212.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:41 a-s: Again, why do you care what their passports say? 20:07:22 beach: Not what passport. I need to speak with a french 20:07:23 -!- nullman [n=nullman@c-24-245-23-122.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:07:23 nullman` [n=nullman@c-24-245-23-122.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:32 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-169-80-168.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:07:41 a-s: you wish to converse in the french language? 20:08:04 a-s: why didn't you say so in the first place. This is so typical for French people to confuse the nationality and linguistic group. 20:08:07 yes, quite so 20:08:13 benny [n=benny@i577A06E2.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:08:35 a-s: There might be Belgians, Swiss, or Senegalese that would do the trick then. 20:09:00 -!- Buganini [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:09:05 Buganini [n=buganini@security-hole.info] has joined #lisp 20:09:13 -!- matley [n=matley@83.225.109.178] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:09:30 a-s: Or even English people who master French perfectly. 20:10:02 a-s: Anyway, what is it you need to know? 20:10:02 Loosely speaking, "Is there any French here" is poor English in the first place and could ambiguously mean "is there any French-speaking here". So the assumption of "bah, you French people get this confused" might be more a reflection upon the reader... ;) 20:10:15 Je suis desole, mais je ne parle pas francais 20:10:16 Ou peut-etre des personnes hollandaise 20:10:27 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:40 Fade: Moi non plus, et ceci n'est pas un canal IRC. 20:11:20 *beach* *loves* #lisp 20:11:20 allors, c'est un canal d'une autre langue, non? 20:11:20 :) 20:11:29 ceci n'est pas ceci n'est pas un quine 20:11:29 ceci n'est pas un Lisp 20:12:10 would you mind me speaking Russian? 20:12:28 Not at all, provided you get the character set right. 20:12:39 not as long as you use UTF-8 20:12:46 That's what I meant 20:12:47 ! 20:12:49 *Fade* chuckles 20:12:57 , . 20:13:11 lofl 20:13:31 wahnfrieden [n=b@c-71-232-78-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:35 why is it that every time I download warez and shit from bittorrent, I'm connected to like 100 people and the speeds are lame, yet when I torrent these videos from common-lisp.net, I connect to 15 seeds and get like 800 KB/s? 20:13:56 Because lispers have better IP connections? 20:14:00 *beach* agrees with stepnem 20:14:18 because people who download warez are assholes? 20:14:35 -!- lemoinem [n=swoog@modemcable056.63-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:14:37 erm, excuse moi? 20:14:38 pkhuong_ [n=pkhuong@modemcable085.189-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:14:48 lemoinem [n=swoog@modemcable085.189-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:15:01 dcka, dneska je tu volná zábava! 20:15:14 ? 20:15:31 I didn't realize that would be contentious in a channel full of (obstensibly) software developers 20:15:44 *stepnem* hopes nobody mind him speaking Czech 20:15:54 *minds 20:16:07 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:24 hah, I WARNED you all 20:16:25 a-s: This channel is in English, but we are willing (initially) to put up with non-native speakers who don't master it perfectly (yet) :) 20:16:37 -!- wahnfrieden [n=b@c-71-232-78-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 20:16:39 rsynnott: you did? 20:16:41 this over-reliance on git and github has finally become a problem 20:16:49 (github is down, hard :( ) 20:17:04 rsynnott: and no one cares yet because they can still get their work done :D 20:17:16 rsynnott: how is this a failure of git? 20:17:19 why is that a problem, git is distributed, you already have a local copy of everything you care about 20:17:19 foom, memo from deepfire: I'd like to help with the waterfall -- host, admin etc. 20:17:22 beach: a lot of us canadians also speack French. 20:17:23 i think our general reliance on revision control systems to distribute canonical code is a problem. 20:17:24 unless they need something from it because it is used as a bloody distribution channel 20:17:40 oh, well. that's a problem with "hubs" in general 20:17:43 yep 20:17:51 drewc: a lot of us swedes also speak French. 20:17:59 I do not speak French. 20:18:07 (I didn't want to feel left out on the train.) 20:18:09 *rsynnott* required a ruby gem, for reasons I'd rather not dwell on 20:18:10 *Fade* only speaks enough french to get into trouble. 