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You can edit ccl:cocoa-ide;Info.plist-proto and then rebuild with (require 'cocoa-application). 2016-04-01T14:44:01Z phf: and then i have this in my ccl-init.lisp 2016-04-01T14:44:05Z phf: (when (getenv "SLIME_PARAM") 2016-04-01T14:44:05Z phf: (eval (read-from-string (getenv "SLIME_PARAM"))) 2016-04-01T14:44:05Z phf: ) 2016-04-01T14:45:31Z phf: you then need to ensure that clozure cl64.app has all the capabilities you need configured and enabled ahead of time, and you add as you go whatever's missing. rme above explains how 2016-04-01T14:48:32Z emaczen: Whatabout the info.plist file for "temp bundle64"? 2016-04-01T14:48:55Z emaczen: This is the name of the application that appears in the menubar when I switch to the CCL listener 2016-04-01T14:49:13Z rme: emaczen: ccl:cocoa-ide;Info.plist-proto again. 2016-04-01T14:49:32Z emaczen: rme: huh? 2016-04-01T14:51:59Z rme: I am trying to explain that you need to edit ccl:cocoa-ide;Info.plist-proto to add the appropriate NSAppTransportSecurity entry. Then, when you do (require 'cocoa), the Info.plist file in the temp bundle64.app bundle will be generated using the Info.plist-proto file as a template. 2016-04-01T14:52:32Z emaczen: I don't understand the syntax "ccl:cocoa-ide:Info.plist-proto" 2016-04-01T14:53:11Z rme: That means the file /cocoa-ide/Info.plist-proto. 2016-04-01T14:53:29Z emaczen: rme: Ahhh I see 2016-04-01T14:53:42Z emaczen: Thanks guys! 2016-04-01T16:38:24Z hhdave quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-04-01T16:56:55Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-04-01T17:10:18Z hydan quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-04-01T17:11:11Z hydan joined #ccl 2016-04-01T18:58:54Z pbgc quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 2016-04-01T19:27:46Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I just get a refused connection when trying to netcat to it 2016-04-01T23:47:35Z sjl: or hit it with anything else 2016-04-01T23:53:46Z sjl: (defvar sock (usocket:socket-listen "localhost" 9998 :reuse-address t)) 2016-04-01T23:53:48Z sjl: (usocket:socket-accept sock :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) 2016-04-01T23:54:04Z sjl: works as expected in sbcl, hangs forever/refuses connections in CCL 2016-04-02T00:13:37Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2016-04-02T01:31:04Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2016-04-02T02:04:58Z jessica joined #ccl 2016-04-02T02:05:01Z jessica: https://filetea.me/t1srJPfpdScRR21CbOHorUQdg 2016-04-02T02:05:02Z jessica left #ccl 2016-04-02T03:11:31Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Is there some ccl setting that I am missing? 2016-04-02T17:57:55Z rme: No, I don't think so. If you're trying to perform the request from a lisp listerner using NSURLRequest, it might not work because NSURLRequest needs a run loop (at least in some cases, IIRC). 2016-04-02T18:04:56Z emaczen: rme: Under what conditions does this run loop get executed? 2016-04-02T18:05:49Z rme: The Cocoa main thread runs one. 2016-04-02T18:06:31Z rme: If you are trying to run a request from the listener, you could try (gui:execute-in-gui #'(lambda () (make-the-request))) and see if that works. 2016-04-02T18:06:50Z emaczen: I'll try that 2016-04-02T18:06:57Z emaczen: Here is an interesting scenario though: 2016-04-02T18:07:34Z emaczen: If I try an HTTPS request, it is as if nothing happens, but if I try a plain HTTP request, I get the warning message for the App transport security 2016-04-02T18:10:45Z rme: It's hard to say why just from IRC messages. 2016-04-02T18:10:52Z rme: Have you tried using #/sendSynchronousRequest:returningResponse:error: ? 2016-04-02T18:11:47Z rme: You might not want to use that, but the synchronous request doesn't involve handling any delegate callbacks and would probably avoid this run loop issue. 2016-04-02T18:12:50Z rme: That's a class method on NSURLConnection, by the way. 2016-04-02T18:15:59Z emaczen: rme: executing the connection in the main thread now triggers my connection:didFailWithError callback 2016-04-02T18:16:21Z emaczen: rme: For some reason it is timing out... 2016-04-02T18:18:21Z pbgc quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 2016-04-02T18:20:12Z emaczen: hah -- I am getting a timeout error from other clients so I would imaging this CCL issue is resolved now. 2016-04-02T19:09:59Z emaczen: What is the correct way to pass "NSURLRequestUseProtocolCachePolicy" for the "cache-policy" argument to "requestWithURL"? With objective, I printed it's value and it printed as (null) with CCL I printed it like #$NSURLRequestUseProtocolCachePolicy and the result was 0. I guess I'm unsure of what the type and value of "NSURLRequestUseProtocolCachePolicy" is. 2016-04-02T19:13:03Z rme: You just have to look in the docs. Xcode's documentation window says that NSURLRequestUseProtocolCachePolicy = 0, and is an NSUInteger. 2016-04-02T19:14:36Z rme: But, that's why we have the interface database, too. You just use #$NSURLRequestUseProtocolCachePolicy and you get what should be the right thing. 2016-04-02T19:32:37Z emaczen: Yeah, I'm slowly getting more used to the interface/cocoa/objective-c 2016-04-02T19:56:56Z phf is now known as phf_mobile 2016-04-02T19:58:23Z phf_mobile is now known as phf 2016-04-02T20:25:53Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2016-04-02T21:06:56Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Way, way too much trouble, IMO. 2016-04-07T02:43:28Z phf: ^ same 2016-04-07T02:43:35Z emaczen: rme: haha so you guys have tried? 2016-04-07T02:43:54Z phf: i suspect rme did it to begin with? 2016-04-07T02:44:52Z phf: i mean the port itself 2016-04-07T02:45:22Z phf: i got it to work once, and while fun exercise for insane people, is not really worth it in production 2016-04-07T02:45:43Z emaczen: phf: What do you use for windows/linux then? 2016-04-07T02:45:55Z rme: We had the IDE mostly working on Windows with Cocotron. It was cute, but not a sensible approach to build on. 2016-04-07T02:49:00Z rme: I didn't work on it much, actually. 2016-04-07T02:49:43Z rme: One killer: Cocotron is (or was, last I knew) 32-bit only. 2016-04-07T02:51:45Z phf: emaczen: emacs, it's a rare treat when i get to use clozure ide on mac, because i unfortunately don't get to do much mac os x dev anymore 2016-04-07T02:51:56Z rme: There's not currently any sort of GUI story for non-Mac systems. 2016-04-07T02:52:55Z rme: I am extremely interested in working on a) better UI stuff for the Mac, and b) reasonable UI stuff for other (Unix, maybe Windows) systems.. 2016-04-07T02:53:50Z emaczen: rme: What do you mean by "better"? 2016-04-07T03:00:15Z rme: Well, it's complicated to explain. My experience developing the UI for Opusmodus has led me to conclude that trying to make Objective-C objects map into CLOS is not the best approach to take. 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It never worked in 64-bit, and it's been deprecated (at least) for a long time now. 2016-04-20T02:01:54Z rme: https://code.google.com/archive/p/mcl/ is a version of MCL that runs on Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, using the Rosetta binary translator that last shipped with that release of OS X. 2016-04-20T02:03:08Z rme: I have a VMware virtual machine running Snow Leopard server, and that version of MCL runs in it. 2016-04-20T02:56:03Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-20T03:01:28Z MetaHertz joined #ccl 2016-04-20T03:05:30Z burton`: Sounds a bit too complicated for my needs, but thanks for the answers! 2016-04-20T03:14:43Z DavidGuru quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-04-20T03:14:51Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-20T06:22:01Z DavidGuru1 joined #ccl 2016-04-20T06:22:11Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-20T06:22:12Z DavidGuru1 is now known as DavidGuru 2016-04-20T07:17:31Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-04-20T07:17:32Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-04-20T07:23:43Z sigjuice quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2016-04-20T07:25:18Z sigjuice joined #ccl 2016-04-20T08:30:07Z consolers joined #ccl 2016-04-20T10:26:11Z consolers quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-04-20T10:31:24Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-20T11:29:55Z MetaHertz quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-20T12:43:13Z wgslayer joined #ccl 2016-04-20T12:53:49Z wgslayer quit (Quit: wgslayer) 2016-04-20T14:04:34Z rme joined #ccl 2016-04-20T14:21:54Z d2718 joined #ccl 2016-04-20T14:23:24Z d2718 quit (Client Quit) 2016-04-20T17:11:10Z hydan joined #ccl 2016-04-20T18:30:31Z clop2 quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-04-20T19:38:55Z DmHertz joined #ccl 2016-04-20T19:39:19Z DmHertz quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-04-21T00:58:00Z nChaos joined #ccl 2016-04-21T00:59:36Z nChaos: (print "hello world") 2016-04-21T00:59:42Z nChaos: heheheh 2016-04-21T01:09:52Z nChaos left #ccl 2016-04-21T01:19:39Z zRecursive joined #ccl 2016-04-21T01:25:40Z sjl joined #ccl 2016-04-21T01:26:24Z sjl: is there an up-to-date guide on working with the objective-c/cocoa bridges? specifically about making os x interfaces with them? 2016-04-21T01:26:44Z sjl: I found some scattered .RTF docs in teh subversion repo, but the code appears to have bitrotted to the point where it won't run any more 2016-04-21T01:29:08Z rme: sjl: I don't think there's any up-to-date guide. https://github.com/Clozure/dpf is a standalone application I wrote with it, if you want some sample code that's not the contents of ccl:cocoa-ide; itself. 2016-04-21T01:31:30Z sjl: rme: hm, yeah this looks better. can you start the UI from within a running lisp instance (through slime or whatever)? 2016-04-21T01:31:49Z sjl: the CCL manual only talks about nibs when talking about building a standalone application 2016-04-21T01:32:12Z sjl: but I really just want to be able to make a graphical debugger for a project I'm working on, that I can fire up if something goes wrong 2016-04-21T01:34:11Z rme: You can look at http://www.clozure.com/~rme/no-nib-cocoa.lisp, which I wrote a while ago. It might still work. 2016-04-21T01:34:51Z sjl: hm 2016-04-21T01:35:02Z sjl: I do want a nib, I just want to load it at runtime 2016-04-21T01:35:19Z rme: It's quite awkward to use nib files now that Interface Builder is part of Xcode. You basically have to create dummy Objective-C classes that match the ones you define in Lisp. This way, you can wire up connections and so forth. 2016-04-21T01:35:22Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-21T01:35:36Z sjl: Yeah I found that out trying to go through the old tutorial 2016-04-21T01:35:44Z sjl: annoying but I can live with that for this little project 2016-04-21T01:36:24Z sjl: ah maybe 'defun start-cocoa-application' is what I need 2016-04-21T01:37:14Z sjl: ok I'll poke around later when I have more time. thanks! 2016-04-21T01:37:31Z rme: Good luck. It's a bit complicated. I would like to make it better someday. 2016-04-21T01:43:22Z Guest88358 joined #ccl 2016-04-21T01:44:48Z Guest88358 left #ccl 2016-04-21T02:25:01Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-21T02:31:15Z emaczen: I just setup dual monitors, and am wondering how I can get NSWindows to appear on the second monitor? 2016-04-21T02:31:21Z clop quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-04-21T02:44:37Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-21T02:45:21Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-21T02:49:01Z sjl quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-04-21T02:50:39Z sjl joined #ccl 2016-04-21T03:00:35Z DavidGuru quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-04-21T03:00:45Z DavidGuru1 joined #ccl 2016-04-21T03:03:08Z DavidGuru1 is now known as DavidGuru 2016-04-21T03:46:05Z rme: emaczen: There's a method on NSWindow called initWithContentRect:styleMask:backing:defer:screen: which lets you pass in the NSScreen you want the window to appear on. 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has already been read, or attempted and failed to as is the case 2016-04-22T02:44:46Z phf: *by which 2016-04-22T02:46:43Z emaczen: phf: How would you define a with-readtable macro then? 2016-04-22T02:47:33Z phf: welllll... 2016-04-22T02:48:17Z phf: perhaps the responsible, #lisp answer is "you don't", but 2016-04-22T02:49:11Z phf: you could define a working equivalent of with-readtable by writing a reader macro 2016-04-22T02:52:49Z phf: using set-dispatch-macro-character for example you can add something like #T*foo* #{:a 1 :b 2} by doing an equivalent of (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\T (lambda (stream ...) (let ((*readtable* (read-symbol 'stream))) (read stream)))) 2016-04-22T02:52:49Z emaczen: I guess I don't really need the macro right now... 2016-04-22T02:55:08Z phf: in other words you need to add a reader macro to the current readtable that would change the readtable before reading following forms 2016-04-22T02:56:48Z emaczen: phf: That makes sense, thanks for the clarification 2016-04-22T03:03:34Z kini quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-22T04:09:08Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T04:21:39Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-04-22T05:12:59Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-04-22T05:22:10Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T05:40:57Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-22T06:07:20Z zRecursive: Can defclass completely replaces defstruct ? 2016-04-22T06:16:27Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T06:44:39Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-22T06:45:20Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T07:11:24Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-04-22T07:35:40Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T07:37:06Z sjl joined #ccl 2016-04-22T07:54:13Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2016-04-22T08:15:04Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-22T08:35:42Z sjl joined #ccl 2016-04-22T08:36:02Z zRecursive left #ccl 2016-04-22T08:51:55Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-04-22T08:51:55Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-04-22T09:16:58Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T09:30:37Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-22T10:01:50Z vydd joined #ccl 2016-04-22T10:43:07Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T10:47:19Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-22T13:40:00Z nzambe joined #ccl 2016-04-22T13:42:51Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-22T13:47:09Z DavidGuru quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-04-22T15:39:44Z vydd quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-04-22T16:23:54Z rme joined #ccl 2016-04-22T17:47:47Z sjl quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2016-04-22T17:54:40Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-22T17:59:58Z emaczen: I'm having trouble converting a NSMutableString to a NSString -- objc methods that I have learned of from the internet aren't working i.e. #/stringWithString and #/copy 2016-04-22T18:00:53Z emaczen: also they say to typecast, and I tried #'coerce 2016-04-22T18:12:00Z phf: emaczen: (#/stringWithString: ns:ns-string #@"test") 2016-04-22T18:12:38Z emaczen: phf: pass an NSMutableString instead of a constant string 2016-04-22T18:12:55Z phf: ohoh 2016-04-22T18:16:30Z phf: wait, then i'm confused about the purpose 2016-04-22T18:17:06Z emaczen: I'm trying to convert a NSMutableString to just a NSString 2016-04-22T18:18:00Z emaczen: The url paramater to an NSURLRequest is apparently unhappy with a NSMutableString 2016-04-22T18:20:36Z rme: emaczen: That sounds very odd. NSMutableString is a subclass of NSString, so you should be able to use an NSMutableString anywhere you could use an NSString. 2016-04-22T18:22:20Z emaczen: rme: The only way I have gotten an NSURLRequest to work is when I set the url parameter with the #@ macro 2016-04-22T18:22:45Z phf: emaczen: are you first converting your string to NSURL? 2016-04-22T18:22:58Z emaczen: If I use (objc:make-nsstring some-lisp-string) it doesn't work 2016-04-22T18:24:12Z emaczen: I'm doing (make-instance 'ns:ns-url-request :with-url (make-instance 'ns:ns-url :with-string (objc:make-nsstring some-lisp-string))) 2016-04-22T18:24:56Z emaczen: It works if I use #@"literal-string" instead of (objc:make-nsstring some-lisp-string) 2016-04-22T18:25:07Z phf: (#/requestWithURL: ns:ns-url-request (#/URLWithString: ns:ns-url (objc:make-nsstring "http://google.com"))) 2016-04-22T18:26:38Z emaczen: phf: If you pass a literal lisp string to objc:make-nsstring it makes an NSString but if you pass a variable whose value is a string than it seems to create a NSMutableString 2016-04-22T18:27:41Z phf: (let ((a "http://google.com")) (#/requestWithURL: ns:ns-url-request (#/URLWithString: ns:ns-url (objc:make-nsstring a)))) 2016-04-22T18:27:43Z phf: ? 2016-04-22T18:27:54Z rme: emaczen: I myself don't use make-instance on Objective-C objects. 2016-04-22T18:28:10Z emaczen: rme: Why? 2016-04-22T18:28:36Z rme: You may also like to use ccl:with-cfstring or ccl:with-cfurl in cases like this. See ccl:mac-ui;cf-utils.lisp. 2016-04-22T18:29:51Z rme: emaczen: Because using make-instance makes it look like Objective-C objects would act like lisp objects, and they don't---particularly with respect to garbage collection. Sticking to the #/ syntax everywhere helps remind me that I'm working with foriegn objects. 2016-04-22T18:29:54Z rme: But that's just me. 2016-04-22T18:31:35Z rme: Oh, wait, beware of with-cfurl: that only works with pathnames. 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So what exactly does the former statement mean? 2016-04-26T01:58:13Z rumbler31: at the end of the day i'm trying to modify a section of an array with a helper function. I assumed I could pass the helper function the results of a subseq call on the original in order to modify just that place 2016-04-26T01:58:31Z rumbler31: given that the hyperspec example demonstrates that setf on the result of subseq modifies the original 2016-04-26T01:59:06Z rumbler31: but I see that the replace function could work too, where I simply construct the replacement vector and return it, then use that in a replace call 2016-04-26T02:07:33Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-26T02:09:11Z DavidGuru joined #ccl 2016-04-26T02:13:04Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-26T02:16:24Z rme: subseq and (setf subseq) are really two totally different functions. 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2016-04-27T20:25:38Z emaczen: I've been starting it from emacs 2016-04-27T20:26:40Z rme: If you want to make a double-clickable application, you can start ccl from a terminal and then evaluate (require 'cocoa-application). 2016-04-27T20:28:22Z emaczen: rme: thanks 2016-04-27T20:38:26Z wgslayer quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-04-27T21:44:49Z emaczen: How do I call #/newDocument? Or what is the equivalent of "command+N" programatically? 2016-04-27T22:16:04Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-27T22:43:30Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-27T22:44:25Z emaczen: What is the programmatic equivalent of "Command+N" in the CCL menubar for opening a file? 2016-04-27T22:44:58Z emaczen: I see the menu code where it sets the a selector to #\newDocument, but I don't see anything else. 2016-04-27T22:45:09Z rme: emaczen: One easy thing that might work for you is to use (cl:ed "/path/to/file.lisp"). 2016-04-27T22:48:22Z emaczen: rme: that doesn't seem to work for creating new files. 2016-04-27T22:54:11Z rme: You could look at gui::find-or-make-hemlock-view. 2016-04-27T22:55:25Z emaczen: rme: Is there an equivalent of the *messages* buffer so I can see what is functions are being called by hemlock? 2016-04-27T22:56:11Z rme: Not that I recall, sorry. 2016-04-27T23:05:17Z emaczen: rme: Thanks -- I'll catch the file-not-found error and make the file if it doesn't exist and then open it again. 2016-04-28T00:08:03Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-28T00:13:48Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-28T00:20:03Z Intensity quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-28T00:21:05Z akkad quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2016-04-28T00:28:32Z Intensity joined #ccl 2016-04-28T00:29:33Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-28T00:37:09Z akkad joined #ccl 2016-04-28T01:54:49Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-28T02:40:34Z emaczen quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-04-28T02:41:52Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-28T03:15:42Z emaczen: Is it possible for the default-string in (prompt-for-string ....) to be editable in the echo area? 2016-04-28T03:46:17Z emaczen quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)) 2016-04-28T03:53:24Z MetaHertz__ joined #ccl 2016-04-28T04:09:22Z emaczen joined #ccl 2016-04-28T04:17:20Z emaczen: How do I determine what "kind" and "where" are when deleting a key binding? 2016-04-28T04:57:37Z emaczen: I would like to define a "kill-buffer" command that closes the current window. hemlock-views seem to be the right objects, but they are not NSViews... 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