00:00:38 I got a question from someone else which seems relevant here: do lispers remap keys on qwerty keyboards? ( ) maybe? 00:00:58 i myself have never done it, but that doesn't prove anything 00:01:11 I don't. 00:01:44 I swap () and [] 00:01:54 -!- chris2 [n=chris@ppp-93-104-114-207.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:02:11 I replace uppercase å with ( and uppercase ä with ) 00:02:33 I once remapped caps lock to be an extra backspace, but I'm not sure that counts. 00:02:44 *hefner* uses caps lock as a third control key 00:03:07 hmm 00:03:50 and { / } for alt-gr å / ä. the finnish/swedish keyboard is pretty useless for programming by default 00:04:19 I'll second that 00:04:20 nyef: I tried caps lock as backspace once, but I'd previously bound backspace to /kill in quake 3 and wolfenstein, and mapped it back the first time I accidentally suicided during a game :) 00:06:08 -!- nurv101 [n=askmefor@bl10-228-1.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:06:15 -!- jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:06:52 -!- yhara_ [n=yhara@7.193.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:07:54 Well, I mosty did the remapping to try and piss off my co-workers-at-the-time, who had this obnoxious tendency to leave it enabled whenever they used my computer to do a bit of SQL. 00:08:44 I usually avoid any remapping so I don't get confused when on another machine :-) 00:09:34 _Pb [n=Pb@75.139.140.101] has joined #lisp 00:09:42 -!- a-s [n=user@92.80.104.123] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:10:33 -!- persi [n=user@ec2-174-129-176-219.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #lisp 00:11:40 so if I understood this quick questioning it's not that common 00:12:24 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:13:13 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:13:48 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:16:00 -!- Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.5.83.22] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:16:05 -!- timor [n=icke@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19:22 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:19:48 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 00:22:34 rvirding: when I was doing heavy lisp writing I swapped these pairs: 00:22:49 :; ([ )] |\ 00:22:55 so that the first of each was unshifted 00:23:19 '(foo:|bar baz|) <- entirely unshifted 00:23:30 kpreid: you mean you put a pair on one key? 00:23:35 no 00:24:35 you mean they were on their original keys but in the unshifted position? 00:24:40 no, I exactly exchanged those pairs starting from the standard US QWERTY. so shift-9 is [ and shift-0 is ] 00:25:00 and what's to the right of P is ( ) | 00:25:27 kpreid, now you dont use this mappings ? 00:25:34 mrSpec: no, I still do 00:25:55 -!- krimpet [n=fran@wikimedia/Krimpet] has quit ["changing servers"] 00:25:57 ok 00:26:17 krimpet [i=fran@wikimedia/Krimpet] has joined #lisp 00:26:40 i use a swedish keyboard now and i can't remember where the keys are on the us one (though my fingers tend to though) 00:27:06 but i think i understand what you did 00:27:08 do 00:29:14 rvirding, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_US-International.svg ;) 00:30:29 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:03 mrSpec: ty, :-) Messy keyboard, glad I don't have to use it. 00:31:32 yhara [n=yhara@raichu.netlab.jp] has joined #lisp 00:31:35 back in the old days when i had a us keyboard i would use the compose key in X to make swedish characters 00:31:52 a bit slower but much easier to program with 00:33:07 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@189.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 00:33:10 in Poland we use alt-gr to make polish characters on US keyboard. 00:33:43 rvirding, it isn't so messy, it is without this blue characters ;) 00:34:01 what goes where? 00:34:23 ? 00:35:04 i mean what characters do you generate with alt-gr and where on the keyb 00:35:06 ? 00:36:07 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:37:03 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit ["leaving"] 00:37:34 altgr + e =  ;altgr + o = ó ; l  ; s  ; z  ; x  ; c ; n  ; 00:39:19 ah, ty 00:39:53 np 00:40:00 ok I'm going to bed 00:40:04 c Ya ! 00:40:08 night 00:40:26 -!- mrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit [] 00:40:52 fusss [n=chatzill@pool-70-108-121-51.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:42:15 -!- felix^^_ [n=fgeller@dslb-088-074-206-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:46:34 now that fexprs are being defended publicly, how long until the funarg "problem" is reconsidered? 00:47:44 who knew 50 years of language research can be rendered useless with a little change in expectations. the problem was between chair and keyboard, all along. 00:47:56 cp1134 [n=cmp@unaffiliated/cp1134] has joined #lisp 00:48:52 -!- cp1134_ [n=cmp@unaffiliated/cp1134] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:49:49 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:51:33 nivya [n=nivya@c-24-1-184-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:51:50 "chair and keyboard"? 00:53:16 rvirding: are you following the train-wreck of a thread in cll by newlisp apologists? nothing short of intellectual infanticide; i have never seen someone so stubburn after they have proven wrong and mocked to smithereens. 00:53:55 cll? no, missed that one 00:54:04 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.15] has joined #lisp 00:54:22 should I try and find it? 00:54:37 at least rich hickey has the creds to stand before lispers and tell them what they should do "right". newlispers are the bambis of language theory. 00:55:14 seems like I should find this discussion, where is it? 00:55:32 rvirding: you can't miss it. the earlier "newlisp" thread is more savage and funny, great ingredients for future fortune cookies, imo. 00:57:50 fusss: finally got cll :-) been out of the real world so long i forgot it :-( 00:59:09 "You've taken Lisp back to before the day when McCarthy invented IF." 01:00:12 -!- _Pb [n=Pb@75.139.140.101] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:00:35 is it the thread called "newLISP is simple, terse, and well documented" 01:00:38 ? 01:01:01 yeah, and this is what newlisp looks like http://kazimirmajorinc.blogspot.com/ 01:02:29 happycodemonkey_ [n=carriear@147.226.246.120] has joined #lisp 01:02:30 right there, he says "definition of IF as function [is typically not possible in Lisp family]" is that a troll bait or a dumbass remark? you be the judge. 01:02:41 X-Scale [i=email@89-180-156-31.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 01:03:11 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:03:22 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #lisp 01:03:40 hint: eager evaluation. another hint, QUOTE. not exactly something you wanna say out loud is it? 01:05:22 ok, thanks will check it out 01:06:22 well from a very quick check it seems like he is defining an IF where the arguments are quoted which he then explicitly evaluates. 01:06:50 if that is so, I don't really see the which problem he is solving, I can do that in lisp as well 01:07:33 seems a bit messy too, but I don't have the time or inclination to get into newlisp at the moment. 01:07:35 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:13 <_3b> using the length of the value returned by true? to index a list of alternates to decide whicg to run makes my brain hurt 01:09:30 anyway seeing LFE wasn't explicitly mentioned in his poll i can't take him seriously :-) 01:10:10 <_3b> (at least i think that is what it does) 01:11:47 something like that i think, bit it is not crystal clear 01:12:01 anyway time for bed, work tomorros 01:12:05 tomorrow* 01:12:56 *rvirding* says goodnight and happy old-lisping 01:13:04 -!- rvirding [n=rvirding@h40n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 01:18:36 -!- happycodemonkey [n=carriear@147.226.246.120] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24:37 -!- yhara [n=yhara@raichu.netlab.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 01:27:41 -!- Axioplase_ [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has quit ["brb"] 01:30:49 -!- meingbg [n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:30:58 meingbg [n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 01:32:41 Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #lisp 01:36:57 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:46 -!- mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:39:16 -!- nivya [n=nivya@c-24-1-184-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:40:29 -!- jollygood [n=jollygoo@pool-71-164-35-120.chrlwv.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:41:30 jollygood [n=jollygoo@pool-71-164-35-120.chrlwv.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:46 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:42:45 dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:49:01 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:49:40 -!- meingbg [n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:49:50 meingbg [n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 01:49:53 -!- dysinger [n=tim@cpe-75-80-200-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [] 01:51:00 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:51:10 ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has joined #lisp 01:59:57 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:03:18 lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has joined #lisp 02:04:10 stathis_ [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 02:05:58 -!- stathis_ [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 02:07:37 -!- Beeet [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:07:51 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-238-145.dsl.look.ca] has quit [] 02:08:10 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-238-145.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 02:08:49 felix^^ [n=fgeller@dslb-088-074-206-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:23 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:51 dlowe [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:19 -!- meingbg [n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:22:02 -!- H4ns2 [n=Hans@p57BBB38D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:23:12 meingbg [n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 02:29:34 -!- Soulman [n=kvirc@138.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:32:56 -!- jollygood [n=jollygoo@pool-71-164-35-120.chrlwv.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:34:49 hefner pasted "more 8-bit hijinks" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74252 02:35:11 Beeet [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 02:36:15 hefner: Cool. 02:43:19 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:46:43 -!- roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has quit [] 02:50:54 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 02:59:37 scottsd [n=schwepps@adsl-75-20-207-182.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:00:26 is there any gotchas I should know about before forking with sb-posix:fork? or can I use it like its c equivalent? 03:00:59 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0B8E.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:08:30 nivya [n=nivya@c-24-1-184-2.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:09 you shouldn't have any threads running 03:12:36 you probably shouldn't have any children started with run-program running 03:13:24 Shouldn't have threads running because if the GC triggers, it tries to stop them, and they no longer exist? 