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00:42:53 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 00:43:39 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.176.205] has quit ["Leaving..."] 00:44:31 -!- dash_ [n=dash@dslb-084-057-060-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:44:56 -!- s0m30n3 [n=yesudeep@59.184.47.44] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:45:33 kzar, there's rfc-1123-date in hunchentoot 00:45:57 but rolling your own is not terribly complicated 00:46:53 kzar, maybe (decode-universal-time (get-universal-time)) ? 00:47:13 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:47:28 xan ahh perfect 00:47:44 MrSpec: Yea I know how to do it but I didn't want to if I didn't have ot 00:47:45 when is multithreading coming to lisp? 00:47:45 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:48:27 -!- ZabaQ [n=jconnors@194-105-174-193.ifb.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:49:35 dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has joined #lisp 00:50:23 -!- bryte [n=user@c-24-21-34-206.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:50:54 -!- amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:51:19 -!- mjonsson [n=mjonsson@66-234-42-93.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:52:15 dihymo, it's not in the standard, but most implementations have it already 00:52:29 dihymo: you just need an implementation that has them 00:52:36 sbcl has them 00:52:51 cool 00:54:06 mjonsson [n=mjonsson@66-234-42-93.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:45 netaustin [n=austinsm@cpe-67-243-48-35.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:54:49 -!- H4ns [n=hans@72-255-17-83.client.stsn.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:57:56 -!- Soulman [n=kvirc@138.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:58:51 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:02:14 -!- Paraselene_ [n=Not@79-67-130-219.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:02:38 Paraselene_ [n=Not@79-67-130-219.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 01:04:16 -!- user____ [n=user@p54927E43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 01:05:28 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:06:14 G'night! 01:06:27 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit ["BB!"] 01:06:30 -!- antoni [n=antoni@10.pool85-53-26.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Client Quit] 01:07:41 dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has joined #lisp 01:10:49 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:12:20 rvirding [n=rvirding@h40n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 01:13:54 jajcloz [n=jaj@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:13 schmx [n=marcus@c83-249-80-232.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 01:16:02 -!- njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has quit ["supercalifragilisticexpialidocious -- she said"] 01:16:13 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:16:28 dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has joined #lisp 01:25:18 -!- schme [n=marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:33:07 fodo [n=user@222.66.141.182] has joined #lisp 01:33:27 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 01:34:23 -!- masm [n=user@a83-132-153-17.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 01:35:40 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:36:38 egn [i=tux@nodes.fm] has joined #lisp 01:36:48 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 01:37:53 rsynnott: was it you who was controlling linuxsampler via lisp? 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I'm getting a condition in SBCL with no restart or backtrace: debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-ERROR in thread # : ? is not an ASCII character. How can I track this down? sb-impl::*default-external-format* is :UTF-8 01:48:08 -!- sellout- [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:49:34 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 01:50:51 -!- jlf` [n=user@209.204.171.109] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:51:34 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:52:13 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 01:53:28 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:54:58 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 01:55:12 It seemed to work better if I invoked the failing function from the current thread. 01:55:19 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 01:55:20 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-ea3f0be00ea6ec56] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:56:06 simplechat [n=simplech@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 01:57:15 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:58:13 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 02:01:48 -!- rcy [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:02:00 rcy` [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:13 -!- ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 02:03:09 ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 02:03:43 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 02:07:24 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:08:38 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 02:09:53 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:11:33 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 02:13:18 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:14:13 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 02:15:35 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:16:19 -!- dysinger [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:17:06 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 02:19:01 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:20:30 -!- mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:23:14 -!- rcy` is now known as rcy 02:26:12 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.176.205] has joined #lisp 02:26:44 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:26:49 evenin' 02:26:51 -!- rcy is now known as rcy` 02:26:54 -!- rcy` is now known as rcy 02:27:43 mornfall [n=mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 02:29:10 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 02:29:14 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:30:40 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:31:00 mod_proxy + hunchentoot is returning HTTP/1.1 302, Moved Temporarily and I'm seeing a _huge_ drop in search-engine traffic in my google analytics. 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There will be an xcvb demo at ILC'09. Now to beef up xcvb enough that there be something worthwhile to demo! 03:23:05 speaking of ILC'09 -- is there anyone from far-from-Cambridge who's coming at ILC'09 and would like to speak at the March BLM? 03:23:36 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 03:23:59 are there anymore details about ilc? 03:24:02 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 03:25:36 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:30:10 Anyone working on GPGPU integration with Lisp? 03:31:02 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:31:05 pstickne_ [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:40 -!- ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:33:16 syamajala: ilc09.org 03:33:26 p_l: what's GPGPU? 03:33:32 sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has joined #lisp 03:33:52 p_l: if it's integrated to C, you can use a FFI and/or C code generation 03:34:05 Fare: Aka usage of GPU for calculations 03:34:43 I'm asking cause there's a chance I might end up with few GPGPU oriented cards in my hands 03:35:31 -!- sellout [n=greg@12.232.162.2] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:39:28 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.176.205] has quit ["Leaving..."] 03:42:29 jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 03:44:48 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 03:51:01 p_l: There's always obsidian (http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~joels/writing/dccpaper_obsidian.pdf) or http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/papers/gpugen.pdf that thing. Functional, at least, and vastly preferable to CUDA 03:54:44 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:59:28 interesting stuff 04:00:46 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:59 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:05:02 -!- dysinger_ [n=tim@71.237.178.94] has quit [] 04:10:48 _8david [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 04:10:52 -!- dv_ [n=dv@85-127-114-35.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 04:11:01 -!- Fare [n=Fare@c-71-232-6-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 04:12:08 -!- _8david` [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:14:00 EtFb [n=etfb@203.22.236.8] has joined #lisp 04:17:15 O_4 [n=souchan@ip-118-90-111-32.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 04:19:22 -!- O_4 [n=souchan@ip-118-90-111-32.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 04:21:56 -!- lambda [n=lambda@c-24-5-198-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:23:10 sabetts [n=sabetts@S0106000a95700fd8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:23:34 -!- dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [] 04:24:36 -!- sabetts [n=sabetts@S0106000a95700fd8.gv.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 04:27:54 -!- sbahra [n=sbahra@c-76-21-209-249.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:28:53 sbahra [n=sbahra@c-76-21-209-249.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:29:11 nice. the "hottest" flash website template that every myspace musician uses has the very clever name of .. 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example). 06:42:12 -!- HeMan [n=jimmy@ssh.southpole.se] has left #lisp 06:45:52 karlw: What type of goodness do you need? 06:46:00 I'm writing a program (a Logo with turtle graphics) for educational use. 06:46:00 Unfortunately, most of the program's target audience needs it to run ``easily'' 06:46:00 on Windows. 06:46:23 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@ool-4356ce50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 06:47:58 Ltk is cross-platform, I believe it should work on Windows 06:48:34 Another alternative might be one of the bindings to GTK+ 06:49:42 H4ns [n=hans@72-255-53-186.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 06:50:23 I need something that supports 2D drawing. The code should preferably run on Windows, Mac OS X (if I'm lucky, in Aqua), and X without modification. 06:51:14 karlw: Cairo? Though I don't know about state of cairo bindings... 06:51:16 Both Ltk and GTK+ should support that I believe. GTK+ might have nicer 2D rendering with Cairo. 06:53:16 *karlw* prepares for UI design hell... 06:55:04 Hmm... http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/gtk.html 06:57:20 cp1134_ [n=cmp@unaffiliated/cp1134] has joined #lisp 06:59:06 does anyone have a link to getting readline keybindings working in the sbcl REPL? 06:59:48 cp1134_: Use rlwrap 06:59:51 i installed cl-readline, and loaded it as per the README, but i didn't seem to work 07:01:58 sctb: interesting. i'd never heard of that program. seems to work though. thanks! 07:08:25 Absent [n=administ@62.64.106.136] has joined #lisp 07:09:03 haiwei [n=haiwei@192.9.202.3] has joined #lisp 07:11:07 -!- haiwei [n=haiwei@192.9.202.3] has quit [Client Quit] 07:15:34 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-118-118-197.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:21:22 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 07:22:09 -!- amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:27:26 -!- karlw [n=user@adsl-99-157-202-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 07:28:36 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:30:05 -!- Absent [n=administ@62.64.106.136] has left #lisp 07:30:30 good morning 07:31:01 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:31:46 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has left #lisp 07:34:47 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.135.51] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:35:07 MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 07:36:29 jhc [n=jhc@76.235.49.251] has joined #lisp 07:38:20 jens [n=jens@p508EE527.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:38:53 -!- jens is now known as Guest80078 07:39:06 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 07:39:47 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 07:39:48 -!- CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:42:06 CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 07:42:58 Reaver_1 [n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 07:43:12 -!- jhc_ [n=jhc@adsl-75-52-163-135.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:43:21 -!- Jabberwo_ [n=jens@mue-88-130-125-186.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:44:37 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:46:19 uninverted [n=uninvert@ip98-184-79-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:47:54 This should be obvious, but I can't find it anywhere; what's a function to see if a value is in a list? 07:48:05 clhs member 07:48:17 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_member.htm 07:48:18 erm. bot broken. MEMBER does that 07:48:26 Thanks. 07:49:09 I looked at "in" and "contains", but it's late ;) 07:49:16 -!- uninverted [n=uninvert@ip98-184-79-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:00:29 -!- cracki_ [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 08:00:40 dss [n=user@c-24-7-88-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:01:45 impulse32 [n=impulse@CPE001195396746-CM001ac3167610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 08:04:08 -!- beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:04:16 jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-118-118-197.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:35 beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 08:06:26 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 08:09:48 mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4a47.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:10:58 -!- spiderbyte [n=dcl@unaffiliated/dcl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:13:28 mmstud [n=mmstud@airo.uranus.fi] has joined #lisp 08:13:32 schaueho [i=d5a445c1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50d702b238e6eacc] has joined #lisp 08:14:02 hello, anyone familiar with implementing algoritms from technical research papers to programing language like python or lisp? 08:14:19 i think most of us are yes :) 08:15:03 what do you think, how hard this would be: wwwhni.uni-paderborn.de/fileadmin/hni_sct/extern/plsomlib/files/plsom2.pdf 08:15:34 its a PLSOM 2, improved version of self organizating maps algorithm 08:15:44 i don't really know 08:15:54 it doesn't look too complicted, but then i am talking out of my ass 08:16:19 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:19 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:16:42 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@76.168.248.118] has quit ["night"] 08:19:44 it would be nice to have knowledge of how to convert math presented algoritm to programming language, i think it required deeper study of math, but some good teacher could reduce learning curve 08:19:52 yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:50 mmstud: you're not looking for a teacher here, or are you? 08:21:54 do you have teachers in this channel? i mean formal academic teachers for this kind of subjects? 08:22:29 mmstud: some professors frequent this channel, but i'm not sure if they're here to give lessons. 08:22:47 eevar2 [n=jalla@225.89-10-30.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 08:23:06 aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:24:45 Mannerisky [n=Manneris@24-117-137-23.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #lisp 08:24:45 topriddy [n=JAVABOY@41.194.11.19] has joined #lisp 08:25:14 interesting, it would be nice to have interactive lessons with such persons, if not real lessons, but they must be loaded by other works and have not time for such communication 08:26:03 <_8david`> if you don't grok the problem domain, you won't have fun trying to implement random papers 08:26:06 mmstud: you could also inscribe for a CS course at your local university. that is propably much more effective than trying to convey a complex topic through irc 08:27:16 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 08:28:10 ecraven` [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 08:28:39 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:28:58 sure 08:29:13 appletizer [i=a@82-32-123-68.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 08:29:40 _8, what do you mean by "grok"? 08:29:41 <_8david`> mmstud: Have you read up on neural network basics? 08:29:54 am new to lisp. Confused on if i should go for common lisp or scheme 08:29:54 -!- cavelife [n=cavelife@211.201.172.41] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:29:56 yes 08:30:22 Right now only thing i can do is (+ 6 5) 08:30:23 topriddy: this channel is about common lisp. 08:30:34 Simon Haykins Neural Networks is currently on read 08:31:28 the let and lambda + def functions 08:31:28 H4ns: Okay, common lisp then. Just downloaded the GNU Lisp. 08:31:59 i have been interested on subject since 90s - but going deep to technical implementations until now 08:32:14 topriddy: by "the gnu lisp" you mean clisp? most people use sbcl here, so that may be easier to get support for 08:33:44 Soulman [n=kvirc@138.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 08:33:50 by the way, i found LUSH programming language, some sort of lisp just today, when trying to find SOM related stuff 08:34:38 interesting library it has, but not very active group, perhaps development has ended 08:34:54 <_8david`> mmstud: so you're familiar with Kohonen networks? 08:35:55 yes. SOM -> PLSOM -> PLSOM2 08:36:53 SOM libraries are available for python, for example, but PLSOM not, or havent seen yet 08:37:39 H4ns: Sorry, do you have a link? Am on Windows OS 08:38:30 topriddy: ah, windows. stay with clisp on windows. 08:39:13 H4ns: so sbcl doesnt work there? 08:40:19 Okay I have a Fedora 9 box I use on my other partition when I feel like been weird. 08:40:27 topriddy: it does a bit, but it does not have a large user base and is considered experimental. 08:42:22 besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has joined #lisp 08:48:49 <_8david`> it doesn't feel like there's a large user base for lisp on windows in general. Either that, or the "developer to naive user" ratio is much lower. 08:49:46 or simply most applications written in CL for windows are not for your typical user 08:51:47 are you sure that you are not confusing "freenet" with "the world"? 08:52:00 s/^/_8david: / 08:52:49 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@ool-4356ce50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:53:56 When it comes to Lisp on Windows _and_ cheap _and_ well adapted to win32, I only found Cormal CL 08:54:10 toddoon [n=guillaum@mar92-11-82-245-210-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:56:02 -!- CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:56:06 <_8david`> H4ns: you're right. I'm only counting free software here. If you count Franz and LispWorks (and whoever it is who is funding ccl/win32), things are different. 08:56:22 ignas [n=ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 08:57:01 manuel_ [n=manuel@vpnwwwext.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #lisp 08:57:29 CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 08:57:57 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:58:41 _8david`: in the free software world, windows is marginalized in almost all respects :) 08:59:15 It's not too bad -- consider freescape, gimp, etc. 09:00:12 Zhivago: no doubt, but windows is not free to begin with, so it is not popular among free software believers. 09:02:16 trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 09:07:36 -!- appletizer [i=a@82-32-123-68.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:08:22 H4ns: How far do you think one can push the Lisp language? 09:08:55 topriddy: what do you mean by "push", precisely? 09:09:11 As in how far can it go to writing applications? 09:09:35 Am coming from Java where almost everything exists as API 09:10:48 a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has joined #lisp 09:10:54 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 09:11:30 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:12:18 gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 09:12:37 topriddy: compared to java, you'll find that library support for common lisp is much less extensive. many libraries exist, but often, they are incomplete or unmaintained. 09:13:05 topriddy: note, though, that writing infrastructure in common lisp is often a lot easier than in other languages, and it is also more fun :) 09:18:51 re 09:18:56 manuel_: re. 09:19:12 manuel_: watching your eagle screencast, useful! 09:19:21 hah, cool :) 09:20:27 H4ns: Have not yet seen the fun in so many nested brackets 09:20:33 i think i'm going to turn this CAM thingie into a real application with GUI 09:20:36 loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 09:20:53 jajcloz_ [n=jaj@pool-98-118-118-197.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:21:47 topriddy: they are called "parentheses". i'm not going to try and convince you. if you feel that some other tool is better, just go ahead and use that. 09:22:15 topriddy: You'll see it when you stop seeing them :) 09:22:25 manuel_: uh. i thought you were into music electronics now? :) 09:22:43 manuel_: seems like you're getting carried away on building infrastructure :D 09:22:51 H4ns: See back in school, I learnt Basic, C and C++ to the level of simple and funny programs where u solve mathematical and business projects 09:23:13 H4ns: nah nah 09:23:24 i am totally goal focused 09:23:40 -!- impulse32 [n=impulse@CPE001195396746-CM001ac3167610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 09:23:42 actually that infrastructure building last week kinda saved me a few days work this week 09:24:29 manuel_: uh! your cnc mill writes mididuino documentation, too? :) 09:24:33 manuel_: just kidding 09:24:38 it does! 09:24:43 that's the power of lisp right there 09:25:00 i'm going to attach a feather and some ink, and then clamp down manuscript paper 09:25:03 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:25:19 but this week is mididuino week, while the boards are getting fabbed in hungary 09:25:21 H4ns: Just show me the benefits of using LISP or learning just another language 09:25:26 manuel_: uh, you only need to sign it. 09:25:41 topriddy: i'm not interested. 09:26:31 *topriddy* wonders if Lisp is an academia lang 09:26:52 topriddy: i'm doing lisp in my day job. 09:27:10 impulse32 [n=impulse@CPE001195396746-CM001ac3167610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 09:27:11 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-118-118-197.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:27:16 Web stuff? 09:27:52 *manuel_* is doing lisp in his day job too 09:28:12 web stuff, "industrial" control and music algorithms 09:28:19 topriddy: mostly airline reservations, but web stuff as well 09:28:20 hehehe 09:28:50 fschwidom [n=fschwido@94.219.127.247] has joined #lisp 09:28:54 hello. how can i do type declaration of class-objects in functions? i tried (defun foo (bar) (declare ( bar)) ...) -> sbcl responds "can't open-code test of unknown type . what am i thinking wrong / what keyword should i look-up? 09:30:49 H4ns: Thanks, that would do. Got books you could refer me to? 09:30:59 minion: tell topriddy about pcl 09:31:01 topriddy: direct your attention towards pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 09:31:09 minion: tell topriddy about gentle 09:31:10 topriddy: have a look at gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 09:31:30 minion: tell topriddy about keene 09:31:31 topriddy: have a look at keene: "Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS" by Sonya E Keene. http://www.cliki.net/keene 09:32:10 minion: tell topriddy about paip 09:32:11 topriddy: please look at paip: Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp by Peter Norvig. http://www.cliki.net/paip 09:33:11 -!- yoonkn [n=yoonkn@210.108.170.71] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:33:24 topriddy: the big advantage of lisp being that it kinda supports most common programming paradigms, often in a very "wow" way 09:33:33 for example object orientation is incredibly flexible 09:36:43 manuel_: Thanks 09:37:50 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 09:39:59 ironChicken [n=richard@158.223.51.84] has joined #lisp 09:41:45 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:41:47 -!- dss [n=user@c-24-7-88-34.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 09:41:57 -!- mmstud [n=mmstud@airo.uranus.fi] has quit [] 09:42:08 H4ns1 [n=hans@72-255-18-182.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 09:44:19 -!- H4ns [n=hans@72-255-53-186.client.stsn.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:44:23 -!- H4ns1 is now known as H4ns 09:44:24 hm. is there a way to do emacs-lisp evaluation in a lisp (slime) buffer? i was searching for sth like slime-elisp-eval but i did not find anything useful. does someone have a tip/url/man/keyword for me to look for? 09:45:09 i dont think so 09:48:16 trebor_dki: There's a slime-scratch contrib. Is that what you want? 09:48:40 -!- echo-area [n=user@nat/yahoo/x-a0089824342ebc62] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:48:47 -!- Kathrin-25^away [n=kati-zh@164-61-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 09:49:00 z0d: i will look it up. thank you. 09:49:13 chrisliaw [n=chris@219.93.36.231] has joined #lisp 09:51:23 trebor_dki: So, what is emacs-lisp eval? 09:54:27 z0d: slime-scratch does nothing like that. 09:55:13 i'll do M-x eval-last-sexp manually then. 09:56:56 cavelife^white [n=cavelife@116.32.180.23] has joined #lisp 10:00:50 -!- cavelife^white is now known as cavelife 10:01:31 g'day 10:04:52 trebor_dki: What do you mean by "emacs lisp eval"? 10:06:04 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 10:06:06 -!- aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:06:09 trebor_dki: You can evaluate elisp in any emacs buffer. 10:06:10 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:08:37 Maahes [n=Mihos@cpe-76-169-173-133.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:08:43 schme: yes, surely. i tried to do it from cl directly (when compiling/loading a lisp buffer). 10:08:45 anyone familiar with newlisp? 10:08:46 folks, I see there are functions first, second, third... but what if I want to get the 20th element of a list? I can't find the proper function for this 10:08:55 loxs: nth 10:09:00 thanks 10:09:08 i just installed it, and now I'm wondering how to run the IDE? 10:09:13 trebor_dki: I'm not sure how you mean. 10:10:36 Maahes: this channel is about common lisp. 10:11:06 H4ns, I'm aware, just figured I might ask, since I can't find a link on the newlisp homepage to where the hell their IRC channel is 10:11:27 schme: i think my whole idea was/is rubbish. i'll do it via local-variables (or manually via M-x eval-last-sexp). as it is an emacs specific thing (renaming buffer ....) emacs should do it itself. 10:11:28 Maybe they don't have one. 10:11:41 Maahes: maybe they have none, but that does not mean that this is the right place to get support 10:11:48 trebor_dki: oh ok. Well good luck regardless of the rubbish :) 10:12:17 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 10:13:03 is there some convenient reference utility for common lisp? I mean, somewhere to lookup the "most commonly used" functions? 10:13:59 loxs: slime has hyperspec lookup if that is what you mean 10:14:20 <_8david`> http://clqr.berlios.de/download.php is cool 10:14:23 loxs: there is a quick-reference as well 10:16:13 schme, how do I use the hyperspec lookup? 10:16:47 loxs: C-c C-d h 10:17:00 loxs: or use the SLIME menu 10:18:26 thanks 10:18:42 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:19:15 loxs: There's also M-. for checking how stuff works (: 10:22:19 -!- oklopol [n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:22:33 kiuma [n=kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 10:22:51 hello lispers 10:25:37 kiuma pasted "is it a correct style ?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/73523 10:25:45 -!- topriddy [n=JAVABOY@41.194.11.19] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:26:54 H4ns1 [n=hans@72-255-53-186.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:42 -!- besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:30:07 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 10:33:50 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:36:17 kiuma: the docstring is not exactly clear, for one thing (what does the function return, again?) 10:36:59 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:37:06 is this some sort of macro helper? if so, why do you need an eval there? 10:37:54 *cmm* is off to lunch 10:38:45 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:38:55 spooneybarger [n=spooneyb@cpe-74-73-111-254.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:39:31 mmstud [n=mmstud@62.236.208.151] has joined #lisp 10:42:49 -!- H4ns [n=hans@72-255-18-182.client.stsn.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:44:17 Krystof [i=csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 10:45:36 ZabaQ [n=jconnors@194-105-174-193.ifb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:50:31 cmm, the parser returns a list, for example (CLAW-HTML:DIV> "The real content") 10:51:32 then it must be evaluated and transformed into a #'(lambda () (CLAW-HTML:DIV> "The real content")) 10:52:15 jhc_ [n=jhc@adsl-68-76-143-108.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:23 cmm, then I have a (defmethod page-content ((page page)) (when-let (lambda-content (page-template page)) (funcall lambda-content))) 10:52:30 Jabberwockey [n=jens@p508EDC05.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:52:52 antares_ [n=antares_@77.108.193.227] has joined #lisp 10:53:32 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 10:54:50 -!- impulse32 [n=impulse@CPE001195396746-CM001ac3167610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["leaving"] 10:56:41 besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has joined #lisp 10:59:33 -!- jhc [n=jhc@76.235.49.251] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:00:35 matley [n=matley@matley.imati.cnr.it] has joined #lisp 11:03:45 -!- _adeht is now known as _death 11:08:05 -!- Guest80078 [n=jens@p508EE527.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:08:17 mulander [n=user@80.51.122.72] has joined #lisp 11:08:27 -!- mulander [n=user@80.51.122.72] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:13:17 -!- Krystof [i=csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14:19 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:16:05 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:17:14 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:17:28 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 11:17:52 hmm... does the T response mean "True"? 11:18:20 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:18:54 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 11:19:15 loxs: Yes. 11:19:24 <_death> not necessarily.. it's just the symbol T 11:19:25 loxs: any value that is not NIL is true, and T is the designated boolean true value 11:19:37 took me some time to realise this :D 11:20:05 masm [n=user@a83-132-153-17.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 11:22:11 kiuma: what would be wrong with just returning a closure, instead of EVAL'ing a list that begins with LAMBDA? that's what all those modern languages (CL included) have closures for 11:23:11 -!- besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:27:36 loxs[] [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 11:28:34 sorry, my netwok was down for a while.... I was telling that it seems like () is equal to NIL, though "" is not. And I can't understand the rationale behind this 11:29:05 loxs[]: Try the approach that everything is a list anyway? 11:31:20 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@72-255-53-186.client.stsn.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:32:46 hm, now I understand that NIL is in fact an empty list (if everything is list anyway).... and the next problem now is why then (equal "" '("")) evaluates to NIL 11:33:08 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@vpnwwwext.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [] 11:33:25 the first is an emptry string 11:33:32 -!- toddoon [n=guillaum@mar92-11-82-245-210-60.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:33:35 the second is a list with one element: an empty string 11:33:41 (type-of "") 11:33:46 (type-of '("")) 11:34:01 ah, yes... now I see 11:34:48 does it mean that "" is not a list then... (not everything is a list)? 11:36:53 no 11:38:02 -!- loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:38:45 is it possible in a defun to declare a symbol to be an instance of a class? (declare ( )) does not work (obviously). can someone give me a hint? 11:39:06 so, in what way "" is a list then? isn't it a list containing an empty string? ("")? 11:39:15 <_death> loxs: "" is not a list 11:40:06 hjpark [n=user@221.138.197.236] has joined #lisp 11:40:35 trebor_dki: symbols cannot be instances of classes. you probably mean variables? 11:41:06 cmm: yes, you are right, i mean variables (arguments of the defun) 11:41:09 symbols instances of the class symbol :) 11:41:09 trebor_dki: that would be (declare (type )) 11:41:30 He wants to dynamically choose the class name? 11:41:40 cmm: thank you 11:42:05 Zhivago: SYMBOL is a built-in class, so it doesn't count :) 11:42:05 Ah, he's confusing type and class :) 11:42:10 <_death> trebor: what makes you think that it doesn't work? 11:42:20 Zhivago: no. not dynamically. like (defun foo (bar) (declare (type bar)) ... 11:42:36 _death: he had the syntax wrong 11:42:46 trebor: Yes -- ok, you're confusing type and class here. It's a bit confusing at first in CL. 11:44:03 -!- hjpark [n=user@221.138.197.236] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:44:03 trebor: (class-of 'x) and (type-of 'x) might be interesting for you. 11:44:37 Zhivago: yes, thanks for pointing 11:45:01 Krystof [i=csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 11:47:07 <_death> cmm: why do you think that the syntax is wrong? 11:47:08 -!- beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:47:36 beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 11:49:53 <_death> the only thing that's wrong is that he used a class-name where he should have used a class.. (declare (#.(find-class 'my-class) some-var)) is fine 11:50:19 s/class/type/ 11:50:47 <_death> in fact, defclass also registers the class name as a type-specifier.. so it was totally ok 11:50:51 <_death> zhivago: no 11:50:54 Yes. 11:51:06 You have a class and you have a type in parallel. 11:51:13 Kickaha [n=Alex@230.174.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 11:51:22 (declare (type foo x)) does not refer to the class name foo -- it refers to the type name foo. 11:51:59 -!- mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4a47.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:52:26 <_death> zhivago: see what I wrote about defclass and type specifiers 11:52:40 re-read what I wrote. 11:53:13 <_death> zhivago: I'm not sure I understand your point? 11:54:22 (defclass a () ()) (print (list (type-of (make-instance 'a)) (class-of (make-instance 'a)))) 11:54:29 The class and the type are different things. 11:54:35 They just happen to be in parallel here. 11:54:35 <_death> zhivago: yes, and? 11:54:44 The type declaration refers to the type, not the class. 11:55:39 <_death> zhivago: in a type declaration you write the type specifier.. classes defined using defclass also have their own type specifiers 11:56:04 Yes, and the type declaration refers to the type, not the class. 11:56:24 You need to understand that these are separate things, which happen to be in parallel here. 11:57:16 <_death> zhivago: yes, but I'm not sure how that makes trebor's code problematic 11:57:45 how do I make this case insensitive ? (cl-ppcre:split "(^\\$lisp>)+" "$LISP> (+ 1 2)") 11:57:47 jhc [n=jhc@adsl-75-52-161-130.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:58:28 H4ns [n=hans@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 11:59:26 silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:30 -!- loxs[] [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:00:12 <_death> zhivago: and you seem to think that `type-of' returns a type? a type is not a type-specifier 12:01:00 -!- jhc_ [n=jhc@adsl-68-76-143-108.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:02:01 death: CL has no first class types -- what is your point? 12:02:28 kiuma: it may be possible to use character classes, I don't see a &key case-sensitive option in the split documentation 12:02:33 <_death> zhivago: my point is that for classes defined using `defclass', (declare ( )) does the right thing 12:02:44 binghe [n=chatzill@60.12.227.4] has joined #lisp 12:02:46 -!- chrisliaw [n=chris@219.93.36.231] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 12:02:56 kiuma: i.e. (cl-ppcre:split "(^\\$[Ll][Ii][Ss][Pp]>)+" "$LISP> (+ 1 2)") 12:03:13 _death: using (declare ( )) causes a warning from sbcl here. 12:03:27 <_death> trebor: what kind of warning 12:03:36 using (declare (type )) works. 12:04:12 keramida: Why not "(?i)...."? 12:04:17 keramida, thanks but I think there is a directive to do this like in perl (even if I don't remeber which one it is) 12:04:35 _death: "can't open-code test of unknown type 12:05:55 z0d: ignorance. I didn't know about (?i) but now I do :) 12:06:27 <_death> trebor: I don't have access to sbcl atm.. can you paste a test case and the warning text 12:06:45 death: The class name isn't a declaration-identifier in CL. 12:07:16 death: You can write (declare (type class-name x)), though 12:07:33 <_death> zhivago: right.. do you know about type-declaration abbreviation? 12:09:11 answer to my question (cl-ppcre:split "(?i)(^\\$lisp>)+" "$LISP> (+ 1 2)") 12:10:59 younder [i=jpthing@062016236162.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #lisp 12:14:24 Are you aware that you can make a macro behave like a function. Not the argument's but the expansion? 12:15:21 make it expand to (labels ...)? 12:15:56 or is there some other neat trick? 12:17:39 no (eval-when (:compile :eval) ...) 12:18:01 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 12:18:36 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 12:18:47 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 12:19:40 Ah! Yes, thanks :) 12:20:08 _death: i have to admit, that in the test-case (as well as suddenly in the original code) (declare ... ( ) ...) works without warnings. - confusing. 12:21:07 the only thing i changed outsinde was out-commenting a function... 12:21:13 <_death> trebor: likely a confusion about the time of evaluation of the defclass and the code containing the type declaration 12:21:40 _death: i'll check this, thanks. 12:21:56 -!- fodo [n=user@222.66.141.242] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:24:57 drwhen [n=d@209-112-181-104.static.acsalaska.net] has joined #lisp 12:26:03 besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has joined #lisp 12:31:10 <_8david`> _3b: are you here? I need help defining methods. So far, I'm using swf-defmemfun, and can call those functions. But I'd like to get the closure at run-time and store it in a slot. Can I do that in your language? (How?) 12:32:27 <_death> younder: do you mind if I msg you? 12:33:03 _death: no 12:33:41 <_3b> _8david`: i think i did something like that at one point, let me see if i can find it 12:33:47 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:33:48 wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has joined #lisp 12:35:13 -!- ecraven` is now known as ecraven 12:35:24 <_3b> _8david`: looks like i was making the closure by hand with %asm 12:36:51 -!- wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has quit [Client Quit] 12:37:02 wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has joined #lisp 12:37:35 <_3b> think that needs some bits i haven't pushed to the public repo though, working on that now... 12:37:52 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit [] 12:39:22 -!- xan-afk [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 12:39:38 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 12:39:40 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 12:42:47 -!- s0ber [n=s0ber@118-160-169-24.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit ["leaving"] 12:43:02 -!- binghe [n=chatzill@60.12.227.4] has left #lisp 12:46:02 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 12:48:04 LostMonarch [n=roby@host234-206-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:49:55 -!- Krystof [i=csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:50:53 toddoon [n=guillaum@mar92-11-82-245-210-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:00 jollygood [n=jollygoo@129.71.215.161] has joined #lisp 12:52:16 -!- Kickaha [n=Alex@230.174.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has left #lisp 12:52:51 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:52:52 -!- segv__ is now known as segv 12:53:20 s0ber [n=s0ber@118-160-173-31.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:55:19 <_8david`> cool. (I don't understand AVM2 that well yet.) 12:55:59 <_8david`> I should start writing some test classes using flex or haxe, disassemble them and do some byte code reading. 12:56:03 <_3b> you just want a function, not an actual closure over free variables right? 12:57:05 <_8david`> right, just the "method function" or whatever the the term is 12:57:08 -!- karvus [n=thomas@193.213.35.168] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:57:30 <_3b> yeah, that should be fairly easy 12:57:47 <_8david`> I not quite sure what swf-defmemfun really does though. It has something to do with "methods", but does it actually end up as a method in a class? 12:57:48 <_3b> closing over variables is harder, since it changes how they are accessed for the whole scope 12:58:25 <_3b> not actually sure about what swf-defmemfun does either :) 12:58:51 <_3b> i don't think it actually associates it with a a class, but i'm not completely sure 12:59:44 <_8david`> Okay. Actual methods in classes would be nice to have. :-) 13:00:16 _8david`, I made closure-html working like a charm for my needs :).Now claw pages and components are html template enabled 13:00:52 <_3b> yeah, eventually that stuff will need to be figured out, for now i just wnat to get closures and non-local exits working properly 13:00:53 <_8david`> (In fact, that would also answer my original question, since I could just use get-property to get the method as an object, right?) 13:01:57 <_3b> right, you might actually be able to do that already, see if FUNCTION works in the code you have (just continue on the BREAK in it if you hit one of them) 13:02:48 <_3b> not sure if i just never finished that, or if i broke it in my tree since then 13:03:06 <_3b> i'm guessing the BREAKs mean those branches probably don't work though 13:05:39 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 13:06:35 <_8david`> Thanks I think I'll just go with (%asm (:get-property ...)) now to find my function. 13:07:14 <_3b> yeah, that should work, might want a :find-property-strict first 13:07:48 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:43 Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 13:08:58 <_8david`> right. I have no clear idea what find-property-strict is for, but I'm copy&pasting it diligently. 13:10:27 <_3b> as i understand it, that finds an object in the currently available scopes that has the specified property, so that get-property will work 13:11:06 <_3b> if you were calling a method on an object, you would put the object there directly instead i think 13:11:13 <_8david`> aha! 13:13:58 <_3b> if i have changes on a branch i want on the trunk in git, i checkout -b master, merge, checkout -b branch, rebase? 13:15:02 <_8david`> "git checkout " checks out an existing branch, no need for -b in that case 13:15:28 <_3b> ok, does the rest sound right then? 13:15:40 <_8david`> Other than that, that's pretty much my daily workflow at work, yes. 13:15:43 <_8david`> If master doesn't have unrelated change, the rebase won't even be necessary. 13:15:51 <_3b> cool 13:16:34 shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has joined #lisp 13:17:09 <_3b> oh yeah, do you think the ability to put file/line #s into the bytecode is worth any effort? 13:17:29 <_3b> would show up for example in stack traces, etc 13:17:38 <_8david`> Sounds very useful for debugging, yes. 13:18:30 <_3b> any idea how to get useful values to put there? added code to put it into the files, but got bored before i found any useful values to store :) 13:18:56 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has joined #lisp 13:19:10 loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has joined #lisp 13:21:52 <_3b> wonder what i did that broke gitk :/ 13:23:21 <_8david`> line numbers for lisp code are always tricky. You could record source paths like SBCL does, and convert them to line numbers as a second step. Swank has code for that (sb-cover also uses that code, I think). 13:23:53 <_3b> yeah, i was guessing swank would be the best place to look 13:24:32 <_8david`> I'd be happy if I could just insert line-number-like things into my assembly directly. Say, using (%asm ... (%note-line-number "file.lisp" 123) ...). 13:25:22 Do you need line numbers if the debugger can take you to the problematic part of the code? 13:25:55 <_3b> z0d: in this case, it can't (yet) 13:26:13 <_3b> _8david`: you can 13:27:01 <_3b> opcodes are :debug-file and :debug-line 13:29:18 mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4a47.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 13:31:41 <_3b> _8david`: checked in a fix for FUNCTION so it should work for things defined with swf-defmemfun 13:31:48 -!- simplechat [n=simplech@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:34:23 <_3b> _8david`: there is also commented out code in swf-defmemfun to store the *compile-file-pathname* in :debug-file, but it isn't very useful with C-c C-c from slime, so i didn't leave it enabled :) 13:34:39 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 13:35:00 hello 13:38:25 What is a reasonable way to store CSV files? A matrix or a list of arrays/lists? 13:38:52 z0d: depends. you might decide to put the files into structs or clos instances, too. 13:39:20 -!- yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 13:40:43 H4ns: A class with a matrix typed slot, for example? 13:40:56 z0d: no, one instance per row. 13:41:06 vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has joined #lisp 13:41:55 z0d: but cvs file reading certainly is a dead horse. i'd google some for inspiration. 13:42:00 H4ns: Hmm. What's the advantage of that? 13:42:48 z0d: instead of using, say, (aref row 4) to access the fourth value, you could access the columns by name 13:43:23 z0d: you could also do that dynamically (i.e. read the column headings and then have a function that allows you access by name, as determined by the heading). 13:43:43 z0d: all this depends on your use case. 13:43:56 -!- lnostdal [i=lnostdal@149-191-122.oke2-bras5.adsl.tele2.no] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 13:44:38 lnostdal [i=lnostdal@149-191-122.oke2-bras5.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #lisp 13:44:48 there are several matrix libray's for common lisp 13:45:32 there are also several csv reading libs, fwiiw 13:46:13 H4ns: I take it you don't wan't a list 13:46:43 younder: hu? i don't want all of that anyway. but if i would, i might even go for a list if that makes things easier. 13:46:53 younder: depends on the use case. 13:47:58 keramida` [n=keramida@adsl40-151.kln.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 13:48:37 Personally. I use Mathematica for Image manipulation, Tensor algebra etc.. If efficiency is not an issue 13:48:43 H4ns: Where would you store the instances (i.e. the lines)? In another CLOS object? 13:48:49 -!- keramida [n=keramida@adsl45-26.kln.forthnet.gr] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:48:52 -!- keramida` is now known as keramida 13:49:41 z0d: again, this depends - i might also read the lines into a suitable internal representation instead of storing them. i'd really recommend that you look at some of the csv parsers that are already available. 13:51:26 Krystof [i=csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 13:51:53 -!- Maahes [n=Mihos@cpe-76-169-173-133.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:53:06 H4ns: I've looked at some. They don't represent the file, they only return a line and provide mapping functions. 13:53:09 Absent [n=administ@62.64.106.136] has joined #lisp 13:53:37 -!- Absent [n=administ@62.64.106.136] has left #lisp 13:54:07 z0d: which is about as much as you may want. how to store the data is entirely application specific, it is not really possible to give advice that is good for all use cases. 13:55:34 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:20 jhc_ [n=jhc@76.250.190.253] has joined #lisp 14:01:29 cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:03:35 -!- besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:04:57 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 14:06:36 pmatos_ [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:06:36 pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:06:54 -!- pmatos [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:58 -!- pmatos_ [n=pmatos@pocm06r.ecs.soton.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:07:18 Ogedei [n=user@78.52.232.170] has joined #lisp 14:07:20 Maahes [n=Mihos@cpe-76-169-173-133.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:54 H4ns: Do you now if is there any progress with the bound condition patch submitted to flexi-streams? 14:09:03 vy: i don't know, sorry - i'm not subscribed to that mailing list. you can send me the patch by direct email and i'll look at it. if i like it, i could do some lybbying with edi 14:09:26 H4ns: That'd be awesome! I'm on my way! 14:09:42 vy: the patch will be enough :) 14:10:27 blitz_ [n=julian@2001:6f8:10f6:0:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has joined #lisp 14:10:47 -!- blast_hardcheese [n=blast_ha@dsl092-043-124.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:11:24 -!- beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:11:44 eaumontab [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 14:12:00 -!- jhc [n=jhc@adsl-75-52-161-130.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:12:07 -!- mmstud [n=mmstud@62.236.208.151] has quit [] 14:13:48 Grilinctus [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has joined #lisp 14:15:20 blitz__ [n=julian@2001:6f8:10f6:0:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has joined #lisp 14:16:32 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:16:38 Irregardless [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has joined #lisp 14:18:36 -!- aerique [i=euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ["..."] 14:20:16 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 14:20:40 H4ns: Sent. 14:21:03 -!- Grilinctus [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:22:32 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 14:25:14 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:27:06 blast_hardcheese [n=blast_ha@dsl092-043-124.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:44 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-28-118.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 14:27:53 -!- blitz__ [n=julian@2001:6f8:10f6:0:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:28:01 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77-109-28-118.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:28:06 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-28-118.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 14:28:26 Awesome, it's -10F here, we went outside and tossed boiling water into the air, vaporized 14:29:36 It was -18C 2-3 days ago in here. 14:29:39 TDT: i didn't realise lisp was being deployed in antarctic research ;-) 14:29:53 TDT: that's -23 C you american 14:30:02 sorry, how much s -10f in kelvin/celsius? 14:30:08 *is 14:30:13 sounds like Al Gore was right! 14:30:15 ironChicken: lol ironChicken, feels very arctic here. 14:30:17 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has quit ["Valete!"] 14:30:24 trebor_dki: ignas said already :) 14:30:27 -!- wedgeV [n=wedgeV@85.31.0.85] has quit [] 14:30:39 ups. 14:31:23 This is very rare we get it that cold here, which is kinda a surprise. Kinda nice to a degree, but my coffee from a coffee shop nearby was cold by the time I walked into work. 14:32:40 it was *very* cold in london a few days ago (like -3C!!) but now it's gone very mild (10C). 14:33:15 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has joined #lisp 14:33:41 -3C...that's like a normal day here at this time of year, for a high. 14:34:24 dmiles [i=dmiles@c-71-197-210-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:26 *ironChicken* wraps himself up in the gulf stream, nice and snug 14:35:18 malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbb4a02.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 14:35:52 dlowe [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:06 ironChicken: Better than Canada anyways 14:36:25 -!- dmiles_afk [i=dmiles@c-71-197-210-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:40:58 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 14:41:55 -!- blitz_ [n=julian@2001:6f8:10f6:0:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:44:10 -!- a-s [n=user@85.9.55.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:45:35 ironChicken: Cold is when you get below -15 14:45:49 and even then it's relative 14:46:09 real cold is <-25C :) 14:46:55 binarin [n=user@gwn.alt1.ru] has joined #lisp 14:48:07 besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has joined #lisp 14:48:31 The wind chill here is roughly -28C at the moment...and yeahy, I agree, that's when it's really cold. 14:51:33 sorry, windchill is actually -35C at the moment 14:53:46 TDT: Nice weather. Strangely enough, as I got closer to North Pole, it got warmer 14:53:52 jhc [n=jhc@adsl-75-52-160-254.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:05 Cronos [n=a@5ac6c913.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 14:56:39 Where do you live currently? 14:56:50 Scotland 14:57:08 and it looks bloody sunny like they never heard of winter 14:58:35 danlei [n=user@pD9E2CAB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:27 ltbarcly [n=jvanwink@nc-76-0-132-11.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:47 heh, well with the ocean near by that helps I suppose 15:01:24 _8david [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:59 postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-255-102.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 15:04:06 pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:45 spiderbyte [n=dcl@unaffiliated/dcl] has joined #lisp 15:08:11 -!- jhc_ [n=jhc@76.250.190.253] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:08:22 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:09:04 it's kind of weird to depart from snow-covered airport, to land in slightly cold but not snow covered airport, proceeding to another airport where you can go without half the clothes you have on you... and it's still not so big of a distance 15:09:35 -!- flazz [n=franco@qubes.org] has quit ["leaving"] 15:10:07 flazz [n=franco@qubes.org] has joined #lisp 15:12:50 p_l: cool, I'm in glasgow for the week 15:13:39 I'm really surprised by the diversity of countries represented here, I mean, looking at all the hostnames and what people are saying. 15:14:06 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@hq-users.caci.com] has joined #lisp 15:15:05 -!- Irregardless is now known as Aankhen`` 15:15:17 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [No route to host] 15:15:42 -!- _8david` [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:15:56 f7b5 [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 15:16:05 -!- f7b5 is now known as runenes_ 15:16:25 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:16:35 -!- Krystof [i=csr21@158.223.51.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:16:39 TDT: http://www.cliki.net/xearth some lispers on the map 15:16:40 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:41 well, this is internet, in theory it doesn't follow political borders ;-) 15:16:56 -!- besiria [n=user@webspirs.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:17:37 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has left #lisp 15:17:55 stassats: Apparently the maps don't work any more, not found unfortunately 15:18:04 billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:18:05 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has quit ["Induhvidual Quote: “Why don't we print it in black and white and then take a color photocopy?”"] 15:18:31 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has joined #lisp 15:18:42 jozis [n=josy@93-97-159-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:18:53 TDT: that cliki link doesn't work? works for me 15:19:07 -!- jozis [n=josy@93-97-159-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has left #lisp 15:19:13 The link itself works, the images of the people's location doesn't 15:19:33 ah, you can generate it with xplanet 15:20:08 though, i suppose that not all locations are up to date 15:29:17 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 15:35:09 jkantz [n=jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 15:37:02 salex [n=user@216.80.143.240] has joined #lisp 15:38:36 user828213 [n=user@atlaswireless.nomads.utk.edu] has joined #lisp 15:39:21 demmeln [n=demmeln@atradig108.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has joined #lisp 15:40:32 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 15:41:14 blitz_ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:13 blitz__ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:01 -!- blitz_ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:47:55 -!- blitz__ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:48:05 blitz_ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:09 Is there a good library for unit testing? 15:49:03 yes, there is a lot of unit testing frameworks 15:49:35 <_8david> user828213: http://aperiodic.net/phil/archives/Geekery/notes-on-lisp-testing-frameworks.html 15:51:05 thanke 15:52:40 -!- eaumontab is now known as abeaumont 15:53:19 -!- runenes_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:53:32 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.176.205] has joined #lisp 15:53:45 Maddas [n=Maddas@tardis-b23.ee.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 15:55:12 runenes_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 15:57:03 danlei` [n=user@pD9E2C246.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:02 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@p508EDC05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:58:29 -!- eevar2 [n=jalla@225.89-10-30.nextgentel.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:03:59 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 16:04:25 ehu [i=91dd3448@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-97bdf9f8852ad4bd] has joined #lisp 16:05:37 oh, there's sbcl for 64bit darwin now? 16:06:02 does anybody here have contact details for emarsden? 16:07:48 ehu: http://emarsden.chez.com/ ? 16:10:54 z0d: that's a website. since when is it possible to contact a website? 16:11:16 z0d: I mean a *working* e-mail or phone number or whatever. 16:11:20 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-4-64.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:11:31 fax number :-p 16:11:53 ehu: Did you actually look at that page? 16:12:01 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-4-64.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:12:02 ehu: see footer of http://emarsden.chez.com/downloads/index.html 16:12:07 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77-109-28-118.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:12:20 Because it has an address and an e-mail address. 16:12:48 z0d: I tried the @laas.fr e-mail. (it's not configured or not correctly) 16:12:59 but the physical address might help. 16:13:06 thanks. missed that. 16:13:07 -!- danlei [n=user@pD9E2CAB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13:13 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@89.202.147.22] has quit ["Valete!"] 16:14:25 xb 16:14:43 -!- willb [n=wibenton@h69-129-204-3.mdsnwi.broadband.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:15:00 haha. guess which editor I'm using..... 16:15:06 -!- user828213 [n=user@atlaswireless.nomads.utk.edu] has left #lisp 16:15:19 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:16:37 ed? 16:18:00 -!- binarin [n=user@gwn.alt1.ru] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 16:18:38 athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has joined #lisp 16:18:38 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-25-68.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 16:19:04 Has anyone done anything with cl-walker? 16:19:23 isn't that attila_lenvdai's? 16:22:43 Possibly. 16:23:18 f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 16:23:22 -!- runenes_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:23:48 binarin [n=user@gwn.alt1.ru] has joined #lisp 16:24:13 -!- mishok13 [n=gdmfsob@dm.sonopia.com] has quit ["Stopping IRC chat... [OK]"] 16:28:19 -!- fschwidom [n=fschwido@94.219.127.247] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:29:21 -!- vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:30:27 ehu: Eric has emailed us before from a @free.fr email address. 16:31:12 -!- matimago [n=user@cac94-10-88-170-236-224.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:31:32 That was September last year, so it's relatively current. 16:34:18 Krystof [i=csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:37:31 -!- Cronos [n=a@5ac6c913.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:37:51 Kickaha [n=Alex@163.109.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:38:21 -!- ignas [n=ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:41:24 -!- pierre_thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-45-82-65-186-25.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:41:29 -!- shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:41:38 pierre_thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-26-82-254-81-70.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:12 _8david` [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 16:44:50 Jabberwockey [n=jens@mue-88-130-125-186.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #lisp 16:47:40 -!- loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:50:34 LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:36 loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has joined #lisp 16:52:57 ikki [n=ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 16:52:58 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:53:22 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 16:53:29 -!- pjb3 [n=pjb3@c-76-100-98-185.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:54:08 -!- salex [n=user@216.80.143.240] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:54:42 Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 16:55:18 -!- f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:55:24 -!- Reaver_1 [n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit ["Leaving."] 16:56:46 -!- H4ns [n=hans@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:57:51 MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 16:58:05 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@ool-4356ce50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:54 -!- _8david [n=user@port-212-202-18-15.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:59:23 H4ns [n=hans@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:59:25 hi 17:00:09 -!- benny` [n=benny@i577A0AD7.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:00:56 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has joined #lisp 17:02:21 blarfo [n=hask@h78n2c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 17:02:35 -!- schaueho [i=d5a445c1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50d702b238e6eacc] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 17:03:12 what did Edsger Dijkstra think about Lisp? He bashed object-orientation but never seemed really into the functional programming stuff so i don't understand what he actually did like? 17:05:00 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has left #lisp 17:07:12 "the recognition of the benefits of viewing programs as formulae to be derived" 17:07:30 -!- netaustin [n=austinsm@cpe-67-243-48-35.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 17:07:56 ''LISP had its serious shortcomings: what became known as "shallow binding" (and created a hacker's paradise) was an ordinary design mistake; also its promotion of the idea that a programming language should be able to formulate its own interpreter (which then could be used as the language's definition) has caused a lot of confusion because the incestuous idea of self-definition was fundamentally 17:07:58 flawed.'' 17:08:24 But in spite of these shortcomings, LISP was a fantastic and in the long run highly influential achievement that has enabled some of the most sophisticated computer applications. 17:10:39 I think he means McCarty's LISP, not Common Liso 17:10:42 Lisp* 17:12:16 phromo [i=phromo@c-f965e455.09-239-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 17:12:16 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:12:18 e.g. LISP didn't have CLOS 17:12:24 i think it doesn't matter, and blarfo is a known troll 17:12:50 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@progpc35.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 17:14:29 is there a built in function to check if 2 lists contain the same elements (regardless of order, sets basically) 17:15:03 clhs set-difference 17:15:03 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_di.htm 17:15:35 mulligan [n=user@78.52.51.253] has joined #lisp 17:17:20 ah yeah that works 17:17:36 and to think I used that just a while ago 17:18:10 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 17:18:17 -!- antares_ is now known as dkubb 17:20:08 -!- ehu 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have a string and i want to get the first word from it, how would i do that? 17:53:23 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 17:53:43 (let ((string "first second")) (subseq string 0 (position #\Space string))) 17:54:50 stassats`: What about multiple spaces between words? 17:55:05 rpg_ [n=rpg@198.36.194.2] has joined #lisp 17:55:23 -!- kiuma [n=kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit ["Bye bye ppl"] 17:55:44 -!- rpg_ is now known as rpg 17:56:34 drdo: you asked for the first word, right? 17:56:35 (third (split-sequence:split-sequence #\Space " first second third" :remove-empty-subseqs t)) 17:56:46 drdo: you can always use a regular expression 17:58:00 -!- blarfo [n=hask@h78n2c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 17:58:01 stassats`: the problem is, i'd like the n initial words to be splitted, but not the rest 17:58:59 (split-sequence:split-sequence #\Space " first second third" :remove-empty-subseqs t :count 2) 17:59:07 oh 17:59:11 there's a count keyword? 17:59:24 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What's your secret?""] 18:39:13 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:39:50 -!- mmstud [n=mmstud@a88-114-151-228.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 18:42:03 syamajala: it 18:42:05 it 18:42:14 damnit erc wtf 18:42:22 what? 18:42:30 it's a big one innit <--- what i am trying to say 18:42:42 oh 18:42:57 well yeah, but i'm also really used to reading books online 18:43:18 i read all of pcl online, and i've been reading onlisp online too 18:44:57 -!- drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:45:03 syamajala: you should buy PCL .. it's worth having on paper as well. 18:45:08 i do 18:45:11 onlisp can stay online :) 18:45:18 i bought it after i read it online 18:45:29 ah good! :) 18:45:46 *drewc* tries to support his local gigamonkey wherever possible. 18:45:57 heh 18:46:20 -!- pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:46:36 i figured i would read onlisp to learn more about continuations, and some other stuff i have been interested in for a while 18:46:58 i about 9 chapters in 18:47:06 it is good for macros 18:47:48 but, continuations? does it have them, i haven't read from cover to cover 18:48:00 yeah 18:48:13 somewhere in the 20s 18:48:23 does it have continuations implementation? 18:48:41 chapter 20 18:48:43 -!- drdo` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:49:04 it's a pretty lame continuations implementation though. 18:49:29 mmstud [n=mmstud@a88-114-151-228.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 18:49:40 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 18:49:51 it looks like they are implemented later on in the book, but the initial explanation uses scheme 18:50:03 if you want to learn about continuations, you'd be much better of reading some of the lambda papers and following along in plt 18:50:17 willb [n=wibenton@wireless107.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #lisp 18:50:22 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-208-97.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 18:51:16 (that's what worked for me anyway, YMMV) 18:51:25 i tried to find a copy of the lambda papers, but readscheme.org was down when i last looked 18:51:33 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 18:52:10 and it looks like it might still be down 18:52:20 archive.org maybe? 18:52:30 weirdo [i=sthalik@c144-107.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:52:55 -!- f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:53:01 it is supposedly a pdf on readscheme 18:53:20 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 18:53:26 according to wikipedia, but i'll check the archives 18:53:37 -!- mmstud [n=mmstud@a88-114-151-228.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 18:53:57 -!- mulligan [n=user@78.52.51.253] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:55:32 karvus [n=thomas@193.213.35.168] has joined #lisp 18:56:21 woot! 18:56:31 the internet archives has copies of the pdfs 18:58:44 salex [n=user@216.80.143.240] has joined #lisp 19:00:05 Adamant [n=Adamant@130.254.102.158] has joined #lisp 19:00:14 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:06:39 schaueho [n=schauer@dslb-088-066-027-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:44 dysinger [n=tim@166.129.100.247] has joined #lisp 19:08:15 Hmm, while reading though PCL, I had a kinda weird question. From using Lisp, I thought somethign ike (foo) will attempt to execute a function foo, but when using let, say (let ((x "foo"))), x isn't evaluated. Came across this with the (with-open-file). Kinda curious though, when doing (with-open-file (stream-var args)), how does that work in the backend? 19:08:39 let is a macro 19:08:47 let is a special form 19:08:58 with-open-file is a macro 19:08:59 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:09:18 So the (x "foo"), is that a list I'm passing to the macro then? 19:09:34 to the special form (primitive), yes 19:10:45 Hmm, ok, kinda confusing to a degree, but I think I mostly understand. 19:11:19 special operator or macros can decide whether evaluate or not their arguments 19:11:41 functions cannot, all their arguments are evaluated from left to right 19:12:00 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 19:13:18 Cronos [n=a@5ace2feb.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 19:13:38 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.163.74.10] has quit ["Induhvidual Quote: “Don't you hate it when you lock your keys out of your car?”"] 19:14:50 stassats`: *nod* yeah, I think in some ways I need to find the code for these, and check out how they work, like what the macro says - that may help out a lot 19:14:57 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:15:18 pierre_thierry [n=pierre@lns-bzn-26-82-254-81-70.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:28 TDT: just read the chapter in pcl about macros 19:15:58 stassats`: Yeah, I did, macros are extremely fuzzy to me right now 19:16:40 so, you can read it again 19:17:26 :-) 19:17:36 stassats`: Yeah, I likely will once I finish with the book..goign to go through parts of it again once I read the book through once. 19:18:54 macros are actually not that hard... once you grasp them 19:19:35 -!- Ginei_Morioka [i=irssi_lo@78.114.176.161] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:19:42 Ginei_Morioka [i=irssi_lo@78.112.45.73] has joined #lisp 19:22:53 -!- f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:23:22 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 19:30:54 blitz_ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 19:34:38 -!- MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has quit ["reboot"] 19:35:41 blitz__ [n=julian@2001:6f8:1194:c3d3:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has joined #lisp 19:37:03 -!- ehu` [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:39:12 mrSpec [n=NotMe@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 19:39:52 blitz___ [n=julian@2001:6f8:1194:c3d3:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has joined #lisp 19:40:16 -!- blitz___ [n=julian@2001:6f8:1194:c3d3:21b:77ff:fe41:11ab] has quit [Client Quit] 19:42:00 hi, using clsql, anyone know why this isn't using :order-by, it's still going ascending: http://paste.lisp.org/display/73548 19:46:20 it might have to be '(([id] :desc)) 19:46:26 that's two levels deep, not one 19:46:26 -!- LostMonarch [n=roby@host234-206-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:48:13 antifuchs: that was it. thanks 19:48:56 yvdriess [n=yvdriess@d54C2899A.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 19:49:15 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:49:37 beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 19:50:01 egn: yw (: 19:53:02 -!- mrSpec [n=NotMe@82.177.125.6] has quit ["c Ya"] 19:53:25 f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 19:53:28 -!- f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:55:12 -!- blitz_ [n=julian@cl-76.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 19:56:07 mrSpec [n=NotMe@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 19:56:43 -!- cads is now known as cads_ 19:56:49 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has joined #lisp 19:56:56 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:28 is it me, or has there been a sharp increase in users of this channel over the last year or so 19:57:29 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has joined #lisp 19:57:35 ReiniUrban [n=chatzill@212-183-62-86.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 19:57:49 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:56 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has joined #lisp 19:58:15 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 19:58:27 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has joined #lisp 19:58:30 yvdriess: certainly, I'm here, everybody wants to be here! On a more serious note: perhaps lisp is getting somewhat more attention these days? 20:00:38 auclairb [n=auclairb@dhcp180-34.residence.usherb.ca] has joined #lisp 20:00:58 -!- rurban [n=chatzill@212-183-58-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:01:00 -!- ReiniUrban is now known as rurban 20:01:24 does the bot here have a user# graph? :D 20:01:28 clhs loop 20:01:29 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_loop.htm 20:01:35 specbot! 20:02:41 I'd like to build a small program that'll go on a webpage, download mp3's, modify md3 tags on these mp3s and save them in a folder as an introduction to lisp for web use. What do I need (in term of packages)? 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Email lisppaste-requests AT common-lisp.net."] 21:18:10 -!- specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Common Lisp IRC library - http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-irc"] 21:18:10 -!- minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 21:21:25 <_3b> auclairb: sure the content type is correct (and text) on the page you are downloding? 21:22:48 -!- f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:22:51 _3b: How would I check the content type? (the page is http://lisp.org) 21:23:08 lisppaste [n=lisppast@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:18 f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 21:23:36 _3b: nevermind my question 21:23:53 <_3b> is it working now? 21:24:14 Content type is NIL 21:24:43 minion [n=minion@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:48 specbot [n=specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:51 -!- Guest4832 [n=matley@91.80.227.104] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:25:22 <_3b> yeah, looks like it does a redirect, so might be something about that confusing it 21:25:38 At least thats what (get-content-type (nth-value 2 (http-request "http://lisp.org"))) gives me 21:27:12 <_3b> does "http://lisp.org/" work any better? 21:28:05 Isn't taht the same uri ? 21:28:20 lisp.org uses an HTML meta-element redirection for `/', returning no Content-Type header in the 200 OK response. 21:29:03 Try . 21:30:12 _3b: so that answers my question regarding why it showed a vector instead of text, thank you :D 21:30:48 <_3b> yeah, lisp.org setup might have changed since the example was written, if it still doesn't work with the trailing / 21:31:15 Hun [n=hun@pd956be5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:31:16 _3b: yes it probably has changed then 21:31:19 <_3b> different version of allergroserve at least 21:35:15 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:35:21 different allegroserve, different physical location, different machine, different adminstrators :) 21:35:29 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 21:35:38 beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 21:35:55 What would cause http-request to hang? example : (http-request "http://library.georgegordon.com/audio") 21:36:04 <_3b> drewc: the meta refresh to /alu/home is the same at least :) 21:37:56 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 21:41:37 even C-c C-c wont do it 21:43:07 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:45:49 drdo [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 21:47:00 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 21:47:26 -!- alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:48:05 -!- rlpowell [n=rlpowell@chain.digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:49:11 evenin' 21:51:22 -!- f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:51:30 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:51:38 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@mue-88-130-125-186.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:51:47 s-http-client also seems to fail on that uri 21:51:57 wget has no problems 21:52:37 japhie [n=japhy@213.192.75.1] has joined #lisp 21:55:22 -!- drwhen [n=d@209-112-181-104.static.acsalaska.net] has quit ["\(^^) LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL! "\(^^)""] 21:55:40 -!- rcy [n=rcy@S01060002553240a8.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:56:06 Any other lisp http clients ? 21:56:16 besides drakma and s-http-client 21:57:06 minion: tell auclairb about trivial-http 21:57:07 auclairb: have a look at trivial-http: Ah, HTTP, the protocol we all love to re-implement. http://www.cliki.net/trivial-http 21:58:03 slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 21:58:30 -!- mrSpec is now known as spec[afk] 21:59:23 -!- loxs [n=loxs@83.228.122.198] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02:39 Allegro CL also had something for http, I think. 22:02:42 H4ns: thanks, trivial-http doesn't hang where the two other do 22:03:41 auclairb: the hanging deserves a bug report, really. 22:04:27 H4ns: where? 22:04:48 -!- Cronos [n=a@5ace2feb.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 22:05:34 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 22:05:47 f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 22:05:59 auclairb: drakma-devel mailing list i guess. or you could send the info (platform, version, url) to me (hans@bknr.net) if you're in a hurry 22:06:05 auclairb: thanks! 22:07:14 I'll update sbcl (was on 1.0.22) and see if it repros 22:08:07 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:11:19 I really wish there was a better CSV parser for CL 22:11:31 Fare-CSV is a bit rough on complex CSV files. 22:12:29 send patches. :) 22:12:33 -!- fade is now known as Fade 22:13:54 TDT: have you checked out http://members.optusnet.com.au/apicard/csv-parser.lisp ? 22:14:38 says it's improved version 22:15:36 matley- [n=matley@91.80.227.104] has joined #lisp 22:16:56 I haven't japhie, but will. 22:17:27 and yeah..I may help contribute to it. There are some incredibly complex CSV files that I'm grabbing, with newlines and all that..I think that's what's causing the problem with fare-csv 22:18:34 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@net1.senecac.on.ca] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:18:39 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:18:51 -!- matley [n=matley@91.80.227.104] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:19:09 -!- pchrist_ [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 22:19:40 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 22:21:12 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:21:55 -!- f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:27:06 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:11 -!- antgreen [n=green@CPE0014bf0b631a-CM001e6b1858fa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #lisp 22:29:22 jhc [n=jhc@75.52.174.8] has joined #lisp 22:29:30 loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 22:30:45 sohail: herep? 22:30:53 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:31:27 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-242-149-174.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [No route to host] 22:31:33 Draggor, kindap 22:31:36 sup 22:32:42 I've been poking at EQL, so far it's pretty slick, but was wondering if you had any more in depth examples of it being used? 22:32:47 -!- Ogedei [n=user@78.52.232.170] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:33:05 sohail: what is the status of cl-openid? 22:34:52 Draggor, unfortunately, I don't. Did you download the file I linked? I think that had quite a few thorough examples 22:35:01 -!- jhc_ [n=jhc@adsl-68-73-101-127.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:35:02 -!- spec[afk] [n=NotMe@82.177.125.6] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:05 fusss, I don't know, sorry 22:35:33 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 22:35:41 mrSpec [n=NotMe@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 22:35:58 fusss: I read it was working for 1.0 and 2.0 22:36:01 sohail: oh, i thought you were the maintainer. saw your name attached to a parenscript + cl-openid post 22:36:16 -!- Jaearess [n=jrs@wsip-70-184-232-189.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:36:28 sohail: It's got a couple usual demo type things, got the basics down so far. 22:36:45 Know if the author is still doing any updates by any chance? 22:37:59 fusss, that would mean there are two sohails in the world. Not possible 22:38:11 Draggor, I think he is because he is using it for a commercial product 22:38:19 I don't think we can really convince him to release it 22:38:29 it's a lot of maintenance headache for him 22:38:46 sohail: i get the sarcasm, but when you thrown a "lisp" circle that venn diagram, the intersection gets smaller :-) 22:39:21 -!- emarsden [n=user@mir31-3-82-234-52-44.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:39:50 fusss, I know that's what I meant to say (no sarcasm) 22:39:54 sohail: Ahh, rats. Well, here's to hoping we get more people using the released version, and work on a fork? 22:40:45 Draggor, I'd like to. I did not use ECL so I could not use his library 22:41:07 but if I get that all important breathing room sometime soon, I'd like to port one app to it 22:41:12 one fugly app I might add 22:43:36 sohail: oh, it was someone quoting you in a reply. nm. 22:43:43 Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-21-22.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:11 fusss, link...? 22:45:05 So far ECL is fitting my needs, so I'm giving it a shot, I get QT, and I get usocket. 22:45:19 sohail: http://groups.google.com/group/weblocks/browse_thread/thread/987c75509c467b46 22:45:34 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@hq-users.caci.com] has quit [] 22:45:49 Just getting used to how the macros work 22:46:21 -!- beaumonta [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:46:24 i know cl-openid was a GSoC project from an nyc lisper, saw your name and the reference and then put 2 and 2 together, then added the carry, resulting in an off by one error. 22:46:56 eaumontab [n=abeaumon@249.pool85-49-126.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 22:47:06 manic12 [n=manic12@c-98-227-25-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:47:15 fusss, lol 22:48:29 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:50:08 HG` [n=wells@203.167.240.214] has joined #lisp 22:51:11 -!- f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:51:36 fusss: cl-openid is my project 22:51:59 fusss: and my e-mail is on cl-openid project's page, so you can mail me directly ;) 22:52:18 Draggor, I think the key thing with EQL's macros is that they make full use of Qt's meta object so you don't need to write getters/setters for each property 22:52:40 fusss: status is just as I announced at and of GSoC: before 1.0; works and so on, but hasn't been yet used in a real-world app. 22:53:59 fusss: from end of GSoC, I need to focus on finishing my Masters, and somewhere about March I will push OpenID support into a real-world webapp, see, if it will make any changes needed, and probably roll out 1.0 in second quarter of this year. 22:54:05 s/from/since/, blah 22:54:24 japhie: good to know you're here. realisticly, is openid an overkill for a personal blog? i refuse to authenticate users or sign them up. so openid makes sense. how is the overhead? 22:55:06 fusss: i usually don't hang out here, so if you need to catch me later, e-mail (or cl-openid-devel list) would be a better place. 22:55:33 fusss: It seems that openid is just for things like a blog that doesn't want to publish unauthorized comments 22:55:35 japhie: i can deploy it in a "real world" site if you want. i wasn't sure how much pain am I looking at. 22:56:00 fusss: (thought it won't solve spam problem, since spammers can easily create OpenID Provider in any domain they own) 22:56:22 japhie: riiigh, openID + captcha then? 22:56:28 It shouldn't be much pain, but I reserve rights to change API before 1.0 ;) 22:56:40 sohail: Yeah, it gives you getpr and setpr, which works nice, plus a couple other macros for specifying how objects get bound 22:56:54 not in a big way, but Anton (my mentor for GSoC) sent some remarks some time ago, that I think I'll roll into cl-openid 22:57:17 Captcha, or akismet, or whatever else seems appropriate... 22:57:25 japhie: does it require javascript? 22:57:40 No, not at all. All OpenID is HTTP redirects. 22:57:51 The user's OpenID provider may require javascript 22:58:01 (or even require user to receive a phone call) 22:58:02 sounds good to me :-) 22:58:11 but it's between user and his provider 22:58:28 oh, and you can try to check first if you can do without redirect 22:58:31 Draggor, yep :-) 22:58:32 to do e.g. AJAX login 22:58:37 if user is already authenticated 22:59:01 in cl-openid there is an example provider and consumer included 22:59:09 so you can see how does it fit together 22:59:25 japhie: cheers mate! 22:59:30 -!- matley- is now known as matley 23:00:03 I don't remember which intro to protocol itself I was learning from, I needed to switch to formal specs quickly anyway ;) so I can't refer you to anything specific (besides maybe Wikipedia) on the protocol itself. 23:00:42 But feel free to ask questions on cl-openid-devel, I'll be happy to help, and asking specific questions there will make sure answers will stay archived for future users. 23:01:09 no, i have a habit of learning mini web protocols and micro-formats on a daily basis. no worries there. 23:01:21 ok 23:01:35 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 23:05:13 fusss: oh, and thread you referred to wasn't cl-openid thread at all, I just happened to be working on cl-openid when I was replying there, and my REPL that I copied and pasted was in that package ;) 23:07:18 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-71-226-66-93.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:50 f7b5_ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 23:11:02 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:13:42 EtFb [n=etfb@mail.hatrix.com] has joined #lisp 23:15:12 -!- EtFb [n=etfb@mail.hatrix.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:15:27 EtFb [n=etfb@mail.hatrix.com] has joined #lisp 23:17:04 -!- mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4a47.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:18:01 japhie: great. will write to you via the dev mailinglist 23:18:06 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]"] 23:21:24 -!- f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:22:48 -!- salex [n=user@216.80.143.240] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:23:04 peter_12 [n=peter@S010600119506b129.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:23 -!- H4ns [n=hans@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:26:45 -!- HG` [n=wells@203.167.240.214] has quit [Client Quit] 23:27:33 Good day. 23:27:59 hello 23:28:03 -!- auclairb [n=auclairb@dhcp180-34.residence.usherb.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:28:55 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:32:50 -!- mjf [n=mjf@r9fk84.net.upc.cz] has quit [""Dew on the telephone lines.""] 23:35:32 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-98-133-128.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:56 is it bad style to have each class and its specialized methods in a separate file? 23:38:38 H4ns [n=hans@72-255-10-254.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:40 i don't think it's a bad style 23:40:13 I think it's bad style 23:40:33 (unless it's a really hairy class) 23:41:48 -!- matley [n=matley@91.80.227.104] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:41:53 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 23:42:05 more importantly, it suggests that you have worms in brain 23:42:19 heh 23:42:35 :o 23:43:18 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-232-155.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 23:47:16 weirdo: and what would you do with methods specialized on many classes? 23:47:20 ;P 23:48:04 that's not my use-case 23:48:30 It sounds *cough* c++-ish 23:48:50 in c++, java, maybe python, it is a good style; in cl, it depends on code 23:48:54 'each class in its own header, to keep namespace complexity at bay' :) 23:48:56 if it fits logically, it's good. 23:49:12 well, i noticed i reinvented message-passing 23:49:16 Ah, ok then. It wasn't just me that got the impression this sounds like C++ style :) 23:49:24 so i switched to CLOS instead and now the code is very abstract 23:49:24 it may not fit because of multimethods 23:49:50 mejja [n=user@c-4bb5e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 23:50:05 and I prefer to put logical units (e.g. DB stuff and all Postmodern DAO classes) in one file, all visual rendering in another, and so on 23:50:18 weirdo pasted "the ocaml killer" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/73556 23:50:22 because of multimethods, and because not everything needs to belong to a class. 23:50:46 f7b5__ [n=f7b5@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #lisp 23:50:53 Oh, YAPM? 23:51:02 yep 23:51:35 now i only need to write some tests and specify a developer API 23:51:50 Oh. Will you open-source it? 23:51:55 finally, toad harrop can be asked to STFU once for all 23:52:09 of course, it'll be released under a BSD-style license 23:52:43 (and will it be any better than, say, cl-unification, fare-matcher, one of arnesi's matchers, or meta-sexp?) 23:53:45 I did once some efficiency tests on matching URL schemas by different libraries, and cl-ppcre did win hands down ;) http://www.pasternacki.net/static/pmtest/Rplot001.png 23:54:20 of course I didn't need unification, nested list matching and other advanced features, but still... 23:55:30 -!- willb [n=wibenton@wireless107.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:58:02 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.204.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:58:23 ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp