08:49:55 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@master.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 08:49:55 08:49:55 -!- names: ccl-logbot aerique yhara dysinger eevar2 Aankhen`` workthrick semka_ jdz ntoll Modius mvilleneuve shurain ecraven eevar patmaddox adityo ramkrsna huangjs lichtblau amnesiac cheatcountry poet peddie ace4016 dialtone felipe Adamant ayrnieu repnop benny Liempt gemelen rdd ajw123 illuminati1113 r0bby BrianRice sellout yahooooo Jasko mprentice ASau kpreid kuwabara1 kejsaren Zephtar antoinevg drewc mle xan alexbobp daniel b4|hraban araujo eno 08:49:55 -!- names: addled ``Erik bob_f cmm Patzy bombshel1er13 bombshelter13 hugod trebor_dki drdo sohail wlr antgreen matimago segv HET2 existentialmonk jsoft Phoodus aundro__ madnificent binarin ia mishok13 X-Scale p_l cods Fade maskd mtd kleppari rsynnott xinming brandelune_ cavelife^ pkhuong Cel sykopomp Aisling kmkaplan rotty Thas mornfall mgr minion frodef maio rumbleca CrazyEddy sbahra mns xristos lemonodor schme g0ju_ V-ille larstobi lnostdal realtime 08:49:55 -!- names: mikezor sepisultrum authentic sysfault tarbo joast svaksha dcrawford dfox wormilwork deepfire p8m mooglenorph Jarvellis Soulman ilitirit anekos spiderbyte echo-area joga Khisanth jsnell m4thrick fgtech vsync |jeremiah froog Draggor tltstc kzar dostoyevsky appletizer srcerer specbot lisppaste jajcloz nullwork l_a_m Tristam dto beach djkthx VityokOrgUa sad0ur_ Quadrescence slyrus pchrist Tordek mathrick joshe sledge bohanlon gcopenhaver pjb 08:49:55 -!- names: iskander_ prip easch retupmoca nxt KingThomasIV archangelpetro bdowning dmiles_afk Adrinael _death lemoinem billstclair EvanR housel azuk gz cYmen karvus flazz erg hefner kreuter spacebat jrockway ltbarcly Thumper_ l4ndfo nasloc__ kg4qxk gaja_ koollman boyscared plutonas pierre_thierry aking PissedNumlock keithr tic Zhivago poolio Cryovat mcxx rey_ foom TDT jkantz kefka myrkraverk AntiSpamMeta hsaliak sjbach Bucciarati johs z0d pok pragma_ 08:49:55 -!- names: phadthai meingbg Guest82189 frontiers antifuchs yoonkn e271 froydnj danderson luis chii eirik Martinp23 _dd guenther__ kuhzoo Arnar scode enn Xof Dazhbog technik _3b turbo24prg Riastradh qebab Chrononaut koning_robot herbieB ineiros ianmcorvidae thijso clog mqt djinni` drforr ahaas wasabi__ Maddas andrewy maxote vcgomes krappie zbigniew fnordus albino mr_uggla 08:53:48 Is it possible to inherit from the xlib:window class? Afaik it clx doesn't use CLOS, but the type has some interesting features I'd like to have in my class. 08:55:27 alinpopa [n=alinpopa@86.122.9.2] has joined #lisp 08:58:13 jewel [n=jewel@41.247.199.21] has joined #lisp 08:59:48 you know you've been hacking too much lisp when your right parenthesis key won't work anymore 09:00:37 Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-064-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:00:53 jewel: good job. 09:00:54 manic12 [n=manic12@c-98-227-25-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:03:55 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 09:06:17 spiaggia [n=user@armadillo.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 09:06:21 Good morning. 09:06:27 hello spiaggia 09:06:31 mornin' beach 09:07:03 reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 09:07:05 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:07:32 jewel: heretic! noone can ever hack lisp too much 09:07:33 -!- manic12 [n=manic12@c-98-227-25-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:08:28 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 09:08:28 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Operation timed out] 09:12:29 Bribek [n=Bribek@lenio-pat.lenio.dk] has joined #lisp 09:15:31 jewel: no, it just shows you're not using emacs+paredit... 09:15:45 oh, but I do 09:20:18 'good-morning 09:20:25 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 09:21:25 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:24:11 -!- amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:32:02 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:32:48 wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has joined #lisp 09:35:13 dwave [n=ask@213.236.208.247] has joined #lisp 09:36:37 borism [n=boris@195-50-200-246-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 09:42:31 lyte [n=lyte@60-242-109-30.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:42:57 -!- patmaddox [n=pergesu@ip68-4-201-9.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [] 09:43:17 -!- reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:43:47 reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 09:48:01 angel_ [n=antani@host105-228-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:48:45 Sbidicuda [n=antani@host105-228-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:49:25 -!- angel_ [n=antani@host105-228-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:43 manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:52:27 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:52:28 kiuma [n=kiuma@83.103.127.195] has joined #lisp 09:52:39 hello lispers 09:54:17 jewel: Why would you ever need to use the right parenthesis key if you use Paredit? o_O 09:54:54 it has meaning in paredit too 09:55:14 I know that, but I've never actually needed to use it. 09:56:03 *stassats* uses it 09:57:19 Hmmm. 09:57:40 masm [n=user@89.155.110.17] has joined #lisp 09:57:41 You know what, I might actually benefit from using it now that I think about. 10:00:18 stepnem [n=chatzill@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #lisp 10:01:29 matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has joined #lisp 10:05:15 H4ns [n=Hans@p57BBA603.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:08:36 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 10:10:20 loz- [n=loz@211.26.185.28] has joined #lisp 10:14:00 ruediger [n=the-rued@62-47-131-179.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 10:16:59 -!- poet [n=chatzill@64.198.227.140] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009020911]"] 10:20:23 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 10:20:41 aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 10:20:42 iaindalton [n=user@host-72-174-169-236.cdc-ut.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 10:22:44 -!- ajw123 [n=adam@s15299646.onlinehome-server.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 10:23:23 -!- iaindalton [n=user@host-72-174-169-236.cdc-ut.client.bresnan.