00:00:00 stassats: Umm... How would that show you if it works? By the time the REPL prints the result, the binding of *print-circle* will have expired. 00:00:02 I have to go. 00:00:15 nyef: oh, right 00:00:42 -!- njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has quit ["09f9"] 00:01:27 Why have two lets? 00:02:11 because the second let was an afterthought 00:02:32 and the wrong one 00:02:49 stassats: I just refactored the xml-rpc code for lisppaste. Can you do a quick check to see if I broke it in any obvious manner? 00:03:08 nyef: sure 00:03:35 is it already running? 00:03:51 Should be. 00:04:01 sysfault [n=exalted@p3m/member/sysfault] has joined #lisp 00:05:10 stassats pasted "test" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75456 00:06:00 stassats annotated #75456 with "passed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75456#1 00:06:04 Hrm... """? 00:06:31 i thought that was on my side 00:06:38 Probably is. 00:06:50 'cause I see it in the input. 00:07:05 And I know I didn't mess with anything that should cause it. 00:07:13 Thank you for your help. 00:07:26 -!- retupmoca [n=retupmoc@adsl-67-36-58-203.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07:46 i remember some problems with displaying some things on my side before 00:08:03 (Only one stupid bug in my change set, and it was having missed a level of parens in a let binding spec.) 00:08:48 retupmoca [n=retupmoc@adsl-67-36-58-203.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:02 -!- nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:16:22 -!- lum_sais [n=v@84.78.71.246] has quit ["cerrando"] 00:23:44 Pegazus [n=awefawe@host121.190-31-179.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 00:35:52 *stassats* found the problem 00:36:55 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 00:39:26 stassats annotated #75456 with "another test" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75456#2 00:41:28 -!- yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 00:43:17 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-092-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:43:26 stepnem_ [n=chatzill@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:01 GoD|Hansel [n=user@cpe-66-65-25-217.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:45:26 another problem, wrong encoding (that was before too) 00:47:48 -!- curiousbob [n=clee@adsl-71-140-63-206.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #lisp 00:52:41 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 00:53:38 Playing with the interface to see what error messages you can get? 00:54:17 -!- dihymo [n=dihymo@97-124-35-247.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:54:29 dihymo [n=dihymo@75-174-222-91.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:29 nope, trying to bruteforce, what arguments xml-rpc-method-call accept 00:54:57 well, with the wrong number of the paste... damn 00:55:04 http://paste.lisp.org/system-server/show/lisppaste/xml-paste 00:55:12 Might help your investigation a bit. 00:55:13 -!- retupmoca [n=retupmoc@adsl-67-36-58-203.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:55:15 thanks 00:55:37 retupmoca [n=retupmoc@adsl-67-36-58-203.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:44 I'll spare you the version from before I got my paws on it. 00:56:59 -!- bfein [n=bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Adios"] 00:57:08 Might be amusing to have a SOAP interface at some point, but not worth doing any time soon. 00:58:50 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:59:02 by the way, "Error encountered: #" is not very informative 00:59:14 I was just wondering what the errors were like. 01:00:49 *stassats* goes to figure out how to send raw xml rpc via telnet 01:01:12 *nyef* wonders if he should worry or not. 01:01:45 Geh! 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of any sources I could look at to read up about the implementation of MOPs in prototype object systems, apart from the few examples of JS MOPs that google pops up? 04:07:51 not offtopic, I promise. 04:10:00 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:10:12 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-129-7.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:12:42 aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:13:07 jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 04:14:35 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has joined #lisp 04:16:09 -!- binarin` [n=user@62.105.145.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:17:24 Good morning. 04:17:30 mornin' beach 04:18:16 sykopomp: I assumed you checked articles about Self? 04:18:50 beach: I don't really know where to find articles about CS-related stuff that isn't the ACM pay-us-a-lot thing ;-\ 04:19:13 citesheer? 04:19:23 citesheer? 04:19:39 err, forgot the proper name 04:20:25 typically, you start with Google, and then if you find it on the author's web site, that's fine. Otherwise, you might have to use some other method. 04:20:52 CiteSeer is the name 04:21:13 yeah, just found 04:21:18 dmr [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-47-8.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 04:21:20 google popped up some interesting ruby and js-related MOP stuff, but not quite what I'm trying to figure out. 04:21:27 ah, citeseer, I'll check that right now, thank you. 04:21:48 http://research.sun.com/self/ 04:34:58 -!- dmr [n=dmr@ppp-71-139-47-8.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["leaving"] 04:35:05 gonzojive [n=red@c-24-130-53-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:50 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has quit ["Leaving..."] 04:40:04 beach: http://research.sun.com/self/papers/papers.html Thank you, these papers look fantastic. Maybe not so much for the MOP problem, but certainly for POOP in general. 