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While executingg: (:OBJC-DISPATCH NEXTSTEP-FUNCTIONS:|performSelectorOnMainThread:withObject:waitUntilDone:|), in process Anonymous thread(15) 2018-03-01T03:45:34Z emaczen: Then I get errors saying # requires acess to Shared Terminal Input 2018-03-01T03:53:24Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-01T03:53:25Z emaczen: If I had to guess for the last issue, it is a security setting since I am using bordeaux-threads instead of cocoa threads? 2018-03-01T03:53:50Z emaczen: But I have no idea about this performSelectorOnMainThread? 2018-03-01T03:54:08Z emaczen: Can anyone help me out with changing app settings to allow non cocoa threads? 2018-03-01T04:13:05Z pjb: It sounds rather as a problem of going thru saved images. 2018-03-01T04:13:26Z pjb: You have to reload the shared libraries when you boot the image. 2018-03-01T04:14:08Z pjb: And also to re-allocate foreign pointers, but it would still be macptr, only null pointer. 2018-03-01T04:18:20Z emaczen: pjb: I don't have any images with this application 2018-03-01T04:18:42Z pjb: Yes, you have. An executable is a saved image concatenated with the kernel. 2018-03-01T04:19:12Z emaczen: pjb: I thought you meant photo images like a .gif or .jpg 2018-03-01T04:19:28Z pjb: Only ecl works without images; instead it links elf binaries. 2018-03-01T04:19:40Z pjb: No, I mean lisp images. 2018-03-01T04:20:10Z emaczen: pjb: Give me a few seconds... I'm going to make some comparisons 2018-03-01T04:23:02Z pjb: for example, I have: (defvar *coremidi* nil) (defun coremidi-framework () (or *coremidi* (setf *coremidi* (ccl:open-shared-library "/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreMIDI.framework/CoreMIDI")))) 2018-03-01T04:23:02Z pjb: 2018-03-01T04:23:26Z pjb: and I have a (defun initialize () (coremidi-framework) … (initialize-application) (load-rc-files)) 2018-03-01T04:24:09Z pjb: And I call this initialize in the main function that is saved as :toplevel-function. 2018-03-01T04:32:11Z emaczen: I don't have any shared libraries... 2018-03-01T04:39:21Z emaczen: There is no problem with bt:make-thread inside of an OSX app? 2018-03-01T04:42:23Z emaczen: The application starts fine and works, it just stops working once some code is called that uses bt:make-thread to write contents from a stream to a buffer. 2018-03-01T04:43:18Z emaczen: I capture *error-output* and then evaluate a asdf:load-system form, so that you can see REPL output from the compiler/asdf 2018-03-01T04:56:46Z emaczen: In the function of bt:make-thread I call #'gui:execute-in-gui and this seems to be the source of performSelectorOnMainThread:withObject:waitUntilDone: 2018-03-01T04:58:37Z smokeink quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-03-01T05:02:27Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-01T05:14:51Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-03-01T05:18:53Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-03-01T05:32:40Z emaczen: Actually, would bordeaux-threads require any special reloading? 2018-03-01T05:32:40Z emaczen: 2018-03-01T05:34:27Z pjb: No, they're just a thin layer over the implementation threads. 2018-03-01T05:37:00Z emaczen: https://pastebin.com/da3NmB6a 2018-03-01T05:37:38Z emaczen: cocoa:with-main-thread is just a macro around (gui:execute-in-gui (lambda () ...)) 2018-03-01T05:45:58Z pjb: Well, the performSelector… is called from %interrupt-event-process, so check the parameters: *nsapp* (objc:@selector #/lispInterrupt:) 2018-03-01T05:51:38Z emaczen: what are the values supposed to be? 2018-03-01T05:51:52Z emaczen: or what can I expect them to be? 2018-03-01T05:54:05Z emaczen: *nsapp* is nil and the selector is a foreign pointer 2018-03-01T05:58:04Z pierpa quit (Quit: Page closed) 2018-03-01T06:04:42Z emaczen: If I set *nsapp* to (#/sharedApplication ns:ns-application) 2018-03-01T06:04:55Z emaczen: I get an error saying that lispInterrupt is an unrecognized selector 2018-03-01T06:05:21Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-03-01T06:10:41Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-03-01T06:31:31Z rme: emaczen: You may need to specify NSPrincipalClass in your application's Info.plist file. It needs to be "CCLApplication" or a subclass. 2018-03-01T06:32:03Z emaczen: I just changed some calls of the form (#/sharedApplication ns:ns-application) to ccl::ccl-application 2018-03-01T06:32:49Z rme: so you're ok now? 2018-03-01T06:32:57Z emaczen: rme: Nope, it didn't work 2018-03-01T06:34:31Z emaczen: The principal class is LispApplication in my info.plist 2018-03-01T06:35:18Z rme: Is that a subclass you define? If so, does it inherit from CCLApplication? 2018-03-01T06:35:59Z emaczen: rme: No, I have no idea what LispApplication is 2018-03-01T06:36:06Z emaczen: I just see it in the info.plist file 2018-03-01T06:37:16Z emaczen: rme: How do you force your app to be of the type ccl-application? 2018-03-01T06:37:24Z emaczen: Where do you set ccl::*nsapp*? 2018-03-01T06:37:57Z smokeink quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-03-01T06:38:00Z rme: Well, please try changing that to CCLApplication. 2018-03-01T06:38:19Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-01T06:38:19Z emaczen: Okay 2018-03-01T06:38:25Z emaczen: Just manually in the Info.plist file? 2018-03-01T06:39:35Z rme: It depends on how you build your program. I am guessing that you may be using the build-application function defined in ccl:cocoa-ide;build-application.lisp? 2018-03-01T06:40:13Z emaczen: correct 2018-03-01T06:40:43Z rme: If so, that's where the (incorrect) default of "LispApplication" is coming from. The (defparameter $default-info-plist-principal-class "LispApplication") in builder-utilities.lisp needs to be changed to CCLApplication. 2018-03-01T06:40:52Z smokeink quit (Client Quit) 2018-03-01T06:42:16Z emaczen: Ok, changed it I'll try rebuilding 2018-03-01T06:43:21Z emaczen: I see why it works from the REPL now since *nsapp* is bound to the IDE-APPLICATION which has #/lispInterrupt defined 2018-03-01T06:44:15Z emaczen: where and how is *nsapp* supposed to be defined? I placed the form: (setf ccl::*nsapp* (#/sharedApplication ccl::ccl-application)) in my main function which is pushed onto ccl:*startup-functions* 2018-03-01T06:45:13Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-01T06:45:14Z emaczen: rme: changing LispApplication to CCLApplication didn't seem to matter 2018-03-01T06:45:47Z emaczen: I can see the message: [NSApplication lispInterrupt:] in the cocoa backtrace 2018-03-01T06:46:48Z rme: you still get the unrecognized selector lispInterrupt error? 2018-03-01T06:47:24Z emaczen: Yes because *nsapp* still has type NSApplication and not CCLApplication 2018-03-01T06:48:11Z emaczen: I'm printing out *nsapp* right before the call to #'gui:execute-in-gui and can see this. Also I think I can see it in the cocoa backtrace 2018-03-01T06:56:18Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-03-01T06:58:06Z rme: In the IDE, *nsapp* is initialized via functions called by the toplevel function. In particular, see init-cocoa-ide in cocoa-window.lisp. 2018-03-01T06:58:46Z rme: my standalone program DPF does it a slightly different way. See https://github.com/Clozure/dpf/blob/master/application.lisp 2018-03-01T07:00:57Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2018-03-01T07:01:47Z rme: But somehow, at startup time, you need to arrange to use your custom NSApplication subclass. The first time you call (#/sharedApplication ), Cocoa will initialize the application object. 2018-03-01T07:08:02Z emaczen: toplevel-function is a method? 2018-03-01T07:17:23Z rme: I probably just made your life more complicated by mentioning DPF. There is more than one kind of "application" class in play here. CCL itself uses a (standard CLOS) application class to manage certain things. DPF uses that. 2018-03-01T07:23:55Z emaczen: both look complicated 2018-03-01T07:25:59Z rme: sorry 2018-03-01T07:26:15Z emaczen: hah, well dpf looks a little simpler I think 2018-03-01T07:26:24Z emaczen: It seems to be self-contained all in one file 2018-03-01T07:26:48Z rme: if you don't need all the ide stuff, I'd suggest building on dpf 2018-03-01T07:27:05Z emaczen: Yep, that's what I am thinking too 2018-03-01T07:27:16Z emaczen: I'll get to it tomorrow 2018-03-01T07:27:56Z emaczen: Thanks for the help, somehow I've missed all of this complicated app defining/build setup -- this might explain why my apps are buggy haha 2018-03-01T07:37:27Z milanj joined #ccl 2018-03-01T08:24:55Z fiddlerwoaroof quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2018-03-01T08:25:14Z smokeink quit (Quit: Leaving) 2018-03-01T08:25:55Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-01T08:43:02Z fiddlerwoaroof joined #ccl 2018-03-01T09:02:01Z hhdave joined #ccl 2018-03-01T09:26:00Z hhdave quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 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The NSApplication subclass to instantiate in +[NSApplication sharedApplication] will normally be specified by the Info.plist’s NSPrincipalClass key. 2018-03-04T19:47:13Z eschatologist: It’s actually very common to not specify a different principal class, since virtually everything works via NSApplication’s delegate or via the NSResponder chain. 2018-03-04T19:48:13Z sabetts` joined #ccl 2018-03-04T19:49:15Z eschatologist: Most times I’ve subclassed NSApplication, it’s been to add to change how event dispatch works application-wide. (For example, to dispatch “key presses” from a barcode reader specially, no matter what the responder chain looks like.) 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It will start working again when I generate new interface databases. 2018-03-15T23:44:04Z BitPuffin quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2018-03-16T00:08:15Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2018-03-16T00:08:28Z jdz joined #ccl 2018-03-16T00:26:42Z rme: It should be ok again now. Please see https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/tag/v1.12-dev.3 for new FreeBSd bootstrapping binaries. 2018-03-16T01:17:37Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-16T01:22:05Z DataLinkDroid joined #ccl 2018-03-16T01:27:27Z smokeink quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-03-16T01:47:50Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-16T02:12:21Z smokeink quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2018-03-16T02:47:46Z smokeink joined #ccl 2018-03-16T03:34:16Z pillton joined #ccl 2018-03-16T03:35:21Z pillton: Is there a way to add other exports to the shared library CCL generates with (ccl:save-application ... :native t)? e.g. a C callback function? 2018-03-16T03:38:12Z sabetts`: pillton: that would be neat. 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I can add a note that the 64-bit binaries are included. 2018-03-21T17:18:01Z surya: i initially downloaded it from the github, releases page, https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases 2018-03-21T17:18:46Z surya: now i just checked the official ccl site as well, no mention of 64 bit there either.https://ccl.clozure.com/download.html 2018-03-21T17:19:57Z rme: OK, thanks, I'll try to add a note about it. The download.html page does say "All versions include both 32- and 64-bit binaries (except for ARM, which is currently 32-bit only)." 2018-03-21T17:21:05Z surya: sorry my bad, missed the description. 2018-03-21T17:21:20Z surya: just checking in the download link list. 2018-03-21T17:24:42Z surya: now a days, 64 bit versions having a naming convention similar to amd64 or x86-64 bit in the download link names, so that may help new comers quickly identify the version they want to download. 2018-03-21T17:25:30Z rme: You may have a good point there. I'll try to remember that when I make a 1.12 release. 2018-03-21T17:25:57Z surya: that should help. :) 2018-03-21T17:29:01Z surya: by the way i am new to lisp, exploring different implementations, landed on ccl which i thought was pretty cool in terms of execution speed benchmarks.ccl fully support all quicklisp packages isn't it? or should know something before assuming it will support? 2018-03-21T17:29:33Z surya: should i know* 2018-03-21T17:32:16Z rme: There's a lot of software in Quicklisp, but I would expect most of it to run in ccl. 2018-03-21T17:37:32Z surya: thanks, will explore ccl. 2018-03-21T17:40:26Z pierpa joined #ccl 2018-03-21T17:42:27Z surya quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2018-03-21T17:42:28Z rme: I like ccl a lot, of course, since I work on it. 2018-03-21T17:42:36Z rme: too late... 2018-03-21T18:22:44Z pierpa_ joined #ccl 2018-03-21T18:22:49Z pierpa quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-03-21T22:08:37Z Intensity quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 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when I run strings on the ELF file I see the whole program is there in plain text 2018-03-25T23:17:48Z confused-newbie: $ strings hello | grep -B 1 Hello (defun main () (format t "Hello, world")) 2018-03-25T23:18:20Z confused-newbie: I have two questions, is the program really compiled to machine code or is it packed in source form and stored in the ELF? 2018-03-25T23:18:43Z confused-newbie: and if it's compiled into machine code is there a way to remove the program in plain text from the ELF? 2018-03-25T23:28:57Z Intensity quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-03-25T23:29:16Z Intensity joined #ccl 2018-03-25T23:30:00Z khrbt_ joined #ccl 2018-03-25T23:31:40Z khrbt quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2018-03-26T00:23:44Z confused-newbie quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2018-03-26T00:52:19Z rme: you can use ccl:*saved-source-lcoations* to govern whether source information is stored. 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silence for so long 2018-03-29T20:33:30Z KZiemian: rme: since I work on ccldoc and CLUS only in me free time I feel need to use my forces in other directions last time 2018-03-29T20:33:32Z rme: No need to apologize. No worries at all. 2018-03-29T20:34:05Z KZiemian: rme: very unfortunetly many things come at that moment in February 2018-03-29T20:34:35Z KZiemian: rme: you see that I have terribal lack of expirience in this matter 2018-03-29T20:35:08Z KZiemian: rme: still I want read, understand and help in any way I can with ccldoc and it page as I can 2018-03-29T20:35:52Z KZiemian: rme: after Easter form 5 or 6 April I can go back to work regulary 2018-03-29T20:36:14Z rme: Thank you. Really, it's kind of you to apologize, but I assure you that there is no need. 2018-03-29T20:36:51Z KZiemian: rme: Thank you :) 2018-03-29T20:37:16Z KZiemian: I have one question 2018-03-29T20:37:54Z KZiemian: rme: Can I make sparet Git repository when I put ccldoc code with my notes? 2018-03-29T20:38:47Z KZiemian: rme: from at lest few months I need to make over the top notes to notes to it, to myself and maye for phoe 2018-03-29T20:39:59Z KZiemian: since now from me and phoe only I can work on ccldoc for now 2018-03-29T20:40:27Z KZiemian: phoe is much better at everything of programing that I know from me 2018-03-29T20:40:50Z rme: Sure. Just clone the repository, make a branch for keeping your notes and annotations with "git checkout -b kziemian-notes" and you should be all set. 2018-03-29T20:41:10Z KZiemian: thank you 2018-03-29T20:41:44Z rme: if you'll be at the ELS next month, we could talk then 2018-03-29T20:42:01Z KZiemian: I will try to go to ELS 2018-03-29T20:43:53Z jmercouris joined #ccl 2018-03-29T21:00:05Z KZiemian: rme: Thank you again. 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