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 10:24:23 Zephtar_ [n=srusek@d57-112.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:27:55 -!- Zephtar [n=srusek@d57-112.icpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:28:02 -!- Zephtar_ is now known as Zephtar 10:28:56 josie_ [i=tinyirc@ip72-197-229-240.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:27 writing the shortest, neatest eliza possible is quite a project! 10:29:29 c|mell [n=cmell@EM114-48-139-190.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:29:42 How does that make you feel? 10:33:03 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 10:33:41 it makes me feel like going on 10:33:47 -!- ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:34:39 that's very easy problem to call it "a project", assumig it also to be "shortest" 10:35:16 -!- lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:35:16 hmm, "./make.sh &> foo" fails somewhere in the sb-simple-streams contrib, it seems. What's the right way to redirect sbcl's build output? 10:35:29 dihymo [n=dihymo@97-124-44-151.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:36:38 assuming it also to be "shortest" ? - what do you mean 10:36:45 luis: screen? :-) 10:37:29 I'd like to grep the output, does screen let me do that? 10:37:51 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit ["Somebody rebooted me"] 10:38:26 stassats - i'm interested to know what you meant by your last message, i don't quite understand 10:38:41 josie_: i repeated your words, you'd know better 10:38:47 screen lets you write a log of the buffer to a file after the fact, and it also has an interactive search 10:38:47 otoh, I don't care about the contribs in this case so this is probably a non-issue 10:39:17 benny: cool, I'll check it out, thanks. 10:40:42 i never said anything about a "very easy project" or assumption 10:41:07 as should go without saying, those words which were not mine are those in which i'm interested. 10:41:48 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087F812.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:42:06 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 10:42:42 tripwyre [n=sathya@117.193.161.79] has joined #lisp 10:44:18 luis - build SBCL in an emacs buffer. 10:44:42 binarin` [n=user@62.105.145.214] has joined #lisp 10:44:56 KingThomasV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:44:58 X-Scale2 [i=email@89.180.107.50] has joined #lisp 10:54:31 jsoft_ [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 10:55:37 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 11:00:37 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:01:38 -!- KingThomasIV [n=KingThom@c-66-177-17-200.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:02:25 -!- binarin [n=user@62.105.145.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:02:54 iaindalton [n=user@host-72-174-169-236.cdc-ut.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 11:03:11 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89.180.107.50] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:09:29 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:09:47 -!- josie_ [i=tinyirc@ip72-197-229-240.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #lisp 11:10:13 clhs ~@ 11:10:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/22_c.htm 11:13:01 -!- jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14:52 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-064-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:15:16 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 11:31:09 jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has joined #lisp 11:38:55 robyonrails [n=roby@host207-200-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:41:57 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-176-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:15 -!- yhara [n=yhara@raichu.netlab.jp] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:47:18 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 11:48:18 -!- iaindalton [n=user@host-72-174-169-236.cdc-ut.client.bresnan.net] has left #lisp 11:48:47 -!- X-Scale2 [i=email@89.180.107.50] has left #lisp 11:53:13 -!- realtime [i=sabbath@189.72.27.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:53:20 realtime [i=sabbath@189.72.27.133] has joined #lisp 12:02:20 -!- kzar [n=kzar@hardwick.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:08:28 -!- lemonodor [n=lemonodo@adsl-76-214-12-32.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 12:09:46 FZ [n=user@unaffiliated/fz] has joined #lisp 12:11:27 -!- schme [n=schme@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit ["leaving"] 12:16:39 Ogedei [n=user@78.52.234.216] has joined #lisp 12:16:54 ageldama [n=user@59.86.230.57] has joined #lisp 12:18:18 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 12:20:14 -!- ageldama [n=user@59.86.230.57] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:21:50 -!- adityo [n=adityo@202.87.51.241] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 12:21:50 Grilinctus [n=Aankhen@122.162.155.56] has joined #lisp 12:21:57 durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has joined #lisp 12:25:17 -!- dihymo [n=dihymo@97-124-44-151.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:25:58 -!- loz- [n=loz@211.26.185.28] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27:31 bob_f_ [n=bob@mail.phgroup.com] has joined #lisp 12:27:33 -!- bob_f_ is now known as bobf 12:28:52 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 12:29:54 -!- bobf [n=bob@mail.phgroup.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:30:15 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@progpc35.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 12:32:49 maacl [n=mac@0x55816205.terminal.tdcmobil.dk] has joined #lisp 12:33:56 auclairb [n=auclairb@dhcp180-24.residence.usherb.ca] has joined #lisp 12:34:37 is this the place to ask questions about slime/emacs ? 12:35:07 roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 12:35:30 about slime specific question about emacs, yes, for emacs in general there is #emacs 12:36:05 stassats: thanks, slime keeps hanging on me and freezing emacs when I try to do completions 12:37:41 well, there is a lot of symbols to complete, it may be slow on slow computers 12:38:10 ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 12:38:52 stassats: when it works I get an instant response, I think I have screwed something up in my .emacs 12:39:07 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.155.56] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:39:22 lisppaste: url? 12:39:23 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 12:39:41 maacl: paste your slime related part of .emacs 12:40:16 -!- Grilinctus is now known as Aankhen`` 12:40:30 maacl: you may start emacs -Q (or --help to see options how to avoid using your .emacs) 12:41:00 maacl: you can then open your .emacs and evaluate it step by step (eval-region) 12:41:03 stassats: there it is 12:41:46 trebor_dki: it evaluates fine with no errors, but somehow slime hangs sometimes when I try to do completions 12:42:42 maacl: yes, therefore you may only evaluate those parts absolutely needed for slime and try again. 12:43:22 trebor_dki: don't have anything else in it :-), well except paredit 12:43:55 you may try to update slime 12:44:24 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-176-5.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 12:44:48 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:44:53 I don't really use the completion in slime, it's just too slow 12:44:59 maybe i should disable slime-fancy 12:46:47 get a real computer! 12:47:13 stassats: :-) 12:47:17 dude, I have a fast machine 12:48:17 my machine is far from being fast, and still completion works ok 12:48:42 ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:51:01 Maybe he's a fly. 13:03:36 vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has joined #lisp 13:03:50 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:06:51 -!- reaver__ [n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:07:04 Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:17 reaver__ [n=reaver@212.88.117.162] has joined #lisp 13:10:07 -!- Liempt [n=Bevinvan@unaffiliated/liempt] has quit ["SUCK A GIANT DICK MR_FLEA"] 13:14:32 -!- matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:14:41 -!- auclairb [n=auclairb@dhcp180-24.residence.usherb.ca] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 13:14:42 matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:58 -!- durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has quit [] 13:18:33 -!- semka_ [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:18:41 -!- maacl [n=mac@0x55816205.terminal.tdcmobil.dk] has left #lisp 13:18:53 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.155.56] has quit [" Gumbybrain is a rhythmic movement of the skud, bekj, sharky, kd, alias, dec, nom, tonyc and xfire or crappy or p] 13:21:09 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 13:21:15 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has left #lisp 13:21:49 -!- wormilwork [n=Miranda@adsl-070-155-056-058.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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15:32:34 minion: Are you okay? 15:32:55 Hrm. 15:33:03 nyef: can you kick it? 15:33:43 Trying to login now. 15:35:30 -!- lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:35:31 -!- specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:35:31 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:36:02 You know, I still think that image is trying to do too much. 15:36:21 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:36:29 Anyway, it's kicked. 15:37:12 Simultaneously too much, and not enough. It should be able to rejoin a bot if it gets disconnected without having taken down the rest of the system. 15:37:41 Heh. It's still running -araneida-. 15:39:07 -!- wormilwork [n=Miranda@adsl-070-155-056-058.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:39:31 borism_ [n=boris@195-50-215-238-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 15:39:47 nyef: there are still people who use araneida 15:39:48 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:02 fe[nl]ix: Not many, I'd think. 15:40:26 What's with this "Sleeping 0.1..." message? 15:41:07 Alpha release of Sleeping? 15:41:22 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:29 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:19 adeht pasted "inference confusion" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75337 15:42:44 shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has joined #lisp 15:42:46 m 15:43:06 <_death> why does the second foo has hairy refs 15:44:36 borism__ [n=boris@195-50-212-116-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 15:44:37 -!- stepnem [n=chatzill@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 15:45:09 <_death> (have) 15:45:19 ... Because you added a rotatef? 15:45:21 -!- borism [n=boris@195-50-200-246-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 15:45:48 <_death> nyef: and? 15:47:10 And they're re-assigned, so the compiler gets paranoid? 15:47:12 joachifm [n=joachim@bjo1-1x-dhcp474.studby.uio.no] has joined #lisp 15:49:13 <_death> no reason for paranoia here ;) 15:50:47 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-215-238-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 15:51:44 -!- FZ [n=user@unaffiliated/fz] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 15:52:14 -!- Bribek [n=Bribek@lenio-pat.lenio.dk] has quit [] 15:52:22 So, how curious are you as to why the compiler does what it does? 15:54:18 loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has joined #lisp 15:56:04 <_death> heh I just wrote a little Levenshtein distance impl. to compare to Norvig's timings (approx. as I don't have his python impl.), and was puzzled that it didn't generate the code I expected it to.. unless I explicitly added the type declarations 15:56:14 <_death> (and it didn't give me any warnings.. weird) 15:56:48 rpg [n=rpg@75.146.46.193] has joined #lisp 16:01:21 -!- eevar2 [n=jalla@56.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:03:54 Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:06 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-188-181.northland.net] has quit [] 16:05:31 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-188-181.northland.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:33 _death: the compiler probably starts by saying "OK, A is of type T. Can I narrow it down any further? I can see that it is a SIMPLE-ARRAY-FIXNUM, and then it's assigned from B, so I need to union B's type with SIMPLE-ARRAY-FIXNUM" 16:06:59 then it says "OK, B is of type T. Can I narrow it any further? I can see that it is a SIMPLE-ARRAY-FIXNUM, and then it's assigned from A, so I need to union A's type with SIMPLE-ARRAY-FIXNUM" 16:07:39 unfortunately it is then not clever enough to work out that SIMPLE-ARRAY-FIXNUM is a valid answer 16:07:58 tompa [n=thomas@h111n3fls31o1096.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:10:13 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:39 <_death> ok, thanks for the explanation. I suspected it was something like that. I really wonder why there were no notes or anything, though.. even with the naïve declaration-less code (I used to get lots of helpful notes in the past.. maybe some regression?) 16:11:15 No, sometimes the compiler just doesn't have any ideas for improvement. 16:11:20 _death: no (declare (optimize speed)) ? 16:11:24 Or that. 16:11:45 <_death> I added (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) and expected to get some notes, from my previous experience with such code 16:13:18 <_death> but wait.. I should check it w/o slime, just to make sure 16:13:20 Yeah, no flaming for hairy-vector-{set,ref} here. 16:13:32 <_death> ah yes 16:13:38 <_death> it's slime 16:13:54 gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 16:15:46 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["..."] 16:17:26 <_death> with `C-c C-c' it does give notes, but appears to suppress them with `C-M-x' 16:18:58 bfein [n=bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:18:58 durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has joined #lisp 16:19:44 nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 16:19:52 EVAL eats notes. 16:19:53 <_death> apparently because it uses `eval' 16:20:01 <_death> yeah.. why? 16:20:19 <_death> I guess the interpreter is not used by default 16:20:21 "UK University Making Universal Game Emulator" 16:20:26 It's probably not what you want when your actually use EVAL (in a progr 16:20:27 am) 16:20:29 i'm dubious. 16:22:00 rurban [n=chatzill@212-183-55-23.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 16:22:02 That it also does that at the raw REPL, however, is a bit surprising. OTOH, there aren't many people who really use it. 16:22:40 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit ["Somebody rebooted me"] 16:22:41 <_death> do what at the raw REPL? 16:22:44 (compile nil (lambda () ...)) is so much nicer 16:23:03 *dlowe* misses a ' 16:23:28 ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 16:23:29 <_death> well, I am used to `C-M-x' because I know sbcl does compile by default 16:23:39 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:23:57 <_death> and it used to give warnings 16:24:02 <_death> (notes) 16:24:06 -!- dwave [n=ask@213.236.208.247] has quit ["Be back later"] 16:28:07 Hun [n=hun@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:28:25 <_death> so I guess in the end it's my fault for using `C-M-x' rather than `C-c C-c'.. 16:29:58 Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has joined #lisp 16:30:51 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire."] 16:33:08 ozy` [n=vt920@pool-71-184-104-97.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:39 <_death> shame that lambda.txt hasn't been updated for years 16:34:36 chaitanya [n=chaitany@122.161.108.79] has joined #lisp 16:35:49 LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:00 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:37:47 <_death> time for slime-fortune.el, which kinda looks like slime-motd.el I guess 16:38:49 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:39:16 Quadrescence [n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:39:33 avdi1 [n=avdi@c-71-58-195-219.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:33 lemonodor [n=lemonodo@76.214.12.32] has joined #lisp 16:44:49 -!- gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:44:57 gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 16:47:22 -!- matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:47:32 matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:13 -!- gz [n=gz@209-6-18-72.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:48:27 gz [n=gz@209-6-18-72.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 16:49:00 ReiniUrban [n=chatzill@212-183-55-23.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 16:49:21 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@EM114-48-139-190.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:49:23 -!- ReiniUrban [n=chatzill@212-183-55-23.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has left #lisp 16:50:48 c|mell [n=cmell@EM114-48-130-46.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:53:11 -!- Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:53:23 -!- avdi [n=avdi@c-71-58-195-219.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53:39 Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has joined #lisp 16:54:22 -!- rurban [n=chatzill@212-183-55-23.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:57:59 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:58:18 -!- Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has quit [Client Quit] 16:58:21 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 16:59:03 -!- mishok13 [n=gdmfsob@dm.sonopia.com] has quit ["Stopping IRC chat... 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18:15:38 perhaps I was the only one actually using that... 18:15:53 for hunchentoot ? 18:15:59 slyrus_: because we think that it does not need to be part of the hunchentoot core. we discussed putting the functions into a separate file. 18:16:09 (or package/system/whatever) 18:16:37 that would be nice 18:16:57 slyrus_: would you volunteer to do it, as you use it? we don't. 18:16:59 slyrus_ i'd use port forwarding and run it unprivileged 18:17:34 H4ns: yeah, but I might not get to it for a few days 18:17:48 congrats on the 1.0 release, btw! 18:17:49 slyrus_: we don't have any pressure :) 18:18:07 slyrus_: it is done when it is done. hopefully end of the week. 18:18:21 ah, I saw the version change in the svn repo and figured it was done :) 18:18:24 ruediger [n=the-rued@62-47-129-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 18:18:40 bumping the version number was the easy part. 18:19:51 noamsml [n=noam@campuswide-13-37.emich.edu] has joined #lisp 18:20:53 Beket [n=stathis@ppp183-63.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:21:50 -!- Tordek [n=tordek@host147.190-227-32.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:23:03 -!- ramkrsna [n=ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:25:44 -!- abhi` [n=user@59.96.59.235] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:26:20 Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-064-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:52 -!