03:13:43 Shouldn't have any children started with run-program running because... why? 03:14:19 for example. other reasons would include things like other threads being in a critical section 03:14:49 because the waiting for run-program kids is done with SIGCHLD 03:17:13 -!- elurin [n=user@85.99.69.218] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:17:26 Ugh. I see. process-wait. 03:21:27 -!- dlowe [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 03:26:09 fusss: herep 03:26:19 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:26:20 yeah 03:26:26 Amedon [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:26:33 fusss: http://paste.lisp.org/display/74253 It works :) With autoboxing and everything. 03:26:39 roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 03:28:23 can you remind me why you have a defbuzzword macro in a prototype based object system? are you modeling upper management? 03:29:32 fusss: well, I needed an alternative to defgeneric that was sort-of intuitive. Sheeple is already pretty cheeky, and I figured defining buzzwords, and the messages they get across to different targets, was a pretty neat way to think about it :P 03:29:43 i can see the two defenitions of synergize; cute. name-spaces by argument values 03:30:23 :D 03:30:37 it's slow as all hell, though. 03:30:44 but hey -- it works. That's step 1 :) 03:30:57 oh i see. so, how does sheeple compare to mccarthy's elephant, steele's fortress or moore's colorforth? all the great language designers have made even better languages on their latest attempts. 03:31:50 it sucks, of course, since I don't know what I'm doing :P 03:32:47 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:34:01 just keep at it and someone will write a rails-like web framework for it. 03:34:22 :( 03:34:53 I know it's not the next-big-thing. I was showing you becaues you're the one that pointed me to slate. I wrote this thing because I actually need it for what I'm doing. 03:34:57 :( 03:36:16 oh, sorry, i was being cheeky (sheeplish?) you can safely steal terminology from other systems but drastically change their meaning and behavior. np. 03:36:50 heh 03:37:42 everyone has a few little languages and object systems lying somewhere in ~. you should be fine, as long as you don't astroturf wikipedia and c2. 03:38:44 *fusss* raises a cold Yuengling to the crowd 03:39:00 back to writing. cheers! 03:39:09 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:44:41 By the way. Does anybody know the code for editing on the C2 wiki? 03:45:30 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.15] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 03:54:46 -!- anekos is now known as awayekos 03:58:50 gtasso [i=ca502eba@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b12bd412175bc871] has joined #lisp 03:59:01 jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 04:01:56 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-129-7.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:04:40 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:05:17 -!- gtasso [i=ca502eba@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b12bd412175bc871] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 04:05:20 -!- dmiles_afk [n=dmiles@c-71-197-210-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:06:27 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:08:57 dmiles_afk [n=dmiles@c-71-197-210-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:03 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:10:34 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:13:32 -!- REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has quit ["bye"] 04:14:01 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:14:27 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:17:14 -!- holycow [n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:18:25 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:18:47 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:21:05 jcowan [n=jcowan@cpe-74-68-154-18.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:21:27 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:21:51 Reiterating my question of last night: 04:22:22 If there were an implementation restriction requiring global consistency among all class precedence lists, how serious/crippling a restriction would it be? 04:22:41 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:23:04 How do you create an inconsistent CPL? 04:23:34 (This is some multiple-inheritance thing, isn't it?) 04:23:54 Not individually inconsistent, but collectively inconsistent. 04:24:20 that is, if one class has direct superclasses (a b), it's an error for another class to have (b a). 04:24:33 So yes, multiple inheritance. 04:24:40 it would be pretty annoying from a user-interface perspective 04:24:51 In that case, I'd say that there are a number of people who couldn't care less. 04:24:51 when having multiple mixins 04:25:13 nyef: Good. I wonder if there are people who do care, though. 04:25:14 you'd need to remember to mix them in in the same order everywhere 04:25:17 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:25:54 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:26:52 even though for "pure" mixins you wouldn't really expect the order to matter 04:26:56 moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has joined #lisp 04:27:27 jsnell: How about an option to assume the first order is the right order throughout, then? 04:27:44 is there somewhere an opensource (gpl, bsd, etc) tool in CL that gives a parse tree for an English sentence? 04:27:48 That possibly leads to silent failure when the first order -isn't- the right one. 04:28:06 So it does, but so does getting the order wrong without the restriction. 04:28:11 or maybe a warning 04:28:31 -!- moocow [n=new@burnaby.axiomnetworking.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:28:46 Personally, order-dependency strikes me as bad design, but there may be people who find it essential, and that's what I'm trying to probe. 04:29:12 After all, order-dependency going up the DAG is not considered bad design, only across the DAG. 04:29:27 Axioplase: There are undoubtedly a pile of them. I have a vague memory of seeing one in PAIP, although it could easily have been in SICP instead... Or even "Computer Science, Logo Style", which would make it somewhat non-lisp... 04:29:45 nyef: there's one in PAIP right 04:30:25 But, essentially, it's not a very hard problem to do a bad or "okay" job of. 04:31:10 The advantage to me of the global ordering is that I can at compile time decide the order of methods in a generic function for good and all. 04:31:27 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:31:34 Umm... What? 04:31:44 he's not implementing CL 04:31:56 (how many times do we need to go through this discussion? :-) 04:31:58 Yes, sorry, should have given stddisclaimer.ISLisp 04:32:00 Okay, fair enough. 04:32:22 Until I get it right or I'm invited to shut up, I suppose, jsnell. :-) 04:34:10 I wonder if you could make it an error to allow multiple different orderings iff the different orders are actually equivalent 04:35:37 -!- Beeet [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:35:41 I'm good with that, but what is the operational definition of "equivalent" here? 04:35:44 Right, I'm gone. Untill Tuesday, I think. 04:35:48 -!- nyef [n=nyef@pool-70-20-58-237.man.east.verizon.net] has quit ["G'night all."] 04:38:12 something like: for each gf, and any arguments, the applicable methods must be the same for all of the orderings implied by the class definitions in the program 04:38:29 cadsmack [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:38:29 -!- Amedon is now known as ace4016 04:38:59 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 04:40:48 -!- cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]"] 04:40:50 I hope there's a better way to discover that than brute force 04:45:22 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:45:43 ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:49:00 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:23 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:00 -!- l_n [n=shawn@tuxhacker/lordnothing] has quit ["sleep"] 04:59:16 -!- Lone_Wanderer [n=chatzill@ip98-166-59-233.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]"] 05:02:20 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:02:59 *sigh*, postfix with a handful virtual hosts is proving to be a pain 05:04:26 wrong window, sorry 05:05:21 rottcodd [n=user@ppp59-167-42-204.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:52 -!- cavelife^ [n=cavelife@211.201.172.41] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:07:38 me-so-stupid_ [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has joined #lisp 05:08:25 You can split its configuration file 05:08:49 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 05:09:56 -!- me-so-stupid_ [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit [Client Quit] 05:10:17 ground7 [n=ground7@unaffiliated/ground7] has joined #lisp 05:10:51 -!- dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [] 05:12:00 -!- ground7 [n=ground7@unaffiliated/ground7] has quit [Client Quit] 05:12:46 cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #lisp 05:12:50 -!- cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has quit [Client Quit] 05:13:04 cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #lisp 05:14:46 -!- roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has quit [] 05:15:10 diog3n3s [n=diog3n3s@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:49 z0d: my setup has about 10 config files, each of which has to be compiled to a hash format with postmap and the whole system has to be restarted and an eye kept on maillog. 05:17:12 i have done it a hundred times before. probably should'nt have drank before my admin project :-S 05:17:29 postmap is ok, but why do you restart postfix? 05:18:09 because the the "throttling" messages stop postfix dead on its tracks. a few consecutive errors and the system is halted. 05:19:42 Brucio-8 [n=Brucio-8@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:19:44 aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:19:55 -!- segv [n=mb@p4FC1EC29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:20:29 segv [n=mb@p4FC1C86C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:07 -!- Brucio-8 is now known as r3gis 05:22:25 all this crap to get a contactus form working. gonna append messages to a file and wait til tomorrow. cheers! 05:24:22 -!- r3gis [n=Brucio-8@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:24:32 -!- cheatcountry [n=cheatcou@cpe-72-177-217-220.satx.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 05:30:54 Good morning. 05:32:46 hey beach :-) 05:33:17 holycow [n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #lisp 05:33:45 -!- cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:35:03 fusss: How's your blog engine going? 05:35:26 z0d: good actually 05:35:30 it's called blogfu 05:35:45 clean up for clikification RSN 05:36:15 i'm actually a web developer now, hard to believe 05:37:23 reusing stuff from some other projects for eye cands. i might have gone too deep into fancy web UIs, but YUI makes that easy 05:38:15 mornin' beach :) 05:38:22 at some point i'm gonna realize i'm doing too much and stop, but right now i have transparent story-bodies you can drag and drop around :-) 05:38:40 fusss: that sounds exciting. :P 05:38:48 a fully js fisheye menu and other stuff 05:41:26 Hello beach 05:42:21 z0d: am i missing something regarding the "engine" part of "blog engine"? 05:42:30 it's a CMS 05:42:36 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.226.125] has joined #lisp 05:42:53 fusss: Are you open sourcing the CMS? It sounds like an awesome project. 