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Dispatching macro characters still invoke the dispatch function. 2016-01-06T01:28:23Z rme: If you look for *read-suppress* in the spec, I think it sort of explains it somewhere. 2016-01-06T01:45:55Z PuercoPop: rme: will read, thanks for the pointer 2016-01-06T02:51:33Z nzambe quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2016-01-06T02:52:40Z nzambe joined #ccl 2016-01-06T04:34:27Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2016-01-06T04:37:27Z akkad joined #ccl 2016-01-06T05:00:56Z |3b| joined #ccl 2016-01-06T06:23:03Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-01-06T12:42:09Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-06T13:26:36Z pbgc quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2016-01-06T13:37:42Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-06T14:04:01Z rme joined #ccl 2016-01-06T15:59:24Z nzambe quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2016-01-06T18:20:23Z pbgc quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/) 2016-01-06T18:58:31Z akkad: have a program to tail 87 sshd.log files parse out dates, send relavant information to slack. on sbcl it ate 7% of ram typically. ccl is .7% insane 2016-01-06T22:04:38Z rme quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2016-01-07T11:46:21Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-07T13:06:23Z pbgc quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2016-01-07T13:18:23Z PuercoPop quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-01-07T13:18:56Z PuercoPop joined #ccl 2016-01-07T13:19:27Z sixbitslacker quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2016-01-07T13:26:47Z rme joined #ccl 2016-01-07T13:50:03Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-07T16:10:23Z hlavaty joined #ccl 2016-01-07T16:21:27Z pbgc quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2016-01-07T16:43:48Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-07T17:19:04Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-01-07T17:19:05Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-01-07T17:31:24Z rme joined #ccl 2016-01-07T19:38:54Z akkad quit (*.net *.split) 2016-01-07T19:38:55Z pbgc quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2016-01-07T19:40:29Z akkad_ joined #ccl 2016-01-07T19:59:56Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-07T20:22:26Z pbgc quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2016-01-07T22:58:03Z akkad_ is now known as akkad 2016-01-07T22:58:04Z akkad is now known as akkad` 2016-01-07T22:58:35Z akkad` is now known as akkad 2016-01-07T23:01:15Z gbyers: akkad: if you were trying to say that the implementations both used 7% of RAM, I don't know if or why that is insane, If you were trying to say something else, you may not have said what I read. 2016-01-07T23:08:43Z gbyers: akkad: to try to answer an earlier question: the condition is usually in ccl::*break-condition*. 2016-01-07T23:21:37Z phf: i think he's saying ccl has a lower memory impact (which is anecdotally true) 2016-01-08T06:09:54Z jackdaniel quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2016-01-08T06:10:02Z jackdaniel joined #ccl 2016-01-08T08:08:20Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-01-08T09:06:57Z sigjuice quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2016-01-08T09:08:43Z sigjuice joined #ccl 2016-01-08T09:30:07Z consolers joined #ccl 2016-01-08T09:32:24Z consolers: pjb the interface package thing you posted is just the "FOO-IMPL" "FOO" "FOO-USER" conventional technology -- even CL has "CL" and "CL-USER" 2016-01-08T09:57:45Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-01-08T10:03:21Z jdz joined #ccl 2016-01-08T10:25:03Z consolers quit (Quit: /) 2016-01-08T10:28:42Z hlavaty left #ccl 2016-01-08T10:36:10Z consolers joined #ccl 2016-01-08T10:39:11Z consolers: I had two ccl related questions, but I'm still using ccl-1.5, maybe you can check if these have been fixed 2016-01-08T10:40:34Z consolers: 1. ccl prints a wrong "No matching bracket in format string" warning when encoutering a format string like this (format nil (format nil "~{~~~d<~~a~~>~^ ~}" '(5 10 15)) "foo" "bar" "car") ; the ~ before the > bracket is escaped 2016-01-08T10:43:48Z consolers: 2. i guess is just a lw bug 2016-01-08T11:37:17Z consolers quit (Quit: /) 2016-01-08T14:51:47Z rme joined #ccl 2016-01-08T17:30:33Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2016-01-08T18:02:07Z ekinmur_ joined #ccl 2016-01-08T18:04:38Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-01-08T18:04:44Z jdz joined #ccl 2016-01-08T18:05:06Z ekinmur quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-01-08T18:19:58Z ekinmur_ quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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So, it sounds like you want (ccl:native-translated-namestring "~/binky") 2016-01-09T03:23:12Z newbie55443: I tried 6 variants of (native-translated-namestring "sometext") all fail 2016-01-09T03:23:42Z |3b|: sbcl devs make some effort to reduce and/or avoid increasing memory size, but it is probably a bit late to make any major improvements to it, particularly without affecting performance 2016-01-09T03:24:51Z gz_ quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-01-09T03:24:51Z alms_clozure quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2016-01-09T03:26:00Z rme: newbie55443: If you gave a more specific example of what you tried, what you expected to get, and what you got, I might be able to suggest something more helpful. 2016-01-09T03:26:32Z alms_clozure joined #ccl 2016-01-09T03:26:32Z gz_ joined #ccl 2016-01-09T03:28:10Z newbie55443: (make-pathname :name (native-translated-namestring "~/binky")) Error: Filename "\\/Users\\/myusername\\/binky" contains illegal character #\/ 2016-01-09T03:32:06Z rme: Do you need make-pathname for some reason? It's OK just to use a namestring instead in just about every place I can think of. So, (probe-file "/etc/passwd") is just as good as (probe-file (make-pathname :name "passwd" :type nil :directory '(:absolute "etc")) 2016-01-09T03:35:46Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2016-01-09T03:37:23Z newbie55443: I am just trying a test to see what problems might crop up when trying to use ccl. I type in the ray tracer from "ANSI Common Lisp" (by Paul Graham). All the functions work with no problem except for the very last one, where it tries to build a filename to write the output image to. I can't seem to get that to work. Either the filename has an illegal character #\/ or I get Permission denied : 2016-01-09T03:37:23Z newbie55443: #P"~binky" (or similar) with a bad username 2016-01-09T03:38:10Z rme: OK, let me get that book off the bookshelf and look. 2016-01-09T03:38:12Z newbie55443: Rme: anything that lets me open a file and write to it is good for now :-) 2016-01-09T03:38:50Z newbie55443: Page 157 is the (defun ray-test 2016-01-09T03:39:16Z newbie55443: The last part of the function tries to open a file 2016-01-09T03:42:54Z rme: You can just replace (make-pathname ...) with a plain string, e.g., "~/foo.pgm" or "/tmp/foo.pgm. So, (tracer "/tmp/foo.pgm" res). 2016-01-09T03:51:23Z newbie55443: Rme: Thanks, that worked like a charm! Might I ask one more question? Might you happen to have a book recommendation for re-learning lisp? I learned it a long time ago, but will need to speed-read to rebuild all the memories. Also, when I learned lisp it was not object-oriented. I bought the book "Common Lisp" by Touretzky but it is rather elementary and doesn't mention object oriented progra 2016-01-09T03:51:24Z newbie55443: mming at all (no fault of the book, it specifically states "A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation"). I'm hoping for a book that has some coverage of OOP and has at least an intro to writing high performance code. 2016-01-09T03:52:42Z newbie55443: Maybe has a section on code optimization 2016-01-09T03:53:29Z newbie55443: The book by Paul Graham seems pretty good to me but maybe you know of a better one 2016-01-09T03:55:50Z rme: http://gigamonkeys.com/book/ is well-liked. It's online there, and you can also get a hardcopy. http://norvig.com/paip.html is also a great book. It's more about CL programming than about AI specifically. 2016-01-09T03:57:39Z rme: PAIP has some content on optimization, but it's necessarily fairly general. 2016-01-09T03:58:18Z newbie55443: I looked at the Norvig Principles of AI programming (is that what PAIP is) a lot and really like the material but does it cover OOP, threads, 2016-01-09T03:59:06Z newbie55443: And writing fast code? (Sorry, I have a bad IRC client) 2016-01-09T04:00:15Z rme: https://www.apress.com/9781484211779 is a new book that just came out. I haven't seen it myself, but from the web site, it looks like it might be interesting to you. 2016-01-09T04:01:00Z newbie55443: Yes, that one looked good on Amazon as well. 2016-01-09T04:01:44Z newbie55443: Rme, thanks for your help and book recommendation, I really appreciate it! :-) 2016-01-09T04:02:30Z rme: It sounds like you might prefer Common Lisp Recipes to PAIP for the moment. But get both if you can. Good luck. 2016-01-09T04:02:44Z phf: newbie55443: paip covers writing performant code, i.e. norvig is a competent common lisp developer so he makes corresponding choices in his data and code structures (none of that intro to "LISP", needless recursive functions on lists etc.) 2016-01-09T04:03:18Z phf: but it doesn't cover oop or threads. threads are non-portable so there's not really an adequate treatment of them anywhere. maybe the new edi weitz book mentioned has something, but i'm still waiting for mine to arrive 2016-01-09T04:04:52Z phf: if you're looking for an excellent specifically oop in lisp book, i highly recommend sonya keene's "object-oriented programming in common lisp" book 2016-01-09T04:05:08Z newbie55443: Phf, ah, I see. That's exactly what I'm looking for. I already love PAIP because it covers AI. If it also has examples of choosing high performance code/data structures then it's perfect for me. 2016-01-09T04:06:28Z newbie55443: Rme, Phf, thanks! 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i tried your new write-unsigned-byte-hex-digits and it seems great 2016-01-18T19:39:03Z clop: some of my old code broke, apparently I can't use (require "BIGNUM") now? 2016-01-18T19:39:10Z clop: which is fine and I know I shouldn't be doing that 2016-01-18T19:39:35Z clop: but i wonder if there's an easy way to patch it in the short-term for benchmarking comparisons 2016-01-18T19:45:35Z clop: aah looks like i just need to require NUMBER-MACROS instead 2016-01-18T20:01:39Z rme: clop: I'm here again, but it sounds like you solved your problem. 2016-01-18T21:06:13Z clop: yep thanks -- btw i've integrated this into our io-heavy application and it's getting about a 26% performance whole-program boost (well, for one test case), which is really great 2016-01-18T21:06:32Z clop: at least compared to a slightly older version of ccl using my old fastnumio stuff 2016-01-18T21:07:06Z rme: That sounds good. I'm in the middle of making reading hex numbers fast now. 2016-01-18T21:08:25Z rme: I experimented with making the standard reader read large hex numbers without extra consing, but it didn't help all the much. 2016-01-19T00:13:23Z adlai quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2016-01-19T00:26:55Z adlai joined #ccl 2016-01-19T02:04:12Z adlai quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-01-19T03:49:41Z adlai joined #ccl 2016-01-19T04:01:22Z adlai quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-01-19T04:13:48Z adlai joined #ccl 2016-01-19T05:15:08Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-01-19T05:15:08Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2016-01-19T07:05:46Z Intensity quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2016-01-19T07:10:55Z Intensity joined #ccl 2016-01-19T08:08:23Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2016-01-19T08:13:18Z jdz joined #ccl 2016-01-19T08:34:20Z Quadrescence quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2016-01-19T08:43:03Z Quadrescence joined #ccl 2016-01-19T13:22:00Z Quadrescence quit (Quit: Leaving) 2016-01-19T14:02:35Z henry_ joined #ccl 2016-01-19T14:19:21Z henry_: experimenting with memory mapped files. it looks like they are currently supported on windows. my benchmark code probably isn't very well informed, and access to the supplied vector is slow 2016-01-19T14:20:06Z henry_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/305414 2016-01-19T14:50:00Z ogam: henry_: memory mapped files still have to do I/O. The only difference, is that instead of doing it upon an explicit read or write, they do it on a segfault. It might be less efficient since now the kernel has to guess what you want from a single address! (How much should it read? When should it write back?) 2016-01-19T14:50:20Z ogam: henry_: ie. you don't use mmap for efficient, you use it because you're lazy. 2016-01-19T14:50:28Z henry_: huh.... 2016-01-19T14:50:56Z henry_: got some reading to do then! 2016-01-19T14:51:42Z ogam: It's good to be lazy, mmap allows you to avoid completely coding I/O, like the garbage collector allows you to completely coding memory management :-) 2016-01-19T14:53:03Z pbgc joined #ccl 2016-01-19T14:55:07Z rme joined #ccl 2016-01-19T14:55:12Z henry_: I guess I misunderstand you. 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