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It's hard to debug the problem if I can't reproduce it. 2018-01-01T03:37:09Z rme: If you know any gdb, you could try running your program under gdb. 2018-01-01T03:37:43Z rme: The only real trick is to source lisp-kernel/linuxarm/.gdbinit before running the program. 2018-01-01T03:39:13Z emaczen: the first breakpoint I am hitting says ../pmcl-kernel.c: No such file or directory 2018-01-01T03:39:17Z rme: Do you call C code in your program? Do you give save-application any particular arguments? 2018-01-01T03:39:30Z emaczen: I do use C code 2018-01-01T03:39:55Z emaczen: I use toplevel-function and prepend-kernel 2018-01-01T03:41:17Z rme: If you're running under gdb, just keep doing "cont" until you crash and maybe some clue will appear. 2018-01-01T03:42:33Z emaczen: Ok, it just says "Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. 0x10888680 in ?? ()" 2018-01-01T03:43:08Z emaczen: should I build the program with (declaim (optimize (debug 3)))? 2018-01-01T03:43:15Z rme: Does your program work if you don't use a custom toplevel-function? That is, can you say "ccl --eval '(start-my-program)' --image-name my.image" 2018-01-01T03:43:45Z rme: you can try with safety 3 if you want, but on ccl, it usually doesn't make too much difference. 2018-01-01T03:44:13Z emaczen: I did build it with safety 3, I was thinking of debugging help for gdb 2018-01-01T03:45:05Z rme: oh sure, you can edit lisp-kernel/linuxarm/Makefile and change COPT to -O0, then do make clean && make 2018-01-01T03:45:07Z emaczen: rme: running it this way tells me segmentation fault too. 2018-01-01T03:46:05Z rme: I'm afraid I'd need to look at a reproducible test case to get any further. Remote debugging via IRC is not very effective. 2018-01-01T03:46:30Z emaczen: can I just send you the executable I've built? 2018-01-01T03:47:40Z rme: I won't have time to look for a couple of days. 2018-01-01T03:47:52Z emaczen: that's fine 2018-01-01T03:48:50Z rme: OK, well, send me a link to it and I'll try to take a look as soon as I can. 2018-01-01T03:49:36Z emaczen: rme: What is an easy way to send you an executable? 2018-01-01T03:50:06Z rme: just compress it and mail it to me if you can't put it on a web site somewhere. 2018-01-01T03:51:20Z emaczen: Ok, what is your preferred email address? 2018-01-01T03:51:52Z rme: rme@acm.org 2018-01-01T04:00:35Z emaczen: rme: I just send the email from thutmosethree@gmail.com -- thanks for the help 2018-01-01T04:03:11Z rme: Received. 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Do I need to specify a different float ABI before compiling the kernel or does CCL not support this processor (wikipedia s 2018-01-08T14:53:19Z hhdave: ARM9 TI Sitara AM1x). 2018-01-08T15:10:47Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-01-08T15:27:50Z pjb: hhdave: if you have a file ./foo and ./foo reports file not found, it may be because of access rights. chmod +x foo ; ./foo 2018-01-08T15:31:57Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) 2018-01-08T15:33:18Z red-dot joined #ccl 2018-01-08T15:59:03Z rme: I'm afraid that CCL wants an armv7 processor. The ARM9 cores are something like armv5 if Wikipedia is to be believed. 2018-01-08T16:06:10Z hhdave: rme: aha. So I guess it’s definitely not going to work then? I wondered if that might be the case. ARM9 is quite old by now. 2018-01-08T16:08:01Z pjb: hhdave: it would work: just patch ccl to support arm9 ;-) 2018-01-08T16:09:38Z rme: Yeah, armv5 is too old. 2018-01-08T16:11:46Z hhdave: rme: Do you know what about armv7 CCL uses that armv5 doesn’t have? Who did the CCL ARM backend? I suspect pjb’s suggestion might be too hard (for me at least!). 2018-01-08T16:12:55Z hhdave: At least this saves me from the frustration of trying to get it running, and ECL is available for it. CCL has a nice, fast compiler, but no worries. 2018-01-08T16:13:06Z rme: we need a vfp (that supports fcmpd), and we need ldrex/clrex. We used to want movt, but I think we avoid that at the moment. 2018-01-08T16:17:12Z rme: Although now that I'm looking at the sources, and it looks like we might run on armv6td (as found on Raspberry Pi 1). 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If all else fails, I could snail-mail you some DVDs. 2018-01-10T17:38:19Z rme: I just got mail from someone who is still running (PowerPC) CCL on OS X 10.4. 2018-01-10T17:38:26Z jmercouris: What, why? 2018-01-10T17:38:29Z kolb: hehe 2018-01-10T17:38:37Z jmercouris: did you ask them what their reasoning was? 2018-01-10T17:39:26Z rme: Nope. I respect him enough that I didn't question his rationale. :-) 2018-01-10T17:39:27Z pjb: powerpc doesn't suffer meltdown. 2018-01-10T17:39:53Z jmercouris: I don't think it's a question of respect, it's just a question of curiosity, at least on my part 2018-01-10T17:40:06Z pjb: and neither spectre AFAIK. 2018-01-10T17:40:16Z jmercouris: I don't think it's a fruitful endeavor, but if they enjoy it, it is their perogative 2018-01-10T17:40:33Z jmercouris: any pre 2010 processor won't suffer meltdown 2018-01-10T17:40:41Z jmercouris: yay thinkpad x series :D 2018-01-10T17:41:01Z pjb: Well, the main problem is that there always bugs in the last supported versions. You'd want to run ccl 1.10 but it doesn't support ppc. 2018-01-10T17:41:17Z pjb: or OSX 10.5. 2018-01-10T17:42:23Z hhdave quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2018-01-10T17:42:35Z jmercouris: rme: Did you see the CFFI stuff posted on /r/lisp? 2018-01-10T17:42:52Z rme: Right. He's stuck on ccl 1.4 (which runs on OS X 10.4), and he was hoping to upgrade to something newer in order to pick up some IDE bug-fixes. ccl 1.5 and ccl 1.6 require OS X 10.5, though. 2018-01-10T17:43:31Z jmercouris: rme: This is what I'm talking about: https://github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/objc-lisp-bridge 2018-01-10T17:43:57Z jmercouris: I feel like this is a project you would be interested in 2018-01-10T17:44:16Z kolb: I managed to get rmcl from LeslieZhu but the build linked instructions lead to a dead link :-/ 2018-01-10T17:46:13Z rme: kolb: you really want a binary distribution 2018-01-10T17:47:29Z BitPuffin quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2018-01-10T17:47:48Z kolb: oh I see these are still on the clozure ftp 2018-01-10T17:48:03Z rme: the files at https://code.google.com/archive/p/mcl/downloads might be more up-to-date 2018-01-10T17:49:29Z rme: I don't remember if they will run on Leopard (10.5) though. They might need 10.6. 2018-01-10T17:49:49Z rme: jmercouris: saw it 2018-01-10T17:50:23Z rme: he's going to learn more about Objective-C than he ever wanted to know 2018-01-10T17:51:08Z jmercouris: rme: I figured it was a long road :D 2018-01-10T17:51:17Z jmercouris: I think he has to do more things with the runtime if I understand 2018-01-10T17:51:22Z jmercouris: it isn't just as simple as some CFFI bindings 2018-01-10T17:52:51Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) 2018-01-10T17:53:30Z red-dot joined #ccl 2018-01-10T18:07:06Z kolb: I got MCL running 2018-01-10T18:08:06Z kolb: immediate issues are the tiny font size and that apparently there is no way to enter a tilde (~) on this keyboard, but I got to my hello-world function :-) 2018-01-10T18:27:26Z sabetts joined #ccl 2018-01-10T18:48:49Z rme: excellent 2018-01-10T18:52:58Z rme: if you don't have it yet, get mcl-reference.pdf from ftp.clozure.com. 2018-01-10T18:53:37Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Maybe somebody there has encountered your error? 2018-01-23T12:25:55Z borodust: that's where i'm from ;p 2018-01-23T12:28:13Z borodust: but, no, didn't ask there yet (we are primarily sbcl dudes there) 2018-01-23T14:06:32Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2018-01-23T14:26:22Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) 2018-01-23T14:49:31Z red-dot joined #ccl 2018-01-23T15:22:20Z sjl joined #ccl 2018-01-23T15:49:39Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) 2018-01-23T15:50:54Z red-dot joined #ccl 2018-01-23T16:51:00Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) 2018-01-23T16:52:08Z red-dot joined #ccl 2018-01-23T17:52:21Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)) 2018-01-23T17:53:35Z red-dot joined #ccl 2018-01-23T18:01:04Z hhdave quit (Quit: hhdave) 2018-01-23T18:30:37Z rme: The #_ reader macro won't work unless the interface database files are available. Or maybe you altered *readtable*? 2018-01-23T18:31:19Z borodust: rme: soryy, is that for me? 2018-01-23T18:31:30Z borodust: or i missed some logs :/ 2018-01-23T18:31:57Z rme: borodust: yes 2018-01-23T18:32:34Z borodust: rme: i'm not using #_ syntax for memcpy directly, i'm using cffi-sys interface 2018-01-23T18:32:44Z sjl quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9) 2018-01-23T18:33:05Z sjl joined #ccl 2018-01-23T18:33:08Z borodust: lemme see what is getting called 2018-01-23T18:33:19Z borodust: the error seems to originate from static vectors 2018-01-23T18:34:24Z borodust: *actually, the error seems to... 2018-01-23T18:34:56Z borodust: aha 2018-01-23T18:34:57Z borodust: i see 2018-01-23T18:35:02Z borodust: static vectors uses it 2018-01-23T18:35:54Z borodust: rme: thanks! what should i tell the user about the database? how can s/he obtain it? 2018-01-23T18:36:04Z rme: an alternative to (#_memcpy p q n) is (ccl:external-call :address p :address q :size_t n) 2018-01-23T18:36:23Z rme: that doesn't require the interface database 2018-01-23T18:36:54Z rme: maybe some macro is expanding to a form that includes #_ ? that usually is not what you want. 2018-01-23T18:36:59Z borodust: https://github.com/sionescu/static-vectors/blob/master/src/impl-clozure.lisp#L17 2018-01-23T18:37:02Z borodust: here's the source 2018-01-23T18:37:09Z borodust: should i file an issue there? 2018-01-23T18:37:40Z borodust: *source of the problem 2018-01-23T18:38:07Z borodust: or should i better tell the user to update databse somehow 2018-01-23T18:38:15Z borodust: update or download 2018-01-23T18:38:43Z rme: I don't know. That looks ok at first glance. You don't want the user to have to download the interface db. It should only be needed by people compiling the code. 2018-01-23T18:39:15Z borodust: compiling lisp code? yes, that's what the person having the issue with at the moment 2018-01-23T18:40:13Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2018-01-23T18:40:31Z borodust: just in case, source issue with full backtrace is here: https://github.com/borodust/notalone/issues/3 2018-01-23T18:40:34Z rme: Oh, OK. Then have the user grab a release from https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/releases/tag/v1.11.5 2018-01-23T18:40:52Z borodust: rme: thanks! 2018-01-23T18:41:13Z rme: you're welcome. hope that solves it. 2018-01-23T18:43:54Z sjl quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9) 2018-01-23T18:44:14Z sjl joined #ccl 2018-01-23T18:49:40Z pjb joined #ccl 2018-01-23T18:53:33Z red-dot quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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