- H4ns [n=Hans@p57BBA603.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:29:21 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:29:39 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 18:30:33 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@dpc6745208046.direcpc.com] has quit [] 18:33:48 -!- willb [n=wibenton@66.187.234.199] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:35:29 willb [n=wibenton@66.187.234.199] has joined #lisp 18:36:24 dihymo [n=dihymo@97-124-44-151.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:07 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #lisp 18:40:56 pitui [n=pitui@c-76-98-192-104.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:42:00 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 18:42:16 -!- dl [n=user@dhcp75.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:44:18 -!- noamsml [n=noam@campuswide-13-37.emich.edu] has quit ["Hi, I'm a failed mutation of a quit message virus. 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CLICK(G, user_agent, referer, depth, duration) where G is a graph of links that have the paid link as a root. Hand tweaking G so each CLICK function is "randomized" is pretty hard to detect. 19:06:06 uid changing doesn't need to be part of the server itself (probably better that it's not, really) 19:07:33 -!- mns [n=user@c-76-119-251-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:07:37 for a video site, for example, you could make G point to the content, and set the duration of each visit to video duration + padding. 19:07:51 mns [n=user@c-76-119-251-7.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:27 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 19:11:28 -!- tompa [n=thomas@h111n3fls31o1096.telia.com] has quit ["leaving"] 19:12:12 -!- antgreen [n=green@CPE0014bf0b631a-CM001e6b1858fa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:13:58 antgreen [n=green@CPE0014bf0b631a-CM001e6b1858fa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:16:26 Eleanore [n=a@c213-100-35-225.swipnet.se] has joined #lisp 19:17:55 -!- dabd [n=dabd@mouse.inesc-id.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:19:18 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:19:21 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:30 -!- Sbidicuda [n=antani@host105-228-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:31:12 -!- loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:35:48 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41:14 rlb3 [n=user@ng1.cptxoffice.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:06 -!- auclairb [n=auclairb@laborius1.gel.usherb.ca] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:43:04 -!- Beket [n=stathis@ppp183-63.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:44:14 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:49:25 auclairb [n=auclairb@laborius1.gel.usherb.ca] has joined #lisp 19:51:13 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 19:52:11 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 19:52:44 dl [n=user@dhcp75.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 19:53:43 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.155.56] has quit ["Induhvidual Quote: It's like a monkey on the back of the elephant in the room."] 19:58:54 -!- auclairb [n=auclairb@laborius1.gel.usherb.ca] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:00:28 -!- antgreen [n=green@CPE0014bf0b631a-CM001e6b1858fa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #lisp 20:05:01 jajcloz [n=jaj@wireless-25-189.media.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 20:05:02 -!- joachifm [n=joachim@bjo1-1x-dhcp474.studby.uio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:07:42 ken-p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has joined #lisp 20:08:04 HT9 [n=HT9@p4FD3ECD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:00 -!- [Head|Rest] [n=jap@217.149.188.231] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net"] 20:11:39 is there something similar to libevent for lisp? I have used it quite efficiently in a C program I wrote quite a while ago. However, I have only found a lisp wrapper for libevent, whose webpage says it hasn't implemented much of libevent's functionality yet. 20:11:40 is there a way to do this? maybe via the foreign function interface? 20:12:45 <_death> maybe you want to look into iolib 20:13:59 *HT9* googles 20:14:54 minion: iolib? 20:14:56 iolib: I/O(mainly networking) library containing: a BSD sockets library, a DNS resolver and an I/O multiplexer that supports select(2), epoll(4) and kqueue(2). http://www.cliki.net/iolib 20:15:30 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 20:15:47 schasi [n=schasi@p54A247F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:52 "that supports select(2), epoll(4) and kqueue(2)" ... sounds a lot like libevent 20:16:52 kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:25 -!- willb [n=wibenton@66.187.234.199] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:22:22 Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has joined #lisp 20:22:27 tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 20:22:50 Greetings! 20:24:56 Greeting earthling 20:28:27 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has joined #lisp 20:28:57 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:47 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@220.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 20:30:57 durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has joined #lisp 20:32:44 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:37:51 -!- robyonrails [n=roby@host207-200-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 20:41:19 willb [n=wibenton@66.187.234.199] has joined #lisp 20:42:46 -!- lemonodor [n=lemonodo@76.214.12.32] has quit [] 20:45:45 asdf12345 [n=asdf1234@nat/ibm/x-cd2aef41146a8259] has joined #lisp 20:46:09 -!- asdf12345 [n=asdf1234@nat/ibm/x-cd2aef41146a8259] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 20:46:39 -!- rindolf [n=shlomi@bzq-219-139-216.static.bezeqint.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:47:20 antoni [n=antoni@224.pool85-53-17.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 20:50:25 -!- dl [n=user@dhcp75.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:52:38 lyte [n=lyte@60-242-109-30.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:56:10 -!- lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:59:43 fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-42-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 21:03:12 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-231-10.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 21:05:17 binghe [n=binghe@60.12.227.4] has joined #lisp 21:07:18 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-209-240.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 21:11:09 auclairb [n=auclairb@laborius1.gel.usherb.ca] has joined #lisp 21:12:28 mjf [n=mjf@r9fk26.net.upc.cz] has joined #lisp 21:13:29 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has joined #lisp 21:15:55 -!- durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has quit [] 21:16:05 -!- auclairb [n=auclairb@laborius1.gel.usherb.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 21:22:03 HG` [n=wells@222-152-11-141.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:26:03 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:26:19 schme [n=schme@c83-249-80-232.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:27:29 noamsml [n=noam@74.94.227.158] has joined #lisp 21:28:19 Is there a decent Common Lisp IDE for Linux other than LispWorks? 21:28:54 sure, emacs 21:28:59 lol 21:29:06 Eeek 21:29:08 what a question 21:29:10 Emacs scares me 21:29:32 then look for the Eclipse plugin. 21:29:39 common lisp on free OSes seems to be very tightly linked to emacs 21:30:38 noamsml: you must learn to love fear. watch one of those SLIME screencasts 21:30:40 durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has joined #lisp 21:30:41 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:30:41 it's way better than any horror movie 21:31:00 fe[nl]ix: I couldn't even get SLIME to load 21:31:37 -!- durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has quit [Client Quit] 21:32:28 sulo [n=sulo@p57B49C37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:32:50 -!- pjb [n=t@81-66-196-92.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:32:52 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:33:24 noamsml: what problems did you encounter ? 21:33:46 fe[nl]ix: "apply: Searching for program: no such file or directory, lisp" 21:35:22 noamsml: add (setq inferior-lisp-program "/path/to/your/lisp") to your .emacs 21:35:31 -!- antoni [n=antoni@224.pool85-53-17.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [] 21:35:42 fe[nl]ix: Ok, thanks 21:35:55 noamsml: clozure IDE.. soon :) 21:35:56 noamsml: slime defaults to "lisp" which is provided by cmucl by default 21:36:54 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-98-133-128.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:03 slackjaw [n=jolyonw@p54974E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:30 Zephtar_ [n=srusek@d57-112.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:37:41 manic12 [n=manic12@c-98-227-25-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:08 -!- HG` [n=wells@222-152-11-141.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:38:40 -!- realtime [i=sabbath@189.72.27.133] has left #lisp 21:38:44 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:39:27 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 21:39:55 parodyoflanguage [n=kevin@mmds-216-19-34-118.twm.az.commspeed.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:09 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:41:26 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-252-44.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 21:42:13 X-Scale [i=email@89-180-6-29.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 21:42:44 are there any benefits in learning how to handle emacs? is it worth the trouble? 21:43:21 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:44:22 Heh. Multiple windows of the same file are sorta sweet (this has to be the second or third time I go thru the emacs tutorial, though. I never remember a thing at the end) 21:44:34 Jasko2 [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:00 noamsml: get a emacs reference card on pdf...there are several on the web 21:45:26 http://moss.csc.ncsu.edu/~mueller/EmacsReferenceCard.pdf 21:45:27 HT9: what's the alternative? 21:45:47 hefner: dunno, using other IDEs? 21:46:02 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:46:05 Emacs is the best lisp environment available. Doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. But, how will you know what to improve until you understand the existing one. 21:46:07 btw, it was a serious question 21:46:27 the nice thing about learning emacs is that you only have to do it once 21:47:06 hefner: I actually had to try it 3 times before I got a hang of it 21:47:57 hefner: that's the nice thing about learning anything ;-) 21:48:30 HT9: Not true. I hate having to learn a programming language again when there is a revision. 21:48:49 HT9: yeah, but some things are more unduring than others. I'm glad I never got particularly attached to the intricacies of the Borland C++ IDE, for instance. 21:48:57 well, technically it wasn't the same language then, although it may have had the same label. 21:49:38 the problem with knowing emacs is that you won't be able to use anything else without swearing all the time an trying to convine other people of using emacs 21:50:12 except for maybe matlab which has an emacs compatibility mode 21:50:37 slyrus__ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:16 -!- manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:51:24 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:52:38 -!- noamsml [n=noam@74.94.227.158] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:53:23 -!- Zephtar [n=srusek@d57-112.icpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:54:14 -!- mjf [n=mjf@r9fk26.net.upc.cz] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 21:54:19 mjf [n=mjf@r9fk26.net.upc.cz] has joined #lisp 21:56:24 sepisultrum: so true, after working an evening in emacs at home and having to use VS the next day at work, C-x is killing me (or rather my lines ...) 21:57:04 -!- mjf [n=mjf@r9fk26.net.upc.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 21:57:14 mprentice_ [n=mprentic@cpe-76-180-140-152.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:57:19 I don't know, I think I'd prefer windows style selection and copy and paste even after using mostly emacs for years 21:58:50 HG` [n=wells@222-152-94-153.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:58:54 The problem is, I'm hitting C-x C-s while working in emacs all the time. When doing it in VS it first removes your current line and then saves. 21:59:50 VS obviously needs an emacs compatibility mode 22:00:03 it really does, yeah 22:01:04 (format nil "~{~~A, ~}" '(1 2 3 4)) ;; exhausts heap on SBCL and ABCL and Clozure. That's a hell of a typo. 22:01:55 nice :) 22:02:00 -!- HG` [n=wells@222-152-94-153.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 22:02:37 on ccl I get "18874368 is not of the expected type (UNSIGNED-BYTE 24) While executing: CCL::STRING-OUTPUT-STREAM-IOBLOCK-WRITE-CHAR" 22:03:07 which version? I have 1.2-r10552 22:03:34 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:33 1.3-dev-r11728M-trunk (LinuxX8632) 22:04:45 compiled a few hours ago 22:07:37 -!- anekos is now known as awayekos 22:09:04 -!- ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.66.47] has quit [] 22:10:35 fiveop: isn't there an emacs plugin thing for vs? 22:10:52 hefner: why not use cua-mode? 22:12:50 hmm, why indeed. 22:13:07 X-Scale2 [i=email@89.180.137.111] has joined #lisp 22:13:28 -!- nyef [n=nyef@pool-64-223-182-13.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit ["Offline the rest of the day, back tomorrow."] 22:13:46 there's a fairly long list of neat emacs things which I never get around to trying. 22:13:48 -!- mprentice [n=mprentic@cpe-76-180-140-152.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:14:31 stepnem_ [n=chatzill@topol.nat.praha12.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:34 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:15:43 ravster [n=user@dsl-67-55-1-237.acanac.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:50 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@wireless-25-189.media.mit.edu] has quit [] 22:16:03 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:17 Hello people 22:16:38 howdy ravster 22:16:39 Greetings ravster! 22:16:44 hefner: echo "(cua-mode)" >> .emacs ? 22:17:02 I was wondering if someone could help me sort out this error I get when loading slime in emacs. It says something about a 'swank-sbcl.fasl' file not found. 22:18:13 sepisultrum: that seems premature. obviously it never bothered me enough to try cua-mode. 22:18:28 (which I had forgotten existed. thanks for reminding me) 22:20:34 the only problem I see is using C-c with cua-mode. But it works normally when no selection is active afaik 22:20:37 -!- willb [n=wibenton@66.187.234.199] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:21:46 my immediate complaint, having turned it on several minutes ago, is that I'm in the habit of using C-v/M-v for navigation, and now they don't work. Surprise! My desires are contradictory. 22:22:59 -!- HT9 [n=HT9@p4FD3ECD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:23:23 HT9 [n=HT9@p4FD3EBA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:54 hefner: yeah, funny how that works isn't it? :) 22:26:43 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Success] 22:26:43 josemanuel [n=josemanu@220.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 22:29:19 -!- mprentice_ [n=mprentic@cpe-76-180-140-152.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Ciao!"] 22:29:56 Speaking of IDE's, are there any LispWorks users here that use it with SLIME? 22:30:24 -!- X-Scale [i=email@89-180-6-29.net.novis.pt] has quit [Success] 22:31:21 I'm evaluating putting a graphical interface on some lisp code use CAPI. My first step is to familiarize myself with the LispWorks IDE, but it would be great if I can avoid that. 22:31:32 -!- dihymo [n=dihymo@97-124-44-151.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:32:12 dihymo [n=dihymo@97-124-35-247.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:25 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 22:32:28 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.177.152] has quit ["Leaving..."] 22:33:32 -!- X-Scale2 is now known as X-Scale 22:34:33 -!- stepnem [n=chatzill@topol.nat.praha12.net] has quit [No route to host] 22:35:36 -!- Grymes [n=user@cpe-66-65-25-217.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:36:05 iaindalton [n=user@host-72-174-169-236.cdc-ut.client.bresnan.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:22 PCL says to (setf *print-pretty* t) to view (say) a macro expansion not all on one line, but it doesn't work. I have Clisp. Is that the reason? 22:39:25 lisppaste: url? 22:39:25 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 22:39:48 ianmcorvidae: show us what you did, starting with the setf and ending with what it printed 22:40:12 -!- HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:42:42 er, iaindalton:: 22:43:05 ginkgo [n=user@chello084113198244.17.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 22:44:04 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 22:44:29 iaindalton pasted "print-pretty" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75372 22:44:33 curiousbob [n=clee@adsl-71-140-63-206.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:34 -!- tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has left #lisp 22:48:18 -!- ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:48:48 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@EM114-48-130-46.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:49:08 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bl"] 22:49:12 antgreen [n=green@CPE0013f7bcd3c0-CM0013f7bcd3bc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:35 fusss [n=chatzill@pool-70-108-95-190.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:56 what makes lisp better than other programming languages? 22:50:19 breeding 22:50:36 selectively. 22:50:41 sort of how corn happened. 22:50:55 c|mell [n=cmell@EM114-48-3-41.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 22:51:52 -!- rlb3 [n=user@ng1.cptxoffice.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:52:08 is lisp only interpreted? 22:52:27 -!- Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:52:39 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 22:52:40 curiousbob: yes, usually directly by hardware 22:52:41 ejs1 [n=eugen@94-248-46-134.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 22:52:53 no. I wouldn't bother using a lisp without an efficient compiler. 22:53:06 SBCL is efficent, yes? 22:53:27 mooglenorph: what's sbcl? 22:53:47 curiousbob: the lisp implementation that I use. I really like it. 22:53:58 curiousbob: it is a compiler and provides the REPL for you. 22:54:04 curiousbob: have you read any of the many lisp intros online? 22:54:32 -!- mvilleneuve [n=matthieu@che33-1-82-66-18-171.