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2018-08-01T20:58:43Z ferada: just wait a few ... days i guess. you might also have luck asking your question as well 2018-08-01T21:00:16Z reg32: I would like to help with improving ccl debugging capabilities 2018-08-01T21:00:27Z reg32: for example I would like to help implementing a stepper 2018-08-01T21:01:51Z reg32: so I was looking for somebody that could at least provide some pointers or starting points 2018-08-01T21:06:40Z sielicki joined #ccl 2018-08-01T21:06:43Z sielicki: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 2018-08-01T21:06:59Z sielicki quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2018-08-01T21:07:03Z ferada: reg32: i'd suggest staying around then. have you tried #lisp yet? 2018-08-01T21:07:25Z reg32: this is a clozure specifc question 2018-08-01T21:07:55Z reg32: I am speaking about getting hints on the internal of the cll compiler/debugger 2018-08-01T21:19:05Z gpolitis21 joined #ccl 2018-08-01T21:19:08Z gpolitis21: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 2018-08-01T21:19:12Z gpolitis21: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ 2018-08-01T21:19:15Z gpolitis21: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate 2018-08-01T21:19:18Z gpolitis21: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ 2018-08-01T21:20:04Z gpolitis21 quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) 2018-08-01T21:20:39Z pjb: reg32: what's wrong with cl-stepper? 2018-08-01T21:21:50Z reg32: that it's a workaround? 2018-08-01T21:21:59Z reg32: and a native stepper is better? 2018-08-01T21:22:09Z reg32: just what you have in sbcl? 2018-08-01T21:22:22Z pjb: Then use sbcl? 2018-08-01T21:23:32Z reg32: sbcl doesn't work well on windows 2018-08-01T21:23:49Z pjb: Just use it to debug the function you need to debug. 2018-08-01T21:24:05Z reg32: pjb thanks for the suggestion 2018-08-01T21:24:27Z reg32: but my question is whether someone can provide me some pointers on some aspects of ccl internals 2018-08-01T21:24:33Z reg32: for me this is the objective 2018-08-01T21:25:30Z pjb: The mailing list openmcl-devel@clozure.com is for general and technical discussion of Clozure CL. 2018-08-01T21:25:43Z pjb: Otherwise, read the sources. 2018-08-01T21:27:27Z jem20 joined #ccl 2018-08-01T21:27:31Z jem20: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 2018-08-01T21:27:35Z jem20: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ 2018-08-01T21:27:38Z jem20: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate 2018-08-01T21:27:41Z jem20: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ 2018-08-01T21:28:46Z jem20 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-01T21:33:01Z reg32: thanks for the help pjb 2018-08-01T21:33:06Z reg32: you have been very helpful 2018-08-01T21:33:10Z reg32: and obviously 2018-08-01T21:33:22Z reg32: you have never touched any open source project before in your life 2018-08-01T21:33:27Z reg32: without some directions 2018-08-01T21:33:34Z pierpa joined #ccl 2018-08-01T21:33:35Z reg32: "reading the sources" can take weeks 2018-08-01T21:34:14Z reg32 left #ccl 2018-08-01T21:44:04Z Random joined #ccl 2018-08-01T21:44:08Z Random: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 2018-08-01T21:44:11Z Random: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ 2018-08-01T21:44:15Z Random: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate 2018-08-01T21:44:18Z Random: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ 2018-08-01T21:44:44Z Random quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) 2018-08-01T21:46:57Z reg32 joined #ccl 2018-08-01T21:49:50Z reg32 is now known as reg_32 2018-08-01T21:57:37Z pjb: reg_32: I have never taken any direction before reading the sources. 2018-08-01T21:58:17Z pjb: reg_32: the unfortunate fact of life, is that all the questions I ask, never receive an informed answer. I always have to find the answer myself, reading the sources myself. 2018-08-01T21:58:27Z pjb: I call that being a programmer. 2018-08-01T22:01:37Z reg_32: ok 2018-08-01T22:01:46Z reg_32: thanks for telling me that you are a programmer 2018-08-01T22:02:09Z reg_32: I have been working as a programmer for 20 years now and started writing assembler on a commodore 16 when I was 13 2018-08-01T22:02:41Z reg_32: I don't have two weeks to stare at the source code and find what I need 2018-08-01T22:02:54Z pjb: When you were 13, did you just copy the sources from journals, or did you invent new assembler programs? 2018-08-01T22:03:27Z pjb: reg_32: I assume you have those two weeks, since your purpose is not to debug your function with cl-stepper, but to improve ccl. 2018-08-01T22:04:55Z reg_32: you are assuming a lot of things 2018-08-01T22:05:02Z reg_32: you assume that you know it better than me 2018-08-01T22:05:09Z pjb: Yes, :-) 2018-08-01T22:05:20Z reg_32: how old are you? 2018-08-01T22:05:27Z pjb: Does it matter at all? 2018-08-01T22:05:31Z reg_32: definetely 2018-08-01T22:05:33Z pjb: Is age the new penis size? 2018-08-01T22:05:36Z reg_32: no 2018-08-01T22:05:45Z reg_32: age it's the new experience size 2018-08-01T22:05:50Z pjb: I started programming before 1975. 2018-08-01T22:05:50Z reg_32: how old are you? 2018-08-01T22:06:03Z reg_32: ok 2018-08-01T22:06:09Z reg_32: so you are 55 something 2018-08-01T22:07:11Z pjb: Also you must consider that it's Summer, so people, I mean, Clozure employees, might be on holidays. 2018-08-01T22:07:44Z zeroed11 joined #ccl 2018-08-01T22:07:48Z zeroed11: With our IRC ad service you can reach a global audience of entrepreneurs and fentanyl addicts with extraordinary engagement rates! https://williampitcock.com/ 2018-08-01T22:07:51Z zeroed11: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/ 2018-08-01T22:07:55Z zeroed11: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate 2018-08-01T22:07:58Z zeroed11: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/ 2018-08-01T22:08:44Z zeroed11 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-01T22:11:36Z reg_32: I am rebuilding ccl with (debug 3) 2018-08-01T22:11:44Z reg_32: then I will spend no more than 2 days 2018-08-01T22:11:48Z reg_32: staring at the code 2018-08-01T22:12:01Z reg_32: then if I find a way to solve it I'll do it 2018-08-01T22:12:08Z reg_32: else I'll f**k it up 2018-08-01T22:15:02Z pjb: honestly, ccl is the most readable implementation sources you'll find (apart perhaps from sicl). 2018-08-01T22:15:29Z reg_32: still reading code takes time 2018-08-01T22:15:33Z pjb: if you use slime M-. you will find what to patch and how to implement the stepper easily. 2018-08-01T22:15:45Z reg_32: time that could be saved by getting one or two hints/pointers 2018-08-01T22:17:03Z rpg joined #ccl 2018-08-01T22:19:47Z reg_32: how long does it take to compile ccl from sources 2018-08-01T22:19:53Z reg_32: do you know at least this? 2018-08-01T22:20:27Z reg_32: it's been stuck on ccl/compiler/optimizers.lisp for a while 2018-08-01T22:21:59Z pjb: Well, if you have a look at cl-stepper, you will notice that I defined each special operator (as a macro). You would find that special operators are defined in ccl compiler in the file nx1.lisp. 2018-08-01T22:22:15Z pjb: reg_32: It's fast enough. 2018-08-01T22:22:38Z sjl_ quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.2-dev) 2018-08-01T22:23:00Z pjb: ccl has also one of the fastest compiler. 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It would be great if those constants could be introduced as well, and all of them exported from ccl. 2018-08-10T17:03:57Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-10T17:04:15Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-10T17:40:19Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-10T17:41:15Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-10T17:41:59Z pierpal quit (Client Quit) 2018-08-10T17:42:50Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-10T19:00:27Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-10T19:28:25Z jmercouris joined #ccl 2018-08-10T19:54:47Z stylewarning quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-08-10T19:56:25Z stylewarning joined #ccl 2018-08-10T20:05:30Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-10T20:05:50Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-10T20:19:23Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-10T20:19:38Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-10T20:21:22Z pierpa joined #ccl 2018-08-10T20:26:27Z orivej joined #ccl 2018-08-10T21:13:29Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-08-10T21:17:16Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-10T21:22:08Z mason joined #ccl 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display a JPEG image given the bytes? 2018-08-23T19:50:50Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-23T19:51:08Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-23T19:55:29Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-08-23T19:59:38Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-23T20:18:05Z sjl__ quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-23T20:27:03Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-23T20:27:19Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-23T20:35:43Z sjl__ joined #ccl 2018-08-23T20:55:31Z borodust quit (Quit: Leavin') 2018-08-23T20:59:28Z pierpa joined #ccl 2018-08-23T21:10:30Z pjb joined #ccl 2018-08-23T21:12:54Z pjb: emaczen: did you load the Core Graphics framework? 2018-08-23T21:15:49Z pjb: This is what I do: https://github.com/informatimago/patchwork/blob/dialog/src/macosx/load-libraries.lisp 2018-08-23T21:30:33Z borodust joined #ccl 2018-08-23T21:47:52Z emaczen: Could I use objc:load-framework? How do I find out what to pass for parameter interfaces-name? 2018-08-23T21:53:39Z pjb: The problem with interface files (.ffi) is that they have to be generated by ffigen4, and this program doesn't run on current macOS system versions, and cannot be compiled with current macOS compilers. 2018-08-23T21:55:01Z pjb: So for now, we have to load the framework libraries directly, and use FFI and the Objective-C runtime to use it. 2018-08-23T21:55:47Z emaczen: where is #'add-headers-logical-pathname-translations? 2018-08-23T21:55:48Z pjb: ffigen4 uses a patched gcc compiler to extract information from the header files. 2018-08-23T21:56:06Z pjb: It would have to be updated to extract this information out of clang. 2018-08-23T21:56:21Z pjb: or a new patch would have to be developped for current gcc (7 IIRC). 2018-08-23T21:56:22Z emaczen: Who upkeeps ffigen? 2018-08-23T21:56:25Z pjb: nobody. 2018-08-23T22:00:26Z pjb: it's at http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/ffigen4/branches/ffigen-apple-gcc-5646/ffigen4 2018-08-23T22:01:00Z pjb: there's also http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/ffigen4/branches/ffigen-apple-gcc-6465/ffigen4 2018-08-23T22:03:00Z pjb: but it's been modified 2 years yearler than the previous one. 2018-08-23T22:04:02Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2018-08-23T22:05:49Z emaczen: what does the patchwork APP do? 2018-08-23T22:05:49Z emaczen: 2018-08-23T22:08:34Z pjb: http://recherche.ircam.fr/equipes/repmus/RMPapers/CMJ98/ 2018-08-23T22:11:50Z emaczen: Ok, I thought the name patchwork implied you were "patching" or making quick fixes to these unkept projects. And I tried to build it 2018-08-23T22:20:05Z emaczen: Should |CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider| going to be interned into nextstep-functions? 2018-08-23T22:27:26Z pjb: if you use the #/ reader macro, yes. 2018-08-23T22:27:56Z pjb: '(#/CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider foo) 2018-08-23T22:28:10Z pjb: #| --> (nextstep-functions:|CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider| foo) |# 2018-08-23T22:30:05Z emaczen: https://pastebin.com/WCz19XyH 2018-08-23T22:30:35Z emaczen: It doesn't create that function 2018-08-23T22:32:16Z pjb: No, for that you need to use cffi:defcfun 2018-08-23T22:32:36Z pjb: or patch ffigen4 so it's done automatically. 2018-08-23T22:32:48Z pjb: You can also try to use swig, but it's full of bugs. 2018-08-23T22:33:08Z pjb: (eg. it doesn't process #pragma packed for structures). 2018-08-23T22:33:28Z emaczen: I don't understand. You can load CoreGraphics in Patchwork, but I can't? 2018-08-23T22:33:46Z pjb: They are shared libraries. loading them only calls dlopen. 2018-08-23T22:34:09Z pjb: Then you need to use ffi to define a lisp function that will call dlsym and call the resulting function. 2018-08-23T22:34:16Z pjb: (or rather, cffi). 2018-08-23T22:34:33Z emaczen: Why does AppKit still work then? 2018-08-23T22:34:51Z pjb: We're using old ffi files. 2018-08-23T22:35:13Z pjb: And thanks to Apple, AppKit frameworks are ABI compatible. 2018-08-23T22:35:22Z pjb: (mostly). 2018-08-23T22:36:25Z emaczen: Do you know of an easier way to just get a NSImage from JPEG bytes? 2018-08-23T22:36:43Z pjb: It's easy to use defcfun. 2018-08-23T22:39:09Z emaczen: I think you are right, that function isn't really using any objc features 2018-08-23T22:39:41Z sjl_ is now known as sjl 2018-08-23T22:40:24Z pjb: grep -nHR CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider /Applications/Xcode.app | grep -e '\.h' # let's you locate the header file. 2018-08-23T22:40:27Z pjb: /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGImage.h 2018-08-23T22:41:03Z pjb: CG_EXTERN CGImageRef __nullable CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider(CGDataProviderRef cg_nullable source, const CGFloat * __nullable decode, bool shouldInterpolate, CGColorRenderingIntent intent) CG_AVAILABLE_STARTING(__MAC_10_1, __IPHONE_2_0); 2018-08-23T22:41:03Z pjb: 2018-08-23T22:43:58Z sjl__ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-23T22:44:18Z pjb: (cff:defcfun (#/CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider "CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider") ((source :pointer) (decode :pointer) (shouldInterpolate :bool) (intent :int32)) :pointer) 2018-08-23T22:45:34Z pjb: Now, for the ease of use, from lisp, it seems to me that using CGImageCreate would be easier. 2018-08-23T22:48:10Z pjb: Since CGDataProviderRef is a structure with a few pointers to C functions. You'd have to write them as cffi callbacks… 2018-08-23T23:03:20Z rme: https://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/GradientWindow is an old example that might help you 2018-08-23T23:08:45Z MetaYan joined #ccl 2018-08-24T00:10:21Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-24T00:14:58Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-08-24T00:15:23Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-24T00:24:05Z eschatologist: Wasn't someone redoing ffigen atop libclang? 2018-08-24T00:25:25Z rme: We got started. 2018-08-24T00:27:11Z eschatologist: Yeah, just looked at https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/13 again 2018-08-24T00:27:14Z rme: Bo Yao started things off, and I did a bit more, but I haven't worked on it lately. $dayjob keeps me busy. 2018-08-24T00:28:11Z rme: I made https://github.com/Clozure/ccl-ffigen, but it looks like I never pushed the actual code there. 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I'm assuming something like cffi:define-foreign-library and cffi:load-foreign-library 2018-08-24T15:40:07Z emaczen: pjb: How do I tell if the framework has been loaded? 2018-08-24T15:45:55Z emaczen: both CGImageCreateWithJPEGDataProvider and CGImageCreate have a parameter of type CGDataProviderRef, so how would CGImageCreate be any easier? 2018-08-24T16:14:58Z pjb: emaczen: I assume there's some list in cffi or ffi that tells what libraries are loaded. Otherwise you can scan the memory with dladdr, I guess. 2018-08-24T16:15:31Z pjb: There may also be other functions to get a memory map. 2018-08-24T16:16:26Z pjb: Oops, you're right CGCreateImage also takes a provider, so no gain. 2018-08-24T16:27:15Z emaczen: pjb: Well I just found out that #/initWithData: and #/initWithBytes:length: will do the trick! 2018-08-24T16:27:53Z emaczen: Although, once this program is complete I want to port it and others to linux. 2018-08-24T16:28:24Z emaczen: I finally got GNUstep installed on Fedora the other day and tested out basic parts of this program in GNUstep/objective-c 2018-08-24T16:28:35Z pjb: Yay! 2018-08-24T16:29:32Z emaczen: I'll need advice... 2018-08-24T16:30:07Z emaczen: I'm almost wondering if it wouldn't just be easier to translate objective-c to lisp? would that be to slow? 2018-08-24T16:30:42Z emaczen: Or is the problem all the code that the cocoa libraries depends on like libjpeg etc... 2018-08-24T16:33:34Z pjb: The problem is that CGGraphics is about the only way to display things on Cocoa. There's also openGL but it won't be easier AFAIK. Or you can always use X11, but it's less "native". 2018-08-24T16:34:29Z pjb: So the best is to separate the UI from the core, and to implement the UI natively. 2018-08-24T16:35:06Z pjb: In the case of Objective-C, you may use Objective-CL instead of writing Objective-C code (or using the bare FFI to the low-level frameworks). 2018-08-24T16:37:29Z pjb: Now, there's one way to do the GUI in lisp: write to a backstore pixmap, and implement natively only the flushing of this image to the window. 2018-08-24T16:38:04Z pjb: Plus: same GUI on all the platforms. Minus: same GUI on all the platforms. 2018-08-24T16:39:13Z emaczen: NSBezierPaths are part of AppKit and not CoreGraphics right? 2018-08-24T16:39:37Z pjb: Yes. 2018-08-24T16:39:47Z pjb: I implemented them in lisp too in mclgui. 2018-08-24T16:40:44Z pjb: or elsewhere… 2018-08-24T16:41:41Z emaczen: I think I could implement the backend, but I don't really know how UIs work other than some kind of window server, with a refresh rate and the pixel map like you said? Is that it? 2018-08-24T16:42:24Z pjb: Ah, yes, it's in mclgui, but it's not an implementation of bezier path. It's the translation of Quickdraw regions into NSBezierPath. 2018-08-24T16:42:38Z pjb: Yes. 2018-08-24T16:43:02Z emaczen: Can I implement everything via CLOS? 2018-08-24T16:43:21Z pjb: Yes. 2018-08-24T16:43:28Z emaczen: There wouldn't be performance concerns? 2018-08-24T16:43:41Z pjb: It is fast enough on current hardware. 2018-08-24T16:44:03Z pjb: But cf. https://cliki.net/GUI first. 2018-08-24T16:44:31Z pjb: Have a look at https://cliki.net/pgl 2018-08-24T16:44:37Z emaczen: Alright, well once I can send like 15 frames per second from my rpi I'll try it out. 2018-08-24T16:44:43Z emaczen: cf? 2018-08-24T16:45:03Z pjb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cf. 2018-08-24T16:45:36Z pjb: also useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_abbreviations 2018-08-24T16:46:45Z emaczen: ah, thats right. 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One would have to link gcc into ecl to be able to use it. (ecl has a byte-code compiler alternative, so it may be not a big problem). 2018-08-25T11:58:11Z pjb: There's of course the commercial MoCL. Another alternative would be to take clicc and dust it off and make it usable for Android and iOS like MoCL. 2018-08-25T11:59:35Z pjb: there seem to be some commerical support for ccl on iOS: https://clozure.com/support.html 2018-08-25T12:00:52Z pjb: Funny, it seems there's a ccl on iOS: http://ios2apps.com/app/489900618/clozure-cl 2018-08-25T12:02:06Z pjb: but nothing in the AppStore… 2018-08-25T12:04:46Z pjb: furthermore, the releases are linux arm or darwin x86. 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It is much better -- even the latest cocoa doesn't have garbage collection? 2018-08-27T17:49:22Z pjb: Even. 2018-08-27T17:49:39Z pjb: The previous previous Objective-C had one, but they dropped it. 2018-08-27T17:49:57Z pjb: Now instead, they have a mix of compilation-time/run-time reference counting.\ 2018-08-27T18:14:33Z sjl__ is now known as sjl_ 2018-08-27T19:26:52Z lonjil quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2018-08-27T19:35:41Z warex joined #ccl 2018-08-27T19:36:20Z warex: Greetings from Oaxaca. 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But I have no such luck doingo so for the keyboard shortcuts of the listener window. In particular going back to the previous history. I've been skimming through the cocoa-listener.lisp file but I see no obvious place where the keyboard shortcuts are defined. Does anyone know how to insert the previous element from history at the current 2018-08-31T16:13:36Z PuercoWork: prompt in a listener window? 2018-08-31T16:43:34Z MetaYan quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-31T16:48:35Z pjb joined #ccl 2018-08-31T17:28:03Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-08-31T17:31:32Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-08-31T17:38:40Z pierpal quit (Quit: Poof) 2018-08-31T17:38:57Z pierpal joined #ccl 2018-08-31T17:57:45Z rme: PuercoWork: M-p 2018-08-31T18:58:27Z orivej joined #ccl 2018-08-31T20:01:31Z pierpa joined #ccl 2018-08-31T20:28:48Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2018-08-31T21:17:32Z sjl_ joined #ccl 2018-08-31T21:21:00Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2018-08-31T21:51:12Z orivej joined #ccl 2018-08-31T22:05:28Z PuercoWork: rme: I had tried M-p before asking. It opens the Print Dialog 2018-08-31T22:05:50Z PuercoWork: ahh no sorry. I did CMD-P 2018-08-31T22:06:47Z PuercoWork: because I have Emacs configured to use CMD as Meta when using OSX I tend to think they are the same. Should have tried with the alt key first. Thanks! 2018-08-31T22:16:47Z orivej quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-08-31T22:35:15Z pierpal quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2018-08-31T23:30:35Z pierpal joined #ccl