20:18:10 A lot of us Americans also speak (really bad) French 20:18:19 (I have been drafted into optimising an unpleasant ruby thing) 20:18:28 *Fare* should invent the new language Bbbegaiement 20:18:56 dlowe: Surprisingly though, a lot of English people speak French. Many more than French people speaking (reasonably good) English actually. 20:19:07 -!- smolyn|away is now known as smolyn 20:19:08 English is just bad French. American is just bad English. There's a way to understand each other hiding there. 20:19:19 lol 20:19:23 foom, if any help is needed, anyway.. 20:19:30 and French is bad Latin 20:19:31 Fare: Interesting idea! 20:19:37 fe[nl]ix: heh! 20:19:38 english is french vocabulary with german grammar. 20:19:39 Fare: Only because the Normans invaded and messed up our perfect Anglo-Saxon :( 20:19:39 beach: but is the English peoples' french as good? 20:19:57 Fade: sadly, we don't get the wordcombinationthing 20:19:58 rsynnott: ask xof 20:19:59 Beket [n=stathis@adsl-252-145.diodos.auth.gr] has joined #lisp 20:20:11 rsynnott: aye. that's a very useful feature of german. 20:20:18 beach, yes, but which? 20:20:20 rsynnott: On the average, I don't know, but what I hear is pretty good. I don't hear average English people speaking French, though. 20:20:37 Fare: I'll let you guess! 20:20:40 I remember reading somewhere [citation needed] that there's been less divergence in American English in the past 200 years than in the UK 20:20:44 fe[nl]ix, no it's latin being imperfect French! 20:20:47 most canadians have at least rudimentary nouns, even if the verbs are bjorked. 20:20:54 (french) 20:21:01 dlowe: and the angles and saxons went and ruined a perfectly good gaelic tongue :) 20:21:07 isn't canada bilingual? 20:21:16 Björked, as in influenced by contemporay Icelandic? 20:21:25 drewc: but not before the Picts were wiped off the map 20:21:28 I blame it on Jehovah cursing the tower of Babel! 20:21:31 *Fade* ^5's rsynnott 20:21:31 i believe officially yes 20:21:35 rsynnott: officially, yes. 20:21:37 rsynnott: yes 20:21:45 I blame it on the ANSI Common Lisp committee 20:21:47 rsynnott: not really. There's Canada which is English, and Quebeq which is French fighting English. 20:21:55 ah 20:22:05 rsynnott: in reality, it's an english country with a french nation within it's borders 20:22:11 in the beginning, everyone spoke ENIAC decimal code! 20:22:11 Official languages English and French 20:22:11 so the french-speaking is largely just in that province? 20:22:13 its 20:22:15 damnit 20:22:17 yes 20:22:20 pretty much entirely 20:22:20 (bit like Ireland with Irish, I suppose...) 20:22:24 *drewc* can't speak either official language. 20:22:26 in practice that means that a kid in alberta has to learn french until highschool, but a business in quebec can't display an english sign. 20:22:37 rsynnott: for the most part, yes. 20:22:37 we have a couple of small contained areas where people can speak irish 20:22:41 There's a small French-speaking contingent in Louisiana, too 20:22:52 oh, yep, that used to be french, of course 20:22:53 Somewhat like Catalonia in Spain. 20:22:55 silly napoleon! 20:22:56 Cajuns? 20:22:59 dlowe, I'm starting another one in Boston 20:23:07 beach: yes, descended from the Arcadians 20:23:15 Good food! 20:23:16 rsynnott: do you speak irish? 20:23:25 the Cajuns tends to speak French and home but are quite fluent in English 20:23:30 *at home 20:23:31 dlowe: who are decended from french-canadians :) 20:23:35 rsynnott, clever Louisianians to declare independence from Corsica! 20:23:38 about the same level as most other Irish people from outside gaeltachts 20:23:45 that is, very, very basic 20:23:47 drewc: well, the Arcadians were the French-Canadians 20:23:54 far worse than my french, which is itself far from fluent 20:23:55 pjb: nobody in Spain learns catalan in school other than catalonians, so it's not the same 20:24:11 dlowe: that's somewhat simplistic, but yes :) 20:24:15 probably because there is no practical reason to speak Irish in Ireland 20:24:24 xan: do they really learn French outside of Quebec? 20:24:31 for commercial purposes, our first three languages are English, Mandarin and Polish :) 20:24:35 didn't Fade just say that? 20:24:40 a-s: If you are like me, at this point you would be surprised by the cosmopolitan characteristics of #lisp participants, and I strongly encourage you to emulate that. 20:24:51 (really; if an ad is in anything other than English it will be Mandarin or Polish, NOT Irish) 20:24:52 anyhow, canada's bilingualism tends to mean that you can demand service from the governmen in either french or english, and we spend a lot more on labeling. 20:24:52 pjb: 'learn' maybe not, but we are taught it until second yeard of high school. 20:24:54 xan: I can't believe it. Need more sources :-) 20:25:02 except the canadian french is impossible, at least for a non-native speaker of french 20:25:06 second year* 20:25:11 *drewc* gets coffee now. 20:25:21 pjb: [citation needed] ;) 20:25:38 cmatei: I don't agree! But then I am practically a native speaker at this point. 20:25:47 I spent four years on high school French and all it got me was a dirty look from an AirFrance flight attendant. :( 20:25:54 cmatei: French-Canadian is somewhat impossible regardless :) 20:25:57 dlowe: :-) 20:25:58 rsynnott: oh, there are so many Chinese in Ireland? 20:26:02 -!- pkhuong [n=pkhuong@modemcable056.63-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:26:05 dlowe: Things have changed here. 20:26:18 you want to hear the true spirit of hilarity, listen to a parisian person mocking a french canadian tourist. 20:26:48 *beach* can definitely see what Fade means 20:26:57 Fade: got a link to some sketch ? youtube maybe ? 20:26:58 Quebec is a time capsule. 20:26:59 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 20:27:07 canadian french forked from the mother tongue around 250 years ago. 20:27:19 it's full of bizarre anachronisms. 20:27:23 rsynnott: or you mean just all those restaurants like everywhere nowadays... 20:27:47 j'poe fer un excellent accent du Quebec! 20:27:49 the french canadian word for car is analagous to 'horseless buggy' 20:27:52 Fade: my grandmaman asked to use the 'sal de bain' in a store in paris.. the man looked at her funny and said 'madame, utiliser le _pissoire_' :) 20:28:10 lol 20:28:14 haha 20:28:33 a-s: See what you did? You distracted everyone from their mission to write MORE CODE, and now everyone is discussing languages instead. 20:28:36 ironically, the french I was taught in ontario gets me mocked in montreal or quebec city. 20:28:43 'sal de bain' is much more elegant 20:28:48 ontario teaches french, not jouale. 20:28:52 drewc: I like it! 20:29:07 tsuru` [n=user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:13 fe[nl]ix: Why on earth would you want to take a bath while in the store? 20:29:17 fe[nl]ix: well, the full quote is more along the lines of "mais pourqois madame, tu veux faire un bain?" 20:29:22 there is an interesting lisp/scheme user group in Montreal 20:29:41 montreal is the anglo capital of quebec. 20:30:07 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit [Client Quit] 20:30:27 Fade: you can imagine my troubles when, having been a native jouale speaker, i was introduced to 'french' in school in nova scotia.. 20:30:36 stepnem: yep, Ireland has a huge chinese population 20:30:39 only quite recently 20:30:40 *Fade* chuckles 20:30:43 -!- fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-48-118.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]"] 20:31:03 reasonably easy to emigrate here if you're qualified, and/or come here for college 20:31:09 rsynnott, have the irish started bombing the invading chinese yet? 20:31:15 i was allowed to say "tabernac" but not "merde".. and i found that very funny. 20:31:16 drewc: you all say 'tu', not 'vous' in Canada? 20:31:16 My Swedish family and friends often mock the English and the Americans for calling it a "bath room", and they say "why don't just call it what it is, namely a `toilette'", not realizing that this is already a euphemism. 20:31:22 -!- Beket [n=stathis@adsl-252-145.diodos.auth.gr] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:31:22 (also cheaper than the UK and FAR cheaper than the US for foreign students) 20:31:32 beach, drewc: also, it's called the equivalent of "bain" in italian and romanian too. so it's familiar to me :P 20:31:37 the use of 'vous' in quebec seems to ellicit some mockery. 20:31:37 Fare: nah, the whole bombing thing was mostly in Northern Ireland anyway 20:31:39 -!- ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.66.47] has quit ["this is not a quit message"] 20:31:48 (they do indeed bomb the chinese there, or at least attack them) 20:32:13 Northern Ireland has mostly abandoned sectarianism in favour of good old-fashioned racism and homophobia 20:32:23 stepnem: actually, we say 'vous' most of the time, even when 'tu' would be more appropriate, and occaisonally get laughed at. 20:32:40 (at least in my family) 20:32:44 xenophobia is likely a natural knee-jerk response to 200 years of invasion. 