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:54:43 Note that I have no experience with any other implementation, except ECL that one time for embedding some lisp. 22:55:41 -!- nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:55:52 fwiw, it helps to acquaint yourself with a few diverse implementations, just to be able to use the right tool for the job 22:56:15 I'm sure it is. I am really lazy though, and very, very busy. 22:56:24 I used ECL when I needed to embed, though. 22:56:51 Maybe over the summer I'll play with... CLISP? Or CMUCL maybe? 22:58:03 Maybe I'll (gasp) buy lispworks or something. or get my school to buy it for me. 22:58:16 slime + asdf take the edge out of lisp diversity though :-) 22:58:27 I... really like slime. 22:58:50 curiousbob: you can try lisp with an easy IDE now, if you would like :-) 22:58:53 Is there anything else like it? In programming environments in general? I'm sure smalltalk and haskell have some similar tools. 22:59:13 But... anything in widespread use? I like presentations. 22:59:46 mooglenorph: smalltalk, maybe, but nothing else like it. haskell? naah, it's still primitive wrt to interactive use 23:00:01 -!- sellout [n=greg@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [] 23:00:37 google for "slime clone" and you will see nearly every mainstream language, except maybe C++ and java 23:00:45 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@62-47-129-191.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:02:01 with presentations and everything? 23:03:02 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-4-239.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:03:35 Drakej [n=fred@216-67-5-254-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:05 -!- rpg [n=rpg@75.146.46.193] has quit [] 23:04:24 mooglenorph: dunno much about the smalltalks, but squeak should be most interactive, as a "system", not editor 23:04:44 rvirding [n=rvirding@h40n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 23:04:52 I've tried the ruby and python interaction. 23:04:59 It really can't touch slime. 23:06:17 -!- illuminati1113 [n=user@129.42.208.167] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:06:55 the most _broken_ is php. hard to write a decent mode for four different languages: php, html, css, js, whatever else. 23:07:29 Does C-c RET in SLIME prepend the macro expansion with a bunch of stuff for other people like it does for me? 23:07:31 iaindalton pasted "C-c RET in SLIME" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/75375 23:07:37 fusss: there's nxhtml-mode 23:07:44 ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:04 fe[nl]ix: woah! googling .. 23:08:35 \o/ 23:09:21 brb, changing machines 23:09:24 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@pool-70-108-95-190.res.east.verizon.net] has left #lisp 23:10:55 -!- schasi [n=schasi@p54A247F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:12:48 -!- ravster [n=user@dsl-67-55-1-237.acanac.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:14:51 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@dslb-082-083-064-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:14:57 -!- milanj [n=milan@79.101.196.40] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:16:25 -!- fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-42-29.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:19:36 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 23:21:34 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-98-133-128.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 23:23:33 I had a little lisp experience in college. 23:23:33 I'm getting back into it a little because of emacs 23:24:13 I'm just not sure what I would use it for outside of emacs 23:26:30 -!- ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:28:53 ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:22 antoni [n=antoni@224.pool85-53-17.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 23:29:36 tritchey_ [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:52 curiousbob: I'm in the same boat as you, but I figure I'll know better how to answer once I've learned lisp. 23:32:27 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0A5D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:33:13 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@94-248-46-134.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:35:40 -!- tritchey_ [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:37:26 ruediger [n=the-rued@62-47-131-204.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 23:43:04 curiousbob: I couldn't be bothered to learn Emacs a very long time ago, but then again it provided me with a nice Lisp IDE. Two weeks later, there were very few things I did not do from inside it. 23:43:51 curiousbob: Now I run Emacs, conkeror, and StumpWM. 23:44:44 -!- davazp [n=user@121.Red-79-152-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:45:17 curiousbob: Isn't Emacs enough of a reason? ;-) 23:45:59 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:46:09 progn only returns the value of the last form it evaluates, right? So if a form other than the last evaluates to nil, there'd be no way on knowing? 23:47:18 don't use progn then? 23:47:35 you could use and instead, though i have _no_ idea what you're actually asking. 23:47:42 reading further answered my question; don't mind me 23:47:56 PCL Ch.9 23:48:09 -!- slackjaw [n=jolyonw@p54974E54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:50:52 iaindalton: That sounds a hell of a lot like quoting the bible ;P 23:51:44 PCL 9:37 ;-) 23:52:00 Amen. 23:52:42 Although a better analogy would be the Talmud 23:53:24 Wouldn't that be ``ANSI Common Lisp''? 23:53:45 The Talmud is a collection of commentaries, so both could be in it. 23:54:18 durka42 [n=durka@130.58.199.81] has joined #lisp 23:54:20 Touche. 23:55:42 CS has a lot of scripture, doesn't it. Books are even named by their color. 23:56:35 *slyrus__* waits for someone to show up at a professional sporting event holding up a sign that says CLHS 3.4.4.1.2 instead of John 3:16. 23:56:49 iaindalton: Or the animals on their cover. 23:56:55 Yep 23:56:59 slyrus__: That's one excellent idea. 23:57:08 and you can tell that we're pre-Reformation, by the lack of sola scriptura programmers. 23:57:26 iaindalton: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/040314.html 23:57:34 ayrnieu: :P 23:58:16 ginkgo` [n=user@v254-049.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp