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So do git and mercurial. I slightly prefer having the entire archive spread around. More resistant to server disk crash, and possible to do more offline. But those are nits. 2015-10-02T18:42:13Z sixbitslacker: git-svn worked pretty well for me, when i had to work on a client's svn repo over a crappy internet link a couple of years ago. 2015-10-02T22:05:44Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-10-02T22:05:49Z Ettore quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-10-02T22:06:11Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-10-02T22:06:23Z Ettore quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-10-02T22:06:40Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-10-02T22:58:20Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-10-02T23:01:06Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-10-02T23:01:10Z ddp quit (Client Quit) 2015-10-02T23:01:25Z ddp joined #ccl 2015-10-02T23:01:48Z ddp left #ccl 2015-10-03T01:27:54Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-10-03T01:32:24Z fu7mu4: I failed to kernel-rebuild ccl 1.10 rev 16610 on Mac 10.11. what should I do ? 2015-10-03T01:34:16Z rme: I can't be sure this will help (you haven't included any error message), but perhaps doing "xcode-select --install" and then trying again. 2015-10-03T01:34:32Z rme: Especially if the error message was something like : not found. 2015-10-03T01:36:48Z fu7mu4: Can't find #P"ccl:bin;pprint.dx64fsl.newest" so requiring "ccl:lib;p 2015-10-03T01:36:49Z fu7mu4: print.lisp" instead 2015-10-03T01:37:38Z fu7mu4: sorry 2015-10-03T01:38:29Z fu7mu4: when rebuilding kernel says” 2015-10-03T01:38:29Z fu7mu4: Building lisp-kernel ...> Error of type SIMPLE-ERROR: Error(s) during kernel compilation.” 2015-10-03T01:39:33Z rme: OK. To troubleshoot, I suggest doing "cd lisp-kernel/darwinx8664; make clean; make". That will tell us why the lisp kernel is failing to compile. 2015-10-03T01:43:02Z fu7mu4: that create too many errors ../x86-spjump64.s:97:9: error: unsupported directive '.stabs' 2015-10-03T01:44:05Z fu7mu4: and ../x86-spjump64.s:101:9: error: unknown directive 2015-10-03T01:44:20Z rme: OK. I know what the problem is. 2015-10-03T01:44:52Z rme: You can add "-Q" to ASFLAS in lisp-kernel/darwinx8664/Makefile and that will enable you to compile the lisp kernel. 2015-10-03T01:44:57Z rme: ASFLAGS 2015-10-03T01:45:51Z rme: Or, you can switch to the 1.11 pre-release branch. http://ccl.clozure.com/blog/?p=178 2015-10-03T01:47:11Z rme: In 10.11, the default assembler is the clang integrated assembler, and it doesn't understand .stabs directives. The -Q flag makes it use the prior, separate assembler. 2015-10-03T01:47:13Z fu7mu4: thanks, I'm trying to "-Q" 2015-10-03T01:48:52Z fu7mu4: no error ! thanks 2015-10-03T01:49:03Z gz quit (Ping timeout: 184 seconds) 2015-10-03T01:49:18Z rme: you're welcome 2015-10-03T02:27:13Z alms_ joined #ccl 2015-10-03T02:27:16Z alms_: hmm, interesting. 2015-10-03T02:27:29Z alms_: I’m here from colloquy. 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consolers: oops, pjb declare is a statement 2015-10-07T01:39:39Z pjb: Nope. Go read the CLHS for once. 2015-10-07T01:40:25Z jdz quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-10-07T01:46:30Z jdz joined #ccl 2015-10-07T01:51:20Z consolers: thats a clhs bug 2015-10-07T01:52:50Z consolers: not quite a bug here 2015-10-07T01:56:49Z consolers: since everything is an expression 2015-10-07T01:56:53Z consolers: anyway 2015-10-07T02:46:23Z consolers quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-10-07T02:51:55Z ajf- quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-10-07T05:42:12Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-10-07T05:42:12Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-10-07T05:47:22Z rme joined #ccl 2015-10-07T06:55:51Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-10-07T07:13:37Z Ettore quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-10-07T08:52:50Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-10-07T09:35:01Z hlavaty joined #ccl 2015-10-07T09:38:45Z Ettore joined #ccl 2015-10-07T10:12:41Z anthracite joined #ccl 2015-10-07T11:02:45Z anthracite quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2015-10-19T23:19:56Z gendl: Hi, did somebody fix something to make CCL 1.11 work with portable aserve? 2015-10-19T23:20:15Z gendl: I'm pretty sure (net.aserve:start :port 9100) was failing a couple weeks ago. 2015-10-19T23:20:39Z gendl: I just installed latest CCL 1.11 and aserve from latest quicklisp to try to debug, and lo and behold, it seems to not be broken. 2015-10-19T23:58:46Z faheem__ joined #ccl 2015-10-20T00:23:09Z ogamita joined #ccl 2015-10-20T00:24:58Z rme: gendl: I didn't fix aserve specifically. I merged a few fixes to the 1.11 branch, but I think they mainly involved the ARM taget. 2015-10-20T00:25:29Z gendl: rme: I just tracked down the so-called aserve bug. 2015-10-20T00:25:33Z gendl: it's a couple things, actually. 2015-10-20T00:25:52Z gendl: The root issue is actually coming from the aserve client 2015-10-20T00:26:07Z gendl: net.aserve.client:do-http-request is calling on to ccl:make-socket 2015-10-20T00:26:35Z gendl: and ccl:make-socket is apparently trying :internet6 with a service which doesn't happen to support that protocol 2015-10-20T00:26:45Z gendl: so it errors out with "Protocol family not supported" 2015-10-20T00:27:10Z gendl: maybe this is not technically a bug --- I'm not sure how ipv6 vs ipv4 is supposed to work. 2015-10-20T00:27:24Z gendl: The call is (net.aserve.client:do-http-request "http://locahost:9000") 2015-10-20T00:27:32Z rme: Sockets changed a quite a bit since 1.10 (to add ipv6). It looks like that's causing a problem with portable aserve. 2015-10-20T00:27:33Z gendl: where localhost indeed has another aserve running on 9000 2015-10-20T00:28:03Z gendl: now, if I change that call to (ccl:make-socket :protocol-family :inernet ...) it works fine. 2015-10-20T00:28:06Z ogamita quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-10-20T00:28:22Z gendl: :protocol-family :internet that is 2015-10-20T00:28:46Z gendl: I think CCL is doing the right thing, because there is a /etc/hosts entry for localhost which looks like a ipv6 entry. 2015-10-20T00:28:50Z gendl: looks like ::1 2015-10-20T00:29:12Z gendl: but apparently the allegroserve on 9000 itself does not support ipv6 2015-10-20T00:29:42Z gendl: what I'm not sure is -- should the ccl:make-socket automatically "fall back" to :protocol-family :internet 2015-10-20T00:30:03Z gendl: or is that some logic which needs to be added to the portable aserve client 2015-10-20T00:30:31Z gendl: or rather to the acl-compat.socket:make-socket code 2015-10-20T00:30:59Z rme: Sometimes resolve-address will give you an ipv6 address in preference to an ipv4 address. 2015-10-20T00:31:01Z gendl: to try ipv6 (if available) then fall back to ipv4 (if the host also has an ipv4 address mapping, as in this case it does 2015-10-20T00:31:20Z gendl: yes it looks like that is happening here. 2015-10-20T00:31:35Z gendl: if I delete the ::1 entry for localhost from /etc/hosts then there is no problem 2015-10-20T00:31:54Z gendl: so resolve-address must be giving the ::1 2015-10-20T00:31:58Z gendl: for localhost 2015-10-20T00:32:10Z gendl: i'm just a bit confused as to whose bug this is. 2015-10-20T00:32:17Z rme: I'm not sure what to say. 2015-10-20T00:32:39Z gendl: is it a bug that the allegroserve on the serving end doesn't support ipv6 on a host which is advertising an ipv6 mapping? 2015-10-20T00:32:46Z gendl: I guess i need to ask that on another forum. 2015-10-20T00:33:13Z rme: If ccl previously defaulted to ipv4, and now we're defaulting to ipv6, we probably shouldn't be doing that. 2015-10-20T00:33:58Z gendl: or at least maybe it should fall back to ipv4 if ipv6 gives a "protocol family not supported" error. 2015-10-20T00:34:11Z gendl: the ccl:make-socket should fall back, that is 2015-10-20T00:34:29Z gendl: or any other function which might result in that "protocol not supported" error. 2015-10-20T00:35:08Z gendl: did CCL 1.10 have :internet6 as an option? 2015-10-20T00:35:16Z gendl: but it apparently wasn't defaulting to that? 2015-10-20T00:35:19Z rme: No, the ipv6 support is new in 1.11. 2015-10-20T00:35:57Z gendl: I'm not sure if you are defaulting to ipv6 per se - you're probably defaulting to whatever address protocol is returned by resolve-address. 2015-10-20T00:36:11Z gendl: which, on the face of it, seems to make sense. 2015-10-20T00:36:57Z gendl: so the question is - is it ccl:make-socket which should be falling back to :internet in the case of a protocol-not-supported error, 2015-10-20T00:37:08Z gendl: or is it the calling (application) code which should be doing that 2015-10-20T00:37:45Z rme: My initial feeling is that handing protocol-not-supported that way is not something ccl:make-socket should be doing. That seems to be above its pay grade, as it were. 2015-10-20T00:37:47Z gendl: in this case the acl-compat.socket:make-socket code. 2015-10-20T00:38:44Z gendl: yeah, it seems like since the :protocol-family is already an argument to ccl:make-socket, that function itself should not be mucking about with it 2015-10-20T00:39:10Z gendl: it should default to whatever makes sense and be done with it, and let any calling code worry about re-calling it with a different protocol-family 2015-10-20T00:39:12Z rme: In library/sockets.lisp, there's a function called make-tcp-stream. It calls resolve-address. If you add ":address-family address-family" to that call, does that help you? 2015-10-20T00:40:06Z gendl: let's see... 2015-10-20T00:41:26Z rme: Oh, that probably won't help...we already pass that, I think. 2015-10-20T00:41:47Z rme: I will try to look at it in the morning when I'm more alert. 2015-10-20T00:43:19Z gendl: I have a feeling CCL is doing the reasonable thing already - the host is resolving as an :internet6 address, after all. 2015-10-20T00:46:00Z rme: (resolve-address :host "localhost" :port 9000) => an ipv6 address 2015-10-20T00:46:08Z rme: (resolve-address :host "localhost" :port 9000 :address-family :internet) => an ipv4 address 2015-10-20T00:47:27Z gendl: yes, that's what I see. 2015-10-20T00:48:53Z gendl: but then making a socket on :host "localhost" :port 9000 gives the "address family not supported" error. 2015-10-20T00:49:14Z gendl: Should resolve-host be able to detect that port 9000 is not running a ipv6-compatible service? 2015-10-20T00:50:34Z gendl: and/or is it time to make portable aserve compatible with ipv6 (which apparently it isn't yet - and I have no idea if that would be a trivial or huge task) 2015-10-20T00:51:10Z rme: No, I don't think so. I think (at the moment, anyway) that ccl:make-socket needs to default to using ipv4 unless otherwise explicitly specified. 2015-10-20T00:52:44Z gendl: but if the host resolves to an ipv6 host (and it _only_ resolves to ipv6), then defaulting to :internet6 would be the right thing, wouldn't it? 2015-10-20T00:53:07Z gendl: fwiw, original aserve appears to support ipv6 these days... 2015-10-20T00:56:37Z rme: Good question. I think ipv6 needs to be opt-in. If you want it, you need to say :address-family :internet6. Otherwise, for the sake of compatibility, I think the default should be :internet (which it is, but that's not getting through to resolve-address). 2015-10-20T00:56:52Z rme: How about if I look at it in tomorrow morning if I can? 2015-10-20T00:56:57Z gendl: thanks. 2015-10-20T00:57:38Z gendl: In the meantime I'm going to look into adding ipv6 support for portableaserve, as it's probably been in original aserve for some time now... 2015-10-20T01:05:39Z gendl: Yeah, I'm not even sure if ipv6 would even be at the aserve level, or at a lower level i.e. in the socket library calls... 2015-10-20T01:05:50Z gendl: time to take this to another forum... 2015-10-20T01:38:33Z gendl: Oh yes - the ipv6 issue with ccl:make-socket was the root cause of the issue I was seeing, but downstream from that I was seeing another error which does look like a CCL bug. The following call: 2015-10-20T01:38:43Z gendl: (CCL::MAKE-TCP-SOCKET :CONNECT :PASSIVE :LOCAL-PORT 9000 :LOCAL-HOST NIL :REUSE-ADDRESS T :FORMAT :BIVALENT :BACKLOG NIL :TYPE :STREAM) 2015-10-20T01:39:14Z gendl: when called when port 9000 is already busy, throws an error (as it should), 2015-10-20T01:40:29Z gendl: but the error message itself looks like it has a bug --- it should be something like "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't make a tcp socket on that port, because it appears already to be busy" --- but instead, it's :SITUATION is an invalid initarg to INITIALIZE-INSTANCE for #. 2015-10-20T01:40:29Z gendl: Valid initargs: (:STREAM :ACTION :CODE :IDENTIFIER). 2015-10-20T01:41:02Z gendl: I believe this has been an issue in CCL 1.9 and 1.10 as well. 2015-10-20T01:49:20Z Devon joined #ccl 2015-10-20T02:04:33Z ogamita joined #ccl 2015-10-20T02:28:33Z pjb joined #ccl 2015-10-20T02:37:11Z ajf- joined #ccl 2015-10-20T03:04:27Z Devon quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-10-20T03:09:45Z ajf- quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Since socket-error is exported from ccl, it ends up redefining ccl:socket-error. 2015-10-20T15:14:38Z fu7mu4 quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-10-20T15:15:33Z gendl: Oof. 2015-10-20T15:15:40Z gz: FWIW, it also defines stream-error which is exported from CL, so it defines cl:stream-error class. 2015-10-20T15:16:25Z gendl: I'm hopeful that there is a movement afoot to replace most of the socket code in aserve (i.e. in acl-compat) with usockets. 2015-10-20T15:16:27Z gz: amazing that this hasn’t caused problems before. 2015-10-20T15:17:01Z gz: yeah, another option is to replace the aserve code in aserve with hunchentoot :-) 2015-10-20T15:22:19Z gendl: how possible do you think that would be, while maintaining the aserve API? 2015-10-20T15:22:30Z gendl: anyway, I'll go eat crow on openmcl-devel now... 2015-10-20T15:41:01Z gz: I’m not familiar with the aserve API, but I would guess they’re quite different. I.e. it wouldn’t be trivial. On the other hand, they provide exactly the same functionality, so there’s gotta be equivalents for everything, so it wouldn’t be terribly hard. 2015-10-20T16:03:51Z brucem: gendl: You might find "Happy Eyes" interesting. 2015-10-20T16:04:33Z brucem: gendl: oh, Happy Eyeballs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Eyeballs 2015-10-20T16:06:12Z kini quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-10-20T16:10:30Z kini joined #ccl 2015-10-20T16:44:50Z Ettore quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-10-20T16:49:14Z ajf- quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I'm under the impression that I can take all of the libs in the qt-libs standalone directory and distribute them too, I'm trying to figure out how to make the deployed image look in the current directory when it goes to load the qt-libs lisp system (then the cffi calls will find the libs in the current directory) but its not wor 2015-10-30T17:22:21Z wuzzzz: i've tried adding the current directory to the path using ccl:getenv and setenv before calling make-qapplication, and i've tried pushing "." to cffi:*foreign-library-directories* but that also doesn't work 2015-10-30T17:25:17Z rme: Maybe try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH before starting up the image? 2015-10-30T17:25:36Z wuzzzz: rme: should have specified windows, 2015-10-30T17:25:43Z rme: oh 2015-10-30T17:27:42Z wuzzzz: i've tried changing the path in the image before invoking the functions that load qt 2015-10-30T17:29:32Z rme: My limited Windows experience from fiddling with rdnzl has been that Windows will find DLL files that are in the CCL directory. That is, in the same directory that contains wx86cl{64}.exe. But it sounds like you already tried that. 2015-10-30T17:30:12Z wuzzzz: how do you get the current directory that the image is running from? I've added "." to the path, but maybe I have to add the full path instead 2015-10-30T17:30:58Z rme: (ccl:current-directory) 2015-10-30T17:31:24Z jdz: gbyers: have you tried customising swank communication style? https://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Communication-style.html#Communication-style 2015-10-30T17:34:09Z rme: wuzzzz: (probe-file "ccl:") will tell you the ccl directory, which is where I found I had to put DLL files. 2015-10-30T17:34:51Z wuzzzz quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-10-30T17:35:39Z gbyers: Jdz: not in many years, and it didn' work right then. 2015-10-30T17:36:16Z jdz: right, as long as you're aware of the option. 2015-10-30T19:21:18Z Devon: gz: breakpoints, stepping, watch vars always in view 2015-10-30T19:55:38Z ogamita joined #ccl 2015-10-30T20:24:23Z gz: devon: ah, then no, as far as I know there isn’t a better way :-). 2015-10-30T20:25:14Z gz: LispWorks probably comes closest. 2015-10-30T21:12:05Z anthracite joined #ccl 2015-10-30T21:12:18Z anthracite quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-10-30T23:35:07Z akkad quit (Excess Flood) 2015-10-30T23:37:51Z akkad joined #ccl 2015-10-30T23:42:11Z Devon quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-10-31T01:17:42Z pjb` joined #ccl 2015-10-31T01:19:03Z pjb is now known as Guest93506 2015-10-31T01:19:14Z pjb` is now known as pjb 2015-10-31T01:21:47Z Guest93506 quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-10-31T03:11:48Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2015-10-31T03:15:50Z ekinmur quit (Client Quit) 2015-10-31T04:09:24Z leb joined #ccl 2015-10-31T04:31:35Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-10-31T05:10:17Z fu7mu4 joined #ccl 2015-10-31T05:19:40Z fu7mu4 quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-10-31T05:47:57Z krrrcks quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 2015-10-31T05:50:22Z rme joined #ccl 2015-10-31T05:57:25Z leb quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2015-10-31T06:10:53Z _leb joined #ccl 2015-10-31T06:40:31Z ogamita quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-10-31T06:49:21Z ogamita joined #ccl 2015-10-31T06:54:53Z _leb quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 2015-10-31T07:03:11Z jozip quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-10-31T07:03:36Z jozip joined #ccl 2015-10-31T07:53:11Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-10-31T07:53:11Z rme quit (Quit: rme) 2015-10-31T09:03:19Z hydan quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-10-31T11:43:34Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2015-10-31T11:44:05Z ekinmur quit (Client Quit) 2015-10-31T12:26:50Z ogamita quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-10-31T13:14:39Z rme joined #ccl 2015-10-31T13:15:50Z szillath joined #ccl 2015-10-31T13:26:43Z hydan joined #ccl 2015-10-31T15:20:06Z ekinmur joined #ccl 2015-10-31T15:38:41Z _leb joined #ccl 2015-10-31T15:46:26Z ekinmur quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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