05:43:06 fusss: I didn't know you are actually writing a CMS. 05:43:18 you have an admin area where you can post stories, and a public area where you can view a list of the latest N stories and you have floating dialog boxes with search, tags, "recent" and other stuff 05:43:31 i didn't know either, but it IS a cms 05:44:49 you authenticate yourself to the system as "author" and you get to submit new stories. non-authenticated users can view the main page and get links to the recent stories. all the story templating is basic CSS which you can change on your own. just a few handful divs that you need to be aware of. 05:45:17 minion: logs 05:45:18 logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 05:45:52 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:46:11 it's all straightforward http and sql database backend. when I hear "engine", it conjures up images of a batch compiler of sorts. am i missing something? 05:47:50 Brucio-8 [n=Brucio-8@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:47:52 cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #lisp 05:48:55 you can also fetch stories by ID or by search-engine friendly URL. the URL is basically (substitute-if #\- #'bad-url-char (post-parameter "title")) 05:49:53 -!- workthrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:52:17 -!- lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:52:44 /article/id/0 or /article/long-article-name are equivalent urls to the same article iff posts.article == long-article-name WHEN posts.id=0 05:55:35 relevant but off-topic: http://rafb.net/p/zig6EC56.html 05:57:41 debugger invoked on a UNBOUND-VARIABLE: The variable ERR is unbound. 05:58:16 and don't you call it a "good lil repl" 05:58:39 sbcl: your least favorite prison inmate 05:59:37 fusss: :D 06:00:04 mama say know you out! 06:00:17 fusss: Wanna be my repl? 06:00:38 s/know/knock/ (incf (props *LL*)) 06:01:14 Quadrescence: have you tried newLisp? 06:01:25 fusss: No. I have looked at it some. 06:01:56 Some little things bug me. Like how a string can be treated as its own accessor. 06:01:56 Isn't newLisp an all-dynamic Lisp? 06:02:08 jcowan: a joke, really 06:02:35 Just wait, I have a lisp in design, and it will be better than anything you've ever seen. 06:03:06 I have a lisp in implementation, and it will be more tightly constrained than anything you've ever seen. 06:03:27 jcowan: But I really do have a lisp in design. 06:03:30 :o 06:03:50 hurt me, hurt me 06:03:58 I really do etc. 06:04:05 -!- S11001001 [n=sirian@74-137-146-187.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:04:05 :) 06:04:22 I could show you the beginning of a book/documentation I'm writing alongside its design and implementation. 06:04:49 I could show you the inside of my head, but you wouldn't learn much. 06:05:04 But it doesn't contain anything any lisper doesn't already know. 06:05:38 can i register a handler globally, or can i only bind it for a certain form? 06:06:16 handlers have a dynamic extent and global scope, if that's what you're asking 06:06:35 sorry, thread-local scope 06:07:03 nice for mac http://www.newartisans.com/blog/projects/ready-lisp.html 06:07:57 jsnell: sorry, i'm still not sure whether i get the idea of dynamic context, but does that mean that even after a (handler-bind ((h1 ...)) ...) was evaluated, h1 is registered? 06:09:31 I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, either :-) think of binding a handler working like binding a special variable 06:10:30 the special variable will have that binding until you exit the form that bound it 06:11:02 and the binding will be visible everywhere, not just in lexically enclosed forms 06:11:19 jsnell: well that is lexical binding, isn't it? 06:11:28 No. 06:11:33 It's dynamic binding. 06:11:37 rread [n=rread@c-98-234-51-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:12:01 right, if it was a lexical binding it would be pretty silly of me to ask you to think of it like a special variable, wouldn't it :-) 06:12:17 :) 06:12:34 Am I right to think that if the handler (or anything it calls) raises an exception, it's the next handler on the handler stack that handles it? 06:13:17 jcowan: in CL we don't "raise exceptions" but we "signal conditions". 06:13:23 jcowan: yes, i believe so. i'm just not sure how to populate the stack 06:13:57 beach: Yes, I'm aware of the distinction. 06:14:37 -!- cadsmack [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:14:46 mh but so if i understand this correctly, then i can only bind a handler for the evaluation of a form, is that correct? (i can't to something similar to defvar ?) 06:15:54 what are you really trying to do? 06:17:02 jsnell: trying to write a repl, and provide a means for a user to register a handler for a certain condition for the remainder of her using the repl 06:17:16 (the answer to your question is no, you can't portably register a global handler) 06:17:37 for writing a repl I don't see why you'd need a global handler 06:17:57 felix^^, run your REPL with a handler that calls some hook that can be set from within the REPL. 06:17:58 your repl is the thing doing the evaluation 06:18:16 so you can bind whatever you want around the evaluation 06:18:45 (it seems like a weird option for a repl to have) 06:19:09 mh so have a global flag and have the handler kick in based on the flag? 06:19:27 g'day #lisp 06:19:33 -!- schmx is now known as schme 06:21:19 hello schme 06:21:41 hey schme 06:23:02 -!- Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-141-157-238-161.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is 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or characters in your slots, the equality check would still be guaranteed to work across different CL implementations, only it could give different results... 08:51:59 But EQ always works. 08:52:48 Yep, that's what I was looking for. Thanks. 08:53:00 *vy* will read that kent/PS/EQUAL.html 08:53:45 perhaps EQL is a better choice, in lack of further information 08:54:47 eevar2 [n=jalla@56.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 08:59:14 -!- _mathrick is now known as workthrick 08:59:23 It's best to think of EQL as being the basic identity predicate, with EQ as an optimized form unsuitable for numbers and characters, imho. 09:05:01 cofounder [n=cofounde@117.193.197.21] has joined #lisp 09:17:20 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 09:17:42 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:18:11 -!- rottcodd [n=user@ppp59-167-42-204.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 09:18:39 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 09:19:01 me-so-stupid_ [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has joined #lisp 09:19:03 -!- me-so-stupid [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:20:48 cavelife [n=cavelife@121.170.210.115] has joined #lisp 09:22:21 -!- cavelife^ [n=cavelife@211.201.172.41] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:28:42 -!- mgr [n=mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:31:02 -!- MrSpec is now known as spec[afk] 09:31:15 elurin [n=user@85.99.66.92] has joined #lisp 09:35:00 H4ns [n=Hans@p57BBA3FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:37:02 -!- happycodemonkey_ [n=carriear@147.226.246.120] has quit ["He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. 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(I could do it with vector-push-extend) 10:51:09 matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has joined #lisp 10:51:20 what is "start-size"? 10:51:26 the start size of your array 10:51:32 tum tum tum :p 10:51:50 if I know I have 10 elements I want to store 10:52:01 PissedNumlock: are you talking about the size of the array or about the fill pointer? 10:52:08 oh, that, (make-array '(10)) 10:52:11 cofounder [n=cofounde@117.193.197.21] has joined #lisp 10:52:48 oh right, I thought you could only give the nr of dimensions 10:52:49 thx 10:53:43 -!- cofounder [n=cofounde@117.193.197.21] has quit [Client Quit] 10:55:50 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit [] 10:56:05 tic: did it happen? 10:57:19 mgr [n=mgr@psychonaut.psychlotron.de] has joined #lisp 10:58:32 beach, I don't know! 10:59:00 beach, I was just starting up Emacs and was thinking about the ncurses climacs backend. 10:59:06 (non-existing as of yet·.) 11:02:05 madnificent [n=user@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 11:02:14 is there a way to reuse created thread in sbcl? 11:03:25 -!- l_a_m [n=lam@194.51.71.190] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:04:39 -!- me-so-stupid [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:04:53 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:05:47 Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has joined #lisp 11:09:19 me-so-stupid [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has joined #lisp 11:09:45 -!- awayekos is now known as anekos 11:12:20 s0787336 [n=s0787336@perrin.inf.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:16:17 ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 11:18:08 -!- s0787336 [n=s0787336@perrin.inf.ed.ac.uk] has left #lisp 11:18:10 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 11:19:57 s0787336 [n=chatzill@perrin.inf.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:20:25 hi all 11:21:34 -!- bob_f [n=bob_f@mail.phgroup.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:21:40 I'm new here and to Lisp in general.. 11:21:56 bob_f [n=bob_f@83.217.124.34] has joined #lisp 11:21:58 does anyone know if it possible to generate native object code (for Linux) with SBCL? 11:22:24 <_3b> sbcl generates native code unless you tell it not to 11:22:26 s0787336: sbcl always generates native object code 11:22:39 <_3b> you can't make .o files you could link with C if that is what you mean though 11:22:41 the .fasl files? 11:22:42 s0787336: it does not compile to .o files, though 11:22:48 _3b: ok, you continue :) 11:22:50 ah..ok 11:22:59 I was wondering if you could make .o files 11:23:17 does any free Lisp do that? 11:23:23 s0787336: ecl does that. 11:23:40 cool, I'll look into that one then 11:24:26 also, I noticed "Lush"...and was very impressed 11:24:42 it isn't quite common lisp though 11:24:46 me-so-stupid_ [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has joined #lisp 11:25:51 how efficient is ECL? What do people here think of it? 11:26:27 depends on your problem 11:26:52 I'm just learning right now...so it probably doesn't matter 11:27:02 I did a genetic algorithm in CLISP for learning.. 11:27:06 and it was very slow 11:27:19 why do you need creating object files for learning? 11:27:35 I'm just interested in what is possible.. 11:27:43 There was also a Common Lisp implementation called Eclipse that compiled to C, and that you could use to easily link to C/C++ programs and invoke Lisp functions from C, and C functions from Lisp. 11:28:09 nice...Lush allows inline C code too 11:28:28 though again, not quite CL 11:28:32 The company ceased developing it, though. Might make sense to ask them about releasing the source code as Open Source. 11:28:44 ECL can allows that, too. 11:28:48 silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:18 well, I'm a student at uni and I hope to use CL where suitable... 11:29:20 s0787336: ecl can probably produce faster code than clisp in most cases 11:29:27 _me-so-stupid [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has joined #lisp 11:29:43 -!- me-so-stupid_ [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:29:45 though in practice it's likely that it was slow more because of the way it was written than the compiler 11:29:55 TimoT [n=tt@dhcp-pr-20.tml.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 11:30:00 true, that comes with experience I guess 11:30:33 I remember my other question now, from the other functional languages I've been learning I miss pattern matching... 11:30:40 any good libraries for that? 11:31:11 http://www.cliki.net/pattern%20matching 11:31:36 ah, ML style pattern matching..just what I want! 11:31:38 thanks! 11:32:31 quick sbcl question: is there a difference between simple and non-simple arrays when passing to foreign functions? 11:34:31 anyway, thanks for the pointers. Still much to learn. 11:34:35 farewell! 11:34:42 -!- s0787336 [n=chatzill@perrin.inf.ed.ac.uk] has left #lisp 11:37:08 -!- dv_ [n=dv@85-127-114-35.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:38:12 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["night"] 11:38:36 to elaborate: does with-array-data work as such to compute the data address and does with-pinned-objects lock the array data area in place even for displaced arrays 11:41:46 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 11:41:48 swilde [n=user@xdslcd162.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:41:58 *: hi 11:42:45 -!- heyman [i=bite@gateway/tor/x-81141d9d9a774d44] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:42:46 I wonder if there are any implementations of ipv6 support for sbcl or if there are any plans to add ipv6 support to sb-bsd-sockets. 11:42:50 -!- me-so-stupid [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:43:00 Any insights? 11:43:43 it's on a wishlist: http://www.cliki.net/IPv6 11:44:29 ayrnieu: well, the wiki page is not really overwhelmingly verbose... ;-) 11:44:46 The intersection of IPv6 users and SBCL users is virtually non-existent, I think. <-: 11:44:58 untrue 11:45:01 it may only be me 11:45:03 however 11:45:09 please add me 11:45:12 (oh wait, you said virtually) 11:45:12 ;-) 11:45:43 what would you do with it if you had it? 11:46:07 So that's 2 out of 6 billion? <-: 11:46:13 lol 11:46:18 rsynnott: tinker, I guess :) 11:46:31 rsynnott: There are all kinds of interesting server applications for CL (sbcl) which would be nice to have IPv6 ready 11:46:45 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:46:53 -!- envi_home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:47:00 for the switchover in 2050, or whatever :) 11:47:03 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 11:47:19 rsynnott: actually my private website is based on hunchentoot and IPv6 enabled but only due to the apache proxy... 11:47:25 i think iolib has some ipv6 stuff 11:47:53 swilde: ah, yes, but you don't NEED it :) 11:48:01 i think it would be not so hard to add ipv6 support to sbcl 11:48:07 (and, yep, in most cases proxying of some sort can be used) 11:48:23 but but it's COOL 11:48:27 rsynnott: well, don't think anybody _needs_ internet at all ;-) 11:48:28 (heh) 11:48:59 rsynnott: seriously, for servers proxys are a solution (in some cases) bus as for clients real ipv6 support would be very nice... 11:49:09 (also, IME addition of ipv6 support very often slightly breaks ipv4 11:50:00 early MacOS 10.4 tended to do silly things if a dns entry for a server indicated that it had an ipv6 address, for instnace 11:50:00 -!- felix^^ [n=fgeller@dslb-088-074-206-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:50:12 felix^^ [n=fgeller@dslb-088-074-206-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:14 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@78.52.232.196] has quit [] 11:51:45 rsynnott: bad implementations are not really an argument against an good technology :) 11:51:45 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:53:41 technology without implementation is nothing 11:54:12 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 11:54:13 stassats: there _are_ good and reliable IPv6 implementations 11:54:59 swilde: tell that people who are using bad and unreliable implementations 11:55:07 lnostdal: thanks I'll have a look at iolib 11:55:25 stassats: that's what I'm doing ;-) 11:58:18 stassats: seriously, IPv6 is the right thing to do as it (re)enables real point to point networking for everybody and there are good free implementations. If support in your OS is broken you should send a bug report to the vendor and don't blame ipv6. 11:59:13 swilde: lisp is the right thing too, now try to sell it everyone 11:59:22 I wonder what the government will say about IPv6. It has buil-in encryption, so ... 11:59:27 athos [n=philipp@84.184.113.25] has joined #lisp 11:59:43 stassats: no I'll keep the best parts for me. ;-) 12:02:09 so! who else is going to the Boston Lisp conference today? 12:02:13 good morning all 12:02:14 I am! 12:02:22 ianmcorvidae: cool :) 12:02:27 (for the first time, hence the excited exclamation-point :P) 12:02:38 ianmcorvidae: i've just about finished up getting my presentation ready 12:02:42 awesome 12:02:53 ianmcorvidae: i'll run through it at a friends' house in the afternoon, then it's off to cambridge 12:03:01 conference? 12:03:07 lispm: boston-lisp.orgf 12:03:09 well, boston lisp meeting 12:03:09 .org 12:03:16 ah 12:03:17 oh. i thought it was a conference? 12:03:17 not a conference per se but, uh, sort of 12:03:19 Lisp is often the wrong thing. It offers too much freedom. 12:03:37 Sometimes a straightjacket is the better choice. 12:04:14 I guess it's sort of a mini-conference; I'm not entirely sure having never been there before 12:04:46 the day i went there were perhaps 30 or 40 people 12:04:53 but this was one of the early ones last year 12:05:02 i don't know what the turnout will be 12:05:11 *shrug* you probably have a better idea than I do 12:05:29 how far are you driving 12:05:32 I know of four people that will be there: me, the two others I'm going with, and you 12:05:35 from Amherst 12:05:42 for me it's an hour, i'm near worcester 12:05:46 ah 12:05:55 Zhivago: write it in XYZ and call it with the FFI ;-) 12:05:59 lnostdal: on a quick glance iolib looks promising indeed -- thanks! 12:06:55 lispm: Well, the best argument that I've heard for java is that it allows people to cooperate more easily since you can't do anything interesting with the language. 12:07:20 Zhivago: there is definitely some truth to it 12:07:47 Zhivago: That's true. It's important in a corporate environment. You don't have too much clever people, but you have lots of them. 12:08:02 They're easily replacable 12:08:57 Zhivago: Common Lisp is dangerous for two classes of people: 12:09:11 a) the stupid who are thinking they are clever 12:09:19 b) the evil genius 12:09:42 why the latter? 12:09:48 lispm: Do you know whether the Zeta Lisp manuals are on-line somewhere? 12:10:32 TimoT: the evil genius will render Common Lisp into its caricature using the built-in mechanisms 12:11:04 and he/she will find devilish ways to do that 12:11:18 like implementing Newlisp on top of CL ;-) 12:11:50 z0d: http://common-lisp.net/project/bknr/static/lmman/frontpage.html 12:12:15 joachim1 [n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 12:12:16 you can search for it, there are also PDF versions 12:12:52 z0d: are you writing software in Zetalisp? ;-) 12:12:54 lispm: Thank you 12:12:58 oh, THAT cambridge 12:13:11 lispm: No, I don't have such a beast. I'm just curious 12:13:13 rsynnott: haha, yeah 12:13:16 *rsynnott* finds the multiple university-containing cambridges quite confusing 12:13:25 sohum [n=sohum@114.73.180.98] has joined #lisp 12:13:35 lispm: ewh (newlisp on cl) 12:13:37 how do I ensure a list has non-repeated items? 12:13:45 sohum: remove-duplicates 12:13:49 clhs remove-duplicates 12:13:49 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rm_dup.htm 12:13:53 ahha 12:13:55 thankee 12:14:08 lispm: Is there a relation between Zeta Lisp and Symbolics Common Lisp? 12:14:17 z0d: use the CADR emulator 12:14:54 z0d: yes, Symbolics Common Lisp is some kind of Common Lisp with ZetaLisp features added 12:15:31 z0d: but generally you can use ZetaLisp directly from Symbolics CL anyway, they live in one environment 12:15:39 life 12:16:22 live 12:16:38 rsynnott: not only that, there is another Worcester in England, besides the one I was mentioning that is near OUR Cambridge :) 12:17:03 silly pilgrims naming all their cities after English ones 12:17:09 -!- Lou_ [n=lat@125.162.205.66] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:17:39 and towns 12:17:52 dto: ah, didn't know that there was a non-England Worcester 12:18:02 (I wasn't distinguishing, heh) 12:18:43 live 12:20:33 rsynnott: it's the 2nd largest city in New England, and also where i was born and got my degree and all that :) 12:20:44 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-129-7.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 12:20:45 not that it's any glamourous place 12:21:11 it has its own non-rhotic regional accent distinct from that of boston 12:22:14 which you will not hear on the video, i have none of it. 12:23:01 ooh, it has an impressively terrible webste: http://www.ci.worcester.ma.us/ 12:23:48 haha! 12:23:53 wow we have a train 12:24:37 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:24:45 the wikipedia page is nicer 12:24:49 Cronos [n=a@5ad1b2a6.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 12:25:15 there's a sign 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[n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-97-133.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:28:50 don't pass it to eval in the first place 13:29:42 but i would like to modify the behavior of eval 13:29:57 what for? 13:30:20 change the evaluation of function calls 13:30:53 felix^^: in what way? 13:30:54 again, what for? 13:31:01 changing the behaviour of eval wouldn't affect most function calls in your program at all 13:31:01 -!- schmx [n=schme@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:31:39 no sane reason i guess simply trying to wrap some of the calls to imitate currying 13:31:51 felix^^: Write your own evaluator 13:31:53 since nothing says that the evaluation of your program is actually done using EVAL 13:32:08 Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-4-206.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:32:36 swilde: that is what i did reusing eval where possible 13:32:55 was curious whether i could modify the behavior of eval itself though 13:32:59 guess not? 13:33:09 you can't, and even if you could, it wouldn't help you 13:34:11 jsnell: so a standard repl is not necessarily using eval? 13:35:28 does clhs specify repl? 13:35:30 even it it were, that *still* wouldn't help you. nothing says that eval itself is implemented using eval 13:36:07 for example it's quite reasonable to implement eval by compiling the whole form to native code, and then executing that code 13:36:58 and in such a case obviously eval won't be recursively called on the subforms -> your hooks would be useless 13:37:52 felix^^: anyway I wonder why you want to fiddle with eval to implement currying? 13:37:52 jsnell: but if i would modify the expression before eval gets to compile it then the compiled form would reflect my changes 13:38:16 swilde: playing with the condition system :) 13:39:02 malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbbf18a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 13:39:05 modify it before eval (eval (modify expr)) 13:40:22 stassats: right but that only works if i can "replace" eval with my eval if i want to modify the behavior of a repl right? 13:40:38 roll your own repl 13:40:41 I thought you were writing your own repl 13:40:49 if you want to modify somebody elses repl, you're out of luck 13:41:23 yes i got it working for my own repl but am now wondering if there is a way to push those changes into the implementations repl 13:41:36 jsnell: guess so :) 13:41:42 and repl is not the only place which interact with code 13:43:56 -!