04:40:57 No problem. 04:44:57 -!- jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-188-181.northland.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- cadabra [n=cadabra@69.169.136.43.provo.static.broadweave.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-226-84.dsl.look.ca] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@ip68-98-133-128.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 04:44:57 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-136-225.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [lindbohm.freenode.net 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I'm also unsure if the object has any cffi foreign elements 06:39:09 no, you get a pointer comparison 06:39:12 or do I have no choice but to give gethash a string representation of the object's data (as it has a print-object and tostring method)? 06:39:51 I'd expect pointer with eq, but also for eql? 06:40:02 yeah 06:40:32 I like to abuse equal hash tables for complex things, by building lists to use as keys 06:40:37 don't give in to ANSI standard stupidity, use your implementation's support for user-specified test and hash-function 06:40:55 or implement your own hash table :) 06:41:05 or: generic hash-table spec, with link to reference implementation: http://cdr.eurolisp.org/document/2/index.html 06:41:29 well yes I wondered why make-hash-table didn't allow any other equal custom functions in the first place... 06:41:47 not that writing my own replacement would be hard, but I'm still surprised 06:43:02 I was also surprised there was no double linked list as part of the standard language :) considering all the other niceties it already includes 06:43:06 thanks :) 06:43:40 -!- jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:44:41 hmm and does the standard prohibit an implementation to use clos to allow user definition of custom eql/equal methods? 06:44:57 they aren't generic functions 06:46:31 I've seen the same problem with sequences where I rolled down some xseq library using clos 06:46:35 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:46:52 remember that you can't just change the comparison function either, you have to keep it consistent with the hash function (or vice versa), and that's completely unspecified 06:46:59 i.e. to have generic sequence interface to other custom data structures 06:47:10 yes agreed 06:47:40 generic sequences are one place where the other implementations need to be whipped into line 06:47:45 yes it'd also require make-hash-table to support custom hash method indeed 06:48:28 or hmm support for per-object hash function/method rather 06:48:39 per-type 06:48:55 -!- manic12 [n=manic12@c-98-227-25-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:49:01 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 07:00:01 quick; what papers should i throw at someone who wants to evaluate lisp for numeric computing? 07:00:16 any particular Fateman paper i should look at? 07:01:58 also, i wanna give him a link to the shootout so he can compare to java. which version of java is more accurately similar to sbcl? 1.4 server, 6 client, 6 server, 6 -Xint, GNU gcj? 07:03:17 hmm the only related thing I read about it were on unboxed 32-bit support sbcl/cmucl have when explicit declarations are made, but I'm actually new in the lisp scene 07:03:24 it was probably in the sbcl python documentation 07:03:53 phadthai: that i know of. it's for "statistics", so i'm guessing ieee? 07:04:07 no idea 07:04:16 *fusss* just remembered someone who did audio signal processing in LW a few months back .. 07:04:31 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 07:05:36 wrt to java, i think 6 server is most similar to sbcl 07:07:02 out of curiosity does python do any hotspot-like tracing to reoptimize some code on the fly, or is it compile-once model? 07:08:02 I'd expect it to be closer to gcj if compile-once model 07:08:30 fusss: See the papers by Didier verna. 07:08:37 *Verna 07:09:29 phadthai: python is only loosely 'compiled'; maybe look and compare psycho with the 2.6x reference 07:09:52 beach: wow! :-) thanks http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier/research/verna.06.ecoop.pdf 07:09:55 ok 07:10:21 fusss: It's great stuff! 07:10:37 booked for sure 07:11:45 -!- gemelen_ is now known as gemelen 07:13:51 *hefner* wishes people would drop the stubborn insistence on calling the CMUCL compiler "Python" 07:13:55 pstickne: hmm I'm having trouble to find anything directly related with "psycho" and "2.6 reference", any more info? :) 07:13:58 very confusing 07:14:04 phadthai: also might want to look at rpythong, the reference is cpython 07:14:10 kiuma [n=kiuma@81-208-106-75.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:14:15 *rpython 07:14:20 pstickne: oh I meant cmucl/sbcl python, the compiler :) 07:14:23 pstickne: I was about to ask... 07:14:23 not python language 07:14:29 phadthai: no idea then :) 07:14:32 hello lispers 07:14:39 kiuma: hello, kiuma. 07:16:23 hey kiuma 07:16:57 :) 07:17:08 as for the python language I think only pypy project was related to a dynamic recompiler (although jython might benefit from hotspot's) 07:18:35 I never thought that for my project would come from javascript. Some time this language is very complicated. The good news is that the lisp part is going smoothly :) 07:19:05 s/thought that/thought that difficulties/ 07:19:20 -!- younder [n=jpthing@084202158137.customer.alfanett.no] has left #lisp 07:19:39 younder [n=jpthing@084202158137.