20:32:54 *beach* would like to know the fraction of #lisp participants that are monolingual, and guesses that it is a minority, at least among the active ones. 20:32:58 (and organised crime; now that Irish-Americans are no longer allowed donate money to NI terrorist groups they have to maintain themselves somehow 20:32:59 fe[nl]ix: we call it 'bathroom' in canadian english as well. 20:33:17 Fare: funnily enough, the rest of ireland manages not to be terribly racist 20:33:17 we should slaughter all these Celts who invaded the Pict-inhabited island 20:33:20 NI is a bit messed up 20:33:25 heh, that's funny -- imaging a salesperson saying 'tu veux faire un bain' to a customer in a Paris shop 20:33:37 (indeed, Mitochondrial DNA in Ireland is of Basque (Pict) origin) 20:33:45 drafael [n=tapio@130.216.92.146] has joined #lisp 20:34:04 Fare: yep, that makes the weird far-right nationalists very unhappy 20:34:07 beach, I speak both CL and Scheme, does that count? 20:34:11 the gauls were a large tribe! 20:34:18 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@port-4114.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:34:44 Fare: It does, but perhaps not in the particular context that I was referring to. On the other hand, you count for other reasons. 20:34:50 lately i've been sort of coveting call/cc in scheme 20:34:58 *Fade* prepares himself for banishment. 20:35:14 Fade: arnesi gives you call/cc (really shift/reset which is better) 20:35:28 fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-48-118.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 20:35:33 Fare: and slow as hell. 20:35:55 Screamer also gives you a reasonably fast call/cc 20:36:39 *drewc* points to http://paste.lisp.org/display/77636 20:36:47 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36:51 CPS sucks, ANF FTW! 20:37:41 shizzy0 [n=shane@c-76-105-6-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:58 Fare: Screamer is very cool actually. 20:38:40 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:39:21 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 20:40:10 screamer seems pretty neat. 20:40:19 drewc: are you going to turn that paste into a package? 20:40:28 yes 20:40:57 drewc: no need for you to answer now 20:41:02 Fade: yes, absolutely. 20:41:07 cool 20:41:24 Fade: although it is perfectly usable as-is. 20:41:32 i'd like to settle down /w one library + semantics for everything 20:42:47 soon there will be more CL implementations of delimited continuations than there are Schemes 20:43:13 Fade: i'd like to convince people that we don't need codewalkers and can happily just use cc-let* for 90% of things that require continuations.. but i reality i will probably integrate it with cl-walker and cry a little. 20:43:16 most of the time i'm not terribly worried about composability. 20:43:45 drewc: *nod* 20:43:45 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [No route to host] 20:43:46 composable/delimited/partial continuations are really the only way to do it in portable CL. 20:44:26 Fare: have you used screamer? 20:44:41 full call/cc is not even all that desirable, IMO... most of what you can implement using call/cc is already available in CL. 20:45:13 shift/reset, OTOH, is great. 20:45:32 gz_ [n=gz@216.143.72.2] has joined #lisp 20:46:36 loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 20:46:41 screamer seems to be largely mothballed. 20:47:22 -!- gz [n=gz@216.143.72.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:47:52 Fade: so does ANSI CL... that does not make it any less useful ;) 20:48:00 gz [n=gz@216.143.72.2] has joined #lisp 20:48:21 judging by the activity around common-lisp.net, i'd say that's not true. :) 20:48:34 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:49:26 Fade: all those libraries are being built on a language that has not changed in a long time, and barely changed in a longer time. 20:49:44 cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has joined #lisp 20:50:18 Fade: i'm just saying, Screamer was written by smart guys .. maybe they got it right the first time :P 20:50:42 i'm willing to accept that. 20:50:44 drewc, where is cl-walker from? 20:50:53 -!- drafael [n=tapio@130.216.92.146] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:51:09 Fare: cl-walker used to be the code-walker in arnesi 20:51:14 minion: cl-walker? 20:51:15 cl-walker: cl-walker (home page) is a library that implements an sexp => CLOS AST tree transformation (and vica versa). http://www.cliki.net/cl-walker 20:51:35 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@85.8.72.14] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:38 arnesi has been ripped apart. 20:51:54 *dlowe* can't find anything on shift/reset 20:52:10 dlowe: wikipedia for 'delimited continuations' 20:52:27 -!- Harag [n=phil@wbs-196-2-98-168.wbs.co.za] has quit ["Leaving."] 20:52:32 dlowe: conceptually synonymous with mark/cut 20:52:47 dlowe: all CL implementations of call/cc that i know of are really shift/reset 20:53:04 which is the right thing -- if only they didn't call it call/cc 20:53:25 ie: (with-call/cc (+1 (call/cc (lambda (k) ..)))) is just (reset (1+ (shift k ....))) 20:53:50 Fare: agreed. (notice my paste has both :)) 20:54:55 rsynnott: github is back up 20:58:29 diog3n3s [n=diog3n3s@97-118-156-192.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:59:00 md` [n=user@stip-srk131.195-146-143.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 20:59:33 -!- tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22.2"] 21:04:46 -!- gz_ [n=gz@216.143.72.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:05:50 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:08:27 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:11:00 -!- md` [n=user@stip-srk131.195-146-143.telecom.sk] has left #lisp 21:14:42 cads [n=max@adsl-154-105-103.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:42 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 21:20:06 Can someone point me to a good resource on reset/shift? 21:20:24 Just want to understand the concept a little better. 21:20:25 -!- mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@che33-1-82-66-18-171.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:20:34 (or at all) 21:21:12 Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:23 -!- newlisper [n=wschroed@128.252.233.244] has left #lisp 21:24:46 -!- mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4599.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:25:08 anybody here who feels like discussing ANSI compliance? I'm looking at ANSI test suite CATCH.6, which uses numbers as CATCH/THROW tags. 21:25:28 This is a bit tricky in ABCL, because we box/unbox numbers quite heavily. 21:25:29 ehu: it gets interesting when you reach CATCH.22 21:25:58 haha 21:26:06 newlisper: google for delimited continuations, look for Oleg Kyselyov, as usual 21:26:26 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:26:55 the test assumes numbers, once assigned to a variable (and passed around) will stay EQ. 21:27:14 however, normally when comparing numbers, one should use EQL. 21:27:52 Also, normally, you don't expect objects to be reboxed just because you passed them around, but I don't think the spec says that anywhere 21:28:28 I suppose if you strongly type variables, you could store numbers unboxed, so storing and retreiving would rebox 21:29:00 ok. that's an interesting point: "strongly type". 21:29:13 But I've never seen a lisp implementation that does that. 21:29:56 dec142 [n=Declan@86-45-251-226-dynamic.b-ras3.mvw.galway.eircom.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:57 at this point, the test doesn't strongly type. the compiler simply detects that the value can be represented as an unboxed value, but isn't smart enough to notice it won't need to be unboxed. 21:30:13 Ah. The test sounds suspect to me 21:30:20 Expecting numbers to remain eq 21:30:36 so, it unboxes and reboxes thereafter. 21:30:57 I think ABCL may be one of the few compilers which has a subset of bignums which it can unbox. 21:30:58 But I'd be a little unhappy with an implementation that went around boxing numbers for no apparent reason 21:31:34 I'm not as careful as I used to be about not consing unnecessarily, but I still want to be able to control it 21:31:43 -!- pkhuong_ is now known as pkhuong 21:31:59 that's one of the problems with java. No way to control it 21:32:32 right. I understand why the behaviour might be troublesome. And possibly we can prevent it, but not as low hanging fruit. 21:32:52 (and we have enough of that not to start with the hard stuff yet :-) 21:33:20 -!- edon [n=edon@albalug/edon] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)"] 21:33:21 Using bignums as catch tags seems crazy to me. I'd never do it 21:33:43 so, if the spec doesn't disallow the current behaviour, I tend to question the validity of teh test. 21:33:59 I don't remember the spec saying much at all about when you're allowed to cons 21:34:09 But I haven't read it in a long time 21:34:25 right. but maybe it says something about object lifetimes? 21:34:30 `If a THROW occurs during the execution of one of the forms, control is transferred to the CATCH form whose tag is EQ to the tag argument of the THROW...' 21:34:33 and object equality? 21:34:53 Well, bignums are not guaranteed to be EQ 21:35:09 And the spec doesn't say where fixnums become bignums 21:35:31 drewc: I'm fairly certain that cc-let* and a more flexible looping DSL would be enough. 21:35:34 `However, numbers with the same value need not be EQ.... An implementation is permitted to make ``copies'' of characters and numbers at any time. The effect is that Common Lisp makes no guarantee that EQ is true even when both its arguments are ``the same thing'' if that thing is a character or number.' 21:35:46 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:35:57 There we go. Test is wrong. 21:36:01 Using numbers or characters for catch tags, then, is unreliable. 21:36:02 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.189.230] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:36:06 And yes, the test is wrong. 21:36:15 thanks! 21:36:40 although it probably exposes a behavior that will trip up lots of programs 21:37:12 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:37:13 ia [n=ia@89.169.189.230] has joined #lisp 21:37:38 foom: ? why? You should be comparing bignums using EQL, as established above, not? 21:37:51 oh...only for bignums 21:37:56 foom: the test creates 2 bignums of the same numerical value. 21:38:00 I missed the part where you weren't talking about fixnums. :) 21:38:32 ah. for fixnums we're working on improving ABCL to be more like other implementations. 21:38:45 so that all fixnums are EQ 21:38:55 Golly, that's a strange notion! 21:38:55 if they represent the same numerical value. 21:39:00 ...aha! 21:39:04 :-) 21:39:20 Note that what I quoted applies to all numbers, by the way, not just non-fixnum numbers. 21:39:21 Yeah, even though I don't think the spec requires anything, people tend to be sloppy and assume fixnum implies you can use eq intead of eql 21:39:41 just because it does on almost all implementations. :) 21:39:44 currently ABCL conforms to the standard, but requires EQL for number comparison. 21:40:14 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6E337.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["humhum"] 21:40:53 so, we'll be looking at what issues EQ-ness for fixnums might fix in for example Maxima. If it does, we'll leave it in. If it doesn't, then the assumed sloppiness may be tolerable in practice. 21:42:06 however, I see reason to comment out the test we just discussed. 21:43:13 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:43:28 night 21:43:31 -!- ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-57d721337701e006] has left #lisp 21:43:52 -!- loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:44:46 -!- schoppen1auer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:46:02 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0D9AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:03 Beket [n=rty@ppp206-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:54:24 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:20 -!- diog3n3s [n=diog3n3s@97-118-156-192.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:01:17 -!- KalifG [n=user@bloc-18.isc.tamu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:01:20 -!- tsuru` [n=user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:01:58 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0C876.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:02:42 -!- sellout [n=greg@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [] 22:04:01 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:06:51 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-78-36-176-76.static.vologda.ru] has quit ["I wish the toaster to be happy, too."] 22:14:28 jyujin [n=mdeining@82.113.121.139] has joined #lisp 22:18:08 -!- smolyn [n=smolyn@76.77.66.100] has quit ["Bye!"] 22:19:59 bytecolor [n=user@216.190.22.200] has joined #lisp 22:21:38 DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@wireless-169-235-41-95.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 22:25:26 -!- DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@wireless-169-235-41-95.ucr.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 22:29:56 -!- maxote [n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31:25 maxote [n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 22:31:37 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 22:34:09 -!- kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net"] 22:38:16 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:46 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:41:40 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:10 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:42:29 -!- willb [n=wibenton@wireless92.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:42:44 pkhuong: I'm pretty sure you tried to convince me of that a long time ago... i've only now come around :) 22:43:10 -!- fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-48-118.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]"] 22:45:19 jyujin_ [n=mdeining@82.113.121.139] has joined #lisp 22:45:31 -!- jyujin [n=mdeining@82.113.121.139] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:47:41 -!- Yuuhi [n=user@p5483EBC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:50:41 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:51:37 -!- maxote [n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:52:58 maxote [n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 22:53:10 trebor_home [n=user@dslb-084-059-025-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:35 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:57:19 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-100-82-124.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:18 mikezor_ [n=mikael@c-67e370d5.04-404-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 23:01:15 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 23:01:41 qtqqqq 23:01:57 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has quit [] 23:02:06 sorry, wrong keyboard 23:03:03 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has joined #lisp 23:05:05 a-ha! you're a vim user! 23:05:39 well, i was trying to quit from less 23:05:56 almost the same thing 23:06:27 is there emacs-less? 23:06:33 stassats: emacsclient 23:06:46 vim is rather emacs-less. ;) 23:07:26 it's a new system, no emacs, i already edited configs with vim... 23:08:47 -!- cpc26 [n=cpc26@72.170.156.242] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09:54 -!- mikezor [n=mikael@213.112.227.103] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:10:54 -!- shizzy0 [n=shane@c-76-105-6-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:11:05 Does anybody know the whereabouts of hunchentoot-dir-lister? 23:11:31 sbt [n=sbt@rrcs-208-125-96-78.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:11:47 Or, actually, anything that serves the purpose.. 23:11:51 does common lisp have an nth-root function? 23:12:07 (expt a (/ n)) 23:12:20 clever :) 23:12:21 thanks 23:13:07 -!- KingThomasIV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit ["I'm off!"] 23:17:04 -!- stepnem [n=xchat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [Operation timed out] 23:17:44 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:17:54 stepnem [n=xchat@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:15 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-225-159.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 23:20:00 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-188-120.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:23:59 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@xdslex087.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 23:23:59 -!- kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:24:10 -!- dec142 [n=Declan@86-45-251-226-dynamic.b-ras3.mvw.galway.eircom.net] has left #lisp 23:24:15 kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 23:26:23 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit ["BB"] 23:31:07 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-243-212.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 23:32:37 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:33:04 -!- cads [n=max@adsl-154-105-103.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:35:08 hjvs [n=hvs@adsl-99-145-90-156.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:14 rpg [n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 23:41:48 -!- hjvs [n=hvs@adsl-99-145-90-156.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:46:19 hvs [n=hvs@adsl-99-145-90-156.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:53 -!- hvs is now known as hjvs 23:50:13 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@xdslex087.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:50:28 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@xdslex087.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 23:51:07 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@xdslex087.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:51:18 CallToPower [n=CallToPo@xdslex087.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 23:51:22 -!- CallToPower [n=CallToPo@xdslex087.osnanet.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:52:12 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:53:42 yangsx [n=yangsx@218.247.244.25] has joined #lisp 23:55:03 -!- amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:57:53 -!- vininim [n=vininim@pdpc/supporter/student/vininim] has quit ["reboot"] 23:58:55 -!- hjvs [n=hvs@adsl-99-145-90-156.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:59:41 lambda-avenger [n=roman@adsl-63-197-150-112.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp