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ccl.bat for MS-windows, so you don't have to deal with wx86cl64.exe directly. 2017-02-06T21:36:28Z pjb: You may also try: "(print \"what\")" 2017-02-06T22:16:27Z rumbler31: hmm 2017-02-06T22:22:33Z rumbler31: is it expected that with the -b option specified, that after the form in -e is finished that ccl will exit? 2017-02-06T22:25:06Z pjb: -b is batch, so yes, it will skip the interactive part. 2017-02-06T22:25:50Z pjb: Well, -b, --batch: exit when EOF on *STANDARD-INPUT* ; what does MS-Windows do to stdin? 2017-02-06T22:26:33Z pjb: Are you trying to write a script? 2017-02-06T22:26:40Z pjb: Or something else? 2017-02-06T22:31:53Z rumbler31: i've made a quicklisp bundle for the packages that my code depends on, and I'm trying to write a makefile that will cause a ccl binary to be created after all of the packages load from the bundle. What's in my way right now is that some of them need dlls to be locatable by cffi, so I need to load cffi then find the libraries then continue with the rest of the standup. 2017-02-06T22:32:27Z rumbler31: and nmake is fighting me with quoting and such, I have a feeling that there are better ways to do this 2017-02-06T22:37:22Z rumbler31: what works right now is using type to spit a file on stdin to the lisp image 2017-02-06T22:39:56Z pjb: You have several ways to do it. 2017-02-06T22:39:56Z pjb: 2017-02-06T22:41:25Z pjb: echo '(load "generate-application.lisp")\n' | ccl.exe ; in this case, the expressions are read interactively, (you can have several). The inconvenient is if there's an error, it doesn't stop reading. But when you save the lisp image, you have less "state" saved when doing it like this. 2017-02-06T22:41:47Z pjb: Another way is to use: ccl --load generate-application.lisp 2017-02-06T22:42:16Z pjb: And there's also ccl < generate-application.lisp ; which may be better, only if there's no error. 2017-02-06T22:42:39Z pjb: Now, I use linux; on MS-Windows the best way to do it may be different. 2017-02-06T22:46:16Z pjb: Probably you should start with ccl --load generate-application.lisp and do everything you need in the generate-application.lisp file. Remember that save-application doesn't exit so it'll have to be the last thing you do in there. 2017-02-06T22:46:38Z pjb: s/exit/return/ 2017-02-06T22:47:47Z rumbler31: thanks 2017-02-06T22:52:32Z rumbler31: for some reason I thought that I would need to do something special to make freeform commands run if I used --load 2017-02-06T22:54:44Z pjb: You can see a few examples: https://framagit.org/nasium-lse/nasium-lse/blob/master/src/generate-cli.lisp loaded with --load in the Makefile 2017-02-06T22:56:04Z pjb: https://gitlab.com/patchwork/patchwork/blob/master/generate-application.lisp is run with ccl < generater-application.lisp (cf Makefile) 2017-02-06T22:56:46Z pjb: But if there's a bug in the script, it will continue to run in the debugger, so in later versions, I use the echo '(load "generate-application.lisp")' | ccl way. 2017-02-06T22:58:12Z pjb: So, if you use the --load way, or the echo load way. when the image is saved, the *load-pathname* etc. will be bound and saved with the image. This may bother you (or not). 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Please do whatever you need to take care of yourself, and if there's anything the community can do for you, let us know. You've given us all so much. 2017-02-09T20:19:33Z milanj joined #ccl 2017-02-09T20:47:48Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-09T21:07:08Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-09T22:24:26Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-09T23:07:08Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-09T23:57:48Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-10T00:02:19Z milanj quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-02-10T00:17:59Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-10T00:22:34Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-10T00:42:58Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-10T01:04:07Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-10T01:09:17Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2017-02-10T02:27:52Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-10T02:56:32Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-10T03:03:05Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-10T03:25:48Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-10T04:05:36Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-10T04:09:58Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2017-02-10T04:23:26Z pjb quit 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a bit differently than a normal CCL error & backtrace) 2017-02-16T02:44:44Z kkini: I managed to find my way to this code block, but beyond that I'm getting pretty lost: https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/blob/master/lib/macros.lisp#L2536-L2543 2017-02-16T02:52:52Z |3b|: might want to post more of the backtrace past frame 8, most of that is just showing the error handling 2017-02-16T02:57:00Z kkini: True -- the only important frames seem to be 7 and 8. Frames 9 and above are user code (ACL2 internals) rather than part of CCL, and I thought (static-cons) ought not to really care what its arguments are, so I removed frames past 8, but I can put some back in, hang on... 2017-02-16T03:02:02Z |3b|: is :futex on *features*? 2017-02-16T03:04:37Z kkini: no, it is not 2017-02-16T03:05:29Z kkini: also I should mention that as far as I know, ACL2 was not doing anything multithreaded (though I understand that CCL runs multiple threads under the hood anyway for GC purposes) 2017-02-16T03:07:07Z kkini: here is the new paste: http://sprunge.us/dDNO 2017-02-16T03:07:24Z kkini: I had to redact a few frames because of "proprietary information" in some random string arguments (lol) 2017-02-16T03:21:57Z |3b|: yeah, that backtrace does look pretty boring, but better to have it visible than not, since others might know of other things to look for :) 2017-02-16T03:23:09Z |3b| doesn't have anything directly useful to say about it, aside from https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/blob/master/level-0/l0-misc.lisp#L589 looks like it risks a race from when it loads the value of OWNER (particularly if it ends up looping) 2017-02-16T03:23:38Z |3b|: hopefully people that actually know what they are talking about can help more :) 2017-02-16T03:31:34Z kkini: Thanks for taking a look! I'll wait for more advice. 2017-02-16T03:46:31Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-16T04:00:46Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-16T04:00:49Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-16T04:33:14Z rme_ joined #ccl 2017-02-16T04:34:00Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 2017-02-16T04:34:01Z rme_ is now known as rme 2017-02-16T04:34:34Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 2017-02-16T04:34:34Z rme_ is now known as rme 2017-02-16T04:54:19Z eschatologist joined #ccl 2017-02-16T05:59:40Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-16T06:01:21Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-16T06:06:29Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2017-02-16T07:00:08Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2017-02-16T07:07:41Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-16T07:18:16Z sixbitslacker quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2017-02-16T07:27:13Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-16T07:40:15Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-02-16T08:48:07Z taij33n joined #ccl 2017-02-16T09:01:52Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-16T09:07:20Z ogamita joined #ccl 2017-02-16T09:13:55Z hhdave joined #ccl 2017-02-16T09:28:56Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-16T09:33:39Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-16T10:10:05Z copec quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-16T10:10:44Z schjetne quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-16T10:12:47Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-16T10:13:31Z copec joined #ccl 2017-02-16T10:20:57Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-16T10:46:34Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-16T10:55:42Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-16T11:11:21Z ogamita quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-16T11:12:39Z ogamita joined #ccl 2017-02-16T11:21:10Z MetaHert` joined #ccl 2017-02-16T11:40:15Z hhdave: rme: Hi. I’ve noticed that CCL is now up on GitHub. This got me to thinking about the run-program issue on Solaris again. You helped me narrow down the cause about 15 months ago, and I managed to find a workaround for it, which I’m now using in production. I reported it, with a suggested fix here: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/1326 2017-02-16T11:41:56Z hhdave: rme: the change you pointed me to was this one: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/changeset/11176 (using forkeall instead of fork on solaris) but that causes problems if there are other processes still running - they continue in the child too. That was all done as a result of “the recently-merged change that creates the string vector (argv) in the calling thread rather than in the monitor thread exposes this.)“ 2017-02-16T11:43:45Z hhdave: rme: Ergo, my fix for it simply changes that to create the argv in the child thread after doing a fork. Everything seems to work then. 2017-02-16T12:18:45Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-16T12:35:14Z ogamita quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-16T12:35:58Z ogamita joined #ccl 2017-02-16T12:39:12Z ogamita: The download page still specifies svn http://ccl.clozure.com/download.html ; when will the switch over to github be effective? 2017-02-16T13:52:48Z ogamita quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-16T13:54:12Z ogamita joined #ccl 2017-02-16T14:18:27Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-16T14:18:58Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2017-02-16T15:29:03Z sjl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-16T15:34:50Z rme: ogamita: I need to make bootstrapping binaries available on GitHub for all platforms (both for the 1.11 release branch and the development branch). Once that's done, it will be time to update the ccl.clozure.com web page. 2017-02-16T15:36:13Z rme: hhdave: Could I ask you to make a GitHub issue for ticket 1326? 2017-02-16T15:37:59Z hhdave: rme: sure. If I don’t get it done today I should get to it tomorrow. 2017-02-16T15:37:59Z rme: kkini: It would be good to capture that error as a GitHub issue. Would you be willing to do that? Please include the output of (lisp-implementation-version). 2017-02-16T15:38:19Z hhdave: (I’ll let you know when I have) 2017-02-16T15:39:09Z rme: hhdave: Thank you. I think I get notified when GitHub issues get created. 2017-02-16T15:40:27Z hhdave: rme: No problem. ah, ok. I thought about cloning and changing and making a pull request, but I thought I’d check with you first, since my fix is to essentially revert a changeset (more or less???). 2017-02-16T15:43:18Z rme: You can make a pull request if you want, but after I investigate the issue, I might not merge it as-is. I'm not sure what the GitHub etiquette is about this sort of thing. 2017-02-16T15:57:29Z hhdave: rme: Me neither. Would you like a nice succinct issue report? The previous one was a bit wordy with some irrelevant detail 2017-02-16T15:57:42Z jackdaniel: rme: github provides "review" funcionality, which allows you to request changes in pull request 2017-02-16T16:02:10Z rumbler3_ joined #ccl 2017-02-16T16:06:40Z rumbler3_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-16T16:19:49Z ogamita: rme: may I suggest to use a separate repository for binaries? 2017-02-16T16:43:22Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-16T17:42:52Z hhdave quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-16T17:47:22Z ogamita quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-16T18:03:57Z kkini: rme: certainly! congrats on the move to github, by the way :) 2017-02-16T18:07:27Z kkini: and yes, pull requests can be edited with complete freedom -- you can add commits to the pull request, or even start over with a totally different set of commits but keep the same pull request page with comments etc. 2017-02-16T18:17:05Z MetaHert` quit (Quit: Всем пока! // Goodbye everyone!) 2017-02-16T18:18:56Z kkini: rme: I've submitted a github issue at https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues/10 2017-02-16T18:21:39Z kkini: rme: by the way, at the following URL you can set up a service where a bot run by github will come to this IRC channel and notify people in here whenever certain things happen with the repository, such as a new issue, pull request, or commit: 2017-02-16T18:21:39Z kkini: https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/settings/hooks/new?service=irc 2017-02-16T18:21:53Z kkini: (if you think that would be useful) 2017-02-16T18:24:10Z kkini: (we have it set up in #acl2 and I find it useful, personally :) ) 2017-02-16T18:52:57Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-16T18:53:16Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2017-02-16T18:54:20Z kkini quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-16T18:54:28Z kkini joined #ccl 2017-02-16T18:55:52Z rumbler3_ joined #ccl 2017-02-16T20:29:48Z pjb quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-16T20:33:19Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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2017-02-18T17:16:55Z borodust: or my best bet is to start with obj-c examples of trivial cocoa stuff 2017-02-18T17:16:56Z rme: https://github.com/Clozure/dpf is a possibility 2017-02-18T17:17:22Z borodust: oh, that's very nice 2017-02-18T17:17:25Z borodust: thank you very much 2017-02-18T17:17:26Z rme: It's not based on the IDE, so it might be a little easier to follow. 2017-02-18T17:17:36Z borodust: cool, tnx much 2017-02-18T17:25:17Z pjb: MCLIDE is an example. 2017-02-18T17:27:59Z borodust: while i didn't checked yet, letters IDE in the name don't assure this example simplicity :) 2017-02-18T18:58:03Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 183 seconds) 2017-02-18T18:58:43Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-18T19:07:27Z rme joined #ccl 2017-02-18T19:07:31Z borodust: hmm, is it required to use internal symbols of :ccl package to build gui cocoa app? 2017-02-18T19:08:15Z borodust: both dpf and mclide use this approach, but it seems a bit hackish 2017-02-18T19:08:25Z rme: Which symbols? 2017-02-18T19:09:08Z borodust: ccl::ui-object, ccl::application and all the methods for those 2017-02-18T19:09:34Z borodust: https://github.com/Clozure/dpf/blob/master/application.lisp#L1 2017-02-18T19:10:39Z rme: In this case, yes, it's probably necessary. 2017-02-18T19:11:54Z rme: I freely admit that the interface to Cocoa could be improved. 2017-02-18T19:12:21Z borodust: i see, understood 2017-02-18T19:32:20Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-02-18T19:34:11Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-18T19:52:18Z MetaHertz quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-18T21:41:14Z borodust left #ccl 2017-02-18T23:41:17Z macdavid313 joined #ccl 2017-02-18T23:49:42Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-18T23:54:00Z macdavid quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-18T23:54:26Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-19T00:04:03Z macdavid313 quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) 2017-02-19T00:07:53Z macdavid313 joined #ccl 2017-02-19T00:08:32Z macdavid313 quit (Client Quit) 2017-02-19T00:09:34Z macdavid quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T00:09:51Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-19T00:23:37Z macdavid quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-19T00:32:20Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-19T00:36:06Z fe[nl]ix quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T00:36:06Z Blkt quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-19T00:37:22Z Blkt joined #ccl 2017-02-19T00:37:39Z fe[nl]ix joined #ccl 2017-02-19T01:37:35Z kkini quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T01:37:42Z kkini joined #ccl 2017-02-19T04:03:00Z fiddlerwoaroof joined #ccl 2017-02-19T04:14:46Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T05:15:38Z IRCFrEAK joined #ccl 2017-02-19T05:15:38Z IRCFrEAK left #ccl 2017-02-19T05:17:57Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-19T06:25:23Z kini joined #ccl 2017-02-19T07:04:01Z macdavid313 joined #ccl 2017-02-19T07:22:00Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-19T07:26:27Z MetaHertz joined #ccl 2017-02-19T07:36:39Z MetaHertz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-19T08:01:03Z macdavid quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T08:01:42Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-19T10:24:09Z MetaHertz joined #ccl 2017-02-19T10:51:49Z MetaHertz quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-19T11:02:35Z macdavid313_ joined #ccl 2017-02-19T11:05:46Z macdavid quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-19T11:06:40Z macdavid313 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-19T11:13:34Z macdavid313_ quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) 2017-02-19T11:32:52Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-19T12:20:45Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-19T12:24:38Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-19T12:57:18Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-19T13:20:37Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-19T13:26:41Z borodust joined #ccl 2017-02-19T13:26:52Z borodust: hello again! 2017-02-19T13:27:47Z borodust: can i dynamically add obj-c messages that ccl doesn't know from declarations database? 2017-02-19T13:28:21Z borodust: e.g. if i need this one: https://developer.apple.com/reference/appkit/nsapplication/1428621-setactivationpolicy?language=objc 2017-02-19T13:39:20Z borodust: not unlike cffi's #'foreign-funcall 2017-02-19T13:39:27Z borodust: or anything 2017-02-19T13:44:44Z macdavid quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-19T13:50:57Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-19T14:12:24Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-19T14:14:30Z borodust: #'send seems to work for the case i mentioned, i just missed an argument, sigh.. 2017-02-19T14:16:56Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-19T14:24:33Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-19T14:29:00Z schjetne quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T15:01:04Z mrottenkolber1 joined #ccl 2017-02-19T15:02:40Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-19T15:09:32Z macdavid joined #ccl 2017-02-19T15:33:19Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-19T16:21:42Z borodust: apparently, i just got things wrong: functions with arguments end with a colon when used with #/ syntax 2017-02-19T16:21:56Z borodust: thats why ccl complained 2017-02-19T16:58:55Z borodust: YESS 2017-02-19T16:59:20Z borodust: i finally got goddamn window on the screen 2017-02-19T17:00:47Z borodust: without package hijacking 2017-02-19T17:01:24Z borodust: in the end i decided just go native bindings route and used one of the obj-c guides 2017-02-19T17:03:02Z borodust: thanks much for all the hard work on the obj-c bindings, those are very nice and straightforward when one got grasp over them :) 2017-02-19T17:59:16Z borodust left #ccl 2017-02-19T19:10:52Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-19T19:15:54Z borodust joined #ccl 2017-02-19T19:29:04Z borodust: that's what i ended up with: https://github.com/borodust/vinoyaku/blob/master/ccl-application.lisp#L12 2017-02-19T19:29:20Z borodust: and it totally works: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hevz7zniwvii626/app.png 2017-02-19T19:37:03Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-19T19:50:45Z pjb: my windows don't show on the screen. They exist, but they stay invisible, even after makeKeyAndOrderFront:. 2017-02-19T20:37:42Z borodust: pjb: do you refere to the example i linked? 2017-02-19T20:38:10Z borodust: anything reported to *standard-output*? 2017-02-19T21:05:47Z pjb: No, I'm running with the ide-application, and making my own windows. It worked with el Capitan, but with Sierra, there are difficulties. 2017-02-19T21:07:29Z pjb: I'm careful doing it in the main threads and everything, but still. Sometimes, with various manipulations such as bringing windows to the front, and what not, I can make them appear. Last time, I had two such windows, the first one appeared, then second one which was apparently of height 0, I enlarged it, but it was entirely transparent (just the shadow was showing). Very strange. 2017-02-19T21:07:42Z pjb: the opaque flag and background color were normal. 2017-02-19T21:29:02Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-19T21:47:42Z borodust: what i found out is that bridge doesn't mix well with #/ dispatch 2017-02-19T21:48:44Z borodust: http://ccl.clozure.com/docs/ccl.html#instantiating-objective-c-objects 2017-02-19T21:48:56Z borodust: instantiating with initargs didn't work for me 2017-02-19T21:50:23Z borodust: other odd case is that i can use objects returned from #'make-instance in other messaging calls (no complains from runtime), but it just behave weirdly 2017-02-19T21:50:55Z borodust: so i switched to full bridging, with using #/alloc instead of make-instance 2017-02-19T21:52:38Z borodust: and it worked like a charm 2017-02-19T21:59:50Z borodust: s/bridge doesn't mix well/convenience layer doesn't mix well/ 2017-02-19T22:07:08Z macdavid quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-19T22:29:06Z rme: Yes, I think that it's better to stick to (#/init 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I implemented this MCL GUI on ccl/MacOSX. 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I'll be around today. 2017-02-25T21:46:32Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-25T21:58:48Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-25T22:09:26Z borodust: hello rme 2017-02-25T23:32:48Z edgar-rft joined #ccl 2017-02-26T01:08:44Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-26T01:39:28Z kkini quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-26T01:39:35Z kkini joined #ccl 2017-02-26T01:44:41Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-26T02:00:25Z pjb quit (Quit: Good night!) 2017-02-26T02:03:17Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2017-02-26T03:24:15Z gk-^1wm-_-- joined #ccl 2017-02-26T03:25:00Z gk-^1wm-_-- quit (K-Lined) 2017-02-26T03:43:40Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-26T04:14:24Z itruslove quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-26T04:29:10Z itruslove joined #ccl 2017-02-26T05:24:06Z swflint_away joined #ccl 2017-02-26T05:33:28Z swflint quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2017-02-26T05:33:29Z swflint_away is now known as swflint 2017-02-26T07:06:48Z edgar-rft joined #ccl 2017-02-26T09:22:12Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-26T10:50:04Z Guest34563 joined #ccl 2017-02-26T11:00:03Z Guest34563 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-26T11:15:53Z pjb quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-26T11:29:22Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-26T13:43:35Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-26T14:54:38Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-26T15:10:33Z edgar-rft is now known as HisNudeness 2017-02-26T15:11:50Z HisNudeness is now known as edgar-rft 2017-02-26T15:24:41Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-26T17:35:40Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-26T17:35:57Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-26T17:43:13Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-26T18:34:11Z logrus joined #ccl 2017-02-26T20:14:36Z eschatologist: It'd be cool for the ObjC and Cocoa interfaces to be in separate Lisp packages, independent of being in separate repos. :) 2017-02-26T20:15:14Z eschatologist: (wrt to borodust's question about ccl::ui-object and ccl::application) 2017-02-26T20:43:52Z pjb: eschatologist: buahaha! 2017-02-26T20:48:10Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-26T20:48:40Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-26T20:50:59Z borodust: eschatologist: well, apparently, it's not required to access those to write native apps, so i'm satisfied with whatever exported symbols there are atm :) 2017-02-26T21:57:48Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2017-02-26T22:20:11Z logrus quit (Quit: Leaving) 2017-02-27T00:02:30Z pjb quit (Quit: Good night!) 2017-02-27T00:35:43Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-27T01:39:34Z kkini quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-27T01:39:41Z kkini joined #ccl 2017-02-27T01:47:57Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-27T01:51:26Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-27T01:51:51Z sjl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-27T03:05:42Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-27T03:05:57Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-27T03:11:51Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-27T03:19:43Z mrottenkolber quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-02-27T03:20:26Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-27T03:59:05Z rumbler31 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2017-02-27T04:13:05Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-27T04:19:57Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-27T04:33:53Z mdc_mobile joined #ccl 2017-02-27T07:20:05Z edgar-rft joined #ccl 2017-02-27T08:59:50Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-27T09:04:34Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2017-02-27T09:09:00Z ogamita joined #ccl 2017-02-27T09:22:31Z hhdave joined #ccl 2017-02-27T09:53:48Z jkleiser joined #ccl 2017-02-27T11:17:01Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2017-02-27T11:40:10Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-27T11:40:30Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2017-02-27T11:40:53Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-27T11:42:47Z mrottenkolber joined #ccl 2017-02-27T11:56:55Z schjetne quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2017-02-27T12:23:22Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-27T12:37:12Z edgar-rft joined #ccl 2017-02-27T13:00:31Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-27T13:05:01Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-27T13:07:16Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2017-02-27T13:49:48Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-27T14:22:40Z schjetne quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-27T15:10:35Z rumbler31 joined #ccl 2017-02-27T15:28:19Z jkleiser quit 2017-02-27T15:47:32Z schjetne joined #ccl 2017-02-27T16:06:42Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2017-02-27T16:16:14Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-27T16:53:02Z edgar-rft quit (Quit: edgar-rft) 2017-02-27T17:28:57Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-27T17:45:15Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-27T17:45:57Z hhdave quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-27T17:51:26Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-27T17:52:59Z ogamita quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2017-02-27T17:53:13Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2017-02-27T17:58:56Z akkad joined #ccl 2017-02-27T18:35:37Z pjb joined #ccl 2017-02-27T21:00:44Z rumbler31 quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2017-02-27T22:13:53Z sjl joined #ccl 2017-02-27T23:00:00Z mrottenkolber: so whats up if process-kill doesn't work? 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