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I don't know how to describe it better than that. 01:36:26 ah, i understand what did you mean 01:36:39 (defmethod (setf my-slot) (new (obj my-obj)) ...) 01:36:41 or somthing 01:37:26 -!- davazp [n=user@77.Red-83-54-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:37:42 rme: Cool, thank. 01:40:55 kidd1 [n=kidd@193.152.210.172] has joined #lisp 01:41:11 any cool lisp websites to get me excited about lisp? any cool toolkits for making neato stuff that a bonehead beginner can figure out? 01:43:00 biz897: I'm pretty happy with Weblocks, if you like web development. 01:45:16 minion: tell biz897 about that-dead-sexy-book 01:45:17 biz897: look at that-dead-sexy-book: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 01:46:56 RadioApeShot [n=toups@207.59.145.201] has joined #lisp 01:47:19 lemonodor [n=lemonodo@adsl-76-214-15-172.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:55 So common lisp packages. I have a few questions about them and library dependencies and how everything should be layed out in the source. 01:48:09 Seems like people have a packages.lisp 01:48:19 Which declares the packages in a project 01:48:45 And then other files with in-package at the top which fill the packages up 01:49:19 yes 01:49:23 My question is if your packages depend on external packages like lispbuilder where does the asdf stuff go? 01:49:38 Or is the user expected to have loaded the dependencies with asdf before hand? 01:49:40 OR what? 01:49:54 -!- mikezor [n=mikael@c-a388e253.04-404-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:50:01 RadioApeShot: in the .asd file 01:50:11 Ah 01:50:26 So there is a packages.lisp and asd file and then the source. 01:50:43 see http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 01:50:48 a little tutorial on what i do 01:50:58 Xach: Thanks. 01:51:10 -!- metasyntax [n=taylor@pool-71-188-161-219.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:53:19 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:54:10 -!- lemonodor [n=lemonodo@adsl-76-214-15-172.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:56:55 TravisD [n=travisdi@d199-126-159-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:07 thanks for the info guys 02:06:04 -!- O_4 [n=souchan@ip-118-90-101-9.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [] 02:13:02 -!- younder [i=jpthing@212251245078.customer.cdi.no] has left #lisp 02:22:05 bighouse [n=bighouse@modemcable012.160-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 02:22:29 -!- alec [n=alec@pool-71-174-175-161.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit ["leaving"] 02:22:47 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-155-185.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:49 -!- thom_logn [n=thom@pool-96-229-99-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:24:59 -!- disumu [n=disumu@p57A2609C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["..."] 02:25:06 -!- eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-155-185.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:26:57 -!- hugo [n=hugo@unaffiliated/hugo] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:29:47 -!- mozzyb [n=mozzyb@248.80-203-57.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:33:33 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:34:39 -!- bhyde [n=bhyde@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:38:58 jtoy [n=jtoy@58.63.218.55] has joined #lisp 02:52:15 Xach: You mention getting lisp into a working directory in your blog post. Is there a platform independent way of setting the working directory in CL? 02:53:23 jlf [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-19.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 02:53:27 -!- pstickne is now known as littleredridingh 02:53:44 -!- littleredridingh is now known as lilredridinghood 02:55:27 RadioApeShot: CL has no concept of a working directory really. 02:56:19 *default-pathname-defaults* is close, but not at all the same thing. 02:56:28 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM119-72-36-82.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:57:27 I have created the function to check if a file is readable. Do you think this is enough? http://paste.lisp.org/display/68345 02:58:24 -!- birdsbite [n=mark@75.110.164.248] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:58:36 cracki_ [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 02:58:58 So what is the idiomatic way of saying "look for shit in this directory" 02:59:42 Just setf (asdf:defsystem #:stumpgrinder :depends-on (#:cl-ppcre) :components ((:file "stumpgrinder"))) 02:59:45 Oops 02:59:50 Wrong thing in the past buffer 02:59:58 setf *default-pathname-defaults* 03:00:02 ? 03:03:39 anyone has statice manual in pdf ? 03:04:09 RadioApeShot: I would imagine that most implementations include a way to set the working directory. In ccl, for example, you can say (cwd "/tmp/"). In slime, you use a , repl shortcut to do a cd. 03:05:06 Hm 03:05:12 I am using Slime 03:05:37 ,cd type dir 03:05:45 Yeah 03:05:55 Ok, so I have this asd file in the current directory 03:06:05 And I have CDed there 03:06:11 As you suggested 03:06:31 But I cannot asdf:oos asdf:load-op 03:06:41 It cannot find the system I tried to create. 03:06:41 thats because cwd has nothing to do with asd loading 03:07:04 first of all choose a directory that you'll use as an index for your asd files 03:07:28 i have /Users/xristos/code/lisp/asdf 03:07:39 In addition to your systems 03:07:46 make sure it is in asdf:*central-registry* 03:07:47 Where all the library asds are? 03:08:03 put your libraries anywhere you like 03:08:15 Yeah, but the asds need to be in one place, you are telling me 03:08:18 and just link their asd files to the directory you have in the registry 03:08:29 Or a few places as long as they are in the asdf:*central-registry* 03:08:48 I see 03:09:01 Thanks 03:09:04 i i dont know if this works in windows 03:09:07 This stuff is a bit wierd 03:09:08 weird 03:09:09 It is ok 03:09:18 I don't plan on supporting windows any time soon. 03:09:28 but in unix, you just symlink the asd files to your registry dir 03:09:40 and this means you can put your libraries/code anywhere you like 03:09:45 Yeah, I am familiar with the process. 03:09:51 and load them no matter what cwd is 03:10:00 I was just wondering if there was a way to avoid it for things you are developing locally. 03:10:16 you dont have to use asdf 03:10:17 Ok 03:10:28 you can just use load 03:10:36 Seems like it is the easiest thing to do if you have library dependencies 03:10:47 But I don't really know 03:10:55 I am just trying to get a sense for what other people do. 03:11:02 This cafe is closing 03:11:05 I should head out 03:11:09 Thanks for all the help everyone. 03:11:12 I appreciate it. 03:11:14 -!- RadioApeShot [n=toups@207.59.145.201] has left #lisp 03:12:27 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM119-72-36-82.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:14:25 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:17:05 -!- enigmus [n=e@S010600119505ec11.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:21:53 wow, reading CL spec about "filenemas" is like archeosemiosyntactology... 03:24:41 but easier than trying to read that word 03:24:47 `Filenema'? 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[n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 08:53:09 jsn [n=user@c-76-117-121-94.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:53:47 tst__ [n=Tim@p4FD2E33D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:53:49 -!- jsn [n=user@c-76-117-121-94.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 08:57:11 So where are we supposed to mail to, admin@c-l.net, or rt@c-l.net? 09:00:58 lukego [n=lukegorr@cpe-76-87-84-57.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:03:19 so I wrote my first quite trivial program in this experimental Smalltalk-esque language called Pepsi. I figured I'd pbook-format it and make a blog entry out of it, to see if I could share what inside info I've learned with any interested readers. can I have an interested volunteer or two to have a read of the program and give feedback before I post it tomorrow? 09:08:04 it's only 2.5 pages long 09:09:28 -!- x6j8x [n=x6j8x@77.21.43.186] has quit [] 09:10:39 I don't know smalltalk, so I'm not sure if I can be of help. 09:10:39 -!- lilredridinghood [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:15:50 hans [n=H4ns@p57A0FE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:16:14 H4ns [n=hans@p57A0FE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:17:07 tcr: either will do 09:17:10 -!- ramus`_ [n=ramus@adsl-75-31-248-20.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:17:37 edon [n=edon@82.114.94.2] has joined #lisp 09:22:45 -!- jtoy [n=jtoy@58.63.218.55] has quit [] 09:22:52 dash__ [n=dash@dslb-088-067-000-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:23:10 ramus` [n=ramus@adsl-75-33-233-81.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 09:23:32 -!- dash_ [n=dash@dslb-088-065-136-090.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:27:26 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:29:27 bugger it I just posted it warts'n'all, night lads! 09:32:51 lukego: the pdf link is wrong 09:33:24 -!- H4nsX [n=H4ns@p57A0FB73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:33:30 x6j8x [n=x6j8x@77.21.43.186] has joined #lisp 09:33:32 michaelw: thanks! fixed 09:35:22 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0FB73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:36:53 O_4 [n=souchan@ip-118-90-92-91.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:37:04 -!- ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-62da29a655068bbd] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 09:37:22 -!- teilzeitstudent [n=teilzeit@p5B17D972.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:39:25 ok 'night 09:39:28 -!- lukego [n=lukegorr@cpe-76-87-84-57.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 09:39:42 kreuter: Ping? 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10:58:08 Yuuhi [n=user@p5483D7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:00:39 -!- lacedaemon [n=algidus@88-149-208-224.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit ["Valete!"] 11:01:01 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-208-224.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 11:01:21 sellout [n=greg@pool-138-88-27-104.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:01:23 -!- dnm [n=dnm@cpe-67-246-46-208.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:01:42 hello 11:03:37 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-12-135.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [] 11:04:12 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-12-135.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:12:42 not much: it's been night and sunday morning. usually sunday mornings aren't productive time. (saturday nights are though) 11:16:23 yeah. 11:19:28 yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:19:29 -!- yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 11:23:19 heh, unless is called when-not in Clojure. 11:25:20 ejs [n=eugen@94.178.50.156] has joined #lisp 11:25:38 -!- ejs is now known as ejs_ 11:29:13 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@166.pool85-54-98.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:29:16 -!- ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b3afef1afe6d98d3] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 11:36:11 AshyIsMe [n=User@b415.adsl.ecomtel.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:38:25 -!- besiria [n=user@ppp083212086100.dsl.uom.gr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:38:59 yCrazyEdd [n=CrazyEdd@220-253-27-65.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #lisp 11:40:03 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:40:20 -!- yCrazyEdd is now known as CrazyEddy 11:43:35 -!- davazp [n=user@77.Red-83-54-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:47:35 hmmm, chat = productive, wouldn't necessarily have thought so. 11:47:56 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 11:49:50 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 11:50:22 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 11:54:14 allnmymind [n=user@bas3-ottawa10-1279680047.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 11:54:32 ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9deebb85bfb7ceea] has joined #lisp 11:56:55 birdsbite [n=mark@75.110.164.248] has joined #lisp 11:57:14 -!- ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9deebb85bfb7ceea] has quit [Client Quit] 12:00:02 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:01:43 ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d14461a863b4104b] has joined #lisp 12:03:10 mstevens [n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org] has joined #lisp 12:06:26 -!- cads1 [n=Max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:14:29 -!- spiderbyte|zZz [n=dcl@unaffiliated/dcl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:15:59 -!- hans is now known as H4nsX 12:17:13 -!- gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-2-148-46.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:17:57 gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-155-193-210.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:19:32 manuel_ [n=manuel@port-92-205-28-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:20:28 -!- ejs_ [n=eugen@94.178.50.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:23:38 ejs [n=eugen@13-153-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 12:23:53 -!- ejs is now known as ejs0 12:23:54 -!- awayekos is now known as anekos 12:26:56 besiria [n=user@ppp083212086100.dsl.uom.gr] has joined #lisp 12:28:31 Fufie [n=punchbal@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 12:30:20 good afternoon 12:30:25 hi beach 12:31:47 *beach* listens to "Gravity" by "Anekdoten". 12:32:56 kidd2 [n=kidd@193.152.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:33:05 Swedish band? 12:33:11 yep 12:33:37 I saw them in concert here in Bordeaux only a few months ago. 12:34:02 -!- kidd1 [n=kidd@193.152.210.172] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:35:35 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:36:11 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:44 allnmymi` [n=user@bas3-ottawa10-1279680047.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 12:37:41 -!- mulligan` is now known as mulligan 12:37:48 -!- mstevens [n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org] has quit ["away"] 12:44:00 Hun [n=Hun@p4FCF6748.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:52 Is anyone aware of a Common Lisp library for manipulating ELF files? 13:00:31 beach: i think i have seen a project along those lines, but no names are springing to mind 13:00:35 it might be as boring as "cl-elf" 13:00:57 Hmm, OK. I thought I googled for stuff like that. 13:01:39 Xach: seems like you are right. 13:01:40 malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbba721.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 13:03:15 brandelune [n=JC@pl176.nas934.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:06:19 Relatively recent too. By John Connors. 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Compiled code would be represented as ordinary vectors of (unsigned-byte 8). It would probably be somewhat slower to load, and somewhat bigger than a binary format. Anything else? 14:53:42 er, too many "of". 14:54:13 cihicyh [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 14:54:34 beach: if it's just the binary data written out as #( ... ) i don't really see the advantage. 14:54:53 ramus` [n=ramus@adsl-75-34-3-115.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:08 clisp has something similar as its fasl format, fwiw 14:55:14 segv_: Not just that, no. It would be loadable by the source loader. 14:55:35 cmm: ah, interesting. 14:56:13 easier when the binary code is not machine code, so you don't need to care about endianness etc 14:56:57 I can see that, yes. 14:58:28 -!- spiderbyte|zZz [n=dcl@216.96.36.112] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:58:53 -!- l_n [n=lordnoth@tuxhacker/lordnothing] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:59:40 beach: there's no disadvantage. That's how clisp does it. With a #Y dispatching reader macro. 15:00:34 pjb: thanks! 15:01:14 It also helps making the fasl files concatenatable. 15:01:42 pjb: Yeah, I can see many advantages. 15:02:42 cmm: clisp does care about endianness and register width, iirc. 15:03:19 pkhuong: oh! 15:03:41 For image and fas, yes. 15:04:09 -!- mulligan [n=user@e179034090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:07:03 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:07:07 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:07:55 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:08:10 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:08:14 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:09:00 -!- ramus`_ [n=ramus@adsl-75-31-253-70.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09:43 -!- allnmymind [n=user@bas3-ottawa10-1279680047.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09:52 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 15:10:27 -!- allnmymi` [n=user@bas3-ottawa10-1279680047.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:13:58 -!- malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbba721.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:17:14 -!- cihicyh [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:17:40 xasok [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 15:19:03 -!- xasok [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:19:30 nekyrebul [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 15:19:55 pjb: I couldn't see anything about it in the implementation notes. 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If so, will it remain the discussion forum for c-l.net development? 17:08:44 -!- seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E44AF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:12:03 jmbr [n=jmbr@87.223.197.81] has joined #lisp 17:12:15 /clear 17:12:32 Paraselene__ [n=None@79-68-228-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 17:14:28 borism [n=boris@195-50-206-125-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 17:14:57 btbngr [n=btbngr@5ad9f271.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 17:21:36 dnm [n=dnm@cpe-67-246-46-208.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:07 prip [n=_prip@host193-177-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:30:02 -!- sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:30:11 sladegen [n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen] has joined #lisp 17:31:19 manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:31:19 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:31:23 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:35:34 -!- spiderbyte|zZz [n=dcl@h21.118.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:38:04 lui1 [n=luis@bl5-52-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:38:42 -!- lui1 is now known as luis 17:38:45 -!- lukego_ [n=lukegorr@cpe-76-87-84-57.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [] 17:43:40 spiderbyte [n=dcl@unaffiliated/dcl] has joined #lisp 17:47:55 ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has joined #lisp 17:48:03 -!- ak70 [n=ak70@195.158.90.55] has left #lisp 17:56:31 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:59:22 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 18:05:25 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:06:41 seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:42 -!- vygy [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:08:43 -!- sabetts [n=sabetts@S0106000a95700fd8.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:09:18 -!- seelenquell__ [n=seelenqu@pD9E444CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:11:58 myjawate [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 18:15:34 amnesiac [n=amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 18:18:29 -!- esden___ [n=esdentem@91-67-156-25-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:19:37 -!- seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 18:21:54 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:09 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 18:25:46 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:26:13 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=Andy@222.212.135.101] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:27:29 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 18:28:11 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@220-253-27-65.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #lisp 18:29:07 nurv101 [n=askmefor@bl10-156-247.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:32:42 btbngr` [n=btbngr@5ad9f271.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 18:32:47 ehu: i never heard of that group before 18:33:37 yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:35:58 dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 18:36:36 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37:28 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:40:15 -!- anekos is now known as awayekos 18:42:41 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:43:06 -!- btbngr [n=btbngr@5ad9f271.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:43:17 -!- awayekos is now known as anekos 18:45:28 Kingo [n=Habs@x-132-204-253-186.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 18:47:00 h4nsX: clo-devel is one of the mailing lists on c-l.net. 18:47:41 -!- Kingo [n=Habs@x-132-204-253-186.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit ["#lisp"] 18:47:41 ehu: yeah, that much i figured, but i did not knoww the purpose. 18:48:24 ehu: i have never received any formal introduction or anything, just so you know. 18:48:37 is there any way to do something like a map over a multi-dimensional array? (ie, without an explicit loop or dotimes()) 18:49:05 Tordek: there's always a way to add a function abstraction over anything! 18:49:16 -!- manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:49:21 manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:49:36 Tordek: series can do that. 18:49:37 (maparray (function do-something-with) array) 18:49:38 Hun [n=Hun@82.149.80.128] has joined #lisp 18:50:09 petere [n=peter@209-6-234-57.c3-0.sbo-ubr3.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:18 -!- btbngr` is now known as btbngr 18:51:59 H4nsX: that's alright. I think you can deduce this information from statements somewhere on the website 18:52:32 drewc: do you plan to create a news item about the move on the front page? 18:52:40 Tordek: a better question would be what is harder, locating, downloading, compiling and installing a library such as series, then finding the right function to do that, or implementing maparray... 18:53:48 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:11 Tordek: given that the later is a oneliner... 18:55:02 -!- nurv101 [n=askmefor@bl10-156-247.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:56:12 julianmorrison [n=julian@extropian.demon.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:56:41 `(howdy ,lispers) 18:57:15 perhaps `(howdy ,@lispers) if you have several lispers in a list ;-) 18:57:25 *julianmorrison* is looking for help with the postmodern DB library, anyone here know it 18:57:32 haha, true 18:58:17 *pjb* has never used postmodern. 18:58:43 I can't get the dratted query syntax to work, and the docs are no use :-( 18:59:12 -!- manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:59:13 manuel___ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:59:17 *julianmorrison* is just trying to get it to do "select * from foo where X order by Y", drat it 18:59:24 -!- besiria [n=user@ppp083212084127.dsl.uom.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:00:07 -!- manuel___ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:00:40 julianmorrison: please paste somewhere the exact query you want 19:00:44 enigmus [n=e@S010600119505ec11.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:51 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 19:00:56 -!- dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:01:04 disumu [n=disumu@p57A260B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:29 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:01:31 (sql (:select '* :from 'comic :where (:is-null 'last-read) :order-by 'updated)) -> fails complaining that where takes only one argument 19:02:21 and some permutations of parens work but produce garble 19:02:30 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:03:05 (sql (:select '* :from 'comic (:where (:is-null 'last-read)) :order-by 'updated)) -> "(SELECT * FROM comic, \"where\"((last_read IS NULL)), order_by, updated)" 19:03:27 I would try: (sql (:select '* :from 'comic :where (:is-null 'last-read) :order-by 'updated)) 19:03:33 this DSL needs a nice predictable evaluation order. like, um, lisp 19:04:03 pjb: fails, "where takes one argument" 19:04:31 did you type it correctly? :where (blah blah) is one argument. 19:04:39 pasted it 19:04:47 weird error message! 19:05:33 I could paste the exact message but it would flood the channel 19:05:44 HIN-SMA> (postmodern:sql (:order-by (:select '* :from 'comic (:where (:is-null 'last-read))) 19:05:44 'updated)) 19:05:44 "((SELECT * FROM comic, \"where\"((last_read IS NULL))) ORDER BY updated)" 19:05:53 ..ithink.. 19:06:29 lisppaste: url 19:06:29 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 19:06:34 lnostdal: that is trying to treat where as a col name? madness 19:07:15 ohright .. i'm tired .. can try again 19:07:26 julianmorrison pasted "The stack trace" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/68379 19:07:40 lnostdal annotated #68379 with "again" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/68379#1 19:07:53 mib_snojsn [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d15d18f897833a6b] has joined #lisp 19:08:34 well ***** me, it worked 19:08:41 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:51 ..i'm basing this on guesswork / something similar in my code 19:08:52 ok 19:08:53 :> 19:09:03 order-by goes around the select... that's pathological, and yet right in a wierd way 19:09:17 yeah, just position things vertical .. and align 19:09:22 lisp-style 19:11:14 H4nsX: then you probably didn't know about trac for clo either? /me just noticed that there's a trac for clo 19:11:27 mib_snojsn: certainly not. 19:11:41 -!- mib_snojsn is now known as ehu` 19:11:46 mib_snojsn: i can only guess and work from request tracker emails 19:12:18 dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 19:12:32 H4nsX: mib_snojsn is now ehu` 19:14:02 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:42 TravisD [n=travisdi@d199-126-159-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:59 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:15:11 Everytime I press space in emacs using slime, it beeps at me and says "Symbol's function definition is void: name" in the minibuffer 19:15:18 does anyone know why this happens? 19:16:10 press control-g afew times 19:16:39 julianmorrison: (postmodern:sql (:order-by (:select '* :from 'comic :where (:is-null 'last-read)) 'updated)) -> "((SELECT * FROM comic WHERE (last_read IS NULL)) ORDER BY updated)" 19:16:49 Didn't seem to do anything (this happens every time I try to use it) 19:17:14 It's true that it's strange that :order-by can't be put inside the select, like :where... 19:17:55 pjb: it makes an odd sort of functional-programming sense, applying the order by to the result of the select 19:20:42 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 19:21:33 TravisD: you might also have gotten extremely unlucky when you updated your slime. From time to time, HEAD is broken. 19:21:55 perhaps 19:22:02 I just installed it yesterday, though 19:22:19 I just looked in the error buffer or something 19:22:27 TravisD: installed it from where? 19:22:55 it says: "Error: (void-function name); slime-autodoc mode now disabled. slime-autodoc-global-at-point: Symbol's function definition is void: name [2 times 19:23:03 macports 19:24:12 -!- TravisD [n=travisdi@d199-126-159-163.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [] 19:25:33 thanks all and bye 19:25:38 -!- julianmorrison [n=julian@extropian.demon.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:25:41 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:26:05 pjb: :order may be outside the (select) because of unions 19:26:46 as of now the version of slime macports has is "20080901, Revision 3", whatever that means 19:26:48 ie (:order-by (:union (:select '* :from 'a) (:select '* :from 'b))) 19:27:02 -!- kidd2 [n=kidd@193.152.210.172] has quit ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 19:27:05 -!- toddje [n=toddje@ottawa-hs-209-217-110-157.d-ip.magma.ca] has left #lisp 19:28:05 er, forgot a sort criteria there 19:30:44 ThePub [n=nathan@host-122-143-3-96.midco.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:16 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:33:32 -!- ivarrefsdal [n=ivarrefs@sos1-1x-dhcp072.studby.uio.no] has quit [] 19:33:51 -!- enigmus [n=e@S010600119505ec11.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:35:29 rvirding [n=chatzill@h235n3c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 19:36:43 petere_ [n=peter@209-6-234-57.c3-0.sbo-ubr3.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 19:37:55 -!- sellout [n=greg@pool-138-88-27-104.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 19:38:39 manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:39:01 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:49 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:14 -!- umis [n=umis@prudent-gloryer.volia.net] has quit [] 19:49:46 TravisD [n=travisdi@d199-126-159-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:56 Sorry pkhuong. My battery died, haha. I installed slime, emacs, and sbcl all from macports 19:50:07 seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:25 -!- manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:52:55 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:52:58 -!- petere [n=peter@209-6-234-57.c3-0.sbo-ubr3.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:55:52 manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:55:56 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:58:48 -!- andrewks [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-234.d-ip.magma.ca] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20:01:39 I'm getting this error when using slime after I press the space bar in either the repl or the editor. "slime-autodoc-global-at-point: Symbol's function definition is void" Does anyone know how I can avoid this? 20:02:25 well at least it's traffic 20:02:42 sorry wc 20:03:04 TravisD: well, turning off arglist display would probably avoid it... 20:06:15 what do you suppose the underlying cause is? 20:06:37 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E469F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:06:54 given my own experience with slime...a bad set of loaded slime contribs that 20:07:00 (one depending on another that's not loaded) 20:07:28 I'm kind of new to emacs and slime. Do you think a reinstall is required? 20:07:40 that would be something to fix in your .emacs 20:07:46 ah, alright :) 20:08:18 look for where slime-autodoc-global-at-point is defined, if it is, and make sure you're loading it 20:08:32 if I post my .emacs file, will you take a look? I'm not exactly sure what that means 20:09:42 http://rafb.net/p/FXRwQC24.html 20:10:41 syamajala2 [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:57 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 20:11:30 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 20:12:10 trebor_home [n=trebor@dslb-084-058-211-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:21 enigmus [n=e@S010600119505ec11.vs.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:40 -!- joga [i=joga@unaffiliated/joga] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:13:01 -!- dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:14:14 O_4 [n=souchan@ip-118-90-126-241.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 20:14:57 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:58 -!- x6j8x [n=x6j8x@77.21.43.186] has quit [] 20:15:04 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 20:15:14 TravisD: hm I have basically the same list (but with slime 2008-08-11) 20:19:21 njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has joined #lisp 20:20:32 -!- seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20:21:25 name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #lisp 20:21:40 -!- yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 20:22:02 -!- Aankhen`` [n=pockled@122.162.154.37] has quit [" The answer, my friends, is blowing out your brains."] 20:22:43 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:22:44 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:55 stassats [n=stassats@ppp78-37-130-145.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 20:24:26 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:25:32 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:27:22 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:07 MHOOO [n=nah@u-7-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:29:44 Anyone can tell me how I can set a minor-mode in emacs depending on the file-name in my .emacs? 20:30:11 MHOOO: #emacs would be a better place for that question. 20:30:19 yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 20:30:48 Hmm, alright then. 20:31:10 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:33:18 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FEAFD83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:36:39 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E43789.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:42 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-98-244-152-196.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:12 -!- ThePub [n=nathan@host-122-143-3-96.midco.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:46:59 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@82.193.208.195] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:52:29 -!- hugo [n=hugo@unaffiliated/hugo] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:52:32 -!- manuel__ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:53:09 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:53:30 jlf [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-19.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:22 LiamH [n=nobody@pool-138-88-126-7.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:06 Ijeroj__ [n=nah@u-6-199.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:57:41 kij [n=user@x1-6-00-0c-f6-20-8c-57.k102.webspeed.dk] has joined #lisp 21:02:42 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-253-20.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:04:20 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:04:36 Joreji [n=nah@u-6-086.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:05:31 impulse32 [n=impulse@CPE001195396746-CM001ac3167610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:07:01 -!- TravisD [n=travisdi@d199-126-159-163.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [] 21:07:22 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0FE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:07:34 -!- MHOOO [n=nah@u-7-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:07:49 -!- Ijeroj__ [n=nah@u-6-199.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:08:34 -!- rindolf [n=shlomi@bzq-219-139-216.static.bezeqint.net] has quit ["Yay! I'm a Llama again!"] 21:10:00 hey #lisp - i accidentally used a defconstant - where i should have used a defparameter, how do i reclaim that variable name ? can i reset my sbcl image without restarting it ? 21:10:27 - 21:11:03 makunbound? 21:11:11 -!- Fufie [n=punchbal@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:14:52 rottcodd [n=user@ppp59-167-47-200.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:47 -!- xjrn [n=jim@c-69-181-213-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:15:47 NoorDextor [n=NoorDext@unaffiliated/noordextor] has joined #lisp 21:17:39 -!- jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:19:11 -!- enigmus [n=e@S010600119505ec11.vs.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:19:33 -!- tst__ [n=Tim@p4FD2E33D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 21:19:45 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:20:55 bhyde [n=bhyde@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:51 :tic *c-data-for-problem-11* is still T for symbolp and constantp ? 21:22:24 -!- yhara [n=yhara@84.215.12.221.megaegg.ne.jp] has quit ["Leaving..."] 21:22:28 unintern the symbol (: 21:22:38 H4ns [n=hans@p57A0FE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:54 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0FE07.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 21:23:34 (makunbound '*c-data-for-problem-11*) 21:25:04 antifuchs wins :) 21:25:42 you'll probably need to recompile code that used the symbol 21:25:45 oh, unintern exists. d'oh. 21:26:19 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:57 -!- schasi [n=schasi@p54A2562B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:27:44 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.19] has joined #lisp 21:30:36 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:32:47 it it posible to reset a running image ? 21:33:14 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 21:37:07 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.19] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:38:18 kij: how would that work? 21:39:19 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-042-098-200.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:39:20 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:39:30 -!- myjawate [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:43:16 -!- Ifur [i=osm@27.85-200-158.bkkb.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:44:26 kij: often, it works to delete the package you were working in; this does not remove /all/ traces, but it's often good enough. 21:44:44 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.19] has joined #lisp 21:45:34 pkhuong: each time compile i get loads of style-warnings redefining funtions and suchs. i would like to make sure my code would work on a clean image. 21:45:57 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:46:32 antifuchs: oh - so thats why we put things into packages. 21:46:50 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [] 21:46:52 no, that this works some of the time is a neat side-effect (: 21:47:08 *looking up defpackage 21:47:21 it's a namespace tool, primarily 21:48:08 wivil [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 21:50:24 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:50:53 antifuchs: i guess http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html is credible ? 21:51:42 MHOOO [n=nah@3-033.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:56:00 -!- ecraven [n=nex@plc31-103.linzag.net] has quit ["bbl"] 21:56:56 very. 21:56:57 *Xach* hopes so 21:57:06 -!- wivil [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:57:18 it's one of the best guides for this sort of thing, currently 21:57:31 actually, the most recent, and a very good one, which should make it the best (-: 21:57:56 zojidonu [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 21:59:15 if you're in slime, ,restart-inferior-lisp at the REPL will give you a fresh image. 22:00:03 -!- eaumontab [n=abeaumon@166.pool85-54-98.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:00:47 eaumontab [n=abeaumon@166.pool85-54-98.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 22:01:48 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:20 -!- guenther__ [n=guenther@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:02:23 guenther__ [n=guenther@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has joined #lisp 22:06:19 -!- ehu` [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d15d18f897833a6b] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 22:06:19 -!- ehu [i=52aa21ad@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d14461a863b4104b] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 22:06:51 -!- Hun [n=Hun@82.149.80.128] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:08:08 -!- eaumontab is now known as abeaumont 22:08:19 -!- btbngr [n=btbngr@5ad9f271.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:10:06 -!- Joreji [n=nah@u-6-086.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:13:48 -!- obsethryl [n=llort@unaffiliated/obsethryl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:14:40 What webserver do people use with CL sites? 22:15:39 -!- zojidonu [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:16:09 I know about hunchentoot, but I'm also aware of ways to stick it behind apache or lighhttpd? 22:16:30 mogunus: That's strange, I never saw people as a question such as: "What webserver do people use with C++ sites?" 22:16:30 xygydyw [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has joined #lisp 22:16:33 that's what I want. 22:16:36 a fastcgi interface. 22:16:38 s/as a/ask a/ 22:16:47 ther was one, mogunus, it looks abandoned. 22:17:02 it should be easy with the ffi to bind to the c fastcgi. 22:17:10 then all you would need is a dispatcher. 22:17:31 s/abandoned/like it just works/ 22:17:33 i've just not looked yet, haven't looked at the web frameworks deep enough. many of them seem hunchentoot backed. 22:17:40 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-105-1-102.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 22:17:43 you could always use lighty or apache's mod_proxy. 22:17:53 i prefer nginx's proxy engine. 22:18:55 pjb: you're the first who has comfirmed that. 22:18:59 bougyman: hee hee. I've recently had some interesting experiences with the load-"balancing" that nginx does (: 22:19:00 pjb: that's great to know, though. 22:19:16 antifuchs: i've only used it for simple things. 22:19:21 pjb: Sorry, stupid question. I want to use a CL framework for my site. Trying to figure out where I should start/what the backend should be. 22:19:34 antifuchs: for anything complex I go to lighttpd with lua for the request handling (mod_magnet) 22:19:44 mogunus: there are several web server written in CL. 22:19:57 bougyman: yeah, this setup was complicated, and it was dispatching to multiple rails processes... I think we'll need to switch to lighty soon. 22:19:58 mogunus: a good way to find them would be to search on http://cliki.net/ 22:20:09 antifuchs: for that, certainly 22:20:13 not only lighty, lighty 1.5 22:20:37 1.4 can't do subdir apps very well (a la mod_passenger) 22:20:46 noted. thanks (: 22:21:33 -!- syamajala2 [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:21:56 dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 22:23:06 -!- rvirding [n=chatzill@h235n3c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 22:24:46 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:24:55 -!- xygydyw [n=pear@193.43.249.169] has quit [K-lined] 22:27:44 Various tutorials seem to use only hunchentoot and an HTML generator. 22:27:57 Trying to figure out what running hunchentoot behind apache gets me? 22:28:50 apache/lighttpd just forward the HTTP request, with no changes, to hunchentoot 22:28:51 mogunus: nothing. I'd run both apache and hunchentoot behind pound. 22:29:04 *Xach* uses nginx and it works well too 22:29:24 pjb: pound? 22:29:54 antifuchs: what are you looking at, weblocks/ucw? 22:30:30 http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ 22:31:51 we use ipvs for some of those functions, lighttpd for others. 22:32:28 well, ipvs does 2 and 5, lighty does 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6 22:38:43 -!- edon [n=edon@albalug/edon] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:43:11 Can someone recommend a web framework to read about? I want to write myself a simple blog in CL. 22:43:53 hunchentoot is pretty simple. 22:43:57 don't really need a framework for that .. hunchentoot, cl-who, postmodern, alexandria+cl-utilities .. that's it 22:45:30 Okay. That's good. 22:45:32 ..that's the framework .. and lisp is the "glue" 22:46:57 btbngr [n=btbngr@5ad9f271.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:17 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-12-135.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:52:29 For authentication, it seems like the only thing in hunchentoot (require-authorization) only does basic http authentication. 22:52:44 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-12-135.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:53:26 just use a cookie 22:54:47 -!- disumu [n=disumu@p57A260B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["..."] 22:55:17 or hunchentoot has a built-in session thing .. (which sets a cookie for you) 22:56:14 for login a form is used .. if you need the transmitted data to be encrypted, hunchentoot can do ssl 22:59:33 -!- njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has quit ["cereal port not responfing!"] 22:59:34 -!- gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-155-193-210.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:59:35 Okay. Definetely need the transmitted data (login/pass) to be encrypted. 23:00:14 ok, it's probably possible to let apache do it for you (or hunchentoot) 23:00:20 ..i've never tried that 23:00:30 i usually let the proxy deal with it 23:00:50 drewc: which proxy do you use for that? 23:01:42 mogunus: have you looked at weblocks or uncommon web? 23:01:54 mogunus: i've been using pound, but i think i'm leaning back toward mod_proxy. i don't really need the load balancing, and apache has some other goodies. 23:02:10 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM119-72-24-238.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:02:18 Is there a function like return in some other languages? (return some value and exit) 23:02:22 mogunus: and yeah, i have a new UCW release happening next week. 23:02:32 tomoyuki28jp: what do you mean "exit"? 23:02:44 bougyman: I've looked at both. They don't really make sense to me, honestly. 23:02:45 mogunus: uncommon web is a framework for doing web application. 23:03:05 mogunus: weblocks is an mvc. 23:03:08 tomoyuki28jp: return-from is probably what you are looking for. 23:04:06 *drewc* leaves 23:04:41 there's symbolicweb too, mogunus .. i don't know if i can recommend it though; there is 0 documentation (well, some docstrings here and there..) etc. 23:05:33 gmlk [n=gmlk@alicia.demon.nl] has joined #lisp 23:06:06 drewc: pjb: yes, return-from was the one. thanks. 23:06:20 gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c007h037.acad.reed.edu] has joined #lisp 23:06:28 ..it's way overkill for a simple blog really 23:06:33 tomoyuki28jp: you actually wanted to type: (APROPOS "RETURN") 23:07:42 _ace4016_ [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-253-20.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:07:42 pjb: oh, the APROPOS function is nice. I will use that in the future. thanks. 23:08:02 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-253-20.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:08:49 -!- gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c007h037.acad.reed.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 23:08:59 UCW looks really good, but I don't understand the docs (tutorials and such) at all. I guess I'll download it and try to figure it out from there. 23:09:06 slime has an apropos btw.; M-x slime-apropos 23:09:30 gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c007h037.acad.reed.edu] has joined #lisp 23:09:41 -!- gottesmm [n=gottesmm@c007h037.acad.reed.edu] has left #lisp 23:10:58 (C-c C-d C-a) 23:13:57 spacebat_ [n=akhasha@124-171-84-254.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:15:35 -!- bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-240-8.dsl.look.ca] has quit ["Where is the glory in complying with demands?"] 23:15:54 gigamonk` [n=user@adsl-99-184-204-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:36 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 23:22:21 yCrazyEdd [n=CrazyEdd@220-253-27-65.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:22:38 -!- yCrazyEdd is now known as creddy 23:22:50 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:22:59 rlpowell [n=rlpowell@chain.digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 23:24:49 I've got a thread running that I believe is caught in an infinite loop. Can that thread be interrupted and debugged in slime? I'd like to preserve the stack so I can see what is holding up execution 23:25:26 gonzojive: i've done something like that by writing a function that saves the backtrace-as-list to a file and using sb-thread:interrupt-thread on the thread inquestion 23:26:16 it's not quite debugging in slime, though 23:26:29 i think you can do it in slime, not sure exactly how. 23:26:53 -!- spacebat [n=akhasha@202-161-20-161.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:27:14 -!- Yuuhi [n=user@p5483D7F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:28:47 thom_logn [n=thom@pool-96-229-99-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:27 <_deepfire> beach, what do you want to do with ELF? 23:39:44 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:47 sabetts [n=sabetts@S0106000a95700fd8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:06 postamar [n=postamar@76-10-148-183.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:41:55 mulligan [n=user@e178003048.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:43:42 -!- blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:44:01 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM119-72-24-238.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:44:16 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.19] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:45:56 -!- O_4 [n=souchan@ip-118-90-126-241.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [] 23:46:16 yangsx [n=yangsx@218.247.244.25] has joined #lisp 23:48:02 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 23:49:18 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM119-72-24-238.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:50:12 Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 23:52:06 Is there a function like defined-function or do I have to create it my own with using like handler-case? (I did search with using (apropos "function"), but couldn't find it.) 23:54:13 -!- milanj [n=milan@77.46.251.69] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:54:40 tomoyuki28jp: fboundp 23:55:45 Xach: oh yes, it is the one I was looking for a long... thanks a lot!