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #lisp 07:21:19 javascript might be clean, but the dom is a hairball 07:21:25 agreed 07:22:10 javascript isn't really clean :( 07:22:10 I like js pretty much, but didn't have to use it for client-side scripting, very fortunately 07:22:23 it could be, but it is cluttered by some backward-compat nonsense 07:22:28 I find it very expressive and dynamic 07:22:35 phadthai: I never said it wasn't ;-) 07:22:52 but compare 10 vs Integer(10) 07:22:59 jso [n=user@151.159.200.8] has joined #lisp 07:22:59 pstickne: if you want clean, what do you want in #lisp? :) 07:23:06 heh 07:23:07 H4ns: ;-) 07:23:30 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-176-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 07:24:03 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-176-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 07:24:20 (twisted-oddisey-quote "it's full of parens") 07:24:35 Clean, Gofer and Miranda; languages i "learned" just to read a paper 07:26:17 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has joined #lisp 07:26:55 dihymo [n=dihymo@75-174-222-91.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:24 bbl, good night 07:29:15 nite 07:29:29 lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has joined #lisp 07:35:27 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-176-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:38:21 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:38:43 -!- whuwxl [n=whuwxl@2001:250:4001:10:0:5efe:de14:fa26] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 07:39:10 whuwxl [n=whuwxl@2001:250:4001:10:0:5efe:de14:fa26] has joined #lisp 07:44:52 -!- rutski [n=rutski@ool-44c66f35.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 07:47:52 KingThomasIV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:07 -!- dihymo [n=dihymo@75-174-222-91.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:49:34 rutski [n=rutski@ool-44c66f35.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 07:49:56 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@pool-70-108-95-190.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:58:24 -!- rutski [n=rutski@ool-44c66f35.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 08:00:48 Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:08 eduardo_br [n=eduardo@189.71.23.251] has joined #lisp 08:03:03 -!- whuwxl [n=whuwxl@2001:250:4001:10:0:5efe:de14:fa26] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 08:03:33 whuwxl [n=whuwxl@2001:250:4001:10:0:5efe:de14:fa26] has joined #lisp 08:06:15 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 08:09:16 -!- younder [n=jpthing@084202158137.customer.alfanett.no] has left #lisp 08:09:23 JollyGoodFellow [n=thom@pool-96-229-99-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:33 Beket [n=stathis@ppp16-146.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 08:12:54 younder [n=jpthing@084202158137.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #lisp 08:16:09 -!- eduardo_br [n=eduardo@189.71.23.251] has left #lisp 08:22:01 -!- Beket [n=stathis@ppp16-146.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:24:18 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has quit ["YOU CAN BE A WHINER TOO!"] 08:25:39 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has joined #lisp 08:25:40 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:25:45 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has joined #lisp 08:26:38 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:26:47 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has joined #lisp 08:34:40 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:34:48 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 08:35:03 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-72.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:35:15 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has quit ["Computer science is impossible. 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Time for my rules engine, perhaps. 09:42:04 iStig [n=stig@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 09:43:20 gio123: You have been told in the past not to ask for papers and books in this channel. I suspect if you continue doing that despite what you have been told, you will get banned. 09:45:23 reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 09:50:28 -!- reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:53:39 gio123: In fact, studying the logs a bit more carefully, I see that you haven't said *anything* relevant to the topic of this channel. I am beginning to suspect you just go to random channels to ask people to give you illegally-obtained copyrighted material. 09:53:58 gio1239 [n=gio123@gprs1.gprs.ge] has joined #lisp 09:56:05 beach, i suspect likewise 10:01:16 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #lisp 10:01:41 jhjhjhjh [n=gio123@gprs1.gprs.ge] has joined #lisp 10:01:59 yhara [n=yhara@7.193.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:02:02 does somebody has electronic version of Garrett Birkhoff, Lattice Theory. ? 10:02:21 jhjhjhjh: go away 10:02:22 beach: I'd even suspect he's a bot scouting irc channels when they couldn't find a good answer in their own databases... 10:03:09 -!- yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 10:03:46 -!- gio123 [n=gio123@gprs1.gprs.ge] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:04:26 jhjhjhjh: sending obscene private messages is not going to help your image. 10:05:47 u are beach 10:05:48 by 10:05:50 bye 10:06:15 and you are the great cornholio? 10:06:58 yes 10:07:24 -!- gonzojive [n=red@c-24-130-53-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 10:07:40 matley [n=matley@91.80.195.22] has joined #lisp 10:08:16 checking cffi and it mentions that callbacks arent available on all platforms with sbcl.. anyone know of a list of which platforms sbcl supports callbacks? 10:08:26 BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 10:15:34 stathis_ [n=stathis@ppp16-146.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 10:17:58 ah, found the email address of the ISP: office@magticom.ge. I think I'll drop them a line. 10:18:03 -!- gio1239 [n=gio123@gprs1.gprs.ge] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:19:51 lol 10:22:51 done! 10:26:50 I've noticed that man lispers use darcs. Anybody know why that is? 10:26:58 s/man/many/ 10:29:02 psyllo: I like it because of its features and because it is not implemented in C. 10:30:29 -!- jhjhjhjh [n=gio123@gprs1.gprs.ge] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:34:55 reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 10:35:34 pjb: Do you think it's because it's was awesome a few years ago and now git and Mercurial have become more popular but people keep using it because it still does the job? 10:36:21 Or is it because it's Haskell. 10:36:42 Because of Haskell. 10:36:56 I dunno, I'm just curious why Lispers do things because I respect the community quite a bit. 10:36:59 Mercurial already existed, I never liked it (user interface). 10:37:15 Git I don't know but from what I've heard, I'm not sure it has the features of darcs. 10:37:30 psyllo: I think it's just due to early adopters switching away from CVS/SVN to darcs at a time when git wasn't there yet. 10:37:37 And it's written in C so it must have a lot of bugs... 10:37:57 git's really solid and very featureful 10:38:02 joachifm [n=joachim@bjo1-1x-dhcp474.studby.uio.no] has joined #lisp 10:38:18 this is completely bizarre. it feels again and again as if I'm implementing the MOP on top of CPython's object system. Wish I could just use it directly instead. 10:39:32 ianmcorvidae: not quite there on windows yet 10:39:37 ah. 10:39:50 haven't used it there, although I admit that doesn't surprise me 10:40:13 tic: So in the natural course of solving problems in CPython you end up implementing MOP? 10:40:27 75-80% of work is windows so we found mrcurial to be the better solution for us as a cross-platform dvcs 10:41:36 now the real question is, when is someone going to write a really kickass dvcs in Common Lisp? :P 10:44:14 psyllo, something like that. 10:44:41 psyllo, I'm creating an abstraction over the built-in method dispatch and slot access, using the existing classes... 10:46:47 tic: That made sense to me until the "using the existing classes" part. 10:47:01 I don't know much about python :) 10:49:02 tic: How are you modifying these existing classes? (Excuse the ignorance) 10:50:36 psyllo, I'm using classes for convenience, but store the slots elsewhere and do the dispatch manually. 10:51:43 tic: Ah, makes perfect sense now. 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Is that done before those large mmaps is setup ? 12:48:26 can you use gdb? 12:49:06 jewel: yes 12:50:35 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:51:34 robyonrails [n=roby@host207-200-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:52:10 Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. 0x580b708d in ?? () .. rebooting to test ulimit unlimited 12:52:25 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:55:17 malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4dcf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 12:57:19 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:58:04 -!- jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:58:53 -!- matley [n=matley@91.80.195.22] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:59:38 |jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:14 nyef [n=nyef@pool-64-223-182-13.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:23 G'morning all. 13:06:06 -!- matley- [n=matley@83.225.167.27] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:06:34 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 13:07:24 raising ulimits data seg size made things worse. 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joined #lisp 16:31:26 -!- schme [n=schme@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:31:50 so then how do i remove these methods from the gf myself 16:34:11 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:34:38 schme [n=schme@c83-249-80-232.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 16:34:46 Easiest way is to pop the gf in the slime inspector. 16:35:04 i need to do it at runtime in code 16:35:16 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-092-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:36:35 ko i found remove-method 16:36:37 Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #lisp 16:37:37 joachifm [n=joachim@bjo1-1x-dhcp474.studby.uio.no] has joined #lisp 16:38:32 hexa__ [n=hexa@modemcable058.106-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:50:31 Pegazus [n=awefawe@host96.200-82-90.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:50:43 chessweb [n=chatzill@f054214163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:51:33 dat [n=dthomp@nmd.sbx08736.mcminor.wayport.net] 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determine whether two rectangles overlap? checking whether they contain one or more of each other's corners fails if they form a cross, and checking whether any of their edges intersect fails when one rectangle is contained in the other 18:12:45 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:12:56 doing both checks would work, but i was just wondering if there's a standard way to do it 18:13:08 crash [n=user@59.92.189.36] has joined #lisp 18:15:12 hello, I have question regarding slime. Is there a slime irc channel? 18:15:23 -!- lum_sais [n=v@84.78.71.246] has quit ["cerrando"] 18:15:39 crash: yes, here it is 18:16:06 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:16:30 stassats: oh cool I can here :) 18:17:17 BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 18:18:00 here's the thing, my autdoc is not working.. basically (slime-setup :autodoc t) is giving me errors 18:18:29 also my cluser> prompt is not appearing. FYI, I am using sbcl-1.0.19 + slime from cvs 18:18:30 (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) 18:19:09 stassats: cool. let me try that 18:19:15 koning_robot: If two rectangles overlap, the overlap region is a rectangle described by the rightmost of the two left sides, the leftmost of the two right sides, etc. If they do not overlap, attempting to find the overlap region will result in a rectangle with a left side to the right of its right side, or the same for top and bottom. 18:19:35 rutski [n=rutski@ool-44c66f35.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:55 stassats: wonderful! works brilliantly. Thanks a lot ! :) 18:20:29 stassats: one more question. How outdated is the manual? 18:20:33 nyef: that makes perfect sense. thanks! 18:20:59 stassats: I was going to ask your help earlier on testing some changes to the xml-rpc stuff in lisppaste, but then I realized that with the refactoring I could test it from the REPL. 18:21:24 beforeanyone aware of a repl equivalent of 'less' or 'more' buried in one of the lisp libraries? 18:21:34 - scratch the 'before'... 18:21:55 dat: It's fairly simple to do, and I think I've seen one or two before. 18:22:08 crash: you can try to build manual in doc/ directory, it should mension these changes 18:22:23 nyef: i figured it would be straightforward - I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel if it wasn't necessary... 18:22:25 crash: but anyway, manual is far from being perfect 18:24:38 nyef: you could also test from telnet, it's pretty easy 18:25:02 bashyal [n=bashyal@208.42.136.59] has joined #lisp 18:25:16 dat: Most of us don't bother, as we tend to use an environment with some amount of visible history, such as SLIME, where we can just scroll up. 18:25:37 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:26:40 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 18:26:59 -!- matley [n=matley@83.225.213.67] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:27:07 nyef: gotcha - unfortunately, I'm stuck in a screen session w/o logging... 18:27:44 And there's not enough scrollback if you enter copy-mode? 18:28:40 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 18:29:15 *nyef* has been doing some hacking in screen recently as well. It's been a wierd combination of primitive in some ways and civilized in others. 18:29:16 nyef: thanks - should have read the screen man page more closely 18:29:56 nyef: that does the trick - thanks again... 18:30:02 No problem. 18:32:53 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 18:36:19 stassats: ah great. that should come of some use at the least. Thanks a lot :) 18:37:27 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 18:37:32 crash: this paper may also be useful: http://common-lisp.net/~trittweiler/slime-talk-2008.pdf 18:38:33 slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0BE1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:30 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:41:03 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.158.80] has quit ["(H4ns) bin giorno (H4ns) bon even (rudi) buon even (H4ns) uh (H4ns) "guten morgen" stick to what you know a little."] 18:41:08 stassats: sweet its got a lot of information. 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Just need some quick feedback on emacs+slime+sbcl for the "Go to the definition of the symbol at point" feature: I always get "source of function x not found" msg when trying M-. 19:28:08 sepisultrum: try gsll 19:28:17 Strav: are you compiling file in which function is defined? 19:29:21 Strav: Do you enter your function definitions directly into the REPL? 19:29:31 Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-092-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:37 stassats: well I ran it once in the interpreter. With the cursor over the function's symbol, slime does provide the correct function's signature, still goto symb definition hangs. 19:29:42 Strav: are you doing M-. on a CL function? :) 19:30:07 sykopomp: on a Cl function that I defined. 19:30:28 oh, nm then. 19:30:29 Strav: Just say M-. for "go to symb" 19:30:30 Strav: well, it can show only function which were defined in the file 19:30:36 -!- BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:30:50 stassats: and this is the case. 19:30:50 sepisultrum: what are you trying to do, if I may ask? 19:31:06 Strav: you need to compile it, C-c C-k 19:31:16 manic12: doing Hidden markow model stuff 19:31:16 stassats: No you do not. C-c C-c suffices. 19:31:25 stassats: just evaluating it is not sufficient?\ 19:31:31 Strav: What did you do exactly? 19:31:34 tcr: if there is only one function 19:31:53 workthrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:32:18 tcr: to evaluate, I selected a region then C-c C-r 19:32:23 -!- davazp [n=user@121.Red-79-152-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:32:23 stassats: I know you knew this, it's just that what you said could give the wrong impression that you always have to use C-c C-k. 19:32:25 fe[nl]ix: do you know how it compares to clem? 19:32:29 I'll try to compile the file. 19:32:57 tcr: oh, i see 19:33:05 Strav: Yes, use C-c C-k to compile the whole _buffer_ 19:33:26 Strav: There's also M-x slime-compile-region, but that's rarely needed. Just use C-c C-k 19:33:36 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@141.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 19:33:51 manuel_ [n=manuel@port-92-205-2-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:34:21 sepisultrum: I don't know anything about that, but if it's difficult I would stay away from using foreign arrays, blas, lapack, etc 19:34:35 tcr: worked. This is nice but, wish it would have worked with an eval cmd. 19:34:36 if performance isn't an issue yet 19:35:13 Strav: any particular reason you want to use "eval cmd"? 19:36:03 when you edit definiton of you function, you can do C-c C-c in its body to compile just it 19:36:23 manic12: jeah, that was also my strategy 19:36:30 BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 19:36:32 stassats: by eval cmd I meant: just evaluate some expressions, not compile the whole file, but I guess slime needs to know where's which source to look for. 19:36:43 manic12: And I like that clem uses clos for it's types 19:37:10 Strav: C-c C-c will do that 19:37:22 stassats: let me try. 19:37:25 manic12: dunno about gsll 19:37:37 Ok, thanks for your help 19:37:52 I'll give both a try, I guess 19:37:59 Strav: and you don't need to select a region, just C-c C-c while in the body 19:38:40 stassats: and slime will compile the expression at point? 19:38:50 Strav: yes 19:38:54 Strav: No the toplevel form around point 19:39:24 tcr: yea this is kinda what I meant. 19:39:36 anyways, let me test if then I can goto source of a def 19:39:42 Strav: Do you know about `C-h k' and `C-h f'? 19:40:02 -!- BrianBek_ [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:12 One of the nicest things about Emacs is that it is very well documented, and it's very easy to access its documentation. 19:40:19 tcr 19:40:29 i once wrote a program using FEM and used BLAS, and it totally slowed down my development 19:40:42 tcr: yes, I'm just reading slime's documentation now. 19:40:47 i ended up coding the whole thing in lisp in the end 19:41:21 Strav: Make sure you do not read the version of the manual on the website, that's dated. Go to the doc/ directory in your source checkout 19:41:38 Strav: There's also http://common-lisp.net/~trittweiler/slime-talk-2008.pdf 19:43:37 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.87.152.7] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:43:37 tcr: noted. thanks. And sweet! works with C-c C-c. I'll continue my readings. 19:43:59 and thanks again. 19:44:04 -!- Strav [n=user@dsl-60-177.aei.ca] has left #lisp 19:44:08 tcr: could it be linked from slime's home page? 19:44:47 I'd rather see the manual being updated accordingly 19:45:38 i'd love to help with the manual, but my english isn't quite good 19:46:47 dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:48:46 Athas` [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 19:49:25 BrianBek_ [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 19:50:03 my english isn't good either, but that's because I'm american 19:52:10 stassats: Just do it. I hope if you do the base work, it'll make me work on it, too 19:53:10 -!- Sbidicuda [n=antani@host59-228-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:53:29 i'll try then 19:53:49 Which tool do you guys use to count source lines of code? 19:54:02 sloccount 19:54:05 tomoyuki28jp: sloccount is pretty good 19:54:37 stassats: sykopomp: I will check it out! thanks :) 19:54:42 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:27 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:40 -!- BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57:24 -!- gio123 [n=gio123@gprs1.gprs.ge] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:59:06 I just tried sloccount, and it's looks really nice. The interesting thing is it gives me estemated cost to develop. 19:59:50 it's a way to make someone feel better about having written so much code without getting paid. 20:01:42 mega1 [n=mega@4d6f48d2.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 20:02:02 sykopomp: interesting. 20:02:10 josemanuel [n=josemanu@141.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:02:48 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:04:09 -!- BrianBek_ [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:04:19 BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:05:31 -!- BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.arcnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 20:06:30 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:08:55 tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:07 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit 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22:02:38 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:02:47 kmkaplan [n=kmkaplan@2001:41d0:1:ccb7:1c:c0ff:fe14:8543] has joined #lisp 22:03:02 anykey [n=gast@unaffiliated/anykey] has joined #lisp 22:07:57 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has joined #lisp 22:08:21 -!- rindolf [n=shlomi@bzq-219-139-216.static.bezeqint.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:09:46 malumalu_ [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4dcf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 22:10:47 Hmm...I'm really having a hard time understanding exceptions in CL. Especially the envoke restart. I can upload some code to illustrate what I'm trying to do, but when doing invoke-restart, it says the restart isn't active. What does that mean? 22:11:48 TDT: Guessing, based on probably not enough information, it means you used handler-case instead of handler-bind, and the restart is established "within" the scope of the handler-bind. 22:11:57 Err... the scope of the handler-case. 22:12:43 A handler-case unwinds the stack immediately, a handler-bind doesn't unwind the stack at all unless the handler requests it. 22:12:45 Hmm, I see. and you're right, I'm using handler-case. Didn't see about handler-bind, I'll check that in PCL and see what it says. 22:12:54 Also check the hyperspec. 22:12:55 ahh, hmm, I see. 22:12:56 clhs handler-bind 22:12:56 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_handle.htm 22:13:37 I really wish PCL went through this a bit better...switched to a different book for exceptions which seems to be a bit better so far. 22:14:03 lemonodor [n=lemonodo@76.214.12.32] has joined #lisp 22:14:03 It's a bit... advanced compared to most of the rest of PCL, really. 22:15:22 Yeah, there's a lot of interesting concepts about it - so hoping to read Common Lisp - The Language right after PCL perhaps 22:15:40 gonzojive [n=red@c-24-130-53-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:48 or maybe the one on CLOS..need more indepth info on some of these topics that PCL really glazed over 22:16:55 -!- malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4dcf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20:06 -!- eevar__ [n=snuffpup@56.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Forlater kanalen"] 22:22:49 -!- Nickyy2 [n=nick@p4FD3E42E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:23:04 Nickyy2 [n=nick@p4FD3E41A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:40 TDT pasted "Exception Handling" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75483 22:24:42 TDT: what other book besides CLtL2 does exceptions better than PCL? 22:25:15 malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4dcf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 22:25:19 I'm reading a bit through "Common Lisp - The Language" which has a bit more information I feel. 22:25:46 -!- robyonrails [n=roby@host207-200-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 22:26:02 I checked the code, using handler-bind, and reading through PCL some more, still kinda at a roadblock...hopefully what I'm doing here doesn't seem too "wtf", just trying to get the flow down of how things go in this, if some don't mind looking at that. 22:26:31 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:27:11 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@port-92-205-2-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [] 22:27:47 You might be interested in with-simple-restart and restart-bind. 22:27:56 njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has joined #lisp 22:29:01 I know there are tutorials and explanations out there, but their actual names and locations have escaped me. 22:29:28 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:29:33 Yeah, I may just need to read both resources I have a fe wtimes to just "get it" 22:29:51 I think you could do with a few simple working examples, too. 22:30:24 Kent Pitman also has a good article on the design, rationale, and history of the Common Lisp condition system. 22:31:27 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has joined #lisp 22:32:22 TDT: a simple example is (defun foo (a) (check-type a number) (+ a 2)) , then try (foo 'x) and invoke STORE-VALUE in the debugger 22:32:55 ejs [n=eugen@94-248-19-63.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 22:33:04 -!- mega1 [n=mega@4d6f48d2.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:35:25 -!- cadabra [n=cadabra@69.169.136.43.provo.static.broadweave.net] has quit [No route to host] 22:35:44 Hmm, interesting on all this...still messing around. Thanks you four for your help on all this. 22:36:33 I checked out the bindings..the restart-bind, and read the description..should work. Confused on the need for it, but I think I'll need to read up a bit more on these, and check for some examples and all like suggested. 22:36:40 It's almost nice to deal with the "user-level" side of this instead of the low-level guts of stack unwinding. 22:37:32 Restart-bind is necessary because an awful lot of restarts only make sense in a narrow context. 22:37:35 Yeah, I can't say I've dealt with the stack unwinding much at all yet. 22:38:15 Ah, I see, so a restart bound calling something else with a restart bound..and trying to fallback and all? 22:38:38 Well, there's fallbacks, but there's also the question of what restarts are even available. 22:38:51 (What's a good example here?) 22:39:30 -!- nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:39:35 With fe[nl]ix's example, there's a STORE-VALUE restart. That's not a restart that you'd expect to see if you had run out of disk space trying to write a file. 22:42:16 I've occasionally had a RETRY restart for certain operations. Having a RETRY restart available doesn't make sense if the system doesn't know what to retry and how to retry it. 22:42:17 -!- malumalu_ [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4dcf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:44:41 Essentially, a restart is a way to say "if something goes wrong with what I'm about to do, here's a strategy for dealing with the problem." 22:45:13 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:46:11 And a handler-bind is a way to say "if something goes wrong with what I'm about to do, please use this strategy in order to proceed." 22:46:23 Yeah, that makes sense. So how does the error handler take place with that? I mean, in the example I posted it envokes the handler just fine, which envokes a restart...I've tried with-restart, and that works just fine..but when I tried with-restart, in the example posted, got it so it didn't envoke the handler, only the restarter. 22:46:40 Modius_ [n=Modius@ppp-70-251-184-170.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 22:46:42 -!- malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4dcf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:46:44 Ah, hmm..ok, so that's the distinction 22:46:59 It's one way to look at the distinction. 22:47:23 I'lll annotate my first example with the restart-condition, which works perfectly fine..sec 22:47:33 As you can handler-bind and then not use a restart, or use a restart without involving a condition or a handler at all. 22:48:00 TDT annotated #75483 with "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75483#1 22:48:34 Yeah, using both at the same time is where things seemed to get kinda weird. 22:49:25 Both by themselves is kinda fine..except with handler bind, it still sees it as an error..well, did when I last tried it, once the bound function finished executing. Didn't see that it was "fine to continue", but I didn't return anything just did a format. 22:49:28 Umm... That's not how you use restart-case. 22:51:05 Fare [n=Fare@c-98-216-111-110.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:40 hehe, got the behavior that I wanted, but now I'm definitely concerned now I didn't pick up the basics even the chapter described. 22:51:40 (restart-case (error ...) (my-restart () (format t "Restarting.~%"))) 22:51:44 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:51:46 -!- Modius [n=Modius@adsl-69-149-118-79.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:52:22 So I have it flipped...weird 22:52:50 gah, running (directory ...) will error out if some files have weird non-character bytes in their names. 22:53:08 (on sbcl) 22:53:15 hah, ok, god, that makes sense now, flipped just executed the method, didn't do anything special 22:53:43 Fare: that should be a bug on a unicode lisp like sbcl 22:53:46 Fare: Fun. I suppose you don't want to hear any suggestions involving changing the default external format over the call to directory? 22:54:15 Fare: Oh, and are you sure that the summary of the last boston-lisp-meeting is correct in your announcement of the next one? 22:54:20 nyef: I may, or I may not. 22:54:39 nyef, what's fishy looking? 22:54:54 I thought it was about game development, not natural language programming? 22:54:58 oops 22:55:15 maybe I forgot to edit stuff out from the previous thingie 22:55:36 Hmm, heading out to eat. Gonna read on this all some more later. Thanks for the patience and help guys. 22:56:04 nyef annotated #75483 with "An actual use of restart-case" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75483#2 22:56:21 TDT: Have fun, and good luck. 22:56:46 -!- hdfhefgaert43t [i=bite@gateway/tor/x-02fd159c32587260] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:57:50 I did 22:57:53 apologies 22:59:56 nyef: thanks 23:00:02 webpage fixed. 23:00:11 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@141.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 23:00:13 mail already sent not fixed, however :( 23:00:32 "hey folks, just gimme access to your mailbox" 23:01:38 nyef: that'd be over calls not just to directory, but also to open, etc. 23:01:55 otherwise, "interesting" things may happen 23:02:34 *fusss* scratching head over mutliple lisp instances of multiple lisp implementations all running under swank on a remote box listening on multiple ports 23:02:58 Fare: Which means then specifying external-format explicitly in all open operations, doesn't it 23:02:59 ? 23:03:07 -!- nyef [n=nyef@pool-64-223-182-13.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has left #lisp 23:03:11 nyef [n=nyef@pool-64-223-182-13.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:21 Oops. C-w'd the wrong application. 23:04:01 nyef: painful, and not super portable 23:04:08 True enough. 23:04:50 gonzojive_ [n=red@c-98-234-106-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:51 for equivalent pain, I'd prefer spend time getting IOLib up to speed on portable-across-implementation, per-OS pathnames. 23:05:13 (see my previous rant on CL and pathnames on my blog) 23:05:28 -!- gonzojive_ [n=red@c-98-234-106-102.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:05:34 Yeah, it's really too bad about the restrictions on logical pathnames as well. 23:05:42 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:10 I -like- LPNs in the abstract, but it's when I try to use them even within the constraints of a single implementation that things go wrong. 23:06:33 what goes wrong? 23:06:49 ayrnieu: It turns out that #\_ isn't a valid character in an LPN. 23:07:25 at all, or only in the input syntax? 23:07:47 I'm not sure it matters, honestly. 23:07:52 indeed 23:08:10 " :depends-on (#-sbcl #:babel #:usocket #:trivial-gray-streams)" <-- does sbcl have these three modules builtin? 23:08:14 (And SBCL complained when I tried to establish it as part of a logical-pathname-translation, so quite possible at all.) 23:08:38 fusss: No, it does not. 23:08:58 full: the #- only protects #:babel 23:09:37 Fare: good catch, but even then. well, nobody is using CGI these days to catch that bug. 23:09:38 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-092-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:10:14 CGI? 23:10:47 *Fare* wonders what to do of conditional includes in xcvb 23:10:59 especially when the builder and buildee are not the same system... 23:11:16 i'm taking on FastCGI on a site for faster file upload outside hunchentoot (via apache and any CL fastcgi i can get to work without having to throw CLISP into the mix) 23:11:36 tacking 23:15:20 -!- stepnem [n=chatzill@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:18:26 -!- mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@ip68-98-133-128.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 23:18:47 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-98-216-111-110.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 23:18:51 Fare [n=Fare@c-98-216-111-110.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:13 -!- gonzojive [n=red@c-24-130-53-246.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:20:13 Fare: in two weeks I should be able to resume hacking on iolib 23:20:19 fe[nl]ix, nice 23:21:08 fe[nl]ix, what do you think of using native FFI representations for pathnames all along? 23:21:28 and wrapping them with appropriate functions. 23:22:08 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-255-167.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 23:22:10 that could be done 23:22:25 I think it's the Right Thing(tm) 23:22:30 did you read my rant? 23:22:33 yes 23:22:35 it was addressed to you 23:22:40 :D 23:23:12 -!- dat [n=dthomp@dyn-188-dynamic.linfield.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:24:02 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [] 23:24:25 in the meantime, I'm using DIRECTORY and :WILD-INFERIORS to detect all the BUILD.lisp files, excluding .svn and _darcs directories (sigh) 23:25:04 good luck 23:25:55 *Fare* resumed work on xcvb today. 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