- LostMonarch [n=roby@host240-201-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:44:28 just one more question then: given a function name can i find out how many arguments the function expects? 13:44:41 it really sounds like you're trying to solve the wrong problem here 13:44:46 -!- lispm [n=joswig@g224121073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:44:51 -!- beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-8-11.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:45:07 felix^^: not reliably 13:45:40 jsnell: why do you think so? 13:45:53 what is the unreliable way? 13:46:20 clhs function-lambda-expression 13:46:20 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fn_lam.htm 13:46:25 you've asked a series of increasingly bizarre questions, which is a good indication that you're working against the grain of the language 13:47:51 mh well i guess so 13:47:54 you've decided that doing X is the right way to solve your problem, and to do X you need to do Y, and to do Y you need to do Z 13:47:55 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 13:48:26 you should figure out a better way of doinf X than trying to figure out a plan d for doing Z 13:48:54 so currying is not the problem it is just that i would like to play with restarts 13:49:07 i know that there are more sensible ways to implement currying if needed 13:49:10 that's not X 13:49:30 surely the problem you're trying to solve is not "play with restarts"? 13:49:31 -!- sellout 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[n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:39:44 jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has joined #lisp 14:40:14 Lou_ [n=lat@125.162.205.66] has joined #lisp 14:40:23 <_8david> That's probably a fair summary of the state of things in HEAD. 14:40:42 oh 14:41:02 I was hoping you had only forgotten to push the latest changes :D 14:41:19 <_8david> I recommend checking out ce9fe219, which is the last version free of the parse-docstrings refactoring. 14:44:34 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-151-10.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:45:12 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:45:32 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:45:57 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-151-10.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:47:38 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-254-117.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 14:48:41 kroger 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MORE CODE will hopefully follow in the next few weeks. 14:49:45 -!- kroger [n=user@66.134.142.83] has quit [Client Quit] 14:49:57 kroger [n=user@66.134.142.83] has joined #lisp 14:50:05 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:50:27 -!- arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit ["leaving"] 14:50:33 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 14:50:47 arbscht [n=arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 14:53:43 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 14:54:25 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 14:59:52 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.108.6] has joined #lisp 14:59:55 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.108.6] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:59:57 is there a test suite I can use to benchmark my skiplist library ? :D 15:00:09 (pushnew * 'with) 15:00:25 no wait 15:00:41 (pushnew (last **) 'with) 15:03:40 that doesn't make sense :( 15:04:39 (push 'with (cdr (last ***))) 15:04:42 there! 15:05:53 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has left #lisp 15:05:54 -!- flazz [n=franco@qubes.org] has left #lisp 15:05:56 flazz [n=franco@qubes.org] has joined #lisp 15:06:08 -!- TimoT [n=tt@dhcp-pr-20.tml.hut.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:06:34 drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 15:07:08 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:10 -!- l_a_m [n=lam@194.51.71.190] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:08:25 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09:06 l_a_m [n=lam@194.51.71.190] has joined #lisp 15:09:35 -!- diog3n3s [n=diog3n3s@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:09:35 -!- Brucio-8 [n=Brucio-8@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:09:44 wormilwork [n=Miranda@70.155.56.58] has joined #lisp 15:10:40 pingpongpat [n=patman@220-245-147-30.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 15:10:43 drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 15:11:02 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:11:14 anyone know of a link where i can download the "practical common lisp" book in PDF format? i'm not having any luck tracking one down 15:11:32 -!- athos [n=philipp@84.184.113.25] has quit ["leaving"] 15:12:23 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-254-117.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [] 15:12:33 pingpongpat: it is not available as freely downloadable pdf. 15:12:56 pingpongpat: the idea being "either read it for free on gigamonkeys.com/book/ or buy the paper version" 15:12:58 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:29 it was available for free on apress.com 15:13:57 so my guess is if you search you'll find it 15:14:28 xristos: i think peter seibel objected to that. 15:14:46 oddly enough, the opposite is the case for On Lisp 15:14:54 pingpongpat: print to PDF? 15:15:25 pingpongpat: you can buy it here: http://apress.com/book/view/1590592395 15:15:37 (even the pdf version, as it seems) 15:17:31 ksergio [n=sgarcia@mail.nuecho.com] has joined #lisp 15:17:51 -!- Zephtar [n=srusek@d57-112.icpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:17:55 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:18:20 why does sbcl take 524MB memory right after startup? 15:18:31 Virtual memory. 15:18:42 roconnor [n=roconnor@206-248-135-96.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 15:18:47 closure cl takes 8GB on my laptop ;) 15:19:48 so it shouldn't be a problem, right? 15:19:57 nope, it's not 15:19:59 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087C4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:04 meingbg you can tune the real memory limit with --dynamic-space-size 15:20:04 it's just a virtual memory allocation 15:20:32 xristos: thx 15:23:09 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:24:01 roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 15:25:33 -!- cmo-0 [n=cmo-0@auh-b126564.alshamil.net.ae] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:25:38 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@195.37-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:26:06 -!- workthrick [n=mathrick@0x55529153.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:27:03 -!- drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:27:08 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 15:30:08 In SBCL git repository, (after doing a "git pull; git checkout sbcl.1.0.24") I compile the sources and when try to sbcl, it falls down into LDB complaining that "can't load .core for different runtime, sorry". Any ideas? 15:30:25 brown [n=user@72.14.228.89] has joined #lisp 15:31:00 -!- brown is now known as Guest96007 15:32:08 Fulax [n=cyprien@pdpc/supporter/student/cnicolas] has joined #lisp 15:34:56 did you install it after building? 15:34:58 Zephtar [n=srusek@d57-112.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:35:28 avdi [n=avdi@216.230.102.194] has joined #lisp 15:36:30 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-254-117.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:37:03 You mean "sh install.sh"? Yep, I did, did into ~/usr. 15:37:22 Moreover, typing "backtrace" in the LDB triggers a segmentation fault. 15:37:43 sounds like it's looking for the core file from /usr/local/, and finding one from some other version of sbcl 15:38:32 set SBCL_HOME, pass --core, or change the default sbcl home directory before building 15:39:03 You're right. It works with "~/usr/sbcl --core ~/usr/lib/sbcl/sbcl.core". 15:39:20 jsnell: Thanks so much. 15:39:31 <_8david> is there still consensus against core file lookup relative to argv[0]? 15:39:47 foom [n=jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 15:40:50 loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has joined #lisp 15:40:56 mrSpec [n=noOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 15:42:04 <_8david> (Or was there never such consensus in the first place, apart from "but I only start sbcl from src/runtime anyway" and "I got my own wrapper scripts"?) 15:42:14 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 15:45:10 willb [n=wibenton@wireless93.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 15:47:44 dabd [n=dabd@mouse.inesc-id.pt] has joined #lisp 15:47:47 at this point I'm willing to let anybody do anything the want to the whole startup mechanism 15:50:17 -!- dto [n=user@68-187-211-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:52:06 deximer [n=deximer@168.203.117.66] has joined #lisp 15:52:49 H4ns2 [n=hans@p57A0FE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:50 -!- karvus [n=thomas@193.213.35.168] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:53:52 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #lisp 15:54:00 rread [n=rread@c-98-234-51-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:46 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:55:17 qeek_ [n=jez@77-103-66-203.cable.ubr20.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:55:38 -!- qeek_ [n=jez@77-103-66-203.cable.ubr20.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #lisp 15:57:03 anyone has a cheneygc machine for me test on? 15:57:18 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0E1EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:57:48 Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has joined #lisp 15:58:38 -!- eevar2 [n=jalla@56.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:00:53 -!- ginkgo [n=user@pc130.inflab.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:01:09 demmeln [i=demmeln@atradig111.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #lisp 16:01:51 *attila_lendvai* is +1 argv[0] 16:05:44 ken-p [n=unknown@84.92.70.37] has joined #lisp 16:06:05 nathanael [n=nathanae@1.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #lisp 16:09:17 aundro [n=aundro@75.176-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 16:09:22 -!- nathanael [n=nathanae@1.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:10:31 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-51-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:10:33 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:34 rread [n=rread@c-98-234-51-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:03 with get-universal-time, is the number returned always bigger if the timestamps older? 16:11:49 kzar: no. it can be equal and, depending on the implentation, it can also go backwards if the system time is adjusted backwards. 16:12:17 also, its use is not recommended close to rotating gravitational singularities 16:13:31 H4ns: So can I sort timestamps by just using > or is it more complex? (I want to sort documents by their timestamps so I can display the newest ones first) 16:14:00 Ogedei [n=user@78.52.233.253] has joined #lisp 16:14:22 -!- kroger [n=user@66.134.142.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:14:52 kzar: i can't see how that relates to your previous question, but yes, you can sort timestamps using > as a comparison function. 16:15:09 H4ns: Sorry I think I worded it badly as usual 16:18:52 matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:01 *meingbg* just mapped the parens to the home row 16:19:02 When I start the SBCL from command line (using "~/usr/bin/sbcl --core ~/usr/lib/sbcl/sbcl.core" command) it works without a problem, but I try the same using SLIME, SBCL complains that "Don't know how to REQUIRE ASDF" refering to the "(require 'asdf)" line in ~/.sbclrc file. Any ideas about what might be the problem? 16:19:34 set SBCL_HOME 16:20:13 -!- ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:20:32 Umm... That appears to be the problem. I already have it my slime-lisp-implementations, but it was lacking in the command line form. 16:21:25 a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has joined #lisp 16:21:26 My directories including .sbclrc and sbcl.core are different, how should I configure my SBCL_HOME? 16:21:52 drdo```` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:22:01 .sbclrc is not related to SBCL_HOME 16:22:19 -!- shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:22:28 stassats: "man sbcl" tells that "This variable controls where files like "sbclrc", "sbcl.core", and the add-on "contrib" systems are searched for. ..." 16:22:37 vy: see the dot? 16:22:47 Hrm.. You're right. 16:23:04 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit ["Somebody rebooted me"] 16:28:54 Today I asked so many stupid questions. Am I starting to forget what I actually didn't know? 16:30:10 ffx` [n=ffx@60-241-74-240.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 16:30:21 -!- swilde [n=user@xdslcd162.osnanet.de] has quit ["PLOPP"] 16:33:53 aundro_ [n=aundro@162.188-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 16:33:57 milanj [n=milan@212.200.217.166] has joined #lisp 16:35:37 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:35:52 Is there a way to do this in cl? [1. encode string and declare it as a encoded string type (maybe define a new time). 2. check if a string is declared as a encoded string type.] I thought deftype isn't the one because it just does type checking all the time. 16:37:11 (defclass encoded-string-type () (...)) 16:37:13 you can make your own class and check it 16:38:00 drdo````` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:38:22 -!- drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:38:32 beach: stassats: oh, I see. Thanks! 16:38:36 -!- a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:39:31 Cronos [n=a@5acc7266.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 16:40:06 rpg_ [n=rpg@75.146.46.193] has joined #lisp 16:40:35 -!- rpg_ is now known as rpg 16:40:58 -!- hyperboreean [n=none@unaffiliated/hyperboreean] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 16:43:06 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["..."] 16:43:06 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@162.188-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:43:09 aundro_ [n=aundro@94.112-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 16:44:12 weasel_______ [n=weasel@pD957D9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:31 hello, how do i get the first n element of a list returned ? 16:44:45 I am a fan of subseq. 16:44:46 weasel_______: subseq 16:44:51 clhs butlast 16:44:51 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_butlas.htm 16:45:47 thx 16:45:49 myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 16:47:30 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:50:30 kiuma [n=kiuma@83.103.127.195] has joined #lisp 16:50:51 -!- aundro [n=aundro@75.176-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:52:10 -!- deximer [n=deximer@168.203.117.66] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:52:41 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:42 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:54:24 -!- drdo```` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:56:08 LostMonarch [n=roby@host240-201-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:56:38 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:58:21 -!- loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:59:04 -!- dabd [n=dabd@mouse.inesc-id.pt] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 17:01:50 -!- kzar [n=kzar@hardwick.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:02:26 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:02:42 kzar [n=kzar@hardwick.demon.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:02:46 Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #lisp 17:03:33 *kzar* just pressed C-M backspace and had everything close ah 17:04:00 -!- vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05:26 -!- kiuma [n=kiuma@83.103.127.195] has quit ["Bye bye ppl"] 17:06:01 -!- pingpongpat [n=patman@220-245-147-30.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:06:18 Beeet [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:10:40 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:10:54 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:11:14 alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has joined #lisp 17:14:14 -!- sbahra [n=sbahra@c-76-21-209-249.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:16:28 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:19:26 someone who knows about clims handle-event around? I woundered if there was a clever way to specialize an event handler for a specific application pane within my frame. Since the type of the sheet is not application specific i don't see how to do it with CLOS method specialisation 17:19:26 demmeln, memo from hefner: the bug lies in code which changes the mapping between CLIM/X11 coordinates, needed to work around X11's small coordinate range (65k). My patch 'fixes' the bug by disabling all that code, at the cost breaking if your pane grows larger than the X11 maximum. 17:20:36 demmeln: why not subclass the application pane and use normal CLOS specialziation? 17:20:46 that's how I do it, anyway. 17:22:02 hefner: i could do that. but it is convenient to just use a special display function. 17:22:24 hefner: i suppose i should subclass application-pane 17:23:00 -!- mrSpec is now known as spec[afk] 17:23:19 what are you trying to do? 17:23:21 -!- drdo````` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:23:36 hefner: repaint the pane when the window is resized 17:24:00 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-125-240.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:24:01 I think you mean redisplay 17:26:00 yeah 17:26:09 hang on 17:26:17 yeah redisplay 17:27:34 beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-104-169.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:27:47 -!- Beeet [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:27:53 -!- Cronos [n=a@5acc7266.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 17:28:57 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 17:31:57 Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483EFCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:42 -!- matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:37:07 beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-109-245.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:37:56 nathanael [n=nathanae@1.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has joined #lisp 17:38:01 -!- avdi [n=avdi@216.230.102.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:39:45 aundro__ [n=aundro@23.35-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:40:43 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [] 17:40:43 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-97-133.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:41:12 peter_12_ [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:39 avdi [n=avdi@216.230.102.194] has joined #lisp 17:44:59 -!- beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-125-240.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:45:13 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@94.112-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49:43 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:16 manuel_ [n=manuel@pool-136-187-197-89.dbd-ipconnect.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:07 -!- beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-104-169.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:56:21 -!- Lou_ [n=lat@125.162.205.66] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:57:32 Athas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has joined #lisp 17:57:32 -!- nathanael [n=nathanae@1.121.113.82.net.de.o2.com] has quit [Success] 17:58:02 user___ [n=user@p54926AA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:10 -!- peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:02:18 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has quit ["Valete!"] 18:05:16 aundro_ [n=aundro@152.210-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 18:05:20 Cronos [n=a@5ad5b21b.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 18:08:14 DeusExPikachu [n=DeusExPi@wireless-169-235-53-169.ucr.edu] has joined #lisp 18:08:40 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-188-181.northland.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:08 -!- joachim1 [n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:18:14 Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has joined #lisp 18:20:52 -!- yvdriess [n=yvdriess@progpc26.vub.ac.be] has quit [] 18:22:05 how can i make sure some asdf package is loaded before another package is loaded (i.e. when i do load-system on the second package) 18:22:28 -!- aundro__ [n=aundro@23.35-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22:52 and at the same time (:use ..) the first package in the second 18:23:29 -!- silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:23:34 the :depends-on parameter of asdf:defsystem does load the dependency, but unfortunately this is defined after i define the lisp package... 18:23:36 :depends-on ? 18:24:09 demmeln: put your defpackage in a file and make it the first thing loaded inside your system 18:24:25 so the (defpackage .... (:import-from ...)) complains that the package is not known 18:25:06 so i have installed alexandira 18:25:37 i want to load it when i load "my-system" 18:25:53 do what dlowe said 18:27:15 stassats: those golden words! 18:27:16 i dont understand. the defpacke for my-system? 18:27:52 demmeln: the package of your system's name is irrelevant 18:28:01 http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 18:29:41 ah my problem was, that the package definition was before the system definition in my asd file... thanks 18:29:43 davazp [n=user@121.Red-79-152-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:07 you are doing it wrong 18:30:51 -!- rindolf [n=shlomi@bzq-219-139-216.static.bezeqint.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:31:45 -!- weasel_______ [n=weasel@pD957D9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 18:32:46 nathanael [n=nathanae@dslb-088-064-187-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:01 stassats: could you elaborate? Do you mean that i shouldn't put the defpackage in the asd file, but a seperate one? 18:35:25 yes 18:35:53 chupish [n=sedwards@waffle.aip.org] has joined #lisp 18:37:39 stassats: works as expected now (thanks for the link) 18:40:20 mrsolo__ [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-8e6610b28b705a45] has joined #lisp 18:43:06 -!- malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbbf18a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:44:21 -!- Ogedei [n=user@78.52.233.253] has left #lisp 18:45:43 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:46:06 -!- m4thrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:49:13 gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 18:53:18 -!- frontiers [n=jackb@ti0151a340-dhcp0479.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:56:13 -!- Ragnaroek [i=54a66ffd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e78758b7739d669a] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 18:56:41 mathrick [n=mathrick@users172.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:02:21 pstickne [n=pstickne@69.166.35.201] has joined #lisp 19:06:42 aundro__ [n=aundro@28.211-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:07:17 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@152.210-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:10:02 jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #lisp 19:11:49 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0FE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:23 josemanuel [n=josemanu@64.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:16:58 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 19:18:07 Ragnaroek [i=54a65a15@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8c7eac8555f82a03] has joined #lisp 19:18:21 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit ["...may the Source be with you..."] 19:18:56 -!- peter_12_ [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 19:19:49 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:22:28 -!- Athas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:23:14 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:24:17 Cooper [n=Cooper@206.251.71.193] has joined #lisp 19:25:14 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 19:25:40 anyone know how to get slime to do a dribble file? (I'm using ACL 8.1 and slime/emacs on windows). When I use (DRIBBLE ) no output goes to the file 19:25:41 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:26:30 -!- V-ille [n=ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fecade00-157.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:27:43 I am on a new linux install, and SLIME is not starting up a REPL. I get a "Swank started at port: 54762" message but no REPL pops up 19:27:49 sbahra [n=sbahra@128.164.102.179] has joined #lisp 19:29:13 add (slime-setup '(slime-repl)) to .emacs? 19:29:41 -!- sbahra [n=sbahra@128.164.102.179] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:31:28 stassats: aha, awesome. It was just (slime-setup) before 19:32:52 gonzojive: use '(slime-fancy slime-asdf) instead of slime-repl 19:32:55 though i'd recommend to use slime-fancy (it has slime-repl and many other fancy features) 19:33:06 too late 19:34:01 hi demmeln. Will you be in the labs before you go to the munich meetup? 19:34:16 mle [n=emily@kuu.accela.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:26 tcr, stassats: thanks. by the way, what completion function do you use in SLIME? I am trying to cut down an carpal tunnel-inducing behavior while I hack 19:36:16 -!- H4ns [n=Hans@p57BBA3FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:36:21 -!- H4ns1 is now known as H4ns 19:36:32 H4ns1 [n=Hans@p57BBA3FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:36:55 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:37:09 i use something with -fancy- in its name 19:37:30 Beeet [n=stathis@ppp12-241.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:37:52 -!- aundro__ [n=aundro@28.211-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:37:58 -!- Beeet is now known as Beket 19:38:00 Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:10 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 19:42:23 aundro__ [n=aundro@37.178-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 19:43:21 tcr: hi. i will. loreny and poitr aswell 19:43:40 -!- Cronos [n=a@5ad5b21b.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 19:44:09 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:23 -!- yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:45:37 -!- rpg [n=rpg@75.146.46.193] has quit [] 19:45:43 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-71-138-134-208.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:47:39 demmeln pasted "panes" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74276 19:47:44 -!- jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:47:46 hefner: still around? 19:48:24 hefner: shouldn't the panes be roughly equivalent? 19:48:43 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:48:53 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:49:54 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:50:20 hefner: I'm woundering why with the second definition (get-frame-pane *application-frame* 'timeline2) always returns nil... 19:51:30 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:51:48 -!- elurin [n=user@85.99.66.92] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:53:19 i see in mcclim code: (eql (symbol-package type) (symbol-package :foo)) am i missing something or it is equivalent to (keywordp type) ? 19:53:52 jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.210.126] has joined #lisp 19:54:22 stassats: i guess 19:55:26 besides that the former will signal an error if type is not a symbol 19:58:37 -!- yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 20:01:13 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 20:02:18 stassats: why wouldn't the latter? 20:02:29 chris2 [n=chris@ppp-93-104-125-115.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 20:02:32 -!- archangelpetro [n=archange@cpc2-oxfd4-0-0-cust85.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:02:33 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:39 demmeln: because it is specified so? 20:03:20 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:31 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 20:03:38 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 20:05:52 clhs keywordp 20:05:53 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_kwdp.htm 20:06:54 -!- rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 20:07:47 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-212-105.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 20:08:16 hello 20:09:15 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-51-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:09:19 jeremiah [n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:56 rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:10:47 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@69.166.35.201] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:12:22 mstevens [n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org] has joined #lisp 20:12:36 tcr: in your talk you mentioned C-c C-m for macroexpanding the form on point. should the macroexpansion appear in the *SLIME Macroexpansion* buffer? Because for me that buffer stays empty and the content of the original .lisp buffer is replaced with the macroexpansion. 20:13:37 rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-8fa8d9a009a25412] has joined #lisp 20:14:48 billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:16:57 Brucio-8 [n=Brucio-8@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:31 Isn't slime-macroexpand-1 bound to C-c Enter? 20:20:38 C-m is enter 20:21:28 *dlowe* needs more coffee. 20:22:36 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@pool-136-187-197-89.dbd-ipconnect.net] has quit [] 20:22:48 archangelpetro [n=archange@cpc2-oxfd4-0-0-cust85.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 20:22:58 either demmeln has screwed slime, or screwed bindings, or screwed himself pressing wrong bindings 20:23:55 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:27:51 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.226.125] has quit ["Duct tape, not the Force, holds the universe together"] 20:27:52 possibly all of that... 20:28:36 and don't rule out screwed emacs 20:30:09 bindings are fine 20:30:17 so either slime or emacs 20:30:17 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:30:31 gotta check with the guy who set up slime 20:32:17 Athas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has joined #lisp 20:33:01 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:20 ehu [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #lisp 20:34:07 EXetoC [i=EXetoC@c-c791e155.1422-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:35:35 damn, slime again closed the wrong connection 20:36:08 -!- beach``` is now known as beach 20:36:25 -!- repnop [n=repnop@adsl-69-225-9-28.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:36:27 cads [n=max@c-71-56-69-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:42 aundro_ [n=aundro@212.115-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:37:05 lispm [n=joswig@e177154242.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:37:12 the default one, not current, somewhere i already saw that bug 20:38:52 ah. seems to be a bug with slime and ecb 20:38:59 only happens with ecb activated... 20:40:16 aundro [n=aundro@232.115-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:42:17 is it possibly to slime-connect to a random running lisp process that wasn't started with swank support? 20:43:49 if you first load swank in that lisp process 20:45:34 repnop [n=repnop@adsl-69-225-9-28.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:16 tsuru [n=user@66.199.17.194] has joined #lisp 20:46:21 sounds reasonable 20:49:07 demmeln: Yes, I recall someone else (perhaps it was you) who had problems with slime and ecb 20:50:32 tsuru` [n=user@66.199.17.194] has joined #lisp 20:51:04 tcr: could have been me. has anyone looked into this? 20:51:41 No, I don't think it's a common setting to use both 20:53:51 doxtor [n=doxtor@cpe-92-37-24-121.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:11 -!- aundro__ [n=aundro@37.178-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:34 aundro__ [n=aundro@148.183-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:55:31 -!- aundro [n=aundro@232.115-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:55:50 -!- LostMonarch [n=roby@host240-201-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["raise RuntimeError"] 20:55:58 -!- alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:57:08 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@212.115-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:00:56 ah. ecb is great :) 21:02:19 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users172.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:05:08 -!- jollygood [n=jollygoo@129.71.215.161] has quit [] 21:05:09 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:05:09 -!- tsuru [n=user@66.199.17.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:08:20 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:41 -!- phytovor [n=doxtor@unaffiliated/mitja] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:08:42 jollygood [n=jollygoo@129.71.215.161] has joined #lisp 21:09:03 -!- mstevens [n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org] has quit ["leaving"] 21:09:32 tcr: should i write to slime-devel about it, or is this just you listening there at the moment? 21:09:38 -!- jollygood [n=jollygoo@129.71.215.161] has quit [Client Quit] 21:10:53 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:11:58 s0ber [n=s0ber@118-160-162-110.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:07 I'm not really a slime developer. 21:13:21 Still, I'm afraid you're pretty much on your own 21:13:30 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.108.6] has joined #lisp 21:13:53 auclairb [n=auclairb@laborius1.gel.usherb.ca] has joined #lisp 21:14:41 -!- ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:14:42 any suggestion on reading/writing single-floats from/to a binary file ? 21:16:42 auclairb: If the floats are in IEEE format, see http://common-lisp.net/project/ieee-floats/ 21:16:42 minion: binary-float 21:16:43 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``binary-float''. 21:16:53 tcr's got it. 21:18:37 ah thanks, exactly what im looking for :D 21:19:35 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-9-3.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:20:11 myrkraverk` [n=johann@157-157-81-22.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #lisp 21:22:58 -!- roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has quit [] 21:24:34 -!- cads [n=max@c-71-56-69-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:25:59 kleppari_ [n=spa@mail.hvalfjardarsveit.is] has joined #lisp 21:26:16 Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has joined #lisp 21:27:47 cads [n=max@c-71-56-69-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:28 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:29:03 -!- myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:30:15 Can you limit the duration of a function? I want to fetch some url, but if it takes longer then x seconds I just want the function to return nil 21:30:27 not portably 21:30:45 minion trivial-timeout? 21:30:46 m4thrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:30:46 as long as it works under *nix 21:30:52 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:30:56 minion: trivial-timeout? 21:30:56 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``trivial-timeout''. 21:31:20 k thx stassats 21:31:20 PissedNumlock: http://common-lisp.net/project/trivial-timeout/ 21:33:59 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:34:27 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-109-245.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:35:34 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 21:36:17 -!- kleppari_ [n=spa@mail.hvalfjardarsveit.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:36:36 -!- Brucio-8 [n=Brucio-8@97-118-155-54.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:38:37 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:39:57 stathis_ [n=stathis@ppp7-38.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 21:41:52 Phoodus [n=foo@wsip-24-234-224-152.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:44 the idiot in me has been forking new threads to do simple time outs and forced returns 21:44:50 aundro [n=aundro@166.109-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 21:44:58 by interrupting the other thread? 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22:20:45 -!- REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has left #lisp 22:20:46 -!- tsuru` [n=user@66.199.17.194] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:21:01 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:21:40 pull often requires less boilerplate 22:22:06 drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 22:22:24 what does it means boilerplate? 22:22:39 I'm speaking in terms of speed and memory requirements 22:22:48 code that needs to be written in order to interface with the parsing system 22:23:11 i would not expect the differences be noticable 22:23:22 uhm 22:23:57 -!- aundro [n=aundro@166.109-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:00 what does "uhm" mean? 22:24:01 then using pull model I will write less code instead of coding with sax model 22:24:08 uhm -> I'm thinking 22:24:16 aundro [n=aundro@217.113-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 22:24:47 thank you for sharing 22:25:22 np :) 22:26:24 and for my question :) ? 22:26:28 then using pull model I will write less code instead of coding with sax model ? 22:26:33 sorry for my bloody english 22:26:45 -!- ejs [n=eugen@94-248-11-94.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:27:14 propably so, yes. you can do all your parsing from one parsing and don't need to write any callback functions for the parser to call 22:28:06 uhm ok 22:28:14 drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 22:28:24 but in terms of efficiency, are you sure that sax = pull model? 22:28:30 *yawn* 22:28:48 :D 22:28:49 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-151-10.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:28:50 sax is propably "slower" because it needs to call back more "virtual functions" 22:28:53 [clim:] why are application panes, that have grown in size due to output made on them, not shrinking once the output is small again? Or what do i have to do to shrink the pane? 22:29:06 uhm gooood news then :) 22:29:13 thanks a lot :) 22:29:25 Soulman [n=kvirc@138.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:38 barazok: have fun. and don't forget to measure instead relying on strangers claiming stuff in random irc channels. 22:30:03 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0FE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:30:11 measure = verify? 22:30:41 yes I know :) but I haven't found nothing on google 22:31:24 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 22:31:33 -!- chupish [n=sedwards@waffle.aip.org] has quit ["leaving"] 22:35:16 -!- sbahra [n=sbahra@c-76-21-209-249.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:35:17 -!- Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483EFCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:36:13 slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 22:36:22 -!- kami- [n=user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:36:25 -!- pkhuong [n=pkhuong@modemcable125.83-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:36:46 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:37:49 pkhuong [n=pkhuong@modemcable125.83-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 22:39:58 -!- sellout [n=greg@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [] 22:40:35 -!- _3b [i=foobar@cpe-70-112-214-100.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [lem.freenode.net irc.freenode.net] 22:41:45 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 22:42:10 -!- demmeln [i=demmeln@atradig111.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has left #lisp 22:43:53 aundro_ [n=aundro@212.96-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 22:44:02 -!- aundro [n=aundro@217.113-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:44:31 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.108.6] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:44:32 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:46:27 pstickne [n=pstickne@69.166.35.201] has joined #lisp 22:50:14 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 22:50:15 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:51:21 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:55 -!- barazok [n=adsijod@host-84-221-208-143.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit [] 22:54:58 -!- davazp [n=user@121.Red-79-152-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:55:19 Beeet [n=stathis@ppp7-38.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 22:56:03 ferada [n=ferada@e179234126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:56:09 -!- stathis_ [n=stathis@ppp7-38.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:57:37 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:00:43 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:04:53 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 23:05:27 -!- HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:05:35 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:05:49 aundro__ [n=aundro@128.119-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:05:55 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@212.96-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:07:21 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@69.166.35.201] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:10:56 n2 [n=david@0x573cc452.abnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 23:11:30 I was wondering whether there is a function in common lisp to check for the location of a specific element in a list 23:11:38 Krystof [n=csr21@dhcp192.dagstuhl.de] has joined #lisp 23:12:07 As in, i might have a list, (a b c). Say I would want to find the location of b, and didn't want to write a loop. 23:12:18 Is there such a function or should I just implement one myself? 23:13:35 what do you mean by location ? 23:13:40 Well 23:14:01 as in, the location you'd stick in (nth location list) 23:14:08 clhs position 23:14:09 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_pos_p.htm 23:14:09 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:14:10 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:14:42 Thank you, a lot :) 23:14:52 Sometimes, the answer is so obvious you miss it! 23:15:28 aundro_ [n=aundro@19.97-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:16:00 -!- avdi [n=avdi@216.230.102.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:16:52 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@19.97-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:16:59 aundro_ [n=aundro@83.170-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:17:56 -!- yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:18:13 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-254-117.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 23:18:28 -!- spec[afk] is now known as mrSpec 23:18:40 drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 23:20:08 sbahra [n=sbahra@128.164.100.80] has joined #lisp 23:21:40 roconnor [n=roconnor@206-248-135-96.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:42 -!- Beeet [n=stathis@ppp7-38.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:21:42 -!- xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:22:01 -!- aundro__ [n=aundro@128.119-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:22:34 xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 23:23:14 -!- ehu [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:24:22 nathanael [n=nathanae@dslb-088-064-187-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:28 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:27:05 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Success] 23:28:26 roygbiv [n=blank@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 23:29:41 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit ["leaving"] 23:29:53 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@wireless-24-76.media.mit.edu] has quit [] 23:35:04 -!- drdo`` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:39:00 aundro__ [n=aundro@92.96-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:39:51 -!- user___ [n=user@p54926AA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:42:01 aundro [n=aundro@122.109-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:42:15 avdi [n=avdi@216.230.102.194] has joined #lisp 23:42:26 -!- aundro__ [n=aundro@92.96-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:43:47 aundro__ [n=aundro@92.116-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 23:44:56 -!- joast [n=rick@76.178.184.231] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:48:27 Beeet [n=stathis@ppp7-38.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 23:49:20 -!- avdi [n=avdi@216.230.102.194] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:50:20 frobar [n=urgt@h-88-48.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 23:51:05 -!- sbahra [n=sbahra@128.164.100.80] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:51:34 how can i define a function with a weird name like // without getting syntax errors? 23:51:52 it's not something i'd do in production code. it's just for personal use :) 23:52:50 heh, never mind, i must've messed up earlier. it seems to be working fine without any special tricks. 23:55:35 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:56:20 -!- aundro_ [n=aundro@83.170-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:59:04 -!- drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:59:24 -!- Athas [n=athas@192.38.109.188] has quit [Remote closed the connection]